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America. Good morning and welcome to the
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Mac and Jack Show. I'm Sonya.
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I'm joined here by Jack. Good morning, Jack.
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Hope you are doing great today on this bright Wednesday and of
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All of our shows in honor of Mac, our great producer and
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friend Jack. This was a shocker.
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Yesterday's news Major League Baseball Commissioner Rob
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Manfred announcing a significant policy change in Major League
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Baseball, stating that permanent ineligibility status for
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players, coaches and owners banned from the sport will be
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restored upon their death. Now what's so historic about
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this is this paves the way for iconic figures like Pete Rose
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and Shoeless Joe Jackson to finally get their their
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possibility of being entered into the Hall of Fame.
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Yeah, I would call it broken news, Sonia.
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It happened yesterday. So I wouldn't call it breaking
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news, broken news. It's broken news in more ways
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than one. And the Pig Rose saga, just when
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you think it's ending, oh, this is finally it.
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He's going to get in the Hall of Fame.
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We're not going to debate it anymore.
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Might just be beginning as you'd like to put it.
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Sonia, this is not a no brainer that he's going to get into the
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Hall of Fame, the different voting committees, the certain
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resentment towards him. He might not get the votes.
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Major League Baseball botched this up from the beginning.
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And do I have any sympathy for Pete Rose?
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None at all. But the man was a pathological
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liar. A pathological liar all these
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years. He completely lacked character
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and what Major League Baseball did by banning him from the Hall
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of Fame was wrong. They could have banned him from
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the sport itself, from playing the from participating as a
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manager, a hitting coach or whatever other position he might
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hold. That was fine.
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But the Hall of Fame had nothing to do with keeping them out
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because he bet on his team to win and maybe bet on some other
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games as well. That's wrong.
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I get all that. If they wanted to assist,
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suspend them. But meanwhile, to show how
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hypocritical Major League Baseball has been, they allow
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him to get inducted into the Cincinnati Red Hall of Fame.
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They allow that, but they don't allow him to get into the Hall
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of Fame. Dead Cooperstown Pig Rose
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tarnished virtually every Hall of Fame ceremony from the point
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that he was banned. And Johnny Bench said it best.
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His great teammate on the Cincinnati Reds.
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When Johnny Bench got ducked into the Hall of Fame, Johnny
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Bench said people would come up to me.
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The first thing they'd say was, John, congratulations.
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Right after that, they said, you think Pete Rose belongs in the
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Hall of Fame? Who gives a dawn?
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This is their big moment. No one should be distracted
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talking about Pete Rose. And I'm going to tell you, I
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don't, I'm not sure who the Hall of Fame class is going to be,
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You know, when Pete Rose is eligible that first year.
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So it's different years according to different
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committees. But if he is, if he gets in that
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year, I wouldn't want to get in the same year as him.
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And even if he doesn't get in, it's a distinct possibility he
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won't, at least in the beginning, he won't get the
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votes. All these Hall of Fame is going
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to hear this to talk about peak Rose, Peak Rose, peak Rose.
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Now, I know I'm being a little long winded now, but I heard
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when Pete Rose from a lot of people, when Pete Rose was
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alive, They're waiting to die. That's what Pete Rose said
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himself. That's when they'll probably put
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me in. I don't think that was the plan
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of Major League Baseball at all. There was one individual by the
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name of Donald Trump who made a big fuss out of it recently.
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And that's why Major League Baseball all of a sudden bent.
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And then and then not saying they're doing it for Pete Rose.
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They're making one rule for all deceased, you know.
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Show Jackson, of course, another person.
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He's been, he's been controversial, but believe me,
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every year that the Hall of Fame wasn't taking, that was taking
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place, the people getting inducted were not asked.
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Do you think Shoeless Joe Jackson belongs in the?
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Right. They're always asking about Pete
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Rose. Yeah, I wouldn't want somebody
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kind of raining on my parade either, Jack, by bringing him
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up. I mean, years of denying this
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gambling scandal since 1989 when when they basically banned him
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for life about the investigation revolving him and an attorney.
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They had John Dowd that basically he'd bet on baseball,
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including games that he played himself with his own team, Jack.
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And then he denied it for so long until during a private
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meeting in 2002 with the commissioner Bud Selig.
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And then publicly finally comes out in 2004 in an autobiography,
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My Prison Without Bars, where he basically cleared his conscious
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Jack. And so I don't know a lie that's
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been going on that long publicly and the audacity is my
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grandmother used to say the unmitigated gall of him to
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basically spit in the face of MLBI mean, I don't mean to speak
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I'll on the deceased, but it is how he lived Jack.
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Yeah, I don't know whether he had a conscience.
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To be clear, Sonia, I don't know.
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Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't.
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I don't know. I don't know, but Pete Rose was
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in denial, lying about this for so, so long.
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OK, he came clean after a while and even Rob Manfred, you know,
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check them out years before Donald Trump said what he had to
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say to see whether he would reconfigurate his life.
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Pete Rose had a terrible gambling addiction.
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You know, what with all sports, obviously.
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But it was more important for Pete Rose to continue his
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gambling habits, continue with the same lifestyle as it was to
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reconfigurate his life and try to get into the Hall of Fame.
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Look, in the in the beginning with botchi amati botch, she
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mighty offered Pete Rose a deal where he would get suspended for
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X amount of time, maybe being eligible like for seven years or
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whatever, but then could get back in all Pete Rose would have
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had to say in the beginning, look, I made a mistake, you
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know, I it's gambling is an addiction and so on.
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You, you can bet, but within limits.
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I couldn't keep it within limits, you know, and just show
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he was a little bit contrite and he would have been in long ago.
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He would have been in long ago. Keep in mind, Pig Rose was one
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of the most beloved figures for Major League Baseball.
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They followed this whole thing up.
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They had no business keeping them out of the Hall of Fame to
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begin with, to begin with. Meanwhile, they have his
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memorabilia in the Hall of Fame, but Pig Rose can't have a plaque
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in the Hall of Fame. But he could have this bats and
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other things in there where people could view, you know,
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anything with a Pete Rose being exhibited.
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It's it's hypocrisy. Like I said, they heard other
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players were getting in the Hall of Fame.
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They shouldn't have to deal with the Pete Rose denials, you know,
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and everything involved with it. And Pete, well, listen, Pete
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Rose turned out to be the big lose in this because he's never
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going to have this moment while he was alive.
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I mean, he's maybe look, he might look at it from up there
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and, you know, and view it sometime.
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Who knows? That's enough.
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You know, another issue in itself, you know, from a higher
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power, which I don't want to, you know, I shouldn't have maybe
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even brought up a Pete Rose is never going to enjoy this moment
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with his contemporaries being able to ever soak an adulation
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his family is pushing forth, you know, and they might be able to
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enjoy it. But So what is, you know, the
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Leo Derosa famous baseball figure.
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He got disgusted into the Hall of Fame after he passed away and
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he wanted to get in very badly. And he said, you know, if I
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don't get him while I'm alive, I don't ever want to be put in.
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But his family did show up and accept for him after, But that
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was different. Leo didn't do anything
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scandalous, you know, per SE. You know, I started just being
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Leo Derosa. Well, I mean, good morning to
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you, H Thank you for supporting us this morning.
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The one thing you know, there was other issues that Pete Rose
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had facing as well. We won't get into those outside
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of the gambling. But the the good thing about
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this Jack, I guess is like out of sight, out of mind.
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We don't really have to worry about his eligibility until
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2028, which would be the earliest that he would be
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considered to be able to be in the Halls Classic Baseball era
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committee meeting, which considers those players who may
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contributions before 1980. So in another three years, we'll
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perhaps be speaking about him now.
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No, no, Sonia. No, no, no.
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You're naive, Pierce. Sonia, you, you think you could
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take this and put it in a drawer and leave it, then get to it
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later? No.
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That. What do you think they're going
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to be talking about this summit Cooperstown for?
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The next year's. Roads.
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Peak roads. Now.
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And players and executives, etcetera, etcetera, who are
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going to be eligible to vote, reporters are going to be
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talking to them and they're going to find out.
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There's a very real possibility Pete Rose doesn't get the votes
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and we're going to hear the controversy, the peak Rose, you
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know, SAG sagas come back. It's come back and died down for
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a while. We've accepted it just wasn't
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in. That's that we finally got tired
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of talking about it after like, you know, decades.
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We finally got tired of talking about it.
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But he just. Passed away last year.
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Jack, I mean he just passed away last year and he still is a all
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time hits hit leader with 4256 hits.
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Like no one's come close to that yet.
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He deserves to get in. We're not arguing that point,
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Sonia. Anyone who does doesn't vote for
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Pete Rose based on his baseball performance shouldn't be voting.
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That's not the reason he wouldn't get the votes everyone
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would vote from on his baseball performance.
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Give me a break. The all time and he.
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Gets we just go ahead and listen.
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To career and not voting for him because there's still people
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don't vote for him is still going to hold it against him
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because he bet on baseball while he lied on baseball.
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Never mind those voting might have character issues
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themselves. And that's why we're like, he
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just passed away last year. And it's now all of a sudden,
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like you said, that the administration we have Trump
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mentioned it. It's got a lot of trajection
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behind that once his name got back out there.
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Like they're going to keep pushing this.
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And even though, you know the stats are the reason why he's
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going to get in, you and I may as well just accept, no matter
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what happened, no matter about the band, he's going to get in
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posthumously and that's going to be that.
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But let me tell what Rob Manfred did.
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It reminded me about what Mountain Landis did.
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The Commission of baseball in 1961, when it looked like Mickey
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Mantle and Roger Merits were taking aim at Beirut's home run
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record and it looked like they could break it in the 1961
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baseball season, they changed the rules.
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The schedule went from 154 to 162 games.
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So that was eight extra games. Mantle and Maris to get to play
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more than the Bay played. So he met with reporters to try
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to come to some type of solution because Mountain Landis was a
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major, you know, not Mountain Landis.
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The other Commission at the time, Mountain Landis, was the
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one that suspended Shoeless Joe Jackson.
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A Major League Baseball decided they put an asterisk next to all
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records, you know, that were broken because they're eight
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more games. But obviously they were focused
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on the home run record only. And Maris broke the home run
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record. He had an asterisk put next to
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it, which I thought the years was unfair.
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But on reflection, if you played eight extra games, that does
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count for something. And I know that different
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elements would travel with this or not with different eras.
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I mean, you got to look at it. This is, it's not just Pete Rose
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this there's seventeen other players, Jack, that are affected
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by this permanent ban that happened with baseball.
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I mean, these crimes range from auto theft to gambling to taking
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bets on the side, you name it, criminal indictments, all kind
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of stuff, mostly involving other gambling, but none to the level
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of Pete Rose. I mean, you know, the they had a
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the 1919 Chicago White Sox, it goes that far back known as the
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famous Black Sox who were banned for fixing the World Series with
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Eddie Ciate, Claude, Lefty Williams, Chick Ganley, Charles,
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Swede Rizberg, Buck Weaver, Shoeless Joe Jackson was part of
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that. That whole team banned for their
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connections to that betting plot.
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It goes all the way back. To that that movie was a good
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movie with that eight men out a good movie.
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You know, Shoeless Joe Jackson, his case is just as big as Pete
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Rose's. But because no one here live has
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seen Shoeless Joe Jackson play and he was approximately, you
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know, 1/2 century ahead of Pete Rose.
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Actually a little less, you know, all together.
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Tulis Joe Jackson in that World Series did hit 300 three 75.
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Statistically he played well, but we're not sure whether he
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had a role in that or not because even though his stats
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were good, those hits supposedly didn't come in big situations.
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You know, if your team is losing 5 nothing and you're coming up
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with two outs in the 8th inning and you hit a single, you're
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going to pad your batting average, but it's not in all
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probability going to be a meaningful hit that's going to,
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you know, have any influence on the game at all.
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So there's some suspicion of of Shoeless Joe Jackson in that
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regard. But there was a feeling by the
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commissioner Mount Landis that Joeless Joe Jackson knew about
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the gambling and he didn't say anything.
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He didn't say anything. He didn't report it.
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So you know he. Got to take it down with the
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group basically. You know, why didn't these guys
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go to court to try to fight it or whatever?
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I don't get it. The Commissioner had absolute
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authority at that time. Yeah, I mean, that's the early
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eons of baseball, kind of 1920 through 1944.
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And let's be clear, Jack, their commissioner, Mountain Landis
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was known for being extremely strict, you know, on anything
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that just smeared the image of what baseball looked like to
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attack the integrity of the game.
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And so it's it's, you know, we live in an era that we always
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see a lot of changes from everything, not just sports.
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And because of this, you know, let's try to forgive and move
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forward. This is the reason why we're
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trying to get these opportunities to bring these
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people into the to the Hall of Fame.
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And in my opinion, hearing that story about Joe Jackson, he just
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was caught up with the group. So you're absolutely right.
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You know, maybe he just didn't have the opportunity to fight
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it. He didn't have the resources or
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what have you. Or maybe there was no fight.
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It was like whatever Mountain Landis said goes.
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And that was the end of the story.
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Yeah, yeah, You know, So what? How do you feel?
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If I was doing this show here with Mac now, Mac would be
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saying I put him in already. I think Mac would have been
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tired of this whole and that would have been the right
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attitude because we would tired of it after a while.
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You know, it's been going on so long and just the idea it's not
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not just going to be in the news at the moment.
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You know, it's big news at the moment that it that it's
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newsworthy because you did get reinstated after like all these
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years. But now it's like the party's
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just beginning, you know, Reminded me a little too when
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the Yankee sign a rat. Derek Jeter wasn't too thrilled
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about it. You could tell.
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But he was press conferences that as the captain and when the
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press conference began a Rod's wife at the time said to Derek
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Jeter are the parties all over meaning all this talk and Derek
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Jeter not a party's just beginning knowing this is going
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to be in the news going forward with the next thing we're going
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to be in the. News about it's.
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Just like. Listen, Jack, there's nothing
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for this to be in the news about.
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This is my opinion. I'm going to play Max advocate.
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We're we're going to have this little hashtag Max advocate.
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What would Max say? I'm going to say as Max
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advocate, I put him in already. This is how I really feel
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anyway. Put him in.
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We've talked about it for over 30 years, 40 years.
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It's happened. It's done.
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OK? He's not going to enjoy it.
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He's not going to reap the benefits of what he would have
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reaped if he was here. Put his name in there.
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Everybody knows what happened. Let's move on.
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End of story. No, it's not that some of you,
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you want someone to get in based on merit or whatever.
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They can't just they can't just put them in.
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The voters have feelings on certain things.
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They've already been feeling for 40 years about how they felt
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about it. It's either no.
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No, no. They didn't have a chance to
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vote on them. Major League Baseball kept them
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out. Now he's eligible.
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Now Pete Rose has a chance to get in.
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He didn't have a chance. You're saying for the next three
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years they're going to keep talking about it until it's time
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to consider him being? Until he comes up for vote and
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then if Pete Rose gets in, they're going to try to tie it
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in. Well, if he had issues, what
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about Ron Lemons a rod? You know, I think this situation
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is different. Granted, this situation is
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different, but the morality issue the same way.
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You know, I I don't. Yeah.
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In all honesty, I would vote for all of them myself and not out
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of fatigue because they're great players.
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They're part of the history of the game and me at Major League
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Baseball should have dealt with it.
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You know, otherwise, look, I I would guess Sonia, I never asked
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you this question, but I would guess.
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I know you said the other day Freddie Freeman's your favorite
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play Was Hank Aaron your favorite all time player?
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Yes. Definitely.
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I mean, why there's no display here and?
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I'm a brave fan since I was a kid before I even moved to
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Georgia. Like North Carolina doesn't have
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a team. So I I grew up, you know, the
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Hank Aaron stories I would hear. Like yes.
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And we all knew Barry Bonds's issue.
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We all knew it when he was chasing Hank Aaron's record in
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the commissioner baseball with Bud Stealing, who was the owner
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of the Braves at one point, and a man who was very close with
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Henry Aaron, who revered Henry Aaron.
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Yet Hans was allowed to continue on and on and break the record.
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But meanwhile, he's being kept out of the Hall of Fame.
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Sometimes morality issues come up.
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Look, I, I tried to draw a comparison to OJ Simpson.
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If I were to vote on the Hall of Fame and he was up for, Oh my
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God, Hall of Fame. Now it could be argue he was
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acquitted. He was acquitted.
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He lost the civil case, but he was acquitted of the crime he
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was accused of. I mean, is it as horrendous as
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what went on? You know, the crime that was
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committed against those people by whoever committed it.
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OK, how's that right? Or whoever committed it?
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But but OJ Simpson, no matter what we might think of as
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overall character, you know, it, it's is it football related?
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Do we just focus on football? That's what it's supposed to be
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about. But baseball has a little rule
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about character this sportsmanship.
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And you have so many players that are so so look, if a player
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gets suspended, they're hitting another player with 100 mile
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power fastball, you know, in the head and they feel he absolutely
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did it on purpose. Isn't that every bit as bad or
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worse than P Rose betting on baseball?
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Think of it this. Is how I I am and I hate to be
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this person because I know they say there's right is right and
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wrong is wrong. No matter what the wrong is.
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It's equally wrong if you, if there is a person that's a
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victim or if there's an entity that's a victim, it's still
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wrong. With baseball, MLB, that's the
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entity that was supposedly harmed because of Pete Rose's
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actions. When you look at it from the OJ
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Simpson standpoint, or someone hitting someone with a fastball
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that's 100 mph and they deliberately did that, then you
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look at it like, OK, this is a person that suffered, you know,
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damage that they can't come back from or they may have suffered
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loss of life or whatever. And for me, Jack, when you bring
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that point in, it does make it really interesting because I'm
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like you just, this is just the legal part of me speaking
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because everybody knows, you know, if you're a doctor, a
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lawyer or whatever, sometimes no matter what you do, if you're
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suspended, you are suspended for life.
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There's no coming back. You could make that one decision
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criminally that would take your license for the rest of your
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life and no amount of good that you did after that would would
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go back to the board and they say, OK, we're reinstating your
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license. That's how you look at it with
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the OJ Simpson situation. You do not, this is my thing.
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You do not settle a civil case if you are completely cleared of
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the criminal case. That's just me.
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Why would you pay all this money for a civil?
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Wrong. No, you don't get found.
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You don't get found guilty. So yeah, everybody knows, you
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know, I'm in law school. You don't get found guilty.
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You can only get found guilty in a criminal case.
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Civil. You were found, I'm liable.
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There's a difference. So it's basically like whatever
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action, if he was supposed to have taken could have
24:52
contributed to their loss of life.
24:55
So in other words, he admits that something he did did
25:00
contribute to what happened criminally.
25:02
So that's why he paid the money civilly.
25:06
OK. If he was completely innocent,
25:09
Jack, criminally, you don't settle civilly with a you're not
25:12
liable. You can't be found liable.
25:15
So so that's. Different from you, OJ?
25:19
No, Yeah, I don't have no OJ. These are people's lives, and
25:25
I'm going to say no because you can't bring those people back.
25:28
Even though the MLB betting situation was extremely serious,
25:32
you could say people lost their money or what have you.
25:35
I mean, people's lives, they were still breathing.
25:38
That's my point. I guess there's a small
25:40
difference in some entities, but that's the way I look at it.
25:43
That's just my opinion. No, I hear you.
25:46
But right now the big news normally would be the NBA
25:50
playoffs. It's heating up.
25:51
But I felt with, you know, we felt that with Pete Rose,
25:56
Shoeless Joe Jackson getting reinstated after decades to
26:01
start off with the NBA, even though it's it really is on the
26:05
tip of people's minds more so than anything with the playoffs,
26:10
you know, it's something to talk about.
26:12
And we haven't heard of the last of the P Rose.
26:14
Then we'll be talking about it in future shows because it's
26:16
going to be on the news. New things are going to come up.
26:18
I mean, what such a pleasant last name to be so bitter with,
26:22
you know, Rose is such a nice name, you know?
26:25
But yeah, so the NBA playoffs, Jack, you talked about those
26:28
last night. The Indiana Pacers face the
26:30
Cleveland Cavaliers in game five of that series.
26:33
Pacers held on to the three. One league game concluded
26:37
114105. I mean, the Pacers paced
26:40
themselves the entire game. Of course, Tyrese Halliburton,
26:44
you know they call him Hallelujah, led the Pacers with
26:47
an impressive 31 points along with six rebounds, 8 assists,
26:51
while Pascal Seacom contributed 21 points, 8 rebounds.
26:54
Jack, I actually watched these two games last night.
26:57
This is the first time I've watched both games in their
27:00
entirety, so we could discuss this.
27:02
The Pacers demonstrated offensive efficiency 10 from 15
27:07
from the field, 6 from 10 from beyond the arc.
27:10
For Halliburton, this is the Pacers second consecutive year
27:15
that they are advancing to the Eastern Conference Finals, and
27:18
it's their first time since 2005 series against the Celtics that
27:22
they've won three Rd. games in single playoff series.
27:27
You know, I don't like saying this because Kenny Atkinson was
27:30
coach of the year and he did it. He's a really good, good coach.
27:33
But he got out coached by Rick Carlisle.
27:36
I mean, the Pacers ball movement with so much and with the
27:40
Cavaliers was basically rely on Donovan Mitchell and Donovan
27:44
Mitchell couldn't hit a shot it seemed for anything.
27:48
He was. Partially injured part of the
27:50
game. Yeah.
27:50
Yeah, I know. I understand that.
27:52
Listen, no blame on Donovan Mitchell here.
27:55
I'm just pointing it out. He he played outstanding in the
28:00
early games of these playoffs. And it's really hard to carry a
28:03
team. It didn't seem to be that much
28:06
energy, you know, in Cleveland's arena until late in the game
28:10
when they'd make a little bit of a run.
28:12
Jared Allen, one of my favorite players.
28:15
What haven't you forgot to rebound?
28:17
I mean, what went on? I mean.
28:20
Yeah, very disappointing. Cleveland, I don't want to hear.
28:25
Well, they could take a lot out of this year.
28:27
You know, they won 64 games. I never like to say if it went
28:32
for nothing, you win all those games, it counts for something.
28:36
But like we've said on past shows, teams got to take the
28:39
next step at certain points. It's understandable if you have
28:45
a powerhouse team in your conference and you just can't
28:48
quite get by them. It's understood.
28:51
It's still disappointing, but these are the Indiana Pacers.
28:55
You're the Cavaliers. You're expected to be the team
28:58
like that. I don't want to hear the paces
29:00
are better than we think that you are fine.
29:02
You're still the Cleveland Cavaliers, the team that won 60.
29:06
Four. It was #1.
29:07
Seed or exactly who? Losing all three games at home.
29:13
That was crazy. They had a good regular season.
29:17
Yeah. Indiana Pacers, yes.
29:20
And they had a 4425 lead in the second quarter that basically
29:26
despite doing that, they weren't even able to keep it up. 4425 is
29:31
a significant score deficit, so that they should have stayed in
29:34
that game for the duration. They were unable to keep that
29:37
momentum. It's almost like they ran out of
29:39
gas. Jack Donovan Mitchell could not
29:41
save that team. All by.
29:44
And in game one as well, I mean, they had the lead, they let it
29:49
get away. And you know, I think Cleveland
29:52
play really well in game three of the series to cut the pace to
29:55
lead to 2:00 to 1:00. And I thought to myself, wow,
29:58
here's Cleveland coming. They got it together.
30:01
They're going to win the next game, I think in Indianapolis,
30:04
then win game five and Cleveland maybe lose Game 6.
30:08
And Indiana and then win game seven at home.
30:11
They're going to find a way to win the series.
30:14
But but you know, it's that Indiana advances.
30:19
It's going to be a great opportunity for the Knicks here
30:23
if they can close out the Celtics, which now they'll
30:26
probably be able to do. You know what you hear in the
30:31
Celtic next series? It resumes tonight.
30:34
I would Jason Tatum out. The whole mindset changes.
30:37
I don't like when people say about a team that's down 31,
30:42
don't think of the big picture. Just think of one game at a
30:46
time. Now, that's not wrong a lot of
30:48
the time, but if Jason Tatum was healthy and the Celtics are down
30:54
31, they should be thinking in terms we got to win the next
30:59
three, we got to do three in a row.
31:01
You focus completely on one game and shut everything out.
31:06
If you don't feel you're a superior team, you try to get
31:10
back into it in little bits and pieces.
31:12
But now the Celtics in the position they got to focus on so
31:17
much on game five and Boston to eke out a victory.
31:22
And then you know, that makes it 32 because the Celtics probably
31:25
believe without Jason Tatum that they can win a game five in
31:30
Boston if you gave them a lie detector test.
31:33
They're all those players on the Boston Celtics.
31:36
Do they believe they they're going to win three in a row
31:40
against the next. Most of them are going to fail
31:42
that lie detector test. They're not going to believe
31:44
they're winning the next three without Jason Tatum.
31:47
They're liars if they say otherwise.
31:49
But for one game tonight, you give them a lie detector test
31:54
and ask them whether they think they're going to win the game.
31:57
I think the majority would pass it, that they would believe that
32:00
they're winning the game. And then you win game five.
32:03
Who knows what happens in Game 6.
32:06
If you somehow go back to New York and beat the Knicks without
32:10
pay them, then anything can happen in the Game 7.
32:14
I don't know, Jack. I just feel.
32:16
Excuse me, Jason Tatum was not playing Lights Out like we were
32:20
used to. Seeing.
32:22
When I talked about this, he did have that exceptional game and
32:26
he scored 42 points against the Knicks.
32:29
But I mean, I would go in there if I'm the Celtics and be like,
32:33
OK, he's not here. There's nothing we could do
32:35
about it. We have to mount up, as they
32:38
say, and literally pull all together and just get this done.
32:42
Like they can't say, oh, woe, it's me.
32:44
You know, this is our excuse. We're going to fold up like lawn
32:47
chairs. These are the defending world
32:49
champs, Jack. They're not going to just.
32:52
They're not the defending world champions.
32:54
Not no with I would Jason Tatum out of the lineup.
32:58
They don't have a championship pedigree.
33:01
Jaylen Brown is not going to carry that team.
33:05
Yeah, maybe for one game. Maybe for one game.
33:08
He can be sensational. He's not.
33:11
Carrying them for three games, Yeah, Tonight they can win the
33:14
Celtics. Tonight, it's well they have.
33:19
It's a 5050 proposition going back to Boston with this game.
33:25
You know, for those who are going to say if the Knicks win
33:28
this series, which they probably will do at this point, I don't
33:32
want to hear, well, if Jason Tatum didn't get hurt, the
33:36
Knicks wouldn't have won it. Keep this in mind in game four
33:40
with the Knicks up to one in the series, Jason Tatum went out
33:44
with the injury with three O 6 left in the final period with
33:49
the Knicks up 7 points. We don't know for sure who would
33:54
have won game four had Jason Tatum not gotten injured, but
33:58
the Knicks did have a 7 point lead with the three O 6 to play.
34:03
So it's not unfair to say the Knicks would have had at least a
34:07
5050 chance of winning Game Four with a healthy Jason Tatum.
34:14
Well, I mean, you know, we always say we have no idea how
34:18
that would have turned out because we just have no idea.
34:23
But we know that they have to show up and show out or they're
34:26
done just like the Cavs. Let's talk about some other some
34:30
tight games here because Jack and I were going to wrap up a
34:33
little early today. We've got some other obligations
34:35
to take care of to get you guys in the know of the Sports News
34:38
and, you know, secure some interviews we got coming up here
34:41
on some other shows. Nicola Jokic, I mean stunning
34:46
performance. Jack, I mean he went off.
34:49
I'll talk about 44 point plus. I mean, he had like back-to-back
34:55
points. He had 27 points, 13 rebounds in
34:58
the very beginning, consistent ability.
35:01
He maintained impressive averages.
35:03
I mean, even, you know, when he was out there.
35:06
He's been, of course, previous MVP recognition, three time MVP,
35:10
two time MVP, whatever. But then SGA performance for the
35:15
Thunder, despite the team's loss in Game 5, continues to elevate
35:19
his status among the NBA's elite.
35:22
You heard OKC Channing MVP for him as well.
35:25
But last night, Jack, I mean, that game was explosive.
35:29
Of course, the series was tied to two at the beginning of the
35:32
series. And of course, now you know,
35:35
this is this thing is going to go down to seven games, Jack.
35:38
Are you at the well, Game 6 is in Denver.
35:41
The Denver isn't be favored to win Game 6.
35:44
But I'll tell you, you know, Jay Train made a good point on this
35:49
show about, OK, CSGA doesn't have that second big star
35:55
playing with him. So in a way, it shows you how
35:58
well balanced OKC is and how underrated, you know, SGA is.
36:03
I mean, he's the quietest superstar maybe in all the
36:06
sports. He is.
36:09
But you know, Djokic can only. I mean, he tried to carry Denver
36:13
last night. He played a phenomenal game and
36:18
Denver just came up short. I mean, it's, but it, it's a
36:22
terrific series going on and you do get the feeling Denver is
36:26
going to bounce back in game six and then we're going to get a
36:28
great, great Game 7. Yeah.
36:32
And so we're looking at that now as we get ready to wrap up here
36:35
a little bit. The Warriors and Timberwolves,
36:37
Jack, I mean, Steph Curry's been out for a greater part of this
36:40
theories already. Another make or break situation.
36:45
I don't know if the Warriors are going to be able to sustain and
36:48
pull this one out. I think Golden State is
36:52
basically cooked without that Curry.
36:55
They're not they're not coming back three one.
36:57
And Jimmy Butler is not all of a sudden going to carry them.
37:00
And, and I think Minnesota, did, you know, they were so close
37:07
last year, you wondered whether was the time to finally, you
37:10
know, get to the Finals. But I kind of like, I kind of
37:14
like Minnesota to close things out tonight and then and then,
37:20
and then what? Minnesota would go on, you know,
37:22
to play the OKC Denver winner. And yeah, I wouldn't sell
37:26
Minnesota's chances short. You know, we're going to the
37:29
Finals. Wouldn't that be ironic if we
37:31
had a Finals? Who would have thought?
37:33
The Indiana Pacers against the Minnesota Timberwolves.
37:38
I mean, who would have? Who would have thought that, you
37:40
know? And if they didn't even.
37:41
Play up to a while ago, Indiana Pacers against anyone.
37:45
You know, if I'm the Knicks, what an opportunity they could
37:49
have. To win in.
37:50
The championship they should beat the Celtics.
37:52
Now the Knicks. Indiana Pacers are very beatable
37:56
and if they beat the Pacers, they could be playing the
37:59
Timberwolves in the finals. Wouldn't that be something?
38:03
Julius Randle against the Knicks.
38:08
That would be beautiful. For some reason, guys, let me
38:10
just say none of our comments were coming in until now.
38:14
So good morning to Miss Linda. Good morning, Monkey.
38:16
Good morning, Beastrilla. Everybody but Miss Linda, but
38:23
miss. Let me tell you though, Jack,
38:25
while you're while you're sounding as usual over talking
38:31
everybody, Miss Linda says that Matt would agree with me and to
38:36
move on about the Pete Rose thing.
38:37
And she's also, you know, here, of course, supporting us.
38:40
Miss Linda, we're good to see you.
38:41
But yeah, Jack, this is going to be an ugly matchup.
38:44
I'm not happy. I, I do say, even though I don't
38:47
have a obviously a dog in the fight anymore, I hope the Knicks
38:50
win it all. At this point, if the Celtics
38:52
get eliminated and the Warriors get eliminated, I mean, though I
38:55
have players on both teams that I'm interested in, it's going to
38:58
be, do you think they're going to try to push Steph into
39:01
playing, you think? No, no Steph on the left.
39:04
Steph carries the most power in that organization.
39:09
No one would dare put an iota pressure on Steph.
39:13
No one would tell. Not at all.
39:16
They'll wait for Steph to come to them.
39:18
The team doctors will be working with them.
39:20
They'll ask him how he could feel, you know, whether he can
39:25
go and not. Steph already said.
39:27
He's not getting pushed back into playing.
39:29
He he and Steph is smart. He knows your career.
39:33
He's not going to get the push back.
39:35
It's just the fact that. It's just the fact that
39:39
basically we are looking at a situation that Steph has to
39:46
like. He has to be the savior of this
39:48
team. Sit down 31 Sonia.
39:51
If it was a Game 7 and Steph was 5050, he could go either way.
39:57
Maybe he takes a chance, Maybe, but he's not with the team.
40:02
Down three one I listen to most famous.
40:06
Incident in history of a player trying to come back from an
40:09
injury and actually playing a little bit with Willis Reed in
40:13
game 7/19/70 against the Lakers game seven of the finals.
40:18
But the reason he came back and and got on the court and hobbled
40:23
was because it was the final ultimate game to decide the
40:27
championship. If it was an early any earlier
40:30
game in the playoffs, Willis Reed wouldn't have seen the
40:33
court and that might be the case with Steph.
40:36
Steph will make that decision. Don't even question someone of
40:39
his character. No one has high character,
40:42
that's just. Do they?
40:44
It's not that we just, number one, we know Steph wants to
40:47
play. It's not like, you know, he's
40:49
doesn't want to play you. Like you said, he carries that
40:51
team #2 we know because of the caliber of player that he is
40:55
that the organization is not going to, you know, pressure
40:58
him. I'm just saying, do you think
41:00
that they take a risk, you know, give him a couple quarters on
41:02
shots or whatever, bandage them up or whatever they have to do
41:06
and, you know, put them out here?
41:08
Steph will make that decision 100%.
41:12
I obviously he would consult with the doctors and they, yeah,
41:18
if the doctors thought he was being put at additional risk,
41:21
they'll have that discussion. I think Golden State isn't going
41:24
to push it with Steph. He's too valued.
41:26
Believe it. If it means they're exiting the
41:28
series, hit down 31, they're not coming back.
41:30
I hate to say it, you know, I hate to say it.
41:33
You're not going to have Golden State, you know, when the next
41:37
three against Minnesota and then play the Denver OKC when I mean,
41:41
they're through, you know? I hate to say it, you know, but
41:45
they're basically through. Oh my gosh.
41:47
That's so sad. Well.
41:48
I think they lose. I think they're losing tonight,
41:51
you know? But listen, you know, maybe they
41:54
when they extend the series, who knows, but Anthony Edwards?
41:58
It's delaying the inevitable. Rudy Colbert, you know they're
42:01
not letting this get away. Yeah, because all they got to
42:03
do, Jack, even if they win tonight, is delaying the
42:06
inevitable because all the Knicks need to do is win one
42:09
more game. Well, yeah, you mean the
42:12
Timberwolves? One more game.
42:13
Excuse me? Yeah, Timberwolves, one more
42:15
game. Right, right.
42:16
I mean, listen the extended series.
42:18
Listen, anything can happen. Anything can happen.
42:22
Anthony Edwards could go down with an injury.
42:25
You know, any key player and you look in the equation changes.
42:30
I mean, like we were saying a moment ago, we're about to run
42:33
out of time here. Jason Tatum, if he wasn't
42:37
injured, the Celtics would be very alive, down 31, very alive
42:43
to win the next three games. But with Jason Tatum out the
42:47
Celtics, you know, if not through, yeah, like halfway
42:52
there to being, you know, into oblivion at least.
42:55
Yep, halfway there and you know. More than halfway.
42:59
More than halfway reporters. There.
43:01
Yeah, Yes, yes, yes. But you mentioned a term earlier
43:05
that it's going to be more than likely they are through.
43:08
And Speaking of through, Jack and I are through for today.
43:12
We do realize there was a technical issue that I just got
43:15
brought to my attention with the network on Roku.
43:18
So we will re air this show this afternoon.
43:21
For those of you who are on the Roku network, we apologize for
43:23
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43:27
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