Latest / Beyond Labels Premium / LIVE September Community Hour Replay (Drought, Convincing Others, Sunlight In the Shade and MORE)

Transcript

LIVE September Community Hour Replay (Drought, Convincing Others, Sunlight In the Shade and MORE) · Beyond Labels Premium

0:00
SPEAKER_03: Welcome everybody to the September Beyond Labels live stream.
0:04
SPEAKER_03: Today we have a couple of announcements before we move forward.
0:07
SPEAKER_03: First thing is gonna be kind of an update on our chapter leader progress, chapters, uh local Beyond Labels chapters that you may be able to join, become a part of, slash lead if you're interested in your particular locale.
0:21
SPEAKER_03: Um so I just wanted to give everybody an update on that.
0:23
SPEAKER_03: So what we're doing right now is gathering who wants to be a leader first, because you know you can't have groups without a leader.
0:30
SPEAKER_03: So uh we have a handful of people, I think probably right around six, seven, eight or so people um who are interested in being leaders.
0:38
SPEAKER_03: And which uh first off, if you're listening to this, thank you so much for your interest in being a leader.
0:43
SPEAKER_03: And uh we're excited to kind of uh begin funneling people to you once we uh get everything solidified.
0:49
SPEAKER_03: So how it's gonna work is we're gonna come up with a system where um folks will be able to basically sign up via just a form for your particular location.
1:01
SPEAKER_03: So let's say let's say in theory it was my location, Central Virginia, there'd be a Central Virginia chapter, beyond labels chapter form.
1:08
SPEAKER_03: You just input your information if you're interested in attending.
1:11
SPEAKER_03: That would get funneled to the chapter leader via email, and then they would reach out to you to talk about what timing looks like, what location looks like.
1:21
SPEAKER_03: Um from there, we're pretty much hands-off after that point.
1:25
SPEAKER_03: Um we'll still provide, obviously, your community questions every week, the podcast every week to discuss, but uh from there uh is the chapter leader's responsibility to kind of begin leading.
1:34
SPEAKER_03: And you can always reach out to us, um, Joel C and myself, um, for any resources that you may need in doing so.
1:40
SPEAKER_03: So um again, we'll be doing a form that'll get funneled to the chapter leaders, and um I will be reaching out individually to chapter leaders to kind of um figure out where their location is, what info they need from all of you lovely folks, and then uh we will go from there.
1:56
SPEAKER_03: So um we've had chapter leaders on Discord share their interests.
2:00
SPEAKER_03: Um what would be really nice is along I'll be collecting information there, but primarily I would love to collect your um if you want to send our contact beyond labels at gmail.com uh email and let us know if you want to be a chapter leader.
2:16
SPEAKER_03: I already have a few of you on there, so if you already sent a direct email there, then you're good.
2:19
SPEAKER_03: I'll reach out to you.
2:21
SPEAKER_03: But um otherwise, uh, if you haven't reached out and wanting to be a leader, then uh go ahead and reach out there.
2:27
SPEAKER_03: So that'll be rolling out in the next, I would say, week.
2:31
SPEAKER_03: I should have that all pretty much done.
2:32
SPEAKER_03: And then we'll send an email out to all of our Beyond Labels listeners, and then we will go from there.
2:38
SPEAKER_03: All right.
2:39
SPEAKER_03: So uh we're gonna dive into some questions.
2:41
SPEAKER_03: We're gonna actually prioritize, obviously, you folks who are here in person.
2:46
SPEAKER_03: So let's go over.
2:47
SPEAKER_03: Ethan had his hand up for a little while.
2:48
SPEAKER_03: So, Ethan, if you want to kick us off, let's uh let's do it.
2:56
SPEAKER_02: Hey, um, this one's for Joel.
3:00
SPEAKER_02: Um, I'd love to ask Tina some questions because I always end up asking Joe questions, but I'm healthy enough to where I just want practical advice for my farm.
3:07
SPEAKER_02: So that's where we're at.
3:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, I hate to ask this question again um since you've gone over it several times, Joel.
3:14
SPEAKER_02: But what was the rule again as far as I know like the diameter of a tree, um, and then how far out are you supposed to clear around it?
3:24
SPEAKER_02: Because I've got some wooded area that I wanted to clear and use for fence posts.
3:28
SPEAKER_02: And another related thing was that my dad was saying that he had always cut his locust posts down and let them sit for a year before using them as fence posts, and I was wondering what you thought about that.
3:41
SPEAKER_00: All right.
3:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so the rule, yeah, so so this is for those of us, for those of uh that are all listening and not into this uh uh degree of min meticulous minutiae.
3:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh the idea here is that when you're thinning a a woodlot, uh when trees grow, they grow too thick.
4:03
SPEAKER_00: They um and so they respond very well to thinning, just like weeding a green bean patch.
4:12
SPEAKER_00: And so the rule of thumb is the diameter of the tree converted to feet and then doubled.
4:22
SPEAKER_00: So if you have a six-inch tree, six times two is twelve, and that would be twelve feet out from a from a six-inch tree.
4:34
SPEAKER_00: The reason for that is so that you don't shock the trees that stay, the keeper trees, you don't shock the keeper trees with too much sunlight and stimulate epicormic sprouting, you know, where they get fuzzy and get suckers all over them.
4:50
SPEAKER_00: Now, as far as the uh locust posts, uh generally you want to cut them when the sap is down, so the leaves are off, the sap is down.
4:59
SPEAKER_00: And then, yes, letting them sit for a year is uh absolutely you know, a general folk understanding of um you know elongating their time in the ground and you know so that they truly truly dry out.
5:17
SPEAKER_00: Um I think more important is that they not have the bark on them when you set them in the ground.
5:27
SPEAKER_00: Now, obviously, if you let them sit for a year, the bark just falls off.
5:31
SPEAKER_00: That's one of the beauties of letting them sit for a year.
5:33
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure if letting them sit for a year is um is in order to make them last longer or an easy way to get the bark off versus using a you know a hatchet or an axe or something to get the bark off.
5:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh so um so yes, letting them sit for a year is a real e it's a it's an easy man's way of getting all the bark off so that you know when you set them, uh they won't have that that uh that bark to rot around them and keep oxygen, make oxygen be able to get down into the uh where you've where you've put them in the ground.
6:10
SPEAKER_02: All right, thanks.
6:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh, one if I could just ask one more question, because I know you've got a bunch of rock on your farm.
6:18
SPEAKER_02: Like what do you do if you can't get like two foot deep?
6:21
SPEAKER_02: Because I've got old strip mine ground and it gets hard after about a foot.
6:27
SPEAKER_00: Uh is it is it just hard or is it actual rock?
6:32
SPEAKER_02: Uh I mean it's actual rocks.
6:35
SPEAKER_02: I mean it's it's kind of that shelly stuff though, you know?
6:38
SPEAKER_02: So I mean it's not impenetrable necessarily, but I'm worried about tearing up an auger.
6:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:49
SPEAKER_00: Uh where are you?
6:52
SPEAKER_00: West Virginia?
6:54
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm in Kentucky.
6:55
SPEAKER_02: Oh, Kentucky.
6:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a it's strip mined like a lot where I live.
7:01
SPEAKER_02: And so like I have some of that ground, but it's got like a foot of topsoil on it, so it's only gonna be in a few spots because most of the borders didn't get strip mined.
7:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, if you can um uh I I I guess what I would do in a case like that is on shale, and we have we have shale here a lot and very thin soil.
7:22
SPEAKER_00: Um what I would what I tend to do is just, you know, if if you're putting your posts X feet apart, just don't be rigid on how far apart you put them and move it, you know, two or three feet.
7:38
SPEAKER_00: And lots of times you can get off of that ledge and and get onto some deeper soil just literally moving it two or three feet.
7:47
SPEAKER_00: So that would be that would be my encouragement.
7:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean the other the other thing that that people do, of course, is you know, uh put concrete around them.
7:59
SPEAKER_00: But generally, if you're if it's not that many, you know, if it's if it's only whatever, you know, uh 20% of your of your holes are gonna have this problem, uh just move it a few feet.
8:15
SPEAKER_02: Sounds good, thank you.
8:17
SPEAKER_00: You're welcome.
8:19
SPEAKER_03: Alrighty, perfect.
8:20
SPEAKER_03: Um, we'll hop over to Katherine in a second.
8:22
SPEAKER_03: I just want to someone uh Chris asked via email.
8:26
SPEAKER_03: This is uh just gonna be a quick one.
8:28
SPEAKER_03: Is uh RGBH the same as RBST?
8:36
SPEAKER_03: Cena, do you want to take it?
8:38
SPEAKER_08: Sure.
8:38
SPEAKER_08: Yes, they're the same thing.
8:41
unknown: Perfect.
8:41
SPEAKER_08: I knew that we're gonna be as quick as possible.
8:44
SPEAKER_08: Yes, yes.
8:44
SPEAKER_08: So RBGH stands for recombinant bovine growth hormone, and it's sometimes used interchangeably with RBST, which is recombinant bovine somatotropin.
8:54
SPEAKER_08: But in our context, they're the same thing.
8:57
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
8:58
SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
8:59
SPEAKER_03: Catherine, you want to go and ask your question?
9:01
SPEAKER_07: Hi, how are you doing?
9:02
SPEAKER_07: Thanks for doing this again, you guys.
9:05
SPEAKER_07: Um I have um a follow-up with Joel from earlier in the season, and which leads to my question.
9:12
SPEAKER_07: Um, so we put in just we're on a small homestead.
9:15
SPEAKER_07: We have two milk cows and their calves.
9:18
SPEAKER_07: And this was the first year that we moved them every day on small sections, and it was really fun.
9:25
SPEAKER_07: And I learned my land a lot.
9:27
SPEAKER_07: Normally we would do paddocks and move them every two weeks or so, but we were watching our soil, we were watching things start to come in we didn't like, and really nothing was getting better.
9:38
SPEAKER_07: So um, but when we did this daily move thing, um it's a drought year.
9:44
SPEAKER_07: Again, it's always.
9:46
SPEAKER_07: I'm in uh the Palouse in northern Idaho.
9:49
SPEAKER_07: You actually came here not too long ago, Joel, and um in Moscow is the big town here.
9:55
SPEAKER_07: And um we were never able to put the cows back because we don't have irrigation yet, we don't have a pond yet.
10:03
SPEAKER_07: Um, and so I guess I just wanted to kind of I know you had told us in Moscow, you said, I didn't see any ponds out here.
10:12
SPEAKER_07: Like nobody really has ponds or irrigates off of them if they do have them.
10:16
SPEAKER_07: So I kind of know the answer that you would say, like you got to get a pond in and irrigate it.
10:21
SPEAKER_07: Um, but I also just what sort of wanted to follow up on that.
10:25
SPEAKER_07: Like, we were never able to put the cows back because the grass just didn't regrow in the current situation we could offer it.
10:33
SPEAKER_07: Um so the podcast that you guys did, all of this was sort of coming to a head with our grazing when you guys did the podcast on the one cow revolution.
10:41
SPEAKER_07: And it was really encouraging because I don't like keeping my cows in like back there by hay.
10:48
SPEAKER_07: And we were running out of hay at the time for the year and stuff.
10:51
SPEAKER_07: And it was, I felt really demoralized.
10:54
SPEAKER_07: Like it failed, it didn't work.
10:56
SPEAKER_07: My cows are on hay when everyone else is still doing this kind of open overgrazing method out here, you know, they just leave them in a section and just somehow they survive even though the grass isn't regrowing.
11:09
SPEAKER_07: But we put ours on hay and pull them off the pastures.
11:12
SPEAKER_07: So that podcast was really helpful because I just had to be like just feed them hay, just like they do in Italy or wherever it was, and um just be grateful.
11:22
SPEAKER_07: Um so and if you have any comments on that kind of situation for this, I mean, it's a drought every year.
11:29
SPEAKER_07: I mean, it's just how the West is.
11:30
SPEAKER_07: And um people are people are pretty like we just had our hay delivered for the year.
11:35
SPEAKER_07: And you know, it's he's a regular chemical guy.
11:39
SPEAKER_07: Um, people just don't believe that irrigation would work.
11:42
SPEAKER_07: They don't believe in regenerative grazing, they don't, they just don't think it can work out here because of how dry it gets.
11:51
SPEAKER_07: Um, which leads to my question, which I'll just get out of my mouth now, is that because the cows were stuck back here for so long, I've got a huge pile of manure.
12:03
SPEAKER_07: And uh we normally rent a skidster before the winter and kind of deal with everything.
12:07
SPEAKER_07: And we've been composting it, but we haven't been able to compost it really well without letting it really leach away.
12:13
SPEAKER_07: So we thought maybe this is what the old timers did, right?
12:16
SPEAKER_07: They took their manure and they spread it on the field.
12:19
SPEAKER_07: So, but it's not composted at all.
12:22
SPEAKER_07: It's just really straw and manure.
12:24
SPEAKER_07: Is that okay to just put that down in a pasture?
12:28
SPEAKER_07: And that so that's the drought kind of led to excess manure pile up, and we're wondering maybe we could just build the organic matter this way.
12:36
SPEAKER_07: And even if we can't get irrigation or a pond in next year, which we might not be able to, maybe that would help if we started to do it that way.
12:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, there's a there's a lot to unpack there.
12:49
SPEAKER_00: I I guess my my uh a couple things.
12:53
SPEAKER_00: One is the neighbors, when you see them out there, you know, overgrazing, those aren't milk cows.
12:59
SPEAKER_00: Those are those are beef cows.
13:01
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
13:01
SPEAKER_07: Sometimes there'll be a jersey in there, whatnot, but yeah.
13:06
SPEAKER_00: Um so there's a big difference between a beef cow and a dairy cow.
13:09
SPEAKER_00: Dairy cow puts her fat in a bucket, beef cow puts her fat on her back, and a beef cow can actually lose weight for uh four weeks, and then when there's grass, make compensatory gain.
13:21
SPEAKER_00: So, but but a cow, a cow can't make compensatory gain.
13:25
SPEAKER_00: If if she lacks if she lacks feed for a couple days, you you can't give her really good feed and then and then have her double her milk production.
13:33
SPEAKER_00: It ain't gonna happen.
13:35
SPEAKER_00: So dairy and beef are are um are are different in their their fragility to the system.
13:44
SPEAKER_00: Um well, I mean water water works.
13:54
SPEAKER_00: And so anybody that thinks that irrigation won't work there is uh nuts.
13:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh you you you dump water, you dump water on a dry field in the summer and it will grow.
14:07
SPEAKER_00: Uh realize also you're on the front end of this.
14:10
SPEAKER_00: If you haven't been doing um, you know, good controlled grazing.
14:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm glad that you're I'm glad that you're still excited about it, even though you're not seeing huge benefits.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: Remember that the biological time clock runs on its own on its own uh schedule.
14:28
SPEAKER_00: And if it hasn't been managed extremely well for a long time, it takes a while for good management to actually show up.
14:38
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, you can't you it's not like you're replacing a ball bearing or something in something that's that that is is a bad part.
14:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh this is not mechanical stuff.
14:49
SPEAKER_00: Now, as far as the uh manure is concerned, uh I would encourage you to obviously are you cleaning it out routinely?
15:01
SPEAKER_00: Are do are you aware of the deep bedding concept?
15:05
SPEAKER_07: Yes, I'm aware of it.
15:07
SPEAKER_07: Our our setup is it's at the we have a lean two off the back of our shop, and the hay feeder is right there on the back side, and then the lean two goes, you know, away from where you walk out the door.
15:18
SPEAKER_07: So that's where the cows sleep and all that.
15:20
SPEAKER_07: So I'm just sort of moving it back at this point.
15:23
SPEAKER_07: So because I literally open the door and have to step out there, I can't deep bed it.
15:29
SPEAKER_07: I really want to.
15:30
SPEAKER_07: We've tried, it's just it's just not a big enough area and it doesn't have you know sides like to contain deep bedding.
15:38
SPEAKER_07: And so we're we're right in that spot of like, how do we want to go forward?
15:43
SPEAKER_07: Um, I I I'm not really, I'm not able like their loafing area that we have.
15:48
SPEAKER_07: We have a spot that they're supposed to sleep in.
15:50
SPEAKER_07: I could deep bed that, but it's only 30% of the space.
15:55
SPEAKER_07: The rest of it is mostly where they're standing to eat because it's not a very big spot.
16:00
SPEAKER_07: So um, yeah, it's just kind of crowded.
16:04
SPEAKER_00: Does does your door, does your door open into the cows or out of the cows?
16:09
SPEAKER_00: It slides open.
16:11
SPEAKER_07: It's a barn door.
16:13
SPEAKER_07: So I walk to the back of a shop and I slide a door open and then they're right there.
16:18
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: All right.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: Can you can you um can you put garner boards on the inside?
16:24
SPEAKER_00: Just some sort of very simple.
16:27
SPEAKER_00: So garner boards are what were used in granaries where you would um uh they would you can make a uh just with a two by four and a spacer, you can go to the inside of whatever posts are holding your door, the door frame, and you can go on the inside there, uh the inside of there with um uh with a spaced two by four that can let you slide one in how how wide is the sliding door?
17:05
SPEAKER_07: Oh, I mean, from arm to arm for me.
17:08
SPEAKER_07: I mean, you know, five feet, but the cows have to walk through it because they come through that door into the barn to get milked.
17:14
SPEAKER_07: So I I can't just like hold them back.
17:17
SPEAKER_00: I mean it's that that's the only door?
17:20
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, that's the that's the door that brings them in and then out.
17:25
SPEAKER_07: They come in, then they go out.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: Can you make another another opening?
17:30
SPEAKER_07: I I would like to.
17:31
SPEAKER_07: I'd like them to be able to walk in and then walk out of the barn, but as of right now, they have to come in and turn around after milking and walk back out the same way.
17:39
SPEAKER_07: But well I don't then you're starting to get into asking my husband to do stuff that's our big projects, and I have to just sort of be, you know, realistic of how can I make it work, you know.
17:51
SPEAKER_00: Well well, I I'm I'm just I'm just suggesting that a different entrance, a different entrance to be able to go to deep betting would be one of the best investments you ever make.
18:02
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: Just just make make make a just open a the with no door.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: Okay, with no door so that this will and and then you could you could literally you know place a uh a couple of uh pallets or something, just scrap in front of that other door just to you know so it doesn't so the bedding doesn't hit up against it, yeah.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: And and um I'm I'm answering it as deep bedding because I think that the bottom line is can you spread what you've got right now and will it be helpful?
18:41
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
18:42
SPEAKER_00: However, if you if you do the deep bedding and uh and hold all that inside, I mean you're in a dry area, so so keeping that all that urine and everything inside and tying it down inside, you're you're losing probably most of your nitrogen to atmospheric vaporization because of the dryness.
19:09
SPEAKER_07: If I would put it out on pasture as it is, yeah, yeah.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: Or and and if you if you muck it, if you just put it on a pile outside, you're losing the nitrogen.
19:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the sun's hitting it, it's it's evaporating, you you're losing it.
19:23
SPEAKER_00: So by by having it inside in the shade, knock shade, knocking the sun off of it, you get the benefits of the deep bedding, which one of the huge benefits is that you're not allowing the nitrogen to to evaporate.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: And um and and that will also that will also give you uh an authenticity about the amount of carbon you're using.
19:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh, it could be that you are um that you are cheating the carbon because by routinely cleaning out and putting out on a pile uh you are you are you're using a lot less of a sponge than you ought to use, which then affects whether or not it will actually compost.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: Compost, you got to have the right carbon, nitrogen, water, air, and microbes.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: And those all have to be balanced correctly.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: And it's a lot easier to balance them in an indoor deep bedding concept than it is to try to clean that out and have a uh um clean it out, and especially in Idaho to um where it's so dry to maintain the moisture content right on the pile as you pile it outside.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: So I'm a big believer in accumulating it inside, and uh and if you just create an opening, I I don't know if your sides are wood or metal or what, but if you metal, metal.
21:02
SPEAKER_07: So it's a project to cut cut into the side of the shop, then you know.
21:06
SPEAKER_00: But I mean it could be done, it just it's well the the the shop I mean come come from a different direction, come from someplace else.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: Don't don't don't don't go in from the shop, come in from the back side or the other side, some some other side.
21:26
SPEAKER_07: Okay.
21:27
SPEAKER_07: I think I need to have someone come out here and just evaluate tell me what to do to move this in the right direction, because it's everything feels like crowded and you know.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: Well maybe maybe maybe you need to um uh maybe you just need to put a put an awning on one side, you know, uh with no sides at all.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: And um and and just put an awning on the on the leeward side where the wind can be protective.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh the you know, you you you get some wind protection and And something that's um sideless or or a glorified run-in or something, maybe you know, two sides and a wall, and you just have the outside open, you know, that they can come in.
22:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh an awning, I mean if you only got two cows, this isn't a I'm I'm I don't want to uh demean your demeanor your husband workhorse there, but uh um uh you know, a a simple awning that's you know, whatever, 12 feet by I don't know, 10 feet, 20 feet or something.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's that's just with with poles and simple that that's a that's not a huge project.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: And and if that the the thing is that will get your your your bedding in the shade, it'll protect your nitrogen, it'll it'll help you to monitor your moisture better.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: You won't you won't be cheating the moisture by putting it outside and having it evaporate.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh and and so everything everything just becomes easier when it's actually uh you know a carbonaceous diaper.
23:04
SPEAKER_07: Okay.
23:05
SPEAKER_07: But for the pile I have right now and the skitster that's coming in a couple weeks, putting it out there isn't it's not gonna be like the cow's like, I'm not eating that grass next year because there was uncomposted manure spread all over.
23:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh probably not because you've probably lost most of your nitrogen and it's the nitrogen that's repugnant.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: So basically, basically you're putting on organic matter.
23:29
SPEAKER_07: Okay, we'll give it a try.
23:30
SPEAKER_07: I mean, it can't hurt.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no, it won't hurt.
23:33
SPEAKER_07: Okay, all right.
23:34
SPEAKER_07: Okay, thank you.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: Yes, indeed.
23:37
SPEAKER_03: All right, awesome.
23:38
SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Catherine.
23:39
SPEAKER_03: Um, we're gonna hop over to Haley.
23:41
SPEAKER_03: She had her hand up.
23:42
SPEAKER_03: Uh, go ahead and uh ask your question, Haley.
23:45
SPEAKER_05: So I'm Haley's husband, Andrew.
23:46
SPEAKER_05: I actually signed another name, so um, that's why it says that.
23:50
SPEAKER_05: But I have a question for Cena.
23:52
SPEAKER_05: Um, one thing that we were talking about the other day that I don't think it's talked much about um in health circles is the use of baking powder and baking soda um in the baking of baked goods.
24:05
SPEAKER_05: Um, and at least researching it, it seems like with you could kind of classify it as a highly processed ingredient or food.
24:14
SPEAKER_05: Um, it's not something that's naturally found that is manufactured.
24:19
SPEAKER_05: And I'm curious what your thoughts are on that, and could that contribute to some of the gluten um sensitivities that we see as well?
24:28
SPEAKER_08: Oh wow, I love this question.
24:30
SPEAKER_08: This is a great question.
24:31
SPEAKER_08: So um it I agree with you, it is highly processed, and um, I don't actually use baking powder because uh oftentimes baking powder will have contaminants of like corn derivatives in it, for example.
24:48
SPEAKER_08: Um, but baking baking soda tends not to.
24:52
SPEAKER_08: So I have baking soda and then I'll often add um either cream of tartar to it, which I'm also not a good a big fan of, or I will add um like organic apple cider vinegar to help with with leavening.
25:07
SPEAKER_08: Um, but I'm of the same mindset as you that it is, I consider it more of a processed food.
25:14
SPEAKER_08: And so I do try to limit it whenever possible.
25:17
SPEAKER_08: Um, and oftentimes I will make baked goods and I just won't even stick it in.
25:22
SPEAKER_08: Um, so sometimes I'll stick in like a little bit of apple cycle vinegar, for example, because I like the other health benefits of it.
25:29
SPEAKER_08: And I do get some leavening still, even without not using um without using the baking soda.
25:35
SPEAKER_08: Um, but I never use the baking powder.
25:37
SPEAKER_08: Like there are some baking powders that now claim that they are completely grain-free.
25:42
SPEAKER_08: And so that could be an option if somebody's looking for that, but I just don't even go there because um I've already figured out how I can do it with the apple cider vinegar, or you can use coconut vinegar.
25:53
SPEAKER_08: Uh, that's another option.
25:55
SPEAKER_08: Like my husband can't have apples, so we'll use organic coconut vinegar as a leavening agent um as well.
26:03
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
26:05
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
26:06
SPEAKER_08: Was is that did that answer your question?
26:08
SPEAKER_05: I'm just curious what your thoughts are on it because it doesn't seem like it's an area that gets discussed much.
26:12
SPEAKER_05: And um, so yeah, I was curious what what your take on that was.
26:16
SPEAKER_08: It doesn't, you're exactly right.
26:17
SPEAKER_08: You're the first person who's ever asked me that question.
26:21
SPEAKER_08: So I'm glad you brought it up.
26:23
SPEAKER_08: More people might start thinking about it.
26:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, and Andrew, Andrew, it looks like you've got a bandit and a princess there.
26:30
SPEAKER_05: I know.
26:30
SPEAKER_05: Yep.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: They're cute.
26:34
SPEAKER_05: Can I ask another question if I'm allowed?
26:37
SPEAKER_05: I know I raised my hand.
26:38
SPEAKER_05: Um this this one's for Joel.
26:43
SPEAKER_05: Um, I have a friend at church who just started a new job with an insurance company.
26:51
SPEAKER_05: And part of his job, at least over the next couple years, he's more focused in the egg sector and commercial sector.
27:00
SPEAKER_05: Um, but part of his description and um what they're wanting him to do is to maybe find new niche markets in those areas that they can supply insurance for.
27:12
SPEAKER_05: And so I was curious if there is any area in the egg sector um that you feel like could utilize some insurance.
27:22
SPEAKER_05: I know it's I mean it's not really something that we want to have, if but if there's an area where it would be warranted, or um the other part of it too is it can't be too much to where um there also has to be that that big enough mean there for the company to even put together insurance policy for it.
27:41
SPEAKER_05: Um so if it's something that's so small that it's not even worth their time, and that's kind of where uh we're pretty small scale farm farmers, and so I don't I didn't really have any ideas for him, but I was curious if there is an area that that crosses your mind.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I mean the the thing that's uh the the niche that's really not being filled that I I think is actually pretty large is product liability for small producers.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: Um and I mean I I field questions all the time from small producers looking for looking for product liability insurance.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: So that's one.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: The one I don't know how I don't know how niche this is, but uh for sure one of the biggest another great big area is in workman's comp, the workman's comp niche, where right now all insurance companies that I know of at least are using actuarials developed in the industry.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: So if you if you have workman's comp for uh for somebody who is say moving moving uh chicken shelters, the actuarials, the risk factor for that, the exposure, I think that's the term.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh oh, the bandits uh face mask is off.
29:02
SPEAKER_00: Ah, there he is.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: Now I see him.
29:04
SPEAKER_00: All right.
29:05
SPEAKER_00: Um the actuarials are based on uh Tyson chicken farms, you know, where you're in fecal particulate and you're in fans and electricity and everything.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh whereas a place like ours, uh a poultry worker is simply somebody that's out, you know, moving to chicken shelters.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: So the exposure is way, way less.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: And I've I've been able, I I got I went up pretty high in one uh big insurance outfit, and they were gonna look at at this as a as a um as a workman's comp change for the actuarials.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, let's take let's take if you have to put in a person for workman's comp as a beef uh beef cattle employee, they're assuming a feedlot, you know, with 2,000 uh animals confined in a in a tight space.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we talk about working with beef.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: It's you're out there in the field and you're you know you're moving a herd of cows to an electric fence.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: So the the exposure is so much less.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: And so uh I think these are both niches, both the product liability, and I don't I don't know any, I don't know any insurance company right now that will accept exposure for raw milk.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh raw milk is simply off the table.
30:19
SPEAKER_00: And um and if if somebody and and I don't understand why, because nobody uh nobody gets hurt from raw milk.
30:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh they get hurt from pasteurized milk.
30:34
SPEAKER_00: Uh if you if you actually look at the you know look at the um the health reports from the government.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: So I don't understand why that is so uh difficult, but of course, you know, raw milk is a that's a that's a howitzer in this war of um of decent food.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: And so here we are.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: But the two niches, product liability and workmen's comp for small outfits that are not doing industrial stuff, uh, are two niches I think that are huge and growing with the homestead movement.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: And I think I think they might offer some possibilities.
31:09
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, is there um maybe it'd fall under product liability?
31:14
SPEAKER_05: I don't know if it would.
31:15
SPEAKER_05: If if you would have, let's say a search of your property or confiscation of product that you have on the shelf, would that fall under product liability too?
31:25
SPEAKER_05: Or does that just cover like your product if someone gets injured by it versus if it actually gets seized by the government or or does that make sense?
31:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I'm not sure.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure anybody, I don't think anybody would be willing to to cover something like that.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: No, I I think it's I think it's product life somebody gets sick from age.
31:48
SPEAKER_05: No, that's I'd say assumed it was, but I didn't know how how to what extent that got covered.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I'm sure that they would put on if if the government seizes something, uh yeah, they're hands off at that point.
32:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean the the the the the thing that you can have is um is uh uh insurance for product that's damaged, like if you have a fire, a fire in a in a storage building or your uh power goes out and your big walk-in freezer drops and you you know all your meat thaws, you know, those kind of things.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: But uh, but but uh confiscation.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: I I I think that's just too big a hill to jump to to climb on.
32:27
SPEAKER_03: Okay, thank you.
32:28
SPEAKER_03: All right, awesome.
32:29
SPEAKER_03: Um we're gonna go over real quick to one Discord question and then we'll uh bounce back to Steve and Doug.
32:35
SPEAKER_03: Uh so over on Discord, Casey asks, I'm wondering how much shade impacts UV rays.
32:40
SPEAKER_03: I love sitting in my hammock at the edge of my deck.
32:43
SPEAKER_03: I usually have a fair amount of skin exposed.
32:45
SPEAKER_03: While I'm not getting direct sun exposure here, most of the time, I can't help but think I'm still getting some exposure in this way, and that encouraging outdoor time, even in the shade as well, can still have a big have big improvements in vitamin D.
32:58
SPEAKER_03: Any thoughts or resources?
32:59
SPEAKER_03: This one's for Cena.
33:01
SPEAKER_08: Oh I was just gonna offer it up to Joel.
33:06
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
33:06
SPEAKER_08: So I this morning I actually posted a response on Discord to this question.
33:11
SPEAKER_08: So I'm just gonna follow along with what I wrote on Discord in case someone's not on there who's interested in this.
33:17
SPEAKER_08: So the way I think of shade is of like as a dimmer for the sun.
33:24
SPEAKER_08: So it's not like an off switch, right?
33:26
SPEAKER_08: There's a whole spectrum of what can happen when you're under the shade in terms of your exposure to the different wavelengths of the sun.
33:34
SPEAKER_08: And this includes is included for both UV ray and um IR, the infrared.
33:40
SPEAKER_08: So sun is going to reach you in two main ways, the direct beams, like straight from the sun, and then there's indirect light.
33:46
SPEAKER_08: That's when like radiation is scattered by the sky or it's reflected off surfaces.
33:51
SPEAKER_08: So shade can knock out most of the direct beams, depending on what type of shade it is.
33:57
SPEAKER_08: And that will lower like the UV light that reaches you and the near infrared light or the near IR light, that that portion of the sun.
34:08
SPEAKER_08: Um basically, those, particularly the IR light, um, but unless so the other the UV rays, that's what gives you that feeling of the sun, of the skin getting warm.
34:21
SPEAKER_08: So you can actually measure that yourself.
34:23
SPEAKER_08: You know how much roughly it's being blocked by how like warm your skin feels, you know, uh internally and to the touch.
34:32
SPEAKER_08: Um, but so as I'm saying, you still receive some diffuse UV and near IR uh wavelengths uh from the open sky and reflected radiation from the surroundings.
34:44
SPEAKER_08: So shade, and I I posted some numbers on Discord.
34:47
SPEAKER_08: So shade can actually range from blocking you um from the UV light to anywhere from 10% to 80%.
34:55
SPEAKER_08: And that's going to depend on things like how reflective the ground is or how open the space is around you.
35:02
SPEAKER_08: Um again, it applies to IR as well.
35:05
SPEAKER_08: So, like you can have a sparse canopy over you or a small umbrella that could have lots of visible light coming through.
35:11
SPEAKER_08: You could have bright surroundings.
35:13
SPEAKER_08: Um, if you have things that around you that are more reflective of the light, so like sand and certain types of rocks and decks and walls, um, mirrors, uh, think of them as really reflective, water, um, that reflects more of the UV and IR wavelengths onto you.
35:32
SPEAKER_08: Um conversely, you can block more of them by having like dense foliage uh above you versus sparse foliage or like side panels around you, or like if you're under a covering, uh like a man-made covering in a back patio, uh, that's gonna reduce the amount of those wavelengths that reach you as well.
35:52
SPEAKER_08: So if you're trying to maximize the wavelengths, um, but you're in the shade, you want to actually choose positions with lots of open sky around you to have more diffuse UV and IR rays hit you and sit near like sun-warm surfaces like sand or pale concrete edges of water or sun-baked walls, because you'll pick up some of that reflective near IR and UV wavelengths and the emitted long wave um infrared um portion of the spectrum.
36:24
SPEAKER_08: So I I hope that answers the question.
36:26
SPEAKER_08: But but but the bottom line is just get out in the sun.
36:30
SPEAKER_08: So if if you're more comfortable being in the shade, you're still gonna get rays.
36:35
SPEAKER_08: That um it obviously just being out there with no sunscreen and you know, out in the direct sun, you're gonna have the most intensity of the rays, but I often will sit in the shade myself.
36:48
SPEAKER_08: Um, you know, it's partial shaded.
36:50
SPEAKER_08: And it's it's whatever's gonna get you motivated to get out there.
36:53
SPEAKER_08: You can also get, I know somebody on Discord was posting that they're always covered up when they go out in the sun because bugs will eat them and whatnot.
37:00
SPEAKER_08: And that is the same case for me.
37:02
SPEAKER_08: You can actually get clothing now that has like less of a the weave isn't as tight.
37:09
SPEAKER_08: So some of the rays can come through that.
37:11
SPEAKER_08: And there's also a whole line of clothing that are sold that specifically allow sun to come through them, um, including baby bathing suits.
37:20
SPEAKER_08: But if you're interested in getting one of those bathing suits, I will say I have a girlfriend that got one and it's practically see-through.
37:27
SPEAKER_08: So just a word of caution on that front.
37:31
SPEAKER_08: But that's a great question.
37:33
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
37:34
SPEAKER_08: Just don't overthink about it.
37:35
SPEAKER_08: It's like how Joel and I talk about sometimes we make things way too complicated and that stresses us out and can make us sick, just just doing that.
37:43
SPEAKER_08: So I would say just go and enjoy your time out outside.
37:48
SPEAKER_08: Do it barefoot if you can, and just do it to what feels comfortable and what your body is saying that it likes.
37:54
SPEAKER_08: It's better than sitting in the house.
37:59
SPEAKER_03: Awesome, awesome.
38:00
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
38:00
SPEAKER_03: All right, let's go over to Steve.
38:02
SPEAKER_03: Go ahead and uh ask your question.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: Hello, this question is for Joel.
38:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I live in Miami, Florida, uh suburb of a fairly large city.
38:11
SPEAKER_01: And this is concerning an herbicide called Grazon.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: And uh this is a herbicide, I believe, that kills broadleaf plants.
38:20
unknown: Uh-huh.
38:21
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's in weed and feed for people's uh uh lawns, but it's also used by the agricultural industry for hay and straw production.
38:31
SPEAKER_01: And I'm concerned because apparently this is residual.
38:35
SPEAKER_01: And I used to use straw on occasion.
38:38
SPEAKER_01: I try to use local products as best I can, but if they're unavailable, I will occasionally buy a bale of straw.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: I used to use cow manure, but I no longer because of the fear for this graze on.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: Because if I put it on my vegetable garden and my backyard garden, I produce a lot of food for myself, as well as for my chicken coop to provide bedding.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm worried about when I reuse this on my crops that it could kill all my vegetables.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: And and uh I don't even know if there's such a thing as organic straw or organic hay that you can buy, which would basically eliminate this fear of uh of this herbicide.
39:17
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, uh there is definitely organic hay and straw.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: I think uh I think if you if you actually seek um non-chemical hay or straw, I think you'll you'll find some around.
39:33
SPEAKER_00: But beyond that, you might consider uh wood chips.
39:37
SPEAKER_00: Um very uh as not not sawdust, wood chips or leaves.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh but uh in Florida, I guess you don't rake leaves because the trees are green all the time.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: We have deciduous trees, it's but it's in the winter, it's not in the yeah, yeah.
39:53
SPEAKER_00: Um so uh I I I would encourage you to think about um wood chips that you can let let sit for a good while and turn, you know, turn kind of uh decomposed.
40:09
SPEAKER_00: And and if you get if you let them uh decompose to the point where you can't tell what kind of wood uh wood was the apparent material, they're probably you know decomposed enough to to use.
40:22
SPEAKER_00: And uh if you're familiar with the you know the gardening of of Back to Eden, Paul Gauchi, uh his the we kind of adhere to that, and uh we just love it.
40:31
SPEAKER_00: And so uh chip wood chips would be would not be um subject to the kind of herbicide you're talking about.
40:40
SPEAKER_00: But there are definitely organic, you know, non-chemical sources.
40:43
SPEAKER_00: You know, I have to do a little bit of sleuthing and asking around looking, but yeah, there it's definitely available.
40:49
SPEAKER_00: But in um in addition to that, I would look at wood chips.
40:55
SPEAKER_01: So you would age the wood chips so that they don't like if it's on my vegetable garden so it doesn't pull nitrogen.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's right, that's right.
41:02
SPEAKER_00: You you want to age them so so um you if you could age them, you know, probably for a year where you are, uh they would be and and and they don't have to be covered, leave leave the pile out, let it get wet, let it get all nice and black, and um man, it'll well in a year in in hot, wet Miami, it'll be compost.
41:22
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah, which is which is great, which is great.
41:27
SPEAKER_01: But uh uh okay, I was just looking for something to cover the soil for my crops.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, for for mulch.
41:36
SPEAKER_01: All right, thank you, Joel.
41:39
SPEAKER_03: All right, great.
41:41
SPEAKER_03: Over to Doug.
41:46
SPEAKER_12: Hey there.
41:46
SPEAKER_12: So I I'd be happy for either of you guys to pitch in an answer, um, though this question comes from I started reading Marvelous Pignus of Pig um by you, Joel.
41:58
SPEAKER_12: And um uh I I've uh trying to find the right words.
42:04
SPEAKER_12: I'm I'm pretty convicted.
42:06
SPEAKER_12: Um it's a it's a good book.
42:09
SPEAKER_12: Um, and I as I've been reading this, the thought has come to my mind um to give a little bit of my background.
42:17
SPEAKER_12: I spent three years in college as a pastoral and theology major.
42:23
SPEAKER_12: Um, and I I cannot think of a single time that any professor, any uh yeah, no one has ever brought up a doctrine about food, um, looking at food as part of stewardship, um, or even agriculture more broadly as part of stewardship.
42:48
SPEAKER_12: And um I I just I'm at a place now where like we're we still have our inconsistencies and we're trying to reduce those every every season um on our own property and in our lives, but even on a more I'm sorry, I know this is like a really broad question, um, but like on a on a larger scale, like in my local church or even church capital C, I'm like, I I just how do I start to help people become aware of this?
43:23
SPEAKER_12: Like, like yeah, does that make sense?
43:30
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, it's a it's a huge deal, and um and you might be happy to know that right now I'm working with a fellow who is well connected with uh focus on the family and family research council and other type of play outfits like that.
43:48
SPEAKER_00: Um to create a we've already d we've already done a pilot one, a a 10 week uh small group Sunday school Bible study course.
43:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh And I'm I'm four four into the next group of ten.
44:04
SPEAKER_00: And um our idea is to actually bring these concepts to a a small group or i.e.
44:12
SPEAKER_00: Bible study um uh context so that people can be exposed and wrestle with you know how should we then live?
44:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah and um and so that that is uh in fact uh the my my buddy I'm working with on it, he's in a great big church.
44:33
SPEAKER_00: We're in a pretty small one, but he's in a big thousand person group, and um and so he is actually introducing it as a as a beta uh beta pilot, I think next week it'll be go for 10 weeks and we'll see how it goes.
44:48
SPEAKER_00: But uh the idea is to actually create this and then offer it, you know, worldwide for the faith community to um to to to wrestle with some of these um some of these issues.
45:04
SPEAKER_11: Yeah.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: So that that's that's coming and I think it's gonna I think it's gonna happen.
45:11
SPEAKER_12: Yeah, that that's amazing.
45:12
SPEAKER_12: That's all that's great news.
45:15
SPEAKER_00: Good.
45:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh but but yeah, uh uh, I mean our own, you know, our own group where I go, you know, there's ever there's everything from uh I mean it's a it's attention.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: Um you go to prayer meeting and this guy's you know asking for prayer for his you know third amputated toe because of diabetes, and you know if you go to his house or refrigerator, the refrigerator's gonna be full of you know Coca-Cola and um you know lunchables and Velveeta cheese.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: And uh and and it's it's it's tough.
45:47
SPEAKER_00: It's it's attention.
45:48
SPEAKER_00: So I I understand and um and I I think uh I think it's a conversation we need to be you know we we need to be having and we don't want to we don't want to start a a cult, but I do think these these are are questions about um interacting with interacting with God's stuff that that is uh is valid.
46:18
SPEAKER_00: So thank you for thank you for um looking at it for your heart in it.
46:23
SPEAKER_00: And um yeah, I think we're all struggling to know how to bring this better to our faith community because our faith community has been, I think, extremely negligent in in not owning um the creation stewardship uh concept.
46:41
SPEAKER_12: Yeah, no, I absolutely and thank you, thank you for writing the book.
46:45
SPEAKER_12: And yeah, no, you're right.
46:46
SPEAKER_12: I mean, if anyone, yeah, I I don't care right, left, whatever, you know, hippies, whoever, right, right.
46:51
SPEAKER_12: The the church should never have abdicated um that responsibility just because it got politically associated with hippies.
46:59
SPEAKER_12: I mean that's it it it I I mean I I wasn't alive for it, and so I don't want to be overly critical because who knows what I would have done if I if I if I were back then, but you know, hindsight's always 2020, and I'm like I yeah, I just um yeah, I I'm very emotional about it now that this week, and I'm just I can't yeah, that thank you.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: I oh it's one wonderful.
47:25
SPEAKER_00: Well, uh well welcome aboard.
47:28
SPEAKER_03: Alrighty, thank you so much, Doug.
47:29
SPEAKER_03: That's a great question.
47:30
SPEAKER_03: All right, we've got three hands raised, and we have 10 minutes left.
47:33
SPEAKER_03: So uh we're gonna try to knock out all three in a little bit of a lightning round.
47:37
SPEAKER_03: So, Marshall, do you want to go ahead and ask your question?
47:40
SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, that'd be great.
47:42
SPEAKER_04: Uh so I have a question for Cena.
47:46
SPEAKER_04: Um I worked close with my grandfather, who uh I recently uh found out was diagnosed with MS.
47:55
SPEAKER_04: And uh he wasn't recently diagnosed.
47:58
SPEAKER_04: He's been diagnosed.
47:59
SPEAKER_04: Uh I was just never aware of it.
48:01
SPEAKER_04: And I was wondering if you guys had any episodes on uh MS or diseases like that that I could look into.
48:08
SPEAKER_08: Oh wow.
48:08
SPEAKER_08: Well, first of all, I'm very sorry um for this for the diagnosis and for what your family's going through.
48:15
SPEAKER_08: I can completely relate um to your situation.
48:19
SPEAKER_08: So you're in my heart and my prayer in my prayers.
48:23
SPEAKER_08: Um second, we so to specifically answer your question, we did an episode where Nolan, I don't know if you might be able to find that episode number.
48:33
SPEAKER_08: It was the one where I go through how diseases are reversible, like all chronic and autoimmune diseases are reversible.
48:40
SPEAKER_08: And I cite scientific studies, in fact.
48:43
SPEAKER_08: So these are peer-reviewed studies in the scientific literature that anybody can access.
48:49
SPEAKER_08: And they are all supporting that claim of mine for a variety of different studies.
48:56
SPEAKER_08: So I go through the whole list.
48:58
SPEAKER_08: Um, that at that article, I took it from an article that I wrote for Epoch Times and it was published.
49:04
SPEAKER_08: So um, are you on the Discord page?
49:07
SPEAKER_04: Uh, not yet.
49:08
SPEAKER_04: I'm just just kind of getting started and getting into things.
49:11
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
49:11
SPEAKER_08: So what we can do is, and maybe I can, maybe Nolan can answer this, but like, what's the best way to get a link to that article to somebody?
49:20
SPEAKER_08: Because it has hyperlinks to all of the studies that I'm citing that are evidence that you can reverse these conditions.
49:30
SPEAKER_08: So I could post it on Discord.
49:31
SPEAKER_08: Maybe Nolan can send it out in one of the emails with show description or with the shows on it.
49:37
SPEAKER_08: Um, I'll let Nolan chime in on that part when I'm done and say what he wants to do because I don't handle the technical stuff, but I'm just the researcher.
49:45
SPEAKER_08: Um, but I will post it on Discord.
49:47
SPEAKER_08: So um they are all reversible.
49:50
SPEAKER_08: I mean, I worked with a friend of mine who had MS and hers reversed.
49:56
SPEAKER_08: Um, and so the backbone of how to reverse it is at least what God showed me, um, has worked with all the conditions.
50:03
SPEAKER_08: So uh Joel, we've been talking for a while about how we need to do an episode on how to actually reverse them.
50:09
SPEAKER_08: So I'll put that on our calendar is the next one that we will record.
50:13
SPEAKER_08: Um, and and so we'll so everybody will have that roadmap that I keep talking about, about the initial steps that you can go through to actually reverse them.
50:23
SPEAKER_08: But I think just starting with the um belief system that it can be reversed is very critical.
50:30
SPEAKER_08: And so we'll get that out to you um hopefully through whatever, however, Nolan wants to get it out to you, and I'll post it on on Discord.
50:38
SPEAKER_08: So to me, that would be a good starting point.
50:40
SPEAKER_08: And I will follow up with an entire podcast on the steps that I have learned in my experience can reverse these conditions.
50:49
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
50:49
SPEAKER_08: Does that answer your question?
50:51
SPEAKER_04: Okay, yeah, I appreciate that.
50:52
SPEAKER_04: And to save Nolan time from answering, I plan on sending him an email.
50:55
SPEAKER_04: So uh maybe he can just reply back through that.
50:57
SPEAKER_04: Um, perfect.
50:58
SPEAKER_08: So I'll send you the link, Nolan, to the study.
51:01
SPEAKER_08: I mean, to the article.
51:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I've more five more questions for next month, but uh I'll just let everybody else try to get their questions in right now.
51:08
SPEAKER_04: So thank you guys.
51:10
SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
51:10
SPEAKER_03: Thanks so much, Marshall.
51:12
SPEAKER_03: All righty, let's uh go to uh let's see, is uh Mul Holland here?
51:17
SPEAKER_06: No, my phone is is being wacky, so there you go.
51:20
SPEAKER_06: Hey, this is a question for um Joel.
51:23
SPEAKER_06: And actually, can you put turkeys and layered chickens together?
51:26
SPEAKER_00: Um it is not considered good to put chickens and turkeys together in the same physical spot.
51:39
SPEAKER_00: However, I have seen it done.
51:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you just have to be really, really straight up on hygiene and sanitation.
51:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh, move those guys every day or two, fresh ground, lots of green grass, uh, room to run.
51:55
SPEAKER_00: And uh, in other words, I would not put them together in a stationary free range setting where they're in a stationary yard and free range in a certain area because of blackhead.
52:10
SPEAKER_00: On our farm, we have never had blackhead.
52:14
SPEAKER_00: That's what all the books talk about, but we are religious about moving stuff around.
52:20
SPEAKER_00: We don't combine them, but we do run them across the same ground in proximity.
52:27
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and we've never had an issue, but we move them very constantly onto fresh ground.
52:34
SPEAKER_00: And I think that that and and everything has plenty of room to run.
52:37
SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's um uh that's a huge reason why we haven't had what the books say you'll have if you put them closer together.
52:47
SPEAKER_03: All righty, awesome.
52:48
SPEAKER_03: Let's go over to Melinda.
52:50
SPEAKER_03: Good.
52:51
SPEAKER_09: Okay.
52:51
SPEAKER_09: Um, first I want to say thank you, thank you to you guys for doing this, and um, especially the healing episode way, way back that Cena did, I believe, about concentrating.
53:02
SPEAKER_09: It's really like through your mind and healing areas.
53:05
SPEAKER_09: I think it was a big part of healing a bold disc in my back, and I was almost like incapacitated for a while.
53:12
SPEAKER_09: So um, thank you.
53:14
SPEAKER_09: Um, my question is uh, I guess for Joel and fescue grass in my pastures.
53:21
SPEAKER_09: I have a herd of actually about 35 Jersey cows.
53:25
SPEAKER_09: I sell raw milk in Connecticut and some other products.
53:28
SPEAKER_09: Um, I rotationally graze.
53:31
SPEAKER_09: I am getting more and more fescue, and it's driving me nuts.
53:35
SPEAKER_09: They don't like it.
53:36
SPEAKER_09: I know it can be toxic in large amounts.
53:39
SPEAKER_09: Um, seeing if you have any suggestions.
53:44
SPEAKER_00: So uh how often are you moving them?
53:48
SPEAKER_09: In the spring, I'm pretty religious about moving them daily.
53:52
SPEAKER_09: Um, and oftentimes I don't have quite enough pasture to raise night and day, um, all of them throughout the season.
54:02
SPEAKER_09: So I just do daytime on grass at night.
54:04
SPEAKER_09: They're closer to the barn on hay, but they are moving every day.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh are you monitoring your uh your clover?
54:16
SPEAKER_00: Is your clover going up or down?
54:19
SPEAKER_09: Um I've definitely been getting more clover over the years.
54:22
SPEAKER_09: So I've been on this property for I've been 21 years now.
54:27
SPEAKER_09: Wow.
54:29
SPEAKER_09: I I do have a lot of clover.
54:31
SPEAKER_09: Sometimes I almost worry it's too much in the spring.
54:34
SPEAKER_09: Um, I almost worry they're gonna bloat.
54:37
SPEAKER_09: So just because it's so thick and rich in a lot of areas.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
54:44
SPEAKER_00: So so you you said you're really religious about moving them in the spring.
54:49
SPEAKER_00: Uh, what happens in the in the dry summer?
54:53
SPEAKER_09: Well, I guess now we are we are quite dry up here.
54:56
SPEAKER_09: Um, it's the driest year I've ever experienced.
54:59
SPEAKER_09: So they're they're still moving every day.
55:03
SPEAKER_09: Um, they're getting larger areas because there isn't as much out there.
55:07
SPEAKER_09: Um, and then when I don't have enough soon it's gonna come to an end.
55:11
SPEAKER_09: I mean they're gonna be on hay.
55:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh well, so so pasture diversity is all about um rest and disturbance.
55:28
SPEAKER_00: And so I've made a lot of people angry by doing editorials at Stop and Grass Farmer on why a grass-based dairy is not a sustainable business.
55:42
SPEAKER_00: The reason is because a dairy cow, you can't push a dairy cow like you can other kind of cows.
55:49
SPEAKER_00: If she's lactating, she needs good feed.
55:51
SPEAKER_00: And so one of the one of the things that you can do with a non-lactating animal, whether it's you know, steers from your dairy herd or or um you know uh dry cows or beef animals, is is you can push them.
56:07
SPEAKER_00: And it's the pushing in the summer, not in the spring, but the pushing in the summer that that opens up the ground for um you know for different things.
56:21
SPEAKER_00: And so I mean whether that different thing is is more Forbes, you know, like plantain or chicory or or um uh Queen Anne's Lace, um, you know, milkweed, those are all very, very delectable uh to cows, or opening it up to uh to summer, to summer annuals, whether those be uh Johnson grass, uh grease grass, panicum, uh some switchgrass, those kind of things, you you will never get those kinds of sweet, and many of them are C4 grasses.
57:03
SPEAKER_00: You won't get that kind of grasses and Forbes if you don't if you don't uh pound it once in a while.
57:14
SPEAKER_00: Not every time, but pounding it, pounding it once in a while.
57:18
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say, if not annually, at least every other year.
57:22
SPEAKER_00: So one of those rotations in the year will be what I call a pounding, uh where you really take it hard, take it down to the ground, and you open it up so that you give a chance for other seedlings to um you to come in.
57:41
SPEAKER_00: And um, and and this the the main time that this is done is during more dormant times.
57:49
SPEAKER_00: You don't want to do that during fast growth times because you'll really uh reduce your production.
57:55
SPEAKER_00: But if you do it during dormant times, either winter or dry summer, uh, it can be extremely positive for opening it up for additional uh additional speciation.
58:09
SPEAKER_09: Okay.
58:10
SPEAKER_09: And even they will not like take down that fescue should I have bush hogged it.
58:17
SPEAKER_09: I don't know if maybe mowing it down closer during those times.
58:21
SPEAKER_09: I have jerseys, so they're picky as picky comes.
58:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
58:27
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, if you're if you're not open to uh to a different kind of livestock, a different kind of animal, yeah.
58:37
SPEAKER_00: Uh then then yes, uh mowing it, mowing it tight uh to drop that um that old vegetation uh will do a lot.
58:48
SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm glad I'm glad your clover's good.
58:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh dairy cows, of course, love clover, so do beef cows.
58:55
SPEAKER_00: And so uh there's a raging debate, maybe you don't, you know, within the grass community about how much clover you're supposed to have.
59:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh so some people think that clover is indicative of, you know, uh um is is not accept uh not good.
59:13
SPEAKER_00: I tend to think clover is fantastic, cows like it.
59:17
SPEAKER_00: And so I would never um I would never complain at clover.
59:22
SPEAKER_00: So uh I'm glad that you've got clover.
59:24
SPEAKER_00: I think what your fescue needs is is hot summer uh hot summer push.
59:31
SPEAKER_00: Uh uh that hot summer disturbance to get some different species in there.
59:39
SPEAKER_09: Okay.
59:40
SPEAKER_09: Thank you.
59:41
SPEAKER_09: Thank you very much.
59:42
SPEAKER_09: Yes, indeed.
59:43
SPEAKER_03: All right, wonderful.
59:44
SPEAKER_03: I think that'll close us up for this time.
59:47
SPEAKER_03: We actually made it through nine questions, so I think that's a new record for Joel and Cena.
59:52
SPEAKER_03: So uh just want to thank everybody for uh joining us for this uh Beyond Labels live stream in September.
59:58
SPEAKER_03: And uh thanks especially to Joel and Cena for uh giving their abundance of information and uh and thanks to everyone who showed up today.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_03: And uh one thing that Pam H had said in the comments, I think really uh speaks true, is that the gold is in the meticulous minutia.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_03: And she was just saying how much she loves uh those questions.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_03: So next time in October, go ahead and bring your meticulous minutia.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_03: And uh, Joel, if you want to go ahead and close us out in a quick blessing, uh we'll end there.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, absolutely.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_00: Lord, we're grateful for the time we've had together, grateful for the chance to uh to have this this um uh kind of electronic fellowship, if you will, and um help us to use it wisely to be faithful in uh in building this community, and uh uh just go before each of us in our different walks and locations and problems and things that we're dealing with, and um umbrella us with your wisdom, discernment, and protection.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_00: We praise you in Jesus' name.