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Dream High | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 38 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Vivek. He Rambles were couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas and we're back for another episode.
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  We're still in yesteryear and I have with me my two Two, good
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  friends, Kathy and Lauda from the ma 2K podcast.
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  How are you two? So happy to be here?
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  Yes, this is a bit of a reunions.
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  We haven't seen each other since the pH one concert a few weeks
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  ago. And that was so much fun.
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  Yeah. And you guys went all over
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  Orlando like the day after it was like incredible.
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  I don't know. It was literally like we weren't
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  even in Orlando for 24 hours. We went to eat k-pot, we got
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  ready for the concert, went to the concert and then the next
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  day, we left the hotel, like, chucked out when to Kpop and USA
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  and drove back home, like, it was very methodical stop.
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  So we had to make. So we were not even in town for
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  24 hours, we really weren't. I honestly can't believe you did
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  even that much. Sometimes I try and do two
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  things on my list of all. I want to go here when I go
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  there and I don't get to those places and I'm of local.
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  So you know it is what it is. You guys did the deed.
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  It was awesome. You did the thing and we're
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  going to be reviewing Dream High today.
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  And I really wanted you guys to come on this show and
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  particular, review this kdrama because it is very much
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  influenced by the Kpop industry and to be quite honest, this is
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  where I learned a lot about the Kpop industry and the Machine
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  that it is and so on and so forth.
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  So I was like, I have to get to get Have a Kpop podcast was
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  like, oh perfect. And I've joked on, and off about
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  Dream High in multiple episodes, because we've covered other
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  shows from these direct this director, in this screenwriter
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  and this cast. So I'm like, it's a long time
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  coming for us to cover, Dream High on the show, and I wanted
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  you guys to share this with me and I can't wait to hear your
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  Thank you for being here. Okay.
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  So I'm going to I just get going.
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  There's not stop me. If you want to talk about
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  anything in particular when it comes to some of these other
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  shows that are going to crop up here and some of them we've
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  covered on the podcast. And I know that Lauda has a
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  deeper well of knowledge when it comes to kdramas, but please
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  these people especially the cast list and the producers are all
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  from the Kpop world. So Kathy, if you want to jump in
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  at any point and say your piece on somebody like feel free.
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  Thank you so much for the yes. So, the my drama list synopsis
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  and this is extremely abbreviated, I just kept like
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  the first sentence of it Dream. High tells, the story of six
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  students at kid in art High School who work to achieve their
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  dreams of becoming music stars in the Korean music industry.
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  This show aired from January to February 2011, it is 16 episodes
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  long and the director is Ian book.
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  He's directed things like Dream High 2, which is a sequel to
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  this and we can talk a little bit about it later school. 2013,
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  Secret Love descendants of the sun, which is a massive show.
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  We've covered it on the podcast Guardian, the lonely and great.
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  God aka the okay, be a massive, freaking show Goblin mr.
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  Sunshine, which we've also covered on the show.
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  So these three bangers, three bangers in a row, sweet home
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  from 2020 which is a Netflix, he's show and he's directing All
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  Seasons. I think that's a season kdrama
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  and then Gigi sohn is his most recent work from 2021.
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  The Dream High show was written by a POC.
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  Hey Ian and she's written, I can hear your voice Pinocchio
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  page-turner While You Were Sleeping, which is a show that
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  we've covered here on the podcast and start up from 2020.
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  Coincidentally, both of those shows Stars, Bae Suzy And I'll
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  cover her first as like, I guess she's like the leader of this of
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  this ensemble cast Bae, Suzy plays goal, Jaime and she, if
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  you don't know, was a member of Miss, A, and that is a K-Pop
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  group. She's been in Gu Family, Book,
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  uncontrollably fond Vagabond, and, and she will be in this
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  Netflix show called due no later this year in 2023, I Dimension
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  startup. And while you were sleeping
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  because I kind of, we already just mentioned those and we've
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  covered those extensively. They have their own reviews.
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  Each of them that they're back feed.
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  So we have Bae Suzy. Did you guys have anything to
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  say, about Bae Suzy? I mean, I am, I'm actually more
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  surprised about the director and writer, like, I hadn't realized
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  that they had Had written all of these well, written and
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  directed. All of these really big shows
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  you any kind of It's a little weird that dream high is in
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  there. Like yeah, it's shocking for
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  sure a little bit. Yeah yeah I agree that it's like
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  all of a sudden the career took like a hard left turn and all of
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  a sudden he's like an amazing director and want someone not
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  Just if you don't like the work that's fine.
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  But that's dramas were hits. Like, you can't deny like
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  descendants of the sun, Guardian, mr.
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  Sunshine, sweet home. They all had a lot of Buzz
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  around them. They were great exports for
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  Korea and the Holly wave and you know, their household names.
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  I should say it shows. We all have to start somewhere.
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  Yeah. And keep the dream alive, guys
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  because you could be on the level of young book where you're
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  just putting out hit after hit and he working with Netflix and
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  you working with big-name stars and doing High budget like mr.
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  Sunshine is one of the most high production budget key, dramas
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  out there, and like a Prestige television show.
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  So it's incredible, it really is to go for dream which looks like
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  it. It does.
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  And you know, Oh is what it is but and it's not just Dream High
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  but Dream High 2. Like that's that's that's the
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  thing that's like a little. Okay sure guy.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
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  For those who don't know, Dream, High 2.
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  I have not watched it but I think you might have about a I
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  got into maybe a couple of episodes and not even my love
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  for JB. Head help me continue, which is
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  from Got7. Yeah, I get it.
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  Yeah. And like I love him so much but
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  II. Couldn't it was it was a lie.
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  It was awful like Dream. High 2 is well known for being a
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  terrible shit when like it was a major drop-off from Dream High,
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  the first one, which is what we're covering today and it's
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  such a shame I guess. But at the same time like, um,
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  book Rebounded. And he's doing just fine.
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  That's the director and I think it's a little bit of a joke now
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  like the Dream High versus Dream.
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  High 2 verses like is Dream High.
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  A good show. Even like you know well we can
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  talk about it a bit more. But so we we covered the
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  director and the writer and Bae Suzy will cover the rest of the
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  six students. So we have Kim sohyun Ron
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  playing song that song sung dong and for those who don't know, we
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  just covered My Love from the Star a couple of episodes ago,
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  which is a major like Holly wave hit and then he was also in
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  Moon. Embracing the Sun, the producers
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  crash-landing on you Cameo, it's okay to not be, okay?
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  Which is a huge one as well. And then he was most recently in
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  one Ordinary Day I low-key love Kim Soo-hyun, and I hope that
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  his career kind of picks up the way it did.
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  Like the way it was almost 10 years ago when he was like, at
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  the top of his game, he had all of the, like CF contracts.
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  He was a top star and I just don't know why his star waned
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  necessarily like, I don't know, it's just me, I guess that's
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  wondering these things, but yeah.
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  Now we also have pick Ian as jinguk and he for those who
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  don't know, he was a member of 2 p.m. is a member of 2 p.m. and
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  he's made a pretty successful career as an actor because he's
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  been in. Bring It On ghost, save me
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  Vincenzo, which was a huge sort of break out role for him.
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  A lot of people didn't know necessarily who Tech was before
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  Vincenzo. And then I think he was in most
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  recently, Lee secret Royal inspector enjoy from 20 21 and
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  he's still working. He still around.
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  If you see his socials, he's like posting really cryptic like
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  photos of like sets and like places where he is filming and
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  stuff and he's around like, he's still a successful actor, and I
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  think he's pretty bankable, still not to mention.
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  Oh, keep going for sure. What's up?
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  Oh, he just also signed with an agency here in the United
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  States. To make that jump.
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  Yes, I am hoping that that pans out for him because I really do
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  think that he is a bankable star.
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  He's likable. He's very versatile and I think
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  he could do pretty well here in the west.
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  I hope that he gets some chances.
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  I remember, Like this is a kind of a Tanger, but not really
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  whenever when Jay Park signed with Roc Nation and how like
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  that was supposed to be like this huge thing and he was going
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  to make a debut official debut and the states and whatever
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  because he's signed with Roc Nation, which is Jay-Z's label
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  and whatever. And like nothing really came of
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  that it just like came and went and I hope that that's not with
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  a case for Tech. They don't have the same
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  problematic background. So hopefully, Lee.
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  That's not going to be the same case, for both of them and, you
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  know, Tech is very secretive. I don't, I mean, I, every KPop
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  star is secretive of their lives and very protective of their
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  privacy as much as they can be. Like, I don't know anything
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  about tech, really. You know what I'm saying?
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, he hasn't all we need to
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  know is that he has an alienated, like an entire group
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  of people that I talked constantly and that just, you
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  know, are not really ever. Going to move on from certain
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  things that were said or done or whatever.
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  So I think he has a really bright future with this move of
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  signing to do work here and we talked about it in our kdrama
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  episode with you just that we were like, oh, you know, now
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  that packs of Jonah's going to do Marvel's.
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  Who else do we think is going to really like breakout on the
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  west? And we mentioned tuck like as a
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  possibility because he speaks English and everything.
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  So it just seems like it's falling into place as it should.
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  So yeah. So for that, hoping praying for
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  the best for you to check if your Listening for some reason.
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  Okay. So then we have its private time
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  and he just listens to kdrama bond gets in his spare time.
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  Okay. So to round out the cast, we
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  have hum hum and Jung plays young, Becky.
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  And she was a member of Tiara and she's been working but she's
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  really just done like weekend dramas and a handful of movies.
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  We can dramas are High episode, count kdramas and like, You know
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  sometimes over 100 episodes and so she's been steadily working
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  but I don't think she's necessarily made a just a giant
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  impact on the kdrama industry as a whole.
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  I don't think she's very memorable and we have wooyoung
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  as Jason. He's also a member of 2 p.m. and
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  this is literally the only thing he's done in the kdrama world.
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  This is only acting credit ever is this 1 as Jason.
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  And then to round out the cast, we have this little I don't know
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  if you've heard of a Jian. AKA I, you she plays kimpo suck
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  and she's major major solo star in Korea and worldwide.
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  She's just amazing. I've called her the fairy
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  princess or very goddess before and various episodes.
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  She's been in shows, like you are the best, The Producers.
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  Moon lover Scarlet REO which were covering later in the
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  season. She's been in my Mr. Which we
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  did a couple of seasons ago, and, of course, hotel, de luna,
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  which is a pretty big show. What do you have anything to say
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  about these three? I understand why, why we on the
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  knocked over again, I was gonna say the same thing.
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  It does. It does it makes it really done.
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  Can we just talk about our thoughts and things?
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  We're about to get into it because we've just come to the
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  end of like our ensemble cast of coursers, adults characters
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  caregivers and teachers that are more veteran actors or people
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  that you've I've seen in other shows more recently but we're
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  just going to call it for for now.
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  What? I don't know who wants to go
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  first, but what did you guys think of Dream High?
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  Laura has watched it twice so I think she can go first.
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  Oh okay loud Echo. So I watched it twice and I
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  personally have this like genre of kdramas that I like that
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  aren't very good kind of really cringey but I really enjoy them
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  in their cringe and Dream High is one of those.
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  I think in my opinion what saves it or like what the big
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  difference between Dream High and Dream High 2 is the actors
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  like even though Not all six or amazing actors.
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  Most of them were, and that's kind of, what saves the drama
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  they sell this writing this dialogue, that is
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  cringe-inducing goose-bumpy feeling and they, you know, they
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  sell it, they give it, they give it like a nice touch where
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  you're like, okay, this is really cringey, but I believe
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  it. They cry really prettily.
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  Like it's just, I I think what makes this drama is?
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  The actors not gonna lie? The watching it a second time.
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  The crunch went up like four levels and I found myself
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  fast-forwarding. A lot of like scenes, so it it
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  was a little bit more painful. The second time, this is
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  definitely for me, one of those that you only watch ones because
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  you're going through a hard time and you don't want to think
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  about anything and then never watch again.
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  Like, Got you, got you so who would you say were the best
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  actors? Because he said like it's really
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  based on the six, you know, ensemble cast members that we
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  talked about who are for all intents and purposes Idols,
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  right? An idol drama and which ones
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  were the standouts for you? I think.
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  Well, I mean, you could tell I you was gonna go places like
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  she, you could tell I liked. How are you?
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  You acted. I liked Zoo, Khao suan.
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  How do you say? So, here's Kim.
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  Soo Yung. I like him too young and I like
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  taking I mean you could tell it was his first but yeah he you
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  could tell he was going to become better at it.
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  I'm not quite sure about Susie what!
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  Hmm well we talked about it. So Kathy over you this is your
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  first time watch of dream hide. This was my first and my last I
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  will start there. So okay.
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  Before I would have said that I pretty much like anything
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  because like people would argue about certain movies with me and
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  I can always see where people are coming from and kind of
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  argue that The Devil's Advocate side of why something was made,
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  why it's good or why, whatever? Mmm, I did not feel that way
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  with Dream High. I was surprised, I was scared to
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  come and share my opinions here because I feel like it's such a
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  cult classic and such a, you know, generation.
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  All cultural impact, whatever that I didn't want people to
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  come for me. Not that I exist at all in any
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  way, sort of anything but it was really hard for me to finish the
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  show and I usually finish everything that I start with
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  like movies and stuff. Just out of curiosity of how
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  it's going to pan out. I had a really hard time with
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  the writing. I had a really hard time with
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  the acting. I had a really hard time with
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  the filming I I had a really hard time finding redeeming
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  things to say about the show and I finished it exclusively
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  because we were doing this episode with you which we are.
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  So thankful to that you invited us over over virtually to talk
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  about it but and with all that said, I'm still grateful that
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  now I know what it is so I can be in the conversation whenever
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  it comes up so roasted but I'll be in the conversation to roast
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  it. Oh God.
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  Okay. So I mean, I kind of want to
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  talk more about like what what you disliked about the show.
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  I don't know if I have time. I'll say, my thoughts and we can
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  come Circle back to some of the, like, General terrible Miss of
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  the show. So, and I'm sorry, it's whiny
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  fans. I would just want to clarify.
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  This is just an opinion. I am nobody, don't worry about
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  me, like, That's it. So yeah again like I never show.
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  I guess we should have a disclaimer that these are our
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  opinions, it's completely subjective.
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  You don't need to freak out about anything that we say were
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  not the Arbiters of taste here, okay.
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  Like we're just having fun. It's we're all here to have fun.
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  So, Dream High, I had watched it I think into around 2012 or
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  2013. It was probably one of the first
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  like, in the first 25 kdramas that I I'd ever watched early on
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  and I was not too far removed from the time period that they
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  had filmed it and from this era of Kpop, right?
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  Like this is kind of when I started getting into Kpop and I
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  had heard like a couple of 2 p.m. songs and I had heard like
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  one miss a song and I you know I was like baby Kpop fan and just
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  dipping my toes into it and then I get to see Dream High and I
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  was like this It's a whole new world like this is nothing like
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  the industry here in the states where you like it's all based on
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  like Glock or who you know, and there's not all this bureaucracy
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  I guess or trainee process. I guess the trainee process
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  really was like eye-opening for me and even though there's like
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  giant differences between how its portrayed and Dream High and
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  how it really is in the industry for the most part.
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  Yes they are. Are taught in classes and
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  having, you know, showcases and exhibitions and things with the
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  grated on like that is all pretty par for the course, true
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  of the Kpop industry and the trainee process and I was like
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  stunned out of my mind that this was true like for it all
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  intensive purposes, it is true. Not that there's a cure in high
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  school. That's Outsourcing, you know,
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  trade he's into the companies, but You know, it was it was very
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  eye-opening for me and I remember feeling a little bit
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  cringy about some things and I was like, this isn't like the
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  a-plus-plus writing like I was at for some reason I was just
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  like I'm still in my Boys Over Flowers era, right?
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  So I was very forgiving of a lot of things and didn't necessarily
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  feel that strongly about the puzzle pieces that make up a
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  great drama, great TV show, or a great thing.
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  Film or something like that. Something to that effect.
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  So that wasn't concerned necessarily with the sound
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  mixing was horrendous. Oh, my hearing, why am I hearing
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  all kinds of horrible? Horrible, horrible sound mixing
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  the cinematography is, like, non-existent.
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  It felt like they shot this on, like a digital camera micro we
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  think. Yeah.
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  I was like Overexposed and terrible and like the actual
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  Editing of it, like the shots were too long in so many
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  instances. I was like, why is this shot
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  still continuing, the pacing of the dialogue was terrible.
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  I was like, there's like beats here.
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  It's awkward like they this needs to be edited.
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  This needs to be like tone, you know, tightened up in the script
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  and I was a very on this watch. I was like, this is awful.
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  Like, you know, all of these puzzle pieces, make up my
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  opinion of your show and And I was like, this is terrible.
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  But one thing that I didn't dislike about the show one thing
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  that stayed the same from my initial watch was how much I
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  admired the heart of the characters and this General
• 24:38
  message of follow your dreams like do whatever you can work
• 24:44
  hard, you know, you'll achieve, what you what you set out to do,
• 24:49
  your Ambitions are you know, valid and all of this stuff.
• 24:53
  So like it was very preachy like even on this Around.
• 24:56
  I was like, this is the prettiest message and they keep
• 24:58
  saying it over and over again. Music brings us together, music
• 25:02
  is a universal language and like all of this hokey like
• 25:07
  messaging, you know, hit me as way more cringe this time.
• 25:12
  But at the end of the day, that's what people I think.
• 25:15
  Connect to in Dream High is like this heart and this this feeling
• 25:22
  that, you know, they can do it, it's very aspirational.
• 25:26
  Well, I think for a lot of people not just, if you suddenly
• 25:29
  want to be a creative and want to get into the music industry
• 25:32
  or want to be a professional dancer, what have you like?
• 25:35
  It's kind of goes far beyond that and I think it might even
• 25:40
  dip into just the culture of Korea, right?
• 25:44
  Like here if we see a movie like I don't know like a mission
• 25:49
  impossible or something like that.
• 25:50
  Like that's a very action-heavy that's very aspirational for a
• 25:54
  lot of people were like, yeah, I can do this.
• 25:56
  Beat the got the bad guy I can save the world.
• 25:58
  Like that's kind of embedded into like our DNA of like the
• 26:03
  Air Force One, get off my plane. Like, there's also like all of
• 26:07
  these other facets of like, americanism that's in the movies
• 26:11
  that we watch here in the west and in Korea, this Kpop show
• 26:17
  that did very well when it aired and sort of launched.
• 26:23
  All of these careers. Like, I feel like people, I'll
• 26:26
  have a lot of nostalgia and good feelings toward it because of
• 26:30
  the messaging. And not just because of the set
• 26:33
  dressing of it, not necessarily because they're putting drawing
• 26:39
  giant stars on their eyes. And like, that's trendy not like
• 26:42
  it's if we're talking about the way that it's aged, it's aged
• 26:47
  terribly in that respect. But, you know, I think it's, I
• 26:52
  think it's cute. I think it's feel good.
• 26:56
  I agree with that sentiment of the cuteness and the message.
• 27:01
  And I understand why people like that.
• 27:04
  And why people might gravitate towards a feel-good thing of
• 27:07
  like, if you work hard, you will get the results that you're
• 27:09
  after kind of thing. I understand that, for me, I
• 27:12
  guess the problem lies with the fact that when we watch movies
• 27:16
  or listen to music or watch a kdrama, there's something about,
• 27:20
  we're all looking for that. Suspension of disbelief moment,
• 27:23
  we want to be transported to that moment.
• 27:26
  And forget that like you are living in 2023 and you know
• 27:30
  whatever is happening in the world wherever you are and
• 27:33
  geographically speaking. I was not able to do that
• 27:36
  because of all the other things that were happening at all
• 27:39
  times. Everytime jyp came on the screen
• 27:42
  suspension of disbelief over like you know like it was it was
• 27:48
  every time that I was trying to kind of just like give it a
• 27:51
  chance and get wrapped into the storyline, something would
• 27:55
  happen. Either the sound mixing or the
• 27:58
  shots or the cinema, something that I was just like, why is
• 28:02
  this a thing? And I also I mean I think just
• 28:05
  to give it I guess a couple of positive spins here and there
• 28:08
  the first three to four episodes are really badly shot, but it
• 28:12
  gets better like the filming gets better after the fourth or
• 28:16
  fifth episode. Those kinds of things improve.
• 28:19
  And obviously, the chemistry of the cast is a whole also
• 28:21
  improves as the as the show goes.
• 28:25
  And I have to Say suhyun's acting.
• 28:27
  Like I wish there was like maybe two or three things that kept me
• 28:30
  alive. While I was watching the show,
• 28:33
  one of them, was two hands acting.
• 28:34
  Like he is incredible. I started looking into all of
• 28:37
  his life and like II, the usual Obsession that kind of grows in
• 28:41
  me when I start liking someone from Astro, or from a, like,
• 28:45
  music or anything happen only with him, I already like text
• 28:48
  icon already know stuff about him, I use same.
• 28:51
  But from this show, he was the only one that I was like, I want
• 28:54
  to know more and I want to know What else has happened with
• 28:56
  them? And what other works he's done
• 28:58
  because I need to watch more of him.
• 29:00
  Hmm. So I guess that's my thing.
• 29:02
  Is just the quality of the shoe and all the other elements that
• 29:08
  are usually, therefore either comedy or just keeping it light
• 29:12
  didn't really work for me and that's my thing.
• 29:15
  Yeah. Yeah no suspension of disbelief
• 29:18
  for me. Absolutely you're absolutely
• 29:20
  right and hitting it on the head of especially with jyp in the
• 29:24
  show How do I put this? I girl, I have thoughts.
• 29:31
  I mean, let's talk about it because jyp is first of all, the
• 29:36
  drama is co-produced by Bae yong-joon ski East and jyp of
• 29:42
  jyp entertainment, Park jinyoung.
• 29:45
  And then he also acts as like the music director for like the
• 29:51
  large swaths of the show. Bae yong-joon, I don't know.
• 29:56
  If you and I can have a face to go with any, that's my Oppa for
• 30:00
  life of. Yes him, I needed more of him in
• 30:02
  the show. They took him away.
• 30:03
  He was like the only good thing that they had going for me and
• 30:06
  bro. So I forgot completely that.
• 30:09
  I had this other dude, come in and he was like the principal
• 30:12
  and like chairman of this Kirin Art School or whatever and then
• 30:17
  he like completely takes himself off the playing board and he's
• 30:20
  gone, you never see him again in the show.
• 30:23
  This is the male lead from the iconic.
• 30:26
  Her Sonata drama if you, if you've seen that drama in the
• 30:31
  kdrama. So for him to be in the show and
• 30:35
  then this was his first show in three years.
• 30:39
  So this one ramanujan not seeing this guy for like three years
• 30:42
  and then all of a sudden he shows up at Dream, High for like
• 30:45
  45 episodes and then just like, fuck sake.
• 30:48
  Even bro, that's all the budget covered for honest.
• 30:51
  Yeah, it's giving that it's giving we had.
• 30:53
  But yeah, so bring this huge star for two.
• 30:56
  Episodes. And that's it.
• 30:57
  Yeah, so he was a co-producer on the on Dream High and then jyp
• 31:04
  obviously was heavily involved. They like the winter Sonata guy,
• 31:11
  or whatever, for lack of a better term.
• 31:13
  If you guys can't lie, don't have a face, the winter, Sonata
• 31:16
  male lead guy, he was creative producer on the on Dream High,
• 31:20
  he provided the overall concept the goals, the ideas and then
• 31:24
  jyp came in and compose the music.
• 31:26
  Zurich and choreographed the dance for the series.
• 31:28
  So it down you can freaking tell that this is what happened, you
• 31:35
  know, like he's jyp the influence that he had on the
• 31:41
  show behind the scenes. Great not taking anything away
• 31:45
  from that him in front of the camera I'm like offended.
• 31:48
  Like to this day, I The fact that he put himself in the drama
• 31:55
  it's has like awful. It's like heavily the fact that
• 31:59
  he just did a like a little mini tour in the state's.
• 32:01
  It's like his delusion has not worn off but he can't do certain
• 32:05
  things that he really shouldn't try in the first place.
• 32:09
  But really it's like, you know, it felt at some point and I if
• 32:12
  he were more self-aware, which I don't think he is based on the
• 32:16
  fact that he even did a show and in New York and California, the
• 32:19
  fact that he It almost felt like he was doing a caricature of
• 32:23
  himself like yeah, like a self-deprecating character that
• 32:28
  kind of played on the stereotypes that people had of
• 32:31
  him at the time, you know. So it's like, oh, maybe he's,
• 32:34
  like, in on the joke. No, like it, just as a show
• 32:38
  evolved. And as he did more things, I'm
• 32:39
  like the amount of airtime and screen time, that was dedicated
• 32:43
  to his dance sequence and his singing.
• 32:46
  It's like Mama. Pull the plug someone, turn the
• 32:49
  camera off. Yeah, please, it's not.
• 32:51
  Not good. It.
• 32:52
  Yeah, it wreaked of him being like an extreme narcissist and
• 32:57
  couldn't give the Limelight to these kids who are his own true.
• 33:02
  A lot of them were his own trainees, his discover them
• 33:05
  like, or nurtured them, or whatever debut them out of jyp
• 33:10
  entertainment and still, he decides to be in the drama, and
• 33:13
  this was his acting debut. It wasn't like he was an
• 33:15
  established actor. Anything this was the first time
• 33:18
  you ever see jyp in a show Tara he said coach the coach put me
• 33:24
  in and he put himself in as what happened.
• 33:27
  It's a new kind of see like a tech and the rest of the actors.
• 33:33
  Like as much as they were trying to do good acting, they would
• 33:36
  break any time. He was on the screen because
• 33:38
  they just could see the full of shit.
• 33:40
  And I was like, just coming through their, their suspension,
• 33:43
  of disbelief also was not working right random and I said,
• 33:46
  yeah, it felt it felt to me, personally, I have now an
• 33:54
  obsession with understanding the behind the scenes of the inner
• 33:58
  workings of the Kpop industry and knowing what I know now and
• 34:01
  knowing what I know of jyp. And knowing, you know, the
• 34:04
  mismanagement of the group's, I'm his agency in general, to
• 34:08
  not name any group specifically. But most importantly, Got7, and
• 34:12
  my heart. Seeing him on the show.
• 34:16
  Felt like he was on this kind of redemption tour and trying to
• 34:20
  portray Himself thinking that people would believe that thing
• 34:24
  as this like good director Company, CEO person that always
• 34:29
  wanted to look for the talent and it doesn't matter.
• 34:32
  The looks. All that matters is the hard
• 34:34
  work and this is and I'm just like you cannot be more full of
• 34:37
  shit. Like you get off my TV right
• 34:39
  now, you know, that was something that came up.
• 34:43
  That was something that came up in the comments section of a few
• 34:45
  tick tocks that I posted was that people were saying, jyp is
• 34:49
  such a hypocrite and like, I absolutely 100% get it because
• 34:54
  if you watch the show, the way that his characters crafted is,
• 34:58
  he's like an advocate for the kids, and for their talent and
• 35:02
  it doesn't matter what you look like.
• 35:04
  It doesn't matter that I use pills.
• 35:06
  Look is overweight. It doesn't matter.
• 35:08
  She has the talent. She has the voice.
• 35:11
  She can make it in the industry. You shouldn't be trying to
• 35:13
  change these kids. They're good the way they are.
• 35:17
  And like all of that messaging that's tied into His character
• 35:21
  is being this like righteous. You know, holier-than-thou
• 35:26
  person is flies right in the face of everything that he
• 35:31
  stands for and has built under jyp entertainment.
• 35:35
  And all of the changes that he's made to his lineup of trainees,
• 35:42
  and debut debut. I don't dip debutantes or
• 35:45
  whatever all the groups that he's launched.
• 35:47
  And the, the artist that he's Third and stuff like that.
• 35:52
  Sure he's probably doing a lot of good, but yes, he's done a
• 35:54
  fuck ton of harm and has created that system that they're trying
• 36:00
  to rail against with his character in Dream High.
• 36:03
  So I can understand why people are upset, not necessarily that
• 36:07
  he's just a bad actor. The characters shoehorned into
• 36:10
  her wise jyp and his own fucking show.
• 36:13
  The fact that he's also like, spewing all of this.
• 36:16
  Revisionist nonsense is also deeply offensive.
• 36:21
  Yeah, I think we know who you are and he was trying to sell
• 36:24
  this thing to us, but he wasn't bad.
• 36:26
  And it's just now even more offensive like ten plus years
• 36:29
  later that it's only gone worse, right?
• 36:32
  Right. And with, In the show you could
• 36:35
  see who his favorite were like the fact that he included.
• 36:41
  Susie, he included Justice two members from 2 p.m. like you
• 36:45
  could tell that he was trying to sell specifically.
• 36:50
  Yeah, mostly Susie. But then like, you know, threw
• 36:53
  in some 2 p.m. members, just to kind of like mmm, Yeah, not look
• 36:59
  so bad. I guess it's a commercial for
• 37:01
  jyp entertainment and that's what's unnerving.
• 37:06
  About the whole thing is that you can't like divorce yourself
• 37:11
  from the concept of jyp's, not just trying to Rebrand himself,
• 37:17
  only a few years into what 2nd gen Kpop, but he's also trying
• 37:21
  to introduce audiences and have sort of like a Groundswell
• 37:26
  effect for these artists that. He's launching that are just a
• 37:30
  few years into their career and might not be household names.
• 37:35
  Like they are now like I feel like Tech and Suzy and Kim
• 37:38
  Soo-hyun like all these people and I you like don't literally
• 37:41
  hi. These are household names now
• 37:43
  maybe in part because of Dream High.
• 37:45
  But mostly because they just they're amazing.
• 37:48
  Like they have the talent, they have the giftings of someone
• 37:52
  that was going to go far in the first place and I don't know if
• 37:55
  we should think jyp necessarily. For, or if we should still like,
• 38:00
  you know, shit on him. But like honestly it is quite a,
• 38:04
  an experience to watch Dream High knowing what, you know now,
• 38:08
  and knowing how their careers, turned out.
• 38:10
  Everyone's careers, I'm not gonna go as far as thanking him.
• 38:13
  I'll say even a broken clock is right, twice a day, and this far
• 38:16
  as I'm gonna go with giving him any sort of credit for anything.
• 38:20
  Hmm. So I'm so glad that we talked
• 38:24
  about the dyp of it all. Get out of the way, so we, yeah.
• 38:28
  Yeah, Glenn's are focused on after other things.
• 38:30
  Yeah. So why mention Kim soohyun.
• 38:33
  He is the only member of the ensemble cast who was not an
• 38:37
  idol. In still, is not an idle.
• 38:39
  Never was part of a group or anything but he did train for
• 38:44
  three months at jyp entertainment, in order to
• 38:47
  portray this role. Well and kind of hone in on his
• 38:51
  singing and dancing. So that's a very admirable to go
• 38:56
  three months. I mean, I don't know if they put
• 38:59
  him through like the ringer necessarily but you know, I'm
• 39:02
  sure that it was difficult. Difficult thing.
• 39:09
  Do you guys have anything to else?
• 39:10
  Adds? I have a little more fun facts
• 39:12
  about the show. No, okay.
• 39:15
  So like I said before, I was really the drift of the show was
• 39:18
  popular, especially popular among teenagers and the average
• 39:22
  viewership ratings were about 15.7% during its two-month run.
• 39:26
  And I don't know if you got Around to watching this, I
• 39:28
  didn't have time to watch the special episode episode 17.
• 39:32
  I watched a chunk of it, unfortunately.
• 39:33
  Dead. Okay.
• 39:35
  Couldn't couldn't bring myself to do it.
• 39:37
  Not the first time not the second time we're making faces
• 39:49
  here, guys. Yeah.
• 39:52
  So the cast of the show performed in a special concert
• 39:56
  in Seoul and that was aired, the After the series ended and
• 39:59
  that's episode 17. I have to this day.
• 40:02
  I don't think I've ever watched episode Just Clips here and
• 40:06
  there, but not well, produced, two home surprised.
• 40:09
  Nobody's it's not like the, you know, the games and stuff,
• 40:12
  there's awkwardness. There's just it's not good.
• 40:14
  I watch like maybe 20 minutes of it because once the show ended,
• 40:18
  I was like, did I really am like this?
• 40:19
  Like this is it like there's no, like nothing else.
• 40:21
  That's that's where you're gonna have, like, whatever?
• 40:23
  I'm like you guys thought through this.
• 40:25
  Like I sat through it and this is how you're going to freaking
• 40:28
  I like pay me back kind of thing.
• 40:30
  So, at some point I was like, I can't, so I stopped.
• 40:33
  Yeah, okay. Well, fair enough, I kind of had
• 40:36
  the same feeling when I was like, you know what?
• 40:38
  This is that's enough. Do I need to watch episode 17?
• 40:41
  No, I don't think I do. It's not required reading, but
• 40:46
  like I said, that the show did pretty well, like when it aired
• 40:50
  and it won a bunch of KBS drama awards, like best supporting
• 40:54
  actress for Eun Ji. Best new actor, in popularity,
• 40:59
  award for Kim Soo-hyun, best new actress for Bae Suzy.
• 41:03
  Well, I will say the second reason.
• 41:05
  So, the first thing that kept me alive, was suing on the second
• 41:08
  thing was even, geez acting, like I loved her, I hate who she
• 41:13
  became at the end of the show. She actually had like all the
• 41:16
  substance. I was like the evil stepmother
• 41:19
  teacher person and then love. I don't know when she became
• 41:24
  this. Like something good is
• 41:26
  happening, and I'm just going to cry.
• 41:28
  I 45 minutes for no. Absolute like reason, and the
• 41:31
  whole like clipping in the flower thing on.
• 41:33
  Oh, yeah. Oh yeah.
• 41:35
  Oh mama like no. Yeah, this is, she was one of
• 41:39
  the teachers in the show, for those who don't know, she was
• 41:43
  teacher. She and she was like a freaking
• 41:47
  badass, the bad at all the bodies.
• 41:50
  Yes. And her hairstyle was like, kind
• 41:53
  of like slightly before it was cool to do that like hairstyle.
• 41:57
  Yeah. She's like, Ian flag, stop
• 42:03
  before. The can I speak to your manager?
• 42:05
  She had this like, cool. But yeah, and she's been in so
• 42:11
  many shows like princess hours. She was a princess haemyeong.
• 42:16
  She's been in the King. Two hearts, as a cameo, she's
• 42:20
  been in Revolutionary. Love the third charm.
• 42:23
  Extraordinary attorney Wu as jisoo.
• 42:27
  My don't remember that character.
• 42:28
  You guys remember that character?
• 42:29
  I was looking into it too because I saw that pekerman and
• 42:32
  she had like both been on that. Yeah and I was like I don't
• 42:35
  remember her, it doesn't really ring a bell because I was like
• 42:38
  wow what a bad bitch I need to watch more.
• 42:40
  So she was so like a second person that I looked into that I
• 42:43
  wanted to see more of her. I'll tell ya, I think that if
• 42:46
  you watch her in Princess hours, you'll enjoy her character.
• 42:51
  She's like a really strong sweet prince at the completely
• 42:55
  opposite of her. Her character here and Dream
• 42:57
  High, but I think she's wheelchair-bound as long as it's
• 43:00
  like make sense. I just want the character to
• 43:02
  make sense. Oh, you know, it she makes
• 43:04
  sense. And Princess hours, I definitely
• 43:06
  liked her character. She's a pleasure in that.
• 43:09
  So she 14, what was it? Yeah, best supporting actress.
• 43:14
  Best new actress for Bae Suzy best.
• 43:16
  Couple award for Kim Soo-hyun, and Bae Suzy.
• 43:18
  And this is all the KBS drama awards.
• 43:20
  The show was nominated for a bunch more, including a bunch of
• 43:24
  back song Awards. They did not win any better.
• 43:26
  On the wards but they were nominated which is a big deal in
• 43:29
  and of itself. The sequel, like I said, aired a
• 43:33
  year later with a different cast.
• 43:36
  Sorry, Kang soda, got7's JB and jinyoung 2am's jinwoon, Tiaras
• 43:43
  jinyo Jian and sisters, Hulan a lie and park Puck.
• 43:49
  So June like Park seojun was in Dream High 2.
• 43:54
  Start somewhere Dream, High was adapted into a Japanese stage
• 44:01
  Musical. And speaking of musicals, they
• 44:03
  have announced that it's going to be a stage musical in Korea.
• 44:08
  It's supposed to open this year, I don't know if that's still
• 44:11
  happening, if they're working towards that or if it's just
• 44:13
  going to be like surprise here it is.
• 44:16
  But yeah, that's a it's quite a legacy that it has.
• 44:21
  You're not what I wondered while I watched it because the Thing
• 44:24
  that I did talk with loud about is like, she knows that I can't
• 44:29
  do cringe and and and she knew that I wasn't going to like the
• 44:33
  show because of that. So what I wondered in a few
• 44:38
  times like of the moments of the show did have some solid just
• 44:43
  grounding woman's. There is what if it had been
• 44:46
  done in 2022. Uh-huh.
• 44:49
  With love all play treatment like if it had been With that
• 44:55
  writing style with that camera style with that acting style.
• 45:00
  I don't think I would have had such a hard time watching it as
• 45:04
  I as you know, what it was again it's just me because clearly
• 45:08
  like it did well when it when it came out.
• 45:11
  And also I looked for other negative reviews because I felt
• 45:15
  very alone and I was like, I feel like I'm the only person
• 45:18
  who's ever going to say anything negative about the show and I
• 45:20
  was like, I don't want to be cancelled at this point in my
• 45:23
  life. But and I really couldn't find
• 45:25
  any negative reviews. Like, I mean, I'm not going to
• 45:27
  say I look for hours but I look like just briefly.
• 45:30
  Yeah and yeah, I couldn't find anything but I really was
• 45:32
  thinking if that show had been made today with the right
• 45:36
  budget, really? It's a problem and the right
• 45:38
  people. It would have been better.
• 45:41
  I think the people were right, like, the actors are right.
• 45:44
  It was just, they were at the very beginning of their career.
• 45:48
  I did YP was way too involved. So if you take away his grin
• 45:53
  genus and like, I said, give it a whole different, like, backup,
• 45:57
  or like, sauces, it'd be pretty good.
• 46:02
  I think some people wanted in the comments on Tick-Tock.
• 46:06
  People were like, I hope they do this with stray kids.
• 46:09
  Like, do a Dream High, like really targets immediately,
• 46:14
  please. All right, I wanted to bring it
• 46:18
  up and see her reaction. Perfect.
• 46:19
  So, you guys are like hell, no, no, no.
• 46:21
  Um, let our lotta friends who do Like, the commercial acting keep
• 46:26
  straight kids because they're doing great with those.
• 46:28
  I love that for them, they're great for that.
• 46:30
  They have the budget, they can do that, it's got you.
• 46:33
  Yeah, it's not that stray cats can act.
• 46:34
  Just to be clear. I think that they can act.
• 46:37
  I just don't want kdrama heaviness like cringy kdrama
• 46:42
  heaviness on. It was like to give an idea for
• 46:45
  people that are not gonna watch the show ever.
• 46:49
  There is an entire TV Tropes dot-org article on the trope.
• 46:54
  Is that are featured in Dream High which is pretty rare for
• 46:56
  them to do for a kdrama. I played a note about that how
• 47:00
  many tropes like it was. They were so sorry but it was.
• 47:03
  Yeah. Single card with the tropes I
• 47:05
  started scrolling through to see if I could like include any in
• 47:07
  the episode. I was like this is too many
• 47:09
  troops to stay on a single, you know, podcast episode.
• 47:14
  I was like, this is so so many atoms children, swim that a
• 47:19
  character. It's not even like, even like
• 47:21
  more like collectors. Like Niche ones, put on a bus.
• 47:28
  I didn't know that was a Trope and in-universe example
• 47:31
  jinguk's, politician, dad aims to do this, to him, by sending
• 47:34
  him out of the country, out of the country.
• 47:36
  So that no one can find out. He abandoned, his might like,
• 47:38
  that's a put on a bus Trope, thin here, punch a wall tro,
• 47:43
  princess in rags, Trope, I'm telling you, it's endless Master
• 47:48
  of the mixed message Trope, love triangle Trope.
• 47:53
  I mean, I mean It's endless. So I might link that in the show
• 47:56
  notes in case, anybody is interested in seeing every
• 47:59
  single trip, that Dream, High utilized throughout, and I'll
• 48:05
  ask quickly, it's like a like, a novela like eight style is the
• 48:21
  way that it's shot. So maybe, Maybe you like that,
• 48:24
  so maybe you would like, maybe you like it.
• 48:26
  I mean, I didn't like it. I didn't feel any type of way
• 48:29
  about it. My parents would love it.
• 48:31
  They love this type of Novella type that you like, only heirs
• 48:35
  around 4 p.m. or 7:00 p.m., oh, they love it, they love it.
• 48:42
  Yeah, I didn't feel any type of way about it.
• 48:44
  The first time I watched him high this time I was like this
• 48:46
  is unwatchable. But speaking of unwatchable, the
• 48:51
  last topic that I wanted to talk about before we give her scores
• 48:53
  and get into spoilers was Bae Suzy, what did you think of
• 48:57
  basis? He's acting.
• 49:01
  Personally, it wasn't bad, but it was just very, I mean, don't
• 49:06
  get me wrong. Take you on was also kind of
• 49:08
  OneNote, but he was, I love him. So it's like there's no real
• 49:14
  reason but to hers was very just one note throughout.
• 49:19
  And what I did appreciate is the way that she could form.
• 49:22
  These really, really big, big tears that like, rolled down her
• 49:26
  face. I was like, damn girl you
• 49:28
  hydrated. It's like Really big tears.
• 49:32
  I mean, I'm not quite sure if this was her first one.
• 49:36
  I think it might be her first one.
• 49:40
  So you could. I mean, you could just tell that
• 49:42
  they just didn't have a lot of Experience is indeed.
• 49:47
  The first thing that Susie has ever done, ever in her acting
• 49:52
  career. All of them, could cry really
• 49:55
  easily. And that's another note that I
• 49:56
  was positive that I wrote like whatever acting training, they
• 49:59
  received or whatever, trauma they've been to in their lives.
• 50:01
  Like I feel bad for them because of ability to cry on cue.
• 50:04
  All of them was extremely impressive to me, because I'm
• 50:07
  like, I'm like, I know actors are trained for this, but even
• 50:10
  this level of crying, I was very surprised with her.
• 50:13
  I will tell you and this is about the character not about
• 50:16
  Susie, so please no one. Come for me.
• 50:18
  What I wrote from episode one, at the end was no redeeming
• 50:21
  qualities of than a sad story complete.
• 50:23
  Oh bitch, I hate her like that kind of person who just like is
• 50:27
  entitled to, like, everyone give me my flowers just cuz I exist.
• 50:31
  Like, I don't, I don't like those characters at all.
• 50:34
  And the fact that at the end of the story, they tried to make
• 50:37
  sense of it of like oh she's just a clone of her dad and
• 50:39
  that's why she's the way she is. Oh, true also doesn't math as a
• 50:44
  reason for being the way she was, as far as Susie's acting it
• 50:48
  gave Kristen Stewart with like, oh, this is the face that I make
• 50:52
  when I'm sad and this is the That I make when I'm happy and
• 50:54
  whatever like it tried, they tried to make a comedic but I
• 50:59
  wasn't really even at the end when she had transformed and now
• 51:02
  she was like, actually like allowing herself to feel things.
• 51:05
  It wasn't really there for me. So I okay was not a fan of her
• 51:09
  first acting job, but I'm looking forward to seeing what
• 51:12
  she's done more recently. The only acting part where I was
• 51:16
  like, okay, I believe it was not the only one, but one that's
• 51:20
  really stuck to me was oh, but this is Ehlers.
• 51:24
  Okay, you know what will say that for spoilers?
• 51:26
  I will just say my general thoughts about will jump right
• 51:30
  back into Susie after spoilers. But my general thought on her
• 51:34
  acting in this was that I was Atrocious.
• 51:41
  I thought I thought she was atrocious and like coming back
• 51:46
  to it. After seeing seeing other Susie
• 51:48
  performances, I'm like either she's improved or she's done a
• 51:53
  really good job of hiding how bad she is at acting by being in
• 51:59
  great dramas. Mmm, because dramas better than
• 52:02
  she is watching her, but I had heard so many good things about
• 52:05
  her, I think Also came in with pretty high expectations.
• 52:09
  So the shock and the fall was even harder for me when I
• 52:12
  watched the acting here. So and we'll was sad for me, is
• 52:16
  that I could see glimpses of other characters and other
• 52:19
  acting performances that she's done since Dream High in Dream
• 52:24
  High. And I'm like, oh no, is it just
• 52:27
  because she's a bad actress and she's sort of like, masking her
• 52:32
  inadequacies very well nowadays. I was like, Thinking my entire
• 52:38
  opinion. Yeah, it's her inexperience
• 52:41
  acting with terrible writing is not good formula.
• 52:45
  True. It's not as she really didn't
• 52:47
  have a lot to work with to be exact because of the bad
• 52:49
  writing. So it was just a bad.
• 52:52
  Yeah, I feel bad. I feel terrible.
• 52:55
  But anyway, what would you give the show out of five Soldier
• 52:58
  bottles? Oh no.
• 53:04
  Realistically like realistically?
• 53:06
  I think just let it fly anything above a to his wrong but just
• 53:14
  for like Nostalgia, I guess a three.
• 53:19
  But like anything above a 2 is wrong.
• 53:22
  In my personal opinion, I'm sorry Tyson.
• 53:26
  I actually do like it, but if I have to be like II like the
• 53:31
  drama and like this is the first time that you watched it without
• 53:34
  anything of these, you know conversation.
• 53:36
  Oh the first time I watched it, I knew it was bad but again I
• 53:44
  have this really, really nice. Genre of movies or cage.
• 53:52
  Dramas that I really enjoy the cringe.
• 53:55
  Like the cringer it is the better like sometimes on
• 53:58
  Netflix. I'll watch like the really
• 54:01
  cringey like Teenage stuff without like everyone's like it.
• 54:04
  And I'm like, oh, this is terrible.
• 54:06
  What am I doing? I questioned my whole life but I
• 54:08
  can't stop watching it and this is that.
• 54:11
  So it ranks high in my personal but I know that it's not good.
• 54:16
  You like yeah, does that make sense?
• 54:18
  Like I do? I do understand that completely.
• 54:20
  Yeah, well, okay for me. I had thought about if I wanted
• 54:24
  to get cancelled by reading at a one or if I was going to give it
• 54:27
  a 2 just for Who's Gonna Cancel you?
• 54:30
  I don't know. Girl, I just you know, social
• 54:32
  media makes me think things and I'm just scared of people but
• 54:35
  okay, no I just honestly speaking, I was somewhere
• 54:39
  between A1 and A2 like I'm not going to give it a 1.5.
• 54:42
  I think I could solidly say like for me it's a 1025 unwatchable.
• 54:46
  Would never recommend it to anyone that I like a pretty like
• 54:49
  I respect it. I respect someone I would never
• 54:52
  Be like you should watch stream high?
• 54:53
  Like, no, go on. If you want to know what
• 54:55
  happened going, Wikipedia don't even watch a clip because it's
• 54:58
  not worth it like clips of what the dancing.
• 55:00
  That was terrible. You know okay like it's a 1025 I
• 55:05
  said what I said, cancel me fuck it.
• 55:08
  Oh wow. Okay so for me I think I'm going
• 55:11
  to give it a two and a half if you if I think of it on a good
• 55:16
  day after listening to it like a bunch of to p.m. songs and maybe
• 55:18
  I'll give it a 3 out of 5 for this.
• 55:22
  Nostalgia pure Nostalgia because even after I watched Dream High
• 55:26
  and if you look go back and listen to some other episodes
• 55:29
  Depok, where I talk about Dream High briefly, I'm like it's a
• 55:33
  joke, like it's a joke of a kdrama.
• 55:35
  It's not a true, right? Kdrama.
• 55:39
  It is a tongue-in-cheek. These are Idols.
• 55:45
  It's an idol drama before. Like it was cool to be an idol
• 55:49
  in a drama, you know, nothing. It is worst-case scenario.
• 55:54
  I would say because they're playing to their strengths,
• 55:58
  their playing affects families of themselves.
• 56:01
  And, you know, it's not heavy lifting at all for them.
• 56:06
  So maybe a three on a good day, but really, it's like a two and
• 56:09
  a half. Yeah, I had half out of five, so
• 56:12
  I'll give it five out of five bottles of Soju.
• 56:15
  In terms of, I would have to drink five bottles, to be able
• 56:17
  to you know, just for Or so he owns eyes.
• 56:23
  I'd give it a 5 out of 5. Do you know what the real gets a
• 56:26
  5 out of 5 for me, guess 10 out of five my God.
• 56:31
  So good in this. Oh my God.
• 56:34
  Alright, so we're just we're just about done with the general
• 56:37
  section. We're going to get into spoilers
• 56:40
  right after this. You want to come in.
• 56:50
  All right, we're on the other side of Let's jump back to Susie
• 56:54
  and what allowed are you were talking about?
• 56:57
  This is going to be a bit of a spoiler.
• 56:58
  So why don't you show us the only time that I believed her?
• 57:04
  And this is only because she was literally in her element was
• 57:09
  when one of the exams came up and they had to emote, or sing
• 57:15
  the song with like, emotion when she sang that I believed her
• 57:20
  because she's a Singer and she's literally been training to do
• 57:24
  this. So when she sang it, I was like,
• 57:27
  okay. Like, if you could do this for
• 57:30
  the rest of the look of the like series, it's be great, but it
• 57:34
  was just like a slight little moment where I was like, okay,
• 57:37
  she has potential, but it was just her doing her job.
• 57:41
  So it was a pivotal moment for the character that I was a
• 57:45
  turning point for her. So it showed like she did it.
• 57:48
  Well, she played wounds with. Yeah.
• 57:50
  Yeah. But that's what all right there.
• 57:54
  And I'd have all the emotions looking at talking a face like
• 57:57
  that, like, singing. Well thing, not just that back
• 58:02
  in my chair. Like, um, how do I put this?
• 58:06
  This show is maybe like a Cross between Step Up, High School
• 58:12
  Musical and Camp Rock and the story, super obvious.
• 58:20
  The conflicts are very clear. This drama doesn't do anything,
• 58:24
  terribly new, but it does tap into, like I said before, a lot
• 58:28
  of stuff that's positive about youth dramas or School, dramas.
• 58:32
  And that it's all about feels, it's all about heart.
• 58:36
  And ultimately, the story is a nun.
• 58:39
  About an underdogs, it's an Underdog Story and we can all
• 58:42
  root for underdogs. So the I think in episode 1,
• 58:50
  they teased that there's this artist K whose we're going to
• 58:54
  perform at the Grammys and he's a huge star.
• 58:58
  The first Korean artists to perform at the Grammys and this
• 59:03
  is in 2018 that is the present day.
• 59:09
  I guess that were at the rest of the shows a flashback
• 59:12
  essentially, but did any of you guess who artist K was I, when I
• 59:19
  first watched it, no, I mean not that very end, you realize who
• 59:23
  it is? But no, I didn't.
• 59:26
  Okay, I thought I didn't group, I didn't person.
• 59:30
  So, I at first, it was just giving a lot of like the current
• 59:34
  conversation with like South Korean talent and all the groups
• 59:38
  vying for American attention. So I thought it was like,
• 59:40
  immediately from that, I didn't really like understand on the
• 59:43
  moment until the end that I was a solo person.
• 59:46
  Yeah, I see. Okay, how sick of the pendant
• 59:50
  necklace? Did you get by the end of the
• 59:52
  show? Girl?
• 59:55
  I wanted it. I was like, yo, where's the
• 59:57
  merch? Can I get a pendant?
• 59:59
  Like to be lucky for x amount of time, please?
• 1:00:03
  I thought it was really ugly necklace too.
• 1:00:05
  Disgusting disgusting. It look like a, you know, an
• 1:00:09
  Olympics logo from 1998. Those like stuck in, just
• 1:00:13
  looking up and inform it look like, you know, now when kids
• 1:00:16
  the commercial like your kid can draw an animal and we can bring
• 1:00:20
  it to life, it looked like a director asks, his kids to do
• 1:00:24
  like a Logo. And then they printed it like 3D
• 1:00:27
  prints of it. Uh-huh.
• 1:00:30
  I also thought this was funny that the in episode 1, the
• 1:00:32
  introduced Susie as an opera singer.
• 1:00:35
  Oh awesome. I was like, what literally have
• 1:00:43
  a note that says it's in. Spanish can lick it up.
• 1:00:47
  Susie get account and Oprah, don't know, no, but Kalama, who
• 1:00:53
  would believe she's singing it. She She's it.
• 1:00:55
  Oh my God, it was so bad. It was bad.
• 1:00:58
  Is that? And then she got accepted into
• 1:01:00
  Juilliard, you expect me to believe that I don't.
• 1:01:04
  So that's a question that I had watching this whole drama.
• 1:01:08
  How old are they? So like, how old are they
• 1:01:10
  supposed to be? Like, are they supposed to be
• 1:01:13
  just getting into High School? Are they at the end of high
• 1:01:17
  school? So like Juilliard.
• 1:01:20
  What a 12? Like, no, they have to be tea.
• 1:01:24
  M, I want to say like 17 or 18 years old, which is why they can
• 1:01:28
  be considered freshman because they still have a further two
• 1:01:31
  years before they're considered adults, and they're 20 years old
• 1:01:34
  and out of high school. So, I guess there H is 18 and
• 1:01:38
  going to Juilliard. I guess she doesn't need to
• 1:01:41
  finish her version of high school of the suspension of
• 1:01:45
  disbelief at the end. Also, when like, oh your aunt,
• 1:01:50
  got you a spot of Juilliard. Oh no, that's not how this
• 1:01:52
  works. Like that was terrible.
• 1:01:54
  That's what I'm Saying like the the math wasn't mouthing the,
• 1:01:57
  the eyes weren't daughter. The t's were not crossed like it
• 1:02:00
  was impossible. How they were getting from point
• 1:02:03
  A to point B, every rent of this.
• 1:02:06
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  The aunt had some art that we never see is like going to pay
• 1:02:11
  for her tuition and like, but you got her, the dead disappear
• 1:02:15
  so that this girl didn't have to, like, literally go into it.
• 1:02:19
  No, it's not. It's very confusing.
• 1:02:22
  Overall, did you guys get excited with Kim hyung Young at
• 1:02:25
  the airport in episode 1. He's one of the members is Over,
• 1:02:30
  Flowers F4. Did you get excited?
• 1:02:32
  Yeah, I'm just because just because I I really liked him,
• 1:02:37
  even though I hated the drama, I just liked him.
• 1:02:41
  So, when I, when I saw him I was like, okay, cute.
• 1:02:44
  Don't know why you're there but cute.
• 1:02:46
  Okay, I see ya. Did you recognize him Kathy?
• 1:02:50
  All right, that's fair. His career is basically done.
• 1:02:55
  I don't think he's done anything recent look, you know, but he
• 1:03:00
  was a famous Alum of kid in arts high school and that's how he
• 1:03:06
  looks like shoehorned into the drama.
• 1:03:11
  Very cool though, but Tech gets introduced.
• 1:03:14
  I thought Tech was so cool. Like from day one I was like
• 1:03:18
  text character. Is such a cool dude.
• 1:03:22
  Like he's a bad bad boy archetype but with a heart of
• 1:03:26
  gold and he saves Susie from these Thugs who like water to
• 1:03:31
  pay back her father's debt with her body and because that's a
• 1:03:36
  thing I guess and what is it? He starts jumping over cars and
• 1:03:42
  in slow motion Crazy 88 like being with like 10 people coming
• 1:03:46
  at you and you're like and got all of them.
• 1:03:51
  Yeah. You just doing parkour?
• 1:03:54
  Oh God. Some of the references though
• 1:03:57
  that they do for current K-pop stars or current artists are
• 1:04:04
  like way dated because the debt collector dude who becomes like
• 1:04:08
  a Ally later in the show. He, yeah, he wants to use.
• 1:04:14
  He wants Susie to pay back the debt in by becoming a famous
• 1:04:21
  K-pop artists and debuting. He wants to To be famous like
• 1:04:25
  Iggy OD. And I was like, whoa, that's
• 1:04:28
  like Whiplash because that's a name that you don't even hear
• 1:04:33
  nowadays. Yo, D, you know?
• 1:04:36
  Yeah, it's dated. It's dated, but I don't know
• 1:04:41
  about you guys, but there was some needle drops that like I
• 1:04:43
  did end up listening to after the show finished and one of
• 1:04:48
  them happens in episode 2 where wooyoung is dancing outside of
• 1:04:53
  the audition Hall and the end. Is watching him do this like
• 1:05:01
  weird ass like dance routine? I, what I think weird, it's
• 1:05:04
  just, it's like, dated as hell like it's that's not considered
• 1:05:10
  Stellar dancing by today's standard.
• 1:05:12
  So he's like doing these like really, like, dated America's
• 1:05:21
  Got Talent. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:24
  And go through. He doesn't.
• 1:05:26
  Not go through but we young is dancing to NEOS one in a million
• 1:05:32
  and I was like, oh my God, I love this song.
• 1:05:36
  Like even today Tech, I know usually about the OST at the end
• 1:05:43
  of the. Yeah, the recording.
• 1:05:45
  But that's just like talked about.
• 1:05:47
  The only thing that I was like, you know what, I'm gonna sit
• 1:05:51
  back and enjoy the fact that like, the Star Wars OST is
• 1:05:55
  playing right now, like, why is what?
• 1:05:56
  Are so much John Williams in this show.
• 1:06:00
  I know there are little Wayne 6 ft 7 in this.
• 1:06:04
  So want to know like Neo power. See I get it.
• 1:06:09
  Okay. All right.
• 1:06:10
  Right right right. Yeah.
• 1:06:11
  Oh I go wait six foot seven Star Wars, I don't know.
• 1:06:16
  Cool I had a moment when I don't I don't know what episode this
• 1:06:20
  is but Tech is on like a daytime.
• 1:06:23
  Talk show with his dad because the dad's trying to spin this
• 1:06:26
  This story like oh he's not my biological son, he's my adopted
• 1:06:30
  son whatever because he's an asshole and a politician and
• 1:06:34
  when he's saying this whole excessive story of how he
• 1:06:38
  adopted text character, they're playing the main theme of
• 1:06:44
  Schindler's List about that and I was like what?
• 1:06:52
  I was just taken aback. I was so taken aback because
• 1:06:57
  you're telling me the like sad violin music that you choose to
• 1:07:00
  put behind this. Very fake sob story.
• 1:07:05
  That the dad is giving on daytime television here in the
• 1:07:08
  show is Schindler's like Schindler's List.
• 1:07:13
  Are you kidding? Which is why I was saying like
• 1:07:17
  it's not just Star Wars. John Williams, it's Schindler's
• 1:07:20
  List. John Williams tube in the show.
• 1:07:24
  I mean, that's, I mean, that was a lot.
• 1:07:27
  I just did they get the rights? Like are they paying royalties?
• 1:07:29
  Are they gonna go? I don't know.
• 1:07:32
  That's what I wondered to. I'm like, you can't use the Star
• 1:07:34
  Wars. I'm like, I know they use it for
• 1:07:36
  less than 10 seconds but you can't use like sorry, oops,
• 1:07:38
  that's seriously. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:07:42
  That's where all their money one.
• 1:07:45
  Oh to licensing these songs. Yeah the John Williams stuff
• 1:07:48
  instead of properly warming they're actors.
• 1:07:53
  I was so pissed off. These people were freezing the
• 1:07:56
  whole time. Oh, Swan Lake yeah, that was
• 1:08:02
  another one where they did a whole routine freezing breath.
• 1:08:06
  And the okay, so what we're referring to, for those who
• 1:08:09
  haven't watched the show in her, in the spoiler section, But
• 1:08:12
  entire show was shot during the winter.
• 1:08:15
  It's a winter show through and through and they apparently
• 1:08:19
  evidently had zero Heating in any of the production.
• 1:08:23
  And so you see their breath throughout the show every actor
• 1:08:28
  when they're breathing when they're talking you see their
• 1:08:30
  breath and it's unnerving that all your entire production was
• 1:08:35
  it in freezing temperatures and they're dressing.
• 1:08:39
  These they're wearing miniskirts are worrying.
• 1:08:42
  Little clothing little Blazers and that's it.
• 1:08:47
  Like the only one that was okay. Was, I you because she had a fat
• 1:08:49
  suit for half. Literally I, oh, my God.
• 1:08:53
  Everyone else was struggling. Let's talk about.
• 1:08:55
  Hey, cuties you years where? Oh my God, they were so they and
• 1:09:02
  body inside the building than and the outside.
• 1:09:05
  See ya? I got bronchitis from watching
• 1:09:09
  the show. Horrible horrible.
• 1:09:14
  All of them guts, super sick. That's like it was terrible.
• 1:09:22
  It was very distracting as well. Are we watching real?
• 1:09:26
  Like I don't care what they're saying.
• 1:09:28
  That girls freezing freezing your ass off like Jenna of
• 1:09:31
  disbelief? Yeah yeah.
• 1:09:34
  So let's talk about IU in the fat suit.
• 1:09:36
  Now when I first of all, when I originally watched the show I
• 1:09:40
  had no idea who I you was. So when they started, removing
• 1:09:44
  the fat suit and the Prosthetics on her face and stuff, I was
• 1:09:48
  shocked at how beautiful this random like woman was, I was
• 1:09:53
  like this girl is stunning and her voice is amazing.
• 1:09:56
  This was my introduction to. I you what did you guys feel
• 1:10:00
  about IU in the fat suit and her whole characterization and how
• 1:10:04
  the cast are not cast but how the other characters treated her
• 1:10:09
  throughout the show? I hated every second of it.
• 1:10:13
  Yeah. Like, the fat suit was horribly
• 1:10:16
  made like they only it wasn't a fat suit.
• 1:10:20
  They just took her leggings or whatever.
• 1:10:22
  She was wearing them and then patted them but they patted it
• 1:10:25
  like horrible. Like it would not have gone well
• 1:10:28
  in like drag race like it was just terrible.
• 1:10:31
  Terrible terrible. He's like lumpy and like weird
• 1:10:34
  and then it stopped at the knees.
• 1:10:35
  They didn't go all the way up the thighs.
• 1:10:38
  So it was just like Really really like bulb Louis like
• 1:10:43
  lower part of the leg and then like super skinny, super skinny
• 1:10:47
  thighs. And it was just, it was I, I
• 1:10:51
  hated every second she had started losing weight even
• 1:10:58
  though she was like, still eating a lot, but it was like
• 1:11:01
  they just took off the face Prosthetics, but her brother was
• 1:11:04
  the same, right, right. And then the storyline it.
• 1:11:08
  So I mean the only thing that I I like didn't hate and I was
• 1:11:11
  okay props to them was like okay she lost the weight after the
• 1:11:15
  200 days or whatever and then Jason was trying to like get
• 1:11:20
  something out of her and she's like actually I just realized
• 1:11:22
  that you were trash. So like by, oh my God, that was
• 1:11:25
  like that too. The children who wears a fedora
• 1:11:41
  like this over one. I gotta hit it that Fedora and
• 1:11:48
  the Bad English. Like the bad pronunciation, I
• 1:11:50
  think I heard that Tech was helping him with his English
• 1:11:53
  pronunciation. But I was like, wow, do
• 1:11:55
  something about that? I'm like, the irony of like,
• 1:11:57
  Tech, actually speaking English, but they didn't put them on that
• 1:11:59
  role, but they put Young on that role of the police.
• 1:12:02
  Anything makes sense. Do you know?
• 1:12:05
  I thought, I didn't think much of the English the first time I
• 1:12:09
  Watched it of Jason's English, but on this watch I was like
• 1:12:14
  he's terrible. Like, it's terrible
• 1:12:16
  pronunciation. Yeah.
• 1:12:18
  He's trying though. There's always led into the
• 1:12:24
  thing of why he started out basically like only speaking
• 1:12:28
  English and no one could understand him but he speaks
• 1:12:30
  perfect Korean and he has a sister named Julie but like
• 1:12:33
  Jason and Julie. So like do you have an American
• 1:12:35
  mom? Like what is the tsys?
• 1:12:37
  Like we were got it. Exactly understood.
• 1:12:39
  Why? Why they don't care.
• 1:12:40
  I mean, it's my villain origin story and I think it's why
• 1:12:44
  Jason. Who is Jason?
• 1:12:45
  Tell us who he is. What was I talking about?
• 1:12:50
  Oh, I use. So.
• 1:12:52
  Are you in the fat suit? I think it's really sad because
• 1:12:58
  the show doesn't do such a good job of providing a or refuting
• 1:13:06
  like this that phobia. The teachers are the ones that
• 1:13:11
  tell her like you got, you got to lose weight.
• 1:13:14
  And what was the teacher was? She was saying, like, you should
• 1:13:17
  eat breakfast like a queen and lunch like a whatever.
• 1:13:20
  And then my whole life growing up by the way.
• 1:13:22
  Yeah, it's a common everyday of my life advice for people if you
• 1:13:29
  want to lose weight weight like don't eat a large dinner, eat a
• 1:13:32
  large breakfast and whatever and I just feel like it's just
• 1:13:37
  perpetuating this terrible cycle.
• 1:13:39
  Kle of, you know, self-loathing and self-hatred that she ends up
• 1:13:45
  talking briefly about towards the end of the show where she
• 1:13:48
  was. Like, if I continue down this
• 1:13:50
  road, trying to be an idol and trying to get famous, they're
• 1:13:55
  just going to dig up these photos of me when I was fat.
• 1:13:58
  And I was happy when I was fat, I loved my life when I was fat,
• 1:14:02
  I was I didn't hate myself in the slightest and they're going
• 1:14:06
  to make me hate myself. That was cute and I was like,
• 1:14:11
  that's a lot, that's a nice. An incredibly nuanced take on,
• 1:14:17
  you know, being overweight in this in an industry, that just
• 1:14:21
  will not support that and the way that she ends up at the end
• 1:14:25
  of the show, which is, I don't know if you guys liked it or
• 1:14:27
  hated it or had no feelings toward it.
• 1:14:29
  But she ends up being like, an elementary school or preschool
• 1:14:32
  teacher teacher. Yeah.
• 1:14:34
  And she's singing to the students that's like her Outlet.
• 1:14:37
  Her musical Outlet is just to like sing to her.
• 1:14:39
  A little students and she's gained back some weight.
• 1:14:43
  Not like how she was with the beginning with the Prosthetics
• 1:14:46
  but she's gained back, some of some weight, and she's still
• 1:14:50
  semi dating Jason, I guess I don't even know what's going on
• 1:14:54
  there. But I think the way that they
• 1:14:59
  handled the relationship between her and Jason turned out to be a
• 1:15:02
  plus for me because Jason ended up liking her when she was fat.
• 1:15:10
  And the photo that he had on his phone background was her with
• 1:15:14
  all of the Prosthetics. And when she was at her
• 1:15:16
  heaviest, and I was like, that's something right.
• 1:15:20
  The American thing, he had to literally only thing that makes
• 1:15:25
  sense, right? I wish they had written it
• 1:15:28
  better. I guess.
• 1:15:29
  When, because he'd rejected her when she confessed her feelings
• 1:15:34
  and she was still overweight. So I was like I think that was a
• 1:15:39
  mess. I think he should have
• 1:15:40
  definitely done more, I guess. Romantically when she was
• 1:15:44
  overweight, then suddenly 200 days later and she starved
• 1:15:47
  herself to be. I you now suddenly he wants the
• 1:15:53
  confession out of her. I agree.
• 1:15:55
  But I say, I don't know. If I was the only one who liked
• 1:15:58
  saw it this way when he, like she was the one that offered,
• 1:16:02
  she's like, give me 200 days and I'll be, yeah.
• 1:16:03
  Wait, yeah. Yeah, he didn't.
• 1:16:05
  He knew that? It was like, the commercial
• 1:16:07
  like, right? Play so I thought like he was
• 1:16:10
  like, okay fine, lose the weight but it wasn't for him.
• 1:16:13
  It was no, it was for the better for the music.
• 1:16:15
  Exactly. It was for her career, liked it
• 1:16:18
  liked I liked it. Wasn't he wasn't at by, don't
• 1:16:20
  know if he wasn't expecting her to actually go through with it.
• 1:16:22
  I'm like lose the weight but I, at least appreciated that he
• 1:16:27
  really had no selfish interest there.
• 1:16:30
  He just wanted her to get her flowers.
• 1:16:33
  Yes, absolutely. Yeah, he was sort of tricking
• 1:16:37
  her into Losing weight so that she could further her career and
• 1:16:41
  get credit where she deserved credit, because they were
• 1:16:43
  stealing her voice like Singing in the Rain Styles.
• 1:16:46
  So I like ended up liking Jason as a character.
• 1:16:51
  I thought he had, you know, a lot of these characters had
• 1:16:55
  major growth throughout the series and Jason's one of them.
• 1:16:58
  I you I don't think she necessarily changed throughout
• 1:17:01
  the show, her character sort of say the same.
• 1:17:03
  She was very sweet and Just a lovely sort of character who
• 1:17:09
  loved herself if she was fat or skinny or whatever which is
• 1:17:14
  powerful, I thought that was powerful.
• 1:17:15
  That's what I said that it was cute when you mention the
• 1:17:17
  speech, like the fact that she said like I was happy then
• 1:17:20
  that's a powerful thing that I don't think we get to hear often
• 1:17:23
  on TV. People actually like being happy
• 1:17:26
  and accepting themselves when they're not at the weight that
• 1:17:28
  everyone wants them to be. Hmm.
• 1:17:30
  That was a I think it would have been even more powerful in the
• 1:17:33
  long run. If I use appearance sort of
• 1:17:36
  changed over time, Time. Right?
• 1:17:38
  She still looks exactly like she did in the show.
• 1:17:43
  She still is sort of ageless she's still super skinny and I
• 1:17:48
  don't know if there's any truth to this.
• 1:17:49
  I remember hearing some people like on Tick-Tock trying to
• 1:17:52
  trying to do the IU diet, which is like a sweet potato and a
• 1:17:57
  carrot or something like that. It was like something wild.
• 1:18:00
  Like, she basically doesn't eat that sounds about, right?
• 1:18:03
  And I was like, so then I'm like, this is like Not not that
• 1:18:09
  she necessarily needs to believe the message that she puts forth
• 1:18:13
  in any of the dramas or movies that she does, but it would be
• 1:18:17
  really nice if she just ate like a regular person wasn't eating
• 1:18:22
  sweet but to do sweet potatoes, a day or whatever it is.
• 1:18:25
  No idle eats like a normal person.
• 1:18:27
  It's sad. It's so sad.
• 1:18:29
  Like literally. No.
• 1:18:31
  I don't eat like a normal person.
• 1:18:32
  When did you see them when we see?
• 1:18:34
  Like, the biggest evidence is, when any of them go to the
• 1:18:36
  military like know. Jin just posted a picture, not
• 1:18:38
  to make everything about Idols all the time.
• 1:18:40
  But he just posted its entire drama and it's like oh they're
• 1:18:43
  eating three times a day and they look like a normal person.
• 1:18:46
  Every like BTS is one of the idol groups that tend to talk
• 1:18:50
  about dieting and starving themselves more than other
• 1:18:54
  groups do. And most of them eat one meal a
• 1:18:57
  day. If if, at all like they say
• 1:19:00
  specifically, like today is no food day.
• 1:19:03
  Like today, I only had a protein shake, they're all like to get
• 1:19:07
  there. Little jaw looks and everything
• 1:19:09
  they don't eat like any normal person.
• 1:19:12
  So I'm not surprised that if I if you told me, I you eats three
• 1:19:16
  little, like things of grass I would be like.
• 1:19:18
  Yeah, that makes sense. I don't not.
• 1:19:20
  Yeah. So who is the person that I was
• 1:19:24
  just talking to somebody about the oh ray rain.
• 1:19:26
  So I was talking to somebody about rain because rain is still
• 1:19:31
  keeping up, his insane physique. He's incredibly fit and I think
• 1:19:36
  he's still just eats one meal a day.
• 1:19:37
  Day. Yeah you call one like large
• 1:19:39
  meal a day famously eats only one meal a day.
• 1:19:42
  Like the most of the people will talk about this openly because
• 1:19:46
  for them Eating Disorders are normal, right?
• 1:19:49
  And that way. So yeah, it's it's incredibly
• 1:19:53
  disheartening like Kai talks about it a lot.
• 1:19:56
  He says to all his fans he's like you guys need to eat not
• 1:20:02
  like us because we don't eat correctly.
• 1:20:05
  If this wasn't my job, I would eat like Normal person, but
• 1:20:09
  because I chose this life, I have to eat the way that I have
• 1:20:12
  to to maintain the body but you guys shouldn't follow what we do
• 1:20:17
  because it's not good. You know, they did say that in
• 1:20:20
  the show, I think. One of the teachers was like,
• 1:20:22
  you know, part of this career or part of this job is maintaining
• 1:20:26
  this look right. And if everyone could do it then
• 1:20:32
  they would but not everyone can do it.
• 1:20:34
  So that's why people respect and admire this sort of Of
• 1:20:37
  aspirational, look that you project as a KPop star and I was
• 1:20:42
  like, okay cool. So we're just going to starve
• 1:20:44
  people and create Eating Disorders, left and right just
• 1:20:48
  to maintain up. Prop up this industry and I'm
• 1:20:51
  like I'm like this is all problematic, right?
• 1:20:53
  Like nothing is is okay about idolizing these people that look
• 1:21:00
  like this? When what do they have to do to
• 1:21:02
  create this isn't natural, you know.
• 1:21:05
  And I'm sure a lot of girls especially because you're my
• 1:21:07
  Mentioned earlier like the, they had a heavy demographic of
• 1:21:10
  teenagers watching the show back there.
• 1:21:12
  Yeah. Tried the diet that I use
• 1:21:14
  character did because they kind of showed some sketches on TV of
• 1:21:17
  like the food that she would eat in the morning and right night,
• 1:21:21
  I'm sure many girls tried it themselves, just to get the same
• 1:21:25
  results kind of thing and it's just not healthy for the society
• 1:21:29
  as a whole. But Korea is not there yet, not
• 1:21:32
  yet. Do you know, I My sister has a
• 1:21:36
  friend or an acquaintance, who is Asian and she said that she
• 1:21:41
  was a trainee. And I when my sister told me
• 1:21:43
  that I was like, oh fuck like what did she?
• 1:21:45
  What was the group that she was possibly going to be in?
• 1:21:47
  And they were she was like, she said that she was going to be an
• 1:21:50
  SNSD Girls Generation allows like you're fucking joking.
• 1:21:54
  So the reason why she quit was because they wanted her to get a
• 1:21:59
  bunch of plastic surgery, but on top of that, she is on the
• 1:22:03
  normal side as far as Height, I guess she's like 54 so and they
• 1:22:07
  wanted her to get leg extension surgery, which is a major
• 1:22:11
  freaking surgery for her to get a little more height for her to
• 1:22:16
  be taller. And she was like, now I'm
• 1:22:18
  tapping out, like, I'm not doing that and I was like, are you
• 1:22:22
  kidding? Like even?
• 1:22:23
  I didn't think to that effect. Oh no, they would go.
• 1:22:27
  Yeah, so I was I mean what other podcast episode?
• 1:22:32
  Can I talk about this crazy story?
• 1:22:35
  But, yeah, I was like insane. What are we here?
• 1:22:38
  Nothing is really surprising. When it comes to like agencies,
• 1:22:42
  and the lens idle Idols will go to.
• 1:22:44
  And I had seen recently, some, I guess, Wes tarnish, interviewer
• 1:22:50
  went to some K-pop group. Like, I don't know if their
• 1:22:52
  trainees or what they are, like a girl group to interview them
• 1:22:56
  at their dorms, and I don't know why they ended up opening the
• 1:22:58
  fridge. And it was only eggs and chicken
• 1:23:02
  like eggs and chicken breast. Like, they don't have they can
• 1:23:05
  Not cheat because they don't have a way to cheat and get
• 1:23:07
  food. Like they genuinely, don't,
• 1:23:09
  they're not afforded, they're not given because they live on
• 1:23:12
  the stipend of the company. So, whatever they're allowed to
• 1:23:14
  buy, like they don't really have money of their own.
• 1:23:17
  So, eating is not a priority. And plastic surgery is literally
• 1:23:22
  for everyone, and they have to just do these crazy things,
• 1:23:25
  because they get brainwashed into thinking that this is the
• 1:23:27
  only way that they'll succeed, right, and that they have to do
• 1:23:30
  these things. So it doesn't truly, like, I
• 1:23:34
  don't discuss It is closed, which is why, which is why going
• 1:23:38
  back to our non-spoiler section. We were so pissed about jyp
• 1:23:43
  being. So the champion of, yeah, of the
• 1:23:47
  kids that, you know, I should get all the awards based on
• 1:23:52
  their talent and nothing about looks and nothing about this.
• 1:23:56
  Yeah, shut up. Like get out.
• 1:23:57
  The Justin has current lineup of groups it see.
• 1:24:02
  Oh my God! They're everywhere.
• 1:24:05
  Time. I look at them, I it just makes
• 1:24:08
  me like my whole like stomach and like everything just starts
• 1:24:12
  to like, flip over and do a bunch of things because there's
• 1:24:16
  no way, there's no way like there's zero like muscle like,
• 1:24:21
  no, well, body fat in general, but like like these girls are
• 1:24:25
  like like skin on bone like because, you know, it's a
• 1:24:29
  contrast to see twice because twice, actually, like they look
• 1:24:32
  more normal and they look like they have Have meat on them and
• 1:24:36
  they are not seemingly at least like starving, but it see.
• 1:24:40
  Looks like they're starving like the, the clavicles like that
• 1:24:45
  hallowed like faces. It's not good.
• 1:24:48
  The city did not good. The hit the head like you can
• 1:24:52
  see it like you can see it like come.
• 1:24:54
  It's just you see that and then you see what he was trying and
• 1:24:59
  is still trying to portray himself as it's like my guy.
• 1:25:02
  No, no. Okay, well, okay.
• 1:25:07
  So let's talk about games, dookie on, and a little bit
• 1:25:10
  about his relationship with Susy because when we first meet Kim
• 1:25:15
  sohyun, he's literally wearing a fertilizer bag as a costume.
• 1:25:19
  I never wore that his talents contest in his small hick town
• 1:25:25
  and Susie's like the city girls. And I have this Trope of like
• 1:25:30
  the country boy in the city girl but she Lies to him outright to
• 1:25:37
  get him to come to Seoul. And it's so sad.
• 1:25:42
  I mean, you just how do I put it?
• 1:25:46
  I'm never on Susie side like throughout the show.
• 1:25:49
  Her character is just horrendous and even when she sort of sobers
• 1:25:53
  up and learns to feel and learns how to be a human and learns,
• 1:25:57
  how to have empathy and sympathy for others.
• 1:26:00
  I'm still like, yeah, I don't like this bitch.
• 1:26:03
  And what I don't know how you guys felt about their
• 1:26:07
  relationship in the way that you know, the whole scene of him
• 1:26:11
  running. After the bus and one just to
• 1:26:15
  ask you when she was leaving his town.
• 1:26:18
  And she run, he runs after the bus and she tells him that she
• 1:26:22
  likes him. But oh, I like you, what come to
• 1:26:25
  Seoul. She this is the only time I'll
• 1:26:27
  defend her the entire time. She asked him.
• 1:26:30
  What would it take? Like, what do you want me to
• 1:26:31
  hear? Ye so you can come like she if
• 1:26:35
  you fall for that, that's on you about.
• 1:26:37
  Like it's it's not, it's not her like wussy.
• 1:26:41
  What's sad? Is that?
• 1:26:42
  He knows that she's lying because he turns around and he's
• 1:26:46
  like, clutching his chest like his, if he's just like
• 1:26:48
  completely stirred and he goes, oh, she's such a bad.
• 1:26:52
  She's so terrible. She's lying.
• 1:26:54
  I know she's lying to me and you're immediately on his team
• 1:26:59
  on his side because he's so adorable.
• 1:27:01
  So lovable, so gullible and he still goes to Soul even though
• 1:27:07
  he his common sense is telling him, this bitch is lying to him
• 1:27:10
  just to get To go to Seoul and join the school.
• 1:27:15
  I appreciated the fact that she I think this is the only drama
• 1:27:21
  that I've seen where they take the main characters, bitchiness
• 1:27:25
  to this level because there has been other dramas where the main
• 1:27:29
  lead the mail for the main female lead is a little bit
• 1:27:32
  bitchy, but they have a lot of redeeming qualities.
• 1:27:35
  This one, she barely has any so it's very it's very unique.
• 1:27:41
  Because it's very unique II. Do appreciate the fact that they
• 1:27:46
  even when she changes her core is still very much the same.
• 1:27:50
  There isn't really a very big 180 because that 180 would have
• 1:27:54
  been even less believable than like, right.
• 1:27:59
  A lot of things are unbelievable here, but like, that would have
• 1:28:02
  been just like this is your guys aren't need a break right now.
• 1:28:05
  Like this is too much, so I do like the fact that even when she
• 1:28:10
  changes for the good, it's It's not that good still because
• 1:28:15
  she's such a bitch like so terrible.
• 1:28:19
  Yeah. It's yeah, did you guys laugh
• 1:28:23
  though? She stays at their house at his
• 1:28:25
  house, is a pooping with his mom.
• 1:28:27
  Well sipping seen. I hated he so she's like I got
• 1:28:32
  out of the bathroom, they live in the middle of nowhere and the
• 1:28:35
  moms like okay you know, Kim Sue.
• 1:28:37
  He owns character will take you and she goes.
• 1:28:40
  Why do I need somebody to go with him?
• 1:28:42
  If with me and they're like oh the wild boars are it could
• 1:28:46
  could come up on you and like wreck you and she's like what
• 1:28:49
  there's a freaking out. Outhouse and it's like we said,
• 1:28:53
  freezing in the middle of winter, so there's snow on the
• 1:28:55
  ground. He walks her to this Outhouse
• 1:28:57
  and she's poop shy understandably.
• 1:29:00
  And I think she tells him, like, why don't you sing something for
• 1:29:04
  me and he's like, no, why don't you sing?
• 1:29:05
  And she starts singing. This song Only Hope from.
• 1:29:11
  I know it from A Walk to Remember.
• 1:29:13
  Do you guys remember that movie? Oh my God, that song.
• 1:29:19
  It's just a suspension of disbelief.
• 1:29:22
  How am I supposed to like understand?
• 1:29:24
  And and problem that you can sing while you are literally
• 1:29:27
  pooping like pulling? No, Mom.
• 1:29:29
  Aunt. And you're already pooped.
• 1:29:32
  I like that. Yeah gonna work out they have
• 1:29:35
  phones like she could have just played something true true like
• 1:29:39
  it's it just I hate it. I don't like the toilet humor
• 1:29:43
  that a lot of kdramas use It's not, it's not funny, it's cheap
• 1:29:49
  and unnecessary to be quite honest.
• 1:29:53
  You guys know, like, the first drama that I watched was Hong
• 1:29:55
  Kong, and there's a lot of poop humor in that drama.
• 1:29:58
  And I remember texting Lauda, every time that I saw him like I
• 1:30:01
  don't get it, like, I don't get it.
• 1:30:03
  And again, I'm still less than 10 K dramas and to make a drama
• 1:30:07
  like experience. And every time I see it, I'm
• 1:30:09
  just like, well, why? I get like, it's lowbrow it,
• 1:30:13
  bro. It's a cultural thing but it
• 1:30:15
  just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah.
• 1:30:17
  Yeah. So they had this whole CC seen
• 1:30:20
  worse. Susie's pooping.
• 1:30:22
  And she sings the song, I could not write this myself.
• 1:30:26
  Anyway, one of my favorite things about Suzanne to also his
• 1:30:30
  relationship with his mom was really sweet and when they're
• 1:30:32
  all sweet each other. The solder either dialect.
• 1:30:35
  Oh my God. I heard it was just so so cute.
• 1:30:39
  He's talking and I like the whole move the whole show and
• 1:30:44
  when he's with her he's like heavier.
• 1:30:46
  Also miss our country bumpkin can't like you know not doesn't
• 1:30:50
  know anything about life ends up in Japan.
• 1:30:52
  Speaking like an English to the like understanding the English.
• 1:30:57
  You know, it's a girl. How many things do you want me
• 1:31:00
  to like, how do you want? How much do you want me to gas
• 1:31:02
  like myself for me to think that this is actually like feasible
• 1:31:06
  any of this? And I don't know the answer that
• 1:31:15
  but still here on ends up being artists K right by the end.
• 1:31:19
  He's the big artists performing at the Grammys which that didn't
• 1:31:23
  look like the Grammys by any stretch.
• 1:31:25
  But okay more. Especially as dismal.
• 1:31:28
  No. No, no.
• 1:31:32
  But I kind of like that he was, he made it, you know, even
• 1:31:36
  though they had this whole whole freakin medical drama with him
• 1:31:41
  and his Progressive hearing loss in the tinnitus and all of that
• 1:31:45
  was like, I remember that being a huge deal, a huge reveal as
• 1:31:50
  well. When I first watched the show
• 1:31:52
  was like, they had this scene where he's watching Susie and
• 1:31:56
  Tech kiss on the ferris wheel, which was like, oh my God, what
• 1:32:00
  a blow and then he like collapses and I'm like, what's
• 1:32:02
  going on? The start of the very next
• 1:32:04
  episode is them, is him in the hospital receiving this Gnosis
• 1:32:08
  that he's got progressing here a progressive hearing loss, and
• 1:32:11
  he's got to sort of shore up for eventual deafness and I was
• 1:32:18
  like, oh my God I like was really cut up about it because
• 1:32:22
  he's just getting going. He's just starting to train and
• 1:32:27
  sing and dance and all this stuff and now he can't sing
• 1:32:29
  anymore. I mean, it was this is very old
• 1:32:33
  school kdrama, but go through all his It's like, you know,
• 1:32:38
  fighting his demons thing. And yes, thank creep because or
• 1:32:42
  like the creeps on truck comes on because of course creep has
• 1:32:45
  to be a part of every piece of like legendary to me or if not
• 1:32:50
  it's not legendary. I love the fact that he cut his
• 1:32:54
  hair and got a 0 earring like a piercing bad boy.
• 1:33:00
  He looked it, though. It's okay with me.
• 1:33:02
  I remember me. And then he was like, fine for
• 1:33:09
  two episodes and like he didn't have a hearing problem anymore.
• 1:33:12
  Uh-huh. Unlike later, I would come back
• 1:33:14
  or it wouldn't. And then I'm like, there were
• 1:33:16
  entire videos on YouTube back. When I don't know, a bunch of
• 1:33:19
  YouTubers that I used to watch that, they were doing singing
• 1:33:22
  challenges. We're like singing with noise
• 1:33:25
  canceling things, so I can't hear my own like voice.
• 1:33:28
  You can't sing. Cannot if you can't hear
• 1:33:31
  yourself, no, like the unbelievable - of this isn't
• 1:33:35
  this, this tumult. I'm high.
• 1:33:38
  This all I want. Yeah.
• 1:33:41
  I mean in 2012 or 13. I was like I don't think that's
• 1:33:44
  true but I just want to believe it.
• 1:33:46
  And then today I really we watching it.
• 1:33:48
  I'm like, this is impossible. You can't.
• 1:33:52
  You just can't. You need to be able to hear
• 1:33:55
  yourself in order to sing. It's just, he can't just find
• 1:33:59
  him. Then he had there were this
• 1:34:00
  thing where he was trying to learn Perfect Pitch and they
• 1:34:03
  were like, you can do it. You could do it.
• 1:34:05
  Like no, you can't hear you. Speaking of disbelief and just
• 1:34:14
  out there, the fact that we're supposed to accept and forgive
• 1:34:21
  bakey for throwing a pot, trying to murder her friend.
• 1:34:35
  That happened and we're okay with her character by the end of
• 1:34:38
  the show, we're like, you know what, it wasn't that bad like
• 1:34:42
  this is a case of it's a it's a criminal case that they never
• 1:34:47
  sort of went into the even the teacher Kang was I we're not
• 1:34:52
  going to talk about like the murder that almost noticed.
• 1:34:54
  She was missing the bun. How does she fix it it?
• 1:34:57
  Because Tech like found the button and then she, no, no,
• 1:35:01
  definitely had a, yeah, yeah. She By the time he confronted
• 1:35:05
  her and then he was like, oh I guess, but again I don't know.
• 1:35:08
  Like how does she notice that the fun went flying hottest, you
• 1:35:10
  know to fix it or change her jacket or whatever like he was
• 1:35:16
  an a-plus-plus. Murderer I guess because she
• 1:35:22
  knew what to fix the let her Alibi was okay and tecton.
• 1:35:27
  It's just Spector anymore. But also how she starts with
• 1:35:30
  like the braids and things with like oh she's matching.
• 1:35:33
  She's matching bases. He's character to team, like the
• 1:35:36
  haircut, which actually suited her really well.
• 1:35:39
  And when they go into, like the Showcase later they add these
• 1:35:42
  horrid extension cord that you do you like the hair, it looked
• 1:35:47
  like a mullet, that was true. So like revived or not, because
• 1:35:51
  it's just too pollitos. Like two little strands of hair.
• 1:35:54
  It's not even like a snot. It's tear, it wasn't like
• 1:35:58
  layers. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:36:00
  Like, if you're going to do that, you have to put like
• 1:36:02
  multiple layers that it wasn't just like her Kirill hair and
• 1:36:06
  then long extensions. Again, the budget was limited
• 1:36:09
  and very it looked awful. And she looked terrible.
• 1:36:14
  She saw so, talking about terrible.
• 1:36:16
  She starts dancing, too. I think fly on the Wall by Miley
• 1:36:20
  Cyrus. There's a early episode.
• 1:36:23
  She's dancing, dip. All of those dancing sequences
• 1:36:28
  and scenes were really bad. Like I know Mom can't dance and
• 1:36:31
  like they're talented but the way that the either the camera
• 1:36:35
  work or the way that they didn't have enough time to practice
• 1:36:38
  those dance sequences, it wasn't good like I don't know what was
• 1:36:41
  it like sharp, it wasn't clean choreo.
• 1:36:44
  It was very messy and very like, but they were trying to make up
• 1:36:48
  her with some of the Editing that they were doing.
• 1:36:50
  It was like cutting back to make it worse which made it worse in.
• 1:36:54
  Yeah, it wasn't for these being real Idols.
• 1:36:58
  I didn't feel at all but they were dancing to the caliber that
• 1:37:02
  they should be. It was giving like the So You
• 1:37:05
  Think You Can Dance contest and that like cannot dance and is
• 1:37:08
  still going to audition, but it's just getting airtime
• 1:37:10
  because the show needs diversity or whatever or links up the butt
• 1:37:13
  of the joke. That's what I was giving.
• 1:37:15
  There was a lot of Butt of the joke like meta hilarity that was
• 1:37:21
  happening throughout the show. And there was, I think there was
• 1:37:25
  like a jyp song that they played, don't leave me early on
• 1:37:31
  and they started playing what was it like Genie by SNSD as
• 1:37:38
  well. They were dancing to that song
• 1:37:40
  outside of the chicken shop. Like this is like current stuff
• 1:37:44
  and if you don't know who jyp was you wouldn't get The needle
• 1:37:49
  drop of his 90s song, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:37:53
  There was also a lot of like If you know, you know type of jokes
• 1:37:59
  about being a trainee like the yeah, the jyp test dance thing
• 1:38:04
  that they deal with like the wave-like.
• 1:38:06
  Only funny part of jyp being there.
• 1:38:09
  Like the only time that I was like, okay I would have been
• 1:38:11
  fine if you were here for this, just one scene but the rest of
• 1:38:14
  it. But because at that point, like
• 1:38:16
  they kind of showed take you on a little bit and he really could
• 1:38:20
  not hold his laughter. Yeah, because he was just like
• 1:38:23
  this is this is my life right now.
• 1:38:26
  Just you might not have seen those.
• 1:38:27
  This was more like Kpop content, but I think I came out last
• 1:38:30
  year, like rain, when to see stray cats.
• 1:38:33
  And he kind of talked about the backstory of that of, like jyp a
• 1:38:37
  strain to help him with like a choreography training program
• 1:38:42
  for trainees. And then he was the one that
• 1:38:45
  came up with this. Like wait, wait.
• 1:38:48
  And like every jyp trainee has to master that in order for them
• 1:38:53
  to be able to remain and be Right.
• 1:38:58
  So that's why that's a big joke for like the idol Community or
• 1:39:03
  whatever people in the jyp know I've heard of the wave.
• 1:39:06
  I don't think I've seen that Rain video though.
• 1:39:09
  So I definitely have to go back and watch that.
• 1:39:11
  But I mean, I'm 2012. Did I know that that was a
• 1:39:15
  thing? No, no.
• 1:39:16
  Of course, it's the girlies that know, and the ones who don't
• 1:39:21
  like shit out of luck. Yeah, like oh sorry.
• 1:39:25
  I was gonna go ahead there scene.
• 1:39:26
  So you can finish I thought here.
• 1:39:28
  No. No, go ahead.
• 1:39:29
  I was just gonna say how, like Jason wasn't at the actual
• 1:39:32
  showcase, and he still made the group.
• 1:39:36
  Yes. Like I just
• 1:39:51
  like in the first episode when they're like, or was it the
• 1:39:55
  second episode when they decided they're going to go to Kieran
• 1:39:58
  High School when Becky like does a split and she's like, see I
• 1:40:02
  could make it to and it's like, okay, so you're going to just do
• 1:40:05
  a split and not gonna get you Well, I'm the arch nemesis Becky
• 1:40:30
  unforgivable. He's so good looking at.
• 1:40:32
  Okay. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:40:34
  He's like, oh my dad would have liked taking me to the US.
• 1:40:37
  Sir, you would have found your way back.
• 1:40:38
  I am done with you. That is treason.
• 1:40:41
  That is an ox top. You know that is absolutely how
• 1:40:44
  I feel felt Then and Now on re-watch that Tech did some like
• 1:40:49
  unforgivable like fully sins here and not the anything was
• 1:40:55
  directly. You know, it was not malicious
• 1:41:00
  but he should know the meaning of these things, right?
• 1:41:05
  Performing with Becky abandoning the team debuting without them.
• 1:41:10
  Even though he like was like, oh let's promise to be on the same
• 1:41:13
  stage together and perform together whatever, like he just
• 1:41:16
  like completely went solo and all this stuff.
• 1:41:20
  So, another text that I sound louder while I was watching, was
• 1:41:23
  this entire show, could have been one episode had, they
• 1:41:26
  actually like texted each other and Absolutely 100% was like,
• 1:41:30
  hey, let's communicate talk to you later.
• 1:41:32
  Like my dad's about to kick me out of the country and kidnap
• 1:41:34
  me. Like, you know, it's just,
• 1:41:36
  there's something so annoying about text character when it
• 1:41:40
  comes to those, like Middle episodes where he's at odds with
• 1:41:42
  Susie and the rest of the underdog kids in the regular
• 1:41:45
  prep class. Because he's that guy that's
• 1:41:48
  like less talk. Like every time you see me like
• 1:41:50
  let's talk, let's go here to talk and I'm like that is so
• 1:41:54
  freaking annoying. You ever had?
• 1:41:55
  Like a let's talk person your life.
• 1:41:58
  Looks like there's nothing to talk about like we're done.
• 1:42:04
  Oh my God. I was so annoyed and also how
• 1:42:07
  they like debuted and then they're perfect.
• 1:42:09
  And they're winning like music shows for six months and then
• 1:42:11
  they come back. And they're like, guys, we can't
• 1:42:13
  graduate if we don't. Like when there's nothing on
• 1:42:16
  spreading hours, we don't have enough credit hours to graduate
• 1:42:19
  from this bogus school. So you have to go back and start
• 1:42:22
  taking classes again. My I just remembered know
• 1:42:30
  because, like, I just went back to like the other the other side
• 1:42:35
  of the story with the teacher, the dad, and the mom owned the
• 1:42:39
  fact that this father left or left his two, daughters in Korea
• 1:42:44
  by themselves, with his ex-wife's.
• 1:42:48
  Like, I don't know, if this doesn't make any lick of sense,
• 1:42:53
  is that Susie's back story is that her dad fucking I fled the
• 1:42:58
  country and was trying to Stage a comeback of his own and get
• 1:43:03
  back on his feet, financially in the States but he abandoned his
• 1:43:08
  two kids in Korea and was like why don't you guys go State not
• 1:43:13
  with family or some other like person that he knows good?
• 1:43:16
  Well enough. He was like, why don't you stay
• 1:43:19
  with this man? Who owes me all supposed to do?
• 1:43:24
  Steer your mom. And had an affair with your mom.
• 1:43:33
  And, you know, I still don't understand if they knew that she
• 1:43:36
  died, or if they just thought that she liked left them.
• 1:43:40
  No, no, they knew that she got sick and died but they just
• 1:43:43
  didn't have this whole getting sick and dying to live during
• 1:43:56
  this Was babies. He has sung the child character,
• 1:44:01
  the child actors. Oh yes, and her little sister
• 1:44:03
  there. He cannot seen like the fact of
• 1:44:06
  how much she loved Tech and like would kiss him every chance that
• 1:44:08
  she could. And that's the end of the end
• 1:44:10
  were like she's holding not at the end but like when she's so
• 1:44:12
  little she's holding text hand. And so he on goes for it and she
• 1:44:16
  goes black and like a knocks it out of the way.
• 1:44:18
  I was like, oh my queen like that little child was
• 1:44:21
  everything. So that was my third and final
• 1:44:23
  reason to live and that. Yeah, she's very much a Vibe.
• 1:44:26
  The Unseen Was a little weird though.
• 1:44:28
  A little crazy with all grown up and she was like, yeah.
• 1:44:31
  Okay, hold on. Let's let's pause on that.
• 1:44:32
  Let's talk because I have a couple more things and then we
• 1:44:34
  can get to the ending scene in Little Rock this episode.
• 1:44:37
  So, you said in the pre, in the general non spoilery section, we
• 1:44:42
  talked about other 2 p.m. members that made an appearance
• 1:44:45
  in the show and it's cause there were these crazy cameos.
• 1:44:48
  Like up the other members Nichkhun made his Cameo dressed
• 1:44:53
  as like Romeo lying on the ground pretty sleepy.
• 1:44:57
  Playing dead. And then, they also had this
• 1:44:59
  score p, played it on his phone, a Franco, zeffirelli's Romeo and
• 1:45:04
  Juliet. So that famous score was playing
• 1:45:08
  on his phone and then I felt like the whole jingle that he
• 1:45:12
  was a part of because that's when these soul I use voice like
• 1:45:15
  do this. Sing sing this jingle to sell.
• 1:45:19
  I think it was a cell phone or something.
• 1:45:21
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:45:23
  That whole thing reminded me of like The Lollipop Song from back
• 1:45:27
  in the day, you know Lollipop song with I recently heard about
• 1:45:30
  the lollipop thing but I don't know what it is.
• 1:45:33
  Me neither okay So in a nutshell I'm actually like looking it up.
• 1:45:40
  Oh know if I look up lollipop just give me a little Wayne.
• 1:45:42
  That's not the right thing. Lollipop with big bang and 21.
• 1:45:49
  Okay. So this is weird.
• 1:45:56
  So there's a song called love, okay.
• 1:45:59
  Oh my God, there's obviously on it while they were asking her
• 1:46:03
  like oh, you know like the iPhone this was out.
• 1:46:09
  So when you debuted what was the phone?
• 1:46:11
  And she goes lollipop and I was like I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:46:13
  I'm not an okay. So this is the first paragraph
• 1:46:16
  of the Wikipedia so it's legitimate information.
• 1:46:21
  Soak a lollipop is a song by Big Bang in 21 created to promote a
• 1:46:25
  cell phone by LG Scion, it interpolates a 1958 Lollipop
• 1:46:30
  written by Julius Dixon. And Beverly, Ross song, achieves
• 1:46:32
  top spot on the various online charts.
• 1:46:34
  It was like super popular and a lollipop is used to debut 21
• 1:46:39
  unofficially as it does not serve technically as their debut
• 1:46:43
  single. So then they followed that up
• 1:46:45
  with their official debut song. Fire.
• 1:46:47
  Which is, if have you seen the music video for a lollipop?
• 1:46:51
  Oh my God. Okay, so this was like a whole
• 1:46:53
  freaking thing. This is back in 2009, right?
• 1:46:57
  They basically used this custom song Ang this custom jingle so
• 1:47:01
  to speak, lollipop with big bang and 21 singing this song to
• 1:47:07
  promote this phone. And if you look at the music
• 1:47:09
  video, it's like a commercial for this phone for this LG phone
• 1:47:12
  or whatever. This doesn't ring any bells at
• 1:47:16
  all. No, no.
• 1:47:17
  We haven't scared. Like again, I only know that
• 1:47:19
  it's CL and 21 because I just watched the interview like two
• 1:47:22
  days ago, where she mentioned it.
• 1:47:24
  Okay. So that's what she's talking
• 1:47:25
  about is this LG Sion phone or whatever and lollipop.
• 1:47:29
  I encourage you to anyone, listening to look up the song,
• 1:47:32
  but lollipop, and this part of this show Dream High where they
• 1:47:38
  are taking like this jingle and promoting a cell phone with to
• 1:47:43
  K-pop Idols, essentially. Is to a tee.
• 1:47:46
  What lollipop was got it. Okay.
• 1:47:50
  Wow, you see, you can see the girl it's just, you know, I
• 1:47:56
  guess. Yeah, I guess we have to talk
• 1:47:59
  about the God of dance. Oh God sequence with jyp in this
• 1:48:04
  red silk suit, dancing to Michael Jackson's Billie Jean.
• 1:48:12
  I definitely fast forward over that this time around.
• 1:48:17
  I quit watched I watched judging Lee.
• 1:48:23
  I don't know who this man thinks he is.
• 1:48:25
  Right? Right.
• 1:48:29
  I couldn't. That's that's my thing too.
• 1:48:31
  Is like he thinks he's hot shit. He really, really, really done.
• 1:48:36
  He does. Hmm.
• 1:48:39
  I'm sorry for his did a whole concert in New York and La where
• 1:48:43
  they ended up having to put the tickets on Groupon and giving
• 1:48:45
  them out for free, just to be able to fill the venue somewhat
• 1:48:50
  and he's out here like posting whenever his stupid song came
• 1:48:53
  out, the groov box on and he's like, I gotta get, gotta get
• 1:48:56
  with like the stupidest fucking Corey of all time.
• 1:48:59
  He like some people were like posting challenges actually.
• 1:49:03
  Like you, I don't know why trying to get his attention and
• 1:49:06
  then he like posted and he's like here, here's a Toriel to
• 1:49:10
  help people like yourself. and like, he actually thinks he is
• 1:49:15
  better than literally anyone like it's terrible.
• 1:49:22
  He's got a complex. Yeah, but in that saying that
• 1:49:28
  same episode, The Girl Who Stole I use voice is like, who is
• 1:49:33
  that? Girl, I've never seen her around
• 1:49:35
  here before. It's I you And Jason is she's
• 1:49:39
  like taking a oh just because you lose some weight doesn't
• 1:49:42
  mean you can debut and he goes well you debuted and you're
• 1:49:46
  talentless singer. So he's like if you're a
• 1:49:48
  five-second thing or whatever. Yeah, that was very that was a
• 1:49:51
  good burn. That was like, oh my God.
• 1:49:55
  I love that burns so much. I thought it was a plus plus
• 1:49:59
  it's up there for me with sing to me.
• 1:50:01
  Paulo just like one of the sickest Burns in history.
• 1:50:05
  It's like so stupid, I have This weird list in my head, okay?
• 1:50:11
  And, you know, when he said that a couple of Idols came into my
• 1:50:16
  mind. Oh God, that are.
• 1:50:18
  Who were they named them? Oh, I'm not gonna do that.
• 1:50:22
  Oh no. Some people don't mind.
• 1:50:32
  You know, what I wrote down this is just stupid, but I just saw
• 1:50:35
  it and I made me laugh that Becky went Showgirls with the
• 1:50:41
  Pearl. Spilling thing with like with
• 1:50:43
  the Thumbtack in the shoe and all the other like nasty things
• 1:50:47
  that she did during the show, like going back to your thing of
• 1:50:50
  like forgiving her for literal assassination attempts, right?
• 1:50:55
  And they're both of those characters were Redeemable, it's
• 1:51:02
  true. Did you feel any type of way
• 1:51:04
  about the Dream High song? Yeah, I mean, it's it's good for
• 1:51:11
  what it was, I guess. Like, I'm not going to play it
• 1:51:14
  but maybe I should add a lot more Nostalgia for it because
• 1:51:17
  when they started playing it again and I was like oh my God
• 1:51:19
  it's the dream, my song. Yeah really excited about that
• 1:51:23
  was like yeah it was cute like it's better than the drama I
• 1:51:27
  guess for sure in terms of like quality and delivering what it
• 1:51:31
  like it did what I needed to do because Rama didn't.
• 1:51:37
  Wow. But last Cami, I think I have
• 1:51:40
  here from 2 p.m. is the chan-sung Cambio where he's
• 1:51:45
  Meats like the house Noona in the snow boxer, back to the
• 1:51:49
  house and like covers her head with a scarf and she kisses him
• 1:51:52
  because she's drunk and when she pulls back it's actually like
• 1:51:56
  the nightclub Oishi. So I think I had a problem with
• 1:52:03
  it because there's an obvious large age gap between them.
• 1:52:08
  Between ton song in 2011. And this this lady, I mean, she
• 1:52:15
  had money problems and alcoholism was one of them.
• 1:52:17
  So she was an alcoholic. Yeah.
• 1:52:23
  So that was the chan-sung Cameo there.
• 1:52:26
  There was also a cameo by some of the Super Junior guys and the
• 1:52:30
  radio station young Hawkins off. They had like an interview show.
• 1:52:33
  Well, yeah, with are you? Yeah.
• 1:52:38
  I think a lot of my memories are memories of Dream, High are of
• 1:52:42
  them in the classroom, learning different things.
• 1:52:44
  And one of them that I remembered vividly was the pitch
• 1:52:47
  test of where they sing the site read, and there's two of them,
• 1:52:51
  like, doing it at the same time, they have to have my eyes and
• 1:52:53
  stuff and I was like that is super memorable memorable and I
• 1:52:55
  remember that whole thing that whole scene from when I had
• 1:53:00
  originally watched Dream High, the teacher who talked about
• 1:53:02
  like, cords and things. Like I thought that I was like,
• 1:53:05
  oh look, an actual education, a woman, what?
• 1:53:07
  Yeah. Yeah, so let's get into some
• 1:53:12
  endgame episodes because Becky gets sexually assaulted by the
• 1:53:17
  company president and text saves her and then he gets cancelled
• 1:53:21
  and there's this whole Scandal because there's footage of him
• 1:53:23
  beating up this their company president.
• 1:53:26
  And I watch this, you know, in 2012, 2013 like way.
• 1:53:33
  This was shot way before the me to movement way before
• 1:53:36
  Weinstein. And all the tests were exposed
• 1:53:40
  and sent to jail and stuff, but This is sad as shit, okay?
• 1:53:47
  Like I thought this was really sad, and I think the only
• 1:53:50
  drawback to this storylines inclusion is that it is meant to
• 1:53:55
  redeem Becky. Yeah, you know what, solder
• 1:54:00
  that? We went through me to on this
• 1:54:02
  out of the world, but Korea hasn't correct.
• 1:54:05
  And not just like women and girl groups.
• 1:54:08
  But boys, and boy groups are also suffering heavily from like
• 1:54:15
  complete mismanagement, misconduct and abuse some of its
• 1:54:20
  sexual from their managers. So, that's really what is not
• 1:54:26
  guy. That it was ahead of its time
• 1:54:29
  and it's still comments heavily on the victim shaming that has.
• 1:54:36
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:54:37
  They didn't want the key to come teachers.
• 1:54:40
  Yeah. Those two teachers teachers are
• 1:54:41
  kind of irrelevant but they basically give the viewer
• 1:54:45
  commentary the whole time records show there like a good
• 1:54:48
  narration for like a pulse check on what Korean people were like
• 1:54:52
  back. Then a lot of it really hasn't
• 1:54:55
  changed yet but they were really like You know, giving everyone
• 1:55:00
  the opinions. I mean, I did in this case was
• 1:55:02
  mushy that she said it like more specifically, because she was so
• 1:55:06
  attached to protecting Becky, but it was like, she has a
• 1:55:09
  Scarlet Letter. Now, like she won't be left
• 1:55:12
  alone, no one will believe her. And even it happened, they kind
• 1:55:15
  of play it out of the TV station of like, well.
• 1:55:18
  But, you know, the rumor is that she was the one who seduced him.
• 1:55:21
  So yeah, that's it's very real still today.
• 1:55:25
  So that's what ya get Super unfortunate.
• 1:55:29
  And what's sad is that you can't say like oh things have changed.
• 1:55:33
  Yeah, I know. So it's very sad to me.
• 1:55:37
  I think it was used to redeem both her and Tech because like
• 1:55:41
  him selflessly, basically throwing himself under the bus
• 1:55:44
  and throwing his dad and his campaign under the bus.
• 1:55:47
  So yeah. Protect us girls, you know,
• 1:55:50
  dignity and image. Yeah, yeah that's a lot but
• 1:55:56
  teacher, she has As a great Arc as well because she's like the
• 1:56:01
  principal's daughter which was like a whole like kdrama reveal
• 1:56:04
  as well. But she started out as this very
• 1:56:06
  cold and calculating teacher, she's cutting her losses with
• 1:56:10
  students deemed unworthy or a lost cause and she, and she was
• 1:56:15
  the one who encouraged Becky to treat to win the Showcase solo.
• 1:56:19
  So over the course of the show, she's kind of learned the error
• 1:56:22
  of her ways and now subscribes to the same school of thinking
• 1:56:26
  as teacher Kang. You know, you should help the
• 1:56:29
  kids lift them up, encourage them and not trample, on their
• 1:56:32
  dreams. And their job isn't necessarily
• 1:56:34
  to be realistic. It's to be optimistic and to
• 1:56:37
  help them as much as they can. And, you know, it was nice to
• 1:56:41
  see her go through her own arc and be so supportive of Becky
• 1:56:46
  during her time of need towards during the whole sexual,
• 1:56:50
  harassment thing or sexual assault, Scandal that broke
• 1:56:53
  because she just simply told the truth and just to get Tech out.
• 1:56:57
  Of hot water here because he was getting lampooned fleetly.
• 1:57:03
  I didn't like the extreme to what she took.
• 1:57:05
  It her transformation again, the whole like the flower clip at
• 1:57:09
  the on the top. No, no.
• 1:57:10
  That was too cutesy that but that is.
• 1:57:12
  That's a Trope. Yeah.
• 1:57:15
  And like just her character, the end ventilation and the AQ, you
• 1:57:20
  know, it was too far like the pendulum swung to like far to
• 1:57:25
  the other side. I am.
• 1:57:27
  Understand why she ended up falling for mr.
• 1:57:30
  Teacher, savior person, and all of that.
• 1:57:33
  But she and her defense. So when she was like evil at the
• 1:57:37
  beginning she didn't say she was in favor of cheating because she
• 1:57:40
  wasn't, she was right. Okay.
• 1:57:42
  With lying to an extent and what she told Becky was like this
• 1:57:46
  girl's lying. So don't feel bad about taking
• 1:57:50
  her spot. She didn't say go put a
• 1:57:52
  thumbtack in her shoes so she's like right?
• 1:57:54
  We unable to do the thing. Uh-huh, when Becky, try to like
• 1:57:57
  turn. Turn that on her and be like,
• 1:57:59
  you're the reason why. Now, I don't feel anything when
• 1:58:01
  I try to murder people. That's not, that's not what she
• 1:58:08
  said. That's not what happened, like
• 1:58:09
  you you were falling a murderer before.
• 1:58:12
  Yeah. So yeah, absolutely related
• 1:58:16
  Concepts over here. One thing that I wanted to touch
• 1:58:19
  on about Susie and Tech and Susie on which is like their
• 1:58:25
  love triangle is that they said Of tech as the female there.
• 1:58:30
  Sorry. That's of you the male lead, you
• 1:58:33
  know, the person that she's going to end up with because
• 1:58:35
  he's just this archetypal like bad boy and they had all this
• 1:58:40
  history together. They met as children and he's
• 1:58:42
  just so cool and you just feel like they're going to end up
• 1:58:46
  together. She likes him for sure at some
• 1:58:48
  points throughout the show but Kim Soo hyun's character is set
• 1:58:52
  up as the second male lead and you never feel necessarily.
• 1:58:55
  They're going to end up together because he's just so So pitiful,
• 1:58:58
  he's not on the same playing level Aztec and they don't have
• 1:59:03
  all of this childhood history together, and I was stunned.
• 1:59:08
  The first time I watched Dream High, that she ends up with Kim
• 1:59:11
  Soo-hyun. It's not until the photocard
• 1:59:15
  comes up that like we know exactly how she feels.
• 1:59:17
  Like, I always knew she was confused.
• 1:59:19
  Hmm. But, and even loud and I were
• 1:59:21
  talking just before, like when we got on zum-zum to talk to you
• 1:59:24
  today, like I just found out like 30, Seconds ago that you
• 1:59:29
  know Tech was not the actual male lead like it didn't really
• 1:59:32
  register on the woman I'm like oh so I was like oh nice they
• 1:59:35
  ended up the show with like the second male lead and it's like
• 1:59:37
  oh no he was never the funnies lead he set up as the male bee.
• 1:59:41
  I still contend to this day that they really wanted the audience
• 1:59:45
  to sort of roof for Tech and 101st.
• 1:59:49
  Maybe not root for them but think that they were going to
• 1:59:53
  end up together. I was just trying to have a
• 1:59:55
  review, right? I was telling Kathy that this
• 1:59:59
  was the first series where I didn't go for the second male
• 2:00:05
  lead, which was Soo, Young's character.
• 2:00:07
  Like, I always just really like taken, even though he did a lot
• 2:00:11
  of terrible, terrible thought. Well, you were younger because
• 2:00:14
  Tech is a second. Oh, in a sense he is technically
• 2:00:20
  the second really because she doesn't end up with him.
• 2:00:23
  Yeah, she ends up the suit. Look at that then.
• 2:00:25
  And when the cast, I saw it, like, I realized on Google.
• 2:00:27
  When you look for the cast in order, it's Susie and scallion
• 2:00:32
  like that is the the male lead. So now you're just being
• 2:00:35
  consistent with your because that NADA is considered because
• 2:00:38
  she did gum for the second male lead, even though he's honestly
• 2:00:42
  like if you look at his characterization, yeah.
• 2:00:45
  It would, anyone would think he was gonna end up with her?
• 2:00:49
  But yeah. So I was like, stunned that she
• 2:00:51
  ended up with like this country. Kid, who's talking and dialect
• 2:00:56
  and is Going deaf and like has all of these like issues and
• 2:01:04
  confidence issues and things like that.
• 2:01:05
  Like Tech doesn't have like confidence issues at all.
• 2:01:09
  Like he's very much set as delicious.
• 2:01:15
  Yeah also have my back you should have ended up together
• 2:01:18
  for all that he protected her and say after honestly at this
• 2:01:21
  point I'm just thinking them not not that I wanted it but I'm
• 2:01:25
  just like, I mean homie was writing for her.
• 2:01:27
  Better than their miconia for Beyonce at this point.
• 2:01:31
  I'm just saying like it was kind of if they kept the show, going,
• 2:01:36
  that would have ended up like happening at some point.
• 2:01:38
  I don't know. You make a good case though, do
• 2:01:41
  you make it? So let's talk about the time,
• 2:01:45
  Jump that happens. So whatever they get like
• 2:01:48
  through and they sort of Debut, they have a baby version of
• 2:01:53
  going viral because they did this flash mob thing and they
• 2:01:56
  were doing an online PR so that they could sell this Dream High
• 2:02:00
  group. And then they have their
• 2:02:03
  official debut performance on TV.
• 2:02:05
  Finally, when some of those / P d--'s see the the Groundswell
• 2:02:09
  that's happened because the group dropped out which was
• 2:02:11
  giving BTS before, BTS by. Yes.
• 2:02:15
  Yes, the group a group drop-down that where we going to find
• 2:02:18
  another group to replace them in like Dream High crew comes
• 2:02:21
  through. So that was all fine and good.
• 2:02:26
  A little ahead of its time I guess because in 2011 I guess
• 2:02:29
  flash mobs weren't quite a thing.
• 2:02:31
  I'm like they were a few years later, they were, they were
• 2:02:34
  flash mobs, I don't remember flash mobs, until a few years
• 2:02:37
  later being like a thing. I don't know, I feel like I saw
• 2:02:41
  a lot of flash mob content and college, so and yeah, saying,
• 2:02:45
  2007 to 2011, she know, same things.
• 2:02:48
  I do think that you may be in Korea, it wasn't maybe, I don't
• 2:02:54
  know. So, then we have a time Jump.
• 2:02:56
  I used the preschool or kindergarten teacher and Becky
• 2:03:01
  is now a teacher at Kirin Art School.
• 2:03:04
  She's taking the place of teacher, she who, and she does,
• 2:03:08
  like the same stunt with the Thumbtacks thing because she
• 2:03:11
  doesn't know originality. If I hit her in the face.
• 2:03:14
  Correct to make sense. I like this just tracks for her
• 2:03:17
  character because she's tried to plagiarize the song earlier in
• 2:03:20
  the show. And now she's like taking the
• 2:03:22
  same same approach to teaching as teachers she Tech is a famous
• 2:03:29
  artist. President Ma married the Noona
• 2:03:33
  character and had a kid with her and Kim Soo-hyun is artist K.
• 2:03:40
  He's he won a Grammy or whatever.
• 2:03:44
  I think I have issues with just like the seat.
• 2:03:47
  The final scene, which is Kim soohyun and Susie's character.
• 2:03:52
  She's trying to convince him to go to the states and sort of
• 2:03:57
  become a bigger star than if he had stayed in Korea.
• 2:04:02
  And she tells him a version of like the Boys Over Flowers thing
• 2:04:07
  which is why don't you go and like, improve on yourself and
• 2:04:11
  get, famous and become a great man.
• 2:04:13
  And then I'll consider being with you even though she clearly
• 2:04:18
  like loves him already and That's, that's it.
• 2:04:23
  Like, they have a repeat of the of the makes no sense bus scene
• 2:04:28
  where she's now running after the bus, they tried to have
• 2:04:32
  like, that full circle moment, but that it is Messy as hell
• 2:04:35
  with. It was like the flash box on the
• 2:04:38
  forwards and it was a little hard to understand.
• 2:04:41
  It was, yeah, yeah. I remember being fooled.
• 2:04:45
  I still don't understand where Susie's character ended like,
• 2:04:50
  yeah. What?
• 2:04:51
  She like a famous. Does she go back to opera
• 2:04:53
  singing? I was very confused.
• 2:04:56
  It's unclear. I think it's ambiguous and I
• 2:04:58
  don't know why they would make it so ambiguous.
• 2:05:01
  She was sick a celebrating her 100th performance concert.
• 2:05:04
  Yeah or 100th concert and then she sings the dang Walk to
• 2:05:09
  Remember Song again. Yeah.
• 2:05:12
  To honor of sue him because his character is like you know
• 2:05:15
  living his bus but also lonely. Yeah, it's like they didn't work
• 2:05:19
  out because they both focus on their careers.
• 2:05:23
  It's weird. It's frustrating because it
• 2:05:26
  shouldn't. We shouldn't be guessing at it,
• 2:05:28
  you know, and then I use character.
• 2:05:30
  Did I want to go pills look to the thing?
• 2:05:32
  Because she didn't want to be photographed because a now she
• 2:05:35
  had gained weight again. She gained back weight and he
• 2:05:37
  was like, all right fine, like I guess Netflix and chill.
• 2:05:40
  Truly truly, truly the only character that achieved her goal
• 2:05:44
  was Susie's little sister. Parkland, been in this Cameo as
• 2:05:55
  the little sister and she kisses check on the cheek against
• 2:06:00
  early. She say what?
• 2:06:01
  She's like, yes, she knew what she wanted.
• 2:06:03
  Had marked her territory and I mean presumably, it's been what
• 2:06:08
  87 years ago? I thought I was a six-year jump.
• 2:06:12
  Yeah. From the moment like the last
• 2:06:14
  moment that was that time, I don't know like something around
• 2:06:17
  here so I guess she's now a teenager ER pakkun bin and so
• 2:06:25
  problematic. It's so problematic at least 10
• 2:06:31
  years it's good, it's over and Lindsay Wilmer.
• 2:06:36
  Mandy will stray bullets in this episode and
• 2:06:59
  All right. So the ending was a miss and
• 2:07:03
  there that's it. Like, we're at the end of the
• 2:07:05
  show. We're done, thanks.
• 2:07:11
  Did you guys have anything else to add to this?
• 2:07:15
  Think? Oh Lord.
• 2:07:19
  I'm appreciative that we that I watched a really bad drama
• 2:07:23
  because up until now I had been like, oh my God.
• 2:07:25
  Maybe I just like everything and I don't have like a distinction
• 2:07:30
  or are like a temperature check thing but I do know.
• 2:07:33
  Now I know that I don't like certain things so thank you
• 2:07:37
  know. I wish that I could bestow like
• 2:07:43
  all of these years of like a Drama watching on other people
• 2:07:46
  because Sometimes the drama's nowadays are two.
• 2:07:50
  Good people can't like really parse out if anything was not so
• 2:07:57
  great and I started watching during this era of kdrama we're
• 2:08:02
  like Dream High was very popular and dream Heist, not a very good
• 2:08:07
  show, it is passable, but but is it like the best show ever?
• 2:08:15
  No is Camp. Rock.
• 2:08:17
  Like the best movie ever and there was a time where we could
• 2:08:21
  have like stomach to because of our age and right.
• 2:08:24
  That's what I'm saying. This feels like a step up, Save
• 2:08:28
  the Last Dance, High School, Musical Camp Rock type of movie.
• 2:08:32
  I've said, type of show what this show made me conclude, was
• 2:08:36
  that I probably wouldn't have the best time watching kdramas
• 2:08:40
  from before 2015. Not to generalize.
• 2:08:43
  I'm sure there's great ones that I could probably go back to,
• 2:08:46
  there are great ones. Yeah, it really misses an
• 2:08:49
  experiment right to also going back further than 2015 because
• 2:08:54
  so many people say they can't watch something pre 2015.
• 2:08:58
  I'm like you could just okay, you can do it, okay?
• 2:09:01
  If there's some really great dramas out there and there's
• 2:09:04
  some iconic, dramas like Dream High that, don't hold up.
• 2:09:08
  So and iconic doesn't necessarily mean good, right?
• 2:09:12
  Like, you know cultural reset for the time being or whatever?
• 2:09:16
  Yeah. Underneath.
• 2:09:17
  Hmm. So I think that's it.
• 2:09:20
  I want to thank you guys for coming on the show for watching.
• 2:09:23
  Dream, I in its entirety and just going on this journey with
• 2:09:27
  me. I think it was very eye-opening
• 2:09:31
  to Return to Dream High for both me and Lauda.
• 2:09:34
  And it was probably I don't want to say was a time-waster for
• 2:09:38
  you, Kathy, but I think it was educational at the very least,
• 2:09:44
  especially because you guys are so immersed in Kpop like, This
• 2:09:47
  is part of Kpop history to. Yeah no I don't regret it.
• 2:09:52
  I don't like as much as I have roasted it I'm enjoying roasting
• 2:09:56
  it and I again I always like to be part of the conversation like
• 2:10:00
  when Game of Thrones was really big like season 5.
• 2:10:03
  I wasn't watching Game of Thrones and I just watched like
• 2:10:06
  the first episode of season six just to understand what you're
• 2:10:08
  talking about. So I have this like general fomo
• 2:10:11
  of wanting to know and wanting to have context.
• 2:10:15
  So now I have the context to Dream High so I Don't consider
• 2:10:18
  it a time waste at all at awesome.
• 2:10:20
  Yeah, awesome. Well, if you're listening
• 2:10:22
  online, you can find my girls Kathy and Lauda on all of the
• 2:10:26
  socials at em, a 2K podcast, and listen to their pot.
• 2:10:31
  If you loved Kpop or in any way, shape, or form, love kpop,
• 2:10:36
  listen to their show. It's amazing.
• 2:10:39
  They're super fun to listen to, and we got more concerts to see
• 2:10:45
  together. As a matter of fact, like we're
• 2:10:46
  still going, Owen. Yeah, not next week but the week
• 2:10:49
  after? Yeah.
• 2:10:50
  Like a couple of weeks. Yeah.
• 2:10:52
  For more Kpop, or cake. R&B goodness.
• 2:10:56
  So, I want to thank you guys and we're just we're gonna get out
• 2:10:59
  of here. Got more shows to watch more
• 2:11:02
  music to listen to thank you for having us.
• 2:11:04
  Just, I really appreciate it. Thank you guys.
• 2:11:06
  Thank you so much. So this has been our show and
• 2:11:10
  I'm Jessica, and this has been the Dybbuk.
• 2:11:12
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