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Credlin | 1 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. It's another sitting with
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Speaker 2: this weekend. Already fireworks this afternoon from Fatima Payment, here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up on Credline, a huge issue for the
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Speaker 2: US Democrats after Friday's woeful debate, which demands at President
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Speaker 2: Biden taps the mat as the far right sweeps the
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Speaker 2: polls in France. The Prime Minister might want today to
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Speaker 2: be talking about his July one handout. What about those
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Speaker 2: revelations about taxpayer funded speedboats for asylum seekers my panel's
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Speaker 2: coming out. Plus firefighters refusing to patrol areas where there
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Speaker 2: are mass rollout of renewables in bushfire pro in Australia,
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Speaker 2: this is potentially catastrophic. Memorials dedicated to our fallen soldiers
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Speaker 2: desecrated by pro Palestinian protest does not once but three
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Speaker 2: times now police yet delay any charges. A former soldier
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Speaker 2: will join me, but his thoughts on this so called
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Speaker 2: peaceful protest rogue. Senator Fatima Payment, as I said, finally
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Speaker 2: facing consequences for crossing the floor, but far from learning
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Speaker 2: a lesson, says she'd do it all over again. Well,
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Speaker 2: now she's fallen out of favor, with her caucus colleagues
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Speaker 2: claiming she is in exile. A shock statement was issued
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Speaker 2: this afternoon.
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Speaker 3: What is brought forward in the Senate? Obviously you and
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Speaker 3: I both don't have a crystal ball, so it's really
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Speaker 3: difficult to say. But if the same motion on recognizing
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Speaker 3: the state of Palestine was to be brought forward tomorrow,
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Speaker 3: I would cross the floor.
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Speaker 4: You would cross the floor again.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good senator there yesterday on the ABC.
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Speaker 2: I've got her statement coming up. But first, today is
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Speaker 2: the first of July, and aside from the start of
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Speaker 2: a new financial year, it's also the day when labor
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Speaker 2: starts throwing around your money to pay for the cost increases.
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Speaker 2: It's hit you with in the hope you'll give them
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Speaker 2: another chance at the next election.
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Speaker 5: Today is a really important day because today, from today,
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Speaker 5: there'll be a tax cut for every Australian taxpayer.
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Speaker 6: Every single household. We'll get three hundred dollars of energy
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Speaker 6: bill relief. Every single household will benefit from the three
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Speaker 6: hundred dollar reduction. Today two point seven million households right
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Speaker 6: across Victoria will begin receiving the three hundred dollars energy
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Speaker 6: bill relief as every household across Australia will do.
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Speaker 2: Right, Let's have a reality check on that so called
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Speaker 2: cost of living relief that the government was crowing about
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Speaker 2: in question time today. Government doesn't have a dollar to
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Speaker 2: spend that hasn't first taken from you, the taxpayer. So
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Speaker 2: every dollar the government gives you, it takes off you first,
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Speaker 2: either as taxes today or taxes tomorrow, to pay for
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Speaker 2: the money it borrows to then buy your vote. Of course,
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Speaker 2: government can justice side which of you pays for the
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Speaker 2: handouts it gives you. But there's a phrase for that.
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Speaker 2: It's called robbing Peter to pay Paul. In the case
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Speaker 2: of the Energy Bill rebate that starts today, everyone gets
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Speaker 2: it and everyone who pays.
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Speaker 4: Tax pays for it.
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Speaker 2: It's a massive money go round. And let's remember why
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Speaker 2: the rebate is needed in the first place. It's to
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Speaker 2: shop in the bill shock caused by the government forcing
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Speaker 2: too much intermit weather dependent power into the system. Now,
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Speaker 2: in the case of the tax changes that also start today,
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Speaker 2: the Stage three tax cuts that the government promised to
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Speaker 2: keep and then changed, it's basically rewaiting the tax system
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Speaker 2: to fall even more heavily on the most productive people
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Speaker 2: in our economy. Now both are heavily ideological changes. The
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Speaker 2: power rebates mask the impact of the government's emissions obsession,
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Speaker 2: and those tax changes will they further labours.
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Speaker 4: Instinctive war on the rich.
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Speaker 2: With power bills up at least twenty percent since the
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Speaker 2: last election, so much for Labours promised to cut them
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Speaker 2: by two hundred and seventy five dollars per household per year.
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Speaker 2: The rebate is according to The Daily Telegraph, cold comfort.
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Speaker 2: The paper reports more than one hundred and twenty seven
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Speaker 2: thousand households have been forced into hardship because they're struggling
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Speaker 2: with their power bills. Now, that's a number so big
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Speaker 2: that even the Prime Minister didn't want to say it
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Speaker 2: allowed today in the Parliament, Prime.
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Speaker 7: Minister, how many Australian families are currently on electricity hardship plans?
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Speaker 6: Every single household will get three hundred dollars of energy
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Speaker 6: bill relays from today, Mister Speke.
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Speaker 8: To be fair to the Prime Minister, it's not every Australian,
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Speaker 8: but it is one hundred and twenty seven thousand.
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Speaker 7: Families who are facing hardship at the moment.
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Speaker 2: In New South Wales alone, the number of households that
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Speaker 2: can't meet their power bills has more than doubled since
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Speaker 2: the election, and this will just get worse as Labour
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Speaker 2: insists on moving from cheap, reliable, fossil fuel power to
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Speaker 2: power that only works when the sun shines and the
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Speaker 2: wind blows, and hence needs astronomically expensive backup. But there's
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Speaker 2: another problem here too, more insidious than Labour's pretense of
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Speaker 2: helping us by giving us back our own money.
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Speaker 4: That's the impact of inflation.
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Speaker 2: A tax card of nearly five thousand a year for
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Speaker 2: people on two hundred thousand dollars a year, that sounds
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Speaker 2: a lot, but people with a mortgage of five hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand that's half a million, that's about average. They have
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Speaker 2: seen their interest bills go up by more than fifteen
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year now, in part be because this
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Speaker 2: government can't get spending down, because they're addicted to big government,
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Speaker 2: more welfare, and generally because they're mostly union operators before
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Speaker 2: they entered parliament and so I've never run anything much.
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Speaker 2: They're shocking managers of taxpayers money. The Reserve Bank, which
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Speaker 2: has raised interest rates to reduce spending and reduce inflation.
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Speaker 2: Can see through this government's trickery, namely Labour's game of
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Speaker 2: spending more to reduce headline inflation but not to reduce
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Speaker 2: underlying inflation, which is the total amount of liquidity in
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Speaker 2: the economy. Research out today by the Australian National University's
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Speaker 2: Center for Social Research and Methods showed for eighty percent
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Speaker 2: of taxpayers, today's tax cut will be wiped away by
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Speaker 2: the time of the next election. Indeed, there's increased talk
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Speaker 2: of another rate hike in August that would mean any
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Speaker 2: tax cut today would disappear almost immediately. Worse still, the
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Speaker 2: majority of expert economists surveyed by the Australian Financial Review
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Speaker 2: today thirty seven in all, do not expect inflation to
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Speaker 2: be back down where it needs to be until at
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Speaker 2: least June next year. That's another red flag to me
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Speaker 2: that Labor will want to head to the polls early.
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Speaker 2: If the omn Easy government really wants to help families
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Speaker 2: struggling with cost of living pressures, it should forget the
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Speaker 2: productivity sapping pro union changes that it's bringing into small
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Speaker 2: business and end the embargo on using coal and gas
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Speaker 2: here in favor of getting the fundamentals right, not insult
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Speaker 2: us with claims of making our lives easier by taking
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Speaker 2: money out of one pocket to put some back into
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Speaker 2: the other pocket, and then telling us we should all
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Speaker 2: be grateful. Perhaps the biggest insult of all is a
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Speaker 2: forty million dollar ad campaign to publicize these tax cuts.
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Speaker 2: If everyone is automatically getting a tax cut, why the
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Speaker 2: need to waste more money? Look as the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 2: discovering weakness is provocative. Far from being impressed by his
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Speaker 2: good will, the PM's wet let us rebuke to Senator
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Speaker 2: Fatima payment last week has just led.
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Speaker 4: To board defiance.
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Speaker 2: On the weekend, she booked herself a slot on ABC
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Speaker 2: Insiders to further poke the labor beer in open defiance
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Speaker 2: of Anthony Albanesi.
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Speaker 5: So will you abide by the decisions of the caucus
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Speaker 5: in the future.
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Speaker 3: It depends on what is brought forward. But if the
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Speaker 3: same motion on recognizing the state of Palestine was to
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Speaker 3: be brought forward tomorrow, I would cross the floor.
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Speaker 4: You would cross the floor again.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: As a result of that, Senator Payman has now forced
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's hand and she's been suspended from caucus
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Speaker 2: indefinitely or until she can give a commitment to obey
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Speaker 2: the rules. Now these are not the Liberal parties of
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Speaker 2: rules I hasten to add, but they are Labour's rules
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Speaker 2: that are under no circumstances.
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Speaker 4: You can cross the floor.
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Speaker 2: And it's been that way for one hundred and thirty years.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanez is the first Labor leader ever to tolerate
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Speaker 2: a rat in the ranks because he didn't think he
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Speaker 2: could be strong with a Muslim female, and perhaps two
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Speaker 2: he was worried about Muslim votes in Western Sydney, but
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Speaker 2: her point blank refusal to follow the party line has
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Speaker 2: forced his hand. Even today, he tried to justify the
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Speaker 2: suspension of Payment on the grounds of distracting from the
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Speaker 2: government's cost of living agender. Now that's a sure sign
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Speaker 2: to me of how fragile things are on Palestine inside
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Speaker 2: his caucus. But the saga hasn't ended there. Late this afternoon,
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Speaker 2: Senator Payment returned Serve to the Prime Minister, issuing her
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Speaker 2: own statement, declaring that she has lost contact with caucus colleagues,
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Speaker 2: that she will abstain from all votes this week in
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Speaker 2: the Senate, meaning Labour's lost a crucial number, and that
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Speaker 2: she says I been exiled.
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Speaker 4: Okay, see this for what it is.
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Speaker 2: Either Payment is doing the dance of the Seven Vales
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Speaker 2: before she defects to the crossbench by the end of
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Speaker 2: the week, or she's daring the Prime Minister to expel her.
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Speaker 2: Either way, she has gone rogue and this spells danger
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Speaker 2: for Albanese's authority as leader, and danger too for seats
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Speaker 2: in Western Sydney like Watson this is Tony burk seed
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Speaker 2: twenty five percent Muslim vote there, like Black Slin, Jason
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Speaker 2: Claire's seat thirty one percent Muslim, Chris Bowen seed of
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Speaker 2: McMahon almost fourteen percent Muslim.
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Speaker 4: And plenty more.
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Speaker 2: It's a bad way to start a big week for Labor.
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Speaker 2: I can promise you it's only going to get worse
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Speaker 2: by the look of that statement from Fatima Payment. All right,
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Speaker 2: we're going to Canberra now. Skyny's political reporter cam Redden
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Speaker 2: with the headlines good Evening.
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Speaker 9: Labour's youngest senator is drifting further into isolation from the
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Speaker 9: rest of her party as she vows to continue to
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Speaker 9: vote against her colleagues in support of Palestinian statehood.
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Speaker 3: If the same motion was to be brought forward tomorrow,
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Speaker 3: I would cross the.
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Speaker 9: Floor, suspended indefinitely from the Labour Caucus. Senator Payman claims
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Speaker 9: she has been exiled by her colleagues who continued to
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Speaker 9: demand she fall into line.
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Speaker 3: When somebody doesn't stand together, that doesn't strengthen us.
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Speaker 2: Collecting decision making is about a group being more powerful
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Speaker 2: than any one individual.
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Speaker 9: A brief show of support caught on camera from Environment
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Speaker 9: Minister Tanya Plibisek, but in a further act of defiance,
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Speaker 9: Senator payment will abstain from all other votes this week
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Speaker 9: while she considers her future in the party.
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Speaker 6: By her own actions, Senator Payments placed herself outside the
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Speaker 6: privilege that comes with participating.
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Speaker 9: Samantha Moston has been sworn in as Australia's twenty eighth
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Speaker 9: Governor General, becoming only the second woman to serve in
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Speaker 9: the role.
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Speaker 3: Can be optimistic, confident and proud as we build our
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Speaker 3: extraordinary nations future together.
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Speaker 9: Her sister reduced to tears and crying.
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Speaker 4: Is not a bad thing going. It's not a bad
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Speaker 4: thing today.
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Speaker 9: The daughter of a digger now Australia's Governor General. The
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Speaker 9: Senate has condemned acts of vandalism against war memorials in Canberra.
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Speaker 9: These are without a doubt abhorrent X.
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Speaker 6: I don't know what goes through someone's head in thinking
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Speaker 6: that any cause is advanced by the desecration of what
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Speaker 6: our sacred sites.
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Speaker 9: Support for both the government and the Opposition has dipped
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Speaker 9: In the latest newspoll. The coalition's primary vote fell three
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Speaker 9: percent two thirty six, Labours down one to thirty two,
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Speaker 9: but it's enough to regain the government's a narrow lead
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Speaker 9: on two party terms. Asked about Peter Dutton's nuclear power plan,
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Speaker 9: forty two percent of voters approve, forty five percent are opposed,
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Speaker 9: while more than one in ten remain on the fence.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll get into all those stories and more.
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Speaker 2: I'm joying now as i am every Monday. By the
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Speaker 2: national editor for The Australia, Dennis Shanahan. Dennis, I'm going
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Speaker 2: to start with your analysis in the Odds today. I
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Speaker 2: thought it was a very strong column as always, but
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Speaker 2: you're picking up the Prime minister's hard left instincts dominating
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Speaker 2: the way he's running his government, misreading the public mood.
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Speaker 2: We saw that, of course last year with the Voice,
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Speaker 2: you'd hope he would have lost learned his lesson. He
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Speaker 2: rebounded a little bit in the polls. He's still though
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Speaker 2: in minority government territory if an electure was to be held.
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Speaker 2: We have him last week gloating about welcoming Julian Assange.
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Speaker 2: I think Label were going to do more. I think
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Speaker 2: soundly they pulled back. But you know, he's lived his
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Speaker 2: entire life inside Labour's radical left and it's really showing,
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Speaker 2: doesn't it.
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Speaker 8: Well, Yes, and not surprising. I agree with that summation there, Peter,
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Speaker 8: but look, what's happened is that over the years, Anthony
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Speaker 8: Alberinez has been a warrior of the left. From his
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Speaker 8: very youngest days, he has been a left warrior on
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Speaker 8: all of these cultural issues and it is now part
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Speaker 8: of his DNA. The problem for him, and I do
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Speaker 8: not question the genuine feeling that he feels on all
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Speaker 8: of these issues, but the problem he has is that
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Speaker 8: as Prime Minister, there are times when he cannot allow
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Speaker 8: his personal emotional feelings to become involved in how he
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Speaker 8: judges and treats a certain situation. And so what we've
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Speaker 8: seen with Julian Nosage, just as he did on the Voice,
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Speaker 8: he has reacted emotionally. It's been a long term project
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Speaker 8: for the Prime Minister to bring Julian Nossage home and
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Speaker 8: so he felt very good about it. He was declaring
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Speaker 8: how group good it was to achieve something. But the
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Speaker 8: problem is that wasn't necessarily the way certainly the security
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Speaker 8: or defense communities saw it, or how a large percentage
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Speaker 8: of Australian saw it, or Americans when he was welcoming
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Speaker 8: home someone who had pleaded guilty to espionage against the
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Speaker 8: United States, our strongest and largest ally. So I think
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Speaker 8: the Prime Minister needs to be able to try and
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Speaker 8: de emotionalize what he's doing and act more strongly as
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Speaker 8: a leader.
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Speaker 2: Is that why he's struggled with Fatima Payman Dennis because instinctively,
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Speaker 2: if you look at his history, the time that he
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Speaker 2: has protested before he was a parliamentarian and afterwards a
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Speaker 2: very strong pro Palestinian position. Is that why he is
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Speaker 2: instinctively last week certainly loath to suspend her forced his
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Speaker 2: hand forced over the weekend. And then of course he's
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Speaker 2: got a diabolical problem because she's issued this statement and
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Speaker 2: I think it's game on. I think she wants out
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Speaker 2: of the Labor Party. Is this also part of a
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Speaker 2: problem here?
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Speaker 8: Well, undoubtedly, And the Prime Minister has said this again
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Speaker 8: in Parliament. He's made no secret of the fact of
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Speaker 8: his life long defense of the Palestinian position. But as leader,
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Speaker 8: he has said Labour's policy is a two state solution.
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Speaker 8: They want peace and that's what his position is now,
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Speaker 8: and that is what the government's position is. He's in
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Speaker 8: a really tight position on Senator Fatima Payman because she
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Speaker 8: is pushing him to the point of trying to expel
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Speaker 8: her from the Labor Party. She is claiming now just
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Speaker 8: this afternoon she's been exiled by her colleagues. Of course,
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Speaker 8: her colleagues feel this as an insult. There are others
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Speaker 8: who have reached out to her. She has not responded,
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Speaker 8: and as a result, the Prime Minister is trying to
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Speaker 8: resist making her a martyr. He's trying not to expel
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Speaker 8: her from the Labor Party. She is trying to push
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Speaker 8: him into it. And as a result, it's a question
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Speaker 8: of who blinks first. Does Fatima resign first, or does
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Speaker 8: Anthony Albernesi exile her completely and expel her from the
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Speaker 8: Labor Party.
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Speaker 2: So we on the same page of and I think
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Speaker 2: she'll be on the cross bench by the weekend.
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Speaker 8: What do you think, Well, I think that's probably the
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Speaker 8: case it comes, you know, before the long winter break,
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Speaker 8: we're likely to see a resolution of this one way
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Speaker 8: or the other. But it is clear day after day
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Speaker 8: senator payment is making it so much harder for Anthony
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Speaker 8: Albernesi to keep her in the caucus. Of course, he
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Speaker 8: doesn't want to lose a labor senator, another number in
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Speaker 8: the Senate. But I think by the end of the
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Speaker 8: week that is going to be the inevitable conclusion.
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Speaker 2: Well, for months have been pitting all their hopes on
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Speaker 2: July one, you know, turn things around for the minute
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Speaker 2: in the sense of the polls. We'll get to Newspole
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Speaker 2: in a moment that days arrive today. It's been clouded
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Speaker 2: obviously by the payment debarcle yet again, but most punters
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Speaker 2: are not going to know anything about fatom of payment.
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Speaker 2: They'll look to what lands in their bank accounts over
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Speaker 2: coming weeks. We saw in the telegraph today in Sydney,
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Speaker 2: you know, drop in the ocean compared to the increases
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Speaker 2: and energy rates, rents, the whole box and dice is
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Speaker 2: this enough to turn things around for the government, Dennis.
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Speaker 8: Well, it could be everyone looks forward to a tax cut.
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Speaker 8: They will look forward to the energy rebates, Any easing
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Speaker 8: at all of cost of living pressure will be welcomed.
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Speaker 8: But the problem here is will it be enough. Are
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Speaker 8: the expectations so great that when they get what they
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Speaker 8: do get and the price increases which have continued are
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Speaker 8: so great that people will think they're not better off
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Speaker 8: as a result of this big hit. Secondly, the underlying
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Speaker 8: problem of inflation and the rising cost of energy which
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Speaker 8: is at the bottom of this inflation problem and the
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Speaker 8: rising cost of price prices in the supermarket is not
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Speaker 8: being addressed. And Jim Chalmers's treasurer is trying to say
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Speaker 8: it's all right, it'll come good in the end. But
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Speaker 8: if it doesn't, and his prediction that there will be
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Speaker 8: an inflation rate below three percent by Christmas doesn't look good.
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Speaker 8: It's a bad place for the government to be on
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Speaker 8: their big July one tax cut celebration.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's got a majority of experts in the AFR
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Speaker 2: against Jim Charmers. They're saying, you're not going to get
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Speaker 2: to that to three percent ban until June next year. Again,
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Speaker 2: that's why I think they might go early. Talk to
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Speaker 2: me about news poll. There's been a drop in primary
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Speaker 2: support for both sides it's been a one percent drop
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Speaker 2: there for Labor to thirty two. For the Coalition it's
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Speaker 2: been three percentage points four. They're still ahead on thirty
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Speaker 2: six two pp That works out in Labour's favor. I mean,
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Speaker 2: my take on this is both sides are being punished
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Speaker 2: when they're not talking about cost of living, the Coalition
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Speaker 2: being on about nuclear feeds and energy prices. Of course
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Speaker 2: it does, but they're still not back on the topic
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Speaker 2: that most people want them to focus on, saying with
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Speaker 2: the government, what's your thoughts?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, look, I think Peter Dutton's announcement of a
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Speaker 8: nuclear energy policy, which came during the period of this survey,
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Speaker 8: means that what we've actually seen is Peter Dutton throwing
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Speaker 8: a big nuclear rock into the pond. He has upset
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Speaker 8: what was a steady increase in support for the Coalition.
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Speaker 8: They were up to thirty nine, they were just getting
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Speaker 8: there to around forty in some polls, and what he
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Speaker 8: has done is changed the whole debate. He's confused people
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Speaker 8: and I think this is true. Both sides were then
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Speaker 8: concentrating on nuclear energy and they weren't looking at the
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Speaker 8: question of cost of living, and both of them paid
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Speaker 8: that price. But while the Liberals suffered a big fall
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Speaker 8: in primary vote three points, which had taken the months
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Speaker 8: to build up. You have to remember that July one,
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Speaker 8: the day this poll came out, the Labor Party was launching.
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Speaker 8: It's billions and billions in tax cuts, its energy rebates,
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Speaker 8: it's wage rises, it's social assistance, it's housing relief. All
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Speaker 8: of these things were coming out today. And what did
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Speaker 8: we see the Labor Party on primary vote back to
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Speaker 8: below what it was at the last election. That's a
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Speaker 8: lot of effort for no return.
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Speaker 2: And look, of course, you know if Labor does go early,
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has to get the nuclear policy out and
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Speaker 2: socialize it. So you would expect something as tough as
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Speaker 2: nuclear to cause a hit to your numbers when it
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Speaker 2: comes out. So you've got to get it out there,
22:13
Speaker 2: you've got to socialize it, you got to talk it up,
22:15
Speaker 2: you've got to.
22:16
Speaker 4: Get people to understand it. And I look at those numbers.
22:18
Speaker 2: I think it's forty two four nuclear, forty five against
22:21
Speaker 2: thirteen undercided. That's a far better position for Dutton on
22:25
Speaker 2: nuclear than was the initial numbers on the Voice.
22:29
Speaker 8: Tennis, Oh, absolutely, And look he turned the voice around
22:34
Speaker 8: from sixty forty to forty sixty, So forty two to
22:38
Speaker 8: forty five is not a major problem for Peter Dutton
22:41
Speaker 8: and it is a huge change on what support for
22:45
Speaker 8: nuclear power was just a few years ago. What we
22:48
Speaker 8: have seen is young people adopting the idea of nuclear
22:53
Speaker 8: power to cut carbon emissions. So that Peter Dutton is
22:58
Speaker 8: running on his net zero zero emissions nuclear power and
23:05
Speaker 8: I think that that will help him convert those numbers
23:09
Speaker 8: and turn them into a positive before the election, which
23:13
Speaker 8: I don't think necessarily will be early.
23:17
Speaker 2: All right, Well, well see who's right by the end
23:20
Speaker 2: of the year. Thank you, Dennis looks boy. Do your
23:22
Speaker 2: company seed right out of those disgraceful scenes out of
23:25
Speaker 2: Canberra where four war memorials, quite close to the Australian
23:29
Speaker 2: National War Memorial have been vandalized with pro Palestinian messages.
23:34
Speaker 4: Now this is the third time since March.
23:37
Speaker 2: That this area has been targeted by vandals, but police
23:41
Speaker 2: yet to lay any charges for more. I'm joined now
23:44
Speaker 2: by former Afghan soldier, now veteran of course, Federal L
23:48
Speaker 2: ANDP member for the seat of Herbert Phil Thompson.
23:51
Speaker 4: Phil thank you for your time.
23:53
Speaker 2: What on Earth goes through your mind when you see
23:58
Speaker 2: vandalism on sacred monuments like this.
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Speaker 5: I start with anger, furious, and then I landed with
24:09
Speaker 5: I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed that people within Australia think that
24:13
Speaker 5: this is acceptable. We have people in canber and around
24:18
Speaker 5: the country who are desecrating our most sacred sites. We
24:22
Speaker 5: have people that pay the ultimate sacrifice, killed in battle,
24:26
Speaker 5: killed in war. For people to have that freedom of speech,
24:30
Speaker 5: of speech and expression to now think that it's okay
24:34
Speaker 5: to vandalyze the Extrain War Memorial and our most sacred
24:38
Speaker 5: war memorials around the nation, I think it's disgraceful. It's
24:42
Speaker 5: hurtful to the families, it's hurtful to everyone that's worn
24:45
Speaker 5: the uniform. And I'm absolutely disappointed in US as a
24:49
Speaker 5: nation that we are not condemning this much harder and
24:53
Speaker 5: much faster and putting these people in front of a
24:56
Speaker 5: court system because that's where they belong.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just on that point about freedom of speech, I mean,
25:03
Speaker 2: I think it's a cheap shot for these protesters to
25:05
Speaker 2: say that this is freedom of speech. They've got countless
25:08
Speaker 2: ways to demonstrate and speak out for their pro Palestinian
25:13
Speaker 2: in some case pro humas anti Israel, anti Semitic bile.
25:18
Speaker 2: They've got plenty of opportunities to do that. But this
25:20
Speaker 2: is vandalism, This is a property damage. This is desecration,
25:24
Speaker 2: as you say. But what stumps me these are four
25:27
Speaker 2: monuments over the weekend, the third such time since March
25:31
Speaker 2: we've seen this damage done, but there has not been
25:34
Speaker 2: a charge laid by the police have come.
25:40
Speaker 5: These scumbags should be in cuffs. I think it's that simple.
25:44
Speaker 5: The police need to bolster their numbers and the investigation
25:47
Speaker 5: for this to take place, because this is criminal activity.
25:51
Speaker 5: This is criminal behavior and should not be accepted, and
25:54
Speaker 5: we shouldn't be seen several month delays in getting these
25:59
Speaker 5: people in handcuffs and before a court system.
26:05
Speaker 4: Canbra's wall to Walls CCTV.
26:07
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a really prominent avenue. I don't
26:12
Speaker 2: buy that there's not some sort of footage of people
26:15
Speaker 2: there at the site.
26:19
Speaker 5: I'm imagining there would be. And I'd like to see
26:23
Speaker 5: tougher language come out of our political leadership out of
26:26
Speaker 5: Canberra and around the country. We saw today more weak
26:30
Speaker 5: leadership and weak words from the Prime Minister where you
26:33
Speaker 5: said that Israelis and Palestinians they all say from the
26:38
Speaker 5: river to the sea, which is incorrect. People who say
26:42
Speaker 5: from the river to the sea are Hamas, which is
26:44
Speaker 5: a terrorist group and terror sympathizers. This is not good enough.
26:48
Speaker 5: We need to see action. We need to see our
26:50
Speaker 5: leadership stand up and go. We will not put up
26:52
Speaker 5: with this anymore less both of these numbers. I want
26:55
Speaker 5: people in handcuffs by an end date because people around
26:58
Speaker 5: the country, our service and women don't deserve to be
27:01
Speaker 5: seeing this horrendous stuff been happening at our most sacred sites.
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Speaker 2: MPs on your side today were saying, look, we need
27:11
Speaker 2: to throw the book at this. A desecration of military
27:14
Speaker 2: sites of war memorials. It shouldn't be the same penalty
27:18
Speaker 2: to put graffiti and violent messages all over a war
27:22
Speaker 2: memorial as it is to do the same thing at
27:24
Speaker 2: a train station.
27:25
Speaker 4: Now do you agree?
27:26
Speaker 2: Do you think we should have a weighted penalty for
27:28
Speaker 2: people who do this at the war memorial.
27:32
Speaker 4: And stronger tougher penalties.
27:37
Speaker 5: The simple answer is yes. I raised it with some
27:40
Speaker 5: colleagues today and as they were moving around the building,
27:44
Speaker 5: I've stopped a few people. I do because that's the
27:46
Speaker 5: sentiment of the nation and that's what our ADF personnel
27:51
Speaker 5: would like to see, and I agree with it because
27:54
Speaker 5: you're absolutely right, more than one hundred thousand names entered
27:58
Speaker 5: on the wall of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice.
28:01
Speaker 5: Having graffiti vandalized and spray painted across there is absolutely
28:07
Speaker 5: different to a train station, and that's why harsher penalties
28:10
Speaker 5: should be sought and the book should be thrown at them.
28:12
Speaker 5: And I want to see people in handcuffs, and I
28:14
Speaker 5: want to see their faces on TV. And I want
28:17
Speaker 5: this to be stamped out and not encouraged.
28:21
Speaker 4: What do you think veterans think.
28:25
Speaker 5: I think veterans like myself go through the emotion of anger,
28:31
Speaker 5: sad and upset, and that's where I sit now. I
28:36
Speaker 5: think you know to the vandals that if they're watching tonight,
28:39
Speaker 5: you are hurting more people. You're hurting people doing this.
28:42
Speaker 5: This is not good for your cause and this scumbag
28:44
Speaker 5: behavior must stop.
28:47
Speaker 4: It's pot on a field. Timpson, thank you all.
28:50
Speaker 2: Right after the break, the dilemma for the Democrats Joe
28:53
Speaker 2: Biden failing to fire during their US presidential debate on Friday.
28:57
Speaker 4: Now, can they replace him? Well, they can.
28:59
Speaker 2: It's been complicated, but they can and If so, who
29:02
Speaker 2: will they choose? Plus Emmanuel Macron snap election called backfiring,
29:08
Speaker 2: a huge anti immigration vote in France. It's got ramifications
29:13
Speaker 2: across Europe and the West. Welcome back coming out, twenty
29:21
Speaker 2: four fire brigades threatening to strike over the government's rush
29:24
Speaker 2: for renewables. They're refusing to patrol sites where the rollout
29:29
Speaker 2: is occurring.
29:30
Speaker 4: But first, the first US presidential debate.
29:33
Speaker 2: It's come early could signal the beginning of the end
29:36
Speaker 2: for Joe Biden after a woeful performance riddled with incoherent
29:41
Speaker 2: ramblings and bizarre facial expressions. It's left the Democrats with
29:45
Speaker 2: a huge dilemma. Do they stick with a president who
29:49
Speaker 2: has defeated Trump before but is clearly in cognitive decline,
29:53
Speaker 2: or do they parachute in a new contender? And just
29:57
Speaker 2: who is that joining me now? Was former senior defense
30:01
Speaker 2: intelligence analyst contributed for The Australia and Paul Monk.
30:06
Speaker 4: Paul, you will have watched it as I did.
30:08
Speaker 2: I mean, you just couldn't take your eyes away from
30:12
Speaker 2: what we saw at eleven o'clock on Friday. What did
30:16
Speaker 2: you make of Biden's performance?
30:20
Speaker 10: Well, I think my reaction would have been some of
30:22
Speaker 10: that of most people, regardless of their politics, and that
30:26
Speaker 10: is that these were all the science of a man
30:28
Speaker 10: who is mentally and physically frail. And we should bear
30:33
Speaker 10: in mind that the previous day in his State of
30:34
Speaker 10: the Union address, he appeared anything but he spoke clearly
30:37
Speaker 10: and vigorously. But the key thing is that people have
30:41
Speaker 10: to say, well, but when it comes to a major
30:43
Speaker 10: decision and other speech of foreign engagement, which Biden, will
30:46
Speaker 10: we see and you shouldn't have to ask that question.
30:50
Speaker 10: So that's what's landed on the American voting public since Friday,
30:54
Speaker 10: and it's clear that it's cost Biden a great deal
30:58
Speaker 10: in terms of credibility and popularity as a candidate.
31:03
Speaker 2: The labor in P he's the doctor Mike Freelander. This
31:06
Speaker 2: is Australian labor and P he has said he thinks
31:09
Speaker 2: Biden's Scott Parkinson's disease. Clearly, we have talked about him
31:14
Speaker 2: having some sort of medical condition here for many months.
31:17
Speaker 4: In Australia.
31:18
Speaker 2: I've said for about a year that I cannot imagine
31:21
Speaker 2: he will be there on the ballot in November. It's
31:25
Speaker 2: like they've just woken up tow it in America or at
31:27
Speaker 2: least at publicly talking about it. I think it's been
31:29
Speaker 2: a conversation with Democrats, but now you have the cheers
31:33
Speaker 2: squad left media. The New York Times, as an example,
31:36
Speaker 2: said it has got to go. I watched a lot
31:38
Speaker 2: of CNN over the weekend. They were damning in terms
31:43
Speaker 2: of his performance. Now that he has lost the mainstream media,
31:48
Speaker 2: do you think this is really the beginning of the end?
31:53
Speaker 10: Well, I think the dilemma for the Democratic Party and
31:56
Speaker 10: the people who manage it there that once we should
31:58
Speaker 10: be looking at closely, is they should have made this
32:01
Speaker 10: move a long time ago. And now we're getting closer
32:05
Speaker 10: and closer to the election. Trump is clearly leading. If
32:08
Speaker 10: the election was to be held tomorrow, there seems no
32:10
Speaker 10: doubt he would win a landslide, and so the Democrats
32:14
Speaker 10: have to decide if we change candidate, if we switch
32:18
Speaker 10: horses in midstream, is that going to help will harm
32:20
Speaker 10: our cause? And all the signs are that his kitchen
32:23
Speaker 10: cabinet and the people around him, and Obama and Clinton,
32:27
Speaker 10: Bill Clinton are all rallying around the zone. And I
32:29
Speaker 10: know he's fine, He's fine. That's not a good look,
32:32
Speaker 10: you know. I think that the voting public would be
32:34
Speaker 10: far more impressed if people took a deep breath and said,
32:37
Speaker 10: we have to confront the truth and persuaded Biden that
32:41
Speaker 10: he needs to come clean with the voting public and
32:44
Speaker 10: urge them to vote for another candidate. But at the
32:47
Speaker 10: moment that's not what's happening.
32:49
Speaker 4: So so.
32:51
Speaker 2: In mechanical terms, they can put up a new candidate.
32:53
Speaker 2: We all know it isn't easy normally that the vice
32:56
Speaker 2: president would be the front runner. But there's not a
32:58
Speaker 2: lot of support at all for Kamala Harris. Lukewarman besst.
33:01
Speaker 2: I can absolutely understand why this is the party of
33:05
Speaker 2: peak diversity, though, so how do they pass over a
33:07
Speaker 2: woman of color. She's not black, she doesn't have Afro
33:10
Speaker 2: American heritage. A lot of people get that wrong. But
33:13
Speaker 2: how do they pass over a woman of color? And
33:16
Speaker 2: if it's not Harris, who is it?
33:20
Speaker 10: Well? I think that the key question here again is
33:23
Speaker 10: a matter of what I would call a moral courage
33:26
Speaker 10: of the leidship of the Democratic Party. They need to
33:28
Speaker 10: be willing to say Kamala Harris was chosen on the
33:32
Speaker 10: basis of identity politics, and we didn't expect that you'd
33:37
Speaker 10: become president, and we need somebody now who will be
33:40
Speaker 10: presidential from the get go, and so we need an
33:44
Speaker 10: open convention. And this is a really rare thing. But
33:48
Speaker 10: if the top brass can step up to the plate
33:51
Speaker 10: and be honest with American public, I think that a
33:53
Speaker 10: lot would impress a lot of voters because too many people,
33:57
Speaker 10: too many voters, I think Arlene towards Trump because they
34:01
Speaker 10: distrust the Democratic establishment, and that establishment is facing you
34:07
Speaker 10: know what, you could say, a debarcle of its own making.
34:13
Speaker 10: They haven't shown enough forward vision. They haven't brought forward
34:17
Speaker 10: the people who would constitute a really gripping or compelling
34:21
Speaker 10: leadership ticket. So at the moment there at a bit
34:24
Speaker 10: of a loss.
34:24
Speaker 4: There's got some talk for all. Go on, I don't
34:30
Speaker 4: I know you place place, go on.
34:33
Speaker 10: I was just going to say, there's been talk, for example,
34:35
Speaker 10: of wanting to get Hillary Clinton to make another stand.
34:42
Speaker 10: Be interesting to see how that went, or of getting it,
34:47
Speaker 10: you know, not so much another rerun, but getting Madame
34:53
Speaker 10: Obama to step up. And she's indicators I understand that
34:56
Speaker 10: she has no interest in running on one. Whether if
35:01
Speaker 10: the Democratic leadership was to say, well, listen, for the
35:03
Speaker 10: sake of the party, we have to have somebody, and
35:06
Speaker 10: it really has to be a woman, and preferably a
35:08
Speaker 10: woman of color, and you're perfect candidate, please please please,
35:12
Speaker 10: But again that's not it seems to me at the
35:14
Speaker 10: moment what's happening. There's been talking of Gavin Newsom stepping up,
35:18
Speaker 10: but he doesn't have much time and he's a relatively
35:21
Speaker 10: colorless political figure, so they've got a real dilemma on
35:24
Speaker 10: their hands.
35:27
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I look, having worked in a political office
35:31
Speaker 2: at the White House administration, we know that Biden's clearly
35:34
Speaker 2: not running the country. And that begs a question who
35:37
Speaker 2: is running America because it is not the president, and
35:40
Speaker 2: that in itself is debasing democracy. Hey, I just want
35:43
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on France. Emmanuel Macron called that
35:47
Speaker 2: snap election. It looks like it's a backfight. I mean,
35:51
Speaker 2: this is just the first round, but the far right
35:53
Speaker 2: National rallies one thirty four percent of the popular vote.
35:56
Speaker 4: This is a political earth.
35:58
Speaker 2: Quake, not just for the left in France, but I
36:01
Speaker 2: think broad across Europe, isn't it?
36:05
Speaker 5: It is?
36:05
Speaker 10: And France, of course, ever since seventeen eighty nine has
36:09
Speaker 10: been a country of revolution and political change, quite turbulent
36:13
Speaker 10: and for a long time, right through the ninteth century,
36:16
Speaker 10: rather unstable, but it is looked to as one of
36:19
Speaker 10: the as you might put it, founding members of the
36:23
Speaker 10: Democratic West. And what we're seeing at the moment is
36:26
Speaker 10: the collapse not so much of the left per se,
36:29
Speaker 10: but of Macron's attempt to hold things together with a
36:32
Speaker 10: centrist coalition. And so Marie Lapalace doing a brilliant job
36:36
Speaker 10: from a conservative point of view. She's reshaped the rest
36:40
Speaker 10: Masonale from the days of her father, who was admittedly
36:44
Speaker 10: a fascist, and she's responding as Donald Trump and other
36:49
Speaker 10: leaders are to clear public concerns about illegal immigration and
36:53
Speaker 10: did immigration and the scale of immigration per se, and concerns
36:59
Speaker 10: about globe trade. So it's not as if what people
37:04
Speaker 10: like to call populism is without foundation. What's going to
37:07
Speaker 10: be interesting is if the results for the National Assembly
37:11
Speaker 10: turn out as they appel likely to do. Either you
37:14
Speaker 10: will have the National Rally governing in its own right,
37:18
Speaker 10: which Marine is calling for, or you'll have somebody having
37:24
Speaker 10: the form of coalition to govern. But above all, it
37:28
Speaker 10: seems to me you'll have an enlivened politics between right
37:31
Speaker 10: and left rather than a complete collapse of the left.
37:33
Speaker 10: First A, and that's actually to the good because the
37:37
Speaker 10: issues that are on the table in the United States,
37:39
Speaker 10: in France and elsewhere are perfectly real issues. They're not
37:42
Speaker 10: an idle conjuration, and we should watch this space with
37:46
Speaker 10: great interest because in our own way we have comparable
37:48
Speaker 10: issues here.
37:51
Speaker 2: I didn't move much from my TV over the weekend.
37:53
Speaker 2: I was watching Sky, of course, but all the foreign
37:56
Speaker 2: national news networks across this issue, and of course the
37:59
Speaker 2: Biden issue.
38:00
Speaker 4: Thank you for your insides, Paul.
38:02
Speaker 2: After the break, The Greens are on a new mission
38:04
Speaker 2: after the Voice to the Parliament failed. Their latest effort
38:07
Speaker 2: is truth telling. I'll get to that one with Justenter
38:10
Speaker 2: Price in a moment. And the government's failings in indigenous affairs.
38:19
Speaker 4: Still ahead. Why I bought a force taxpayers.
38:22
Speaker 2: I might add buying brand new boats speed boats for
38:25
Speaker 2: asylum seconds. I'll get into that with my panel in
38:28
Speaker 2: a moment. But first the Greens, well, they've announced they
38:32
Speaker 2: will introduce a bill to establish a Truth and Justice
38:35
Speaker 2: Commission this week two. They say, look at how historic
38:39
Speaker 2: and ongoing injustices impact Indigenous Australians. It follows a course
38:44
Speaker 2: of failure of Labour's Voice to the Parliament, which saw
38:47
Speaker 2: sixty percent of the nation vote against Albanese's voice. The
38:52
Speaker 2: more I'm joined now by Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians,
38:55
Speaker 2: Justinenter Price.
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Speaker 4: Well, great to have you just center.
38:59
Speaker 2: I could not leave this when I heard about it,
39:02
Speaker 2: that the Greens will push on for something with something
39:05
Speaker 2: that Australians so clearly rejected.
39:08
Speaker 4: What do you make of it?
39:11
Speaker 11: Oh, look, Peter, the Greens aren't interested in what Australia
39:15
Speaker 11: has to say on any issues. They haven't heard or
39:18
Speaker 11: bother to take notice of the result of the referendum.
39:21
Speaker 11: They would prefer to continue down a path of division
39:24
Speaker 11: within our country, of reinvention of culture, they infantilize Indigenous Australians,
39:30
Speaker 11: and not focusing on meeting the needs of our most
39:33
Speaker 11: marginalized nor looking at improving economic independence for our marginalized
39:39
Speaker 11: Indigenous Australians. They just hell bent on pushing ideology.
39:45
Speaker 4: Do you think it'll get up? Do you think labor
39:47
Speaker 4: will support it?
39:50
Speaker 11: Well, Labor in their right mind shouldn't be supporting it
39:53
Speaker 11: because they clearly understand the result of the referendum. It
39:57
Speaker 11: would not benefit them to support this. You never know,
40:01
Speaker 11: in desperation they may choose to do so. I would
40:05
Speaker 11: hope that they wouldn't. I mean, they have spent they
40:08
Speaker 11: put aside twenty seven million for Macarata. They're not clear
40:12
Speaker 11: on They haven't been clear with the Australian people. But
40:14
Speaker 11: they need to come clean on what they intend to
40:17
Speaker 11: do in terms of the Truth Telling Commission that they
40:20
Speaker 11: say they still support, whether it's to the Greens and
40:23
Speaker 11: whether it's some other measures that they haven't revealed yet.
40:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right to remind us his twenty seven million
40:30
Speaker 2: dollars still in the budget.
40:32
Speaker 4: Labor has kept Macarata on the table.
40:35
Speaker 2: Immediately after his loss on the Voice, the Prime Minister said, look,
40:39
Speaker 2: all these indigenous leaders want a a week to consider
40:42
Speaker 2: the loss. Then I'll come back and have something more
40:44
Speaker 2: to say. Well, he's never come back and told us
40:47
Speaker 2: what's happening with treaty. He has people in the department
40:51
Speaker 2: working on it. I know because they talk to me.
40:53
Speaker 2: He has got that money. As you remind us then
40:55
Speaker 2: on Macarata Commission, I mean, is there a concern that
40:59
Speaker 2: when they get deaf spread for the votes of the
41:01
Speaker 2: Greens of the Senate, that Labor might horse trade on this.
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Speaker 11: Well, I wouldn't put it past them, and they're being
41:09
Speaker 11: very sneaky.
41:10
Speaker 4: They've been very sneaky. We haven't heard.
41:12
Speaker 11: Much, in fact at all on anything to do with
41:17
Speaker 11: Indigenous policy ever since the referendum. There's been a whole
41:22
Speaker 11: raft of problems, a whole raft of issues, but nothing
41:25
Speaker 11: proposed going forward as to how they're supposed to again
41:29
Speaker 11: support our most marginalized Indigenous Australians.
41:34
Speaker 2: You put them under some pressure in estimates. What can
41:36
Speaker 2: you tell us about the government's performance in your key
41:40
Speaker 2: portfolio of Indigenous affairs. Well, we know that there's been
41:45
Speaker 2: a huge debarkle with NAJA, their legal organization that's supposed
41:50
Speaker 2: to support Indigenous territorians. We know that they unfairly dismissed
41:55
Speaker 2: their CEO back in October of last year, which has
41:59
Speaker 2: led to an exodus of staff, the appointment of a
42:03
Speaker 2: chair with a DV history, and still this board continues
42:08
Speaker 2: to defend their poor record. We know that in March
42:13
Speaker 2: the NIUBA put in place a grant controller, and the
42:16
Speaker 2: grant controller is put in place when organizations are seen
42:20
Speaker 2: to not be utilizing their funds appropriately, and yet they
42:24
Speaker 2: won't take any decent measures to sort this organization out
42:28
Speaker 2: once and for all to stop the funds going to
42:31
Speaker 2: what is a disaster which has seen ninety vulnerable Indigenous
42:36
Speaker 2: territorians without legal representation, twenty seven put.
42:39
Speaker 4: On remand during that time.
42:42
Speaker 11: But we've also found that AURIC that oversees original corporations
42:46
Speaker 11: does not have a mechanism to disqualify a board member
42:50
Speaker 11: or a chair should they have a DV record. And
42:54
Speaker 11: this is just completely and utterly appalling given we have
42:57
Speaker 11: the highest rates of domestic and family violence in the country.
43:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hollow words, isn't it when they when the
43:05
Speaker 2: Labor Party, the Prime Minister in particularly, talks about taking
43:07
Speaker 2: a tough stand on domestic violence. But taxpayers through these bodies,
43:12
Speaker 2: are funding people to take the job on these boards
43:14
Speaker 2: when they've got a shocking history poor record on DV themselves.
43:18
Speaker 2: Thanks for your time, just integrate to see you. We've
43:21
Speaker 2: missed you here. Not that we're talking about the voice anymore.
43:23
Speaker 2: But looks like Labor want to bring it all back,
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Speaker 2: don't they.
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Speaker 3: All?
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Speaker 2: Right after the break firefighters to strike over the government's
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Speaker 2: renewables push. Why they say they aren't willing to risk
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Speaker 2: their lives with the rollout of new renewables programs. Plus
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Speaker 2: those taxpayer funded speedboats for asylum seekers.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in my Monday Night or your Monday Night
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Speaker 2: Dynamic duo Skynese contributor Ford Howard Government minister, former Howard
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Speaker 2: Government Minister Gary Hargraves and Llen p MP former Resources
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Speaker 2: Minister Keith pitt Well Jens.
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Speaker 4: I want to.
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Speaker 2: Start in Victortoria. We've got twenty four volunteer fire brigades.
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Speaker 2: They're saying that they will strike over the government's rush
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Speaker 2: to renewables. This is the Country Fire Authority, this is
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Speaker 2: the CFA, and there are firefighters across Victorias saying we're
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Speaker 2: not willing to risk our lives fighting fires around all
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Speaker 2: of these new projects. Citing a woeful lack of community
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Speaker 2: consultation a letter to the state government, the CFA have
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Speaker 2: called for an immediate halt to all the proposed projects
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Speaker 2: that demanded alternative solutions beyond the table. In a statement,
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Speaker 2: the CFA Deputy Chief Officer has said, the concerns from
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Speaker 2: our CFA members.
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Speaker 4: Have been heard.
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Speaker 2: We're working with them to ensure there's the right information
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Speaker 2: out there. This, of course, Keith pertains to high voltage
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Speaker 2: transmission lines, wind turbines, the standoff zones around these installations,
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Speaker 2: and the fact that with modern firefighting aerial firefighting, you
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Speaker 2: can't get anywhere near close as some of these areas,
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Speaker 2: and Victoria has had catastrophic loss of life with fires.
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Speaker 4: This is really serious, absolutely, Peter.
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Speaker 7: There's a couple of extraordinary statements hanging around the first
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Speaker 7: one is the Victorian governments claim that no power line
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Speaker 7: in Victoria's ever started a bush fire. I mean they
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Speaker 7: start them everywhere else. I mean, whats the Victoria is
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Speaker 7: any different? And the that says they do, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 7: And the CFA are on the money here. There's a
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Speaker 7: whole lot of things that they know about fires, fires
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Speaker 7: in grass, fires in timber, fire and structures. But fires
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Speaker 7: amongst hundreds of thousands of solar panels, fires amongst very
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Speaker 7: large batteries and substation batteries and other infrastructure. Now, what
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Speaker 7: are the risks, how do they deal with them? And
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Speaker 7: then of course everything to do with additional HV transmission.
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Speaker 7: So I think the firefighters are right they should be
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Speaker 7: asking for more information and how these things will be
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Speaker 7: dealt with, because it's been completely ignored by other the
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Speaker 7: Victorian government, state governments all over the country.
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Speaker 2: Yep, Gary, what do you make of these reports today
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Speaker 2: that asylum seekers were sent back to Indonesia in a
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Speaker 2: speedboat provided by Australian taxpayers. This is via the Australian
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Speaker 2: Border Force. Now, back in the day under Tony Abbott,
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Speaker 2: when we stopped the boats, he used to put them
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Speaker 2: in orange lifeboats. They were that fast, but you couldn't
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Speaker 2: scuttle them. You put them in a speedboat that will
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Speaker 2: be used again by people smugglers. And it looks like
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Speaker 2: that's what's been happening. You know, we've had people getting
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Speaker 2: to the mainland undetected. Talk was they were using fast vessels.
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Speaker 2: I bet we're giving them the boats that they come
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Speaker 2: back with the next time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a continuity of business plan from Border Force.
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Speaker 1: I think, Peter, it'll keep them employed. But this is
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Speaker 1: just shows you how the loss of direction this government
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Speaker 1: has now inflicted upon every day Australia. As the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister can't make a decision about anything anywhere anytime anymore.
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Speaker 1: This is a bloke who actually has lost his entire
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Speaker 1: moral compass. While the people smugglers are just going to
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Speaker 1: keep testing our resolve on this. You know, we have
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Speaker 1: to decide who comes to Australia the terms under which
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Speaker 1: they come, and we certainly shouldn't be shouting them a
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Speaker 1: fast speedboat to make their job any easier. They're doing
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Speaker 1: enough damage to us already. And this bloke's heart's not
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Speaker 1: in it. Anthony Elbow was fast becoming the Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: down under.
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Speaker 4: Spot on.
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Speaker 2: Hey, what about this research out today from the Australian
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Speaker 2: hr Institute that says four out of ten organizations they
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Speaker 2: want overseas workers, forty percent of employers are saying they've
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Speaker 2: got a better work ethic than Australians. I mean, Keith,
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Speaker 2: my worry is we've got about a million Australians on
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Speaker 2: the doll we've got huge immigration, we're bringing in foreign
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Speaker 2: workers and you know, only wonder people don't want to
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Speaker 2: hire Australians, Peter.
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Speaker 7: When we took tough decisions in government around the CA,
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Speaker 7: this debit card and that trial worked, absolutely worked. The
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Speaker 7: labor government took it away and they brought in six
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Speaker 7: hundred and fifty thousand people in twelve months. And guess what,
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Speaker 7: they're desperate to be here, absolutely desperate. So it's no
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Speaker 7: surprise to me that they'll line up they'll do anything.
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Speaker 7: They'll work hard, they'll do extra hours, they'll do whatever
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Speaker 7: it takes to stay in this country because they understand
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Speaker 7: what a golden ticket it is to be in Australia.
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Speaker 2: What about the teals They now want to water down
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Speaker 2: Labour's proposed cap on international students. This is Zoe Daniel
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Speaker 2: in particular, but Allegras Spender is also in on this.
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Speaker 4: Gary. What do you make of it?
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Speaker 1: Well, one thing's for sure, the work ethic amongst the
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Speaker 1: student base is what's kept the restaurant and hospitality industry
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Speaker 1: going for a long time, Peter, and really right now,
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Speaker 1: Australians are job snobs. They won't do certain things. They
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Speaker 1: won't clean hotel rooms, they won't clean up after other Australians,
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Speaker 1: but students will. So there's actually a point to this.
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Speaker 1: And I think the kind of crash or crash through
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Speaker 1: approach they're taking with migration, be it border force or
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Speaker 1: be it a failure to actually set the right numbers,
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Speaker 1: is a real issue. The government needs to have a
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Speaker 1: mature conversation. But we need to have some mature ministers
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Speaker 1: first to make that possible.
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Speaker 2: Call me cynical here, Keith, but I bet the universities
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Speaker 2: want the students because of the money it gives them.
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Speaker 2: We saw reports in the City Morning Herald that about
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Speaker 2: half of the vice chancellors, this is the university CEOs,
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Speaker 2: they're on salaries of at least a million dollars.
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Speaker 7: Well, that's because they're big business, and big businesses make
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Speaker 7: big money, and a lot of the it's off the
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Speaker 7: back of the tax payer, but even more is coming
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Speaker 7: from foreign fee paying students and they're getting the rewards.
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Speaker 2: Yep, right, I'll leave it there, gentlemen, I'll finish up.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you all tomorrow night at six here on Kredlin.
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Speaker 2: See you both next week. Next is back from his
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Speaker 2: sojourn and re Bolt