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Joel Anderson on Georgia-Alabama showdown, Arch Manning's uncertain future, Deion Sanders demise | 10.07 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Right Time, presented by PrizePix.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It's that time of week where we have
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  Speaker 1: him out on the Press Box. Go ahead and do
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  Speaker 1: the last part, man.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going to wait until you say the name,
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  Speaker 2: and then I'm going to throw it up.
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  Speaker 1: How long you going to keep calling false start, Joel Addison?
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  Speaker 2: I just said your name.
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  Speaker 1: I should have just kept talking to see how long
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  Speaker 1: you would have kept going.
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  Speaker 2: I was just trying to get it started.
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  Speaker 1: When Joel do that, what he really saying is, who
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  Speaker 1: trying to get on the love boat? You remember Dante Culpepper? Oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: stop it. Who got seats on the boat?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even think about it. You know, for some reason,
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  Speaker 2: I've associated more with Fred Smoot because the craziest stories
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  Speaker 2: from that boat seem to have been affiliated with Fred Smoot.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like just about I have forgotten all the
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  Speaker 1: particular details about the love boat. We'll get to that, though.
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  Speaker 1: We got Joel on because while he hates many things,
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  Speaker 1: he loves college football, and they got a good college
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  Speaker 1: football show, so I wanted to talk some college football
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  Speaker 1: with my good friend, Joel. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: He was just saying that he dropped his little man
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  Speaker 1: off at pre-K, and he met one of his fans.
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  Speaker 2: I did. I did. So yeah, I dropped Dez. I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you, it was his first day of pre-K. And
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  Speaker 2: shout out Danny. He came through the office and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: big fan. And I'm just, I'm here with my kid.
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  Speaker 2: It totally threw me off. I'm like, of what? He's like,
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  Speaker 2: You're not, he said, you're not as much of a
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  Speaker 2: hater as Bomani says you are.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, boy, but I can't wait for him to find
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  Speaker 1: out in real life. I can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I'm lying. He said, you're a perfect hater. He said,
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  Speaker 2: you're a perfect hater. I was going to see how
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  Speaker 2: excited you were. I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, don't you worry. He's going to get to
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  Speaker 1: see you every day. He's going to get you in
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  Speaker 1: the border when you're grumpy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. No, no, no. I'm about to be, I'm
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  Speaker 2: fired up. I'm ready to be part of the PTA now.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay. I see. You got your squad there. It's
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  Speaker 1: your crew. You somebody up there. I am, man. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, look, man. Knowing somebody in the front office of
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  Speaker 2: the school can't hurt.
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  Speaker 1: That's real talk. They ain't going to leave you sitting
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  Speaker 1: in the lobby.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. No, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Joel going to see the kids fighting in the cafeteria.
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  Speaker 1: They going to come talk to him immediately, right? That's
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  Speaker 1: what it is. Joel, somebody in there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't going to have to break it up myself.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Looking like Buddy on the Street of the Wire and
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  Speaker 3: Hashtag Him when they was fighting over basketball. That was
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  Speaker 3: Clarence Clements, if I'm not mistaken, on the E Street Band.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, but wait, also, was it Jonathan Majors who showed
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  Speaker 2: up somewhere, was doing the.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Don't get me started talking about that, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even look back. College football. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: we like to talk about what has happened because the
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  Speaker 1: numbers have been on that. But we got Georgia, Alabama
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  Speaker 1: this week, man. And it's interesting because Georgia and Alabama
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  Speaker 1: historically have not played that much. Right. They played far
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  Speaker 1: fewer games than people realize. And I looked it up
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  Speaker 1: and apparently it was because of the Saturday Evening Post scandal.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: Remember in the Saturday Evening Post where they wrote the
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  Speaker 1: article that accused Bear Bryant and the coach, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it was Georgia Tech, of fixing games?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Bryant won the lawsuit and everything else. But
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  Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, you would think Georgia and Alabama
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  Speaker 1: being border schools would play a lot more than they
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  Speaker 1: have over the years. And even in recent times, we
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  Speaker 1: see them play in the championship games. But it is
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  Speaker 1: not really a rivalry.
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  Speaker 2: Auburn is more Georgia's rival from Alabama.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that is a rivalry.
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  Speaker 2: That is a rivalry.
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  Speaker 1: That's a their play every year. The whole reason they
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  Speaker 1: ran the SEC schedule like they did with the cross-division
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  Speaker 1: games was to protect Alabama, Tennessee, and to protect Georgia-Auburn
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  Speaker 1: because it's that much of a game. But this is
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  Speaker 1: a rivalry that is largely based on the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they've been beasts.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Really, at this point, it's going on a decade now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is really a new rivalry that has
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  Speaker 2: formed over the last decade. Once Kirby Smart got Georgia rolling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the part of it also, is the
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  Speaker 1: saving Kirby element of it. And it becomes intriguing because
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  Speaker 1: as dominant as Georgia has been, it's Alabama they can't
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  Speaker 1: really do nothing with.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, man, even last year when... Alabama was not...
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think anybody thought they were that
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  Speaker 2: good last year, right? And they still beat Georgia in
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  Speaker 2: the regular season. Now, of course, the SEC championship game,
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  Speaker 2: things had sort of taken shape by then. And by
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  Speaker 2: the end of the year, Bama fans were upset at him.
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  Speaker 2: But that Georgia win gave Kalen DeBoer a lot more
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  Speaker 2: rope and a lot more patience during that regular season
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  Speaker 2: where they did not appear to be very good and
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  Speaker 2: had already lost to Florida State, who was horrible last year.
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  Speaker 3: They did.
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  Speaker 1: Which, I mean... That's why Mike Norvell is still there,
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  Speaker 1: or is it just the fact that they ain't got
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  Speaker 1: no money?
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  Speaker 2: They broke.
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  Speaker 1: They just cannot. And by the way, good for everybody involved, right?
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  Speaker 1: You should ride it out.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the buyout.
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  Speaker 1: The buyout is supposed to make you ride it out.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing that's amazing about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's supposed to make it hard.
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  Speaker 1: It's supposed to be an enforcement. They're like, whatever. How
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  Speaker 1: much money you need? I'll be right back. $ 70 million. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be right back.
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  Speaker 2: It never makes sense. Again, I mean, Penn State is
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  Speaker 2: finding this out as well. Like, you know, just... sometimes
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  Speaker 2: a bad year is just going to have to be
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  Speaker 2: a bad year. Back in the day when we were,
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  Speaker 2: you know, 80s and 90s, the legends, they would have
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  Speaker 2: bad years occasionally. They might go five and six, four
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  Speaker 2: and seven. And they were allowed to have that because
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  Speaker 2: they had built up enough credibility. And I'm just sort
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  Speaker 2: of shocked at the idea that you can have a
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  Speaker 2: really good team for almost 10 years and to have
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  Speaker 2: had a chance to score at the end of the
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  Speaker 2: game in the national semifinal with a chance to go
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  Speaker 2: to the championship game and just get fired next year
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  Speaker 2: because things fell out of control a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Because they didn't like him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, to be fair to them, though, on the money.
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  Speaker 1: What they were paying him is offset by Virginia Tech.
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  Speaker 1: Like theirs was a little bit– LSU had to pay
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  Speaker 1: Brian Kelly all that money at one time, didn't they?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they did. He wasn't going to leave.
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  Speaker 2: He was going to cause problems for them. He's like, yo,
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  Speaker 2: give me my money.
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  Speaker 1: Brian, give me my money. He wanted that. Now, Caleb DeBoer, look,
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  Speaker 1: you talk about he got himself a little more rope. Hey, man.
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  Speaker 1: All those all just they just pay their loans at
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  Speaker 1: that job.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like this. Nobody ever has any role. Look, Bear Bryant. Now, granted,
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  Speaker 1: he died right after. But Bear Bryant quit after that
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  Speaker 1: one bad year. I mean, he was like, hey, they
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  Speaker 1: didn't care.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they I mean, the people there are not
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  Speaker 2: known for being reasonable about this. But I actually thought
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  Speaker 2: watching them play against Mississippi State was I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is the best team they've had since maybe the
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  Speaker 2: team that lost in the semifinal to Michigan a few
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  Speaker 2: years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think it might be better than
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  Speaker 1: that one because I don't think that team was that good.
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  Speaker 1: That was the last saving team, right?
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Was Bryce on that team? I think that
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  Speaker 2: was Bryce.
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  Speaker 1: And Will Anderson's last team. That was, I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: Milrow was the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: It was Milrow.
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  Speaker 1: That was the year they benched Milrow.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Remember, basically, they'll never say this officially, but the way
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  Speaker 1: it progressed seemed pretty obvious. that Saban was like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I got to get these white folks to calm down.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to put this white dude out here, and
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  Speaker 1: they're going to see why it is that we're sticking
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  Speaker 1: with what they call a running back. Right? That's why
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  Speaker 1: we're going to do that. Now, this is the thing,
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  Speaker 1: and part of why I brought up this game is
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to a good friend of mine who
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  Speaker 1: is a big Alabama fan. And as you might expect,
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  Speaker 1: he is over the moon about Keelan Russell.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: And here's what he says to me. He was like,
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  Speaker 1: he's got Bryce's brain with Milrose legs. We've never had
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  Speaker 1: anything like that before, to which I had to explain
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  Speaker 1: to him. Nobody's had anything like that before. McShay is
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  Speaker 1: out here talking about Russell would be a ninety nine grade.
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  Speaker 1: This appears to be the best quarterback that they've had
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  Speaker 1: since Joe Namath.
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  Speaker 2: Man, so I was wondering, so we're already elevating them
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  Speaker 2: over Tua, already, obviously Jalen.
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  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, about post-Namath Stabler, right,
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  Speaker 1: that run of guys, let's just go into this modern
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  Speaker 1: era of Alabama football.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: He's definitely the most talented.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, by far.
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  Speaker 1: He's definitely the one that checks the most boxes. Athleticism, size,
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  Speaker 1: arm strength, processing, all of that stuff, right? Tua is,
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  Speaker 1: if everything is exactly what he thought it was going
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  Speaker 1: to be off the line of scrimmage, You got this.
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  Speaker 1: The other guys I don't even think are in the discussion,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. Watua was a true five-star, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if he was as highly rated a five-star
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  Speaker 2: as Keelan Russell is. No, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: He was not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Keelan Russell is a whole different... Yeah, they've never... They've
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  Speaker 2: never had anybody this talented because they've never were able
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  Speaker 2: to recruit anybody this good to play in the offense.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on. But to be fair, they haven't
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  Speaker 1: recruited anybody this talented because how many people this talented
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  Speaker 1: have their beards?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, really? I guess. Are you surprised? Because the
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  Speaker 2: thing is, I knew Keelan Russell was talented. And somebody
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  Speaker 2: last year, who was it last year that when... when
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  Speaker 2: they lost to florida state and they were like i
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  Speaker 2: don't know why they don't play the freshman and i
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  Speaker 2: was like really already but they apparently people have known
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  Speaker 2: that this kid was as good as that they just
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  Speaker 2: wanted to let him sit for a year which is
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  Speaker 2: you know that makes a lot of sense to me
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  Speaker 2: if you don't have them for four if.
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  Speaker 1: You feel like you have a guy right yeah i
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  Speaker 1: mean they won a national championship with mac jones and
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  Speaker 1: bryce young was right behind him that's right right that's
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  Speaker 1: right they feel like and just to be clear tua
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  Speaker 1: was rivals number 53 player number.
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  Speaker 2: 53 okay i didn't realize he was that low.
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  Speaker 1: Okay yeah yeah no no no russell Russell came in
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  Speaker 1: there one of them ones.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what's interesting about Russell to me is because
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  Speaker 2: I've always been really skeptical. of the recruits that play
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  Speaker 2: on loaded teams, right? Because I'm like, it's so easy. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you've got all the talent. Nobody is ever touching you.
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  Speaker 1: It's like USC quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 2: Like the USC quarterbacks. So Keelan Russell is from Duncanville
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  Speaker 2: for people that don't know Duncanville. And if you listen
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  Speaker 2: to this show, you probably know what Duncanville is, to
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  Speaker 2: be honest. But it's a suburban power just outside of Dallas.
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  Speaker 2: For people that are not familiar with the area, it
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  Speaker 2: kind of is what Dallas Carter used to be. in
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  Speaker 2: terms of just a bunch of, a wave of talent.
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  Speaker 2: They're always, you know, competing for state championships. And his
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  Speaker 2: team did win a state championship his senior year. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean, again, people have seen the guys he played
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  Speaker 2: with his junior year. They're like 10 FBS starters.
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  Speaker 1: And a couple of dudes are like cold.
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  Speaker 2: Colin Simmons!
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Colin Simmons is on that team. Yeah, if I
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  Speaker 1: say it's cold. I feel like even his receivers were
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  Speaker 1: cold like that, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, DeCorey and Moore, Caden Durham. Like, I mean, just
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of people that have started games at FBS.
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  Speaker 2: He was the pilot of that team. So I'm always like,
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  Speaker 2: how do you know that he's actually good? Because he's
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  Speaker 2: never actually endured any real friction in the pocket. But evidently,
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  Speaker 2: he the one.
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  Speaker 1: And you pointed out, though, my cause for skepticism when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to him. You just said it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: He from Dallas. I just got it as a general rule.
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  Speaker 2: Do you consider Duncanville Dallas?
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  Speaker 1: For purposes of this discussion.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I do.
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  Speaker 2: Because I feel like.
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  Speaker 1: They're a little different. Duncanville's a little more Fort Worth,
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  Speaker 1: which is a different set of concerns.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But like, yeah, I came from Dallas. In fact, now
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  Speaker 1: that I think about it, let me look up what
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  Speaker 1: kind of haircut this boy got.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Keelan?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he from Dallas. Anything is on the board.
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  Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, well.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's all right. He's straight. He ain't got a shag.
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  Speaker 2: I bet he's had one before, though. I just kind
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  Speaker 2: of assumed that he would have the low-cut fade or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Kids just don't have that, man. They don't have the
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  Speaker 2: Martin Luther King.
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  Speaker 1: No, and I'm trying to figure out, man, how they
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  Speaker 1: got all this time for all this braiding. Did you
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  Speaker 1: have a braids run?
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  Speaker 2: Of course not. No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, of course not. Why you say that? I
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  Speaker 1: had one.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know. I just, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you did, that's fine, but you said that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie. I caught a whiff of anti-blackness.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't have a face that looks like I
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  Speaker 2: can have. I don't think I have a look that
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  Speaker 2: would support a braids look, man.
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  Speaker 1: Brother, to be fair, when it was running, that didn't
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  Speaker 1: stop me or nobody else, right? I didn't know. I
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  Speaker 1: asked if you would give it a try, but I
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  Speaker 1: forgot some of us went to private school. Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Okay. I mean, is Park Atlanta a public school?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I will take my student body and put it
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  Speaker 1: next to the straight Jesuit.
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  Speaker 2: High school student body.
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  Speaker 1: You get to, yeah, okay. Anyway. Anyway. And I forgot
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  Speaker 1: what I was saying.
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  Speaker 2: You were talking about he from Dallas. He probably had
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  Speaker 2: a shag before.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he probably had a shag. He ain't got no
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  Speaker 1: shag no more. But anyway, I think this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a game because Georgia's been blowing everybody's doors
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  Speaker 1: off this year.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we don't know any– that's the thing. We don't–
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  Speaker 2: we know a little bit of something about Alabama because
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  Speaker 2: they've actually played two tough games on the road, even
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  Speaker 2: though they're not teams that you typically think of as good.
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  Speaker 2: Like that Kentucky game, that was sort of a– they
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  Speaker 2: could have gotten jumped into SEC play. Kentucky was hyped
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  Speaker 2: for that game, and they struggled early. and they came
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  Speaker 2: through it and pulled away. The same deal with Mississippi State.
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  Speaker 2: Mississippi State was undefeated. They've got a quarterback who... I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't take Keelan Russell over Kamario Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: Put a pin in that. We're going to get back there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's a dog. And they went in there,
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  Speaker 2: handled that, a situation where they said it probably was
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  Speaker 2: about as big a game in Starkville as there been
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  Speaker 2: since Dak Prescott was there. So Alabama has actually had
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  Speaker 2: some moments of doubt and being whatever. Georgia, my understanding
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  Speaker 2: is that Georgia is one of three teams that has
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  Speaker 2: not trailed for a second this year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think they've.
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  Speaker 1: Won all their games by something like 40, 50 points.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: What are we supposed to do? How are we actually
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: supposed to know they're good? I mean, we get a
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: sense that they're good, but how do we know that
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: they're good?
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I will just say that the argument is
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: we can't tell how good they are because they've looked
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: so good.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the thing is, they should have been
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: tested by now. But Oklahoma just couldn't, I guess.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Well, Oklahoma was down a gang of dudes for that game.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: For whatever it's worth.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, we'll get to them, too. But they were
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: down a gang of dudes for that game.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, I mean, it really fell apart
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: for them. They were driving. They were down 14 to zip.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: And then John Mateer had that weird throw. The ball
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: slipped out his hand and Chris Cole picked the ball up.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: That is the fastest linebacker I've ever seen in my life.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Chris Cole, when he returned that fumble against OU. So yeah, Georgia, man,
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: they've got the dogs. I mean, this looks like a
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: typical Georgia team. It looks like the best, one of
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: the best possible versions of the Georgia you're going to get.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: But they got to play somebody. We got to see,
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: you know, Alabama could be that.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: I tell you who I know ain't never had no braids.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: You can just say this every year. The quarterback at Georgia.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: It don't matter who it is. It don't matter what year.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: That motherfucker ain't had no braids. And not even when
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: they went to Jamaica. Like, no matter what it is,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: that boy, is it still Gunner Stockton?
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Gunner Stockton, man.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: That's the one thing about it. It ain't just enough
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: for Georgia to have one of them boys as their quarterback.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: They all got to have a Georgia quarterback name, too.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, a Georgia quarterback. I mean, Trump was excited to
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: see Gunner Stockton a little bit earlier.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Apparently Trump was excited to see the Baltimore Ravens, too.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, Hey man. Yeah. I mean, Lamar, man, whatever.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah. Um, yeah. I mean, they don't, the one
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: guy that they've had that broke, you know, that would
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: broke the mold. He had to leave after a year
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: because of racism concerns.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they had him and they had the one
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: that didn't turn out to be good. What was his name?
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Um, Oh, DeJuan Mathis.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: DeJuan Mathis. That's right. That's right. And Georgia did offer
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Juju Lewis. Now, I think Juju was committed to SC
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: when he ended up going to Colorado. But I think
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Kirby Smart's thing is that he doesn't like having to
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: recruit five-star quarterbacks. That's allegedly what the issue is because
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: somebody's going to come in, swoop you. It's a kind
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: of competitive recruiting market that he feels would be better
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: spent on the rest of the roster. And then you
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: can put in somebody like Gunnar Stockton.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: They've been recruiting the same quarterback over and over.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Jake Fromm.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: For 30-something years. With the DJ Shockley, he had to
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: sit for four years before he got his opportunity.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Quincy Carter. They had Quincy Carter there for years.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: That's right. So, yeah, he cuts into the 30. We'll
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: call it just 20.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, a third twin. But also, I mean, I'm trying
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: to think. I mean, Matt Stafford, that's a whole different thing.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, you do that, right?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you do that.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: It was an underwhelming tenure, but you do that. Oh, boy,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: they're going to get mad at me about that one again.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, they were good, but they didn't do what
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: they're doing now. Well, they had that.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Thing also where the one year that was their best year,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: they did not win. They were top five, but they
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: did not win the conference.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Was that a game that they lost to Alabama? I
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: think they lost that game.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: They lost two games. They had two embarrassing losses in 07.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Tennessee smoked them, and I forget who else it was,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: but they had these two bad losses. But they also
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: had the great win, which was the year that they
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: went and stunted off Florida in the end zone, and
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Florida never recovered.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: That was great.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: And then the next year, Florida blew their– doors off
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: and call timeouts at the end of it to twist
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the knife i love college football i.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Mean that's what i said that's just i mean that's
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: just the great part about it man i mean again
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: there's like back then people remembered that shit man they
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: they they lived or died for the chance to embarrass
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: their rival it's a little different now but still these
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: boys get caught up in it no matter what because
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: they the thing is with these rivalries the kids actually
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: know each other now back in the day when i
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: was playing football man you knew people on your side
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: of town it was like Interesting to see people on
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the other side of town. So now when they're playing
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: against each other, part of the rivalry is that you
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: might have got me at Nike camp or the USA
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: All-American game, but I'm going to get you now. So, yeah.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: All right. Now, Texas, Oklahoma is also this weekend.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: You must be feeling pretty good about your team, man.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Pretty good. How much are your boys' favorite, bro? I
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I don't root for that team anymore.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, my bad.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you keep doing this.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: You said that. You said that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how long have I been saying it, Joel? It's
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: only been six years.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: The favorites set by seven and a half points, man.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Joel's so bad at this and so desperate to try
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to get a leg up that the best he got is,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to keep saying you root for this team
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: that you said you stopped rooting for.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Obviously, it bothers you. So I'm going to keep saying
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: it until it stops.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Just because you so whack.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: No, man.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Well, you know my other reason it bothers me, and
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: it makes me think less of you as a person.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: No, what?
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: It's because you know why I stopped doing this.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: You know why I stopped doing this, and the least
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: you could do is show a little respect for that fact.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, sure. All right. I mean, you know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I'm glad. There's a lot of people that have gotten
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: mad at me about pointing this out over and over again,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and they haven't said a thing against it, so I
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: will at least give you credit for that She's like,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: you know, that was a little bit too far.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: No, you don't give me any credit for that. That's
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the point of what we're saying.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I just, you know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: just needling you a little bit, brother.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: No, and you're just not good at it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: You can't even come up with nothing good. No, you
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: sensitive after this baby face week you've had. You know
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? I wasn't trying to hurt you.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Joel, I do this to you every time you bring
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: this bullshit up. That ain't got nothing to do with
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: no baby face.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right. So your boy is a longhorn.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: But anyway, see if you agree with me on this.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I still think this is going to be a close game.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always on the board. I wouldn't guarantee it. But,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, we just watched– I say we watched Georgia
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: smoke them. Like, I don't think they're going to be
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: down all those dudes this game. Anything's on the board
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: with this game because anything's on the board with this game. However,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: there is no question which one of these teams has
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the most talent.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's not even close.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, I don't know how close
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: it is with just about anybody else.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: You know, the thing that's shocking because, I mean, OU
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: for most of the last generation has been the better program, right? Like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Texas has had some moments.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, for– Post-integration, they've been the better program.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Well, that too. That too. But all of a sudden,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: just in the last two to three years, it just
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: feels like... I mean, this is credit to Steve Sarkeesian
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: and his general manager, who is Brandon Harris, one of
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Bossier City's own.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, LSU Brandon Harris?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Yes. North Carolina Brandon Harris.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: From Bossier Parkway. He's the general manager there. And so...
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they've just been able to assemble an
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: incredible amount of talent relative to OU. And I'm just...
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: If you're an OU fan, you have to be looking
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: at that.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Like, why.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: We have the guy that used to do the senior bowl.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: You know, that was the pitch for our general manager.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: What is wrong? Why don't we have the kind of
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: talent that Texas got? Why don't we have a Hollywood Smothers?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: You know, they got Hollywood Smothers and Relique Brown. Why
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: don't we have Relique Brown?
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Well, part of why they used to be able to
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: compete on talent, and we know this, is there were
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: dudes that they would take that the other guys wouldn't
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: take for whatever happened to me. Oh, everybody. I'm going
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: to tell you the best way to put this. I
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: think the best way to put this. I say this,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: this is the case in a lot of Big 12 games,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: is that everybody at Texas got an offer from Texas.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: And not everybody at, we'll call it for this discussion,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Texas Tech. How many guys on Texas Tech's roster got
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: an offer from Texas in given years at other points?
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: How many of those guys that are on those other teams,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: if they had gotten offers from Texas, would have gone
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to Texas.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: You, you might have a handful and they might've not
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: been committable offers.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Correct. Right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: But Oklahoma, Texas is always fishing from a different pool.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Now when he gets like to the super top, especially
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: in the Northern part of the state, Oh, you had
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: a chance.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: But like, oh, you couldn't recruit in Houston. It's eight
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: hours away by car. It's just not, you know, there
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: would be guys every now and then. I don't want
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to quit. You have your Quentin Griffins. Right, right. So
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: it's some of them. But it's always easier recruiting at
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Texas than it was at Oklahoma. And what you would
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: hope for in the new world order. Now that Oklahoma
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: can pay people out in the open, you know, that
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: it's just like, okay, my money versus your money, but
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: your money not messing with that Texas money. Did you
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: see when the Tyson chicken dude at Arkansas, you see
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: that quote from him?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I did see that quote from him, yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: So Tyson chicken that you see in your stores, that's
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the money, a lot of the money behind Arkansas football.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: And he was at the touchdown club in Little Rock
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and they asked him about doing for Arkansas what Cody
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Campbell has done for Texas Tech. And his response was,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: He got oil. I got chickens. It's not the same.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: We're not talking about the same kind of money. OU
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: is now, to me, like Arkansas. Like, boy, I sure
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: wish we could go back to the Big 12 for
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the good old days. Oh, yeah.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is, they had to go to
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the SEC because they could not afford to be left behind.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: They would not be able to keep getting players. It
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: had gotten so hard for both of them to get players.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Right. And so the thing is now it's just, I mean,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley got out ahead of this and it's understandable.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: OU for the most part is never going to, in
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the Big 12, they were all pretty much talented, more
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: talented than everybody else with the exception of Texas in
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: any given year. Now in the SEC, are they even...
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Do you even think they're a top half program in
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: terms of like overall raw talent in terms when you
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: add transfer? You know, you got Georgia, Texas, LSU.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: You talking about just like all things created equal?
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Bama.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: So this is what I would say. Top half is, well,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: top half is, to not be top half would be
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: number nine. And I don't think I can go that
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: far down.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Where Oklahoma would get their comparative advantage over Texas was
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the ability to truly recruit nationwide, especially going into California,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and they would go get a lot of dudes out
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: of Atlanta. And Florida.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: They got a little Florida guys, too.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they would do some of that. But that's where
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: they would have their chance, where Texas wasn't doing any
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: of that. Well, now Texas is doing that, right? Now
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Texas is going to get those guys. I still feel
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: like relative to a lot of the SEC, because Georgia
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: does a lot of California work now, Oklahoma still should
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: be able to go to some of those places that
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: they had been able to go to, especially when you
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: still have a downish USC, a down UCLA. It's still
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: possible with them. Now, what's going to be interesting is
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: they had the best athletic director in the country for decades,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and they don't have that anymore. They have a middle-of-the-road coach,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a very good defensive coordinator that they hired in large
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: part because they didn't expect to be looking for a coach,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and so they got a Stoops guy, basically.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: To kind of, you know, to kind of keep the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: party going. But that's a place historically where the right
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: coach has been able to make it happen and they
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: don't have the right coach, I don't think.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, and the thing is, we're saying the right
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: coach hasn't been able to make it happen. They were
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs last year.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: They were. And that's where it gets to be fun
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: with you. They are like a lesser version of Nebraska
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: where they're going to have to recalibrate what success is.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Wow, a lesser.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I mean lesser in the sense that they're not going
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to fall like Nebraska has fallen.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Thank you for allowing me to clarify that before my
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: mama ran up on me. Imagine explaining to a young
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: person now, Nebraska... You know what that'd be like? That'd
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: be like telling people, you don't know this boy, but Cleveland, boy,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the factory. Detroit, boy, we was making them.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Cars, boy. You could live a good life in Detroit.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? A good job and a
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: home and a pension.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Brothers had money.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: They're coming back with Cadillacs and furs and the whole nine.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Nebraska ain't got that no more.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about this later. I'm sorry, too.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: But Nebraska and Colorado, a couple of those states, you
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: got to go over two states to get to them,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: to get to players. And, I mean, money should level
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: that out a little bit, but it does matter your
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: proximity to athletes still.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Far is still far. Home is still home. It still
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: matters on levels. It is easier to recruit out of
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: state than it's ever been. Far is still far. Home
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: is still home. But there was a part of that
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Texas-Oklahoma game that I want to ask you about, and
• 27:00
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• 27:02
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• 27:03
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  Speaker 2: Let's throw it out there. That's all right. You don't
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  Speaker 2: Ah, shit, man. I think he might have to.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been interesting because by the end of last year,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the people that I trust that watched the film were
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: saying he was starting to look like the dude that
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: people thought that he could be. I haven't heard anybody
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: say that this year. and he is not what people
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: would expect from him. They have to remember his daddy
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: was the wide receiver. He is a great athlete that
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: does not currently appear to be so great of a quarterback.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure why Archie was so certain that
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Sark was the guy to do this, but they did.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Now we look up, where does he rank in the SEC?
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I say fourth at best.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: So that means you have Keelan or Kamario.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Kamario Taylor, Keelan Russell. And Trinidad Chambliss.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, of course. Yeah, Trinidad, who is number one. I mean,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: if you needed to win a game today, right? Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's definitely not better than those three.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody would take him over those guys.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: No.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: No. This wasn't supposed to be that. Like, I think
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: he's better than Sam Levitt.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's good.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Ryan's over here looking like a pez dispenser. He nodding
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: so hard about that.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: We've seen the Sam Leavitt thing now. We kind of
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: got a sense of what it's going to look like.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: It's an experience.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, all right, cool. Would you take him
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: over Lenore Sellers? Or do you think of Lenore Sellers
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: as totally damaged goods now?
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: That's where it gets interesting because I don't know what
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: to make of that. You know what I mean? Like,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I was not as high on him when everybody was high.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: But I put it like this. I think Arches demonstrated
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: a higher floor. That said, they're about to run. They're
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: probably going to run Beamer out of there. It was
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: all good. It was really all good just a little
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: while ago.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, man, South Carolina ain't asking for much, but
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: you can't be bad.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: No, but I mean, the response to that is, why
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: should they be good? That's a terrible job, man.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: It's just interesting because I'm sure you've been to Columbia.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I've never been to Clemson, and people keep telling me
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: that Clemson is, like, beautiful, that it's actually a really
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: nice college town. Columbia, bruh. That's a tough— The thing— they' ve
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: got the fan support, man. That's—Williams-Brice State, that thing goes hard.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: They show up when they're bad.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: But Columbia, dog.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Here's the problem with a school like South Carolina. I'm
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: curious what you think about this.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: So, like, what's good enough? I don't have an answer
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: for what's good enough at South Carolina. Like, Spurrier had
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that run where they managed to have, what, Stephon Gilmore,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney, Marcus Lattimore come out of the state at
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: the same time, and they were able to keep them all. Right.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: And they put up results better than they ever have
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: all time at that school. That's never going to happen again.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: They're never going to have a run of, like, three
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: straight double-digit win seasons, I think it was. Oh, no.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: They could. I mean, the thing is, you can envision
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: a scenario in which, you know, one year, every four
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: or five, they win 10 to 11 games.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, I can't see that at all.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? You don't think they could do that?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: What if Lenore Sellers lived up to, what if Lenore
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Sellers and Dylan Stewart, all these guys lived up to
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: their potential? You know what?
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I guess the trick bag on that is because schedules
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: are so variant now. Yeah. Yeah, it's possible. I guess
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: when you put it in those terms.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: A & M just lost one game last year in
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the regular season.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but paying the piper for that now, aren't they?
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: It changed. They switched up on it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Paying the piper now. But a place like South Carolina,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: if you win eight games, say you win eight games
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: every year for ten years, you're not going to get
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: ten years, even though eight games every year is be
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: pretty good for South Carolina. Or like, how about maybe
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: this is the better metric. How many SEC games do
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you have to win? Call it a five-year period. Do
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you have to win? Is 15 SEC wins three-year, four-year?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Is that enough? They play nine games now. Five or four.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Can you keep it's five or four?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think five and four every year is
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it's a lot to ask of South Carolina, while also
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: probably being what South Carolina could ask for. Like being
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: as good as the average one could make the fair
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: point is not enough to keep your job. They want
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: somebody exceptional. Now, of course, the problem is if I
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: am exceptionally doing this job at South Carolina, guess what
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Probably going to have to.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Why would I keep doing this?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Catch that good job. I mean, the thing that really
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: messes up South Carolina, particularly now, or schools in that
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: half of it, is that every now and again, Vandy
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: gets serious at football.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Kentucky appears to be serious at football right now.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: And so South Carolina's fans can see, man, In one year,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Kentucky has already got us. So he can't stay under
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: those circumstances.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Well, don't forget the one that looms over everybody, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about this when we were talking about Oklahoma.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I was around the ACC that year that Wake Forest
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: won the ACC.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And that led to wholesale changes all around the conference
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: because if Wake Forest could win, and Wake Forest had
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: something like 3,500 students at the time. If Wake Forest
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: can win, nobody has any excuse. It really is what
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: made Duke football become something different because every story that
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: you had, none of them hold anymore if Wake Forest
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: could win the ACC. Indiana won a national championship. That's
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: on everybody now.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I saw somebody say this. I don't know if it
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: was Stephen Godfrey or somebody else. They were talking about
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Cignetti derangement syndrome because now everybody– It is sort of,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: it's true in a long shot sense that if Indiana
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: can do it, anybody can do it, right? but it's
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: kind of like i don't know man chris signetti might
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: be the best coach ever right you know right he
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: he got to bring his whole team over that was
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: really good but they.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Was from james they were still the james madison team.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing man yeah and it's not
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: like they had like four four uh first rounders or
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: anything like that was ohio state and they beat ohio state.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Yo there's an argument by the way the more that
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: passes and the more that happens And despite all the wins,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the people who come from the outside and look at
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the way people talk about Ryan Day and they're like,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: how much more do you want? And the answer is
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: a little more.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little more.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: He is not making us believe at all.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I could totally understand being like, so I think when
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: they had like five or five of the first 10
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: or 11 picks or something like that last year and
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: being and not. Not even getting to the semifinal. Hold on,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: hold on.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: And them boys are beasts. Arvell Reese is in the NFL.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's cold.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Sonny Styles is a beast.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: He's cold.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: And by the way, there's a guy on this team
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: that's better than all of those guys.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Nuts.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: And he's still there. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: You got to have him.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith is in the two-man class for me in
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: my recollection. I call it a three-man class of Peter Wark,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Randy Moss, and Larry Fitzgerald. in terms of just outright
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: indisputable college football receiver greatness. Like Calvin Johnson is maybe
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: in that room. That's how good these guys are that
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: we're talking about here. Jeremiah Smith is there.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've already said that I think Jeremiah Smith is
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the best receiver in college football history.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I know one of those years was in Division I AA,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: but the Randy Moss show. is still.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: So the only thing that made... I heard Danny Connell
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: say this on the Cover 3 podcast, because they asked him.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Because he... Randy... He got to throw to Randy when
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Randy was at Florida State before he flunked a drug
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: test and had to go to Marshall. But they asked him.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: They were like, what do you think? And he was like,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know. And to me, the idea that he
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: was open to it, open to the question... I mean,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: that kind of says it all about how good he is, man.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: For people that don't remember Randy Moss, because Randy Moss
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: was crazy in college.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I would just make this point. In that year that
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: he talks about, so for those who don't know how
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: this went, Moss got arrested in high school for a fight.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And the condition, he was supposed to go to Notre Dame.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: They found a way to get out of letting him in.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Lou Holtz called Bobby Bowden and was like, hey, I
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: got somebody for you. A phone call that I never
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: would have made. I'd have called, what's his name, Billy Joe.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I'd have called.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I'd have called Kim Hilton.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I'd have called the HBCUs.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I'd have called all kinds of people. I'd have called Marshall.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: There's no way in the world I would have called
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Florida State. But anyway, he called Florida. Good on you,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Lou Holtz, right? He called Florida. It also tells you
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: that it was not Lou Holtz's idea to not let
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that boy in. Yeah, right. I don't know what Randy
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Moss would have had to do. Randy Moss would have
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: had to set that white boy on fire for Lou
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Holtz to be like, he can't come here.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, given what Lou Holtz has set behind, bro,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: he know he wanted him so bad.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: He wanted him so bad. He wanted him so bad.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: But anyway, he goes to Florida State. The condition was
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: that he had to redshirt. Which, interesting, because they don't
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: redshirt guys like that anymore. But he said the condition
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: was he had to redshirt. And in the research I've
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: done on this, which is extensive, just for those of
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: you who don't know me.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: He got a touchdown in every practice or scrimmage that
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: they had. For the 1995 Florida State Seminoles.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Right. I mean, the thing is, man, it's just crazy
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: when you say 1995 because when we were kids, that
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: would have been somebody saying the 1965. It would have.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: So they don't understand, but kids, I promise you, Florida
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: State was that school, bro. I mean, the talent at
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Florida State in the early to mid-' 90s I mean, who compares?
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Late 80s Miami?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Late 80s Miami, 70s USC, which I contend is kind
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: of the original Miami.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Because all these great migration boys, and they're far away
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: from everywhere. We're just going to keep them here.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Lock up here. That's right.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Think about this for 95 Florida State. The greatest pair
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: of wide receivers ever might have been the 1995 practice
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: squad at Florida State.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, man. Because Peter Warrick.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Was redshirting the same year. How cold was your team
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: that you could redshirt Peter Warrick?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's crazy, dog. I mean, it really is. Well, actually, no, no, no.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, he was. Yeah, he was redshirting that year.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: They had all these people on that team, and you
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: know who else they had on that team that year?
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Warwick Dunn.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Warwick Dunn. A junior Warwick Dunn.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just like, that's not... That is an absurd
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: amount of time.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: They were so loaded. They were so loaded.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: It was so loaded. And Randy Moss walked in, and
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: you said it. People were like, oh, he turned heads
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: at Florida State.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: He's so good that, for my money, the best college
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: football team I've ever seen is 1995 Nebraska. It becomes
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: difficult to compare to them because they were running– You
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: could still get away but run an I-formation option as
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: your scheme at the time. So how do you compare
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: that after you've seen 2019 LSU and what they could do?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I know why it can be tough for somebody to
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: go back and look at 95 Nebraska and get what
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the big deal was. But Randy Moss was so good.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: So people understand, that is close to a consensus opinion
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: up until we got to these modern times about 95 Nebraska.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: And I think most of us believe that if Florida
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: stayed here, Randy Moss– that they would have won that
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: national championship.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: You think so? Wait, you think it's consensus that 95
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Nebraska is better than 2001 Miami too?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I think they're close. Here's what I would say about that.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: You could argue about the talent of 2001 Miami.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: But in terms of how good the actual team was
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: that went on the field.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Go ask Spencer about what they did to Florida.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, man. That's a championship game. That game was, I mean, look,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I just have to admit it. That was about a
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: laugher on the scale of TCU Georgia.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Except it was Florida.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Except it was Florida. That did not happen to Florida
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: then either. No. So, man, was that 95? I'm trying
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: to remember if this is the team with not just
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Lawrence Phillips, but Armand Green?
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: It was the year that Lawrence Phillips beat his girlfriend up,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: and they put him off the team. And then Amon
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Green was a true freshman and became the starter. And
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: then Tom Osborne, as someone once referred to Mark Jackson,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Tom Osborne, fake-ass man of God, then brought Lawrence Phillips
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: back for this game where they clearly did not need him.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: They didn't need him. But he was still– I mean,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: he was cold in that game, Doug. I mean, I
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: think Lawrence– I think he had over 100. So we
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: had also, of course, Tommy Frazier, who we haven't mentioned.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Argument for greatest college quarterback of all time.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And people, you had to be there, kids.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: The Mike Minter, the Peter brothers.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Joel Makovica.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Jared Tomich. Yes.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I think Michael Booker was playing corner on that squad.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Aaron Graham. Mm-hmm.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: They had dudes, man. They had dudes. And they had
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: a weightlifting situation that was... It was ahead of its time.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: And it was ahead of its time.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: It was. It really was. I mean, the thing is,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: eventually people got hip to it. And that kind of
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: narrowed the margins. And then it was like.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: They went from Big 8 admission standards to Big 12
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: admission standards.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: One of the.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Big things when Texas... made the big 12 thing happen
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: was they wanted to up the admission standards because it's
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: a lot easier to win with higher admission standards when
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: you're recruiting texas right then it is when you're trying
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to convince people to go to nebraska.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Right right i mean nebraska was kind of like like
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: if west virginia could have gotten the talent in nebraska
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that's kind of what nebraska was yeah you know.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Like i'll never forget this you remember when bob stoops
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: came close to taking that notre dame job that time
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: And his big holdup was he went in there like,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: so here's what I'm going to need. I'm going to
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: need some JUCOs. And they were like, you're going to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: need some what? He's like, some JUCOs. I thought y'all
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: was trying to win because you could get JUCOs at OU. Like,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. Texas wasn't taking JUCOs. OU was like,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: we don't turn good players down.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was always what gave them the advantage.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Good players, I mean, when that meant something different in
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: the 1970s.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: An institutional commitment to winning.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: The best way to like not everybody. Texas has never
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: really had a super duper institutional commitment to winning. There's
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: quite an institutional commitment to racism, but a true institutional
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: commitment to winning. Not nearly as much.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. No, I mean, they I mean, they're like
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: it's I mean, again, people don't get mad at me
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: for saying this. It is a legendarily racist school. And
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: not just because of, you know, because every flagship.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: School is because of their role.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: In perpetuating racism.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: They were at the vanguard. They were at the cutting
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: edge of racism. The first school to do standardized testing
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: because it would keep the blacks out.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, bro, Van didn't believe this, I think, when
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I told him this. I was like, The reason TSU
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: has a law school is because they did not want
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: to admit one black man into.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Their law school. It was separate but equal. And so
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: they were like, okay, well, let's open another one. How
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: about that'll solve the thing.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: So the thing is, Joel's anti-Texas thing is understandable because
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: this is– people don't understand this is a different era when–
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: black people did not root for the local teams. Like
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: in many cases, right? Because these are actually the people
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that are spitting on you, right? The ones that are
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: closer to you. So you go pick races from other
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: states to decide that you would root for. I got
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: to root for Texas in part because the dude I
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: went to high school with wound up playing for them.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: So then it carries over into that, right? But no,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: historically speaking, The difference between Oklahoma and Texas the last 50,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: 60 years is Oklahoma decided to do its racism different.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Right. They weren't going to get in the way of
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: some football. No.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Under no circumstance whatsoever.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: The only thing that really stopped them was when their
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: backup quarterback got busted in a federal drug case.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Well, he wasn't a backup.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the backup, and he was on the cover.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, he was the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: starter by then.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Charles Thompson. Yeah, because Holloway.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Holloway's 85 through 88. And this was January 89. In fact,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I think Thompson had gotten the job. But either way,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: their quarterback was on the cover of Sports Illustrated in
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: an orange jumpsuit.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Orange jumpsuit. And that's when they was like, all right,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: we have to do something about it. And then they
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: get Gary Gibbs and whatever else.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: But you know what, though? It ain't even Gibbs' fault.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: What happened was they got a TV ban. And they
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: suffered a serious probation at the time that Colorado was rising.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Cause they used to be Oklahoma and the seven dwarves
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: is what they used to call the big eight. And
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: then Nebraska like got up to the level and then
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Nebraska developed a different institutional commitment to winning than it
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: had previously. You ever heard the all time Bobby Bowden
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: quote where they went up there and they beat Michigan
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and asked them what the difference was. And I have
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: to find it, but I've been told this. I hope
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not totally wrong. But he said, well, our team
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: has guys named Johnson and Williams. Their team has guys
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: named Nowinski. Just flat out said it. But you could
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: look through the 80s, and the 80s is Nebraska playing
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Florida schools in bowl games and just getting outrun. And
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: they were like, no, we're not.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Not anymore.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Not anymore. We have figured out what the problem is.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: We're going to we're going to we we got it.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: It was very Sam Bam Cunningham ish.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Yes. What the issue is that after a while, all
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: the other SEC schools woke up to it, too, though,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: because it's like like Florida. Not everybody in SEC had
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: the same commitment to winning. that alabama and florida did
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: for a time they were ahead of their game and
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: then you know i mean i always think one of
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: the landmark recruits that changed it across the south was
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: uh kevin fault going to lsu that's the beginning yeah
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: where it's just like lsu is getting the people they
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: supposed to because they're before war done it's from baton
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: rouge yes you know i'm saying that's just like today
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: he would be that's lsu almost.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: There's no chance that he goes anywhere else Yeah, yeah.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Is Ed Reed from the Baton Rouge area too?
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Ed Reed's from New Orleans. I think he's from La Paz.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: La Paz, okay.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I think is more New Orleans than Baton Rouge.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but, I mean, those are guys that should have
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: been going there. And then eventually, when Kevin Falk went,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: and I think Marcus Spears was part of that class,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: and he's talking about it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, Marcus Spears is in the 01 class.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Is he in the 01 class?
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he talks about it. He's a Saban guy. Like,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Saban is to LSU as Mack Brown is to Texas
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: as being the first coach to be like, hey, man,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: we ain't even going to be talking about this. We
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: going to go get dudes because DiNardo was the first one.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: DiNardo is the one that's getting like Booger McFarlane and
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Kevin Falk. And for those, I always forget how to
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: say it. Ed Reed is not from Laplace. He's from,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: it starts with a D. Destran.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: There we go.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Ryan. Ryan had to pop up on that one.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: But Kevin Falk, for those who don't know the magnitude
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: of Kevin Falk as a recruit, Kevin Falk was one
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: of the top two recruits in the year 1995-1995. along
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: with Randy Moss. All the articles about Randy Moss as
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: being the top recruit all have Kevin Falk, who is
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: from Slidell, I believe, all being referred to. In fact,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: that's the Slidell, the home of Jimmy Swagger, which reminds me,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: rest in peace, Jim Baker.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Jim Baker, that's right.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: There we go. Wow, we just took a rollercoaster ride
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: through college football history. We took people a lot of places.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: We did, man. I mean, you know, the thing is
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: about us is that, you know, I mean, I enjoy
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: college football. a lot right now. Like, I mean, I
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: enjoy Cosplay Balls about as much as I ever did.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: But there is something just a little beautiful about when
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: everybody could start to play against each other. And, you know,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: it just expanded the universe of teams that we were
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: interested in, for one. And, you know, it was just,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: you know, man, I don't know. Like, it was tied
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: so much more to the history of the region and
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: the state. And now these are like just, you know,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: football teams, they're still regional. The state folks still root
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: for Florida. They root for LSU. But it's just different. Like,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: guys are coming from different places. There's not, you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: the same sort of local attachment that there used to be.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I will say I feel like the one thing that
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: we're losing that I really don't like is the thought
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: of us losing it is because of the money. and
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I'm obviously not blaming anybody who would do this, but
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: me and Dominique were talking about this. Do you remember
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: when Ohio State played against Buffalo in their first game
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: one year?
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: In 2013.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: When they had to find out who to find.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: And we were like, who is this guy? And it
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: was Khalil Mack, and he was just wrecking shop.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine? They just never expected that game to
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: be that kind of hard.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: But you know what, though? I guarantee that there was
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: somebody at Ohio State's coaching staff that was watching the
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: film like, hey. But he couldn't explain it to them.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: He ain't going to do that to me. And then
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: he came out there and he was destroying. That's over now.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Because that guy is transferring. When I did the Chambliss piece,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I talked to his coach, Tony Anise at Ferris State.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: And he's like, man, I lost seven, eight, nine dudes
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: off my team last year. Like they're just feeder systems.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: So there's something to be said about when you have
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: a team and maybe it's an eight win team. But man,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: they got that guy. Yeah. Ain't a lot of teams.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: That's not going to happen so much anymore.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the Noah Fafita thing. Like, he's been playing
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: in Arizona for, you know, it seems like, you know,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Trunk Candidate was his running back. But he's been there
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: for a while. But, yeah, that's just not going to
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: be a thing because you're going to always have to
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: fend off. Like JKS, we're going to see it at
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Cal this year. Now, he's going to have to leave
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Cal for a bunch of reasons. But even if everything
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: had mostly gone right up there with the new head coach.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: And it is not. I mean, bro, I mean, they've
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: already changed play callers, man. We just out of the
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: first month of the season. Okay. They've already changed play callers.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: They were going to have to fight to keep that boy.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Like no matter what, even if he had had a
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: great year, Cal was going to struggle to keep that kid.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: And I mean, it's even kind of funny because Mississippi
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: state is in the sec, but you heard what Nick
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Saban said about Camario Taylor. He's a right now. I'm
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: in Alabama. I'll be trying to get him to go
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: into portal right now. And maybe Camario is committed to
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Mississippi State as he says he is. But he's going
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: to have to turn about, what, $ 10, $ 11 million? Where
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: are they.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Going to get the money from? The Mississippi State question is,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: where are we going to get the money from?
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. Right?
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Speaking of similar things, how many more years do you
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: think your boy got at Colorado?
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, you know what?
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Um.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, before you get started, you tell me
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: if I don't want to, I don't want to lead
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: you all the way down the road, but I think
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: we're just counting down the days. I mean, if the
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: day may be this year, I don't know, but I mean,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: this isn't going to work. That's, that's how I feel
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: is that this is, this is not going to work.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: I definitely think it's not going to work. I think
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: it's not going to work for a couple reasons. He
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: hasn't covered himself in glory. He doesn't have a special
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: teams coordinator. How?
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: How?
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: They got the money. Why not?
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I've never heard of a team in modern times not
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: having a special teams coordinator.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Why would you not do that?
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: That's a job we have to fill.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, seriously.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Who's doing that? And that's why they was out there
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: with eight dudes.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Eight people last week, man.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: And then what happened after they called timeout because they
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: had eight?
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Tell them what happened after they called timeout. You saw
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: what happened after they called a timeout. They had eight
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: people on the field for a field goal block, so
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: they had to call a timeout.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: And then they went out on the field again with
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: the wrong number of people, right? Nine, yeah, right.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Who were these other two people? Is it the dudes
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: that he kicked off the team for laughing?
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, he fouled out. He was like, oh, shit,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: that guy ain't here no more. Oh, my bad. I mean,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: it's just so sloppy. And there's nothing identifiable about any
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Deion team. Like, Travis Hunter and Shadur covered up a
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: lot of flaws within that program, right? That's how good
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: the players they are. I know people can shit on
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Shadur now, but he was a very good college quarterback.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: But.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: They didn't really figure out a system. He didn't figure
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: out a counterpunch after everybody else realized, oh, you can
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: take 80 or 90 recruits and nobody going to say
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: nothing anymore. Like, that's just how we do business now.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: When Deion did it, it was novel, and he took
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: on some criticism for it. But then everybody was like, oh, yeah,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: we can just turn over our roster in one year.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: So he didn't have a counterpunch after anybody figured that out.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: But my other thing is that, man, everybody fails at
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Colorado now. That's not a good job anymore.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: No, it was.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: He was in a position when they were in the
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Big 12 and before the money really got rolling that
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the presence of Deion Sanders gave them a comparative advantage. Yes.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: And that comparative advantage is gone. I want to be
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: clear about this part. This is not just about him.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: These dudes are going to have to start coaching. Like,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the I magically get players guy?
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: That ain't it no more, man. You're going to have
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: to get out of here and coach.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, yeah, so they've pretty much made
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: the recruiter obsolete. Yeah. Like, the Cal thing, which is interesting,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Tosh Lapoi, he was known as a recruiter. And so
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: it's like, we got a GM for that. Like, we
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: spend money. Like, you don't have to do that anymore.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, so, like, if you get talent... you're
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: going to have to be able to do something with it.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: And I just don't, I mean, Dion, man, they've just, again,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: no consistency on offense. They've never really had a good defense, bro.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: This is the thing. And I know this is your dog,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: but I got it. He had one sap around children, bro.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, whenever you start there, you probably either
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: didn't need to say that or said, well, what's coming next?
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: You can pick the other one. But that being said,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I was very surprised that Warren got that job. On
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: one hand, I wasn't surprised because I think at actually coaching,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Warren would be excellent.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: But I would not have expected that he could get
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: him passed. I mean, for what it's worth, they got
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Marshall Falk passed, those people too, who left that NFL
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: network job under not great circumstances. And now he's failing
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: miserably at Southern, and he's got one of the same
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: problems Deion got. Can't take nobody questioning him.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. I mean, it's just, they didn't, I think
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: they skipped the line. They didn't have to go learn
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: the hard way. Man, being an assistant and having an
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: idea for what you could do but not the idea
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: is humbling. And you learn to work with a whole
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: bunch of other people, and you also develop a lot
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: of different ways to teach, a philosophy. You come up
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: with that. Marshall Fogg didn't have no time to do that, man.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: He's learning it all. This is the first time he's
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: doing all this stuff, which is why, I mean... southern
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: is good enough i don't think they had to do
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: that um.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: And tennessee state did it with eddie george and it
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: was very successful and turned out he's and eddie george
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: is now coaching at bowling green but he did it
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: there and it worked i think for those schools where
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: the money isn't the draw as much anymore the idea
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: of he can get us some guys, or he can
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: get some people to give us some money.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: You know, like, I see why you make the call
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: to make the decision that that's what you're going to do.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know nearly as much about the talent pool
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: from which they are dealing with, you know, getting coaching,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: coaches at that level. I don't, I feel like it's
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: not too dissimilar to, like, the university president rotation above
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: black colleges, right, where you just gotta sit there, everybody
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: kinda sit around a carousel in some form or fashion,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: but For Colorado, you're right. It's not a great job.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: You and I grew up at an anomalous time in
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: the history of college football where Colorado was a power. Again,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Big A recruiting standards and California schools kind of being down.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: And what they could offer, there was the rare time
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: where one of your benefits that you could offer is being,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Nebraska did this too, we are far from you. And
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: that was a positive.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there was a different time.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: We trying to help get that boy away from bad influences.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: I gotta get out of town.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: But of course, what they wind up doing is what happens,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I've seen this talked about in New York, where like,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Somebody got to ain't a sister or whatever, and she
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: moved to Westchester or out of, you know, upstate or
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. And so you decide to send your
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: kid to go live with his auntie because you want
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: to give him a better, you know, situation, get him
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: out of trouble or whatever it is. But the problem
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: is you're not the only person that got this bright idea.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: And so what happens is all them boys get up
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: there hanging out with each other. right right they squad
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: up and that's the same thing that's how that was
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: happening with these cats they get there they're like finally
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: it's somebody speaking my language.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: There's some i mean it's crazy too that like eric
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: b enemy was like at the center you know what
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: i mean like eric b enemy man he was a
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: husband you know i don't think he was a finalist
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: yeah he was a finalist he was cold man and
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, Colorado got dudes from Houston.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: They got Davis McGee and Alfred Williams.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: And that gets in line with what we were talking
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: about with Texas. When the rate, the racism issue at
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Texas consensued well into the 1990s.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, do you know where the best player often?
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: I had forgotten this and I was reminded of it
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: when he died very recently. The the best player on
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: 1985 Yates. Do you know where he went?
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Are we not? Are you talking about Johnny Bailey?
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not talking about Johnny Bailey. I'm talking about
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Melvin Foster.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not up on him. Johnny Bailey and Santana
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Dotson were the two names that I, like, jumped out. Now,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Dotson was the young guy, but go ahead.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Melvin Foster, I think, was the best recruit in the
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: state for sure that year, and he was one of
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: the top in the country. 1985 Yates, one of the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: best high school football teams ever. in Texas football history,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: and it was the first all-black state champion, right? But
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: they produced several pros, like Bomani said, Johnny Bailey, Santana Dodson.
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  Speaker 2: But Melvin Foster was the number one ranked recruit. He
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: went to Iowa. He signed with Iowa in 1985. And
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  Speaker 2: so it's like, you skipped Texas for Iowa?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I know Johnny Bailey wasn't that big, but do
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  Speaker 1: you remember where he went?
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  Speaker 2: A & M Kingsville, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Texas A & M. Well, now it's A &
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: M Kingsville. It was A & I. Texas A & I.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Also where Daryl Green went.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. I mean, Santana Johnson went to Baylor. Michael Singletary
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: went to Baylor because he's a worthing product. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? None of your favorite guys that came
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: up out of the cities of Houston and Dallas really
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  Speaker 2: went to Texas like that until, you say, Matt Brown
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: got there.
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  Speaker 1: Now, it's not quite like Mississippi where none of the
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  Speaker 1: best players in the history of the state of Mississippi,
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  Speaker 1: even the white boys, none of them went to the
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: best quarterback ever. The best quarterback in the history of
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the state of Mississippi is Brett Favre, who did not
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: go to Ole Miss or Mississippi State. The best running
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: back in the history of the state of Mississippi is
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Walter Payton, who did not go to Ole Miss or
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Mississippi State. The best receiver, quite possibly the greatest football
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: player who ever lived, is Jerry Rice, who did not
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  Speaker 1: go to Ole Miss or Mississippi State. They were so
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  Speaker 1: dedicated to that sizzle.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, man.
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  Speaker 1: The Mississippi State people will tell you they offered Rice,
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  Speaker 1: but they was running the bones. Um, that is, that
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  Speaker 1: is what they'll tell you. I would stop running the bone.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, man, Steve McNair. I mean, they
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: would try to make him a defensive back. Yup. Like,
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  Speaker 2: why would, why, why would you do that? Did you
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: see his tape? Did you not watch his tape?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: It would be like an amazing skit to write. It's
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: like take it back to the 1960s and somebody walking
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: into Archie Madden's house and being like, well, son, you
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: ever tried to run backwards? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You got to look at that, huh?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, man, you got good feet. You know? You
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: got good feet. But the thing I would do want
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: to say about Colorado real quick is that there's only
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: been one coach– In this century, there that has not
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: gotten fired or left with a lose. Well, he did
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: leave with a losing record. Tucker. The only guy that
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: has ever gotten out of there without getting fired. Mel Tucker.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: And he left after a 5-7 season. That's how people
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: think of the Colorado job.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: 5-7 got him Michigan State.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. That's what people think of that job. And
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: so it may be true that Deion may not be
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: a good coach, but how will we know? Because nobody
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: has been able to succeed at Colorado right now.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: They never got up off the ground after that scandal, really.
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  Speaker 2: No, man. And actually, if you look at Gary Barnett's years,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: they were okay.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they still had something going. It went from McCartney
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: to Neuheisel to Barnett. Like, they kept it going for
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: multiple coaches after the fact.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. But the Barnett thing just sort of broke them. Well,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: they lost 70-3.
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  Speaker 1: In the 2005 Big 12 championship game. That's right. And
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: those 70 were scored in three quarters.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 1: They could have easily put up 100 points on them
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: in that game. Vince in Houston in the conference championship game.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, easily put up 100 isn't much, but 100
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: was on the board.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. I mean, I think Joel Klatt talks about it.
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  Speaker 2: I think he got knocked out of that game.
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  Speaker 1: He did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't bother to learn his name at the time.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I learned that retroactively. It didn't matter who was out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, clearly it did not matter. I mean,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: three points.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: That was destruction. But we got our man, Joe Oil.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Why are you pointing at me?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: I got to say one thing, because I didn't say
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: it on the tailgate, so I got to say it here.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: RIP Coach Franchione, man.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: RIP.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: He just passed on Tuesday at the age of 75.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Coach P gets most of the credit, and deservedly so,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: for making TCU basically a miracle program, saving them from
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: the hinterlands of college football, because that's where we were
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: headed when I got there. And when Coach Franchione took over,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: he saw something at TCU that nobody else could see.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: And I mean, of course, he was coming from New Mexico.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: So it ain't like he you know, that was a
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: better job. He was better job in Mexico. But he
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: saw something that people did not see. And in that
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: first year, you know, we beat USC and the Sun Bowl.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: And it really the program has never really been the
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: same since. So I know that, you know, does A &
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: M fans feel a certain way about him? Bama fans
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: feel a certain way about him. But for TCU, man, he's,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's not very many people in the history
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: of that program that are more important than him.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: And I will say this about Alabama fans and how
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: they feel. For those of you who don't know, Dennis Franchione,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: is the last man to look at Alabama and say,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: save yourself. Franchoni came in there. I think one of
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: the things with Franchoni was that they didn't tell the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: truth about what the sanctions were going to be. He
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: got in there. He gave it one year.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm blowing this pop stand.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man. Yeah.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, man. And also, I don't think he
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: was used to living in that kind of a fishbowl.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: No, no. People just don't understand. They still don't get it, Joel. DeBoer, again, DeBoer, who's,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: by the way, maybe the greatest road game coach that's
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: ever lived. My man R.J. Young did a thing on
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: his show about how playing on the road, even at Alabama,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: DeBoer has been excellent at that. You guys don't know it.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible, miserable job. And Fred Jody was like, oh, no, no, no.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: I'll go to A & M.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I'll go anywhere else. Anywhere else.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: He got out before anybody threw a brick through his window.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: There's that. There is that.
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  Speaker 1: Alabama boy, that's what they do. My man, I appreciate it. Joe,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: I say, Joe Landerson, check him out. Wrangler tailgate, press box.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I still got to read the thing that you wrote
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: about the Tupac thing because Joe got this bad habit.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Joe don't send the homies no links. I'd be like, yo,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: where's the thing? You know, you're going to do the
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: thing or whatever. Joe don't never, Joe get done with anything.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: He ain't never going to tell us. He a little
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: too modest in that regard.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you saying that. I just, yeah, I need
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: to do it. I need to share it. You're right.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: My bad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you, homie.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate you, man.
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• 1:06:40
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