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NURSING STUDENT HOLLY BOBO GOES INTO THE WOODS AND VANISHES: KILLER WALKS FREE? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young nursing student,
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Speaker 1: Holly Bobo walks into the woods and vanishes forever. At tonight,
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Speaker 1: her brutal killer to walk free. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Okay, oh my stars, you are hearing the heartbroken mother
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Speaker 1: of Holly Bobo begging, begging for law enforcement to go
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Speaker 1: immediately to her home. You hear her stating, I'm at school,
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Speaker 1: she's a school teacher. I'm trying to get to my home.
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Speaker 1: Neighbors heard her screaming, and somebody in camouflage got Holly
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Speaker 1: and that is how this case her disappearance kicked off.
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Speaker 1: Listen to more of that nine one one call off.
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Speaker 3: The pain in the mother's voice is almost unbearable.
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Speaker 1: It's excruciating to hear it. You were hearing Holly Bobo's
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Speaker 1: mother raising the alarm her daughter has been taken by
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Speaker 1: a man in camo. Joining me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we are learning. Straight out
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Speaker 1: to Shane Dieter joining us from Tennessee form our assignment
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Speaker 1: editor wat and Memphis Chane, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Just hearing Holly's mother is heartbreaking in the nine to
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Speaker 1: one one call. Her voice is sometimes a scream, and
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Speaker 1: then she's begging and she's crying, and the excruciating trip
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Speaker 1: from work trying to get home. Describe where was the
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Speaker 1: mother when she learns this is happening, Shane. She was
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Speaker 1: at work.
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Speaker 4: She is a school teacher and she was at work.
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Speaker 4: I know she was so upset that she had to
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Speaker 4: have a friend or a coworker driver home. I just
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Speaker 4: couldn't imagine, you know, getting that call and then making
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Speaker 4: that call. It was heartbreaking as you heard. I could
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Speaker 4: not imagine the scared that that mother had. That was
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Speaker 4: her baby.
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Speaker 1: That is Holly Bobo's mother. But who is Holly?
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Speaker 5: Holly Bobo a beautiful twenty year old nursing student at
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Speaker 5: the University of Tennessee Martin. She lives with her parents
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Speaker 5: and brother Clint at the family home in Darden, Tennessee.
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Speaker 5: April thirteen, Holly awakens at four thirty am to study
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Speaker 5: for an exam. Brother Clint wakes up to the sound
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Speaker 5: of the family dogs barking around seven forty five am.
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Speaker 5: Looks out to see Holly and a man dressed in
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Speaker 5: camouflage in the garage, Clint thinks Holly and her boyfriend
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Speaker 5: Drew Scott are having an argument.
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Speaker 6: As I listened a little bit closer, I could tell
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Speaker 6: that that was Holly's voice, So I knew it was Holly,
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Speaker 6: So in my mind the male's voice I knew to
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Speaker 6: be Drew.
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Speaker 1: You know who is her boyfriend? That's who of my
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Speaker 1: our friends at ABC twenty twenty again joining me at
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Speaker 1: All Star panel. You know, it's very disconcerting to doctor
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Speaker 1: angel Arnold joining us fronaw psychiatrist out of the Atlanta jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: and you can find her at ANGELA Arnold md dot com.
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Speaker 1: Because your day is going along as normal until it's not.
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Speaker 1: And you hear the mother just she can hardly talk.
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Speaker 1: She screams, then she begs and she cries, trying to
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Speaker 1: get the entire community out pronto to help find her daughter.
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Speaker 1: All she knows at this juncture is that a male
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Speaker 1: wearing camo led her daughter, took her daughter after an
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Speaker 1: argument in their car port into the woods that goes
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Speaker 1: along the Tennessee River. That's all she knows when she's
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Speaker 1: calling nine one one. There she is at work, she's
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Speaker 1: a school teacher, and she gets this call, and her
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Speaker 1: life will never be the same, Doctor Angie.
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Speaker 6: Imagine Nancy. She has literally no control over what is
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Speaker 6: happening to her daughter. All she can do is try
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Speaker 6: to get there as fast as she can and try
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Speaker 6: to get as many people there as fast as they
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Speaker 6: can get there. But she knows that she has no
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Speaker 6: control over the situation. I can't even imagine a more
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Speaker 6: horrible feeling for a mother.
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Speaker 1: Now, we just heard from our friends at ABC twenty twenty,
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Speaker 1: Clant Bobo speaking. He was stating, as I listened a
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Speaker 1: little closer, I could tell it was Holly's voice. So
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Speaker 1: I knew if it's Holly, then she must be talking
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Speaker 1: to her boyfriend Drew. Okay, how did he come to
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Speaker 1: the idea? Shane Deeter joining us from Tennessee, that Holly
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Speaker 1: was talking to the boyfriend.
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Speaker 4: Nancy The night before the brother and Drew, the boyfriend,
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Speaker 4: were talking. They were also friends, and Drew talked about
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Speaker 4: going Honey. So when Holly's brother heard die and saw
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Speaker 4: her going out towards the wood with this man in camouflage,
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Speaker 4: he thought it was her boyfriend or was a boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: This one critical mistake may have cost Holly her life
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Speaker 1: when the brother, by all accounts, well intentioned, looks out.
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Speaker 1: He sees his sister with a guy. They're talking and
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Speaker 1: he thinks it's the boyfriend. Listen.
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Speaker 7: Clint calls his mother, Karen, at work, telling his mother
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Speaker 7: it looks like Holly and Drew are having an argument
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Speaker 7: air walking towards the woods. Karen says that is not Drew.
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Speaker 7: Grab a gun and shoot whoever is with Holly. Drew
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Speaker 7: is turkey hunting on Bobo family property. Clint asks, you
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Speaker 7: want me to shoot Drew. Karen Bobo immediately calls nine
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Speaker 7: to one one around eight am.
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Speaker 1: I said, that's not Dree. You get a gun and
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Speaker 1: shoot him. And Clint said, you want me to shoot Drew?
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Speaker 1: And I think that's when I hung up and call
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Speaker 1: nine one one from our friends at ABC. So what
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Speaker 1: she didn't know, out to Dave Matt Crime Stories Investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: what he didn't know is when he's told Mom, some guy,
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Speaker 1: I guess the boyfriend is leading her down the trail
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Speaker 1: to the river into the woods. Her response is she knew.
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Speaker 1: She did not have time to explain. Dave mac She says,
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Speaker 1: get a gun and shoot him, and the brother Clint
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Speaker 1: is just groggy. What he's just waking up. He's like,
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Speaker 1: you want me to shoot Drew. But what the mother
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Speaker 1: knew and the brother didn't know was at that very moment,
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend wasn't even there. He was miles away turkey
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Speaker 1: hunting with his own father. But the brother didn't know that.
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Speaker 1: He's like, what explain it, Dave.
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Speaker 8: That's exactly what happened, Nancy. All right, Clint was just
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Speaker 8: waking up and he here's the dog's barking. You mentioned
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Speaker 8: that Parry knows that Drew is hunting because he's turkey
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Speaker 8: hunting on Bobo family property. It's actually Karen's grandmother. That's
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Speaker 8: the property they're hunting on. So he's thirty miles away,
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Speaker 8: and so she knows it's not brou It can't be Drew.
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Speaker 8: And Clint has no clue. He's just blurry eyed and
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Speaker 8: he's like, here's his sister. He hears her voice, but
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Speaker 8: he hears a tinge in her voice that he feels
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Speaker 8: like they're arguing. And I think he said he heard
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Speaker 8: the word no, but the way that he briefly saw
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Speaker 8: it just in his mind, he couldn't think who I mean,
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Speaker 8: think about it. It's early in the morning. Who else
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Speaker 8: would you be talking to. You wouldn't be talking to
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Speaker 8: somebody who didn't know out by your car, getting ready
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Speaker 8: to go to school. That's why Clint was kind of
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Speaker 8: out of it and just assumed it was Drew right then.
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Speaker 8: And Karen obviously knew it couldn't be. She knew it
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Speaker 8: could That's why she grab a gun and shoot him.
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Speaker 8: That was hervice. She could go shoot him. She knew intuitively,
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Speaker 8: a mother's intuition, knew her daughter was in trouble, and
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Speaker 8: that man meant no good.
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Speaker 1: With your mercy.
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Speaker 2: Somebody has my daughter.
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Speaker 9: Now, cars some money and pull kemel what got Holly?
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Speaker 5: Please get everybody looking me out.
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Speaker 1: They're on their way, sweetie.
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Speaker 9: I got everybody on their way right now already.
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Speaker 10: Oh my god.
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Speaker 5: Clint Bobo can see sister Holly with the man in
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Speaker 5: Camos on a trail that leads to a logging road,
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Speaker 5: and Clinton notices the man is bigger than her boyfriend, Drew.
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Speaker 5: Holly's mother, Karen, tells Clint to grab a pistol and
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Speaker 5: go outside toward the garage, calling.
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Speaker 1: Nine one one.
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Speaker 5: As he walks in the garage, Clint finds bloodstains. Police
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Speaker 5: arrive at the Bobo residence in ten.
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Speaker 1: Minutes, straight back out to Shane Deeter, former assignment editor
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Speaker 1: w at M Memphis. Shane, what is it that Clint
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Speaker 1: the brother saw? First of all, a neighbor hears screams.
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Speaker 1: A neighbor hears a woman we now know to be
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Speaker 1: Holly Bobo screaming. The neighbor calls the mom at school
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Speaker 1: where she's working. The mom tells Clint to look out,
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Speaker 1: get up, son, go look outside, and he's say, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, she's walking into the woods with a guy
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Speaker 1: and camera. But Shay, you describe for me what Clint saw.
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Speaker 1: You know, when he saw them kneeling and the car port, he.
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Speaker 4: Just thought it was his sister having an argument with
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Speaker 4: her boyfriend. So again, like we said, he saw the
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Speaker 4: guy in cameouflaws. He didn't realize that.
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Speaker 11: Drew was thirty miles away, and so he's, you know,
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Speaker 11: he did what most people would do, you know, until
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Speaker 11: his mom told him to get a gun.
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Speaker 4: Then he went out and found the blood.
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Speaker 1: So Dave Mac explained to me, when he looks out,
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Speaker 1: they're not walking yet, No, they're kneeling, kneeling, Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's describe that, that's.
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Speaker 8: What really set Clint off, Nancy, because he sees hollye
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Speaker 8: kneeling and he sees the other person also kneeling. It's
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Speaker 8: not something you see on any time a given day.
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Speaker 8: And the guy's just waking up and so he sees
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Speaker 8: what he thinks is Holly and her boyfriend. But they're kneeling.
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Speaker 8: They're not in a way that he would expect them
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Speaker 8: to be. And that's a very important point here because
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Speaker 8: he didn't take immediate corrective action because he thought that
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Speaker 8: Drew was breaking up with Holly. He sees Holly kneeling,
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Speaker 8: he hears her say no. You start putting it all together,
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Speaker 8: and you realize he didn't want to insert himself into
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Speaker 8: that situation. He didn't see it as dangerous. Somebody on
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Speaker 8: their knees. If they're both kneeling, that's not a dangerous situation, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: And that's the way he described.
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Speaker 1: Todd Shipley joining me from Reno. Former detective sergeant with
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Speaker 1: the Nevada Police Department, twenty five years in la. You know, interesting,
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Speaker 1: well back at every crime right and you can say
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Speaker 1: would have, could have, should have if they should have
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Speaker 1: known that wasn't Drew the boy friend. He could have
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Speaker 1: called nine one one, he would have done the right thing.
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Speaker 1: But the reality is he couldn't see the guy's face. Ever,
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Speaker 1: he never saw the purpse face. He saw him from behind.
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Speaker 1: He describes him as wearing camo, a baseball hat, and
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Speaker 1: that he had dark hair coming out from under his
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Speaker 1: cap that you know, kind of went under his collar
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Speaker 1: to show how long the hair was. He said he
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Speaker 1: was five ten to six feet. Hey, that could be anybody,
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Speaker 1: and that he weighed one hundred and eighty to up
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Speaker 1: around two hundred pounds. But he never saw his face.
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Speaker 1: So all the speculation it's the brother Clint's fought, it's not.
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Speaker 1: Clint is not the one that kidnapped Holly Bobo. It's
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Speaker 1: not his fault. He did not see the purpse face.
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Speaker 1: And isn't it true, Shipley that in every case people say,
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Speaker 1: if only fill in the blank, if only I had
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Speaker 1: worn a state belt, if only I hadn't gone to
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Speaker 1: the liquor store, if only I hadn't gone jogging. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that could be a million scenarios. Would I could have
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Speaker 1: should have? But it doesn't fit here because he didn't
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Speaker 1: see the face. He could not have known who the
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Speaker 1: purp is.
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Speaker 9: No of course, I mean, and we all regret things
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Speaker 9: that have happened, especially in those stress situations where you know,
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Speaker 9: the person realizes later that if they had intervened, the
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Speaker 9: whole situation could have changed. And so that poor young
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Speaker 9: man is regretting, you know, so many things in his
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Speaker 9: life and has for years. But had he walked out there,
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Speaker 9: it would have been a very different situation. But we
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Speaker 9: don't know whether that person's arm, what was happening. He
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Speaker 9: could have gotten killed himself too at that point in time.
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Speaker 9: We just don't know, because it's all what is after
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Speaker 9: the fact, and that's the unfortunate thing.
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Speaker 7: Extensive searches of the area around the Bobo home are
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Speaker 7: conducted on foot and with dogs. An hour and a half,
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Speaker 7: her cell phone traveled throughout Decatur County. The phone tracks
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Speaker 7: north to a wooded area forty stops moving between eight
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Speaker 7: thirty am and nine am, and begins moving again as
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Speaker 7: it pings back south toward the Bobo residence, but not
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Speaker 7: on the same route today.
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Speaker 1: Matt Crimestory, investigative reporter. We heard earlier that when the
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Speaker 1: brother Clint goes into the garage, he sees blood stains
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Speaker 1: on the garage floor and there were at least two bloodstains,
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Speaker 1: as I recall, one about the size of a fist
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Speaker 1: and one a much smaller blood drop. Drop. That's significant
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Speaker 1: that it was a drop, not a smear, not a transfer,
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Speaker 1: but a drop. Describe the blood the brother Clint finds
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Speaker 1: in the Bobo family garage.
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Speaker 8: The blood drop is you just mentioned, Nancy. That's actually
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Speaker 8: the real big indicator that there was probably an injury
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Speaker 8: that was bleeding profusely enough that it would fall off
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Speaker 8: of her body. And by the way, the blood did
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Speaker 8: test as for Holly Bobo. Now Clint has to assume
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Speaker 8: it's his sister's blood when he sees it, which most
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Speaker 8: of us would. The bigger of the two could have
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Speaker 8: been put. It could have happened anyway. You know. You
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Speaker 8: can fall down on something, you can sit on something.
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Speaker 8: You know, we know that she was kneeling in the garage.
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Speaker 8: And it's the blood drop that actually is the biggest
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Speaker 8: part of this because it shows it's a fresh cut
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Speaker 8: that is bleeding enough that it's not just a smear.
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Speaker 8: You didn't just cut your finger and smear it on
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Speaker 8: the on the floor. It's actually dropping from your body
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Speaker 8: freely onto the floor, and it actually can indicate. They'll
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Speaker 8: look at that blood to see if it's going towards
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Speaker 8: her car or away from her car. Was she attacked
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Speaker 8: on her way to the car, was she surprised on
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Speaker 8: her You know, there's any number of ways that they'll
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Speaker 8: use that blood droplet to find out exactly how she
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Speaker 8: was attacked, when it happened, and who probably did it.
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Speaker 1: What does it mean when you take this blood spatter
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Speaker 1: conjunction with the story that Clint the brother is telling.
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Speaker 1: It's a very very disturbing story. The search is on
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Speaker 1: on foot with dogs. The phone. Her phone tracks north
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Speaker 1: to a wooded area near I forty. It stops moving.
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Speaker 1: Remember all this is happening in the early morning hour.
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Speaker 1: She gets up study at four point thirty a m.
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Speaker 1: She's heading to school, Mom's at work, Dad's at work.
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Speaker 1: The phone stops moving. By nine am, it begins moving again,
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Speaker 1: pinging back south toward the Bobo home, but on a
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Speaker 1: different route than a discovery.
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Speaker 5: Several items belonging to Holly are found scattered throughout the
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Speaker 5: area on country roads. Her lunch homework, a receipt with
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Speaker 5: her name on it, a card from school, her cell phone,
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Speaker 5: and a SIM card which have been removed from the
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Speaker 5: phone Meany.
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Speaker 1: Would argue that the discovery of her belonging, school papers, homework,
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Speaker 1: her lunch is random. No joining me is a veteran
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer criminal defense attorney Ben Powers, and you can
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Speaker 1: find him at legalpowers dot com. Ben, Please, if possible,
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Speaker 1: take off your defense hat just one moment. The fact
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Speaker 1: that her items were scattered along various country roads is significant.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like they were thrown out a window of
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Speaker 1: a vehicle. So now we have to figure out she
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Speaker 1: was walking, being forced to walk by a guy and
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Speaker 1: camo of atrail that leads down to the Tennessee River.
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Speaker 1: But yet her items she would have had, like in
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Speaker 1: a backpack or in her arm, are scattered along various
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Speaker 1: country roads. What if anything can I deduce from that,
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Speaker 1: Ben Powers?
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Speaker 10: So the first inference that I have is something's already
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Speaker 10: happened to Hally by that point, something very serious has
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Speaker 10: probably already happened to or something grave has already happened
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Speaker 10: to her, Because now they're trying to distance themselves from
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Speaker 10: her and her belongings, and they're just throwing them out
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Speaker 10: the window as they draw because they think that's the
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Speaker 10: best way to get rid of this backpack of contents
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Speaker 10: that they now have that they're trying to get themselves
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Speaker 10: away from, and in turn, what they've done is basically
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Speaker 10: create a trail of breadcrumbs in the direction that they
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Speaker 10: went to help Pon in the investigation in that direction.
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Speaker 10: But my first impression is that it's a sign that
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Speaker 10: something bad had happened prior to that moment, and now
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Speaker 10: they're trying to distance themselves from that by getting rid
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Speaker 10: of any evidence that can tie them to Holly Bobo.
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Speaker 5: Investigators put together a timeline of what happened to Holly Bobo.
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Speaker 5: Waking up early to study for her test. Holly gets
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Speaker 5: a call boyfriend Drew at seven thirty Drew his turkey
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Speaker 5: hunting on Bobo family property with his dad about thirty
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Speaker 5: minutes away. Holly sends a text at seven forty two am.
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Speaker 5: Holly did not send or answer another text or call
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Speaker 5: after seven forty two am. At seven forty three am,
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Speaker 5: Holly walks to the carport to get in her car
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Speaker 5: and go to school.
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Speaker 1: The so called A train word gets around that the
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Speaker 1: A train may have had something to do with Holly
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Speaker 1: Bobo's disappearance. What is the A train? I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: it's Zach Adams, Shane Austin, Jason Autrey, and Zach Adams's brother,
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Speaker 1: John Dillon Adams, Adams Adams, Austin Autrey. Why is it
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Speaker 1: that people cannot shut their pie holes? How is it?
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Speaker 4: Here?
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Speaker 1: We go to doctor Kendall Crowns joining us. Now his
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Speaker 1: expertise is dead bodies. But how do the dead bodies
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Speaker 1: get there? And how do we solve cases? Doctor Kendall
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Speaker 1: Crowns is with us the chief medical Examiner Terran County.
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Speaker 1: That's Fort Worth, never a lack of business. He is
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Speaker 1: the star of a podcast about to hear the airwaves
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Speaker 1: Mayhem and the more. He is the esteemed lecturer at
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Speaker 1: the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Dodger Kendl Crowns.
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Speaker 1: For every dead body that is a victim of homicide
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Speaker 1: that you see on your table, I guarantee you fifty
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Speaker 1: percent of those cases are solved by loose lips that
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Speaker 1: sink ships. When you look at one of the victims
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Speaker 1: that you autopsy, that you cut apart to determine cause
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Speaker 1: of death, can you imagine that somewhere out there a
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Speaker 1: killer is bragging. Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Often when I'm doing the autopsies. I think about what
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Speaker 12: the individual who may have done this is doing right
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Speaker 12: at that present time. Often they're already in custody, but
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Speaker 12: sometimes they're not, and you kind of always have to wonder,
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Speaker 12: did you walk past them on your way into work
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Speaker 12: that day, did you run into them at the grocery store,
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Speaker 12: or something of that nature. You never know, but you
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Speaker 12: are right, Nancy. People really love to boast about the
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Speaker 12: things they do and the evil that they commit on
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Speaker 12: other individuals.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, nothing is stronger than a
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Speaker 1: mother's love. Nothing stronger on this earth than a mother's love.
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Speaker 1: It is said, much like Natalie Holloway's mother Beth confronted
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Speaker 1: Natalie's killer trying to get the truth. Of course, gor
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Speaker 1: and Van der Sloot totally blew her off such an
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Speaker 1: a whole technical legal term. Here, Holly's mother hears the rumblings,
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Speaker 1: hears their rumors that a train had something to do
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Speaker 1: with Holly's disappearance. At this time, she has no idea
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Speaker 1: where her daughter is, and she confronts.
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Speaker 5: Them Karen Tadd, Zach Adams, and Jason Audrey when they
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Speaker 5: were in grade school and knows the type of men
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Speaker 5: they are all deny any involvement.
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Speaker 1: I asked them, did they know anything about our daughter's abduction?
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Speaker 1: Of course they all denied it. That from our friends
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Speaker 1: at ABC twenty twenty. Well, to use a technical legal
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Speaker 1: term on you, doctor Angela Arnold, she's got balls the
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Speaker 1: size of coconuts.
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Speaker 6: Well, she sure does. And Nancy, you need to have
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Speaker 6: balls the size of coconuts to take care of your
22:23
Speaker 6: own children when things like this happen, because you can't
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Speaker 6: leave it in anyone else's hands. I don't blame her
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Speaker 6: in the least for going after these kids and confronting
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Speaker 6: them and asking them what they did.
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Speaker 1: Why are you calling them kids? Well, I believe on
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Speaker 1: a train I called them kids. I believe you did
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Speaker 1: when she taught them they were kids. These are grown men.
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Speaker 6: And you know what, Nancy, maybe that had something to
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Speaker 6: do with the fact that she was able to confront them.
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Speaker 6: Also because maybe she thought of them as kids because
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Speaker 6: they were kids when she.
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Speaker 1: Knew them and taught them.
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Speaker 6: I understand that they're grown men and they should all
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Speaker 6: go away for grown men consequences for what they did
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Speaker 6: to this beautiful girl.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what you said something really interesting right there. Well,
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Speaker 1: a lot really interesting. But the fact that she knew them.
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Speaker 1: She taught two of them fourth grade. And yes, the
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Speaker 1: word is they took Holly Bobo out of her own
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Speaker 1: car port on her way to nursing school, a girl
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Speaker 1: they knew. If this is true. So at that juncture,
23:29
Speaker 1: straight out to Shane Dieer, what did the A train
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Speaker 1: have to say back? I bet they got a big
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Speaker 1: laugh off Holly's mother coming to ask them where's Holly.
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Speaker 4: They claimed that they had nothing to do with it.
23:42
Speaker 4: And you know, they were out brigging about it, and
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Speaker 4: the mother was listening to these stories and you talking
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Speaker 4: about someone that's involved. It was her daughter. And then
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Speaker 4: she taught these kids. She knows them, and this is
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Speaker 4: Bobo is a mama bear. She went after them, I mean,
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Speaker 4: and that's you know, I hear a bunch of stories.
24:07
Speaker 4: Is that's how cases are solved, is a parent gets
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Speaker 4: involved in has to go after the people. And that's
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Speaker 4: so dangerous. That shows you how brave the mother is.
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Speaker 1: Shane Dieter, You are so right, Shane Deeter joining us
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Speaker 1: from this jurisdiction off Tennessee, who is on the case
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Speaker 1: of the very very beginning. So the mom goes after
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Speaker 1: them the so called A train and they laugh her off.
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Speaker 1: But the word is bubbling around this tiny, tiny town
24:42
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. The word is bubbling that the A train
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Speaker 1: is somehow responsible.
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Speaker 5: And then a break, a random arrest of Dylan Adams
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Speaker 5: on a weapons charge cracks the ice. Adams tells police
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Speaker 5: in April thirteenth, he went to Za's house to get
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Speaker 5: his truck and saw Bobo sitting in a green share
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Speaker 5: in the living room, wearing a pink T shirt, with
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Speaker 5: Jason Autry standing nearby. Adams also tells police his brother
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Speaker 5: was wearing chemouflage shorts, black cut off sleeve T shirt,
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Speaker 5: and a pair of green crocs. Adams says brothers Zach
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Speaker 5: Adams told him he raped Holly Bobo and videotaped it.
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Speaker 5: This confession led to Zach Adams, Jason Autry, and Shane Austen.
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Speaker 5: His confession led to Jason Autry agreeing to testify against
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Speaker 5: Zach Adams.
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Speaker 9: And now you're saying that Sane Austen is sitting room.
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Speaker 9: You're sitting man, Jason Alfrey sitting there, Kim Joy, is
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Speaker 9: there anybody else us?
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Speaker 1: All was Holly BOI.
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Speaker 12: Nap will.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, that's for our friends at ABC twenty twenty.
25:52
Speaker 1: Let me understand has been Powers, so nobody knows what's
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Speaker 1: happened to Holly. The mom confronts the h about their
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Speaker 1: potential involvement. Do they know where she is? She's desperate?
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Speaker 1: You know why? Because Zach Adams has been bragging. Don't
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Speaker 1: you love a bragger for a client that can't keep
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Speaker 1: his piehole shut, saying things like to his girlfriend, you
26:20
Speaker 1: gonna end up tied up in a hole just like Holly,
26:24
Speaker 1: Or I'll do the same thing to you I did
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Speaker 1: Holly bragging. The bravado he must have had saying all that,
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Speaker 1: and it gets around. You can't say things like that
26:35
Speaker 1: as a small town and nobody find out. Well, mom
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Speaker 1: found out in confronted him and don't you know, Ben Powers.
26:43
Speaker 1: The first minute they could arrest the brother, Dylan John
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Speaker 1: Dylan Adams, brother of Zack the Bragger, they started putting
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Speaker 1: the screws to him, right yeah.
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Speaker 10: I mean once they started really drilling him about the
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Speaker 10: details and getting him to admit very incriminating things like
27:02
Speaker 10: you know she's in their home, she's wearing a pink
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Speaker 10: T shirt. These are the guys that are with me.
27:07
Speaker 10: This is who did what and this is the condition
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Speaker 10: of things, and this is what happened. I mean, from
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Speaker 10: that point, it's just a matter of trying to corroborate
27:14
Speaker 10: what he's saying. If you're the state, if you're on
27:16
Speaker 10: the defense side, you're pointing out all the ways his
27:19
Speaker 10: story doesn't match the physical evidence that they've collected, and
27:22
Speaker 10: doesn't match other electronic data like self ping data and
27:26
Speaker 10: other messages that might be recovered from cell phones and
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Speaker 10: things like that. But that's where it goes next, is
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Speaker 10: you try to either build a statement or discredit the statement.
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Speaker 1: Right Todd Shipley joining US former detective Sergeant Reno Nevada
27:40
Speaker 1: author surviving a cyber attack. Hey Todd. Also the level
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Speaker 1: of detail in John Dillon's description. He gets to the
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Speaker 1: house and there he sees Holly Bobo in a pink
27:53
Speaker 1: shot a pink top sitting there. His brother is wearing
27:56
Speaker 1: camo shorts, a black cutoff T shirt and green crocs,
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Speaker 1: and the brother brags that they Holly and videoed it.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot of detail for somebody to make up.
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Speaker 9: Well, it depends on what they're trying to defend themselves with.
28:13
Speaker 9: Are they trying to put the blame on somebody else
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Speaker 9: and give very detailed information about what they supposedly did
28:20
Speaker 9: and when it could have been himself that did it.
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Speaker 9: I'm not sure that we know all those facts. And
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Speaker 9: as mentioned earlier by your guest, was the details don't
28:28
Speaker 9: match up with the evidence, and that becomes problematic and
28:31
Speaker 9: where the prosecution or the law enforcement is going to
28:34
Speaker 9: go with the evidence. Do they disprove what he said
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Speaker 9: or do they try to build their case around that statement,
28:40
Speaker 9: And that becomes a very difficult thing to live.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, what happened to Holly Bobo
28:57
Speaker 1: and will her killer now walk through? Is that possible?
29:02
Speaker 1: In what world can that happen? Because not only do
29:05
Speaker 1: we have the brother of Zachary Adams when he gets
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Speaker 1: arrested on an unrelated gun charge, spill it all about
29:13
Speaker 1: Holly being and murdered, now we have another member of
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Speaker 1: the so called a train singing like a nightingale. Listen,
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Speaker 1: I'm standing.
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Speaker 2: Over the top of them.
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Speaker 9: On my knees.
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Speaker 8: She being rocky, see foot.
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Speaker 11: Sound of distress.
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Speaker 1: Called from I told him, mysage, you're still alive. From
29:48
Speaker 1: our friends at ABC twenty twenty, that's Jason Autry describing
29:52
Speaker 1: what happened to Holly Bobo? I mean, did you hear that,
29:57
Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, He just he drives a multicolored blanket
30:02
Speaker 1: that is in the back of one of the other
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Speaker 1: perpse truck and he's looking at it, and the foot
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Speaker 1: moves and he hears an audible sigh and they realize
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Speaker 1: Holly Bobo is still alive.
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Speaker 12: Yes, that can happen occasionally in murders where the individual
30:22
Speaker 12: is found to still be alive after the initial assault
30:26
Speaker 12: that they thought they killed him with. Often we see
30:28
Speaker 12: this in strangulations. And what happens then is they will
30:32
Speaker 12: use whatever means they have available to make sure they
30:34
Speaker 12: end that person's life so that person can't wake up
30:37
Speaker 12: and testify against him at a later date. They may
30:39
Speaker 12: beat their head into with a rock. If they have
30:42
Speaker 12: knives available, they may stab them even multiple times. I've
30:46
Speaker 12: even seen them try to cut heads off, and then
30:48
Speaker 12: they'll also in this case shoot them in the head
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Speaker 12: with a gun.
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Speaker 1: And Doctor Angela Arnold, did you hear the callous nature?
30:54
Speaker 1: Did Witch re referred to Holly? He sees the foot move,
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Speaker 1: he sees her foot and if he hears her sigh,
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Speaker 1: and he says, this still alive.
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Speaker 6: Oh well, Nancy, they never, they never didn't have a
31:09
Speaker 6: callous feeling towards her. They kidnapped her, they murdered her.
31:15
Speaker 6: They never had any warm and fuzzy feelings towards her.
31:18
Speaker 6: So that just describes how all of them are. Okay, Nancy,
31:22
Speaker 6: there are a bunch of psychopaths. There are a bunch
31:25
Speaker 6: of psychopaths. They wanted to rape her. And you know, Nancy,
31:29
Speaker 6: what the sad thing is. You know when we talk
31:32
Speaker 6: about she was gay, Nancy, not just one of them,
31:37
Speaker 6: She was gay. This poor woman suffered unmercifully at the
31:43
Speaker 6: hands of these horrific psychopaths.
31:46
Speaker 1: Talk about singing like a bird. Listen, an Autrey, good.
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Speaker 2: Tim William John one up.
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Speaker 1: Shall underneath that bridge. It was just one shot, but
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Speaker 1: it echoed underneath the bridge all the way down that
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Speaker 1: damn river body.
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Speaker 11: And when that gun went, birds whatever, all up under
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Speaker 11: that breed and it was just dead silence or just
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Speaker 11: a shot.
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Speaker 1: From my friends at ABC twenty twenty, Bienpowers, criminal defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: Why isn't all your clients have guns that just go off?
32:22
Speaker 1: Nobody ever says he shot her under the bridge and
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Speaker 1: then it echoed twice. It sounded like three gunshots from
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Speaker 1: the echo under that concrete bridge, and then the birds
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Speaker 1: flew up in the air and then everything was dead, silent.
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Speaker 1: How what all your clients, the gun just goes off.
32:42
Speaker 1: Nobody pulls it to that.
32:43
Speaker 10: I have all my clients that the guns just goes off.
32:46
Speaker 10: I think the state trust to put a gun in
32:48
Speaker 10: my client's hands. Instead they used it intentionally. But that
32:51
Speaker 10: as that doesn't always match the forensic evidence that we
32:55
Speaker 10: have in the case. But that's certainly what the state
32:57
Speaker 10: likes to do. Is it's cleaner to say this person Shawn.
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Speaker 1: Intentionally those pasty guns that just go off with such
33:06
Speaker 1: incredible precision that they actually kill the victim when they
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Speaker 1: just go off, And that's what they're saying here. Autry,
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Speaker 1: he's singing, but he ain't singing on tune because he's
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Speaker 1: saying the gun went off and boom, boom boom from
33:26
Speaker 1: the three the shot and the two echoes underneath the
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Speaker 1: bridge and the birds fly off. Now we have a problem.
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Speaker 1: We've got John Dillon Adams confessing. We have Autry testifying
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Speaker 1: in the hopes that someday, somehow he'll get a plea
33:54
Speaker 1: a cheap plea, but yet it's still a no body
33:59
Speaker 1: k how hard is it to prove and nobody tastes
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Speaker 1: being powers.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think it's really hard for the state because
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Speaker 10: they're going to rely on probably not the most outstanding
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Speaker 10: witness or witnesses, and you know, they're probably not the
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Speaker 10: first choice for the state on who they put on
34:14
Speaker 10: a stand because I'm sure they have a lot of
34:16
Speaker 10: character flaws, possible drug abuse histories, things like that. I
34:21
Speaker 10: believe one or all of them were pretty familiar.
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Speaker 4: Character flaws.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you just say possible flaws? You mean a
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Speaker 1: wrap sheet as long as I seventy five? Is that
34:32
Speaker 1: a possible flaw in your mind?
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Speaker 10: That's one example of a possible flaw. But yeah, that's
34:38
Speaker 10: a rap sheet. Just bad character. I mean, even the
34:41
Speaker 10: ones that are testifying are involved. You know, they're not
34:44
Speaker 10: a good Samaritan. They're just trying to help themselves. And
34:47
Speaker 10: so that brings into some concern are they really testifying
34:51
Speaker 10: to do the right thing or are they testifying to
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Speaker 10: save them to the forensics.
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Speaker 1: And with that one, I don't have to worry about
34:58
Speaker 1: it because it's just Heaven drops another bombshell in the States.
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Speaker 1: Lat listen.
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Speaker 7: Six months after the arrest of Dylan Adams and subsequent
35:08
Speaker 7: arrest of others, Larry Stone is hunting ginseeing in a
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Speaker 7: wooded area about twenty miles from Darden. Stone says he
35:14
Speaker 7: saw a large bucket in the woods and beneath the
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Speaker 7: bucket he found a human skull. Investigators recover the skull
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Speaker 7: and other remains in the area and positively identify Holly Bobo.
35:24
Speaker 7: Her skull has a bullet hole in the back and
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Speaker 7: fracturing her cheekbone as it exited straight out.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner, Terran County Star
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Speaker 1: on Mayhem in the Morgue, Doctor Kendall crowns decipher what
35:38
Speaker 1: we just learned that was found by two gen saying hunters,
35:43
Speaker 1: they see a bucket, they look under the bucket. Of
35:46
Speaker 1: course they looked under the bucket. They couldn't help themselves,
35:48
Speaker 1: and they find Holly Bobo's skull.
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Speaker 12: So what they described is the skull had no flesh
35:54
Speaker 12: on it and had an entrance wound in the back
35:56
Speaker 12: right side of the head and an eggsit wound on
35:58
Speaker 12: the left side of the facial bones of the cheek.
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Speaker 12: So it showed that she was kind of executed by
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Speaker 12: a single gunshot wound to the back of the head.
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Speaker 1: Doctor crowns, how do you explain the fact that only
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Speaker 1: a few of her bones were found. That doesn't necessarily
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Speaker 1: mean she was dismembered, does it? It does not.
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Speaker 12: Sometimes when an individual dies in a wooded area, animals
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Speaker 12: come out and they scavenge. The vultures, crows, if there's razor,
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Speaker 12: hogs in the area, tye oats, anything can come in
36:32
Speaker 12: and take parts of the body away, and they'll spread
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Speaker 12: them over a wide, vast area of the wooded spot,
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Speaker 12: and you will find bones everywhere, and in fact, they
36:43
Speaker 12: can drag them off for miles and you may never
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Speaker 12: find all that person again.
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Speaker 5: The caate hook years to solve and longer to get
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Speaker 5: to court, But once there, Prosecutor Paul Hagerman laid out
36:53
Speaker 5: Zach Adams told Jason Audrey that he, Jane Austen, and
36:56
Speaker 5: John Dylan Adams had kidnapped and Colly Autrey saw a
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Speaker 5: blanket in the bed of adams truck. There was a
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Speaker 5: body in the blanket. Hagerman says, Autry has been offered
37:05
Speaker 5: immunity to testify, and that's going to tell the jury,
37:08
Speaker 5: He asked, sag Adams, how did this blank get in
37:11
Speaker 5: your truck? The plan was to gut her body so
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Speaker 5: it would sink in the water, but Holly moved and
37:16
Speaker 5: made a noise. That's when Zach Adams got a gun
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Speaker 5: and shot Holly in the back of the head.
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Speaker 10: He hurt her, he killed, she held her up, she
37:38
Speaker 10: fragged about it, and he almost got.
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Speaker 1: Away from our friends that law news. So let me understand,
37:47
Speaker 1: Shane Deeert. These guys convicted. How is it that's some
37:57
Speaker 1: way the lee member on the A train could walk free?
38:06
Speaker 1: How can this be?
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Speaker 4: My understanding is Nancy that Audrey has begin did his
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Speaker 4: testimony and has admitted that he did it to get
38:16
Speaker 4: a deal. And that's you know where we're staying. When
38:21
Speaker 4: you lose your star witness, h then.
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Speaker 1: You got hold on just a moment, Shane Diner, let
38:27
Speaker 1: me understand something. So we've got Jason Autrey testifying a
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Speaker 1: trial with a story so rich in detail it's hard
38:35
Speaker 1: not to believe, even talking about his own involvement. But then,
38:40
Speaker 1: let's don't forget about being powers that John Dylon Adams
38:46
Speaker 1: also took a guilty play to thirty five years behind bars.
38:53
Speaker 1: So what they're gonna plead guilty to thirty five years
38:56
Speaker 1: and eight years, respectively, because they didn't do it well.
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Speaker 10: I think they're going to take a plea in that
39:02
Speaker 10: situation because the state's got a witness that they're concerned
39:05
Speaker 10: about testifying and being able to put it all together
39:08
Speaker 10: in a compelling way. And what they're looking at is
39:11
Speaker 10: the possibility of life without parole, or the next best
39:16
Speaker 10: thing would be life with parole, which is fifty one years.
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Speaker 10: And so under those circumstances, there's a lot of motive
39:22
Speaker 10: to take a plea that doesn't always have to do
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Speaker 10: with guilt or innocence, but rather self preservation.
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Speaker 1: Now, isn't it also true to Dave Mac that when
39:34
Speaker 1: I said it was critical where her discarded items are found,
39:38
Speaker 1: that many of them were found just seventy five feet
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Speaker 1: from one of the purpose driveways. Another coincidence, Dave Mac.
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Speaker 8: The fascinating part about where those items are founding, as
39:50
Speaker 8: as you pointed out, is these men were familiar so
39:53
Speaker 8: much with the area that they were driving the first
39:56
Speaker 8: drive away from the house and then back towards it
39:58
Speaker 8: on different roads, but back in this day direction, seventy
40:01
Speaker 8: five feet from Shane Austen's front door. That's where they
40:04
Speaker 8: found a receipt with Holly Bobo's name on it. Now,
40:07
Speaker 8: you mentioned a minute ago about the guilty pleas and
40:10
Speaker 8: things like that, of the four members of the A train,
40:14
Speaker 8: only Zach Adams actually went to trial. You know, we've
40:18
Speaker 8: got Audrey rolling over on everybody and creating such an
40:21
Speaker 8: incredible story on the stand. Is so articulate. The judge
40:25
Speaker 8: that he was the best witness he had ever seen.
40:27
Speaker 8: John Dillon Adams, you know, he just he was the
40:31
Speaker 8: reason that even got an arrest to start with, when
40:33
Speaker 8: there was no body found. And Shane Austen actually committed
40:37
Speaker 8: suicide in February of twenty fifteen. So he commits suicide
40:42
Speaker 8: and they never get it police under wh but they offered.
40:45
Speaker 1: Him as killing Holly Bobo and commit suicide. So two
40:51
Speaker 1: of them take to play. One commits suicide in the
40:53
Speaker 1: other coast to trial and is now saying it's all
40:57
Speaker 1: a big line. But let me ask you one more thing.
40:59
Speaker 1: Isn't true, Dave Mack that Autrey gave the statement about
41:06
Speaker 1: how Holly Bobo was shot once in the back of
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Speaker 1: the head. Then the skull is found and lo and behold,
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Speaker 1: it's exactly what he says happened, exactly as Autrey describes it.
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Speaker 8: Odd that you would tell the truth and claim it's
41:23
Speaker 8: a lie. You know, none of it makes sense, But
41:26
Speaker 8: I don't know. When you've got lifelong criminals and drug
41:30
Speaker 8: addicts and dealers, you can't believe anything they're saying. But
41:33
Speaker 8: when they tell the truth and it matches up with
41:35
Speaker 8: the evidence you've got, I kind of think you go
41:38
Speaker 8: ahead and believe that.
41:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially in line of the fact that they describe
41:42
Speaker 1: what happened before the skull is found, So I guess
41:47
Speaker 1: they're clairvoyant. Yet again, this is coming to the court
41:51
Speaker 1: under a very little used writ of quorum and nabis,
41:56
Speaker 1: which means that, according to the convicted killer, Zachary Itams,
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Speaker 1: he wants to correct the record of its factual inaccuracies. Okay,
42:06
Speaker 1: you go ahead and get After that, we wait as
42:10
Speaker 1: justice unfolds. And now we remember an American hero police officer,
42:13
Speaker 1: Sia Burton, just twenty eight years old, shot and killed
42:20
Speaker 1: at a traffic stop, survived by fiance set to be
42:25
Speaker 1: wed in just nine days. Sierra and K nine partner
42:33
Speaker 1: Brev American hero police officer Siarra Burton, Nancy Grace signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,