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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Real Meaning Of The Word Massage (6/25/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: All right, so we're going to jump into our article today,
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and the article we're going to discuss is about the
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unsealed testimony that dropped, and specifically we're going to be
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talking about the massage portion. Now, we have an article
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from New York Post and the author is Ben fure Heard.
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The headline is massage testimony Guielaine Maxwell fault to keep
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hidden is unsealed. Now, obviously we know that this does
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not fall under the blanket of private interactions that PRESCA
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talked about. This is obviously something that is pertinent to
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the case. This is something that is important to understand
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what occurred and to understand why Maxwell is under fire.
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So that's why PRESCO released to this portion of it
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and unredacted it. It is very, very crucial that everybody
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understands that Gilayne Maxwell is a liar and according to
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all of this evidence that we have, the circumstantial evidence.
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Sureley points that way, the deposition Sureley point that way,
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and the prosecution seems to think the same. Gilaine Maxwell's
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own lawyers aren't jumping up and down and going crazy
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like it's a house of pain video saying that she's innocent.
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It's all about technicalities. It's all about looking for these
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loopholes or trying to find a way to wiggle off
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of the hook. This time around, though, I think that
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the fish has found themselves completely and utterly at the
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mercy of the fishermen, and that would be the prosecution
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at this point, because Maxwell certainly doesn't seem to be
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wriggling off of this hook anytime soon. Testimony is showing
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Gilayne Maxwell claiming to have never given a massage to
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her perverted ex co conspirator, fellow child abuser, general all
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around scuzbag pale and pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, or to anyone else.
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Was unsealed in a civil case Thursday after she lost
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a legal fight to keep it under wraps. So she's
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never given a massage to anyone else ever in her life. Huh,
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never once gave anyone a massage. Hmm. Interesting. We know
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that's a bunch of bs. And it's funny that she
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corners herself like this in the deposition and that she
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answers so forcefully in the deposition when she could have
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easily pleaded the fifth just like Epstein. But what she
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did was well, she sunk herself. This is why I
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talk about perjury traps. This is what they do. This
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is what the FBI does. They will set a perjury
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trap like this. And if you're not slick, and if
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you think that you're smarter, well this is the end result.
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Most times, even if they don't have something on you, well,
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they'll figure something out. They'll find a way to get
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you to lie to them. And then once you lie
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to the FBI, that's a crime. So yeah, the last
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thing you want to do is lie to people like
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this because it will come back to haunt you in
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a deposition, especially when the federal government is gunning for you.
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The excerpt, which is at the heart of a perjury
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case against the British socialite co conspirator General all Around Scusbag,
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was part of a July twenty sixteen deposition Maxwell gave
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even a civil defamation suit brought against her by Virginia Roberts,
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who claims she was recruited by Maxwell to be abused
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by Epstein and his associates. So once again you can
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see why they have so much venom for Virginia and
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why they're so gung ho and looking forward to trying
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to destroy her reputation because she has brought the goods.
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It's all of this testimony by Virginia that really opened
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the door for this and it's what moved the spotlight
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back on them. And it also gave voice to all
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of those girls who were voiceless, all of these survivors
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who have come forward and have spoken out in public.
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They have become the voice and the de facto face
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of all of the unnamed girls that have been lost
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to time or to history, or who have never even
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been reported. In this case, did you ever give a
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massage to anyone other than mister Epstein at any of
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mister Epstein's properties, An attorney for Roberts asked Maxwell, So
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right there there, the attorneys setting it up right, open
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ended question. Let's let's get the tires kicked here, Let's
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let's get her on record, and let's see how truthful
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she's going to be. And it worked. It most certainly
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worked because the way they walked her in to the
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perjury here, well, it was quite well crafted by the prosecution.
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They did their homework, they knew what they were dealing with,
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they knew the factors in the case, and then they
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used all of that to add the perjury charges on
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top of the other charges that they were preparing for her,
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And as you well know, I think that that's just
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the beginning of the end for these people, right. I
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believe that a superseded indictment is on its way, and
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that superseded indictment will contain vicious rico charges. First of all,
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I never said I gave mister Epstein a massage, Maxwell responded,
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which is absolute bs. I mean, people talked about how
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she gave Jeffrey Epstein a massage, and she's talked about
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it as well. So it's pretty funny that she thought
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that would never come back to haunt her. And here
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we are, the year twenty twenty one, twenty twenty and
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right back boomeranging around, Karma comes and smashes her directly
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in the mush Boy. It's joyful to watch, isn't it.
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Part of the excerpt is included in the Southern District
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of New York's criminal indictment against Maxwell, who faces two
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perjury charges and four charges related to her allegedly procuring
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young women for Epstein to abuse. So the federal government
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has proven here as they go after Maxwell, that they've
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been capable of this the whole time, and they sat
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on their hands, They sat on a mountain of evidence,
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the highest ranking members of the DOJ signing off on
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Epstein's non prosecution agreement. Even but now the pressure gets
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turned up on the public officials and all eyes are
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on the Department of Justice, and all of a sudden, well,
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things are moving in a different direction, aren't they. And
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while that is certainly good to see, that doesn't mean
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that there are off the hook for their non action
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and their terrible behavior previously. I truly believe that after
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all is said and done, when the smoke clears and
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convictions happened, that Senate and Congress need to convene and
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hold meetings and hold all sorts of hearings about what
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occurred here and how it was allowed to occur. And
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anybody that was involved in harboring Jeffrey Epstein's image that
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was a federal official or somebody who was elected to
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office or anything like that needs to be censored or
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needs to be charged criminally if they were involved in
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criminal acts, because what occurred previously, for the decades leading
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up to the arrest, the second arrest of Epstein and
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then Maxwell, is unacceptable and it can never ever ever
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be allowed to happen again. The Feds alleged she knowingly
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lied about the massages. Yeah, for sure she did what.
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She never gave Epstein a massage. She was the one
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who showed these girls how to give these massages. Her
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and Sarah Kellen, I mean, who does she think she's kidding?
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There are dozens and dozens of witnesses that are lined
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up against her. It's going to be absolutely insane to
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see how many people come out and act as witnesses
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against Maxwell. I bet you there's going to be a
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procession of them. Maxwell's attorneys had nevertheless sought to keep
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the excerpt redacted in the civil case, but Judge Loretta
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Presco ruled earlier this week that it should be made
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public because it does not deal with consensual sexual activity
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between adults. And this is what I talk about with
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the cross referencing. Right, we see in the criminal report,
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in the criminal charges against Maxwell, the same thing we
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see here in the de information suit. And this is
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how they got from A to B. So it's important
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for the cross referencing and as a blueprint and as
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a receipt, it does not relate to private sexual activity
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of consenting adults, but only to massages. Presca wrote in
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her decision, any private interest she has in sealing this
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portion of testimony does not outweigh the presumption of public
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access that attaches to it, that is for sure, and
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again PRESCO understands. I believe that this adds great context
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to it, and the fact that receipts are being provided
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can only be a good thing moving forward as far
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as transparency is concerned, because at the end of the day,
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there has been a complete and total breakdown when it
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comes to not only the system, but the transparency that
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we're supposed to have within the system. There has been
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none of that. So it's nice to see somebody in
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position of power like Presca trying to change things. Maxwell
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is pleaded not guilty to all the counts she is facing.
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She's awaiting trial in federal jail in Brooklyn. Epstein's survivors
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have accused Maxwell of acting as his recruiter in the
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nineteen nineties, convincing girls and young women to visit his
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properties in Florida, the Virgin Islands, and New York, where
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he would abuse them. Not only that, she is being
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accused of actually partaking in the abuse. Remember that's a
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whole different level of scum, right, that is a whole
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different level of scum. It's one thing to help Epstein
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refurbish his image, it's a whole nother thing entirely to
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be involved on the ground with the abuse. The multi
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millionaire pedophile who killed himself in a Lower Manhattan jail
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cell allegedly in twenty nineteen often groomed his survivors by
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asking them to massage. On air quotes massage. That's why
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it's laughable at best when Dershowitz acts like, oh, I
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only got a massage at Jeffrey Epstein's when everybody knows
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that massage was code word for something entirely different for Maxwell,
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big mistake for her was answering questions during that deposition
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and not following the path of her pal Jeffrey Epstein
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and pleading the fifth Sometimes, Hubris and your big mouth,
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well they come back to haunt you. I'd like to
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contact me. You could do that at Bobby Kapuchi at
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ProtonMail dot com. That's Bobby c ap you Cci at
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ProtonMail dot com. You can also find me on Twitter
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at Bobby underscore c ap you Cci. All of the
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links that go at this episode can be found in
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the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to
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another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. Hope that all of
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you are having a great mourning out there so far,
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and hopefully the rest of your day is even better.
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As we sit and await the verdict from the jury
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in the Galain Maxwell trial, I'm left with several questions,
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hell a lot more than several, but we'll try and
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keep the scope small here this morning. And one of
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the questions that keeps popping up in my mind is
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the massage table and what sort of relevance that had
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as far as them providing it as evidence inside of
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the courtroom. And then when you look at some of
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the other charges, the interstate charges, the charges of bringing
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girls from across state lines for sex, it starts to
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make a little bit more sick events what they were
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doing with a massage table. And this morning we're going
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to talk a little bit more about that as we
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wait for this verdict, and we're going to discuss a
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little bit more about how that massage table is relevant
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and why they were introducing it in the first place
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as evidence. Now, obviously the jury is going to take
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as much time as needed will there be a verdict today?
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I don't know, quite possible. Like I said last night,
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I have a gut feeling that there will be a
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verdict today, But that doesn't, you know, mean much. It's
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just a guess on my part. But one thing we
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do know is that the jury is going through things
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with a fine tooth comb, and they're definitely being very deliberate.
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Now does that bode well for the prosecution. Does that
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bode well well for the defense? I don't know. But
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what I will tell you is this, we are almost
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at the point where all the questions are going to
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be put to rest, and hopefully they're going to be
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replaced with some answers. Because throughout this whole entire thing,
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at least for the three years or so that I've
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been covering it, all we seem to get are a
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lot more questions and no answers. So hopefully today, tomorrow,
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next day, or two, whatever it may be, we get
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the answer at the very least on Glane Maxwell's fate.
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Because I'll tell you what, folks, after all of the
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stuff that we have read, all of the articles that
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we have been through, all of the information that we
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have porn over, it is very obvious to me that
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Glane Maxwell, the core for and the rest of Jeffrey
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Epstein's associates, should have all been arrested the first time
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around when he originally got arrested, and they were all
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let off the hook, all because of that non prosecution
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agreement and the spaghetti spined prosecutors in Florida that played
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ball with Epstein. So for all of these years, Maxwell
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has been able to avoid being in the spotlight, really
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being put under the microscope, having to answer the allegations
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presented before her. But all of that that's all ended,
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and now Glenne Maxwell is sitting there with her fate
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in the hands of what I would guess are a
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bunch of working class, middle class, lower were middle class Americans,
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and that does not seem like it's going to be
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a a good feeling for Gallainne Maxwell. When those she
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hates the most are the ones that are going to
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decide her fate. And when they do decide her fate,
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they're going to be taking a lot of things into account.
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And one of those things, like I discussed here a
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second ago in the opening, is this massage table. So
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we're gonna talk a little bit more about this massage
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table right now and how it's relevant moving forward. This
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is an article from the New York Post headline Here's
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why Epstein's massage table could land Maxwell a forty year sentence.
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This article was authored by Ben Fuerhard. Jeffrey Epstein's green
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massage table was rolled into the courtroom as evidence in
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Glaine Maxwell's trial because it's key to the top charge
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the accused madam co conspirator General all around Scusbag faces.
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The unorthodox piece of evidence was raised by Assistant US
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Attorney Alison Moe in her closing argument Monday, as she
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explained the loan sex trafficking charge against Maxwell, which involves
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an element of interstate commerce, and that's where the massage
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table comes in. Right. The interstate commerce part the sex
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trafficking count relates only to testimony from maxwell accuser Carolyn,
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who said she was groped by the disgraced socialite co
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conspirator General all around scuzbag and bipedal serpent at age
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fourteen while preparing the massage Epstein. So the idea here
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is that this table was made in California but shipped
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to Florida, and according to Alison Moe, and the prosecutors
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that would affect the interstate commerce clause, and that would
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also move forward the charges of Glen Maxwell and sex trafficking.
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So it seems like a mundane a bit of information, right,
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and kind of like a situation where when it was happening,
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we're like, why are they even introducing this massage table?
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What sort of role is that going to play? But
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it makes sense when you hear their closing statement, the
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closing arguments from the prosecution and what they're positing the
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table to mean. The charge carries a maximum sentence of
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forty years in prison, the stiffest penalty of the six
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counts against Maxwell. Because Carolyn was abused by Epstein on
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a massage table that was made in California and shipped
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to Florida. That alone affects interstate commerce, most said in
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or closing argument, and it also bolsters the argument that
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these girls were being shipped across state lines for sexual purposes.
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We all know that that was the case. We know
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that Ghlainne Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein weren't flying these girls
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all over the place out of the kindness of their hearts. Ah,
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you know, we know that you've had it rough. You
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come from a broken home, parents were on drugs, you
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were abused by your relatives. So we're gonna make your
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life better. We just want you to come hang out
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with us and get a taste of a good life. Now,
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if that was what Epstein and Maxwell were doing, boy,
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this wouldn't even be a conversation, would it. But that's
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not what they were doing. That's how they would set
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it up. We want to take care of you. We're
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gonna help you. Here's some money. Oh no, this is
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an abuse. This is normal behavior. Look at all the
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other girls doing it. Even Gallayne Maxwell, Oxford educated Posh
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Galene Maxwell is involved. And that was their whole shtick,
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wasn't it, the whole entire scam. When she was abused
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on a massage table that was manufactured in California, that
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proves that there was at least a minimal effect on
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interstate commerce, which is all that is required for this count,
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Mole told jurors. And while it seems like a weak connection,
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she is not wrong. That is all that really, uh,
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all that really matters to prove that there was minimal
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effect on interstate commerce here, and if you're going by
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the letter of the law, which they should be. Then
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that should affect Maxwell and how the jurors read these accusations.
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You can't use interstate commerce in the pursuit of criminal
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activities such as human trafficking. And again I ask you,
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like a broken record at this point, where is the
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man at charges? Where are all of the heavy ass
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federal charges that they love to drop on people. Those
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of you who have listened to this podcast, you know
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I've screamed from mountaintops about this. I've seen Rico unleashed
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on regular folks, people I care about, for things as
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ridiculous as quote unquote illegal sports gambling. Yet these people
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are able to get away with this shit for so long.
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They're able to use stuff like the massage table and
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engage in inner state commerce in the pursuit of human trafficking,
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and there's no gigantic federal pop for that. The two
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tier justice system is alive and well, folks, and it's
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right there in front of all of your faces. You
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just have to be willing to see what's going on here.
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And I don't care what side of the political aisle
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you're on. Guess what, it doesn't matter to them either. Okay,
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if you're your work class. You're the working poor. You're
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nothing to them. You are a piece on the game board.
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Just look at the way they treat their endless wars.
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Look at the way they treat the poor. Ah, you
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know what, the people are starving. That's right, Let them
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meet war. And on and on and on it goes.
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Jurors must also weigh a number of other elements to
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convict Maxwell on the count, including whether she knew Carolyn
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was under eighteen, that she knowingly recruited her, and that
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she caused Carolyn to engage in a commercial sex act.
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Most said, check, check, check, check, she knew Carolyn was
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under eighteen, she knowingly recruited her, and she caused Carolyn
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to engage in a commercial sex act. All of that,
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all the boxes are checked. So with that, the jury
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should take a look at this and see exactly what
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we're seeing as well. And again it seems like a
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mundane fact, right, the massage table. And it's not a
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huge piece of evidence, right, like a huge piece of
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evidence that you would traditionally see. But it does put
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the pieces together here and it ties together their commercial
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sex act in an interstate manner. So that is what
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the whole entire premise behind this table is and was.
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After her summation, Maxwell defense attorney Bobby Sternham objected to
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the characterization of the table affecting interstate commerce, but was
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overruled by Judge Alison Nathan. Of course, the massage table
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was used in the course of the crime here, Prosecutor
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Andrew Roorback said after Sternham raised the objection on Monday.
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So they tried to object to it the table being
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used to affect interstate commerce, meaning Maxwell's defense team, and
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they were shot down by Judge Nathan. And that's another
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reason why I'm bringing this up, because I think it's
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going to prove relevant moving forward here, obviously to get
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the charges locked in on Maxwell. So with Nathan giving
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the okay that the table did affect interstate commerce, that
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signals to the jury that this, in fact is what
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the prosecutors are asserting, that it is a piece of
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evidence used in a crime of human trafficking interstate lines
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with commerce attached to it. The massage table from the
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multimillionaire pedophiles Palm Beach estate was brought into the Manhattan
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courtroom and briefly examined by a police officer who testified
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on December third. Now, remember this massage table, this green
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massage table, was taken in the raid of Jeffrey Epstein's
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house in two thousand and five in Palm Beach, and
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Officer Parkinson, who was one of the witnesses, was the
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one who who gave the testimony in the courtroom about
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the massage table that it was the exact massage table,
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all of that stuff, confirmed that it was the evidence
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that they seized and even set it up in the courtroom.
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The dark green, collapsible table was shown to jurors as
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Assistant US Attorney Maureen Comy quizzed former Palm Beach police
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officer Gregory Parkinson about a search warrant he and other
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cops executed at the estate in two thousand and five.
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Parkinson put on black disposable gloves and briefly examined the
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table in the middle of the courtroom, about ten feet
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away from where Maxwell sat with her defense attorneys. So
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remember think back to December third, all the way back
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to the very beginning of this basically and Parkinson's testimony,
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and we talked about it a little bit then about
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the table and how you know it was seems to
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be a bit inconstant Quenchel. But later on down the road,
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when you get all of the arguments locked in, things
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start to make a little bit more sense. And that
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certainly is the case with this massage table, no doubt
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about it. He then told Komy that it was indeed
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the massage table seized from Epstein's estate on October twentieth,
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two thousand and five, the day he and other officers
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searched the mansion. Now they found a whole bevy of
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stuff in that mansion, folks, all kinds of videos and pictures,
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and who knows what the hell else they found. The
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question is where is all of that stuff? And why
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wasn't any of it used to get more convictions here?
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We also know that at some point Epstein's lawyers left
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Epstein's house in Palm Beach after the first arrest with
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a hard drive and a bag full of other stuff.
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So where did all of this stuff go? And why
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were all of Epstein's properties raided at the very same time. Oh, sure,
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we saw the raid in New York, and we saw
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in Florida. Oh we saw them head on down to
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the Virgin Islands, but not all at the same time.
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The second this asshole was arrested, the second that plane
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landed in Teterborough, they should have took him into custody.
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And at the same time they took him into custody,
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every single one of his homes should have been raided
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from New Mexico all the way down to the Virgin Islands,
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every one of them at the same time should have
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had those doors kicked in. But that didn't occur. So
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when you piecemeal it, and you do it a little
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bit out of time, of course evidence is going to
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be hidden. Of course you're going to miss things, and
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of course Epstein's going to be able to continue with
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his disgusting deviancy. It's from the second floor south bathroom
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where the shower was, he said. The jury and the
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max Well trial deliberated for a full day Monday and
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sent four notes to the judge requesting transcripts of testimony
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and clarifications on what evidence they can consider for the
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counts against her. So as we sit here today, folks,
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and we wait for this verdict, as we wait for
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the jury to come back with a decision on Glaine
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Maxwell's future, We're left with a lot of questions still
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and a lot of people have legitimate questions. Hopefully we
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get some more answers, because I'll tell you, up until
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this point, every time you get one question answered, well,
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there's about ten more questions that come right after it.
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And it's been like that since, at the very least
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since I started looking into this case three years ago,
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and I don't see it changing anytime soon. So we'll
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see what the jury comes up with. We'll see if
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today is the day, if it's gonna take them a
30:03
little bit longer, whatever it is, we're gonna be here
30:06
for it every single morning, every single evening, now tomorrow,
30:13
day after you name it, until we get this verdict.
30:17
And then after the verdict, Oh what you think the
30:19
conversation is over. These people are still out there running
30:23
the streets, the people who were working with Epstein, the
30:28
remnants of his operation, the Core four. There is still
30:33
a very very long and sordid story to be told here, folks,
30:38
And hopefully with a conviction of Glenn Maxwell, we start
30:44
moving towards that whole entire story unfolding. As for this morning,
30:52
that's gonna wrap it up, folks, And we're gonna sit
30:55
back now and we're gonna wait to see what occurs
30:57
throughout the day. Obviously, like usual, context episodes come in
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your way, and then tonight the evening update, hopefully the
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Verdict edition. So I hope that all of you have
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a great day and I will be back later on.
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The link that we discussed can be found in the
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description box. Come back to the Epstein chronicles. Recently, we've
31:41
heard from several people about the way Prince Andrew conducts
31:45
himself when interacting with people that are considered the hired
31:50
help or people that are working for him. And let's
31:54
say the Yelp reviews were not great. We heard that
32:00
he would make one of the people that take care
32:03
of the house, one of the household, you know, butlers
32:06
or whatever, go upstairs and close the curtains even though
32:10
he was sitting a couple of feet away. We know
32:13
about the weird ass hide and seek game. We know
32:18
how he would brate the hired help if his Teddy
32:21
Bear collection wasn't put the way he likes it. But
32:25
what we're going to hear about tonight this one is
32:28
this is the worst, honestly, And if this lady's account
32:33
of her interactions with Andrew are true, then it just
32:37
goes to show you, once again the kind of person
32:39
we're dealing with here. If he's this brazen with hired
32:44
help with people that are not part of a human
32:47
trafficking ring, how brazen do you think he would have
32:50
been with girls that are provided by Epstein? And once
32:55
again we're going to hear in this article about the massages,
33:00
all of these dudes in their massages, and we all
33:04
know after you dig a little bit deeper, what the
33:07
massage really was in Epstein's circle code word for sex,
33:13
and Prince Andrew Dershowitz all of these guys that, oh,
33:18
it was just a massage. Yeah, that's fine. And well,
33:20
if you're at an actual, you know, massage joint, and
33:23
I don't mean one that Robert Kraft would be visiting.
33:27
I'm talking about an actual legitimate spot here in Las Vegas.
33:30
There's a bunch of them all over the strip, in
33:32
these casinos where you're paying a boatload a doe to
33:35
go and get worked on. And I'm sure that there's
33:38
tons of those kinds of places in New York as well,
33:41
wherever you are, to be honest with you, and when
33:44
you have the kind of money that these people have,
33:46
they could have the access to the best massage therapists
33:49
in the world. Right. What are they doing bringing in
33:52
girls with no experience? Oh? I get it. They're just
33:55
such charitable people. They want to teach them the right
33:57
way to perform a massage. Right. So, like I said,
34:01
this article is from the Sun and the headline is
34:06
Royal creep. Prince Andrew was my creepiest massage client and
34:10
kept asking X rated questions about my sex life, says
34:13
royal massage therapist. This article was authored by Rachel Dale
34:20
and a bit of unsolicited advice. If you're getting a massage,
34:24
you should probably save the X rated questions. Okay, it's
34:28
probably uncomfortable enough for these massage therapists to be rubbing
34:32
their hands all over these gross mf's bodies. Add in
34:36
the comments and the commentary from the Peanut Gallery and
34:39
it makes it much harder to perform their job. Nobody
34:42
should be subjected to that nonsense. A massage therapist who
34:47
was told to treat Prince Andrew in his bedroom, claims
34:50
he was her creepiest client and a constant sex pest.
34:54
This is the Prince of England, the guy that is
34:57
being accused by Virginia of having sex with her when
35:02
she was under age and being trafficked a bunch of receipts.
35:07
We've seen, We've heard corroborating statements from people, we have
35:11
the picture. But this guy who is being called a
35:14
sex pest by this massage therapist, who I'm sure has
35:17
no ax to grind, and he wants us to believe
35:21
that there's no validity to what Virginia has to say
35:24
and we should just take his word for it, zero chance.
35:31
And that's the biggest thing for me, folks. He's provided
35:36
nothing in the way of evidence, and all we do
35:39
is keep hearing stories from people who are coming out
35:42
of the woodwork now basically every other day, that have
35:45
another story about their interactions with Andrew and how it
35:49
made them uncomfortable or how he demeaned them or now
35:53
in this case, had all kinds of sexual type comments
35:57
towards this lady who's just trying to make a living.
36:02
Emma Groombaum forty says he quizzed her on her love
36:05
life and tried to hug her after sessions at Royal Lodge, Windsor.
36:09
And again, why would you do that? Do you? I mean,
36:12
do you go and hug the gas station attendant after
36:15
he rings up your snickers bar? So why are you
36:18
hugging your massage therapist unless, of course you guys are
36:21
friends and you have an established relationship. Stop making people uncomfortable.
36:26
And people like Prince Andrew, they're just so tone deaf
36:28
and they can't read the situation. Ever. They think everybody
36:32
wants to have his hands on them, right, nobody's ever
36:35
told them no in his whole life, so he just assumes,
36:39
and the reality is nobody wants this guy touching them.
36:43
She says she swore at the Duke and stared at
36:45
him after a remark about her bottom, adding it was
36:49
just so tense and weird, And she says one crew
36:53
to remark led to her, telling him it's none of
36:56
your fucking business. So obviously he's said a few things
37:00
to her that have crossed a line. To say that
37:03
to the Prince of England, to say that to anybody,
37:06
you have to be pretty fired up, you would think, right,
37:09
And again we're talking about Prince Andrew here, so I
37:13
don't doubt for a minute what this lady is talking about.
37:17
What she's saying. Emma fifty speaks out today after Andrew's
37:23
legal team said his sex case accuser, Virginia Roberts may
37:27
suffer from false memories. Oh yeah, I'm sure that's exactly
37:31
what it is, of false memories. So and ring up
37:34
Elizabeth Loftus speaking of there's an article out with her
37:38
talking about this Prince Andrew situation. We're gonna get to
37:41
that article eventually and added to the catalog the next
37:43
couple of days. Emma told the son, I don't want
37:47
to sit by and not speak out about the way
37:49
he was towards me as he calls Virginia delusional. See,
37:52
this is what I'm talking about. Prince Andrew's playing with fire.
37:56
And there's a lot more people out there that Andrew
37:59
is shitt on on his way up, right, well, not
38:01
even on his way up from his perch that he
38:03
was born into a top of the tree. And you
38:06
know what they say, right, you shouldn't shit on people
38:08
on your way up the ladder because you never know
38:10
on the way down, and you're definitely seeing it here.
38:13
All of these people that he wronged and demeaned and
38:16
treated like less, then they're all going to have something
38:18
to say now. And that builds a huge profile of
38:21
Andrew and a look behind the scenes that people weren't
38:25
privy to before. And remember, he was being protected all
38:28
the way up until at least twenty fifteen with Amy
38:31
Robach and the interview being quashed by ABC. She also
38:38
said that Andrew Andrew was a constant sex pest and
38:42
tried to hug her after sessions, always insisted on being
38:45
naked apart from one of his own towels. Sounds like
38:48
it's good, buddy, Jeffrey Epstein, doesn't it same way Jeffrey
38:51
Epstein was conducting himself. Now, I'm not saying he was
38:54
physically raping anybody. We haven't heard that yet besides from Virginia.
38:59
But let's be very clear here, this is the same
39:02
kind of mo the same kind of nonsense. Fellow travelers,
39:05
as I always say, demanded full body massages were always
39:10
carried out in his bedroom despite her objections. How within
39:13
minutes of their first session, he asked her a highly
39:16
personal question about her sex life. Again, not the place
39:20
nor the time. You're the Prince of England. You're getting
39:24
a massage. Why are you asking this woman about her
39:27
sex life making her uncomfortable? And you mean to tell
39:30
me he was only in Thailand to see the sites
39:32
right when him and Epstein were hanging out topless on
39:35
the boat. He's just there to see the sights. But
39:37
he's asking this massage therapist who is in the royal,
39:41
on the royal grounds, these personal questions about her sex
39:44
life and all sorts of other nonsense. You see why
39:48
I don't believe the BS that's being pitched by him
39:51
and his surrogates. I don't believe it because it is
39:54
not believable. Emma was a thirty four year old sports
39:59
massage therapist at the Wentworth Club in Surrey when she
40:03
started treating Andrew's ex wife Sarah Ferguson in early two
40:06
thousand and five. Fergie recommended her services and Andrew staff
40:12
got in touch. I'm sure Emma rude the day. Huh
40:15
and Fergie again, another person who is sitting around acting
40:19
like Andrew's this great guy. I'm sure that he never
40:22
goes off the handle when it's just you guys. I'm
40:24
sure he treats the staff fantastically when it's just YouTube
40:26
behind closed doors and everybody else has the wrong idea.
40:32
Fergie recommended her services, and Andrew's staff got in touch.
40:37
Emma first met him that summer, a few months after
40:39
the first sex claims against the Duke's pal Jeffrey Epstein
40:43
emerged in the US. Now again, we know that Jeffrey
40:48
Epstein loved his massages too, And it all goes hand
40:51
in hand, right, you know, we talk about the big
40:53
the big puzzle, and putting the pieces together, starting at
40:56
the corners and working your way towards the middle. And
40:59
we're starting to see a real clear picture of what's
41:03
going on here and the kind of person that Andrew
41:06
is was and always will be. And we don't need
41:09
to have any kind of like excavation here either, Right,
41:12
It's a pretty easy picture to see. Emma, a freelancer
41:19
who was not knowingly vetted by palace staff, visited Andrew
41:23
six times that year. She said, I had a lot
41:25
of high profile clients and I often visited their homes,
41:29
but Andrew was very different. He was a constant sex
41:32
pest right from the start. I just don't get it. Honestly,
41:36
I really don't get it. You're the Prince of England.
41:38
You literally could have just about any woman you want.
41:41
If you're not being an animal. Just have at least
41:44
a little bit of drip, a little bit of swag,
41:47
a little bit of game, and you could have just
41:50
about any woman you want. Man. But here you are
41:53
harassing this lady who's trying to give your fat ass
41:56
a massage, your gross ass and massage. Oh then again,
41:59
maybe not. Maybe Emma is misremembering too. Maybe this was
42:03
a stunt double she was giving the massage to. Did
42:05
anybody call a old lady Victoria and get a scoop
42:09
from her? Emma says that she first got a call
42:14
from the Duke's personal secretary inviting her to the Royal
42:17
Lodge in Windsor Great Park. She added, that was unusual
42:21
to ask me to come on a Sunday afternoon, but
42:24
I said yes, and one along at about six pm
42:26
as arranged. And I'm not gonna talk about that. Even
42:30
I don't know what is the normal what's the normal
42:32
schedule to get a massage? I guess whenever your back hurts, right,
42:35
So I don't know anything about that I knew the
42:37
park because my horse was kept there. I took my
42:40
own table, which I always use because it is set
42:43
at the right height for me to do the massage properly.
42:46
But when I got there, I got told no, he
42:49
will only use his own table. So right off the bat, no,
42:53
he'll only use his own table. Now again, I could
42:55
understand that, right if you're some rich guy, some prince,
42:58
I guess you don't want to, you know, lay on
43:00
some other table where other people have been laying with
43:03
their nether regions splayed across it. I guess I can
43:06
get that. Can't really give them too much shit for that,
43:08
as much as I love piling on this clown. I
43:12
was led through the house by a member of staff.
43:15
I followed him up a couple of flights of stairs
43:17
and ended up in the bedroom a very impressive master suite.
43:21
I said, oh, I'm not really comfortable doing this in
43:23
his bedroom. I looked at the massage table and I said,
43:27
and that is much too high. It was up to
43:30
my hips, so I'd be kind of massaging at boob level,
43:33
which is something I obviously didn't want. So I said,
43:37
can we move it out of the bedroom? I'm not comfortable.
43:40
So again, right away she shows up and she has
43:43
one thing in mind, thinking, you know, all right, well,
43:45
it's gonna be a regular old massage. I'll show up,
43:47
got my table, I'll give this dude a massage, and
43:50
I'll be on my way. But it's not like that,
43:52
not in a common room, or a sports medicine room,
43:56
or the family room, his bedroom. But I was told
44:02
it wasn't an option. This is the way the Duke
44:05
liked it. He always had massages in his bedroom, and
44:08
he liked to be close to his bed to roll
44:10
into bed after. I mean, God forbid, you gotta walk
44:14
five hundred feet or up a flight of stairs. Huh,
44:16
your Royal highness, Uncle Touchy the Joe exotic of the
44:21
Windsor family. I was told not to make a fuss.
44:25
I didn't know what else to say, and the staff
44:28
member left. Emma says she then attempted to lower the
44:31
table to a level for a deep tissue massage. So
44:35
the staff members like, look, I'm not good. I'm not
44:37
dealing with this shit. You can deal with old Jeoffrey
44:41
the senior over here and deal with his nonsense. I'm out.
44:44
Don't touch the table. This is what he wants, this
44:46
is what he likes, she added. I dropped to the
44:51
floor and started to adjust the bed. I heard a voice, Hey,
44:55
nice ass. All right, I'm not even gonna repeat this,
44:58
do you? Uh? He says after that, Hey, nice ass?
45:02
And then do you take it up the you know what,
45:06
That's a delicate one there, huh. I'm not even gonna
45:10
delve into that. But I mean, are you kidding me
45:11
right now? You say that to somebody, someone that you
45:14
hire to give you a massage, do you take it
45:18
up the And hey, nice ass? I mean, wow, what
45:23
a depraved six son of a bitch. And again, look,
45:26
if you're gonna be this brazen with your massage therapist,
45:29
how are you conducting yourself in the privacy of the
45:32
home of one of the most prolific sex predators, child abusers,
45:39
and human traffickers in modern history. Pretty sure it's a
45:43
free for all. I stood up quickly and turned around.
45:47
I was up against the massage table and he was
45:50
up against me, eyeball the eyeball almost touching. He was
45:53
really close, and I went, none of your fucking business,
45:56
and he just looked at me in sort of a
45:58
dead stare and said, you can't talk to me like that.
46:01
I said, well, you can't speak to me like that.
46:04
Good for her, Good for her, just because this dude's
46:06
the Prince of England. Don't mean shit. Tell you what.
46:10
So if this was my lady, my girl, and she
46:13
was out giving this dude a massage, oh you better
46:15
believe he's catching a fade. Talk to somebody like this,
46:19
somebody's mom, somebody's sister, somebody's aunt. Dude acts like he
46:22
doesn't have daughters or women he cares about. This is
46:25
the way you conduct yourself. This is what you think
46:27
of women. There was then a momentary silence where I
46:33
was sort of staring at him, and I tried to
46:34
step sideways and get away from being up against the table.
46:37
It was just so tense. It was really weird. But
46:40
I have had stupid comments over the years. And I
46:43
just said, look, are you going to behave get your
46:45
robe off and lie down and let me do my work,
46:47
or I'm leaving. And he said, no, I think we're
46:49
going to get on just fine. So he's used to
46:53
this kind of stuff, right, talking to people in this manner.
46:55
It wasn't out of character. He wasn't having a bad day,
46:58
you know, he didn't get it, slipped an extra little
47:01
blue pill. He wasn't on Molly. This is just who
47:05
the dude is, showing you the character behind closed doors
47:09
of the scoundrel scumbag that he really is. And he
47:14
slipped off his robe and got on the table. I
47:18
always looked away as he got on the table and
47:20
made sure there was a towel covering his modesty, but
47:23
he was always naked under the towel. We started the massage,
47:26
but all the way through he was talking about anal
47:29
sex and making anal sex jokes. He asked when when
47:32
I had last had sex? It went on and on again.
47:36
Who do you think you are, bro? This is not
47:39
the time nor the place. What gives you the right
47:42
to talk to somebody like this? And again, somebody that
47:46
you're obviously exerting power over. Not only are you the
47:50
prince and she's a subject under the crown, but you're
47:53
hiring her to give you this massage. This is her
47:56
livelihood and you're out here talking about what you're talking about.
48:04
I kept telling him to shut up, but quickly quickly
48:06
realized he was okay with being talked at like he
48:09
was a naughty schoolboy kind of thing. So I just
48:12
carry it on in that vein telling him to shut up.
48:14
And that was the pattern I saw him. Six times.
48:17
He'd say he would get someone to pay me because
48:19
he doesn't deal with cash. Andrew's office sent checks to
48:22
Emma's home address, including a compliment slip from the duke. Now, look,
48:27
you mean to tell me you ain't got no petty
48:29
cash on hand, send me a check. Stop it. I
48:32
come over and I do some work for you, like
48:34
a massage or something. You better have a couple of
48:37
bucks waiting for me. Check my ass. He paid eighty
48:42
pounds for a seventy minute session and requested Emma services
48:45
almost every Sunday for a while. She added, every time
48:49
I saw him, he would try to overstep the line.
48:51
He tried to hug me without fail. I would have
48:53
to put my hands on his chest and push him
48:56
off and say, look, I don't do hugs. I mean,
48:59
I thought he didn't do public displays of affection, But
49:03
he's doing public displays of affection here with his massage therapist. Again,
49:08
none of his story adds up when you start hearing
49:11
from all of these people who know him, knew him,
49:13
were working for him, and you get the whole entire picture.
49:17
I don't know how his surrogates can go out there,
49:19
get online, write articles, whatever it may be, and act
49:23
like anyone's going to take them seriously, too busy to
49:26
prioritize your help. He asked me to watch a movie
49:29
a couple of times. Once he said he wanted to
49:31
make me a cup of tea and led me off somewhere.
49:33
As I was leaving, we ended up in the kitchen
49:36
and he said he didn't know where the kettle was.
49:38
I just wanted to leave. I said, firmly, look where's
49:41
the way out? And I left. Now again, remember his wife,
49:45
Thurgae is the one who hooked this all up, and
49:48
he's out here talking to her like this. No respect
49:51
for his wife, ex wife, friend, whatever it might be,
49:53
no respect for anybody. After visiting the Duke almost weekly
49:59
for around ti two months, Emma stopped getting calls from
50:02
his staff to arrange appointments. She said, I think it's
50:05
because he wanted more and he was clearly not going
50:08
to get anywhere. His advances weren't working, and I think
50:11
his patience ran out. He always tried to turn the
50:14
conversation to sex or jokes about sex. I tell him
50:18
it wasn't appropriate or it just wasn't funny. Now you
50:21
know what's funny about this? No pun intended. But you
50:24
have Prince Andrew's team out there talking about, oh, we
50:27
want to speak to any girls or know anything about
50:29
Virginia Roberts. Well, what about the flip side of that.
50:33
How many massage therapists out there have had the same
50:36
experiences with Prince Andrew. I'm sure there's some out there,
50:40
and I'm sure that there are plenty of people that
50:42
would be willing to let you tell their to tell
50:44
your story. You all know my email addresses more than
50:49
willing to give the microphone over for a little while.
50:56
He was a pest, but it was always in a
50:58
matron and schoolboy way. He seemed to want me to
51:00
tell him to shut up. He was just a creep.
51:03
I always used to tell my girlfriends what a total
51:05
creep he was. And again, look, we're not saying he
51:08
assaulted this lady or anything like that, because that's not
51:10
the case. But when you look at the whole picture,
51:13
and you look at all of the evidence built together,
51:16
and you know, built on the foundation of him being
51:20
a scumbag. It's a very hard image for him to
51:23
shake when all of these stories keep coming out and
51:26
the only people you have coming to your defense are
51:29
shoddy characters Conrad black dude from the intelligence agency, and
51:37
a socialite from yesteryear. Then I just stopped getting phone calls.
51:45
I was playing hard to get too hard. It didn't
51:47
bother me. I had a lot of great clients, but
51:50
I didn't see Sarah again after I started seeing the duke,
51:52
which was odd. I didn't complain to anyone at the
51:55
time because I thought everyone would just know what he
51:57
was like. I was a thirty four year old woman
52:00
and I can handle myself, and I felt I could
52:02
handle him, and you know there, look, let me be
52:05
very clear, there are a lot of women out there
52:07
that dudes like this have no chance against. You get
52:10
stupid with a woman who is strong in her beliefs
52:15
and you know isn't from the broken home or anything
52:18
like that. Sometimes you pick the wrong target and these
52:21
women will tell you where to stuff it. And thankfully,
52:25
for her sake, she was one of those type of
52:27
women and not somebody that was, you know, cowed by
52:30
his power. But now I see the way he's treated
52:35
younger women. It is scary to think how I might
52:37
have felt if I was ten years younger and less experienced.
52:40
Exactly right. When you have less life experience, or you're
52:43
from a broken home, you're not as confident. You're confident
52:46
in yourself, yet it's a lot harder for you not
52:49
to break down in advances like that or to be intimidated.
52:55
Emma's experience echoes that of massus Monique gia Nelone, who
53:00
told two years ago how in two thousand, a valet
53:03
showed her Andrew's bedroom at Buckingham Palace before he came
53:06
out of a bathroom naked. Monique's unvetted visit sparked a
53:10
security breach after it was revealed she was introduced to
53:13
him by Epstein's lover and Andrew's pal, Glaine Maxwell. So
53:18
what do you think she was over there for? Just
53:19
for the regular old massage, right, because that's what Jeffrey
53:22
Epstein provided, just regular old massages. This dude's basically using
53:28
the palace and the palace grounds as a brothel for himself.
53:36
Last month, The Sun reported on claims by Andrew's x
53:39
maid Charlotte Briggs, that he made her run up four
53:42
flights of stairs to close curtains. He was sitting next
53:44
to Emma Now, a successful surveyor who lives in Windsor,
53:49
said she was speaking out because there is more and
53:51
more evidence and noise about how he has behaved. She added,
53:55
I just really want to add my voice and my
53:57
experience to help if it does help at all, to
53:59
add add context to the sort of character he is
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and how he treated me. And if that helps Virginia,
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then for fantastic. And again that's big for me. Folks.
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How long have we been talking about that here? Building
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that profile. I don't make the news. I've told you
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that a bunch of times. My job is to put
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it all together for you to make a decision on
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the way you see it. And when you look at
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everything here and you hear all of these stories, you
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hear from Emma what she's saying, You hear about the
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quote unquote massage therapist that's provided by Maxwell, and you
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know exactly what he was up to. You know exactly
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what he was up to. Ms Roberts claims that she
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was trafficked by Epstein to have sex with Andrew when
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she was seventeen. He denies all of her claims and
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faces civil trial in New York later this year. A
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spokesman for Andrew did not want a comment on Emma's
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story A twenty year history of Rubbins. Just a quick
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little blurb on some of the other instances of Andrew
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being a scuzzbag. Nineteen ninety nine, Heidi Windell, then in
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her early sixties, gave Andrew several non sexual massages on
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Jeffrey Epstein's Little Saint James in the US Virgin Islands.
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She said Andrew told her he had been bitten by
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a mosquito on his royal arse. The island was to
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become known as Epstein's pedophile Island. And again not saying
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he was abusing anyone on that island in that instance,
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but it builds a profile that shows you that he
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was there. Two thousand he invited unvetted massus Monique gian
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Loney to his palace bedroom for a treatment, then emerged
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naked from the bathroom, coming out like the creep from
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under the sheets. Two thousand and five, Andrew was a
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sex pest and made wildly inappropriate sexual remarks to a
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sports therapist. Emma has revealed in Today's son twenty ten,
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reported to have had his feet massage by a woman
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while watching the King's speech at Jeffrey Epstein's New York mansion.
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I would love to speak to whoever that was as well.
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Twenty nineteen, a stylist claiming to be an ex girlfriend
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revealed to US media how Andrew was particularly fond of
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being massaged by two women at once. Yeah, because one's
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not enough. One professional's not enough. He has so much
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body he needs two sets of hands to give him
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a massage. Give me a fucking break. Already enough with
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this clown. Enough already, well, folks, again, there you have it,
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another episode, another update coming gone, and the profile continues
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to be built for Prince Andrew and the pictures looking grim.
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His five or six surrogates that are out there, they're
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gonna be hard pressed. I'm guessing they might come out
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and say that this was all photoshopped, or this is
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a memory issue, or maybe just another body double. All right,
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that's gonna do it for tonight. I'll be back tomorrow morning, obviously,
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with another morning update in between now and then. There
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is definitely some context episodes coming your away. If you'd
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