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Normally Podcast: Hunter Biden's Pardon · Normally

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Speaker 1: Eighty guys, we are back on normally the show with
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Speaker 1: normal ish takes for when the news gets weird. I
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Speaker 1: am Mary Catherine Ham.
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Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. I'm Mary Catherine. How is your Thanksgiving?
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Speaker 1: You know it was good? Hectic. I went down to
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Speaker 1: the University of Georgia for an eight overtime win over
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Speaker 1: Isacillow Decads. Yeah, I was there from well, we tailgated
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Speaker 1: starting at three and then stayed at the game till
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Speaker 1: midnight plus so, and then I did not party downtown
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Speaker 1: because I don't do that anymore.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a mistake, clearly. At least you got the win, right,
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Speaker 2: The W's all that matters.
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Speaker 1: I have a habit of going to fairly legendary games
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Speaker 1: by accident. I didn't think that was going to be
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Speaker 1: a legendary game, but here we are. So I made
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Speaker 1: it back and now we're in the in our house.
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Speaker 1: We're in the like Christmas March because one once December
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Speaker 1: first hits. Man, we are fully booked.
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Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah. Is your tree up it? Or
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Speaker 2: is long?
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Speaker 1: Is not up? We are working on that for hopefully
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Speaker 1: by Wednesday we'll have that done.
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Speaker 2: All right, send pictures.
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Speaker 1: I will I will.
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Speaker 2: So we come back from the weekend to the news
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Speaker 2: that Joe Biden, in a surprise to absolutely no one,
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Speaker 2: pardoned his son Hunter And he didn't just pardon him
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Speaker 2: of the things that Hunter has been accused of. He
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Speaker 2: has pardoned him a blanket parden for eleven years for
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Speaker 2: crimes we may not even know about yet. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so again, that wasn't a surprise to most people, but
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Speaker 2: some people were shocked. And were you surprised?
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Speaker 1: I was, I guess, yeah, I was not surprised. I
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Speaker 1: think again. I think I've said this before, but self
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Speaker 1: regard is very blinding. And so if you believe that
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Speaker 1: your side is without issues, and you believe and you've
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Speaker 1: talked yourself into the idea that Joe Biden is the
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Speaker 1: avatar of honesty and politics, I suppose you could talk
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Speaker 1: yourself into the idea. He wasn't going to do this,
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Speaker 1: but I just didn't see how that was going to happen.
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Speaker 1: He was at least going to commute the sentence that
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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden got for his crimes, of which he was
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Speaker 1: convicted by a jury, right, and by the way, they
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Speaker 1: weren't made up statutes sort of. Frankenstein in the felonies
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Speaker 1: like Donald Trump's were they were not traditional ones. It
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Speaker 1: was like, because it turns out, Carol, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you know, but if you put like hookers in
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Speaker 1: blow on your deductions for your taxes, like I doesn't
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Speaker 1: like that. They don't like that, they don't like that.
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Speaker 2: I think of you as so like not cursing and
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Speaker 2: hookers and blow.
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Speaker 1: Sorry I went there in the beginning of the podcast.
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Speaker 2: I like it.
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Speaker 1: You sort of have to to talk about Hunter Biden, right, Like,
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Speaker 1: I can't do this thing where I'm just going to
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Speaker 1: pretend that he's something he's not because that's what the
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Speaker 1: Left asks of me, and I'm not going to pretend
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Speaker 1: that I can't see exactly what was going on with
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Speaker 1: Hunter and Joe meddling influence throughout this entire thing, which
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Speaker 1: by the way, doesn't feel like vindication. This date of
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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen is so interestingly exactly the time that he
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Speaker 1: joined Barisma, the Ukrainian energy company, obviously as a renowned
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Speaker 1: Ukrainian energy expert, Hunter Biden, where he got paid ludicrous
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Speaker 1: amounts of money, and we were all saying or yeah,
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Speaker 1: they were all saying, like it feels like there's something
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Speaker 1: weird going on here, and now I think we have
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Speaker 1: our answer that there's definitely something weird.
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: The thing is also all these people who defended him
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Speaker 2: and said he would never pardon his son ever. That's
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Speaker 2: that's what makes our sides so special and unique and different.
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Speaker 2: It's like, just don't love politicians this much. It's not normal.
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Speaker 2: It's not normal to love politicians. I again, have lots
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Speaker 2: of politicians that I, you know, respect or admire or whatever,
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Speaker 2: but I know they're going to do things to annoy
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Speaker 2: me and piss me off and upset me and disappoint me.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just say I was a big Sarah
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Speaker 2: Palin fan. So yeah, I've been on this wild ride.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I understand now. I think that the entire thing
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Speaker 1: is just I occasionally say that I think we're in
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Speaker 1: an abusive relationship, like an emotionally abusive relationship with the
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Speaker 1: press and Democrats. And this is yet another example where
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Speaker 1: the gaslighting is so intense from this guy who's like,
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Speaker 1: you know what, the justice system was used improperly against
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Speaker 1: my son. So I have to first of all, who's
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Speaker 1: justice system is it? You're the deal, Yeah, this is
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Speaker 1: your DOJ right, and then to the extent that it
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Speaker 1: was used improperly on Hunter Biden. It was to excuse
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Speaker 1: his crimes, it was to help him get out of them,
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Speaker 1: to pass the statute of limitations, to shut up people
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Speaker 1: who brought forth information about his crimes. And in the
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Speaker 1: end they got caught in court, the government Joe Biden's
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Speaker 1: DOJ doing a way too generous plea deal that a
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Speaker 1: judge was like, wait, run that by me again, right,
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Speaker 1: And they couldn't get away with it because of this
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Speaker 1: judge who flagged it because they tried to hand Hunter
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Speaker 1: Biden the thing that Joe Biden's been handing him his
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Speaker 1: whole life, which is a take it out of jail
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Speaker 1: free right.
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Speaker 2: So that's actually it's funny. I tweeted today about how
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Speaker 2: this kind of behavior has obviously been nothing but terrible
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Speaker 2: for Hunter Biden, and then I saw that you tweeted
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Speaker 2: something very similar to last night. I'm glad our parenting
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Speaker 2: style of lines. You can't give kids passes their whole
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Speaker 2: entire lives and then expect them to turn out Okay,
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Speaker 2: that's just not how it goes. So I think this
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Speaker 2: is the latest in the pardoning that he's gotten. This
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Speaker 2: one's a little more official than the ones he's gotten
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Speaker 2: his whole entire life from his parents. But it's just
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Speaker 2: a bad way to raise your kids, and you're going
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Speaker 2: to get a bad out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm a little uncomfortable with this line that this
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Speaker 1: is like the love of a father. No more than
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Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable with this is the love of a father,
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Speaker 1: and this is what good parents do. There's plenty to
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Speaker 1: be said for Grace. I know the prodigal Sons her story.
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Speaker 1: But as you say, Carol, the reason he's here is
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Speaker 1: because his father has bailed him out of every bad
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Speaker 1: decision at every turn his entire life, which created a
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Speaker 1: person who needed a presidential pardon. And I reject that
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Speaker 1: that is love that is helpful to your children. Yep,
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Speaker 1: it's just not, you know.
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Speaker 2: Side note to this. Over the weekend story broke that
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Speaker 2: Pete Hecss's mom send him emails while he was going
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Speaker 2: through a divorce, really criticizing his treatment of women, and
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Speaker 2: people are like, well, this is disqualifying. The mom has
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Speaker 2: said that, you know, she basically takes it back and
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Speaker 2: they have a good relationship now and all of that.
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Speaker 2: But that's actually good parenting to me, that is good parenting,
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Speaker 2: saying you are being a little dirt bag and stop that.
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Speaker 2: I think that nothing wrong with that.
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Speaker 1: Not inviting to the state dinner, like that's Hunter's right path,
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Speaker 1: right is like, Oh, you did another insanely bad thing,
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Speaker 1: probably criminal, Why don't you come on down to the
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Speaker 1: state dinner and show off that you're still close with everybody.
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Speaker 1: I do think this business relationship between the two of
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Speaker 1: them and the influence pedaling has been almost thrown in
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Speaker 1: our faces during these four years. And I should note
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Speaker 1: also that this administration started with the widespread censorship and
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Speaker 1: disinformation campaign about Hunter Biden's laptop, which dealt with all
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Speaker 1: of these issues and had evidence for all of the
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Speaker 1: crimes that he's now pardoned of, and then we're bookending
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Speaker 1: it with this pardon for eleven years of whatever crimes
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Speaker 1: could have happened. Yeah, it's dirty, man, It's obviously dirty
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Speaker 1: on its face. It is.
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Speaker 2: And there's definitely still people who want to defend him
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Speaker 2: because he's not Trump. And Nate Silver is getting a
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Speaker 2: lot of hate from other people on the left because
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Speaker 2: he's saying, no, this is not acceptable, and this is
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Speaker 2: not appropriate, and this just shouldn't be done, and all
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Speaker 2: these people are like, oh, Nate Silver sucks now and
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Speaker 2: he's just the worst. Andy Kazinski also is getting a
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Speaker 2: lot of really vile hate because you're saying this is
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Speaker 2: not acceptable and no, you know, I'm glad that they're
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Speaker 2: speaking up and saying that their side has done something wrong,
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Speaker 2: but the avalanche of comments that they're getting saying like
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Speaker 2: you should just defend Joe Biden is not that comforting
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Speaker 2: to me.
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Speaker 1: Also, look what Joe Biden did to your party his
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Speaker 1: insistence on staying in the race. Yeah, partly because he
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Speaker 1: probably sensed that he needed to pardon his son and
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Speaker 1: maybe himself at some point and maybe his brother who else? Right,
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Speaker 1: who else is coming? That destroyed their chances to win
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Speaker 1: this presidential election over Donald Trump. I'm so mad about that.
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Speaker 1: I think so Dave Portnoy, who of Barstool Sports, who
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Speaker 1: endorsed Donald Trump and isn't often super political, but he
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Speaker 1: will jump in on things that annoy him and famously
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Speaker 1: just destroyed a Washington Post reporter who tried to destroy
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Speaker 1: his pizza fest up in New York. He had a
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Speaker 1: clip that I think speaks to what's annoying people like
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Speaker 1: Nate and Andy and people like us. Here's a little
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Speaker 1: bit of him talking about it.
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Speaker 4: Okay, I thought I was done with political rants, but
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Speaker 4: I guess I got one more.
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Speaker 3: This Hunter Biden thing. It's in the news. Everyone's talking
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Speaker 3: about it. Joe Biden after and the Democrats after.
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Speaker 4: Probably saying no less than nine million, four hundred and
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Speaker 4: eighty two times unequivocally that Joe Biden would not pardon
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Speaker 4: Hunter Biden if Trump was elected.
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Speaker 3: But the president would not pardon nor commute sensor his
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Speaker 3: son Hunter if to make sure that that is not
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Speaker 3: the way to Shangefield.
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Speaker 1: The next six months the President's stage were not still
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Speaker 1: an now it's still an al always. Do you know
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Speaker 1: it's still a no. It will be a no. It
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Speaker 1: is a no. And I don't have anything else to add.
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Speaker 1: People he pardoned his son, No.
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Speaker 3: He'd have to go through the jury system. Nobody's loved
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Speaker 3: the law. Blah blah blah. What's he doing? Of course
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Speaker 3: he pardons them. Of course he does know that. It's
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Speaker 3: like for eleven years, so anything he could possibly done
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Speaker 3: in the history of time he has pardoned. For now.
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Speaker 3: I'll start by saying, if if I could do that
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Speaker 3: for a loved one, a family member. I would probably
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Speaker 3: do the same thing. I won't lie about it and
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Speaker 3: be like, yeah, I'm gonna protect my own no shit.
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Speaker 4: If Trump gets elected and they're gonna make Hunter Biden
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Speaker 4: go to court and investigate them all this, yeah I'm
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Speaker 4: gonna protect him.
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Speaker 3: But the Democrats Biden, they didn't do that. They're like, no,
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Speaker 3: what are we crazy? Now?
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Speaker 5: This is the point of this rant, and I've been
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Speaker 5: saying it over and over and over, and why the
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Speaker 5: Democrats got slaughtered in the election because they think they're
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Speaker 5: morally superior to everybody else.
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Speaker 2: That's it, That's really it. I think that people have
11:00
Speaker 2: had enough, and a lot of the wokeness and the
11:02
Speaker 2: cancel stuff really ties into that because they think we
11:06
Speaker 2: are better. We will enforce your behavior, we will enforce
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Speaker 2: your speech and say that you're just not as good
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Speaker 2: as us, and so we have to tell you what
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Speaker 2: to do. So people have had it.
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's bad behavior comes without the lecture, and people
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Speaker 1: that they like that better, Like they don't like being
11:25
Speaker 1: lectured by people who are transparently dishonest jerks, Yeah, who
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Speaker 1: are violating every rule that they say that they're better
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Speaker 1: at observing and one of my favorite responses is this
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Speaker 1: idea that like, and it's animated the entire Trump era.
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Speaker 1: If you're a righteous Democrat or a Republican who's turned
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Speaker 1: into a Democrat because of Trump, your job is to
11:47
Speaker 1: imagine the worst that Trump can do. And honestly, sometimes
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Speaker 1: he gives them rhetorical evidence for this and then use
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Speaker 1: it to justify doing a much worse version of the
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Speaker 1: thing Donald Trump is that he will do or that
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Speaker 1: you think he might. This is bad behavior and I'm
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Speaker 1: really sick of hearing about it from them.
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Speaker 2: That's really it. They just you know, yeah, pretend that
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Speaker 2: he's going to do something, then they do worst that
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Speaker 2: you nailed it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, that's what Russiagate was, Like, I
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Speaker 1: can imagine that Trump would do this dastardly thing. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's create a situation where we bake a bunch of evidence. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: the hunter Biden's laptop is over here being very real. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: while are we told its misinformation? The whole thing is dirty.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be four years of this kind
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Speaker 2: of thing though. They're not going to stop, I don't think. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we will see, we'll see how it goes. But I
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Speaker 2: don't think any lessons have been learned. We've talked about
12:48
Speaker 2: that on here before. I don't see a lot of
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Speaker 2: change or introspection. Like I said, a lot of comments
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Speaker 2: are saying, why aren't we defending Joe Biden from this?
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Speaker 1: So, you know, looking forward to four years of this,
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Speaker 1: I know, I shudder to think what they're cooking up.
13:04
Speaker 1: As they did Russia Gate, I think people are a
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Speaker 1: lot more wary of it. I think, yeah, we've reached
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Speaker 1: the limits of them just being like ew, that's bad. Right,
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Speaker 1: people react to it, and I don't think that's gonna
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Speaker 1: work anymore, like, oh, that's traitorous. Okay, we're gonna we're
13:19
Speaker 1: gonna take a minute to figure out what's actually going
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Speaker 1: on here.
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Speaker 2: I hope you might not be a Russian spy.
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Speaker 1: Yes, my gosh, the number of times I said that
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Speaker 1: on CNN and was looked at like I had a
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Speaker 1: third eyeball. It's like, I don't think you guys are
13:31
Speaker 1: onto a thing here. I don't think this is real.
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Speaker 2: We'll be right back on normally, all right.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of trust and government, Donald Trump has made some
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Speaker 1: more appointments, one of which is quite splashy. Cash Pattel
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Speaker 1: to the head of the FBI. Now, this would have
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Speaker 1: been the only story this week, Carol, had Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: not pardoned this son Hunter Biden. And I bet that
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Speaker 1: the people who are lamenting, who are sort of begrudgingly
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Speaker 1: lamenting Joe Biden doing that, are annoyed that they can't
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Speaker 1: just lambast Cash Btel all day, because now Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: has given Cash Btel and Donald Trump the very reason
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Speaker 1: to say, yeah, we need a skull crusher at the FBI,
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Speaker 1: and this is why he's going there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I have to say that I've been
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Speaker 2: reading up on Cash Hotel. I did not know a
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Speaker 2: lot about him, but a lot of people in my
14:34
Speaker 2: life who I wouldn't imagine would be thrilled about this
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Speaker 2: appointment are very happy about it. Kind of who I
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Speaker 2: consider not moderates, but maybe just like very calm, sane
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Speaker 2: conservatives are saying, this is someone who is very smart
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Speaker 2: and can do a really good job at shaking up
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Speaker 2: an organization that needs it. So, Yeah, I think that
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Speaker 2: it's interesting that they stepped all over the Cash Totel story.
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Speaker 2: It's also interesting this constantly this feeling of like how
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Speaker 2: many of these appointments. Are the Democrats going to be
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Speaker 2: able to persuade Republican senators to vote down? And I
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Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know how many that's going to be.
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Speaker 2: I know that not all the appointments need Senate confirmation,
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Speaker 2: but the ones that do, it's interesting because they can't
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Speaker 2: both them all down, right, that's probably not going to happen.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, I'm open minded. I think the
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Speaker 1: FBI quite obviously has some very big issues with politicization.
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Speaker 1: We've seen it over and over again, and no matter
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Speaker 1: how much Biden gaslights me, I understand what's happening over there,
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Speaker 1: and I do think it needs reform. And so I
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Speaker 1: want to hear from him, and I want him to
15:42
Speaker 1: be asked tough questions and all the things that you
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Speaker 1: do during confirmation. But I think again, we've reached the
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Speaker 1: limit of just the Washington establishment being.
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Speaker 2: Like this person's a clown, We are dying.
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Speaker 1: They don't know. We're not doing that anymore. And cash
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Speaker 1: Hotel can be there to answer questions, he can be vetted. Sure,
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Speaker 1: one thing I do if you think is interesting about this,
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Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know if you saw the mini
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Speaker 1: mini dust up about the Donald Trump admit or transition
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Speaker 1: might not let the FBI vet its candidates, and I
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Speaker 1: maybe we talked about this. You can vet them other ways.
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Speaker 1: Other people can vet them, private entities can invent them.
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Speaker 1: Why would the Trump administration or incoming Trump administration trust
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Speaker 1: the FBI to do this. I literally spied on them
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Speaker 1: last time. Yeah, under false pretenses. So yeah, the inserns
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Speaker 1: are warranted, yes, But Patel was He was a public defender.
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Speaker 1: At one point. He was the chief of staff of
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Speaker 1: the U S Secretary of Defense during the first Trump presidency.
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Speaker 1: He served in the National Security Council and a senior
16:43
Speaker 1: advisor to the acting Director of National Intelligence. So he's got,
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Speaker 1: you know, some things there. He has not been an
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Speaker 1: FBI agent, which is traditionally the path. But again, I
16:55
Speaker 1: don't think people are looking for traditional paths right from
16:58
Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: Yep, they're done with that. They're done with like this
17:01
Speaker 2: is the guy who's next in line, so he has
17:03
Speaker 2: to take this role. I think that they've seen some
17:06
Speaker 2: really bad things from those bureaucrats, so everybody expects to
17:10
Speaker 2: take the position in the last four years, and I
17:13
Speaker 2: don't know, I think they elected Donald Trump to not
17:15
Speaker 2: be that guy, and he's very much not being that guy.
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Speaker 1: And they're also going to have a little tizzy. So
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Speaker 1: it just should preview it over the idea that Chris Ray,
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Speaker 1: who is the current FBI director, he either has to
17:28
Speaker 1: resign or be fired.
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Speaker 2: He's going to be hired.
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Speaker 1: I think it's and like Trump might end up having
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Speaker 1: to fire him. And I just want to assure everyone that, yes,
17:36
Speaker 1: the FBI director has a ten year term. It was
17:39
Speaker 1: put in in order to prevent the hooverism of the FBI,
17:43
Speaker 1: so that someone serves for a long time. It's supposed
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Speaker 1: to it's supposed to detach you from politicization. Yet I
17:48
Speaker 1: think we see that that maybe didn't work out great.
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Speaker 1: And the president has a right to appoint people. That's
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Speaker 1: what happens when you get elected. Chris Ray was not elected,
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Speaker 1: that's right, but Donald Trump was. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So since our last episode, there's been a bunch of nominations,
18:04
Speaker 2: and I think the one that we were really excited about,
18:07
Speaker 2: though we haven't discussed don here yet, I think we
18:09
Speaker 2: were hoping. But Jay Badashara is going to the NIH
18:13
Speaker 2: and that's just huge. It's really karma in action. But
18:16
Speaker 2: also he's just such a fantastic guy, and I think
18:19
Speaker 2: he's going to do so great there. I think he
18:21
Speaker 2: will bring trust back to an organization that desperately needs it.
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Speaker 2: You know, I think that that's probably I mean, I
18:27
Speaker 2: think you tweeted it. It's your favorite pick. I think
18:29
Speaker 2: it's you know, top three of mine as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very excited. It's poetic for him to go
18:35
Speaker 1: to the organization who's head at the time, Francis Collins
18:39
Speaker 1: and in a concert with Anthony Fauci, worked to smear
18:43
Speaker 1: him publicly for being part of the Great Barrington Declaration.
18:46
Speaker 1: And the Great Barrington Declaration was just like a very
18:48
Speaker 1: simple truth speaking idea that was like, hey, I think
18:52
Speaker 1: we'd be better off if we didn't deprive a bunch
18:54
Speaker 1: of Americans of their freedom and focused our protection on
18:58
Speaker 1: older people who are more vulnerable to this disease.
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Speaker 2: All right, things are part super Saiyane right now. To
19:04
Speaker 2: everybody except Taylor Lorenz. Pretty much, she's a for those
19:08
Speaker 2: who don't know, the Washington Post columnist who's tweeted today
19:12
Speaker 2: that she's spending thousands of dollars on a book party
19:14
Speaker 2: to keep it COVID safe. In December twenty twenty four
19:18
Speaker 2: you got tests to go, Yeah, you got it, and
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Speaker 2: the rest of us are just what did she say,
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Speaker 2: like willy nilly breathing the air. I don't remember the
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Speaker 2: exact language, but it was something like that.
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Speaker 1: It was dirtier than that. But I've already gone dirty
19:30
Speaker 1: once in this podcast, so I won't do it again. No,
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Speaker 1: I'm excited to see him there. He's the kind of
19:35
Speaker 1: reformer that I appreciate. He's less of a bomb thrower.
19:39
Speaker 1: He's a very smart, respected person. He's sort of astoundingly
19:43
Speaker 1: mild mannered for what he went through. He's been like
19:45
Speaker 1: sort of unfailingly kind to his critics, which I know
19:49
Speaker 1: is like sometimes not the thing that my mega friends
19:52
Speaker 1: are looking for, but amazing.
19:54
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think sometimes you need to lay
19:57
Speaker 2: the back down, but he is. I like that he
19:59
Speaker 2: does it in a very thoughtful, calm manner.
20:02
Speaker 1: He does still lay this back down.
20:04
Speaker 2: It's just not you know, he doesn't curse or anything.
20:07
Speaker 1: But like, if you're if you're if you're building my
20:09
Speaker 1: kind of reformer ideal, that's more in line with it
20:14
Speaker 1: than a cashptel. Although I am, as I said, open
20:16
Speaker 1: minded to hear from it. So so the other.
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Speaker 2: Pick that I don't know. I'm kind of mixed on
20:21
Speaker 2: this one, but Chad Kronister for head of the DEA
20:25
Speaker 2: and the way the reason I'm mixed on it is
20:26
Speaker 2: because Ron DeSantis came out and defended him, and I,
20:29
Speaker 2: you know, generally trust Ron de Santis, but like I
20:32
Speaker 2: said earlier in the episode, I don't love politicians and
20:35
Speaker 2: they make mistakes sometime. Connistuur is known for he arrested
20:39
Speaker 2: a pasture during the COVID, you know, the beginning of COVID,
20:43
Speaker 2: and I just think, you know, unless you've apologized, unless
20:47
Speaker 2: you have you know, had some sort of like awakening
20:51
Speaker 2: where you realize that what you did was really wrong,
20:53
Speaker 2: and if you have that, I'd like to hear about that.
20:56
Speaker 2: I just I kind of don't have a lot of
20:58
Speaker 2: grace for those people again unless they apologize and see
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Speaker 2: what they did wrong and are contrite about it. But
21:03
Speaker 2: if you're arresting a pastor, I just don't want to
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Speaker 2: see you achieve, you know, further prominence in any role.
21:10
Speaker 1: Really yeah, to me, the COVID bad behavior and like
21:14
Speaker 1: depriving people there's civil liberties over an infectious disease is
21:18
Speaker 1: a signal yep, that under even mild to medium pressure,
21:23
Speaker 1: you might be willing to do the same again, and
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Speaker 1: you need to repent before I believe that you might
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Speaker 1: not do that.
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Speaker 2: That's really it. So I don't know why DeSantis. I
21:32
Speaker 2: think maybe they have a good working personal relationship or whatever.
21:35
Speaker 1: He's a sheriff in ways in Florida, but.
21:38
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly where. But apparently has been kind
21:42
Speaker 2: of helpful to DeSantis in other ways when they got
21:44
Speaker 2: rid of the Soros back prosecutor. But nevertheless, I am
21:50
Speaker 2: not as forgiving, so or again I am as forgiving
21:53
Speaker 2: I am, but let me hear some contrash.
21:56
Speaker 1: You got to have remorse.
21:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm a talk forgiveness. Right, going
22:00
Speaker 2: to take a short break and come right back with normally.
22:06
Speaker 1: Shall we talk about the dating scene?
22:08
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let's talk about the dating scene? Sorry happened?
22:11
Speaker 2: Whose fault was it that Trump got elected?
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you know, it's the men's fault. It's
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Speaker 1: always the men's fault, Carol. And as a podcast of
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Speaker 1: ladies that is nonetheless a fan of men.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we like the men.
22:24
Speaker 1: We did want to talk about this. This is a
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Speaker 1: New York Times opinion piece how our messed up dating
22:28
Speaker 1: culture leads to loneliness, anger, and Donald Trump. Sarah Burnstein
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Speaker 1: is the author. It's very long, by the way, but
22:35
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the thesis at the beginning.
22:37
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan elon Musk representatives of pro culture are on
22:41
Speaker 1: the ascent, bringing with them an army of disaffected young men.
22:45
Speaker 1: But where did they come from? Many argue that a
22:47
Speaker 1: generation of men are resentful because they have fallen behind
22:49
Speaker 1: women in work, in school. I believe this shift would
22:52
Speaker 1: not have been so destabilizing were it not for the
22:54
Speaker 1: fact that our society still has one glass slippered foot
22:58
Speaker 1: in the world of Cinderella, by which she means that
23:01
Speaker 1: men men are falling behind on all of these metrics.
23:04
Speaker 1: And she does lay that out educational attainment, their general
23:07
Speaker 1: happiness in life, the economic opportunities for them, and yet
23:11
Speaker 1: our culture does nothing but girl power. She's saying, the
23:14
Speaker 1: real problem is that women haven't let go of their
23:17
Speaker 1: desire to date a more successful man and marry a
23:20
Speaker 1: more successful man.
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Speaker 2: Right, So I actually read this article as she's blaming women.
23:24
Speaker 2: I know it's supposed to be a pro woman article,
23:26
Speaker 2: but she ends up arguing that women should lower their standards.
23:29
Speaker 2: I don't know. She writes that women should quote let
23:32
Speaker 2: go of the male breadwinner norm. I mean, you know
23:35
Speaker 2: who would be thrilled with that? Men? Men would be thrilled.
23:38
Speaker 2: You know, the idea that men are like just dying
23:41
Speaker 2: to like support and to be the sole breadwinner. It's
23:44
Speaker 2: just come on, it's just not true.
23:47
Speaker 1: Well, and I think part of the part of the
23:51
Speaker 1: issue with Democrats is that throughout this campaign they revealed,
23:55
Speaker 1: and for throughout the last ten years, they revealed that
23:57
Speaker 1: they don't much care for men. So she's like going
24:01
Speaker 1: on this long journey to explain why men didn't vote
24:06
Speaker 1: for Kamala Harris really, because that's like her actual concern
24:10
Speaker 1: is that they get in line and do that. But
24:12
Speaker 1: if you tell them that you don't like them over
24:14
Speaker 1: and over again and that they're toxic and they're the
24:16
Speaker 1: problem with everything, they don't want to hang out with you.
24:20
Speaker 1: I don't understand why they have trouble understanding that.
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Speaker 2: It's also funny that she opens it with Elon Musk
24:27
Speaker 2: and Joe Rogan, two extremely like wildly beyond all measure
24:32
Speaker 2: successful men, only to then talk about men who don't
24:35
Speaker 2: succeed It's like, make the connection for me, just that
24:37
Speaker 2: they're men, that's.
24:38
Speaker 1: It, Like, yeah, you know, so they're just they're just
24:41
Speaker 1: like I mean, that's part of it is that they
24:43
Speaker 1: are just a picture of things. She vaguely doesn't like,
24:48
Speaker 1: right because actually Elon Musk and Joe Rogan are quite
24:51
Speaker 1: different people, hugely different people in hugely different fields. But
24:55
Speaker 1: she's like ew.
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Speaker 2: Right, yeah yeah, And then she's like and these these
25:00
Speaker 2: men also, yeah, they count bone gpt on X, which
25:04
Speaker 2: is where I saw the story in the first place,
25:05
Speaker 2: points out that the article basically does blame women for
25:08
Speaker 2: Trump's selection, and he says, quote, is women cause Donald
25:11
Speaker 2: Trump to happen by doing too well after getting rights
25:14
Speaker 2: and still demanding marry up? And this is the New
25:18
Speaker 2: York Times. Like she thinks she's making a pro woman
25:21
Speaker 2: argument here. I just don't see it.
25:23
Speaker 1: And I also love the idea that women have succeeded more.
25:27
Speaker 1: We shouldn't make sure that men have equal opportunities. We
25:32
Speaker 1: should just get women to go. I guess I'll just
25:35
Speaker 1: throw my hands up and marry whomever right well, because
25:39
Speaker 1: it makes them itch to think about doing anything to
25:43
Speaker 1: make sure that men succeed. They don't like that idea
25:47
Speaker 1: at all.
25:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not the solution, Mary Catherine.
25:51
Speaker 3: No.
25:51
Speaker 1: By the way, one of the things that I keep
25:53
Speaker 1: telling liberal friends who might be concerned about the young
25:56
Speaker 1: men and the fact that they went right, is if
25:59
Speaker 1: indeed we have an entire generation of disaffected young men,
26:03
Speaker 1: who whose adolescence or early adulthood was destroyed by COVID insanity,
26:09
Speaker 1: who spend a lot of time online, who are maybe
26:11
Speaker 1: a little bit underemployed, who didn't go to college, all
26:14
Speaker 1: these things that might lead them not to be engaged
26:17
Speaker 1: in society. If they remain disengaged, that's bad for all
26:21
Speaker 1: of us. You know what's good for us If they
26:24
Speaker 1: make their disaffection known by voting for a candidate free election.
26:31
Speaker 1: That is an extremely healthy way. Yeah, like, I think
26:37
Speaker 1: I think we're actually on the right track. But because
26:39
Speaker 1: they didn't engage by voting for Kamala Harris, right, still
26:44
Speaker 1: scary and bad. Yeah.
26:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's really something that The New York Times
26:51
Speaker 2: has now decided that women need to just settle and,
26:55
Speaker 2: you know, marry one of these losers and make them
26:57
Speaker 2: vote for the right person next side.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like such a bad recipe for both the
27:03
Speaker 1: women and the man, like exact that, Yeah, letting go
27:06
Speaker 1: of the male breadwinner norm is not an instant fixed
27:09
Speaker 1: for our culture, but we can't move forward without that step.
27:12
Speaker 1: After all, breadwinner is not only a limiting identity, it's
27:15
Speaker 1: also a relative one. If we don't release men from
27:17
Speaker 1: the expectation, any plan to help them regain lost ground
27:20
Speaker 1: will have to also ensure that women never catch up.
27:23
Speaker 2: And then then there was the line in there that
27:25
Speaker 2: was like, men are only comfortable, according to studies when
27:28
Speaker 2: a woman makes forty percent of what they make. And
27:31
Speaker 2: my husband sent me that and was like, I can
27:33
Speaker 2: put aside my pride and you could make two hundred
27:36
Speaker 2: percent of what I make.
27:37
Speaker 1: I'll be happy to study aside. Also, I do. I
27:41
Speaker 1: think the idea that the New York Times can't engage
27:45
Speaker 1: with is that it might be okay for women to
27:50
Speaker 1: want someone who's more successful, That they might want to
27:54
Speaker 1: not be in a traditional working role, That they might
27:57
Speaker 1: want to have what they're doing at home supported by
28:01
Speaker 1: someone who is capable of breadwinning. Like a lot of
28:04
Speaker 1: people want that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't go there, obviously, that would be a
28:09
Speaker 2: bridge too far. No, they're gonna get instead, they're gonna
28:12
Speaker 2: concoct this whole other society.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a pathology that you might have a
28:17
Speaker 1: dude out making money and his wife at home taking
28:20
Speaker 1: care of the house. I don't, I know, wild and crazy.
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