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GLAM YOGA TEACHER ON TRIAL NOW IN LOVE MURDER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grease, the so.
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Speaker 2: Called glam yoga teacher is in court the trial of
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Speaker 2: Kaylin Armstrong starting now, and I mean right now. Can
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Speaker 2: the yoga teacher now charged with murder of her love rival,
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Speaker 2: a world class, beautiful female biking star. But can Kaylen
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Speaker 2: Armstrong charm the jury the way she has charmed so
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Speaker 2: many others, including her own jailers. She tricked them into
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Speaker 2: taking her to a fake medical appointment, where she then escaped.
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Speaker 3: And it ain't the first time. Remember her hiding out.
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Speaker 2: In Costa Rica after she got in a makeover, including
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Speaker 2: a nose job, to somehow elude authorities.
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Speaker 3: Well, the US Marshals were onto that.
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Speaker 2: Finally in a court of law, and you know who's
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Speaker 2: getting lost in the sauce, Seemingly outshined.
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Speaker 3: By her glam moe.
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Speaker 2: Mariah, a young girl in her twenties, wants nothing more
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Speaker 2: than to ride her bike and get one trophy after
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Speaker 2: the next, after the next, after the next. Her parents
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Speaker 2: so proud this girl. Mariah Wilson, a world class dirt
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Speaker 2: bike champion, gunned down, chased through a house, cornered in
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Speaker 2: a bathroom, and shot multiple times. Why, According to prosecutors,
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Speaker 2: because she dared to have a meal with Kaitlin Armstrong's
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Speaker 2: cheating boyfriend.
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Speaker 3: I'm easy, Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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Speaker 2: and series six sem one eleven. Oh yes, there's twelve
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Speaker 2: in the box. That means the jury has been selected.
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Speaker 2: And I guarantee you that at this very minute they
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Speaker 2: are eyeballing the so called glam yoga instructor Caitlin Armstrong.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen to this. Detective Richard Spiller, Austin p D.
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Speaker 4: On May eleventh, twenty twenty two, at approximately nine to
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Speaker 4: fifty six pm, Austin Police officers responded to a check
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Speaker 4: welfare urgent call at seventeen oh eight Maple Avenue in Austin.
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Speaker 4: Upon their arrival, they found the resident of seventeen oh
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Speaker 4: eight Maple Avenue performing CPR on a female. That female
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Speaker 4: was Anna Wilson. Despite the life saving efforts, Anna Wilson
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Speaker 4: was pronounced de cease at ten ten pm. The preliminary
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Speaker 4: investigation revealed that Anna Wilson, a cyclist, was visiting Austin
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Speaker 4: and staying with her friend on her way to the
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Speaker 4: Dallas area.
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Speaker 2: For a race, just simply minding her own business with
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Speaker 2: me joining us live from the courthouse. Tony Plohetski, investigative
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Speaker 2: reporter with the Austin American Statesman and kV UE.
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Speaker 3: Tony is great to be talking to you. Tell me
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Speaker 3: the scuttle button the courthouse.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 6: Opening statements, as you mentioned, begin any minute now, And Nancy,
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Speaker 6: the big question going into those opening statements is that
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Speaker 6: this could likely be the first time we hear any
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Speaker 6: kind of defense that is lodged by Caitlin Armstrong's defense attorneys.
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Speaker 6: What will they say, How will they defend her against
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Speaker 6: what police and prosecutors have described as this mountain of evidence.
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Speaker 6: So really, all ears and all eyes are going to
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Speaker 6: be on her voluminous, might I add defense team this morning?
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Speaker 2: You know, I've seen her and just recently, and she
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Speaker 2: does not look the same way she did at the time,
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Speaker 2: but she's still a beautiful woman. You know how hard
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Speaker 2: it is to get a conviction on a female in
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Speaker 2: this country, because when you see not me, but mini gars,
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Speaker 2: when they see a woman sitting at the council table
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Speaker 2: accused of the crime, they think, oh, she reminds me
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Speaker 2: of my mom.
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Speaker 3: My mom could never do anything like this.
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Speaker 2: So she reminds me of my little sister, or she
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Speaker 2: reminds me of my very first girlfriend in high school.
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Speaker 2: Alan Bennett joining me, a high profile lawyer now partner
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Speaker 2: at Gunter Bennett and Anthus.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Alan, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Right or wrong.
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Speaker 2: It's much harder to get a conviction, much less for
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Speaker 2: murder on a woman.
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Speaker 7: I think you're correct, miss Grace. In fact, I think
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Speaker 7: we have all been somewhat aware of that ever since
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Speaker 7: Lizzie Borden walked out of the courtroom a free woman
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Speaker 7: years and years ago.
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Speaker 3: That was before my time, I think.
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Speaker 7: But go ahead, mine too, but maybe not by a
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Speaker 7: whole lot.
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Speaker 2: Guys, he's talking about Lizzie Borden, took an ask, gave
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Speaker 2: her parents how many wax forty?
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Jackie the legal scholar over here in the corner.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, but you know, the Lizzie Bourdon escaping
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Speaker 2: justice kind of escaped from my mind.
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Speaker 3: Why is it so hard to get a conviction on
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Speaker 3: a woman?
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Speaker 2: I've gotten them, don't worry about that, but it is harder.
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Speaker 7: I think you're right, missus Grayson. Again, I'm not sure
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Speaker 7: that I quit myself understand the psychological or implications of
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Speaker 7: all that or what the mindset is of jurors.
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Speaker 5: But you are right.
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Speaker 7: I think women, and I hate to sound sexist, but
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Speaker 7: I think women and other members of society enjoy a
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Speaker 7: certain presumption of innocence, maybe in our minds, above and
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Speaker 7: beyond the standard presumption of innocence that we all enjoy.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're right, but just so you know, Alan Bennett,
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Speaker 2: when somebody says no offense, that means they're about to offend.
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Speaker 2: And when you say not to be sexist, that means
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Speaker 2: you are about to be sexist. But I'm sitting here
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Speaker 2: agreeing with you in the sense that it's harder to
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Speaker 2: get a conviction on a woman.
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Speaker 3: You got this one right here.
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Speaker 2: Caitlin Armstrong is so called Graham yo getting strung, also
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Speaker 2: called the killer yoga instructor. She's pretty and she can
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Speaker 2: be very, very charming and come across very meek and mild.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Doctor Bethany joining.
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Speaker 2: Me, Doctor Bethany Marshall, who was a renowned psycho analyst,
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Speaker 2: joining us out of Beverly Hills. Doctor Bethany, thank you
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Speaker 2: for making time between all of your clients that are
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Speaker 2: complaining of whining about the prices.
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Speaker 3: There on Rodeo drive.
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Speaker 2: You know that spells rodeo right, that said, go ahead
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Speaker 2: hit me.
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Speaker 8: You know, I think certain people are in a protected
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Speaker 8: class in our society. Women, especially beautiful women, White women
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Speaker 8: are in a protected class. Old white men are in
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Speaker 8: a protected class. Look that we look at politics, they're
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Speaker 8: older white men. I mean, we agree societally that some
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Speaker 8: people are special and privileged and that we're not going
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Speaker 8: to punish them for anything. And then there are other
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Speaker 8: people that are punished endlessly, people in lower socio economic.
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Speaker 5: Lives.
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Speaker 8: They are punished endlessly for crimed.
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Speaker 3: Can we get back to murder?
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Speaker 2: Can we get back to someone chasing Mariah Moe Wilson
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Speaker 2: just twenty five years old, that's not that much older
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Speaker 2: than my twins. They're about to turn sixteen, chasing her
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Speaker 2: through the house, cornering her in a bathroom where there's
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Speaker 2: no escape, and shooting her multiple times.
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Speaker 3: That's what we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: You know what, I've got a very old and endearing saying,
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Speaker 2: we never curse around the children ever, but we do
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Speaker 2: allow this one bit of wisdom. Screw her and the
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Speaker 2: horse she rode in on, chasing a twenty five year
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Speaker 2: old girl through the house, trapping her in the bathroom
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Speaker 2: and shooting her multiple times because she had what launch
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Speaker 2: with Kaylin Armstrong's cheating boyfriend, now cheating in the sense
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Speaker 2: that he went out.
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Speaker 3: To lunch with an old flame.
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Speaker 2: Nobody said they had sex, nobody said they slept together,
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Speaker 2: nothing like that. But he did lie to Caitlin arms
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Speaker 2: talking about where it was where he was, and she
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Speaker 2: found out. She didn't take it out on him.
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Speaker 3: She murdered mo Mariah Wilson.
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Speaker 2: How proud do you think her parents were of her?
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Speaker 2: Their baby girl was a world class dirt bike competitor.
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Speaker 2: She competed all around the world and she won. And
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Speaker 2: now this, okay, isn't it true? Joe Scott Morgan with me,
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. And when
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Speaker 2: I say professor forensics, you ought to see their world
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Speaker 2: class criminal justice program they've got going on at Jacksonville
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Speaker 2: State University. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet, star of
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Speaker 2: a hit series Body Bags. Joe Scott hit me with
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Speaker 2: the evidence to hay all this. She's beautiful, She's going
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Speaker 2: to escape, just as she had a noose jobs she
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Speaker 2: bleaches her hair, don't care I don't care how beautiful
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Speaker 2: she is. I care about the bullet ridden body of Mote, twenty.
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Speaker 3: Five years old. What facts support my theory.
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Speaker 9: The fact that with Armstrong they found the weapon that
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Speaker 9: she actually owns. It's a six hour Nancy, nine millimeters pistol.
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Speaker 9: They actually found it in her home after she had
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Speaker 9: retreated from this event initially. But here's going to be
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Speaker 9: the biggest tell here. They did recover we know at least,
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Speaker 9: and this will probably be revealed at trial, but we
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Speaker 9: know that they recovered casings, the spent casings out of
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Speaker 9: the semi automatic weapon.
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Speaker 3: Hey emphasis on plural casings.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, casing. She shot multiple times. And this is the
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Speaker 9: thing about it. You kind of led into this just
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Speaker 9: a few moments ago, Nancy, This poor young lady was
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Speaker 9: actually cornered in a bathroom.
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Speaker 2: How does your son, he is twenty two, think about it,
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Speaker 2: getting chased through a house and your son cowering in
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Speaker 2: a bathroom. You know, the last place you try to
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Speaker 2: lock the door, but that doesn't protect you. She gets
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Speaker 2: in with a gun. Can you even imagine?
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Speaker 3: Go ahead?
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Speaker 9: She's trapped in this environment. There's nowhere to go. I mean,
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Speaker 9: all you got to do is look at your own
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Speaker 9: bathroom at home. If you do have a window's probably
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Speaker 9: not big enough to get out of. But you know,
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Speaker 9: when you've got somebody bearing down on you who you know,
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Speaker 9: by her own admission and action, she's an athlete as well.
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Speaker 9: Certainly not at the level of mode, but you know.
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Speaker 9: And then she comes armed, and at this point in time,
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Speaker 9: she's leaving behind these casings that eject out of this
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Speaker 9: weapon multiple and they'll be able to do kind of
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Speaker 9: a generalized match through ballistics. On the casings themselves, they
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Speaker 9: leave little marks. The housing of this weapon leaves little
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Speaker 9: marks on the side, that's all.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the extraction mark.
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Speaker 2: When you shoot a gun, the casing jumps out of
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Speaker 2: the gun, but it leaves a mark on it. And
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Speaker 2: that's how they got the Purp, the alleged purp in Delphi.
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Speaker 3: He cycled a bullet through the gun. He never fired it.
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Speaker 9: He racked the slide. Yeah, he racked the slide back
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Speaker 9: and ejected that live realm.
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Speaker 2: And that one ejection mark on the casing matches up
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Speaker 2: to his gun in his home.
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Speaker 3: Now, that's the Delfi case.
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Speaker 2: And what a lot of people don't know, ballistics are
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Speaker 2: like a fingerprint Joe Scott Morgan. As you well know,
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Speaker 2: I've done it myself. At the crime lab, you get
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Speaker 2: your known bullet, which would be the bullet out of
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Speaker 2: Mariah's body, or the bullet that went.
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Speaker 3: Through her body.
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Speaker 2: It's lying on the bathroom floor, maybe it's lodged in
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Speaker 2: the wall. Carefully, you get it out with plyers or tweezers.
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Speaker 2: You take it to the crime lab. You get what
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Speaker 2: you believe is your murder weapon. You put a bullet
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Speaker 2: in it. You shoot it into a tub of water
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Speaker 2: or you know, a bunch of pillows, whatever your crime
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Speaker 2: lab uses to absorb the bullet. You get that bullet out,
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Speaker 2: You put them aside each other under a microscope, and
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Speaker 2: it is as clear as a bell.
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Speaker 3: It's called striation marks.
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Speaker 2: As that bullet hurdles down the barrel of a gun,
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Speaker 2: the inside of that gun is like a fingerprint, the
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Speaker 2: way that the metal dried and cool down when the
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Speaker 2: gun was made. There's only one gun with those little
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Speaker 2: bubbles and markings inside, and those little irregularities.
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Speaker 3: Leave only one of a kind.
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Speaker 2: Striation or markings itched on the bullet as it hurtles
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Speaker 2: through so quickly, so you get the two bullets and
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Speaker 2: you turn them around and look and you'll see the
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Speaker 2: same wiggles and grooves on both bullets, and it bam
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Speaker 2: is a match and that's your murder weapon.
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Speaker 3: That's how they do it.
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Speaker 9: You're absolutely right, Nancy, And that weapon is going to
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Speaker 9: be unique to her in the sense that have been
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Speaker 9: five ten other weapons that were made exactly like that
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Speaker 9: on that particular day at that factory. But however she
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Speaker 9: has treated that weapon in life, how many times it's
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Speaker 9: been fired, What type of ammunition makes those markings unique
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Speaker 9: to that weapon. The one thing that we will not
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Speaker 9: have in this case is going to be any gunshot
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Speaker 9: residue on her. Remember there was a big lapse of
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Speaker 9: tom So that's that's kind of to their deficit. I think,
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Speaker 9: hold on, hold on.
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Speaker 2: We shoot a gun, a fine misted expels of gun
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Speaker 2: shot powder, and it's so fine you really don't even
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Speaker 2: see it. Like on the cartoon you see a puff
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Speaker 2: of smoke come up. You don't see it in real life.
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Speaker 2: But as many people compare, it's like taking a powder puffing,
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Speaker 2: going poof and the powder dissolves in the air. It's
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Speaker 2: just that fine or finer. And when a person's hand
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Speaker 2: that has just.
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Speaker 3: Fired a gun.
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Speaker 2: They don't even know it, but their hand about thirty
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Speaker 2: six inches of their arm, maybe even on their clothes
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Speaker 2: can have that very fine gunshot residue on them. And
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Speaker 2: what Joe Scott is saying and regular people talk is
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Speaker 2: that all you have to do is this and you
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Speaker 2: get rid of it, just like baby powder, wash your hands,
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Speaker 2: rub them on something.
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Speaker 3: It's gone.
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Speaker 9: And they didn't.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Caitlin Armstrong in time to do a sufficient
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Speaker 2: GSR gunshot residue test.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, we're screwed on that.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grease, I want.
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Speaker 2: To understand the facts that show that Mariah was chased
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Speaker 2: through the house. Hey, hey, Tony Plaheenski. The crime scene
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Speaker 2: is a friend's home. Mariah was staying at a friend's
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Speaker 2: home while she was there competing. Tell me about that neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: What do we know about that house?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so's a house in East Austin, a well known
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Speaker 6: gentrified area of our city. Nancy is where many young
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Speaker 6: people live in our city. And I think one thing
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Speaker 6: that is also so signature to this case, in this
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Speaker 6: investigation is that Kitlyn Armstrong's Jeep SUV. In addition to
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Speaker 6: the ballistics testing and results that we've been talking about.
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Speaker 6: Police and prosecutors first got on to Caitlyn Armstrong as
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Speaker 6: a suspect because they saw her Jeep SUV stalking that
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Speaker 6: area around the exact same time.
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Speaker 3: You are so right, Tony Plahetski. You know, for a
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Speaker 3: lot of us, you see one cheap go by, You've
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Speaker 3: seen them all.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to ourka d as in Delta from
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Speaker 2: crime Online.
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Speaker 10: As the Austin Police Department investigate, they reach out to
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Speaker 10: neighbors asking for surveillance video. A neighbor's camera pointed at
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Speaker 10: the driveway of the home where Wilson was staying, showed
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Speaker 10: a black Jeep Grand Cherokee drive past the house just
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Speaker 10: one minute after Wilson went inside. In the meantime, police
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Speaker 10: reach out to Colin Strickland, who agrees to an interview
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Speaker 10: at his home. When police arrive, they see a black
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Speaker 10: Jeep Grand Cherokee in the driveway, the same one seen
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Speaker 10: in the surveillance video.
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Speaker 2: M hmm, the same one in a surveillance libty O.
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Speaker 2: Now listen to our cup one fifty three B brother.
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Speaker 2: It's the Austin Police Department. Detective Richard Spiller.
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Speaker 4: Our investigation shows that before her death, Wilson was in
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Speaker 4: the company of Colin Strickland. The preliminary investigation revealed that
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Speaker 4: Colin dropped Wilson off at seventeen oh eight Maple Avenue
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Speaker 4: at approximately eight thirty six pm. Investigators obtained ring camera
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Speaker 4: video from the neighborhood that captured a vehicle at seventeen
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Speaker 4: oh eight Maple Avenue within two minutes of the time
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Speaker 4: Colin dropped off Wilson. It was later discovered that vehicle
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Speaker 4: was registered to Colin's girlfriend, Caitlin Armstrong.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I love the DMV. They're so
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Speaker 2: department motor vehicles.
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Speaker 3: They're so maligned, they're so mistreated, they always get a
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Speaker 3: bad rap. You know what.
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Speaker 2: DMV has helped me solve so in many cases. And
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Speaker 2: guess what, it also helped solve the Idaho for slight
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Speaker 2: because Brian Coburger was driving around in his white Elantra
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Speaker 2: and the moment white Elantra is put out there to campus,
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Speaker 2: cops start digging through all the white Elantras that are
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Speaker 2: registered to where he was going to school, and they
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Speaker 2: find his name, his apartment number they go by, they
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Speaker 2: see that tag number, they immediately log it back to
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Speaker 2: Brian Coburger. They find out everything they can about him,
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Speaker 2: and that's how the case really got cracked open at
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Speaker 2: the get go tell me about it, Tony Plahetski, what
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Speaker 2: does the surveillance video show? And then to Bethany Marsha
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Speaker 2: because I got a whopper for you. Go ahead, Tony,
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Speaker 2: tell me about the black vehicle circling the crime scene.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it was around that same time, around eight
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Speaker 6: thirty at night. And the way it happened is that
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Speaker 6: police as the.
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Speaker 3: Okay, wait a minute, eight thirty.
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Speaker 2: Mariah and the armstrong boyfriend, Colin Strickland, they were home
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Speaker 2: by eight thirty.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 6: It was an early and early night. I mean they
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Speaker 6: had gone swimming ad at a pool, a well known
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Speaker 6: municipal pool here in Austin called Deep Betty Nancy. From
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Speaker 6: that pool up the hill, there's a restaurant that they
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Speaker 6: went to. They grabbed a couple of burgers and then
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Speaker 6: and then they called it a night.
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Speaker 2: So there's no sleeping around, shacking up at a motel,
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Speaker 2: nothing like that, No clubbing, no drinking. They go swimming,
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Speaker 2: they get a burger and he drops her off and
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Speaker 2: she gets murdered over.
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Speaker 6: That we know through video and the use of of
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Speaker 6: DMV video. Police say that they were able to rule
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Speaker 6: out Colin Strickland as a suspect because he did exactly
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Speaker 6: what he told police he did. He dropped Mo Wilson off.
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Speaker 3: I don't even know.
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Speaker 2: If I would call this cheating, doctor bethank That's another
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Speaker 2: thing for me to ask you, because as I've always
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Speaker 2: said my whole life, I will have lunch or dance
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Speaker 2: with anybody, don't care. I would not classify this necessarily
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Speaker 2: as cheating, although he did lie to Caitlin Armstrong about it.
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Speaker 2: I don't even know if this rises to cheating. But
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Speaker 2: go ahead, Tony Plask. I've got to set the table
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Speaker 2: for doctor Bethany. And trust me, she only uses silver
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Speaker 2: and fine china. So give me all the facts.
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Speaker 6: So they pretty quickly dismissed Colin Strickland as a suspect,
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Speaker 6: and then they see the police within twenty four hours
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Speaker 6: are knocking on every neighbor's door and one of the says, hey,
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Speaker 6: I've got this green camera video. They are able to
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Speaker 6: distinguish some unique characteristics of this cheap suv, including by
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Speaker 6: the way, a bicycle rap on the back. And then
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Speaker 6: another neighbor suggests that he saw someone leaving the home
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Speaker 6: around the time of the murder and possibly pushing a bike,
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Speaker 6: and that bike was later found kind of hidden in
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Speaker 6: some bushes. So the police formed this theory that whoever
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Speaker 6: killed Mariah Wilson then meant to do something with the bike,
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Speaker 6: either either in an act of vengeance or to possibly
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Speaker 6: even make it look like some sort of of burglary.
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Speaker 3: Wow, that's a lot of information. Tony Plohetski.
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Speaker 2: Guys, Tonny Plahetski joining me at the courthouse right now.
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Speaker 2: Investigative reporter Austin American Statesman also with kV u E
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Speaker 2: and dare I suggest a longtime friend and colleague, Okay,
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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany and IRV Brandt renowned US Marshall traveled all
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Speaker 2: over the world catching criminals.
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Speaker 3: I'm getting to you.
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Speaker 2: You know where I'm going, Uh, Doctor Bethany, really Mariah
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Speaker 2: is dead over this well?
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 8: One of the criteria for borderline sociopathic personality, which.
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Speaker 3: Oh, here you go, is.
21:23
Speaker 8: Rage in response to perceived slights and injuries.
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Speaker 3: Perceived slight injuries. I'm just writing this down.
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Speaker 5: Go ahead.
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Speaker 8: Perceived slights and injury. You see that all over the DSM,
21:36
Speaker 8: the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, that women,
21:41
Speaker 8: especially with personality disorders, respond to perceived slights and injuries negatively,
21:48
Speaker 8: and in this case, obviously she has pathological jealousy. It
21:53
Speaker 8: reminds me of those chimps that are fawned over by
21:57
Speaker 8: their owners and then one more person comes on of
21:59
Speaker 8: the property and they get their face ripped off by
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Speaker 8: the chimp. It's a very primitive, primitive anger, and I
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Speaker 8: think that people who have borderline personality they bring everyone
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Speaker 8: down around them. We don't really know that her boyfriend
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Speaker 8: was a cheater, but now in the press everyone's calling
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Speaker 8: him a cheater. So this is what they do. It's
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Speaker 8: like a cancer that spreads outwards. I'm thinking about her
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Speaker 8: running through the house after Wilson, running away from the
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Speaker 8: security guards, jumping over a fence. This woman puts enormous
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Speaker 8: energy into herself into getting away, into committing crimes. She's very,
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Speaker 8: very active. And I also see this by patients who
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Speaker 8: are borderline. All they think about is revenge, jealousy. They
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Speaker 8: create a mess everywhere they go, and the particular type
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Speaker 8: of mess they create is like huge temper tantrums. They
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Speaker 8: groom people, They groom their neighbors and their friends by
23:04
Speaker 8: being really sweet and lovely.
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Speaker 3: So what I'm afraid she's gonna do with the jury
23:09
Speaker 3: so they will have good points.
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Speaker 2: They'll think there's no way this woman could have done that.
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Speaker 2: They may even think, Hey, maybe.
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Speaker 3: Mariah was the aggressor.
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Speaker 2: But that's not what the facts and evidence are going
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Speaker 2: to show, because there's hard evidence, forensic evidence, that Mariah
23:26
Speaker 2: did not fight back, She couldn't fight back, she was unarmed.
23:30
Speaker 2: I believe, and I'm not sure about this, that there
23:33
Speaker 2: may have been a silencer involved because none of the
23:37
Speaker 2: neighbors heard gunshots. But I want you to hear how
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Speaker 2: innocent it was.
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Speaker 3: On Mariah's part. Anyway. Take a listen to our cut e.
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Speaker 10: Anna Wilson is better known by her middle name Mariah.
23:48
Speaker 10: In racing circles, It's mo. Wilson is an up and
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Speaker 10: coming gravel and mountain bike racer and she's in Austin
23:55
Speaker 10: to tackle the Gravel Locos race and he go. As
23:58
Speaker 10: luck would have it, Wilson had as friends in the area,
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Speaker 10: so instead of booking a hotel, she bunks down with
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Speaker 10: her friend. The friend already had plans for the evening,
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Speaker 10: but that's okay. Wilson has plans of her own. She
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Speaker 10: tells her friend that she's meeting up with a guy
24:10
Speaker 10: she dated briefly for dinner and an evening of catching up.
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Speaker 2: But when the friend gets home, Mariah is not there
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Speaker 2: to open the door.
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Speaker 3: Listen our cup base.
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Speaker 10: When Moe Wilson's friend returns home from her dinner plans,
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Speaker 10: she finds Wilson unresponsive. Inside the home, there's blood everywhere,
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Speaker 10: and her friend is in the bathroom, lodged between the
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Speaker 10: toilet and the wall. Nine one one is called. Police
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Speaker 10: arrive to find Wilson has been shot multiple times with
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Speaker 10: a nine millimeter weapon and it doesn't appear the shooting
24:42
Speaker 10: is random.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about that issue because it's very
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Speaker 2: very significant to me. Joseph Scott Morgan, a professor Friensis
24:50
Speaker 2: Jacksonville State University. It's significant to me that Mariah Moe
24:58
Speaker 2: is lodged between the toilet and the wall, that little spot.
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Speaker 2: You know a lot of homes they put the commode
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Speaker 2: off so it doesn't take any extra room off by
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Speaker 2: the wall. Now, this is what I was asking earlier,
25:13
Speaker 2: and I'm want to give you my hypothesis. Blood was
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Speaker 2: quote everywhere, blood everywhere, and.
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Speaker 3: Mariah was wedged down as far as.
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Speaker 2: She could get between the commode and the wall, which means,
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Speaker 2: because the blood is everywhere, she was shot and then
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Speaker 2: she kept trying to get away and finally wedged down.
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Speaker 3: Between that commode and the wall to protect herself, and
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Speaker 3: that's where she died.
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about, that she was chased because
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Speaker 2: all the blood isn't right there a pool of blood
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Speaker 2: where her body was.
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Speaker 3: It was elsewhere, which tells me a chase was on.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, you just followed the path that the blood leaves.
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Speaker 9: And here here's one other thing. I think a lot
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Speaker 9: of folks out there believe that if you're shot, you're
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Speaker 9: automatically going to go down, and of course that's anatomically dependent.
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Speaker 9: It depends on where you're injured, you know, the impact
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Speaker 9: of that injury. And here's another layer of fear that
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Speaker 9: kind of plays into what Moe's last moments were, Nancy,
26:25
Speaker 9: is that if we go with this idea that she
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Speaker 9: was chased and she wound up, you know, wedged in
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Speaker 9: this tiny little environment, she's trying to go to that
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Speaker 9: last point of retreat which you can put distance between herself.
26:38
Speaker 9: She would have had an awareness, oh my god, I'm
26:40
Speaker 9: being shot. Adrenaline's pumping, she's pumping blood, and so when
26:44
Speaker 9: she gets in there heightened fear and this individual literally
26:51
Speaker 9: advances on her and executes her. In this environment, it's
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Speaker 9: not just one shot, two shot. And this is more
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Speaker 9: of a Bethany comment, but the fact that she shot
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Speaker 9: so many times, and we don't have the exact number
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Speaker 9: at this point in time, but the fact that she
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Speaker 9: shot so many times, this goes to either wanting to
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Speaker 9: finish the job at that moment, Tom or just like
27:15
Speaker 9: when we see a stabbing where you've got overkill, Nancy,
27:17
Speaker 9: you got a lot of hate, you got a lot
27:19
Speaker 9: of anger going forward to this.
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Speaker 2: Hey, And I'm going to circle back hey to you
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Speaker 2: Alan Bennett, a high profile lawyer, former prosecutor with Gunter
27:28
Speaker 2: Bennett and Anthos joining us from this jurisdiction. Alan Bennet,
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Speaker 2: I want to hear everything about this courthouse, everything you
27:35
Speaker 2: know about the judge that you can repeat on air,
27:38
Speaker 2: but I want to circle back to you about flight
27:41
Speaker 2: and about the multiple gun.
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Speaker 3: Shots, because me and I would hammer that with this.
27:45
Speaker 2: Jury a lot of people think, oh, kayln Armstrong was mad.
27:49
Speaker 2: She was angry, so she pulled a gun and just shot.
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Speaker 2: Oh hgl n oh. Premeditation in that jurisdiction of Austin
27:59
Speaker 2: can be formed in the blink of an eye, the
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Speaker 2: twinkling of a moment, the time it takes you to
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Speaker 2: pull a gun and raise it and.
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Speaker 3: Pull the trigger.
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Speaker 2: The fact that Mariah Wilson Moe was shot multiple times
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Speaker 2: is time enough, more than enough to form premeditation intent
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Speaker 2: to act under the law much less. If my theory
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Speaker 2: is true, where Mariah was actually chased to the house,
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Speaker 2: that's more time. You've got her circling the house, with
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Speaker 2: bringing a gun, with her showing intent all that time.
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Speaker 2: She could have just kept on driving, but no, she
28:36
Speaker 2: went in and gunned down Mariah out of anger over
28:41
Speaker 2: a hamburger. Really, they had a hamburger together. So she
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Speaker 2: gets the death penalty.
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Speaker 3: Uh huh. And I don't care how glamorous she is.
28:51
Speaker 2: She can go straight to supper with Satan for all
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Speaker 2: eye care. So we're talking about what's gonna be hapen,
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Speaker 2: and it's happening right now, by the way, the opening
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Speaker 2: statements are happening.
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Speaker 3: Now, catch this. The police actually had.
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Speaker 2: Had Kaylin Armstrong in their grasp, they did not arrest
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Speaker 2: her or all suspicion of murder. They let her go
29:15
Speaker 2: because of a technicality and a previous warrant where she
29:18
Speaker 2: did not pay for botox and she got away. She
29:21
Speaker 2: left without paying and there was a warrant on her
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Speaker 2: for that. They could have grabbed her right then on
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Speaker 2: that warrant, but no, they let her go and she
29:30
Speaker 2: took off. But I want you to hear this. I
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Speaker 2: want you to hear I cut one five four. This
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Speaker 2: is a detective Richard Spiller from Austin p D.
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Speaker 4: The Austoin Police Department's tack Until unit located calling at
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Speaker 4: his residence and he agreed to an interview. Members of
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Speaker 4: the tack Until unit located Armstrong and she was arrested
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Speaker 4: for a misumeinor warrant issued out of Travis County. Armstrong
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Speaker 4: was transported to the main police station and interviewed. Armstrong
29:53
Speaker 4: was questioned about her vehicle being in the area as
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Speaker 4: pictured on the ring camera. However, she would not confirm
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Speaker 4: or deny being in the area of the murder and
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Speaker 4: quickly terminated the interview.
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Speaker 2: Nothing raises my suspicion more than someone that can't say, oh, no,
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Speaker 2: that's not my car. It doesn't have a World Peace
30:12
Speaker 2: sticker on the back, or it doesn't have a little
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Speaker 2: dent and the fender, or in my case, it doesn't
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Speaker 2: have a Halloween skeletons strap to the top. You should
30:21
Speaker 2: be able to look at a car and say, oh,
30:23
Speaker 2: that's not my car because it doesn't have whatever. But
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Speaker 2: she saw the video of that car, her car going
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Speaker 2: around and around the soon to be murder seen she
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Speaker 2: said huh what and left and they let her go,
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Speaker 2: even though she had a misdemeanor warrant on her for
30:43
Speaker 2: failure to pay for of course botox treatments.
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Speaker 3: I love that part.
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Speaker 2: Police want to talk to her, but she is nowhere
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Speaker 2: to be found. And then we find out this take
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Speaker 2: a listener our cut f as in Frank.
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Speaker 10: Police want to talk to Armstrong again, but she's nowhere
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Speaker 10: to be found. Not only did she disappear, she deleted
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Speaker 10: all her social media accounts. Law enforcement is on the
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Speaker 10: lookout for Armstrong driving her black Jeep Grand Cherokee, but
31:11
Speaker 10: three days later video is released of Armstrong in Austin's airport.
31:15
Speaker 10: Investigators say she flew from Austin to Houston and then
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Speaker 10: onto New York. Surveillance footage shows Caitlin Armstrong flying into
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Speaker 10: New York Slaguardia Airport on May fourteenth. Then on May eighteenth,
31:26
Speaker 10: the day after a murder warrant was issued for Armstrong,
31:30
Speaker 10: someone dropped her off at New Jersey's Newark Airport. But
31:33
Speaker 10: there's no record of her taking a flight.
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Speaker 2: And just like that, she slips through the fingers of
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Speaker 2: authorities and she is gone.
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Speaker 1: I'm stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 3: Joining me right now.
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Speaker 2: IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector, US Marshall Service, International Investigations, Chief Inspector,
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Speaker 2: Department of Justice, Office of International Affairs, best selling author
32:19
Speaker 2: of Solo's Shot, Curse of the Blue Stone and Flying
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Speaker 2: Solo Top of the World, both on Amazon, which I
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Speaker 2: believe he incorporated all of his world travels hunting down
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Speaker 2: criminals like Kaitlin Armstrong to create Solo.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Jack Solo. IRV. Brant thank you for being with us.
32:41
Speaker 2: So there is a massive search for Kaitlin Armstrong. She
32:46
Speaker 2: slips through their fingers. They got to be very embarrassed.
32:48
Speaker 2: They should be. I mean, she's right there in the
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Speaker 2: police HQ. And because there's a different I think it
32:54
Speaker 2: was a dob on the misdemeanor warrant. They're like, oh,
32:57
Speaker 2: maybe that's not her. Anyway, she escapes. Tell me about
33:03
Speaker 2: how they find her hiding out at a surf hostel
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Speaker 2: in Costa Rica, teaching trying to teach surf yoga, with
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Speaker 2: a nose job, changing her appearance.
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Speaker 5: Oops, that's correct, Nancy. She left the United States viaon
33:24
Speaker 5: fraudulent passport and made her way to that surf resort.
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Speaker 2: You mean we think her sister's passport, didn't We find
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Speaker 2: out for sure it was, Yeah, the sister's passport.
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Speaker 3: They looked very similar.
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Speaker 5: Go ahead, that's correct. And since she was came in
33:42
Speaker 5: under a different name, and she used multiple airliesses while
33:46
Speaker 5: she was in Costa Rica, and she made her way
33:49
Speaker 5: to the surfer resort where she changed her hair color,
33:54
Speaker 5: she had cosmetic surgery. She was obviously hiding. She was
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Speaker 5: telling people that she'd met, She'd made up different stories
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Speaker 5: about her life. And when US Marshall Service along with
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Speaker 5: the Costa Rican Police tracked her down, you know, and
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Speaker 5: took her into custody, she waived her right to deportation
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Speaker 5: hearings and voluntarily he returned to the United States escorted
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Speaker 5: by the United States Marshall Service and was taken into
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Speaker 5: custody into Texas, where she was housed until time of trial.
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Speaker 2: Can We talked about her making up stories about her life,
34:37
Speaker 2: traveling under a fake passport, getting as far away from
34:42
Speaker 2: the US as she could, and a place where they
34:46
Speaker 2: speak English. And of course Costa Rica is a very
34:51
Speaker 2: unique place. You've got the beach at Tammerindo, you have
34:58
Speaker 2: the mountains like matt Monteverde that you have the volcanic area,
35:05
Speaker 2: which is a whole swath of land there at volcanoes,
35:10
Speaker 2: so she could blend in in a very unique way.
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Speaker 3: There are tourists, so she could blend in in that way.
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Speaker 3: She picked a great place to go.
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Speaker 2: Still, there's plenty of people that speak English, and there
35:29
Speaker 2: are areas of Costa Rica that are extremely remote.
35:33
Speaker 3: For instance, I hiked there before.
35:37
Speaker 2: If you go hiking in Costa Rica, say around orn
35:40
Speaker 2: All or in the rainforest area, you can blend in
35:45
Speaker 2: and never be found of Brent.
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Speaker 5: That's exactly right, Nancy, and that's the reason why she
35:51
Speaker 5: picked it. There's a very large xpact community and what
35:55
Speaker 5: i'man by that is Americans that reside in Costa Rica
36:00
Speaker 5: and one of the allures of Costa Rica. If you
36:04
Speaker 5: ask them, they'll tell you going off the grid. They
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Speaker 5: just absolutely want to disappear. They don't want to be found.
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Speaker 5: And I'm not talking about criminals, I'm just talking.
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Speaker 3: About people in general in general.
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Speaker 5: That's correct. And so it's a perfect hiding place for
36:22
Speaker 5: someone who is being hunted by the law.
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Speaker 3: You know what else it is, It's a surfing mecca.
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Speaker 3: Surfers love Costa Rica.
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Speaker 2: They have awesome waves, so she would blend in perfectly
36:37
Speaker 2: there in the surfing and yoga scene. She was hiding
36:40
Speaker 2: out in this hostel and they are in the hostel
36:43
Speaker 2: when she was finally found our receipts, there was indication
36:47
Speaker 2: that she had had a nose job to change her appearance.
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Speaker 2: So let me go to Alan Bennett. Based on everything
36:53
Speaker 2: you're hearing from Erv Brandt, Alan Bennett, former prosecutor now
36:58
Speaker 2: civil attorney. Judges, Well, the law is in many jurisdictions
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Speaker 2: now that the judge cannot instruct the jury at the
37:07
Speaker 2: end of the trial on flight as indicator of guilt.
37:12
Speaker 2: In other words, when I see a cop pull up
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Speaker 2: behind me on the interstate. I may touch the brakes,
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Speaker 2: but I know Flora to one hundred and ten mphs.
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Speaker 3: Try to get away.
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Speaker 1: Why would I?
37:23
Speaker 2: Because I don't have anything to hide right now anyway.
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Speaker 2: But flight, when you do take off at one hundred
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Speaker 2: and ten mph, why a jury can assume, if argued correctly,
37:37
Speaker 2: that you take flight because you're guilty. Come on, she's
37:41
Speaker 2: traveling under a fake name with her sister's passport, gets
37:45
Speaker 2: a nose job, makes up a whole new life story,
37:49
Speaker 2: on and on and on to distance herself from the shooting.
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Speaker 2: It's flight, and the state prosecutor can still argue that
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Speaker 2: to the jury. Why would she have gone to Costa
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Speaker 2: Rica and hide out in a hostel where she's sharing
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Speaker 2: a room with five other people in a butt bed
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Speaker 2: if she.
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Speaker 3: Didn't have to.
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Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am, I agree, and Texas does honor that doctrine.
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Speaker 7: It is what we refer to as evidence of guilt
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Speaker 7: or evidence of consciousness of guilt. And you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 7: Of course, you expect an innocent person to be jumping
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Speaker 7: up and down, demanding their day in court so as
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Speaker 7: to clear their good name. On the contrary, someone who
38:30
Speaker 7: escapes attempts to escape flees the jurisdiction. Your intuition, your
38:36
Speaker 7: common sense would dictate that that is someone who does
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Speaker 7: not want to go to gord, who does not want
38:41
Speaker 7: to have their day, who does not want to have
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Speaker 7: their trial to clear their good name. And in fact,
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Speaker 7: here in Texas, that should be admissible before the jury
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Speaker 7: to show that Ms. Armstrong's conduct is conduct from which
38:55
Speaker 7: a jury can infer guilt or certainly show her own
38:58
Speaker 7: consciousness of guilt. Saying would also apply to her subsequent
39:02
Speaker 7: attempt to escape custody just a month or so ago.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just going to bring that up, IRV Brandt.
39:09
Speaker 2: Alan Bennett is right. I can't wait to hear what
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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany has to say about this.
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Speaker 3: IRV Brandt.
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Speaker 2: You know, in the past couple of weeks, she faked
39:18
Speaker 2: up an illness to get an appointment away from the
39:20
Speaker 2: jail in a doctor's appointment, and they take her to
39:25
Speaker 2: the appointment offsite, and of course she makes a run
39:30
Speaker 2: for it, and the jailers were in no physical shape
39:34
Speaker 2: to give chase.
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Speaker 3: I can just say that right.
39:35
Speaker 2: Now, she manages, even in handcuffs, she didn't have a
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Speaker 2: leg restraints. She manages to scale a wall a big wall. Look, Jackie,
39:44
Speaker 2: what would you say five feet tall? At least she
39:47
Speaker 2: scales the wall, even in handcuffs. They finally get her.
39:51
Speaker 3: So RV Brandt, this woman is intent on escaping.
39:54
Speaker 2: Why then because it was time for her trial and
39:58
Speaker 2: she thinks she's going to be found guilty.
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Speaker 5: You're correct, and I'm sorry, but this is not a
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Speaker 5: funny subject. I don't mean to make light of it.
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Speaker 3: Mariah's parents aren't listening to you or Brant snickering.
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Speaker 5: I watched the video of her that went viral, of
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Speaker 5: her just torching and a race those deputies while she's
40:22
Speaker 5: in a waiste chain and handcuffed to her waist, and she's.
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Speaker 2: Still They need to go to dance duty right now, Nancy.
40:32
Speaker 5: I'm not going to make fun of them because it
40:36
Speaker 5: happens in thirty In my thirty years of law enforcement,
40:40
Speaker 5: I have had suspects who are in coughs break away
40:47
Speaker 5: from me and I had to chase them down.
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Speaker 3: Hey, I don't know that I could catch her, but
40:51
Speaker 3: I'm not wearing.
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Speaker 2: A deputy outfit and a gun on my hip, sworn
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Speaker 2: to protect the person.
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Speaker 5: I'm telling you, she's stashed. She's stassed like a cheetah.
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Speaker 5: But they got her. Yeah, and so I'm not going
41:04
Speaker 5: to make fun of them.
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Speaker 3: Because nobody asks you to. I'm asking you about what
41:07
Speaker 3: that means to you.
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Speaker 5: Well, that shows a consciousness of guilt, and she wants
41:13
Speaker 5: to get away. She doesn't want to go to trial.
41:15
Speaker 5: But what happens now down intended consequences of this is
41:20
Speaker 5: she's designated as an escape risk. And that's just not
41:24
Speaker 5: for the right now. This is going to follow her forever.
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Speaker 2: Can when we talk about what it means in the
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Speaker 2: here and now, it means this jury can hear about it.
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Speaker 2: Evidence indicating guilt Doctor Bethany Marshall jump in throw her
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Speaker 2: brant a life raff for Pete's sake.
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Speaker 8: It indicates something else. It indicates her ability to plan ahead.
41:47
Speaker 8: Remember in jail she exercised vigorously. She turned a pen
41:53
Speaker 8: into an object that she could use to loosen the handcuff.
41:57
Speaker 8: This woman plants and plans in an oceanic kind of way.
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Speaker 8: So when it comes to the killing of Wilson, it
42:06
Speaker 8: was not just in the spur of the moment. This
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Speaker 8: woman Armstrong thought about it and thought about it and
42:12
Speaker 8: thought about it. There's a lot of careful planning that
42:14
Speaker 8: goes into this. Maybe if I saw her in my office,
42:17
Speaker 8: I would see her persepating, obsessing, rageful, in a paranoid state.
42:24
Speaker 8: And you know this, this going to Costa Rica is
42:26
Speaker 8: also interesting because she had this twelve thousand dollars jeep
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Speaker 8: she sold, and twelve thousand dollars goes a long way
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Speaker 8: in Costa Rica. It doesn't go a long way in
42:35
Speaker 8: the United States. If you want to get a nosed
42:37
Speaker 8: job and you want to live on the lamb. And
42:39
Speaker 8: I think so fascinating thing to me. You know how criminals,
42:43
Speaker 8: men in jail always become ministers, so they you know,
42:46
Speaker 8: they accept the Lord Jesus Christ into their heart. And
42:49
Speaker 8: I'm not making fun of that because I'm a Christian.
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Speaker 3: Do not crank up about Christ.
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Speaker 8: Okay, okay, But women do the equivalent version. By the
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Speaker 8: huming yoga instructors and mystics and spiritual leaders, they all
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Speaker 8: feel in some grandiose way, like they've come to see
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Speaker 8: the light and they believe it, Nancy, they believe they
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Speaker 8: have a unique and special connection to God.
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Speaker 3: I do not know what that has to do with
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Speaker 3: her taking off and.
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Speaker 2: Arm restraints grandiosity, but somehow you did it Dr Bethany.
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Speaker 3: Somehow you cobble those two together. I can tell you right.
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Speaker 2: Now that jury is hearing how many times twenty five
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Speaker 2: year old Mariah Wilson was shot, shot dead till she
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Speaker 2: bled out on the bathroom floor. We'll bring you the latest.
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Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,