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Credlin | 26 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kranland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Goodness me, you're not going to get any pro Assange
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Speaker 2: craziness here on Kredline. Good evening, welcome to show. Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight. Asang's officially a free man after
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Speaker 2: pleading guilty, so he should is set to land in
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Speaker 2: Canberra tonight. We'll bring you all the details as they
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Speaker 2: come in. But I make the point for anyone who
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Speaker 2: wants to lionize Assange, think of the lives he endangered
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Speaker 2: with his leaks. More on that later with Greg Sheridan.
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Speaker 2: In one move across the Center Chamber, Fatima payments exposed
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Speaker 2: how weak Anthony Albanezi is. He is the first Labor
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Speaker 2: PM in history to let an MP get away with
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Speaker 2: crossing the floor and no sanction. It is just show
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Speaker 2: how powerful the Muslim of vote block is to Labour's
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Speaker 2: chances at the next election. I suspect it does. Plus
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Speaker 2: another energy report from the Regulator telling us that renewables
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Speaker 2: simply aren't keeping pace Labour's emissions targets, We're in for
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Speaker 2: a world of pay this winter and beyond. I'll speak
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Speaker 2: with Tony Abbott about how a resource rich place like
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Speaker 2: Australia got into this mess and bad news for mortgage
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Speaker 2: holders too across the country as inflation spikes, increasing expectations
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Speaker 2: of yet another rate hike for a government that promised
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Speaker 2: cost of living relief the last election. This is the
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Speaker 2: last thing Australian's need.
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Speaker 3: Will a prime minister to take responsibility for the cost
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Speaker 3: of living pain that Australian families are feeling today.
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Speaker 4: After two years of Labour's homegrown inflation.
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Speaker 5: Under this economically illiterate prime minister, families and small businesses
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Speaker 5: aren't hurting. But first with the impending arrival tonight of
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Speaker 5: a Julian Assange on Australian soil, the Omani, the government
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Speaker 5: thinks it's had a big win ensure everyone who's habitually
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Speaker 5: on the side of troublemakers and who barracks for every
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Speaker 5: other country about our own was an Assange sympathizer. But
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that's anything like the majority of Australians
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Speaker 5: who are likely to see this as another niche obsession
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Speaker 5: from a green left prime minister who I'm sure will
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Speaker 5: now meet with Assange in front of the cameras and
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Speaker 5: help turn him into the sort of celebrity that the
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Speaker 5: ABC loves.
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Speaker 2: Now that he's home. Who knows he might even run
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Speaker 2: for Labor all the Greens in the Senate, given how
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Speaker 2: crazy things are on the left. But again, all of
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Speaker 2: that's a side show with ordinary people. With inflation ticking
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Speaker 2: up today and cost of living pressures the biggest concern
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Speaker 2: for most voters, and government policies are band aid at best.
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Speaker 2: I reckon. There's governments in trouble the sure The conventional
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Speaker 2: wisdom is that all governments get a second term, but
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Speaker 2: most governments don't get elected under false pretenses as this
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Speaker 2: one did. Promising to cut a power bill by two
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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five dollars a year ye, promising not
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Speaker 2: to change legislative tax cuts, promising not to change super
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Speaker 2: promising not to drive your mortgage rates up either. Quite
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Speaker 2: apart from Peter Dutton's nuclear commitment, which is the first
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Speaker 2: sign of realism and honesty we've had in the energy
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Speaker 2: debate for about a decade, I reckon the Opposition's characterization
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Speaker 2: of the Prime Minister is starting to bite, weak and
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Speaker 2: out of his depth. That's what the Coalition is saying,
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Speaker 2: and more and more Australians are thinking it too take
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Speaker 2: his handling of Senator Fatima Payment. Never before has a
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Speaker 2: Labor MP crossed the floor without sanction. Indeed, this is
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Speaker 2: only the second time in Labour's history that an MP
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Speaker 2: has crossed the floor during their time in government. The
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Speaker 2: last time was under Bob Hawk when two Labor politicians,
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Speaker 2: Saidator George George's and House NP Graham Campbell crossed the floor.
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Speaker 2: Both men were suspended from the party by Hawk. Even
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Speaker 2: abstaining from a vote under other Labor leaders has had
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Speaker 2: severe repercussions. Back in nineteen ninety one, three Labour Senators
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Speaker 2: Bruce Childs, John Coates and Margaret Reynolds abstained from a
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Speaker 2: Senate vote supporting the first Golf War. Now, despite their
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Speaker 2: standing in the party, this is an abscension. All three
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Speaker 2: were suspended from caucus. All of this is contained in
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Speaker 2: a paper from the Parliamentary Library, but I pulled out
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Speaker 2: of my files last night. Meaning this is the first
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Speaker 2: time in history that a rat has been allowed to
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Speaker 2: stay in the ranks of Labor without a sanction. In
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Speaker 2: Question Time today, Peter Dutton raised Payment with the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: When the Prime Minister condemned the violent River to the
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Speaker 3: Sea Chair Labour Senator Fadom of Payment publicly rebuked him
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Speaker 3: and repeated it. Yesterday sended a payment across the floor
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Speaker 3: to support the Green's Hatefield campaign to ferment social divisions
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Speaker 3: on Palestine, apparently without consequences. Prime Minister Bob Hawk, when
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Speaker 3: he was leader of the Labor Party, suspended two members
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Speaker 3: for such actions. Every leader since him has stood up
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Speaker 3: and shown strength of leadership. Will a prime minister do
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Speaker 3: the same?
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Speaker 2: And he is The Prime Minister's response.
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Speaker 6: I meet with Senator Payin fairly today. She will not
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Speaker 6: be attending the Labor caucus for the rest of this session.
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Speaker 6: What I do a shared leadership for our united team.
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Speaker 2: The rest of the session. I mean we're talking about
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Speaker 2: one meeting, that's all, and missing going to be a blessing,
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Speaker 2: not a sanction. It avoids payment facing her angry labor colleagues.
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Speaker 2: It spares Alban Easy the humiliation now compared to Hawk.
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Speaker 2: That's the best of wet letters, isn't it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: does Alwyn Easy has he unilaterally abrogated the forever rule
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Speaker 2: that Labor MPs have no right whatsoever to cross the
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Speaker 2: floor on anything at all? Or does that rule still
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Speaker 2: apply to everyone else? Except the young Muslim woman, having
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Speaker 2: now defied him and her party, is payment allowed to
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Speaker 2: cross the floor again without consequence. Are Labour's Jewish MPs
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Speaker 2: or the rare few that actually support Israel? Are they
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Speaker 2: now to be given similar leeway. The Prime Minister has
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Speaker 2: either given up on internal discipline or he's succumbed to
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Speaker 2: a special type of identity politics inside the Labor Party.
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Speaker 2: Either way, nothing has exposed his lack of clout, his
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Speaker 2: internal weakness. More than this. Then there's the PM's inability
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Speaker 2: to replace any of his obviously incompetent ministers, such as
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Speaker 2: the wretched Andrew Giles or the laughable empty vessel that's
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen. Meanwhile, government polus is are making all our
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Speaker 2: deeper problems worse. Under Labor, government spending has more or
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Speaker 2: less permanently gone up from twenty four percent of GDP
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Speaker 2: to twenty six. Much of that spending is misspent. Look
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Speaker 2: at the art of control in dis soon to have
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Speaker 2: nearly a million Australians as clients and cost US one
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Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars a year. Reports again today a sheer
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Speaker 2: waste include as revealed by the Minister Bill Shorten, crystal
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Speaker 2: therapy bariatric surgery, washing machines, even bird seed and tickets
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Speaker 2: to wet and Wild. I mean that's a water slide
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Speaker 2: theme park of a gold coast for those that don't know.
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Speaker 2: Is it any wonder? Inflation sticky and jumped up again today,
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Speaker 2: leading to speculation of a rate rise in coming months,
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Speaker 2: not the cut we all hoped. Then there's the productivity
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Speaker 2: crushing new rules that allow unions to walk into every
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Speaker 2: business with fifteen star for more. Then there's the energy insanity,
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Speaker 2: thinking that we can move from sixty percent coal fired
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Speaker 2: power now to just under ten percent coal in just
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Speaker 2: six years without blackouts and no massive rise in power costs.
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Speaker 2: Then there's a complete torpor on defense, nuclear powered submarines
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Speaker 2: finally turning up if nothing goes wrong in ten years time,
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Speaker 2: while we're actually retiring warships now and canceling new weaponry.
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Speaker 2: And yet the world's never been more dangerous now than
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Speaker 2: in decades.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: I know, we can't blame the Albertezer government for things
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Speaker 2: like extinction, rebellion, invasion day, vandals, toppling statues of Captain Cook,
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Speaker 2: and pro humus protest is forming our cities. State governments
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Speaker 2: have got to get the police to enforce the law there.
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Speaker 2: But the trouble is that at least half the Labor
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Speaker 2: parties on the side of the rat bags. At least
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Speaker 2: half the Labor Party is cheering them on. That's why
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Speaker 2: the vandals are in bold, That's why the police are enfeebled. Still.
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Speaker 2: With the Bartsdei Stage three tax cuts coming soon plus
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Speaker 2: bigger energy handouts, Labor hardheads will be banking on these
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Speaker 2: payoffs to shift the polls and head to a pre
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Speaker 2: Christmas election, knowing this is about as good as it's
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Speaker 2: going to get. All credit to Peter Dutton for finally
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Speaker 2: creating a contest on energy, but the coalition needs to
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Speaker 2: have all its other policies, plus its candidates in place
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Speaker 2: and money in the bank for an election that could
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Speaker 2: come on within months. Anthony Almanezi is in trouble at best.
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Speaker 2: All he's looking at now with a Labor Green minority government,
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Speaker 2: he is weakened. He can't even do what every other
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Speaker 2: Labor leader has done in history, and that's to discipline
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Speaker 2: his own MPs across the floor. Now it might seem
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Speaker 2: like an insight the bubble Canberra story, but if you
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Speaker 2: know the history of labor this is the canary in
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Speaker 2: the coal mine for this week and troubled Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll go to Camber now for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Sky reporter camridden in.
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Speaker 8: A warning sign for mortgage holders. Inflation leapt up for
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Speaker 8: the month of May, raising the likelihood of an interest
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Speaker 8: rate hike as soon as August.
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Speaker 9: Of course, we need inflation to be lower and sooner.
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Speaker 8: Prices rose by four percent over the year to May,
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Speaker 8: up from three point six percent of the month prior.
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Speaker 6: The effect is that inflation is lower than what we inherited.
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Speaker 2: You can't spin your way out of this one.
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Speaker 8: The Reserve Bank meets for its next interest rates decision
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Speaker 8: in August.
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Speaker 3: I just can't see how they can walk away from
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Speaker 3: this and have any sort of inflation fighting credibility intact.
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Speaker 8: Free at last, Julian Assange leaves court in Saipan, having
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Speaker 8: pleaded guilty to breaching the US Espionage Act. He departs
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Speaker 8: bound for Australia, a convicted felon.
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Speaker 6: Now, regardless OFVIO views about his activities, and they will
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Speaker 6: be varied. Mister Asciance case is dragged on for too long.
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Speaker 2: I want to thank our Prime Minister Anthony Albernezi for
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Speaker 2: his statesmanship, his principal leadership and his diplomacy.
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Speaker 8: The Assange family has gathered in Canberra for his arrival.
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Speaker 10: To say hello, maybe have dinner, that sort of thing.
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Speaker 2: In my view, he is not a hero. He shouldn't
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Speaker 2: be treated as a hero. Write more on today's big
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Speaker 2: stories now. Sky News political reporter Cam Reddin joins us
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Speaker 2: and senior reporter from Sydney, Carolyn Marcus, will welcome to
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Speaker 2: you both. I'll start with the big story aside from Assiance,
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Speaker 2: the stuff that actually turns the tables in elections. This
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Speaker 2: is the economy and this is the stats out for
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Speaker 2: the Bureau of Statistics today. Inflation up four percent in May,
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Speaker 2: that is a six month high, increasing rents, electricity prices, petrol,
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Speaker 2: They're the pain points for consumers. Economists are already saying
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Speaker 2: this means they'll be pressure on the Reserve Bank to
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Speaker 2: high rates come August, which would basically wipe out any
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Speaker 2: tax cut win for those with a mortgage. Cam, I know,
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Speaker 2: as I said, the cam rebubval is all about a
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Speaker 2: Sange today, But this is where voters are at and
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Speaker 2: it's the economy. Stupid At the next selection isn't it.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, this is what really shifts the needle for people, Peter.
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Speaker 8: And with fewer meetings, of course, with a Reserve bank
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Speaker 8: now under this new model this year, there's additional pressure
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Speaker 8: at every meeting for the Reserve Bank to get ahead
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Speaker 8: of inflation as best it can by going earlier on
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Speaker 8: rate rises if it's going to move at all, rather
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Speaker 8: than leaving it later. There's still under six weeks until
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Speaker 8: the next meeting, and Michelle Bullock has said for several
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Speaker 8: meetings now that she's got her finger essentially on the
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Speaker 8: button to lift rates if she.
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Speaker 2: Needs to do it.
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Speaker 8: They're standing ready, but they still want to see that
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Speaker 8: big quarterly figure for quarterly inflation, which will come out
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Speaker 8: at the end of next month, and that will then
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Speaker 8: determine largely what they decided to do in August.
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Speaker 2: It's such a politically difficult.
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Speaker 8: Mix for the government, Peter, because you've got this situation
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Speaker 8: with unemployment hovering around four percent. It's great that people
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Speaker 8: are in work, but inflation is just not going down.
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Speaker 8: It was trending down last year, hit the skids around
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Speaker 8: three and a half percent at Christmas time and is
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Speaker 8: now slowly ticking back up and that's the trend that
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Speaker 8: if it doesn't get under control, then that's when households
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Speaker 8: feel it, and certainly the government will feel it from
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Speaker 8: a political sense too.
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Speaker 2: And Kara, we know people are worried that there's research
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Speaker 2: out that says fifty two percent, so a majority of
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Speaker 2: people saying, look, we're in stress, We're in mortgage stress.
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Speaker 2: They anticipate a rate increase. They spend half of their
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Speaker 2: income now to meet mortgage repayments. Sixteen percent say they're struggling.
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Speaker 2: They might not be in stress, but they're struggling. You know.
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Speaker 2: The PM speaks to his caucus, he says, campaign on
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Speaker 2: nothing else but the handouts I'm delivering on the first
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Speaker 2: of July. But they're a drop of the ocean when
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Speaker 2: you look at what might happen if rates increase in August.
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Speaker 2: This is where the punters are at, and not in
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Speaker 2: any other issue. I mean, it is literally survival.
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Speaker 1: And it's pretty bleak, isn't it? The consumer sentiment out there?
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Speaker 1: And that's as people prepare to have these sorts of
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Speaker 1: handouts that you're talking about here. The energy bill rebates
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Speaker 1: that have been promised on a federal level and as
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Speaker 1: well as in some states and territories, as well as
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Speaker 1: those Stage three tax cut changes. Despite all of that,
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Speaker 1: people are feeling this deep pessimism, according to this latest
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Speaker 1: survey monthly survey that was put out by Westpac. And
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Speaker 1: of course it comes after the Reserve Bank governor last
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Speaker 1: week says that it would take a lot to go.
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Speaker 2: Our way in order for more.
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Speaker 1: Interest rate hikes not to happen. So I think people
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Speaker 1: are feeling pretty low about this, and you know, a
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Speaker 1: few handouts is probably not going to make a lot
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Speaker 1: of difference for many households.
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Speaker 2: And that is the big dice the government's rolling in
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Speaker 2: order to get to they hope are lifted them polls.
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Speaker 2: AEMO puts the report out today that says the twenty
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Speaker 2: five year roadmap to net zero's looking pretty grim. It
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Speaker 2: says we're facing blackouts unless we blanket regional Australia with renewables,
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Speaker 2: unless we build ten thousand kilometers plus of new transmission
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Speaker 2: lines before coal exits the grid in twenty thirty five.
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Speaker 2: AEMO has costed the investment required this is in transmission,
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Speaker 2: generation and storage at one hundred and twenty two billion
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Speaker 2: dollars by twenty fifty. Now that's not everything in those numbers.
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Speaker 2: If you look carefully cam at the report they put out,
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Speaker 2: there's a whole table at the back to say, here
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Speaker 2: are all the things we need that we haven't yet costed.
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Speaker 2: So one twenty two there are billion dollars is on
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Speaker 2: the cheap. It makes nuclear I look very viable.
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Speaker 8: In my word, that's a lot of money, isn't it. Peter,
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Speaker 8: and AEMO has been pretty clear about this short term
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Speaker 8: threat as well. It's been sounding the alarm bells for
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Speaker 8: the best part of a week now about these gas
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Speaker 8: shortages and the threat of running out of gas in
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Speaker 8: winter due largely in by its own assessment, due to
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Speaker 8: the underperformance of renewables. We know the government has an
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Speaker 8: eighty two percent target for twenty thirty. It's really relying
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Speaker 8: on that to meet its emissions targets. At the moment
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Speaker 8: I just checked the grid, about thirty five percent roughly
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Speaker 8: is being provided into the system by renewables. That's in
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Speaker 8: the East Coast market, So still a long way from
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Speaker 8: where the government wants to be on that. And AEMO
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Speaker 8: has been pretty clear in its assessment of where renewables
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Speaker 8: and the role app is at that they're simply not
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Speaker 8: currently providing the amount of generation that was required, that
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Speaker 8: was expected, and these colder months so as that demand
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Speaker 8: goes up, the temperature goes down, people need more heating.
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Speaker 8: There's essentially now this urgent call out for producers to
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Speaker 8: pump as much gas as they can into the system,
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Speaker 8: plea to cover the gaps. Now there's an issue with
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Speaker 8: even getting additional supply in because projects have been subject
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Speaker 8: to delays. There have been other issues as well, including
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Speaker 8: with getting them approved. But there's a hope that this
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Speaker 8: Curry Curry gas plant in the Hunter, when that comes
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Speaker 8: online later in the year, that will help in New
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Speaker 8: South Wales. But both parties know, Peter, the short term
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Speaker 8: requirement really is to open the floodgates and get gas.
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Speaker 10: Into the market.
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Speaker 8: We saw that in the government's Planet released as well,
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Speaker 8: knowing both sides essentially acquiescing to the fact that gas
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Speaker 8: is really the short term solution to this.
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Speaker 2: And of course the Prime Minister has to horse trade
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Speaker 2: through the Senate with a party in the Greens who
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Speaker 2: don't want gas, who are demonizing gas. Caro I went
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Speaker 2: through this in my editorial Fatima Payment. This is the
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Speaker 2: second time only in history that a labour PM has
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Speaker 2: been faced with an MP crossing the floor. The last
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Speaker 2: time I mentioned this was Hawky suspended the two members.
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Speaker 2: It was a House MP and a senator at the time.
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Speaker 2: There was an ostension in nineteen ninety one and that
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Speaker 2: also copped us suspension. Yet payment's being let off here.
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Speaker 2: She's told to stand down from caucus for one session only.
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Speaker 2: I mean, is this the case of a weak Prime
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Speaker 2: minister or a Labor Party scared of the Muslim vote
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Speaker 2: in Western Sydney, or or perhaps votes I think it's both.
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Speaker 1: The two are certainly not mutually exclusive. And the fact
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Speaker 1: that Labour's worried about the threat of Muslim independence in
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Speaker 1: some of those seats, especially in Western Sydney, doesn't take
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Speaker 1: away from the fact that the government and leadership have
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Speaker 1: been so weak on the issue of anti Semitism, of
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Speaker 1: tackling propalaestin In extremism and Islamist extremism in this country.
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we're seeing here. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: infuriating that there's such a double standard when it comes
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Speaker 1: to this young Muslim woman who's a senator, compared to
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Speaker 1: how every other person within the Labor Party has been treated.
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Speaker 1: If they've broken the rules.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the rules.
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Speaker 1: Themselves less the issue. Of course, in the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 1: people are free to vote with their conscience, and I
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Speaker 1: think that's a good thing in principle. It's the double
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Speaker 1: standard that's the issue here, Peter, and I think even
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Speaker 1: more than that, it's the substance of what she has
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Speaker 1: voted for and what she has said lately that is
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Speaker 1: even more disturbing. I mean, she's voted with the Greens here,
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Speaker 1: betrayed her own party to vote with another party who
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Speaker 1: her own leader has accused of stoking anti Semitism and
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Speaker 1: very violent protests, including on you know, aggressive protests outside
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Speaker 1: electorate offices where they've been alleged arson attacks and vandals.
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Speaker 1: To vote with this party that her own leader has
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Speaker 1: singled out for. That is a shocking betrayal. And what
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Speaker 1: she's voting for there is to wreck a Palestinian state,
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Speaker 1: which would reward the most barbaric type of terrorism and
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Speaker 1: incentivize even more terrorism around the world as a way
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Speaker 1: to achieve political goals. I mean, this is a senator
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Speaker 1: who only a few weeks ago was chanting from the
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Speaker 1: River to the Sea to the media a phrase a
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Speaker 1: war slogan from hermas that her own leader has recognized
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Speaker 1: is very violent and has no place in Australia. And
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Speaker 1: what happens to her. She's not suspended, she's not expelled
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Speaker 1: from the party. She's ruled out of attending one Labor
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Speaker 1: Party meeting. It's like you're grounded for an hour.
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Speaker 2: Ooh.
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Speaker 1: That's really going to put her off doing this again.
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Speaker 1: And this government, if they're really serious about tackling extremism,
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Speaker 1: about tackling anti Semitism, has to get stronger on this.
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Speaker 2: I was surprised if she's a Labor MP ble the
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Speaker 2: time of the election, but we'll see how that goes.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time both. I'll move now if
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Speaker 2: I can to Julli Massange currently on route to canbra.
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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised he's coming to Canberra. He should land
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Speaker 2: very shortly. If they're live pictures, of course, I'll bring
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Speaker 2: them to you. Now you know my views on Massage.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he could have been detained indefinitely, but
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Speaker 2: he should have faced a court trial, and I've no
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Speaker 2: doubt if he did face trial, not the cooked up
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Speaker 2: thing he faced today, he would be locked up and
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Speaker 2: in prison. But the way that some have lionized his
21:29
Speaker 2: release completely ignores the fact that through massanges leaking of
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Speaker 2: secret intelligence, he risked the lives of brave operatives whose
21:36
Speaker 2: job it is to keep us safe. And I have
21:38
Speaker 2: been there in the room and got the briefing from
21:42
Speaker 2: people in nation states that want to do us harm.
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Speaker 2: Without what they tell us, we would be in much
21:50
Speaker 2: more dire circumstances. And he put all of that at risk,
21:53
Speaker 2: notwithstanding the fact that he refused to face multiple charges
21:56
Speaker 2: of rape in Sweden. For more on this, let's bring
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Speaker 2: in foreign edits for the Australian Greg Sheridan, Well, Greg,
22:03
Speaker 2: as I said, no surprises for me is coming to Canberra.
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Speaker 2: This will be a media circus. I suspect you stand
22:09
Speaker 2: close to the Prime Minister. He may even sell his
22:11
Speaker 2: story to the media. Perhaps is why he didn't do
22:14
Speaker 2: a press conference before he boarded the plane. Give us
22:19
Speaker 2: some balance here in how Assange's history has been retailed,
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Speaker 2: because right now you'd think he was the patron saint
22:28
Speaker 2: of free speech if you listen to some in the media,
22:31
Speaker 2: how about your remind.
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Speaker 9: People, well, Peter, great to be with you and welcome back.
22:37
Speaker 9: How dismal our airwaves have been in your absence. Look
22:43
Speaker 9: I think you're right that Assange couldn't stay locked up forever.
22:48
Speaker 9: So I'm glad that he's you know, that he's out
22:52
Speaker 9: of custody. But what he did was if he did
22:56
Speaker 9: the same tomorrow in Australia, he'd go to jail again.
22:59
Speaker 9: So how how can anybody lionize ax which would be
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Speaker 9: crimes in Australia and which would see him jarred in
23:05
Speaker 9: Australia if he released a great swag hundreds of thousands
23:09
Speaker 9: of Australian top secret security documents which revealed the names
23:13
Speaker 9: of agents and intelligence sources that would contravene about a
23:16
Speaker 9: million federal laws and the perpetrator anybody who did that
23:20
Speaker 9: would go to jail tomorrow. So I think the Alberneza
23:23
Speaker 9: government so far has been okay in its tone, sensible enough,
23:26
Speaker 9: hasn't indoors to Sanjo's behavior, nor has the opposition. I
23:30
Speaker 9: think it's really ridiculous to have Kevin Rudd and Stephen
23:33
Speaker 9: Smith on the flight with him. We're not welcoming Ongsan
23:37
Speaker 9: suit Chi or Chai Lung or Sean Turnell or any
23:42
Speaker 9: virtuous person like that. So he spends seven years in
23:46
Speaker 9: the Ecuadorian embassy because he wouldn't face two rape charges
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Speaker 9: in Sweden, so slightly different definition of rape in Sweden.
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Speaker 9: I guess to what the word normally means. But they
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Speaker 9: are very serious sexual assault charges, and I don't suggest
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Speaker 9: that he's guilty. We have no idea he deserves a
24:04
Speaker 9: presumption of innocence in a criminal matter. But no one
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Speaker 9: would suggest the Swedish women were CIA plants or something.
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Speaker 9: Sweden is a country very unlikely to have extradited him
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Speaker 9: to the United States. So where is the feminist outrage
24:19
Speaker 9: that these charges of rape were not answered? And then
24:23
Speaker 9: Assange can't claim to be either a publisher or a
24:25
Speaker 9: journalist because no journalist. I myself have published lots of
24:29
Speaker 9: confidential national security documents over the years. I've been investigated
24:34
Speaker 9: more than once by the federal police.
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Speaker 10: But every journalist.
24:37
Speaker 9: Knows you don't put in an agent's name, you don't
24:40
Speaker 9: put in a source's name. There are kind of clear
24:44
Speaker 9: ethical guidelines, not dependent on the government, just dependent on
24:47
Speaker 9: our own pride and professionalism about what you're published. Now,
24:51
Speaker 9: it wasn't only agents' names who were published in these documents,
24:55
Speaker 9: but innocent Afghans and Iranians and so on, who simply
24:58
Speaker 9: had had conversations with American diplomats. These conversations were reported
25:03
Speaker 9: in confidential diplomatic cables back home, and then these poor
25:07
Speaker 9: innocent people had their names plastered all over the documents
25:10
Speaker 9: so the government could peruse them. And then a final thing,
25:14
Speaker 9: Wiki Leaks clearly worked in tandem with Russian intelligence to
25:19
Speaker 9: publish Hillary Clinton's leaked emails. I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton,
25:24
Speaker 9: but an organization which works at the behest of Russian
25:27
Speaker 9: intelligence cannot claim to be a champion of free speech
25:33
Speaker 9: or democracy, or an ideal or a decent journalistic outlet.
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Speaker 9: You know, Russian intelligence is not on the side of
25:42
Speaker 9: a free speech.
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Speaker 2: Greg If I sat here in detailed information I have
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Speaker 2: from all the top secret briefings I've received, or the
25:52
Speaker 2: times I've sat in a National security Cabinet meetings, I mean,
25:55
Speaker 2: I would quite properly expect to be arrested as soon
25:58
Speaker 2: as I left the studio. So the idea that Assange
26:01
Speaker 2: is some sort of freedom fighter and we soon we
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Speaker 2: talk about these issues and hold governments to account, but
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Speaker 2: I will not give him a leaf pass for what
26:09
Speaker 2: he did. And I think it's wrong of many in
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Speaker 2: the media to try and do that. My question is
26:14
Speaker 2: what happens now. I mean, does he fade away like
26:17
Speaker 2: that former Al Qaeda recrude David Hicks, or do you
26:21
Speaker 2: think he's going to become sort of a feature in
26:24
Speaker 2: the next election campaign. I wouldn't rule out he runs
26:27
Speaker 2: for the Parliament, perhaps a Senate seat that the Greens
26:30
Speaker 2: or someone else. What do you think will happen to
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Speaker 2: a Sanche.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's a really fascinating question, Peter. So he is
26:38
Speaker 9: a convicted felon. So we have to accept the credibility
26:44
Speaker 9: of his conviction that he broke American law, very serious
26:48
Speaker 9: American law, and has pleaded guilty and is a convicted felon.
26:55
Speaker 9: So I'm no expert on Assange. I mean, some people
26:57
Speaker 9: have made a songe their lives work and I'm no expert.
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Speaker 9: But just having observed it from Afar and watching what
27:04
Speaker 9: he said in the court case in Saipan, that you
27:07
Speaker 9: know he's pleading guilty to this crime. But it's in
27:09
Speaker 9: contradiction to the First Amendment freedom of speech in the
27:14
Speaker 9: United States Constitution. That's baloney, of course, because no freedom
27:17
Speaker 9: of speech is unlimited. That doesn't mean you can publish
27:19
Speaker 9: every government secret that you can defame people that you
27:23
Speaker 9: can call the violence. There are all kinds of limitations on
27:26
Speaker 9: free speech, quite rightly, but his personality seems to be
27:31
Speaker 9: very attention seeking and narcissistic, and you would expect so
27:37
Speaker 9: I wish him no harm, and I think he'd be
27:39
Speaker 9: well advised to just whatever he does, take six months
27:42
Speaker 9: off and take a breath, and you sit in the
27:45
Speaker 9: sunshine and take it easy for a bit. But my
27:48
Speaker 9: guess is that he will crave the limelight and attention.
27:52
Speaker 9: All of the crazy, happy clappy mad left in Australia
27:56
Speaker 9: will make him the hero of all time. You already
27:59
Speaker 9: hear that all of his ridiculous apologists and of course
28:05
Speaker 9: you know the ABC will sort of cast a bronze
28:08
Speaker 9: statue in his honor or something. But I think if
28:12
Speaker 9: he engages in Wiki League's style activity in Australia, he'll
28:17
Speaker 9: break the law.
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Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 9: I'm not suggesting he's going to do that, but and
28:20
Speaker 9: if he doesn't do that, you've just become another tired
28:23
Speaker 9: dobe left wing commentator. So I mean, I hope he
28:27
Speaker 9: stops and smell the roses, but I wouldn't be surprised
28:31
Speaker 9: if he's sort of set up as a guru of
28:34
Speaker 9: the guru of the alienated left. And the final point
28:37
Speaker 9: I'd make, dear Peter, is here unites now the crackpots
28:41
Speaker 9: of the right and the crackpots of the left, Marjorie
28:45
Speaker 9: Taylor Green, the loopiest Republican in Congress in the history
28:49
Speaker 9: of the world, and the squad on the left, because
28:53
Speaker 9: they both the extreme left and the extreme right. They
28:56
Speaker 9: both hate our kind of society and they find it
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Speaker 9: His alienated hatreds a kindred spirit.
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Speaker 2: You are not wrong, Greg, I've made that same observation myself,
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Speaker 2: thank a few time. As always, I will be interested
29:14
Speaker 2: to know actually what was the cost of that flight.
29:16
Speaker 2: I'm presuming you the taxpayer paid that private plane all
29:20
Speaker 2: the way from the UK via Saipan to Australia, and
29:24
Speaker 2: the affairs of Kevin Rudd and our High Commissioner in
29:27
Speaker 2: the UK, and all the retinue that came with them,
29:30
Speaker 2: Let's find that out as well. Or after break Tony
29:32
Speaker 2: ever joins me to discuss how a resource rich country
29:35
Speaker 2: like Australia confine itself in the energy mess we're in.
29:39
Speaker 2: Plus another blunder from the office of Minister Giles with
29:43
Speaker 2: the ring leader of a multi million dollar fraud using
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Speaker 2: his ministerial direction to avoid deportation. I'll have that exclusive
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Speaker 2: for you after the break. Welcome back soon, the exclusive
29:58
Speaker 2: story of a heartless scat who's stolen an elderly woman's
30:01
Speaker 2: life savings, who then tried to use the notorious ministerial
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Speaker 2: direction from Andrew Giles to stay in Australia the first.
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Speaker 2: As I've discussed at the top of the show, we
30:11
Speaker 2: are in a world of pain when it comes to
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Speaker 2: energy Labour's renewables roll out, the regulator warns again today
30:19
Speaker 2: is nowhere near it where it needs to be when
30:22
Speaker 2: Cole leaves the grid prior to twenty forty. Then there's
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Speaker 2: the looming gas crisis, with one of the nation's larger
30:29
Speaker 2: gas plants already harving output, meaning there's a real prospect
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Speaker 2: of blackouts this winter, and the choice between heating homes
30:37
Speaker 2: or powery business but not both and all a self
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Speaker 2: inflicted mess. That's the great tragedy of it all. Join
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Speaker 2: me now to discuss this and more. Former Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbitt, Well, Tony, we're a resource rich country. We
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Speaker 2: export coal, gas, uranium, of course, yet we're warned we
30:56
Speaker 2: won't be able to use it to heat our homes
30:58
Speaker 2: this winter. It'd be bicycle if it wasn't so serious.
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Speaker 2: Can you understand why people are angry when so much
31:05
Speaker 2: of this is self imposed?
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Speaker 7: Look, I can, Peter, understand why people are angry. We
31:12
Speaker 7: have been running our electricity system not to produce affordable
31:18
Speaker 7: and reliable power, but reduce emissions for the best part
31:21
Speaker 7: of a decade and a half, and frankly, it's now
31:25
Speaker 7: becoming a slow motion train wreck. This idea that we
31:29
Speaker 7: should rush to get rid of gas, rush to get
31:32
Speaker 7: rid of coal, when the rest of the world is
31:36
Speaker 7: hungry for our gas, hungry for our coal.
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Speaker 10: It is an act of economic self harm.
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Speaker 7: It's worth noting, Peter, that no other country, none anywhere
31:49
Speaker 7: on Earth, is trying to establish eighty two percent renewables
31:55
Speaker 7: within six years.
31:56
Speaker 10: None is tried to do this.
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Speaker 7: So we are trying to lead the world as if
32:03
Speaker 7: we could save the world now with about one percent
32:06
Speaker 7: of global emissions here, with India and China rapidly increasing
32:12
Speaker 7: their emissions, whatever we do this is just a futile
32:17
Speaker 7: green gesture. And the sooner the public wake up to
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Speaker 7: what's going on, the better for all of us.
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Speaker 2: I think Australians are starting to wake up because now
32:28
Speaker 2: you know, before it was ticker box on climate. Do
32:31
Speaker 2: you care? Yes, I do, but there were no ramifications.
32:34
Speaker 2: I think now they're starting to feel the pain very
32:36
Speaker 2: obviously in their power bills. You know this debate well,
32:39
Speaker 2: going back to the carbon tax era, I think where
32:43
Speaker 2: the left profit is. This is a really complex area
32:48
Speaker 2: and they like to deliberately keep it complex. But also
32:51
Speaker 2: the idea that renewables are cheap. You know, wind is free,
32:56
Speaker 2: solar is free, only it's not free if you want
33:01
Speaker 2: to use it for power, and that's where people are hurting.
33:03
Speaker 2: But on the face of it, it sounds pretty seductive.
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Speaker 7: Look, wind and solar are only cheap when the wind
33:11
Speaker 7: is blowing and the sun is shining.
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Speaker 10: But we need power twenty four to seven.
33:16
Speaker 7: So the more wind and solar you've got, the more
33:21
Speaker 7: you damage the economics of reliable base load power. What
33:26
Speaker 7: we absolutely need to firm up wind and solar is
33:30
Speaker 7: more gas. And yet gas is exactly what the climate
33:33
Speaker 7: zealots won't let.
33:34
Speaker 2: Us have talk to me about the nuclear policy from
33:37
Speaker 2: Peter Duncan because well, a it's the right call. A
33:42
Speaker 2: lot of the OECD countries like Australia have nuclear in
33:44
Speaker 2: the mix. But it's also I think ideologically in political
33:50
Speaker 2: strategy terms, I think it's the right call because finally
33:53
Speaker 2: now we've got a point of difference between labor and
33:56
Speaker 2: liberal and for too long the Lips have thought they
33:59
Speaker 2: can in a whole government by being just labor light.
34:02
Speaker 2: I mean, we've got a fight now, haven't we.
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Speaker 7: And I think it's a phrase we've used before, Peter
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Speaker 7: labor light liberals lose.
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Speaker 10: Now. What Peter Dutton has done is created a contest.
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Speaker 7: It's the first time there's been a serious contest about
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Speaker 7: energy and climate over the last decade. And look, this
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Speaker 7: idea that we can't do nuclear when at least thirty
34:29
Speaker 7: three other countries do.
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Speaker 10: It's ridiculous.
34:32
Speaker 7: This idea that nuclear is somehow unsafe when we've had
34:35
Speaker 7: a nuclear reactor at Leucasytes within a stone's throw of backyards.
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Speaker 10: For sixty years. That's ridiculous.
34:41
Speaker 7: This idea that somehow we can't have nuclear on land
34:45
Speaker 7: when we're going to get it at sea, that's ridiculous.
34:49
Speaker 7: This idea that nuclear would take too long, when hell,
34:53
Speaker 7: we've got this snowy two point zero which is going
34:56
Speaker 7: to take more than a decade to bring to fruition,
34:59
Speaker 7: and where the costs of blown out from two billion
35:01
Speaker 7: to twelve billion plus. Again, all of the arguments used
35:06
Speaker 7: against nuclear don't stand up in the end. It just
35:10
Speaker 7: becomes green prejudice that is stopping us from going down
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Speaker 7: this path. It is the only way of getting to
35:19
Speaker 7: net zero and keeping the lights on because it's the
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Speaker 7: only proven form of zero emissions base power for a
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Speaker 7: country like Australia.
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about Ukraine because I know
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Speaker 2: you've been there recently. I've been on leave of course,
35:35
Speaker 2: so we were with a whole bunch of others over
35:38
Speaker 2: on the Western Front. You then went down to not Kiev,
35:43
Speaker 2: where you've been before, the capital city, which is relatively safe,
35:46
Speaker 2: but you went into the battle zone in Ukraine about
35:49
Speaker 2: the time that we heard comments from Nigel Farage in
35:52
Speaker 2: England saying that you know, basically Ukraine's got a rollover
35:57
Speaker 2: and negotiate with putin your reflections from you a couple
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Speaker 2: of days on the ground.
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Speaker 7: Look, the Ukrainians are defiant but somewhat despondent because they
36:11
Speaker 7: haven't been given in a timely fashion the kind of
36:15
Speaker 7: help they.
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Speaker 10: Need to win.
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Speaker 7: They've been given enough not to lose, but they haven't
36:20
Speaker 7: been given enough to win. I find the sorts of
36:25
Speaker 7: comments that we've heard from Nigel Faraj pretty incomprehensible, this
36:33
Speaker 7: idea that somehow NATO has goaded the Russians into attacking Ukraine.
36:39
Speaker 7: It's an utter nonsense, NATO expanded, because all of the
36:43
Speaker 7: vulnerable countries of Eastern Europe, the Poland's, the Hungary's, the
36:48
Speaker 7: Baltic States and more recently Sweden and Finland justifiably fear
36:54
Speaker 7: a Russia which has not been purged of militarism and imperialisms.
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Speaker 7: That's the first point to make. The second point I
37:01
Speaker 7: want to make is that Australia has been frankly embarrassingly
37:08
Speaker 7: dithering in. First of all, it's relatively puny assistance to Ukraine.
37:15
Speaker 7: We've got hundreds of bush Master armored vehicles, hundreds of
37:19
Speaker 7: Hawkeye armored vehicles that we can and should give to Ukraine.
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Speaker 7: But the weakest of all is the fact that seventy
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Speaker 7: countries have sent their ambassadors back to Kiev. Our ambassador
37:34
Speaker 7: is still cowering in Warsaw. How can you have an
37:38
Speaker 7: ambassador to Ukraine cowering in Warsaw. Now, I don't blame
37:43
Speaker 7: the ambassador, but I do blame the government. It's just
37:47
Speaker 7: incomprehensible that somehow it's not too dangerous for other countries
37:53
Speaker 7: ambassadors to be there, but it's too dangerous for us.
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Speaker 7: I mean, what are we a nation of whimps?
37:59
Speaker 2: Hardly there's an old prime Minister's club that I'm sure
38:02
Speaker 2: the current Prime Minister might take a call from you
38:05
Speaker 2: on this issue and perhaps fix it or be carefully
38:08
Speaker 2: might send you to Keith Toty have it. Thanks for
38:10
Speaker 2: your time. Thanks all right, now to a Sky News
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Speaker 2: special investigation where we can reveal the Immigration Minister Andrew
38:18
Speaker 2: Giles has intervened to redetain a former ringleader in a
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Speaker 2: cruel cold calling scam that's tofforded Australians of millions of dollars.
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Speaker 2: Stephen Keating that's his name, used the ministerial direction ninety nine.
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Speaker 2: This is the Giles direction to have his visa reinstated
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Speaker 2: last year. For fifteen months he's been out in the community,
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Speaker 2: but as Guy has learned two weeks ago, he was
38:41
Speaker 2: quietly locked back up. Jonathan Lee has been investigating this
38:45
Speaker 2: now and he joins me. Jonathan the tribunal's declared he
38:50
Speaker 2: did not pass the character test. You've tracked down one
38:54
Speaker 2: of his victims. What have they had to say about.
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Speaker 11: This will put a good evening to you. I find
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Speaker 11: the story actually quite extraordinary. It's more than just a
39:04
Speaker 11: case of mercy versus damnation. It really goes to the
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Speaker 11: heart of what's going on inside our immigration system. Stephen
39:10
Speaker 11: Keating was part of a cold calling scam, employed dozens
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Speaker 11: of people. They scammed millions of Australians of tens of
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Speaker 11: thousands of dollars. It was heartless, which would be an understatement.
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Speaker 11: He served two and a half years in Jaily, was
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Speaker 11: supposed to be deported, but managed to use this Ministerial
39:28
Speaker 11: Direction ninety nine to in effect allow him to stay
39:31
Speaker 11: in Australia based on his roots, the fact that he've
39:33
Speaker 11: been here around twenty years, and that he also now
39:35
Speaker 11: has a teenaged order. It's despite the fact that the
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Speaker 11: tribunal said the applicant does not pass the character test,
39:41
Speaker 11: as you said, he himself has said that he's been
39:44
Speaker 11: in the community fifteen months, which is to be applauded
39:48
Speaker 11: in many regards because he's gone crime free and he
39:51
Speaker 11: started to restart his life and reconnect with his family,
39:54
Speaker 11: but the minister has now intervened and locked him back
39:56
Speaker 11: up here in Brisbane Immigration Detention Center on character grounds.
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Speaker 11: It raises the very question of if he's unsafe to
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Speaker 11: be in the community, how has he managed to be
40:05
Speaker 11: there for fifteen long months. We caught up with Rosenne Byers.
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Speaker 11: She's one of the people who effectively put him and
40:12
Speaker 11: others away for this crime. She's flabbergasted that he hasn't
40:15
Speaker 11: been sent back to Ireland and he's quite frankly outraged.
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Speaker 2: They don't belong here.
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Speaker 12: They don't belong anywhere really, as far as far as
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Speaker 12: I'm concerned. They should be in a bloody cell with nothing.
40:29
Speaker 12: They've caused havoc for everybody, so why should they stay here?
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Speaker 4: Andrew Giles has many questions to answer when it comes
40:38
Speaker 4: to this case and many other cases. Will Andrew Giles
40:42
Speaker 4: apologize to the victims? Will Andrew Giles admit for the
40:47
Speaker 4: first time that he got it wrong when it came
40:50
Speaker 4: to ministerial direction ninety nine. Will he admit that his
40:54
Speaker 4: new reform still have as a primary factor to be
40:58
Speaker 4: considered by the core your connections to Australia and will
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Speaker 4: this lead to further cases like this? These are all
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Speaker 4: the questions that Andrew Giles needs to answer.
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Stephen Kenning's effectively pend a message to the Minister
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Speaker 2: Special pleadings. If you like, what does it say? Do
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Speaker 2: we know what the Minister's response is?
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Speaker 11: Well, I can tell you first and foremost Minister avoided
41:28
Speaker 11: our questions and issued a brief statement basically making the
41:31
Speaker 11: point that it's their expectation that they now crack down
41:34
Speaker 11: and have greater weight.
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Speaker 10: In these visa decisions.
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Speaker 11: But the petition itself really goes to the heart of
41:39
Speaker 11: this gentleman trying to now restart his life with his daughter.
41:43
Speaker 11: It says, this plea comes from a father whose daughter
41:46
Speaker 11: has endured enough emotional turmoil. I accept full accountability for
41:49
Speaker 11: my crimes and have been duly punished. I am aware
41:52
Speaker 11: that there have been poor decisions regarding individuals who reoffend.
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Speaker 2: But I am not one of them.
41:57
Speaker 10: A Peter.
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Speaker 11: This will end up heading back to an appeals court.
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Speaker 11: But as I say, if this gentleman has been in
42:04
Speaker 11: society for fifteen months and hasn't reoffended, you have to
42:09
Speaker 11: ask why the Minister is now intervened on character grounds.
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Speaker 2: We'll have more of Jonathan's package. I think we're playing
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Speaker 2: it later on today or tomorrow. Thank you, John O,
42:19
Speaker 2: thanks for giving me their heads up on all of that. Tonight,
42:22
Speaker 2: all right after the break, even more informations come to light,
42:24
Speaker 2: the calls in to question the air fix of Matt
42:27
Speaker 2: Keane's appointment as Labour's climates are last more on the
42:31
Speaker 2: harmful decision by the Allen government to allow pill testing.
42:34
Speaker 2: The police Union's now up in arms. Welcome back soon.
42:42
Speaker 2: We'll have kel riches as always on a Wednesday. Plenty
42:45
Speaker 2: of good words to get through, but first my panel
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Speaker 2: shadow Environment Minister, Senator Jonathan Dunham, and senior fellows at
42:52
Speaker 2: the Menzies Research Center and now a visiting fellow at
42:55
Speaker 2: the Danube Institute all the way from Budapest, Nick cat Well,
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Speaker 2: thank you John. We'll start with your parliamentary colleague, Senator
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Speaker 2: Payment if I can. Senator Daddiam, you had a ringside
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Speaker 2: seat to yesterday's circus. Are you surprised? This is the
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Speaker 2: first time in labor history. Certainly this second time only
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Speaker 2: a prime Minister's had to deal with someone crossing the
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Speaker 2: floor inside Labor. Only this time they have no sanction
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Speaker 2: from Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Peter was a circus and it continues to be
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Speaker 13: a circus. This is a test of the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 13: authority and when challenged it completely crumbles away. Everyone remembers
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Speaker 13: what happened to mal Colston, and everyone remembers what Penny Wong,
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Speaker 13: who later in life became a very strong proponent of
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Speaker 13: same sex marriage, what she did in the earlier days
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Speaker 13: when she voted against it in solidarity with labor. Their
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Speaker 13: history is they are a party of solidarity, but that
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Speaker 13: seems to have been chucked out the window and a
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Speaker 13: new precedent set and from inside labor they're telling me
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Speaker 13: it's one set of rules for the left, which Fatima
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Speaker 13: payment is from, and one set of rules for the right.
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Speaker 13: So watch his space. I think there's more to come,
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Speaker 13: but he has no credibility now when it comes to
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Speaker 13: upholding that labor tradition of solidarity.
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Speaker 2: I don't often get messages from the labor left, I
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Speaker 2: should imagine, but I do get a lot of messages
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Speaker 2: from the labor right, and I'm telling you they are
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Speaker 2: angry as you report. That's certainly coming through very clearly
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Speaker 2: to me. For that from Matt Kean's appointment to the
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Speaker 2: Climate Change Authority continues. Dennis Shanahan has revealed in The
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Speaker 2: Australian that the outgoing chairman, Grant King, was subjected to
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Speaker 2: an integrity and conflict of interest probe and it came
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Speaker 2: just after he supported calls for Australia to consider nuclear energy.
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Speaker 2: I don't think this is a coincidence, Nick, I think
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Speaker 2: they put the dogs on him as soon as soon
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Speaker 2: as he called for nuclear power.
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Speaker 14: What do you think, Well, here in the former bloc,
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Speaker 14: it feels to me like a Soviet purge, you know,
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Speaker 14: get rid of the person who's not towing the party line. Look,
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Speaker 14: this is clearly what is happening is that they want
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Speaker 14: yes men in that job. They want people that will
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Speaker 14: go along with the labor dogma, you know, which is
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Speaker 14: pro renewables and anti nuclear, and they've got that in
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Speaker 14: Matt Kean. I'd like to see Matt Kean, actually, I
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Speaker 14: think what he should do really do himself a favor
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Speaker 14: and just put all his cards on the table. I mean,
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Speaker 14: does he have interests in renewable energy? I have no idea,
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Speaker 14: but I think he needs to make that clear because
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Speaker 14: if he's going to be enormously pro renewables as he
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Speaker 14: seems to be, as he has been in the past,
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Speaker 14: then he needs to make clear that he's doing that
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Speaker 14: as an independent commissioner and not just as the mouthpiece
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Speaker 14: of the renewable energy barons. So that's I think the
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Speaker 14: emphasis on Matt Kean. If he's to be taken seriously
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Speaker 14: in this role, he's got to do that pretty quickly,
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Speaker 14: I think.
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Speaker 2: And let's go to Victoria. Pill testing there will start
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Speaker 2: come summer at the festivals, but police have argue that
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Speaker 2: festival goers could claim they're on the way to a
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Speaker 2: testing site in order to avoid searching. Police Association Victorious
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Speaker 2: secretary Wayne Gatt has warned pill testing, he says, diminishes
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Speaker 2: the illegality of illicit drug taking in a particular area
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Speaker 2: at a particular time and flies directly in the face
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Speaker 2: of long accepted policing principles. Personal responsibility. Well that's a
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Speaker 2: new one, isn't it. And the law, I mean, this
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Speaker 2: just gives that drug dealers john a free pass. I
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Speaker 2: mean they can take whatever they like now into these festivals.
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Speaker 2: It'll be a free zone. They can sell and fly
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Speaker 2: their trade and you know, we'll all bear the consequences.
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Speaker 13: We will our health system, families will break down. I
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Speaker 13: mean the problem with pill testing. And thank god for
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Speaker 13: the police Union. They're one across the country. Police unions
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Speaker 13: I've always found to be one of the more sensible
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Speaker 13: groups of employee representative groups, and they are speaking good
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Speaker 13: sense here. But aside from creating this loophole on legality,
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Speaker 13: pill testing fundamentally legitimizes what can only be described as illegitimate.
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Speaker 13: Drugs that are illicit, are harmful. There is no amount
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Speaker 13: of pill testing that can prevent them from being addictive,
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Speaker 13: prevent them from causing cognitive impairment, prevent them from all
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Speaker 13: sorts of other long term health issues. And the Allen government,
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Speaker 13: with their mad agenda to make everything free and happy
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Speaker 13: and wonderful like this is going to have so many
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Speaker 13: unintended consequences. So I so good on the Police Association,
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Speaker 13: and I hope that the Victorian Parliament hear what is
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Speaker 13: being said here and put some proper ring fence around this.
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Speaker 2: Nick John Howard was speaking at an event in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: It was an event for the new Liberal candidate in
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Speaker 2: the seat of Wentworth, which is of course held by
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Speaker 2: a Teal. He says the time for the Teals is up.
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Speaker 2: Have we got you there? Nick? Don't think we know. John,
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Speaker 2: I'll throw that one to you. John Howard says the
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Speaker 2: time for Teals is up. Sorry Nick Off, you go.
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Speaker 14: Yes, yeah, okay, Sorry Peter, I missed the end your question. No,
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Speaker 14: I agree with John Howard. I wouldn't actually put money
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Speaker 14: on it, because when you've got an independent in a seat,
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Speaker 14: as you know, it's somehow sometimes very very hard to
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Speaker 14: dislodge them. But I think what we now see is
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Speaker 14: the Teals are just another green brand. It's just a
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Speaker 14: luxury green brand. I think has a lot of us
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Speaker 14: spotted before the last election that it's nothing to do
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Speaker 14: with the Liberal Party or its values, and the idea
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Speaker 14: that they're a softer version of the Liberal Party is nonsense.
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Speaker 14: They've gone with labor and I think what you're seeing
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Speaker 14: now is that the chickens are coming home to roof
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Speaker 14: Over nuclear. We can see that every Teal MP that
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Speaker 14: I've seen so far has been against nuclear and pro renewables. Well,
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Speaker 14: if you look at the funding at the last election,
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Speaker 14: which mainly came from renewable energy barons through Climate two hundred,
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Speaker 14: you've got to ask, are you really getting the independent
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Speaker 14: voice that they promised.
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Speaker 2: I'll over there the A and U study on the
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Speaker 2: election that says that four out of five of the
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Speaker 2: till voters had never in their life voted liberal. So
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Speaker 2: do not think that they're disaffecting the bulls. Thank you, gentlemen.
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Speaker 2: Enjoy Budapest. Nick, we'll speak you next week, all right
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Speaker 2: after the Ray Kel Richards, welcome back. Kel. I'll bring
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Speaker 2: you straight in because I'm running short on time. I
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Speaker 2: think I'm guilty of this one. John wants to know
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Speaker 2: the correct pronunciation of contry. He says, is it lazy
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Speaker 2: people like me who say contry? Shouldn't we be saying contrariy?
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Speaker 2: What do you think?
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Speaker 15: No, we shouldn't, John, It's a very good question. But
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Speaker 15: the rear only exists in the American pronunciation of the word.
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Speaker 15: For Australians and the British, the pronunciing is contrary three syllables,
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Speaker 15: not two. But the Americans they make the first syllable
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Speaker 15: and as sound contrary. I don't say it like that
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Speaker 15: lesser American contrary? Can I quickly mention another question which yep,
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Speaker 15: running a monk and viewers asked for running a market.
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Speaker 15: It comes from a melee word. To run a mark
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Speaker 15: is to be on a murderous frenzy. Came into English
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Speaker 15: in fifteen eighty eight, and we still use it today.
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Speaker 2: All Right, I'll leave it there. I'm sorry, Kel, We'll
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Speaker 2: do better next week. That's it for me, see you tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: United six