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Chuck & Buck 1-5 Hour 4: MMQB with Mike Holmgren and Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: hom Grin and Hugh Millin.
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Speaker 2: Here's Chuck and.
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Speaker 3: Buck all right, nine o'clock hour here on this Monday,
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Speaker 3: Happy New Year to everyone. Great to have you with
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Speaker 3: us as we get back into the day routine around
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Speaker 3: these here parts. It's Chuck Powle, Bucky Jacobs and Ashley
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Speaker 3: Ryan with you here and of course our Monday Morning
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Speaker 3: Quarterback stars, Hugh Millan, who's been with us since eight o'clock,
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Speaker 3: and Mike Homer, who now joins us here in studio
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Speaker 3: at nine o'clock. I do want to mention because there's
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Speaker 3: a lot of news on Monday after the season ends.
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Speaker 3: Turns out we will have a new head coach in
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Speaker 3: the division next year. The Arizona Cardinals have decided to
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Speaker 3: let go Jonathan Gannon, despite reports here in the last
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Speaker 3: few days saying that he was safe and that they
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Speaker 3: were going to bring him back. They have let young
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Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon go there in Arizona. So a new direction
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Speaker 3: starting with the Cardinals going forward. All Right, we've got
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Speaker 3: great things to talk about around here. Number one seed,
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Speaker 3: a thirteen to three win over the San Francisco forty
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Speaker 3: nine ers to lock that up on Saturday night, and
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Speaker 3: Mike Homer now joins the conversation.
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Speaker 4: Happy new Year, Happy new Year. Guy's good to be.
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Speaker 2: Here, great to have you, great to see you.
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Speaker 3: And man, I mean, I can't imagine that there were
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Speaker 3: many times in your career where you're like this defensive
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Speaker 3: guy's got my number. And I can't imagine that Kyle
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Speaker 3: Shanahan's had too many experiences with that, but coach, I mean,
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Speaker 3: what was Mike McDonald doing to take everything away from
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Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan Saturday night?
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Speaker 5: You know what, It's a little bit of a puzzle
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Speaker 5: because the forty nine ers had looked so good offensively
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Speaker 5: prior to the game, and so I was a little surprised,
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Speaker 5: quite honestly. How many games were you score?
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Speaker 4: Thirteen?
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Speaker 6: Do you win?
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Speaker 4: You know? And they won?
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Speaker 5: And San Francisco they dominated. They dominated the forty nine ers,
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Speaker 5: I think, and Hugh touched on it earlier about what
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Speaker 5: they chose to do defensively in their lineup the Seahawks
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Speaker 5: and then how Kyle responded, and that was that I
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Speaker 5: would have responded toff diferently.
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Speaker 4: I might.
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Speaker 5: I'm not saying it would have worked, but I'm saying,
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Speaker 5: if you're all of a sudden playing against more nickel
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Speaker 5: and dime people at smaller guys a little bit, you know,
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Speaker 5: then I'm gonna go power. I'm not going to be
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Speaker 5: messing around with a lot of different different formations and
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Speaker 5: different personnels. Necessarily, I'm going to keep that fullback. We're
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Speaker 5: gonna we're gonna run at you and then see how
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Speaker 5: you handle that. Because that defense, I'm sorry, you no please,
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Speaker 5: But the defense the way that the way we set up,
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Speaker 5: you know, obviously they have aggressive guys in the secondary,
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Speaker 5: and uh, it worked. But I thought Kyle kind of
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Speaker 5: almost played into the Seahawks hands just a little bit.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 7: I think what Mike might say, Mike McDonald might say,
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Speaker 7: is that he says, hey, we're nickel. But you know,
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Speaker 7: last year we had Witherspoon who was one hundred and
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Speaker 7: eighty one pounds at the combine. This year we have
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Speaker 7: Nick and worry as Nicol who was exactly two hundred
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Speaker 7: and twenty pounds at the combine. So we've gained thirty
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Speaker 7: nine pounds there. And so when they play him, Mike,
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Speaker 7: you know, terminology, I think we'd use as just Nicol Sam.
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Speaker 7: He's just a Nicol Sam, right, like a Sam backer.
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Speaker 7: And yet so I think he would say, we feel
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Speaker 7: like we almost have linebacker type of size, you know,
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Speaker 7: at two twenty.
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Speaker 2: But then how.
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Speaker 7: About Mike forty nine ers? This is not forty nine
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Speaker 7: or football. They had Kyle Yushchev on the field for
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Speaker 7: nineteen plays, but they only had him in the backfield once.
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Speaker 7: They were doing this thing where he'd started the wing
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Speaker 7: when the balls snapped with the wing. He try and
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Speaker 7: run backwards and then try and be a lead blocker.
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Speaker 7: But you know, you know, probably something looked good on
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Speaker 7: a whiteboard, but they never really got to the physicality
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Speaker 7: part that you suggest that you would have tried to
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Speaker 7: get to.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and your point about looking good on the whiteboard.
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Speaker 5: You know, you get in the room and you start creating,
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Speaker 5: and you're with your coaching staff and you're you got
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Speaker 5: all these great plays and all these things. Well, that's
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Speaker 5: all well and good. That's all well and good, until
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Speaker 5: you try and do that in the game and it
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Speaker 5: doesn't work. We've talked about it how many times this
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Speaker 5: year that it's not working.
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Speaker 4: Go to plan B. What's Plan B.
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Speaker 5: Put put Usha in the backfield, let him be the
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Speaker 5: lead blocker and see if that works. See what happens there,
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Speaker 5: you know, because it's worked for us in the past.
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Speaker 5: So having said all that, however, you can't take anything
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Speaker 5: away from what Mike Mike McDonald has put together defensively
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Speaker 5: and how that defensive team plays. I got a feeling
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Speaker 5: watching the game, you guys, that emotionally it wasn't it
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Speaker 5: wasn't even close. Forget about the x's and o's and
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Speaker 5: all that stuff. It just seemed like there was a
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Speaker 5: lot more fire on the seox side to me than
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Speaker 5: the forty nine er side.
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Speaker 8: Does it look like their peeking at the right time?
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Speaker 8: And defensively they most certainly are, but oftenlatively, you know,
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Speaker 8: they they did enough and it never felt like the
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Speaker 8: game was really in question because of what you said,
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Speaker 8: just the overall atmosphere and the way in which the
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Speaker 8: defense was playing. But it does it feel like this
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Speaker 8: team is kind of, you know, rising at the right time.
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Speaker 5: I think so, Buck, and I think the the although
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Speaker 5: like I said, thirteen points usually doesn't win.
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Speaker 4: For you, you know.
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Speaker 5: So there's still some hope, I mean, still some feeling
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Speaker 5: about the offensive team offensive side of the ball. Although
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Speaker 5: the running game was look good, you know, and that
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Speaker 5: that seems to be there, that seems to be getting better,
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Speaker 5: and how they they're using Walker and Sharbonne and because
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Speaker 5: we've talked about it again all year that some games
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Speaker 5: they didn't do much and then we go why are
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Speaker 5: they doing this? And but that that seems to be
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Speaker 5: clicking a little bit better now and that will help
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Speaker 5: Sam Darnold, you know.
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Speaker 4: And so.
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Speaker 5: You get into the playoffs, you're playing the best teams
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Speaker 5: that finish the season, and you just have to be
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Speaker 5: at your best. And I think offensively, I'm not sure
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Speaker 5: we've seen that yet.
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Speaker 4: We saw it a couple.
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Speaker 5: Times during the season, but consistently it hasn't been exactly
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Speaker 5: the same.
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Speaker 3: I would ask you that because I certainly wanted to
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Speaker 3: discuss this before our time expired here today, and so Hugh,
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you the same conversation. I mean,
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Speaker 3: all the Hayes in the Barn.
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Speaker 2: Fourteen to three, got the number one seed.
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Speaker 3: You get to a week to rest up, get healthy.
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Speaker 3: Looks like they're going to be the healthiest team in
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Speaker 3: the league two weeks from now. What concerns, if any,
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Speaker 3: do you have as they get ready for this postseason run.
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Speaker 3: And he I'll start with you, and maybe they don't
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Speaker 3: have any. Maybe you're just like, just keep doing what
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Speaker 3: you're doing. That's the only the advice that I would give.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think they got to work on the red
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Speaker 7: zone and the red zone frings, you know that the
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Speaker 7: friends being you know, the area you know, call it
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Speaker 7: the thirty five forty you know, just kind of like
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Speaker 7: you're almost in in Myers field goal territory. I think
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Speaker 7: that they they've installed there, and I think the big
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Speaker 7: play standpoint. I almost wonder if Sam, like there was
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Speaker 7: a play.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 7: I know i'm gonna say this on the radio. I'm
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Speaker 7: gonna give the impression that this was happening all over.
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Speaker 7: It was not happening all over. But there was a
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Speaker 7: play Mike where they're trying to get Jackson Smith and
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Speaker 7: Jigbaw on a you know deep angle cross right to left. Guys,
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Speaker 7: that's an intermediate crossing route and you got to check down.
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Speaker 7: But you're gonna have a clear out generally, and then
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Speaker 7: you know, it can be a post, it can be
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Speaker 7: a go. Well, on this case, you got Rashichi head
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Speaker 7: on a high angle corner. So he's on Sam Donald's left.
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Speaker 7: He lines up on the left, he starts like he's
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Speaker 7: going to the middle field, and then he goes high
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Speaker 7: to the back, piling on the left a flag you know,
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Speaker 7: high flag route, and then you're gonna have JSN schematically
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Speaker 7: uh from the right side fit into that area intermediate
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Speaker 7: under But but you've got Rashichi heat. Clear that out. Man,
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Speaker 7: I'm looking at that. I would tell fourteen Mike, I'd say, hey,
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Speaker 7: crank that thing.
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Speaker 4: Up.
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Speaker 2: Just throw it high to the sideline.
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Speaker 4: Give him a chance.
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Speaker 2: You might.
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Speaker 7: You know, it looks like he's got a step, maybe
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Speaker 7: a step and a half. Just go let him go,
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Speaker 7: you know, get the ball, maybe you get a pass interference,
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Speaker 7: or you're loosen him up. So I think maybe just like,
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Speaker 7: let's let's take a couple of big shots. What's the
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Speaker 7: last time we saw a go route up the sideline,
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Speaker 7: you know, or a post route where you try and
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Speaker 7: beat quarters coverage. So that would be a couple of
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Speaker 7: things I'd want to get out of the offense.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that because of how everyone's been
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Speaker 5: talking about Sam all year and for the last two years,
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Speaker 5: probably there might be a little part of him. Yep,
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Speaker 5: that doesn't want to take that chance. I'm not saying that,
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Speaker 5: but I'm guessing here. But here, you know what an
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Speaker 5: interesting thing, Chuck to your point about having a number
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Speaker 5: one seed. The experience I had with the forty nine
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Speaker 5: ers with coach Walsh. We we had a great year, dominated
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Speaker 5: had the had the first round by m HM, so
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Speaker 5: we had two weeks to prepare. Then we played Minnesota
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Speaker 5: in that game and they beat us. They came in
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Speaker 5: and beat us in San Francisco and it was horrible.
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Speaker 5: And we tried to analyze why for those two weeks
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Speaker 5: we we prepared for two teams. We didn't know who
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Speaker 5: we were going to play, so you're prepared. And and
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Speaker 5: Bill later said, I made a mistake, you know, because
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Speaker 5: we prepared for and we practiced like crazy for two weeks,
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Speaker 5: and we practiced. By the time we got to the game,
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Speaker 5: we didn't have any juice. It seemed like left and
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Speaker 5: then we had practiced for against two teams, two different teams.
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Speaker 5: You know, it just was there. The preparation and how
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Speaker 5: they do it now is going to be huge. I
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Speaker 5: don't know how Mike's going to do it, but.
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Speaker 4: But it's the whole team kai.
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Speaker 5: Oh no, they can all fit in that theater, that's right. No,
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Speaker 5: but I think no, but that's going to be huge
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Speaker 5: how he does that.
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Speaker 3: Monday morning quarterback session with Hugh and with coach here
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Speaker 3: this morning, as we have a lot of sea our
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Speaker 3: things to discuss, and look, you brought it up a
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Speaker 3: couple of times, so let's dive into this topic of conversation,
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Speaker 3: and that is the offense, having only scored thirteen points,
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Speaker 3: even though they played well, felt like they were moving
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Speaker 3: the ball. They had a couple of really impressive drives,
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Speaker 3: one at the beginning of the game and an eight
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Speaker 3: minute drive at the end of the game.
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Speaker 2: So what is it?
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Speaker 3: What are the finer two points that you felt that
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Speaker 3: they had an issue with. Does it just boil down
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Speaker 3: to Jason Myers having a bad game or was there
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Speaker 3: more to it?
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Speaker 5: No, well, he that was unusual. You know where that's automatic.
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Speaker 5: So there's yeah, usually six points, you know. I mean,
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Speaker 5: so then instead of thirteen, it's nineteen, but it's still
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Speaker 5: field goals. There's still field goals instead of touchdowns. And
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Speaker 5: Hugh brought it up earlier. You know the red zone
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Speaker 5: and what you do down there and have the plan
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Speaker 5: for the red zone, and you know, again that was
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Speaker 5: my baby. So if we came away with field goals
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Speaker 5: instead of touchdowns, I blame myself. I don't know how
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Speaker 5: they set it up. But there was a couple of
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Speaker 5: fourth down situations there that they didn't convert. I thought
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Speaker 5: Sam missed a touchdown and an easy touchdown throw down
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Speaker 5: in there close and took a sack that got them
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Speaker 5: out of position. So the fourth down, the red zone,
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Speaker 5: red zone. To answer your question, and then if you're
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Speaker 5: gonna go for it on fourth down instead of taking
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Speaker 5: the points, it better be the play on your sheet.
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Speaker 5: This is guaranteed to win. This is guaranteed to happen,
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Speaker 5: and it's they've struggled with that just a little bit.
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Speaker 7: Let's talk about what you said there, the playdown on
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Speaker 7: the goal line. I think a lot of fans are
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Speaker 7: you know, just talking about the philosophy. And of course
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Speaker 7: nobody wants to see Darnold take a sack. I couldn't
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Speaker 7: believe Anthony Bradford Mike on a turn protection they got,
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Speaker 7: you know, full right guard turning left, there's only three
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Speaker 7: guys to block. There's a delayed blitz. I don't know
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Speaker 7: how Anthony Bradford doesn't see that guy and come off
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Speaker 7: of them, but it was like he had blinders on.
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Speaker 7: But at any rate, not absolving Sam Darnold. If I'm
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Speaker 7: coaching them, as you said, you know you'll get at
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Speaker 7: least one minus on that. But but just the philosophy
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Speaker 7: of what happened down there, not taking the field goals,
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Speaker 7: the decision to throw the ball on first and goal
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Speaker 7: from the one. What'd you make of all that sequence
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Speaker 7: early on in the game.
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Speaker 5: Well, they're don They had a great drive and they're
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Speaker 5: on the one yard line, so I'm not a post
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Speaker 5: to them throwing on first down. It surrives me a
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Speaker 5: little bit the way they were running, you know, but
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Speaker 5: you have four downs and you're on the one yard line.
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Speaker 5: You're thinking, okay, I could run four quarterback snakes and
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Speaker 5: get it in.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 5: Somehow I got to get it in. But they went
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Speaker 5: for a pass on first down, which is the down
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Speaker 5: to do it. That's the down to do it if
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Speaker 5: you're going to throw the ball because everyone's geared up,
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Speaker 5: everyone's kind of got their tail up, and they're going
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Speaker 5: to stop you from getting that one yard. I thought
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Speaker 5: that type of play we used to run a lot,
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Speaker 5: and the throw was not I'm not talking about the
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Speaker 5: play they ran. The play we used to run, well,
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Speaker 5: very similar. The throw was to the guy in the flat.
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Speaker 5: That was the guy. You design the play to get
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Speaker 5: that guy open, and you're not looking anyplace else, really,
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Speaker 5: or you don't have time for that, and it's first down.
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Speaker 5: If you don't have me throw it away, come back
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Speaker 5: second down.
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Speaker 4: On the one. You know.
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Speaker 5: And to me, I guess he couldn't see him, but
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Speaker 5: on the TV he looked to be open. I mean
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Speaker 5: that that was the guy I thought he was supposed
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Speaker 5: to throw the ball to, so and I'm going, oh no,
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Speaker 5: And then the sack just adds on to that. So
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Speaker 5: you either hit that guy in the flat or you
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Speaker 5: throw it away and you come back second and go
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Speaker 5: from the one. That was what bothered me more than
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Speaker 5: anything else.
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Speaker 7: Well, Mike, let's talk about the scheme there, because because
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Speaker 7: I always say the precisions the details right, and and
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Speaker 7: Kubiak elected schematically, is it fair to say that usually
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Speaker 7: on that play there in ifirmation green right, your your
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Speaker 7: green formation, Yes, that the full back from the ifirmation,
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Speaker 7: and you would often set it to green strong where
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Speaker 7: the fullback is a little bit offset to the playside.
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Speaker 7: But but the fullback's gonna bluff and that he's in
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Speaker 7: the flat is how it's typically done right, right, But Seattle,
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Speaker 7: and I know we had Fox two and Hound two
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Speaker 7: and Hound four and all that stuff, But just for
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Speaker 7: the for the listeners, the decision, am I gonna have
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Speaker 7: the full back in the flat? Or am I gonna
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Speaker 7: have the full back blot and then the tailback from
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Speaker 7: the ifirmation he's gonna run a flat. Obviously, affects the timing.
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Speaker 7: I think you're right. I sent a photo. Maybe Chuck
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Speaker 7: and Buck can show you the photo of of where
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Speaker 7: it was from Darnald's perspective. The block just happened to
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Speaker 7: line up in his vision, I think. And it just,
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Speaker 7: you know, one of those things that happens where it's
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Speaker 7: clearly wide open, but the block blocks his vision. And
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Speaker 7: and maybe Darnold is quick to get off because that
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Speaker 7: it's the tailback, not the fullback who's in the flat
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Speaker 7: a little bit later, messes with your timing a little bit.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I you know, I understand what you're saying, but
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Speaker 5: I would say, just if that's the play, stay with
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Speaker 5: it a little longer. You got to move out of there,
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Speaker 5: Stay with it a little longer if you might still
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Speaker 5: have him. I think they. I think he still would
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Speaker 5: have had him, but he decided to stop. And I'm
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Speaker 5: trying to remember exactly what his footwork was. But and
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Speaker 5: you know that, but I just say, stay with it,
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Speaker 5: you know, and then if you don't get it, you
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Speaker 5: come back and you got another play on that one.
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Speaker 8: Do you agree with the not taking the points right there?
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Speaker 8: I mean, you have them backed up with your defense
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Speaker 8: and like I think they were at the four yard
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Speaker 8: line when they went forward on fourth down, and so
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Speaker 8: it's like, well, if we don't get it, then you know,
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Speaker 8: if we can stop them down here, if our defense
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Speaker 8: comes out in place. But this is before you'd seen
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Speaker 8: what your defense was going to do to their offense.
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Speaker 8: Do you take the points there or do you like,
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Speaker 8: we'll find we'll pin them if we turned it over
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Speaker 8: on downs?
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Speaker 5: I think I probably, I probably disagree with my friends
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Speaker 5: sitting across from me here, but I take the points.
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Speaker 4: You know, I would take the points.
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Speaker 2: I would have taken them, and that's would yeah, and
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Speaker 2: that's the guestion.
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Speaker 3: But I do understand the logic of what he's accomplishing, Like, hey,
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Speaker 3: even if we don't get it, we've got him pinned
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Speaker 3: back and get the ball back.
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Speaker 4: And that's an interesting look at it, you know.
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Speaker 2: Just the wrong one.
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Speaker 5: Look, I know it's hard for you to agree with me.
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Speaker 5: You were good to the first one, and then you
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Speaker 5: know that you don't have to add.
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Speaker 4: That little.
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Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this. I mean, you were
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Speaker 2: an offensive guy.
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Speaker 3: My guess is you don't have a lot of pillows
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Speaker 3: that are you know that are monogram defense wins championships. No, yeah, uh.
17:58
Speaker 3: And yet there have been a few over the years.
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Speaker 3: Eighty five Bears, Ravens. Ravens, they had a team defense
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Speaker 3: one champion. There have been a few that have won championships.
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Speaker 3: When you look at this Mike McDonald defense, do you think.
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Speaker 4: That can win the championship? Right there? That defense.
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Speaker 5: They're good enough to win the championship? Can they do
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Speaker 5: it by themselves? I don't think so. I Well, that's
18:23
Speaker 5: that's the offensive guy talking now, you know, because you
18:27
Speaker 5: got to have you got to score more than thirteen points.
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Speaker 5: You got to score more than sixteen points. I think
18:32
Speaker 5: when you get into the playoffs and you play start
18:35
Speaker 5: playing the teams that have a little bit more juice
18:38
Speaker 5: than some teams.
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Speaker 7: All right, yeah, So do you think from a standpoint
18:45
Speaker 7: of how that play calling went, do you just keep
18:50
Speaker 7: leaning on the running game and be you know, content,
18:53
Speaker 7: you know, keeping it in the teams type of thing.
18:56
Speaker 7: As you said, you make the field goals as nineteen
18:58
Speaker 7: to three, or does that do you say, hey, the
19:02
Speaker 7: running game is going to really give us an opportunity
19:04
Speaker 7: to go play pass on first down and try and
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Speaker 7: get some chunk plays.
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Speaker 4: How would you balance that?
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Speaker 2: Do you think that they have the right balance right now.
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Speaker 5: I think they do. You know, there's as the game.
19:20
Speaker 5: Every game is different. So as this game went along,
19:22
Speaker 5: look at it the Rams, go ahead, go back to
19:24
Speaker 5: the Rams game thirty eight, thirty seven or whatever it was,
19:28
Speaker 5: you know, and then this game is different. So you're
19:30
Speaker 5: going through the game and you're on the sideline. You're thinking,
19:34
Speaker 5: these guys can't score, they can't do anything against us,
19:37
Speaker 5: So you start thinking about how reckless or how how
19:46
Speaker 5: exaggerated you want to be on offense as opposed to
19:48
Speaker 5: let's just we'll kick the field goals, we can get
19:51
Speaker 5: to sixteen nineteen. They're not going to do anything, So
19:53
Speaker 5: that enters in. But yeah, the way the running game
19:57
Speaker 5: was going, I run the ball, stay with it, but
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Speaker 5: then playpass screen. I'm always you got to do that too,
20:04
Speaker 5: and then you still should work.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and take the points when you get them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike Olmgren, you mellan with us some more. Monday
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Speaker 3: It's Monday morning, Quarterback, so much more to discuss, so
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Speaker 2: How about that Hugh Millan is with us.
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Speaker 3: We've also got Mike homerun with us, Ashley Bucky Chuck
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Speaker 3: with you here on this Monday.
21:08
Speaker 2: Happy New Year to everyone.
21:09
Speaker 3: Your football team's really good and they've accomplished what they
21:13
Speaker 3: set out to accomplish as far as the regular season goes.
21:17
Speaker 3: And I know we got a lot of different areas
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Speaker 3: to cover, but I didn't want to get through the
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Speaker 3: hour without talking about your friend John schneider Man. Two seasons,
21:28
Speaker 3: two big decisions head coach and quarterback. And it couldn't
21:32
Speaker 3: have been easy. I mean, it's not like Pete was
21:34
Speaker 3: doing a terrible job and Gino was a terrible quarterback.
21:37
Speaker 3: It wasn't easy decisions, and yet he pulls the trigger
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Speaker 3: coach on both of those decisions, and they couldn't have
21:44
Speaker 3: worked out better in my estimation anyway. I mean, just
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Speaker 3: talk about the job John Schneider's done here in the
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Speaker 3: last eighteen months to get this team to where.
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Speaker 4: It is right now.
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, he's really done a great job. You know,
21:57
Speaker 5: those are big, big decisions to make, and usually if
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Speaker 5: it doesn't work, then you're you're in a little trouble,
22:04
Speaker 5: you know, but you can't worry about that. You got,
22:06
Speaker 5: you know, And I would say Leonard Williams, I would
22:08
Speaker 5: say Jones. I would say he's made the moves he's
22:11
Speaker 5: made in the last couple of years, you know, have
22:13
Speaker 5: gotten the team to where they are. I remember going
22:16
Speaker 5: in telling him before you hired Mike, I said, I
22:19
Speaker 5: think you ought to hire an offensive coach, and so
22:22
Speaker 5: he thought, you know, we had we had a nice discussion.
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Speaker 5: I've known him forever, and uh, unfortunately he didn't listen
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Speaker 5: to me, you know, and he hired Mike. But he
22:31
Speaker 5: sent me John was in San Francisco and he sent
22:33
Speaker 5: me a really nice text. He was he was at
22:35
Speaker 5: the hotel and he said I'm at the hotel. We're
22:39
Speaker 5: about ready to leave to go to the stadium, and
22:41
Speaker 5: I was just reflecting on thirty years ago and Green Bay.
22:45
Speaker 5: We came in to play San Francisco there, and you
22:47
Speaker 5: let Regie McKenzie and I come with you on the plane,
22:51
Speaker 5: and you won the game, and he thanked ron Wolf
22:55
Speaker 5: and me and all this came. It was just really nice,
22:58
Speaker 5: nice way to start the new year. But I'm so
23:01
Speaker 5: very happy for him because he was finally I don't
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Speaker 5: know exactly how they worked it when he and Pete
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Speaker 5: were together. I'm sure there was a lot of give
23:10
Speaker 5: and take and all that, but I don't know who
23:11
Speaker 5: made the final call. But now john is in a
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Speaker 5: position now and they gave him the final call and
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Speaker 5: it's paid off.
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Speaker 4: He's done a great job.
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Speaker 7: Mike, that's a great story. You deserve that. But I
23:24
Speaker 7: want to pick up on that. Why did you say
23:28
Speaker 7: that he should get an offensive coach? Obviously Pete had
23:31
Speaker 7: been a defensive coach, and and and just as a review,
23:37
Speaker 7: I think that what they wanted was to get a
23:40
Speaker 7: brilliant mind, and they really had their mind on Ben
23:44
Speaker 7: Johnson on the offensive side of the ball. And then
23:47
Speaker 7: Mike McDaniel on the Mike McDonald on the defensive side
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Speaker 7: of the ball, and they, you know, once they interviewed McDonald,
23:54
Speaker 7: they just said, this guy's got the juice, this is
23:56
Speaker 7: the this is the dude. But you know, there are
23:59
Speaker 7: some people's say, well, if you if if you hire
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Speaker 7: a defensive coach and then your quarterback and your offense
24:06
Speaker 7: really hums, You're going to lose your coordinator in this
24:08
Speaker 7: case Kubiak, and then that's going to really set the
24:12
Speaker 7: offense back. But why did you want them to have
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Speaker 7: an offensive coach? And and and what about that component
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Speaker 7: of it?
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Speaker 5: Well, again, I was thinking for my own history and
24:23
Speaker 5: how I you know, I thought it was easier for
24:28
Speaker 5: me to do, you know, if I wanted to call
24:30
Speaker 5: the players who offensively to find the right defensive coordinator,
24:35
Speaker 5: to find that guy and then hand it to him,
24:38
Speaker 5: which I did, And.
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Speaker 4: I thought that was an easier path.
24:42
Speaker 5: And then based on what they had gone through for
24:46
Speaker 5: the last couple of years, uh with the offense in Seattle,
24:51
Speaker 5: I thought it was my own it was my own
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Speaker 5: feeling that enter into that, you know. And and John,
24:58
Speaker 5: I think if if John the Chicago Bear coach, Ben
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Speaker 5: Jon Johnson. I believe they hied they interviewed him as well,
25:06
Speaker 5: and my feeling was that that that did not go well.
25:10
Speaker 5: I don't know what that means exactly, but so it
25:14
Speaker 5: has turned out. I told Jack, I'm glad he didn't
25:19
Speaker 5: listen to me, you know, but he was going to
25:21
Speaker 5: do his own thing. I was just kind of thing
25:22
Speaker 5: having some fun with him and saying, you know, you
25:25
Speaker 5: know what, you need a guy that really call the
25:27
Speaker 5: plays and do all that kind of stuff. And so
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Speaker 5: it was more like one of those conversations coach.
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Speaker 8: I mean with the playoffs, you know, they get to
25:35
Speaker 8: take this week offen, sit back and get healed up
25:37
Speaker 8: and rest and see who they're gonna play. Of the
25:40
Speaker 8: teams in the NFC, which would be the one that
25:43
Speaker 8: you think they maybe would want to avoid in the
25:47
Speaker 8: first round, Rams Niners? Is it that easy or is
25:52
Speaker 8: it just it doesn't matter? Bring on all comers?
25:55
Speaker 10: Is it?
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Speaker 6: Eagles, Bears, Packers? Do you worry about them?
25:57
Speaker 4: Well?
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Speaker 5: I think they've played you know, I'm I'm not so
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Speaker 5: worried about the Packers right now because they seem to
26:03
Speaker 5: be struggling. To me, well, they've lost five in a row.
26:06
Speaker 5: I mean it's it's not. But I think the Eagles
26:09
Speaker 5: will will cause problems for anybody they play. Yeah, but
26:15
Speaker 5: I think the Rams, to me, the Rams, the Rams
26:20
Speaker 5: are right up there at the top. I think they're
26:23
Speaker 5: They're the Seahawks and the Rams are, in my opinion,
26:26
Speaker 5: the two best teams in the NFC.
26:29
Speaker 2: Do we have the quarterback to win at all?
26:31
Speaker 3: I mean, there seem to be a lot of critics
26:34
Speaker 3: out there of Sam Donald and they won't go away.
26:37
Speaker 3: I had buddies nationally texting why does Sam Donald always
26:41
Speaker 3: get criticized?
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know. I get it early
26:44
Speaker 2: in his career because he wasn't playing well.
26:46
Speaker 3: He's played really well the last two years, but he
26:49
Speaker 3: certainly hasn't proven he can win a super Bowl. To
26:53
Speaker 3: this point in his NFL career, he hasn't even proven
26:55
Speaker 3: he can have playoff success. So what makes this Sam
26:59
Speaker 3: different than the one that we've seen in the past.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think he is different.
27:02
Speaker 5: I think he's he's I think he's played very well
27:04
Speaker 5: this year and everyone will point to that four interception game,
27:08
Speaker 5: but that hasn't happened since he's and he's been sacked
27:11
Speaker 5: a couple of times that play in the game I
27:13
Speaker 5: didn't like, you know, but I don't think Sam. There
27:17
Speaker 5: are some teams I refer to my friend Andy Reid
27:21
Speaker 5: in Kansas City the last few years that mahomes kind
27:25
Speaker 5: of won the games for them, and I don't think
27:29
Speaker 5: Sam Donald. I don't think they're asking him to do that.
27:33
Speaker 5: I think we've got this great defense we got now
27:36
Speaker 5: establishing a really pretty good running game. He has proven
27:40
Speaker 5: he can do, but he doesn't have to win it
27:42
Speaker 5: by himself, and so I think that's the difference than
27:46
Speaker 5: some of the teams that have won Super Bowls in
27:47
Speaker 5: the past.
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Speaker 2: But he won't get in the way of them.
27:49
Speaker 5: When no, I don't think so. I think I think
27:52
Speaker 5: you know, I'm gonna stick with him all the way.
27:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike.
27:57
Speaker 7: Is part of the calculus for Sam Donald at thirty
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Speaker 7: three and a half million, which you know, it's hard
28:04
Speaker 7: to say that's a bargain, but the fact is it's
28:07
Speaker 7: the eighteenth highest paid on an average basis, and to
28:11
Speaker 7: have him under contracted that in those terms, I'll give
28:14
Speaker 7: you a couple guys to Marcus Lawrence. You pick him up,
28:17
Speaker 7: he goes to the Pro Bowl, and I can't overstate
28:22
Speaker 7: that the Josh Jones playing left tackle in the last
28:26
Speaker 7: three weeks two of the two biggest games of the year.
28:30
Speaker 7: You haven't had Charles Cross, right, it's been Josh Jones
28:33
Speaker 7: and it's been very quiet over there at left tackle,
28:36
Speaker 7: which is a good thing. And he was four million,
28:39
Speaker 7: his predecessor was one point two million. You could maybe
28:42
Speaker 7: infer that that the money you're saving with Donald you
28:45
Speaker 7: can get guys like DeMarcus Lawrence and backups like Josh Jones.
28:49
Speaker 7: How much of that component do you when you kind
28:52
Speaker 7: of think of the team and how it's structured. They say, okay,
28:56
Speaker 7: that enters into how we evaluate Sam Darnold.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think you know, like you said, it's hard
29:02
Speaker 5: to say he's only making thirty three million. I mean,
29:08
Speaker 5: you know, uh, but but you're right, and some teams
29:12
Speaker 5: that have to pop huge for the quarterback. You you
29:17
Speaker 5: you lose some good players at other positions because the
29:21
Speaker 5: way that salary cap is set up, so he he's
29:26
Speaker 5: going to be who he is, and if he continues
29:29
Speaker 5: to be who he is, his next deal, because he's
29:34
Speaker 5: not that his next deal.
29:35
Speaker 4: Now you're gonna have to make this crappy thirty three million.
29:37
Speaker 5: No, No, he can eat, you know, he doesn't. He can
29:39
Speaker 5: he can eat at a nice restaurant instead of a
29:41
Speaker 5: coffee shop.
29:42
Speaker 6: You know.
29:43
Speaker 5: But no, But then then we'll see how it gets juggled,
29:47
Speaker 5: because we've talked about it before on the show. You know,
29:50
Speaker 5: every once in a while, the super Bowl timing and
29:55
Speaker 5: your roster timing gets different once that quarterback gets paid
30:00
Speaker 5: fifty million, And so you're gonna reference your friend Andy
30:04
Speaker 5: Reid again, that's right there you go. I mean, look
30:06
Speaker 5: at how dominant they were when they weren't having to
30:09
Speaker 5: pay him, and even though he gives them a little
30:11
Speaker 5: bit of a break. I don't think it's a coincidence.
30:15
Speaker 5: You know, it's not the tire equation, But I don't
30:17
Speaker 5: think it's a coincidence that they're not as good since
30:20
Speaker 5: they've had to actually pay them. Well, didn't they talk
30:22
Speaker 5: about that Brady doing that for a long time on
30:24
Speaker 5: New England. I think they're probably they're probably stashing something somewhere, probably,
30:30
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, I mean no, I could be right,
30:33
Speaker 5: Atriot's never no, of course they don't, yeah no, but
30:36
Speaker 5: you know they Yeah, if a quarterback's willing to do that,
30:40
Speaker 5: most of them are not, certainly their agents are not.
30:45
Speaker 8: Yeah, coach, I mean there's been a lot of talk
30:47
Speaker 8: about Sam and then the turnovers, and understandably so, and
30:51
Speaker 8: yet I think that all of us agree in order
30:54
Speaker 8: to make that thing go, you're gonna have to sometimes
30:56
Speaker 8: try to fit it in windows.
30:57
Speaker 6: An interception are gonna happen? To me?
30:59
Speaker 8: My bigger concern the fumbles, right, And so I'm wondering
31:02
Speaker 8: a couple of things that he almost had a fumble
31:04
Speaker 8: when it was a ten to three game. He did
31:06
Speaker 8: have a fumble, he got stepped on, and then it's
31:08
Speaker 8: going down and the handoff went south and luckily Charbonnay
31:12
Speaker 8: got on that ball. Otherwise they're right in position to
31:15
Speaker 8: possibly tie the game up, even after dominating the way
31:18
Speaker 8: that they had all the way into the fourth quarter
31:20
Speaker 8: when that happened.
31:21
Speaker 6: What do you teach a guy about.
31:24
Speaker 8: I mean, sometimes it's just as possible if you don't
31:26
Speaker 8: see the guy coming from behind you and he, you know,
31:28
Speaker 8: hits your arm and you knocks it out.
31:30
Speaker 6: That's what it is.
31:30
Speaker 8: But is there something that you taught a guy of, Hey,
31:33
Speaker 8: we really got to do this to make sure when
31:36
Speaker 8: I get hit that it's not dislodging the ball, because
31:39
Speaker 8: I think that could be a bugaboo that would come
31:42
Speaker 8: back to haunt them if it happens in the playoffs.
31:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think yes.
31:46
Speaker 5: First of all, you talk about it and there are
31:48
Speaker 5: drills that you do to get his mind thinking, Okay,
31:52
Speaker 5: I get this kind of pressure, I'm getting squeezed. This
31:55
Speaker 5: is what I do with the ball. There are drills
31:57
Speaker 5: to do that. Now, how he processed is that and
32:03
Speaker 5: does it help him or does it I keep seeing
32:05
Speaker 5: the same thing or what? I can't answer that for him,
32:09
Speaker 5: but absolutely absolutely there are things you talk about and
32:12
Speaker 5: in their drills to help fix that. But you know what, guys,
32:16
Speaker 5: I think until he wins the Super Bowl, ye, people
32:21
Speaker 5: are going to be talking about Sam Darnold in a
32:24
Speaker 5: in a in a kind of a question different way.
32:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, hear what your thoughts on the fumbles situation?
32:32
Speaker 7: Yeah, you'd you'd rather not fumble than fumble. I think
32:36
Speaker 7: that there's they're not all created equal. I mean, I
32:39
Speaker 7: think if you're draw if you separate your hands and
32:43
Speaker 7: you're in the process of throwing, and your eyes are
32:47
Speaker 7: taking to you to a certain portion of the field
32:50
Speaker 7: in one angle of your field of view, and somebody
32:53
Speaker 7: from an area you couldn't expect to see he hits you.
32:56
Speaker 7: You know, I think that that's absolvable, right. I do
33:01
Speaker 7: think that it's you know, the turnover worthy plays that
33:06
Speaker 7: Pro football focus on tracks they try and you know,
33:10
Speaker 7: they say that that kind of takes some of the
33:12
Speaker 7: luck out of it. So Sam Donald, as we know,
33:17
Speaker 7: he has twenty turnovers, he's judged to have nineteen turnover
33:21
Speaker 7: worthy plays. So of all the quarterbacks, there's only three
33:26
Speaker 7: quarterbacks who are at one hundred percent or more. The
33:29
Speaker 7: most unlucky guy this year is Jared Goff. He's got
33:33
Speaker 7: one hundred and eight percent of them, but Sam Donald's
33:36
Speaker 7: out one hundred and five percent. The average you take
33:41
Speaker 7: out the Donald, the average is seventy one percent of
33:44
Speaker 7: your turnover worthy plays are going to result in turnovers,
33:48
Speaker 7: you know. And for example, Caleb Williams, only half of
33:52
Speaker 7: his turnover worthy plays has resulted. So I think he's
33:54
Speaker 7: been a little bit unlucky. And then the other part
33:57
Speaker 7: of it is Mike that the ratio of Big Time
34:02
Speaker 7: throws to UH to turnover worthy on plays. Sam Darnold
34:09
Speaker 7: is well above the median, and he's above Drake May
34:13
Speaker 7: who's supposed to be you know, first or second in
34:16
Speaker 7: the MVP. He's above Justin Herbert, He's above Trevor Lawrence,
34:19
Speaker 7: He's above Patrick Mahomes, c J. Stroud, Lamar Jackson like so, so, yes,
34:24
Speaker 7: he's got more turnover worthy plays than you'd like. He
34:28
Speaker 7: has been in lucky in the way I've said it,
34:30
Speaker 7: But Mike, he's offsetting that with with you know, these
34:33
Speaker 7: these categories where he's number one in the NFL and
34:36
Speaker 7: in deep throws and and uh passer rating when deep
34:40
Speaker 7: and as I said, the Racio big time throw to
34:42
Speaker 7: turnover worthy plays is very favorable compared to some of
34:46
Speaker 7: those guys I just mentioned.
34:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why, excuse me, that's why I think I
34:53
Speaker 5: understood what you said. You know, everyone a while he
34:58
Speaker 5: hasked to, you know, coach me up a little. But no,
35:01
Speaker 5: that's why I'm in his corner. And and and you
35:04
Speaker 5: know what, it's he's not going to have to do
35:08
Speaker 5: this by himself though with this team. I don't think.
35:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's saying the big play Sam Donald makes makes
35:15
Speaker 3: up for the additional the additional risks that he you know, yeah, yeah,
35:27
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Speaker 3: One last thing for coach here on this Monday, Bucky,
36:07
Speaker 3: what do you.
36:07
Speaker 8: Got, Well, I mean, I have a couple other football ones,
36:10
Speaker 8: but I just thoroughly enjoy when coach comes in here
36:13
Speaker 8: and gives you a hard time about things. So I'm
36:15
Speaker 8: gonna I'm gonna go ahead and go that direction instead.
36:17
Speaker 8: And maybe you know right now is a good time
36:20
Speaker 8: where Christmas is over, New Year's is gone, Is it
36:25
Speaker 8: time to for people to take their Christmas tree down?
36:28
Speaker 6: For example?
36:28
Speaker 4: Well, I think it is. I think it is.
36:31
Speaker 5: We yesterday was you can tell by my scars on
36:33
Speaker 5: my hands.
36:34
Speaker 4: The trees.
36:35
Speaker 5: We have a fake tree and there's a lot of
36:37
Speaker 5: folks in there, and you know so. But but you
36:40
Speaker 5: take it down, you down. Yeah, we took the tree down.
36:44
Speaker 5: Got a couple of trees, the stuff we decorate the
36:47
Speaker 5: house with because you do that, you do that right
36:52
Speaker 5: after New Year's right, That's what made.
36:55
Speaker 6: No sense, because then there's another haul of then.
36:57
Speaker 5: And I have I just happened to ask my friend
36:59
Speaker 5: when I I can't man in this morning, I said, Chuck,
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Speaker 5: I took my trees down yesterday. Did you take your
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Speaker 5: tree down?
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Speaker 4: No? Well, of course you put it.
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Speaker 5: Remember if you remember, he put his tree up before,
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Speaker 5: not after Thanksgiving before and so the tree then he's
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Speaker 5: not going to take the tree down.
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Speaker 4: He told me till April, April April.
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Speaker 5: So my thing was, why don't you just why don't
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Speaker 5: you just avoid the work and leave it up all year?
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Speaker 4: Lights up all year?
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Speaker 2: So yeah, just put maybe like a partition around it.
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Speaker 5: You know, you're very disciplined in your work. You're very
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Speaker 5: disciplined in your work life. You are very undisciplined on
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Speaker 5: when you should do this decoration. And there are rules, okay, rules,
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Speaker 5: I enjoyed joy.
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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe there comes some people here that just you know,
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Speaker 3: the world.
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Speaker 8: Is proper joy at the proper time, that's right, you know. Yeah,
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Speaker 8: you have a Valentine's Day tree up.
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Speaker 4: You have meatballs at Christmas?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it's a loud and clear all right, Hugh,
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Speaker 2: do you have a question for coach?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, I'm still in cloud nine from Saturday night,
38:08
Speaker 7: so I'm I want to just get back my final
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Speaker 7: thought and Mike on the defense, is there anything that
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Speaker 7: we haven't hit on when I watched the tape? Mike,
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Speaker 7: you know, obviously you defend a quarterback on his side
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Speaker 7: of line of scrimmage with the pass rush, and then
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Speaker 7: on your side defensively, uh, with with everything you're doing
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Speaker 7: in coverage, And I'd be hard pressed to try and
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Speaker 7: say which side I was more impressed with. I just
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Speaker 7: I just thought they had, you know, you know, all
38:37
Speaker 7: the coverages that they played I talked about earlier, they
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Speaker 7: just played so complete against Rock Purty whip sawed him
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Speaker 7: a couple of times, including at the end, uh, what
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Speaker 7: uh from your perspective, what impressed you? And then just
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Speaker 7: talking a generic sense about what what you think gums
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Speaker 7: up a pass offense more a great pass rush or
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Speaker 7: just the great covers on the back end.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think first of all, they show both of those,
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Speaker 5: you know, their their defense. And I said earlier in
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Speaker 5: the show that when you when I watched the game
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Speaker 5: without analyzing it like you dough, the the spark and
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Speaker 5: the fire of their defense and how their their aggressiveness
39:18
Speaker 5: and they're jumping around and their team, their team tackling
39:22
Speaker 5: and all that kind of stuff. You saw that if
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Speaker 5: you're watching on television, you saw that. And so getting
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Speaker 5: them prepared and San Francisco had had offensively has been
39:33
Speaker 5: playing very very well the last four or five games
39:35
Speaker 5: and pretty pretty came back. So they just shut them down.
39:41
Speaker 5: They shut them down, and they did it with a
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Speaker 5: combination their front four, their front They can do things
39:47
Speaker 5: with their front four and the defensive line that other
39:49
Speaker 5: teams need extra people, and that allows them to have
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Speaker 5: extra people in the secondary and linebackers to rally around
39:58
Speaker 5: and to make coverages very very difficult to anticipate. And
40:03
Speaker 5: so that combination, I think is what strikes me is
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Speaker 5: that and it comes from Mike McDonald. That's what he
40:10
Speaker 5: does and that's what he's done.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I love how they're all on board both sides of
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Speaker 3: the ball. They just seem to just soak him up,
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Speaker 3: all his advice, all of his wisdom, and they all
40:22
Speaker 3: play with the same kind of energy and they all
40:24
Speaker 3: play with that goldfish mentality of like if I made
40:27
Speaker 3: a mistake, I'm not going to change the way I play.
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Speaker 3: They just always forward. So very impressed by the entire
40:33
Speaker 3: operation right now, I would ask you, today is not
40:37
Speaker 3: just today for us to celebrate here in Seattle the
40:39
Speaker 3: accomplishments of a local football team regular season wise, but
40:43
Speaker 3: this is also a dark day in a lot of
40:46
Speaker 3: NFL cities because way they call it black Monday, a
40:49
Speaker 3: lot of head coaches lose their job, and I want
40:52
Speaker 3: to say a lot want to repeat that.
40:53
Speaker 2: I think we've had what four.
40:55
Speaker 3: Since the close of business yesterday in the National Football
40:58
Speaker 3: League two job open we're already out there, So we're
41:01
Speaker 3: already up to six head coaching vacancies this offseason.
41:04
Speaker 4: What do you make of it? Well, it's always a
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Speaker 4: sad day for me.
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Speaker 5: I remember when I went into coach at BYU and
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Speaker 5: Norm Chow, who got in the league, we were friends.
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Speaker 5: He goes the beauty of being here because Lavelle Edwards
41:18
Speaker 5: was such a we were they were always going to
41:19
Speaker 5: be good, and he was the type of man he was.
41:22
Speaker 5: He goes when it comes to black Monday or whatever
41:25
Speaker 5: it was in college football, we don't have to worry
41:27
Speaker 5: about it, like some people do. And so you know,
41:31
Speaker 5: I never thought about it when I was coaching. I
41:33
Speaker 5: never thought about it all that much.
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 5: And I never did get fired. I had to leave Cleveland,
41:40
Speaker 5: that was a different deal. But as a coach, and
41:43
Speaker 5: I feel bad, I feel bad for the guys. I
41:45
Speaker 5: feel bad. I wasn't a big guy guy who fired
41:48
Speaker 5: a lot of guys on my staff and things like that.
41:50
Speaker 5: I thought, listen, we can make this work. Come on,
41:52
Speaker 5: you gotta you know you're coaching. Coaches do, but head coaches,
41:56
Speaker 5: it just seems to me, chuck. Now it seems different
42:01
Speaker 5: because you know Pete Pete Carroll fired in one year. Yeah,
42:05
Speaker 5: guys get fired after two years. That didn't seem to
42:08
Speaker 5: be the way it was. You know, when I was coaching,
42:12
Speaker 5: it seemed like you had a little more time. The
42:14
Speaker 5: second thing I want to say is that a lot
42:17
Speaker 5: of times the coach has to play the cards he
42:21
Speaker 5: was dealt, and the general manager usually escapes without any problem.
42:27
Speaker 5: And so I see it. I don't I don't like it.
42:31
Speaker 5: I don't, you know. But if the team is really
42:34
Speaker 5: that poor and the owner made a mistake, I suppose
42:37
Speaker 5: he has to do what he has to do.
42:39
Speaker 4: But it's for me. It's a sad day when it happens.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems to be a lot even with players,
42:45
Speaker 3: there seems to be a lot more in the modern
42:47
Speaker 3: day of we're not going to live with a mistake.
42:51
Speaker 3: If it's not working, we're going to cut it off
42:54
Speaker 3: right there and we'll make another decision. And so that
42:58
Speaker 3: seems to be what they're doing with players and with
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Speaker 3: coaches right now.
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Speaker 2: But you know.
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Speaker 3: Certainly you don't get this long of a leash to
43:06
Speaker 3: try to prove yourself.
43:07
Speaker 4: There's no question about that. And there's no way you
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Speaker 4: can fire the owner.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So how many owners should be fired right now?
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Speaker 4: Do you think?
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Speaker 6: Oh?
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Speaker 5: I think, oh, there's that's a long list.
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Speaker 4: We don't have time. We don't have time.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, we do have a couple extra
43:23
Speaker 3: minutes here, So I'll start making the list. You start, coach, Yeah,
43:28
Speaker 3: we'll go round the rid Well and in Arizona.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: And I you know, I'm not I'm not sold on
43:35
Speaker 5: the Carolina's owner. Yeah, you know so, but I don't
43:40
Speaker 5: want to get in any trouble. I'm I'm I'm ra
43:42
Speaker 5: almost retired.
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Speaker 3: Uh And and here, like Michael Bidwell is like leaps
43:49
Speaker 3: and bounds ahead of Bill like that is a that's
43:52
Speaker 3: a night and day improvement. And he's still bad.
43:55
Speaker 5: But really, what does well to the You know, the
43:58
Speaker 5: Raiders had a bad year this year, but you look
44:01
Speaker 5: at some teams in Cleveland. I was there in Cleveland,
44:04
Speaker 5: so I know their situation a little bit. But they've
44:07
Speaker 5: had It's not just this year, say ten years of
44:11
Speaker 5: and you have five coaches or four coaches and ten
44:13
Speaker 5: or whatever. That's too many, you know. Okay, you got
44:16
Speaker 5: to learn from your mistakes, get the right people to choose.
44:20
Speaker 5: I see where Brady's going.
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Speaker 4: To be involved?
44:22
Speaker 3: Yeah in this Matt Ryan just got hired by the
44:25
Speaker 3: Falcons though, Boy, so he's going to be I think
44:27
Speaker 3: a general manager?
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Speaker 4: Did he get the general manager job?
44:30
Speaker 6: See?
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Speaker 3: A lot of stuff going on, a lot of stuff's
44:32
Speaker 3: going on, no question about it.
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Speaker 2: Well, gentlemen, great, are we still killing minutes?
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Speaker 6: No?
44:37
Speaker 4: Are we?
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Speaker 2: Well? I mean, god, I got like a minute? You
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Speaker 2: got a minute? No? Okay, I can't okay, all right,
44:44
Speaker 2: no are you kidding? My wife might differ on that point, but.
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Speaker 4: Let's talk about the officials.
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Speaker 2: Can we got? Gentlemen? Awesome stuff?
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Speaker 3: As always, Thank you very much, Hugh mellon Mike Holmgren
45:04
Speaker 3: as we wrap up another edition of Monday Morning Quarterback
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Speaker 3: and of course now the playoffs get ready to begin.
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Speaker 3: We don't have to play for a long time, but
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Speaker 3: let the playoffs get underway. Exciting year both Hugh and
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Speaker 3: with coach and of course with the division champion Seattle Seahawks.
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