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Episode 10: Add This List to the Department of Mysteries · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode ten of Revellio for January ninth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Amy and I'm Nicole, and first, Happy New Year, everybody,
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  Speaker 2: Happy New Year. And this episode we have a special
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  Speaker 2: guest with us this week, so we have Carmen, who
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  Speaker 2: is a host on the Family Fiction podcast. So welcome Carmen.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to tell us a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: yourself Hogwarts House Harry Potter story?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I have a good one. I am a
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  Speaker 3: proud Hufflepuff, you know, the underrepresented house in the series.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well you're on the majority here.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it makes sense that the Hufflepuffs would be
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  Speaker 3: making a podcast. It's already in the vibes. I My
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  Speaker 3: fun Harry Potter story is I took a Harry Potter
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  Speaker 3: class in college and it was like a modern British
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  Speaker 3: literature class, but we got to like study the books
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  Speaker 3: and like the different theologies and stuff, and we got
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  Speaker 3: to go to England and Scotland as part of that
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  Speaker 3: class and got to see a bunch of the filming
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  Speaker 3: locations and like the Leaveston Studios tour which was really cool.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, like Nicole said, just a co host on
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  Speaker 3: Family fiction with my cousin, a podcast where we talk
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  Speaker 3: about books, and we've been going through the Harry Potter series.
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  Speaker 3: So this is right on par with what's been happenings.
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  Speaker 3: Great timing, yes, but thanks for having me on. I'm
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  Speaker 3: excited to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we're excited to have you all right, So in
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  Speaker 1: this episode we'll be discussing some of our unanswered questions
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  Speaker 1: from the Harry Potter series. But first listening to w
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  Speaker 1: W in the Wizarding Wireless Network.
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  Speaker 2: Now for the latest headlines. So there is pretty slow
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  Speaker 2: news this time, but there is some stuff to share.
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  Speaker 2: So the season finale of Wizards of Baking aired on
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  Speaker 2: December nineteenth. Spoiler alert if you are still waiting to
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  Speaker 2: catch up on the show, maybe skip a couple seconds here.
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  Speaker 2: But Zoe and Jordan ended up being the winners. So
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  Speaker 2: if you've been watching the show, you probably know who
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about. So did they win the Wizards of
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  Speaker 2: Bacon Cup. But they will also be featured in an
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  Speaker 2: upcoming Harry Potter themed cookbook. So I watch I don't
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  Speaker 2: I know you saw a couple episodes, Amy. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you watch the show carbon, but I loved
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  Speaker 2: the show and I really hope that we get more seasons,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it seemed to be really successful. Juan
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  Speaker 2: and Elizabeth was the team that were my favorite the
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  Speaker 2: entire season, and they were kind of my pick to win. However,
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  Speaker 2: I will say that basically, by the end of the
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  Speaker 2: final episode, the winner was chosen based on that final
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  Speaker 2: show piece. They did not like their entire season performance,
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  Speaker 2: and one like Zoe and Jordan deserved it based on
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  Speaker 2: their final show piece. It was awesome, and for those
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  Speaker 2: of you that maybe didn't watch it, it was nice
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  Speaker 2: because it like kind of what you just mentioned, Carmen
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  Speaker 2: about the studio tour. Obviously, because it was filmed there,
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  Speaker 2: they also got to kind of show different areas of
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  Speaker 2: the studio tour. I know we talked about that a
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  Speaker 2: little bit in a prior episode, but they kind of
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  Speaker 2: ended the season finale in the Great Hall, of course,
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  Speaker 2: and all of the guests like Havana and Warwick and
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  Speaker 2: Bonnie all came back for that final episode and were
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  Speaker 2: part of the judging team and part of picking the winners.
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  Speaker 2: So they kind of made this whole fanfare from it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so either way, episode or season finale wrapped
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  Speaker 2: up and it was a really good show, and if
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  Speaker 2: you haven't watched it yet, I super recommend catching up
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  Speaker 2: because I'm not usually a fan of like baking shows
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  Speaker 2: or food shows, but this one was really cool and
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  Speaker 2: just some of the creations that they made were just
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  Speaker 2: so insane, and.
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  Speaker 1: I think just because actually like just like a regular
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  Speaker 1: baking show, like there's those mechanical and like magical elements involved,
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  Speaker 1: which makes it that much more entertaining in my opinion.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I actually have a little bit of bitterness
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  Speaker 3: towards the show because I was supposed to meet Bonnie
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  Speaker 3: Wright and Oliver and James Phelps in Knoxville, Tennessee at
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  Speaker 3: a convention. We had tickets and everything, and James and
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  Speaker 3: Oliver had to cancel because they were.
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  Speaker 2: Filing the show.
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  Speaker 3: I did get to meet Bonnie, but we were supposed
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  Speaker 3: to do like the whole trio. I was going to
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  Speaker 3: have like a Weasley family photo and they got blononaparte.
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  Speaker 1: So a little bitter towards the show.
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  Speaker 4: Well, don't let that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just maybe like skip through the parts where
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  Speaker 2: James and Oliver were like, they're just they're a little
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  Speaker 2: bit They're not necessary, they don't matter, right, They really truly,
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  Speaker 2: they are not fully necessary.
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  Speaker 4: You could totally skip over them a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But but yeah, super super fun show and I'm kind
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  Speaker 2: of sad it's over.
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  Speaker 4: I went by so quick.
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  Speaker 2: But again, I hope that we get more c I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what they would do, like if they did
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  Speaker 2: more seasons, because they.
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  Speaker 4: Already kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Did all the main areas like of the studio tour
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  Speaker 2: in the show, so I don't know how they would
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  Speaker 2: like expand on that, but I'm sure they could figure
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  Speaker 2: out something.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if they could go to the other studio
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  Speaker 1: tour locations like film On in Tokyo, yeah, and then
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  Speaker 1: film Yeah, that could be kind of cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they could definitely like how they mix
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  Speaker 2: up with having the different magical elements and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: there's definitely different things they could bring in there, or
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  Speaker 2: like the task of what they need to complete, they
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  Speaker 2: could probably come up with like different things there. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It was just a really fun show
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  Speaker 2: and their stuff looked so good, like I wish I
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  Speaker 2: could be there to like taste test, and sometimes like
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  Speaker 2: didn't even look like something you could eat. And then
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  Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's cool too because it's like you're familiar
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  Speaker 2: with it, you know, being a fan of the series
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  Speaker 2: and just seeing yeah, even what people can create. The
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  Speaker 2: teams were all great, but yes, so I definitely wanted
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  Speaker 2: to highlight just that show wrapping up and give a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a review on it. We also learned
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  Speaker 2: that the first four Harry Potter films are going to
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  Speaker 2: be returning to US theaters in February, and I think
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  Speaker 2: the most exciting thing about this is that select screenings
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  Speaker 2: are going to be available in three D and forty X,
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  Speaker 2: and I think this might be the first time we've
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  Speaker 2: ever gotten the films in like these other kind of formats.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously not the first time they've returned the theaters, so
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  Speaker 2: this is super exciting.
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  Speaker 1: I think I remember seeing I want to say it
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  Speaker 1: was Deadley Allo's Part one in three D.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like the later films I think came out,
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  Speaker 2: but like these earlier films, I think it's the first
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  Speaker 2: time I've been converted to those formats.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just imagining Buckbeats flight in forty.
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  Speaker 1: X, the wind, some.
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  Speaker 4: Splashing on you, the whole wind.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the entirety of Galvit of fire, with the trials,
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  Speaker 3: especially with the dragons, oh gosh, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Fire that Yeah, that film could be great in forty X.
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  Speaker 2: I think of all of My first thing I thought
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  Speaker 2: of this was like, just the quidditch scenes would be
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  Speaker 2: really cool even in three D. So I think that
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  Speaker 2: I want to try to take advantage of seeing it
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  Speaker 2: maybe in one of these other formats, because I've seen
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  Speaker 2: when they've brought the films back to theaters, like the
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  Speaker 2: last couple summers and stuff. I've seen the first couple,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm hoping my theater, my local theater, does these
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  Speaker 2: either three D or we do have a forty X
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  Speaker 2: theater right by me, so we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did too.
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  Speaker 3: The only forty X film I've ever seen is Star Wars,
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  Speaker 3: and that was it was a whole experience, so interested
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  Speaker 3: to say what the Harry Potter one would be like,
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  Speaker 3: I needed to feel like the quidditch scene in the
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  Speaker 3: Castle ride at Universal Studios because that's the best part.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, it has.
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  Speaker 3: To feel like that or nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, including dragon breath and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yes as long as.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I always get stuck in the seat with
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  Speaker 2: the dragon breath when I go.
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  Speaker 4: So it's the first thing I always think of.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a little steam facial. It's fine, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Great, it's great. I mean, now it doesn't bother me
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  Speaker 2: because I've had it so much and I know it's coming,
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  Speaker 2: so it doesn't bother me. And I think that's the
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  Speaker 2: best seat to be in really. But yeah, so I
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  Speaker 2: think more to come on. You know where these select
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  Speaker 2: screenings will be. Check your local theaters. And last bit
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  Speaker 2: of news is there's been some new aerial shots of
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  Speaker 2: Epic Universe that have kind of been circulating the interwebs lately.
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  Speaker 2: So these photos were taken by an aerial photogographer called
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  Speaker 2: bio Reconstruct. So I think, like, everything looks so good
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  Speaker 2: these shots. I think of all the shots we've gotten
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  Speaker 2: of the construction, these ones are really just show a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the detail. And really because now, I mean
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  Speaker 2: we're only a few months away from the park's opening,
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  Speaker 2: So I think these photos and not even just Wizarding World,
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  Speaker 2: but looking at like all the photos for even all
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  Speaker 2: the lands, I think everything's coming together really well, and
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  Speaker 2: I feel like everything's going to open on time. And
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  Speaker 2: a few of the things that kind of I noticed
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  Speaker 2: in these shots is just it looks like the portal
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  Speaker 2: archway for the Ministry of Magic Land is completed. You
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  Speaker 2: have a really good view of the time turner that's
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  Speaker 2: there and the gold hand holding the Wand there's also
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  Speaker 2: a photo of like a phoenix arch that you pass
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  Speaker 2: through to enter the land after you've kind of gone
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  Speaker 2: through the portal. And then, like I mentioned before, really
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  Speaker 2: the big call out here is just the details that
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  Speaker 2: you can see in these photos, so like art that's
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  Speaker 2: been painted on the buildings, the building like facades, some
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  Speaker 2: of them look like fully completed. There's also some signs
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  Speaker 2: that have been added to some of the buildings. There's
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  Speaker 2: a good photo of like the tent entrance to Laser Garcianis.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say that's the photo that's interesting
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  Speaker 1: to me because I know we kept saying, how are
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  Speaker 1: you going to fit that many people in a tent
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  Speaker 1: show outside? Right? But like obviously from this photo you
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  Speaker 1: can see that the tent butts up against a building.
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  Speaker 4: And so you're filtering always going.
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  Speaker 1: Into the building. So that makes way more sense.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And it's like any theme park like it's I
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  Speaker 2: think seeing aerial photos of theme parks is so cool
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  Speaker 2: because they do such a great job of hiding the
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  Speaker 2: show buildings and how big they are like I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you've ever seen the show, like a photo
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  Speaker 2: of the show building of like Pirates of the Caribbean Disney,
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  Speaker 2: but like they're I mean, you would never know how
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  Speaker 2: far back it goes. And so I just love these
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  Speaker 2: aerial photos because you can also see the Ministry of
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  Speaker 2: Magic and the ride in these photos as well. And
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  Speaker 2: it looks like that building is all kind of complete.
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  Speaker 2: It's absolutely huge.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When we're in Universal last month the Epic Universe Previews
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  Speaker 1: center with the diorama thingy in the center, just that
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  Speaker 1: was what struck me was just the size of like
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  Speaker 1: that warehouse ride building behind the facades. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that thing is like as big as this area of
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  Speaker 1: the park altogether.
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  Speaker 5: Like it's huge.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks really coold. Have they said like is
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  Speaker 3: it gonna be able to connect to a Universal and
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  Speaker 3: Islands of Adventure or is it just Universal?
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of a little bit further away, I think,
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  Speaker 2: I from remember, isn't it like fifteen It's like kind
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  Speaker 2: of like fifteen minutes away.
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  Speaker 1: They are going to have a shuttle bus loop.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I do, because I know, like I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you've got like you can take the train from diagon
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  Speaker 3: Alley to the castle. So I just feel like they
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  Speaker 3: could somewhere put in somehow you can get to the castle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a little bit further. I think
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  Speaker 2: this particular park is going to have more of that
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  Speaker 2: like Walt Disney World feel, where if you were park
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  Speaker 2: hopping to a different park, you've got to get on
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  Speaker 2: transportation and it takes a little bit to get there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, I think, yeah, definitely like search up these
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  Speaker 2: pictures if you haven't seen them yet, because they're probably
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  Speaker 2: some of the most detailed pictures I think that we've
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  Speaker 2: gotten so far, and yeah, just how far along they
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  Speaker 2: are in the construction. It really is kind of just
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  Speaker 2: all about like the details at this point really in
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  Speaker 2: getting getting those set. I mean there's even like lights
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  Speaker 2: in the hair that you can see, and there's like
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  Speaker 2: a butter beer cart I think that you can see
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  Speaker 2: in like one of the photos. So they're really.
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  Speaker 3: That's the only photo I need to see. Where's the
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  Speaker 3: butter bear?
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  Speaker 4: The butter bear?
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's kind of all I had for the
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  Speaker 2: news this week.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So heading into our main discussion, we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: talk about some unanswered questions that we still have from
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  Speaker 1: the series all these years later, which I mean, let's
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  Speaker 1: be honest, that's kind of the beauty of it. We
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  Speaker 1: can keep having these conversations over and over and over
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  Speaker 1: again and there's still things that are kind of left
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  Speaker 1: to interpretation, which is kind of cool. So I know,
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  Speaker 1: I pulled a whole bunch, and I think Carmen had
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  Speaker 1: a few, and Nicole, I think I saw you might
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  Speaker 1: have added somewhere. So it seems we all have questions.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and this is not even an exhausted list like this.
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  Speaker 2: There could be a Part two conversation about this down
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  Speaker 2: the line, because I definitely feel like there's more than
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  Speaker 2: just the ten or so that we put in here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, even just as like Hallie and I get through
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the books, I feel like each chapter
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  Speaker 3: is like, but.
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  Speaker 1: Why couldn't they do this? And it's just open can
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  Speaker 1: of worms? But how does this work? Magic? That's all
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  Speaker 1: you need to know.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, is your imagination, So diving right in, the
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  Speaker 6: first question we have on this list is why can't
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  Speaker 6: Harry sethestials earlier?
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  Speaker 1: I know this has come up quite a bit in
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  Speaker 1: the fandom since the books were finished and wrapped up
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we know the first death he witnesses is
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  Speaker 1: his parents, but does he actually see it happen, And
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  Speaker 1: does the fact that he didn't see it and he
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  Speaker 1: didn't really understand what was happening because he was a
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  Speaker 1: baby impact why he can or cannot see the festals.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think, like for me, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: exactly that. I think he's just a baby, and you
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  Speaker 2: don't as a baby, like you don't understand death. And
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's more than just you can see
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  Speaker 2: the thestrials because you've seen death, I think you have
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  Speaker 2: to fully understand what it means as well. And so
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  Speaker 2: it's like, right, it's like one thing to see it,
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  Speaker 2: it's another thing to understand what it means. And so
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  Speaker 2: obviously by the time that he witnesses Cedric's death, he
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  Speaker 2: both sees it and understands it at that point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of had like the same thoughts on that,
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  Speaker 3: But I almost wondered, like in the first book, he's
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  Speaker 3: even just remembering green light and high pitch cackle, so
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  Speaker 3: it's almost like it was blocked from his subconscious maybe
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, and so he only starts to remember
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  Speaker 3: bits and pieces throughout the books. So yeah, I think
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  Speaker 3: it's again seeing it and understanding what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think part of that too is the relationship
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  Speaker 1: that you have to that person, because if you think
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  Speaker 1: about he didn't really even know his parents, so would
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  Speaker 1: that impact him as much as a death like Cedric's
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  Speaker 1: where he actually knew him. It was a classmate, it
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  Speaker 1: was someone he interacted with, as opposed to someone that
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, they're his parents, but he didn't actually
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  Speaker 1: know them.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like this abstract construct kind of thing
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  Speaker 2: or like, right, I see what you're saying. So it's
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  Speaker 2: almost like maybe even if this had happened a few
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  Speaker 2: years down the line, where he had been able to
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  Speaker 2: kind of like live with his parents and interact with
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  Speaker 2: them a little bit, it's and I yeah, because it's
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  Speaker 2: like you do. It's you're like deaths of people that
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  Speaker 2: you're close with like always impact you more kind of
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, of course they're his parents and everything,
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  Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, he was just
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  Speaker 2: a baby, and really, yeah, it doesn't know them. And
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  Speaker 2: it's more I think because he doesn't have a pay,
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't have parents more so then I lost these
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  Speaker 2: people that I was very close to right, right.
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  Speaker 3: I always think of like Luna too, because like she
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  Speaker 3: was younger when she lost her mom, but she was
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: old enough to have known her mom and like recognize
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  Speaker 3: the losing of her. And yeah, he is, I mean
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  Speaker 3: just a baby.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so kind of in the same vein
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  Speaker 1: of what went down in Godric's Hollow. Another question that
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  Speaker 1: I have is what object did Valtimore intend to turn
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  Speaker 1: into his final hor crux with Harry's murder? Obviously we
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  Speaker 1: know Harry became that hor Crocks instead, but what was
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  Speaker 1: the intention something of Gryffindor's I mean, was there anything
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  Speaker 1: he could actually use other than the sword?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, do we think that he actually was intending
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  Speaker 2: to make a hor crux from like Harry's murder or
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  Speaker 2: it was just at that point obviously he had been
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: making horcruxes and everything, But was it, like I don't
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: know if when he went into the house that night
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: he even had the intention, Like his intention there it
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: was more just to kind of fulfill the prophecy and
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: commit the murder. And I think that's why it ended
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: up being such a big deal that he made this
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: unintented And I think that's another kind of unanswered ques
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: a little bit is the magic of making a hor crux?
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: And like, what does your intention have to be there?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: And because you it seems like there would have to
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: be some intention there. But then at the same time,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: it seems to be like this all this whole, like
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: he didn't intend to make Harry a horcrox. He doesn't
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: know Harry's a horcrux, So is there also an unintentional
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: component there? But yeah, that's a whole other that's a
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: whole other can of worms. But I don't know if
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: he necessarily, like intended to make a hor crux when
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: he went in that night.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he meant to make one that
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: not he definitely was going to make a seventh because
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: he had asked Slughorn about seven. But yeah, I would
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: agree with Amy, like I would assume something of Griffidor's
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: because he did something from h House.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And so I feel like this is just one of
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: those things where it's like this happens when you've reread
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: a book so many times, but now I'm not able
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: to remember if this is something that was actually said
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: in the books or something that people speculated about later.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: But I feel like wasn't there something said where Dumbledore.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Was like.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: He was going to use Harry's death because it was
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a significant like murder instead of just like any old
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Muggle that he murders. And I don't know if I'm
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: making that up, but.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I could see that though, Like maybe I could see
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Baltimore thinking like this will be my strongest war Crocks
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: because this is such a meaningful death.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then was be honest, Yeah, like that dramatic?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: So yes, that's why I like he would be like this,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: this is the one that will make me forever immortal
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: because it's such a big deal.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I wonder what the Potters would have that would potentially
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: or or him bringing something. I guess he could bring
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: it the object with him.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Maybe did he know that James had like the invisibility
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: cloak or anything like that, because I mean James and
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Lily were like the epitome of Gryffin doors too, so
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: maybe that was going to be his Gryffin door thing well.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: And also to make one of the deathly hallows a
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: whore Crocks like that, there's that dramatic. He is that dramatic.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Hm hm hm, there will be no explanation. There will
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: just be reputations because he has that dramatic.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Like snake, just playing into that snake reference as well.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, it's the use of snake.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: People like this is the time to do it. Yeah.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I just like picture Baltimore like coming in all dramatic
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: like dragging the sort of Gryffindor with him running a
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: little bit, you know.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Oh, I don't.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Know if we and I don't think we really hear
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: too much about any other object of significance from Gryffindor.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Obviously there's so much focus on the sword, so like
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I don't even I feel like, yeah, maybe he thought
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: it was there. Yeah, I wonder where it was in
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: that moment.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I almost wondered if he would have tried to do
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: something like the sorting hat, But I just feel like
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: it would have to be something of Gryffindor's because that
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: would complete the circle.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Could you imagine if he had put a bit of
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: his soul in the sorting hat, like every kid that
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: gets sorted, like what they must hear in their head
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: from that hat?
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Well, because I just thought about like they would have
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: really thought Harry was losing it. On his first year,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: like he would have got up, their hat goes on
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: his head and he just crumbles into the floor from
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: a Migraine would like this kid, this kid, he's a weird.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I'm honestly surprised he didn't try to do it to
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: like Fox or something, just to like really stick it
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: to double Doore just be like, surprise my other Horecrucks
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: is your prize possession bird Congrats, And then we get.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Into the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes with We're just
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: going to tie this into like every fandom we can think.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, he is the original like Easter egg Hider.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's the true mastermind.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, how many.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Taylor Swift references can we make in this episode?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: As many as possible? So surprise surprise. My next question
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: also stems from the same night. There's just so much
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: mystery surrounding this night. What happened to Baltimore's first body,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Like was it just removed from the rubble of the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Potter's house? Was it burned, did it vanish? Was it
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: blown to smothereines by whatever magic happened? Like where'd it go?
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: It clearly went off like confetti like they did in
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: the movie Amy.
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: Yes, I don't know, skin flaked away. The skin flaked
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: away like Thanos shut up, snapped him away.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Dan Doers hear the reference.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Already four when I'm like collecting all these objects where
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: his heart he was like the original Thanos of trying
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to collect everything. The Horror Cruxes were the original Infinity Stones. Yes,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: which is funny that comic may have come out before
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the book or Harry Potter books. Not that I think
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: about it, though.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: That's what I hate about the movie so much, because
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I'm like, imagine somebody walks outside and they're like, I
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: got a bit of sit in my mouth or on
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: my clothes, like pieces of Baltimore.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Like that's disgusting.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: I always think of that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know why grow Yes, they're just sweeping Baltimore
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: up with the.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Rest of the.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Well and Baltricks too.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: She also went up and confetti the true yeah.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: True. Now I imagine like it had to have I
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: don't know, either exploded or just spanished, because I mean
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: somebody went back to Bear Lily and James, so somebody
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: would have found his body. And I just the way
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: that they are with memorials and stuff, I imagine there would
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: have at least been some sort of marking somewhere with
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: his body of like this is the day that the
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: dark law lost, that good overtook evil. I just imagine
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: there would be some sort of memorial if there was
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: a body.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Left, right well, and just the fact that there was
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: so much speculation of like is he dead or is
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: he really still out there? Like that leads me to
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: believe that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: A body found.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but clearly his body did not stay intact since
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: he was in need of a new one several bodies.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that was kind of my thought,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: is that there wasn't a body to be found, because
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think there would have been so much questioning
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: for the years following is he really gone? Because obvious, say,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: at that point, no one knew about the horre cruxies,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: so there would be no reason to believe like, oh,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: he's got these bits of his soul everywhere he is
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: still hanging around. But yeah, like is it like you're
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: just so evil so you just disintegrate? I don't Yeah,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But like this also like made me
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: think of, like, well, what happened to his his like
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: second or well, it's not really his second, but the
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: second body, like we see after the Battle of Hogwarts,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Like what like what would they do with his body,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: like chuck it off the side with the elder one
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: because obviously, you know, not like the movies, he doesn't
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: burst into confetti. He becomes mortal dead body there, which
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I think is so much more significant than him exploding
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: into confetti like they did in the films. But I wonder,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: like what they would have yeah, like what they would
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: have done with that body because obviously that one was found.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, maybe it's on the same level with like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: you know, when he's in Quarrel and his mother's Harry's
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Mother's love you know, defeats Quarrel and that version of Voldemort,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Like I mean, after he made so many horcruxes, it
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: was just a like a tiny bit of his soul
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: left in.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Him at that point.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: So I imagine it's along the same lines as what
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: happened with Quarrel.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just an other soul, just like crumbled could be hmm.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: He just had to make that seventh for Crunks. He did.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: He just couldn't help himself. Had Oh I apparently must
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: just have a fascination with death or something, because My
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: next question is what was the veil in the Department
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: of Mysteries, because I remember after Order of the Phoenix
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: came out, there was all this speculation about the veil,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: what it meant, was there something behind it was serious,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: just like trapped back there in some sort of limbo,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: like what is this thing? And we never really found out,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: which I mean, it is the Department of Mysteries, we're
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: not really meant to, but to still piques my curiosity
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to this day.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this one was always interesting to me because I
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: find everything. I think we talked about this when we
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: had our favorite episode and like talked about chapters, like
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I really love everything about like the Department of Mysteries
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: really and I think exactly that I think we aren't
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: like ever supposed to know, and like I don't even
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: know if there probably is even an answer, and I
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: think that it's always it's like a double fold question.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: It's like, so what is the veil? And like what's
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: beyond the veil? And I because this episode we just
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: keep bringing in other fandoms. One of the things that
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I immediately thought of kind of like thinking about this
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: is it really reminds me of Coco the film, because
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: you have like Miguel who kind of, you know, unintentionally
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: enters the Land of the Dead, and on the day
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that he does that, you know it's because the veil
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: really between the Land of the Dead and the Land
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: of the Living is more permeable because it's the Day
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: of the Dead, and basically it's kind of the same
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: thing where he's once he kind of goes past that veil.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Obviously there's more to it and he can get back,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: but there's like it's not like he can just step back.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: You know, he's got to there's you know, won't spoil
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: the whole plot of the movie, but you know, if
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: he doesn't get back to the Land of the Living,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: you know, before the end of the Day of the Dead,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you know, he's kind of stuck in that Land of
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: the Dead forever. And I would think impresumably he would
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: just kind of slowly die and become part of that land.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: And so I feel like this might be something similar,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Like I don't necessarily feel like the act of going
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: through the veil kills you, and this whole thing kills
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: me because Serious is my favorite character, and I think
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: of him being trapped like on this other side or
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: just what is there when you cross and so I
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: feel like when you first kind of cross it, and
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I think it obviously, I don't think it even sucks
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: you in. I think there has to be this act
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: of you know, obviously for him, like he got hit
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: with a vata cadavra, so like, yeah, I think it's
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: like right, so he was dead on arrival. But I
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: think if somebody was standing right next to that veil
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and you kind of just went who and you pushed
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: him through, I don't think the act of going through
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the veil necessarily kills you.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: I could see it as it being this.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: You go through this vewl and you're still like maybe
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: alive and sort of stuck, and if you can't manage
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: to find a way back, then eventually you will die
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: because you're in this realm that like the living can't exist.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And it's almost like I wonder if they like found
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: this like portal kind of like they were able to
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: find this.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Like like a rift.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Like oh yeah, like a rift in time and space
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: that was able to and it just happened to be
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: right there in the ministry of mating. I don't know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: but like and they just kind of created this vewl,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: you know, to kind of harness the power of it
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: or like be able to find where it is. Yeah,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I don't so do we.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Think it's at all related to like wapp A with
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Harry and Deathly Hallows of like he goes, you know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: he dies, he talks to Dumbledore and then comes back.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: That could be the other world in that situation.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Dumbledore does call it the death chamber in
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: that book, which kind of got me thinking. This Roman
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: general kind of reminds me of the execution room in
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the first Fantastic Beast film and the way that it's
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: described with the dais in the middle and kind of
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: like the raised benches going up the sides. It makes
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: me feel like this was like an execution chamber. Maybe
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: they don't do that anymore at this point in the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: nineteen nineties and two thousands and Wizarding Britain, but maybe
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: this was like a way to carry out execution as
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: opposed to just evatica davering people.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Just a little push.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Yep, one little push goes a long way.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: You're gonna just cross into the other world there, and.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: It's like an unforgivable curse. And so this kind of
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: gives you a way to execute without having to go
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: to that level of avatica davering somebody.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Right, it's not really illegal. It's also like non violent
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: when you think about it, right, it's creepy and weird, but.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Like or just use the unforgivable curse and then it
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: takes the body and you don't have to worry about
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: clean up.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Either way.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: It works both ways with those wizards.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Always Ken.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Now, I always wondered if it had anything to do
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: with like souls and if it was at all connected
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: with what happens when a dementor eats your soul, if
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: maybe that's where it goes once I digest it or
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: whatever they do.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: That's another unanswered question of that, whatever they do with it.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: I didn't even think of that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think the thing that's interesting too about
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: the veil, like especially compared to like when we kind
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: of see Harry and that in between at King's Cross.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: It's obviously like when he wakes up in King's Cross,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: it's very like quiet and like sterile, and it's just
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: and he's just kind of there like alone, you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: at first. But with the veil, it's like there's like
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: when you get close enough to it, you can like
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: hear these whispers of people, and so I just feel
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: like it's not as quiet and sterile and stuff is
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: like it was for Harry being in that King's Cross moment.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Which is what leads me to think this is like
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: not like a not necessarily like a peaceful way of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: death or like a natural way of death. It's like
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: very much a we've decided you're going through the veil
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: now and then obviously forever and ever more, your soul's
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: not going to be at rest because that's not the
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: way you should have gone.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I kind of picture like a Pirates of the Caribbean thing,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: like going to Davy Jones locker and they're like all
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: you know, they're all on the boats and like they're dead,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: but they're like that kind of also like a Hades
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: kind of thing going to the underworld.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, serious is just for every case in that one
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: peanut that Jacks Barrow could never catch an eat.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: He's stuck over there.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I could just see the two of them like it
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: would be great.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: It would be great with the crabs that would go there.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, we should have been keeping like a marker of
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: how many fandoms. We're going to bring up any a counter.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: We should have. Yeah, we'll make Liz make a graphic.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: With all well, and this wasn't even planned, Like.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Let's see, we've got tailor even multiple times.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, man, I brought Pirates up last episode two in
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: our extended conversation Pirates.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: We also have cocoa.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, ye, Honestly, Serious gives off the same energy as Jackson.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: That's why I said I think they would just get
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: so long.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: That just makes sense. Nobody move. I've dropped my brain.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: But then even like if you're like dead on arrival,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: like Serious ones, you know, like it. You know. The
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: other question too, is like just where get like what
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: happened to his body?
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I picture like someone who's not dead on arrival, kind
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: of like I have another fan of the throw in
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: here Stranger things. The upside down, right, my picture, like
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: when Vecna fell through, goes through the gets pushed through
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the portal by eleven is falling through and ends up
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: in the upside down, Like, that's what I picture it
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: looking like when you go through this veil.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Honestly, that's the crossover I never thought I needed that.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: The upside down is the veil. They're connected.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: What is beyond the veil? The upside down?
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: It's all connected.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: That works. Jamie kimble Bauer, Jamie kimble Bower.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: He's been hopping back and forth.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: Perfect, that's how he's been doing it.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: He has mastered how to get back from the veil.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: It's all connected. It's just that the social media header
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: can just be that picture with the map and the
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: string all connected.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: It's a small world, after.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: All, we're all connected.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's Jamie.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: It's been Jamie kimble Bauer's fault this entire time.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: We never knew he was the real villain. It's been
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Jamie all along.
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: Take it o man, oh.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: So too way though, he comes back through the veil
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: right like obviously serious camp because as we've said a
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: million times, he was done on arrival. But you know,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: is there a way to come back through the veil?
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Has there been anyone who's mastered that? Is there somebody
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: that's been stuck beyond the veil that's been like trying
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: to figure out a way to come back through that veil?
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: The doctor clearly, Papa, Yes, Well, because I was thinking
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: to bring in yet another fandom here.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I was thinking of Star Wars and kind of how
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: you know Qui Gon spent all this time mastering how
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: he could still exist in the force after his death
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: and then passing on that knowledge. It's like something that
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: other people hadn't been able to figure out before. So
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: maybe there is somebody there who was trying to work
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: out how you can get back through that veil.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's why the veil is in the Department of
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Mysteries in the first place, because maybe.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: They're researching it.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is there a way for us to go to
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: the land of the dead and come back?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: So all the whispering people are ex Ministry workers have
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: been working on this experiments of years. Stay away, don't
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: take no matter how, don't do it.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Don't accept that bonus.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: You know, every day I learn a little bit more
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: about why I wouldn't want to work at the Ministry.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: It's another on my list.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: At Lea's not in the Department of Mysteries, Like you
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: may become a mystery yourself if.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: You work there. Yes, Okay, there's so much to talk
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: about that is to be a whole episode. Okay, So
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the next question, how did Nighini end up with Voldemort?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Which I know we were really hoping we would find
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: out in the Fantastic Beast series, but yeah, that ain't
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: gotta happen, looks like so, I mean, it's just kind
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: of assumed that they run into each other in Albania
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: while Valdemort's there and hiding. But why was she in
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Albania in the first place? At what point does she
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: fully turn into a snake? Did Valdimort know her as
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: a human? It's just that there's so many questions, and we're.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: So mad we're not getting the rest of these Fantastic
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Beast films because we would have seen this. I really
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: feel like we would have figured this.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Out and there would have been at least hints.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Right, And I think that there is so many I
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: think the fact that we even had the introduction of
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: her in human form opens up so many of these
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: questions because she was such a good person and obviously
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: we know that like Baltimore and Neighini have such a
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: close bond, and it's like, how did that bond form,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: When did it form? Did it form when she was
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: still human? If it did, what happened to or what
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: did he do or say to manipulate her to become
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: a follower of him or you know, I don't see
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Baltimore obviously. I think we talked about this before. As
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Tom Riddle. I think he's very persuasive, and she may
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: have been charmed by his good looks and.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Books.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the previous episode, so I could see that,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: and I feel like he's got that like good luck charm.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: But if she met him in his what state what
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't think that would have like I
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: don't know, or it's like, did they meet when she
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: was already a snake and they bonded over him speaking
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: parcel tongue to her and her finding somebody that could
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: understand her?
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: Maybe, Yeah, No, I was going to take the same
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: route with it and be like if Chamber of Secrets
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: version Tom Riddle showed up.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Then I can't judge her because same.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: I wonder if you, like, I assume he promised at
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: some point to be like, once you help me gain
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: all this power, I can change you back into a human.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: That's the only way that I could think that he
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: would like get her to come with him, unless it's
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: like something happened to somebody she loved and he's like,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I'll help.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Her exact revenge. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, because if
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: you think about her buddy was credence if eventually maybe
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: she blames the Dumbledore for credences and in everything and
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: his struggles, who is going against Stumbledore Voldemort is?
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: So you know, I don't know how fair I do
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: for everything?
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Right, right?
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: And I think it's like that perfect It's like the
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: perfect storm because like what I mentioned with him being
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: a parcel talk, like, you know, there is that communication
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: piece that when she eventually you know fully turns into
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: a snake, she no longer has that connection with humans anymore.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden, here comes this person
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: that can communicate with her. And right if he's I
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: mean clearly he seems like one the person to offer
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: her something in return for her being his companion or
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: whatever the relationship, whatever the relationship was, but necessarily not well,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I don't want to necessarily say that he would never
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: fulfill his promise to her, because I think they were
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: very I think Nighini is the only person, not person,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: snake thing that he actually seems close to like a
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: genuine relationship, Like I feel like there is a genuine
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: relationship there that he has with no one else. Yeah,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: what the nature of that relationship is, that's another unanswered question,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: but there's something there, and so I don't want to
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: sell him short. I think he may have actually tried
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: to fulfill whatever he possibly promised to her, but obviously
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: it would be an exchange for her doing something for
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: him like well, and it was he kept her, she
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: kept him alive like.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Well, and maybe even just like if we're thinking promises,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: maybe he was going to try to get the Resurrection
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Stone and he promised to bring Credence or whoever back
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: for her.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: There's no tone.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Gosh, yeah, I want to know more about that.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: It's such a fascinating storyline and it's just such a
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: shame that it just got dropped. I think.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, once we decided to make her more than just
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: a snake, because it always made sense that he would
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: have some kind of snake companion, and so you don't
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: think much about it, but then to learn like, okay, no,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: this like she wasn't always a snake. It's like, don't
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: introduce it if you're not going to finish it. I
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: know the plan was always to finish it.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, so here we go back to another
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: question about death.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Sorry guys, Sunny Hulflepuff over here with all the death questions. Yeah,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: so is there actually any truth to the deathly Hallows
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: legend about the owner of all three becoming the master
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: of death? Kind of never really find that out. Harry
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: had two of them, Baltimore had the other. I like,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know, is it real? Who knows?
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I think yes. I think that we never get to
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: fully see it like played out, like like what is
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: what does it mean to be the master of death?
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's what we have to like define
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: to figure out, like is there actually truth to it?
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I think that you're very powerful if you have all
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: three of these things, and I guess like in a
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: way maybe it's like you know you're you're the master
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: of death because you can kind of you've got them
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: the most powerful wand so like who's going to kill you? You
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: can kind of be like rise to the top.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: There.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: You have the resurrectors resurrection stone, so you can kind
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: of control death as well by bringing someone back quote
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: unquote bringing them back. And obviously if you have the
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: invisibility cloak, you can hide from people who are out
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: to get you. So you can kind of like cheat death.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like you're cheating death.
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: Like yeah.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: The other interesting thing that I thought of was at
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: the point at the end of The Deathly Hallows, Harry
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: has two of the Hallows and Valdimore has the Wand.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Do you think part of the issue obviously we know
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: about the matching cores, but do you think part of
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: the issue of valdemorre well the matching corps is the
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: original Wand. I'm like getting off track here, but the
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: issue of the elder Wand not being able to take
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: on Harry as well? Do you think it's because he
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: had like two of the Wands quote unquote siblings in
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: his possession and the Wand couldn't act against him, Like,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: do you think the Deathly Hallows actually does play a
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: role somehow?
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I think it does because he was the true master
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: of that Wand in that moment, you know what I mean, Like,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: so the Wand would have never gone against its own.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Master, right, yeah, so technically.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Death and he survived. So like, yeah, I think it.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I think there is something about it, but I think
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: that's exactly it. I think that it's it's like not
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: only was he the owner, but he also was in
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: possession of yeah, the other two Hallows, the siblings, and
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I just think there was not a way. I think
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: it's pivotal to the plot that Baltimore has that wand
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: and it's not really his, even though he thinks it is,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: because if he had any other wand, could he maybe
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: have actually killed Harry, Like is what protected Harry in
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: the end, the fact that he was the true owner
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: of that wand the most loyal wand.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: So he was actually the master of death. And we've
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: proved in the theory.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well in that vein is he still is.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: He's still the master of death.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Technically, I mean at the bottom of land, at the
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: bottom of a ravine, but.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Well it's still there. The resurrection stone is in the woods.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: But I mean he did technically unite all three and
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: if that's all you need to do, then maybe it
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter that there's separated afterwards.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, the until I think, until someone else comes
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: into possession of the item, they are they are his,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: like if nobody But I don't know, right, do you
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: have to have them all on your person? But he didn't.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: He didn't have like, he didn't have the invisibility Cloak
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: with him in that moment when he was standing against Baltimore.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: But I still think it's because, like we talked about
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: in our Wandler episode, like the Wanes having that little
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: bit of sentience, the wand knew that Harry was his
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: true owner. He would never he like, now I'm giving
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: it a jonder, the wand would never like go against
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: the sentience is enough, you know that it wouldn't go
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: against it's true, it's true owner in that moment. And
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: that's that was Baldemore's entire fault in his entire plan
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: was not.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: The whole.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: The whole thing was like the perfect setup of how
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: it ended up being like Harry, you know. And that's
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: just where Baltimore is, like he's so dramatic and essentially
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: as a flair for the drama that there's not even
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: a consideration of there could have been a flaw in
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: the plan.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: And then Snape had to die for nothing. Really in
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: all of this, it wasn't for nothing. The whole obviously
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: he had to die, the tear had to have, the
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: whole memories had to happen.
• 54:36
  Speaker 8: Or.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Dumbledore could have just told him in the first place,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: and we and then Snape's death is pointless.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's like double dore too, like being the
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: one who actually kind of knows everything that's going on,
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: and like.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: I guess I kind of like two, I guess dive
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: more into that question.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: So in the.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: First book, when he opens the Present and has the
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: invisibility cloak, Ron says, that's an invisibility cloak. They're very rare,
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: so is there more than one? So then like.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Is there a Master of Death?
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Because if there's more than one invisibility cloak, it seems
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: like anybody could just have an invisibility cloak.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Well, isn't the difference that there's only one that's actually
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: like the true invisibility cloak made by death, and that's
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: one that Harry owns.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: It's the original.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: But then you can tavisibility cloak, the debut cloak.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: It's the debut cloak.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Ye, it's not Taylor's original, explaining Harry Potter to Taylor
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Swift fans. It is. But yeah, but like I think
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: other cloks are usually made it out of demiguiser or
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: like have a disillusionment charm on them, so like they
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: don't last as long. I can't remember what book it is,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: but at some point Harry kind of has that realization.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's in Deathly Hallows where he's like, yeah,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I cloak like hasn't lost its ability like clearly og
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: like here, yeah, yeah, interesting.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Speaking of the invisibility cloak. That's another like unanswered question too,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: is like what would have happened if because wasn't it
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: like James correct me if I'm wrong, Like James gave
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Dumbledore the cloak because Dumbledore like wanted to like study
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: it or like whatever. But like if that hadn't happened,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: and if James and Lily like still had that cloak
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: in their possession, they could have like actually like hid
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: from Volden more. Again, it's like things that had to
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: happen in a plot to make the whole.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Story brain James and Lily Snape basically is like the
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: anti HEROO.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh, but I love him so much, but yeah,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: like I just it's like, yeah, I was thinking, like
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: if they if Dumbledore didn't have the like yeah, mm hmmm,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: the Potters literally had something that could have helped them.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: That's so depressing. That's so sad.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: That's like equal to the theory of like when people
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: were saying, like what if the books had ended with
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: and then Harry woke up and his cupboard under the stairs, like, no,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: let's not even bring that up. I don't want to
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: think about that being a possibility.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Well it wasn't and Dumbledore made sure of that.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Well, and then why didn't when they knew that, like
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Baltimore was after them? Why didn't they give it back
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: to like I don't know, like, why didn't when I
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: get that back, like I get having this whole like
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: secret Keeper, which we all know how that turned out, and.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Never trust your friends, folks.
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: Just use an invisibility club, win.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: A doubt, go invisible.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many things about that night that they're
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: like what if moments, If this would have happened, then
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: this wouldn't have happened. If this would have happened, then
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: this wouldn't have happened. Mm hmm. So annoying.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well okay, So next question, who put the vanishing
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: cabinet in Hogwarts? Why was it there was the pair
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: always on the outside? And how did no one know
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: what a security breach?
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: This was?
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Hogwart security.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: It's the top not hogwart security.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: At it again? Like making decisions. Yeah, I will for.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Ever blame Double Door for everything. Guys that I will
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: die on that hill.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: He was just he just loved chaos and mayhem, and
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: so I think he secretly loved when all these crazy
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: things happened. It was an excitement for him. Like She's like,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna put a little bit of hole, Like
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: we're going to protect this castle like nothing else is protected,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: but we're going to have a few little cracks so
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: that we can have a fun time every once in
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: a while.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: And you know, so find this way in and out.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: They deserved to find it because they put in the work.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like he says, like, you know, don't oh here, Harry.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Literally you said, well, here's this invisibility thought to go there. Yeah,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: I just love like in the first movie when he says,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: like stay away from the third corridor. It's out of
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: bounds to whoever does not wish to die of painful death.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: The look on Daniel Radcliffe's face is the epitome of
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: me reading the whole series of like where am I?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Like every other students just like okay, and Harry is
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: like where did I end up? It's like for children
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: a wizard. Yeah, I thought this want to go home
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: school for children?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Where am I?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just yeah, it's so interesting. I don't know
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: who knows.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: I really think it's just it had to be there
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: for the plot.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think it's one of those like it's like,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: did a student just show up one day after break
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: and bring in this vanishing cabinets? Like look at this
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: cool thing I got for Christmas? Or did like a
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: staff member have it and be like, oh, this is
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: so cool. Don't know where the other one is, but
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: you know, like.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Well, and to give him some credit, he also didn't
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: know there was a large bass lisk chilling out under
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: the school.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: So true, very true. And maybe he didn't know. And
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: again it was just like, oh, that'll be fun when
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: that comes out. Chaos, Secret, Chaos Gremlin. Oh yeah.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like all those random objects that are
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: in Hogwarts, Like how the heck did they get there?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Obviously someone had to bring them in. What was the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: purpose when they were brought in?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Right? Well, in the finishing cabinet? Correct me if I'm wrong,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: But wasn't it somewhere in a corridor to begin with?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: And Fred and George shoved. Was it Zabini? It was somebody?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: It was one of the Slytherins into the cabinet, and
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: that's where malco I got the idea because he was
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: hearing stories about when he was trapped in the other cabinet,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: and then it got moved to the Room of Requirement.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: But like, why was it just hanging out in a
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: corridor like I.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Just maybe they think it didn't.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Work, Well, yeah it didn't.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: It was just it was it was just decoration.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: But why would you not think somebody would figure out
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: how to make it work?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: Right, entered Draco.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: I can't.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, all right, well, I think I've caused enough chaos
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: with my death questions, so we'll let Carmen go. Karmen's
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: got a question, speaking.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: Of the Room of Requirement, was the room with the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: mirror of arisaid in Sorcerer's Stone when Harry finds it?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: Is that the Room of Requirement that they're in. Harry
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: found it when he needed it. When Dumbledore mentions moving
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: it to a new home, does he move it to
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: that unending storage version of the Room or Requirement? I
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: don't know, because I feel like when you're reading that
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: chapter like he's trying to get away, he's trying to
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: find somewhere to hide from Filch and he finds this room.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: I think the only thing that makes me think it's
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: not the Room of Requirement is because he continuously goes
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: back to it and can find it with Ron. Yeah,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: but I don't know, well, because then Dumbledore like shows
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: up out of nowhere. So does he show up through
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: a door that opens up in the.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Wall and Dumbledore knows about the rumor of requirement? Yes, hmmm, yeah.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I think the one the one thing that's tricky is right.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know if in that moment Harry would know
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: to be able to go back to it again and again.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, because he does tell him like it's getting
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: moved to new home, I urge you to not go
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: looking for it. So that's what at least makes me
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: think that they moved it to the storage room of
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Requirement because if he can go looking for it, it's
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: somewhere in the castle mm hm.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Or did they just move it directly to whatever the
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: chamber is and like where Fluffy is guarding like past
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: all the trials. Yeah, oh yeah, I don't knows that completely. Yeah,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: which is also a weird thing, like what are all
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: those rooms? Like I want to see the blueprints when
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: they're not used for guarding, right, what is that room? Yes?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: Or does that chess that just live down there now
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: and anyone can go down there and play chess.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, it's interesting to
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: think about though, yeah, because part of me is like,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's the Room of Requirement because, like
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: he said, Nicole, like being able to go back to it.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know that Harry would have understood the magic
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: of the room right then to do that. But then
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: also it's interesting that no one else seems to just
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: stumble into this empty classroom and find this mirror.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's the only thing that's in there. Well,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: and when Dumbledore shows up, you know, he says like
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: he's telling Harry what Ron saw in the mirror, and
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: Harry asks how he knew that, and he says that
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: there's more. I have more than one way of being
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: invisible or something. So I'm just like, okay, did he
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: come through a secret passage? Like what do you mean?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: What do you mean he's.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Just causing chaos again?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Hmm hmm, good question.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Either.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, why would you even just hide it
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: in any old room that anybody could just stumble upon
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: if it's such a big deal, which obviously Dumbledore makes
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: like makes it seem like this is a big deal.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because I mean, I don't think he intended
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: for Harry to find it, because it's such a random
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: place that I just don't feel like that was the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: intention at all. Or is that Dumbledore's secret little spot
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: he goes to.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Which gazed into the eyes of his lover, which fells my.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Next question of what does he see in the mirror?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Which in Fantastic Bats he sees Grindlewald, But is that
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: what he continues to see long end of the Harry
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Potter books.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I was always of the theory that
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: he saw his family alive, rather like Harry does. And
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: that's why, you know, after he kind of explains his
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: whole story and the tragedy, he kind of says something
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: along the lines of, now you understand why I couldn't
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: answer that question of what I see in the mirror
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: of Ara said, Yeah, that's so like I feel like
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: your deepest desire can change over time. Maybe at the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: point that we see this in the Fantastic Beast movies.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: That's still kind of of his biggest regrets, but as
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: he ages, he matures and understanding. No, the bigger regret
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: is I lost my family, sister and my family. Oh Dumbledore.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: I wonder what Harry would see if he looked at
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: it after deathly Holl's I assume you'd still say his parents,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: but I wonder what would change.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I feel like people would be added.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like people, like people got lost. Well, yeah,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: to bring in another fandom here, I'm picturing like you
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: know when Rose dies, well, I think she dies at
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: the end of Titanic, and you've got this room of
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: all the people that died, and you know there's Jack, Like,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like people. Because the thing is like, over
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: the course of the series, Harry obviously gained so much family,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: right like he gains family in the Weasley's Like, I
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: think he would see Lupin like I think he would
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: see Serious, Like he would see these people that he
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have saw before because they weren't in his life before.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: But now they've become family. They might even replace some
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: of the like true family that he sees like because
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: obviously in the movies he just sees his parents, but
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: in the book he sees like his extended family. I
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: think that that would maybe change because of his like
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: found family. Yeah, and he would see those people.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, headwig on his shoulder, there's your death.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I found a way.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, shifting gears a little but like still staying
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: al little bit in the like dark realm, because apparently
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of our unanswered questions are in that dark realm.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Is so I'm wondering, like, why don't they use Verita
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: serum more frequently? So, like it it makes sense to
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: me why this is such a strictly controlled potion by
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: the Ministry of Magic, because obviously there's the moral kind
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: of implications of using Verda serum on somebody, and you
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: can like literally bypass somebody's individual rights of a person
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: if you're forcing it on somebody. But I feel like
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of situations, and again I think a
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: lot of it just comes back to plot, Like you
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: need certain things to happen for the plot of the story.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: But then this is where you get plot holes, and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: you get people like us that dig and find all
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: those plot holes. Like, there's a lot of situations that
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: come up where it could have been really helpful to
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: use Verita serum. So, for example, and Askham, when you've
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: got convicted prisoners such as my guy, Sirius Black right,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: if he had just taken very to serum in that moment,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: we would have learned that he was not who they
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: thought he was. Of course, that could have never happened
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: because we needed him to be the prisoner of Azkaban.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: But and I also thought of Hagrid, who was accused
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: twice of being involved with the Chamber of Secrets. Just
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: give him some Verita serum. You would have learned way
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: back when he was a lit wee child that he
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: had nothing to.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Do with it. But nope, we just expel him.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: And you know, like you wanted to know who opened
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: the chamber and you've got somebody, wouldn't you want to
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: make sure that you've got the right person. And they
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: literally have a potion at their disposal that could help
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: them know that they have the right person, and.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: They don't detector and they and they don't use it well.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: And you would think that after like Dumbledore learns that
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: the the defense against dark Art's position is cursed, that hey,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: maybe learn a few lessons and start to do some
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: background checks and when they come in for their interview,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: slip a little Verita serum in there would have saved
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: us a lot of trouble. But you know, that's just me,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: And like.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: I was thinking that obviously, like you know, there are
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: some wizards that are very powerful that would possibly be
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: able to you know, fight off the effects of it.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: But I still think that, like, there are so many
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: situations where this would have been really useful. But again,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: like I said, if they had decided to use Verita
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: serum in these moments, we would have completely erased certain
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: plots that obviously were important to the overall story.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, And also, like I feel like my
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: other question I was kind of thinking about is like
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: the Unforgivable curses, And I think there's a lot we
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: don't know about them, right, Like we know what they are.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: They're obviously very they all have just you just obviously
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: shouldn't use them because of what they do. But they
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: also work differently than other spells, Like you can't block
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: them in the same way as you can other spells.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: And like, I guess, why do we think that these
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: spells like work differently? Is that like maybe why they
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: became also kind of unforgivable curses because they can't be
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: blocked in the same way and somebody can't defend themselves
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: in a way they could against other curses. Hm. You know,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: you could inadvertently block yourself, I think from something like
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: a vata cadavra. But I mean if you try to
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: use like stupefy against America deva like, it's not going
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: to help you.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: Could they have blocked it with the elder wand would
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: it work against Sam forgivables.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Or maybe.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: And I think like with Harry's case, you know, because
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: him and his trustee Expelliarmus that works for everything for him,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: I think that obviously he's like a he's a he's
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: an outlier in this situation because yes, there was the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: whole thing of like Baltimore having the elder one like
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: we were talking about, and it's not going to harm
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: its its master and so you know, avatica devra is
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: not going to work there. But we know that there
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: is even more to it at that point, although I
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: mean at that point the poor crux is out of him,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: so it's not even that's why it works too, So
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: maybe it does have that power. Maybe I don't think
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: we ever get to see it. Like, could you block
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: the Imperious curse if you had the Elder One?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with the cloak of invisibility showed you against it?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: Probably not, but it's a question, hmm.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Could you use the Cruciadis curse on somebody that was
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: hidden under the invisibility cloak or is there some kind
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: of protection there?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's just like the nature of how
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: hard you have to intend to cause the harm that
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: just makes it useless to block anything, because a block
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: wouldn't work if somebody fully intends to hurt you that much,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: like there's nothing you can really do to stop it.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's just interesting that even like the most
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: powerful of wizards could be affected by these curses.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: Well, because even to that degree Double Doore had the
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: Elder One, still got killed on top of the Astronomy Tower.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: But was he even gonna try to.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: He had to, he had to die in that moment,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: you know, to get the Elder One out of his possession.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: But I think even if yeah, I don't know, I
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: don't know, like, yeah, is he is he powerful enough to.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: I'll never know. He took the answers with him.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Darn it.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: If he could have just counter to one quick spell
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: before taking the leap, that would have been nice.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: But I will.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: I just think there's a lot not known about these spells,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: like who created them, how did they get created? Just
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: the mechanisms behind these spells, the logistics behind these spells.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: Well, because even I mean, it's not an unforgivable curse,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: but like the spell that Snape creates is made out
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: of malicious intent, So yeah, what sparked these spells getting made?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, right, what needs to go into?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Well, that's another question is how are spells even created.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: It's like you find a way to harness a certain
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: type of magic through the worst word. But like, however
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: those however spells are created, then like what really has
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: to go into like creating a evil dark spell?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah? How dark does your own soul become?
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: If you make one yourself?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: M hm.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Oh Cyrus.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Broken heart, Cevrus.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Well, that's I don't even think with him, it's not
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: even necessarily even a thing of like being dark. It's
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: like tormented, right, It's like he it's like his was
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: born out of like a tormented soul.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, poor Sepphorism.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: No. The only question I had came from reading the
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: chapters for Mount and Hella's next episode.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: So the Centaurs no a lot.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: So do we think that they knew every single thing
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: that was going to happen in these books and just
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: chows to tell no one? Yep, Because like in the
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: chapters we find mine.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: He says, like.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: Bain says, hold on, maybe that wasn't vain. Somebody says,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: Centaurs are concerned with what has been foretold. It's not
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: our business to run around like donkeys after stray humans
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: in our forest. We are sworn not to ourselves against
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: the heavens. Have we not read what is to come
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: in the movements of the planets? I think they know.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: I think I think that they know that Harry has
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: to die, and that he has to die of Baldemort's hand. Yeah,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think they know when or how. But I
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: think that's a lot of why they were so upset
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: that Frenzy got involved, because he stopped that from happening
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: in the forest, and they were like, oh, well, you
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: just messed with it. But really, there were all these
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: other instances down the line of where it could happen again.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: So I think they know what ultimately has to happen.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they know like the exact circumstances.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: It's like they're kind of they're aware of the prophecy,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: and maybe they became aware of the prophecy of their
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: own doing with the way that you know, like I
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: don't think that it's necessarily they're just listening to like
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: what seers are saying. I think that they I think
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: because those prophecies are like real whatever. It's like they
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: have their own way to tap into what the seers
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: are prophesizing. That sounded weird, but like in a different way,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, I agree, I think they knew the
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: ultimate prophecy, but didn't necessarily know how it would play
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: out or when or everything that would happen in between, right.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: Well, because Hackard even says like they play dumb, but
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: they actually know a lot more than we know. And
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, I just love the idea that sitting
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: like mere yards away as somebody with all the answers
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: and just nothing, and.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: They're like, we're not going to meddle with those humans.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: So they just because I think I could really see them,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: you know, being of that nature of like things are
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: going to happen, Like things that have to happen are
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: going to happen. These things are fixed events that are
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: going to happen, and they have the burden in a
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: way of maybe knowing about some of these things, and
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: they kind of just have to let it. They just
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: have to let it play out because they know it's
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: fixed events. And right I think that in that moment,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: it's right right there, they're like, you just interfered with this,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Like we knew that that was Voldemort, and we know
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: that this is Harry, and we know that they have
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: to die by each other's hand, and you just interfered,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: but like not necessarily knowing exactly, Like you said that
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: there's going to be all these other opportunities that are
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: going to come in the future where it could happen.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: I think in that moment, there is, yeah, just this
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: panic of like we know this is supposed to happen,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: and here it was playing out and we intervened, when
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: we don't do that, and now is just disrupted time.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just imagine the difference of like if it had
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: all went down right then and there with Harry, It's like.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Well, Okay, be like those the memes like where it's
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: just like that directed by Chris Coleames.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, that exactly, or like Doubledore comes sauntering down the hill. Well, okay,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: the cat's out of the bag. Let me just tell
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: you everything that I know. No longer have to keep
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: this secret from you, right we only.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: Had one book?
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, credits roll. I love those memes because I like
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: the ones too where it's like the ones where they
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: like photoshopped in Harry having a gun or something and
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: then just Christopher Columbus something facts, that's it.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: I think my favorite one is like when like Hermione
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: like fixes his glasses, but she just goes a Vatican out.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: I'm done.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, we're done. Baltimore won.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: So funny, no, because it really could be that simple
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: as far as like if Hermione would have literally just said, Okay,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: y'all go down and try to find this Sorcerer's stone.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not going that's it. They're cooked.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: You're not pulling me into your bs.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: They would have drank the poison. It would have never
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: made it through the logic pads. Well done.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Well that's at the end of the day. I feel
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: like she is the true hero here because so many
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: things would have gone differently if she had not been
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: involved in the story.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Hermione's the hero and Dumbledore is the villain. There am sister.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: But that's the thing is, he's not even just the villa.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: He's the anti hero.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: It's different. It's different.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: I think being the anti hero is not the same
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: as being the villain. I don't think Dumbledore is a
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: villain at all, but I could.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: See the villain in life. So in my.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: Story, n yes, he is my Scooter Braun.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't like him.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: Dumbledore has your red scarf after all these.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the og red scarf.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: No what Taylor was watching while she wrote that, we.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Know I believe it, Like, I don't think it's that
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: far fetched.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: Honestly, there's some songs that I'm like, Okay, this is
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: You're on your own kid, feels like it's I mean,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: that's Harry freaking Potter, like hello.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: There are so many good like fan edits, especially on TikTok,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: especially with like torture poets songs where people put especially
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: the prophecy like that one comes out a lot. But
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: there is a lot that people have made really really
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: great fan edits to the songs and you're like, oh
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: my god, this this song basically is the plot of
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: this this film.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: Well, one of my favorite ones is not even Harry Potter,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: but like The Gray War being about the Hunger Games,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: it's so spot on that it's just like, there's no
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: way that she didn't write this about cat and As
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: and Peta.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: So funny.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: I definitely have some of those same to my TikTok.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: I'll have to go back and revisit them because they
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: were like really big right when Churchurd Poelitz like first
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: came out and people are like, oh my god, this
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: song reminds me of this, and I saved a bunch
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: of them. I'll have to go back and revisit some
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: of those, but.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: It'll be better than me.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: There's traps, yes, those are Those are gone now the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: Halloween season is over until next year.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: I won't judge because they're in my saves, so I'm
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: there with you.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: I was the one that converted Amy back a few episodes.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Was I converted or was I horrified? Nicole? I don't know.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know if you were, I don't know.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: There's a timeline, don't.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know you were. You were a little horrified, but.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: I was a little confused.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: You will go in person? Well, no, because you will
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: never go to Halloween horrnites. I hate that they only
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: come out of Halloween horns.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: I know the problem me too, because I hate to
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: be scared, but I want to see the death theaters.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: But in your reality, if we wit, Amy's fighting the
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: death Theaters and Manicole are just like, hey, yeah, come
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: over here.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Because I'm a Slytherin. I mean I know you're not,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: but like that's fine.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 10: No, those edits are good, though it's a quality edit,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 10: the parent quality edits.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: Amy, bet you never thought we'd put the thirst traps
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: back in an episode.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: Here it is, it lives on. Oh boy.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: I actually saw one about Harry the other day and
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I never thought Harry was this attractive.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: But this edit's pretty good. Started a good job. Never
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: would have saw Daniel Radcliffe on that light, but here
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: we are.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: All it takes is a good fan at it.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: Oh boys.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 11: Anyway, I definitely think we should table this idea to
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 11: do a part two at some point, because I've already
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 11: thought of more questions, like yeah.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: For the sake of the length of the episode. We'll
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: table this for a part two us at some point.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, sounds like a plan. There's so many there is,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: all right, So that wraps up our main discussion. I'm
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: gonna revellio, all right, So we are going to do
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: a hominam revellio and I will explain how this works
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: for Carmen's sake here and Nicole, I don't think you
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: were on the episode that I think Tom Stephanie I did.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: It was the episode I was on my cruise, yes.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, all right. So how this segment is going to
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: work is I've got three clues about a character in
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: the Harry Potter series, and you all get to guess.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like this one might be a little too obvious,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I tried to make it hard,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: but there wasn't much I could do. Okay, So here's
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: the clues. This character did not attend Hogwarts but lives there.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Carries the Goblet of Fire into the Great Hall during
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: the welcome Feast where Bobaton's and dirm String and helped
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: with evacuating underage students from the castle. Prior to the
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: Battle of Hogwarts Dun dun dun dun dun dun dum.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: It's been so long since I read the books, to
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: be honest, Like, I think I have an answer and
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: then I'm like, I feel like I must say it,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: and it's gonna be like that's not even close.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Wow, when you have ideas, shout him out, let's hear him, Okay,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: to just give my answer, sure, go for it, all right,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: Ugust Filch And you're.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 10: Correct, yes on the first joy well, because then I
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 10: was like, what if it's like Professor Binns or somebody
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 10: I'm not even like thinking of, or so many characters.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that helped with evacuating the underage student.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the part that yeah, which I totally forgot
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: about that part, honestly, but yeah, he did that.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: Apparently I did not remember the carrying the gobblet of fight.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: That's the book, yes, the books.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the part that I was like, I don't
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: know if that's Ugust Filter or not. That's the part
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: that was starting there, because you know, in the movie,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: it's just starting up there, so we don't nobody carried it.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: It just appeared it showed up there.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Fun, it's a nice, okay, And for our second segment
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: this week, we're obviously gonna touch on Sonoris. So last
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: episode we asked our listeners what mode of magical transportation
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: they would prefer, and here are some of the responses
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: that we got. So Jerry said, I think I will
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: try the wonderful combination of port key flu and paper
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: charm used by Lally Hicks in the Third Fantastic Beast film.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: Apparently this can overcome the limits that less skilled witches
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: and wizards have when they want to operate across the ocean.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: She and Jacob can travel in apparent comfort and safety
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: from New York to a train somewhere in Europe on
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: the way to Berlin, coming out of a fireplace as
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: if flu powder had been used. They also used something
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: similar to leave that candidate's banquet later in the movie.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: That is how I want to travel, and if I
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: could meet Lally and perhaps even Jacob at the same time,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: it would be about us.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, Jarry.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: Perhaps she can even combine some time travel magic in
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: her spell to explain away the fact that when she
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: first meets Jacob she says quote less than a year
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: ago or something like it, and they end up on
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: nineteen thirties Germany. Since Epic Universe is planning to let
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: people use the Metro Flu network to travel from nineteen
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: twenties Paris to nineteen nineties London, perhaps there is some
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: special time travel magic that we don't know about yet.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: Forever. I'm always bitter about that simple, simple little mistake
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: in the timeline, Like, come on, guys, all I had
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: to do was get that line correct and everything would
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: have been okay.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: I stayed confused on the Fantastic Beast timeline.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: It jumped around so much.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: I was just like, I give up, I'm just here.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: I think they were confused as well.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Thirty something Lallie's saying that it was in the twenties.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: Still I just I don't.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: Know, so there, I was just yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: Was just there for Newt for my final like Hufflepuff representation.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm there for.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: And Felicia said apparition hands down, which, of course I know.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: I said apparition as well, so completely agree with you, Felicia.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Felicia says it's instant, it's free, and once you're proficient.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's very dangerous. I don't know, I
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: don't I think it still could be, Felicia. I think
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: it still could be. Felicia says, between the license and
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: having to reach the age of majority to get one,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: which is seventeen in the Wizarding World versus eighteen in
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: the UK, and the classes and practice provided in school,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: I see strong parallels to driving. There are over thirty
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: thousand car accidents a day in the US alone, and
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: yet we all drive without a second thought.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: It's a fair point, fair point, Felicia being logical.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: Reason, I wasn't prepared for the facts.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: But I think, like with the dangerous thing, and actually
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: kind of to compare it to driving as well, I
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: think that overall, like once you become very proficient, basic
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: apparition is you don't think twice about it. Like we
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: don't think twice about getting in our car and driving,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: but think about when we have to drive in like
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: perilous conditions.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, like, yeah, City, when I
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: make you drive Nicole, because I'm like, oh hell no, Jersey,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: and I'll yell and scream and say there's a truck
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: coming towards us, but you're at the wheel.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: I'm the one at the wheel, like we're traffic conditions, weather.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: I think about the lake effects no that I drove
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: through today. I think, you know, And so I think
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: that even the most proficient of drivers could sometimes have
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: a challenge with driving.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: And I think it's the same with apparition.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: And I think it's situations like think of when our
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: trio had to like very quickly escape and you're in
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: the moment and obviously we know that they have a
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: hitchhiker with them on that apparition, And so I think
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: like in moments of peril and things like that, that's
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: where it then could become dangerous because you're not in
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: your typical element. You have other factors coming into play,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: including your emotions, and that's where it could become dangerous.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: Even if you're proficient, but just.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: Popping down to the grocery store, you should be fine.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: You're fine, don't you text and drive? Same as you
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: shouldn't flee and upright.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, rules to live by.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, And Carolyn said a flying carpet brought in the
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Aladdin magic. There's another fandom for our tally, so Carolyn said,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: though person Weasley may feel differently, Carolyn said, I'm sure
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: he prefers a flying car.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: I can see that.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: And so this week we want to know what unanswered
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: questions do you all still have about the Harry Potter series.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: So we'd love to hear from you. You can drop
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: us an email at Revellio Podcast staff at gmail dot com,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: or reach us on social media where you can find
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: us on Facebook at Facebook dot com, backslash, revelliocast, on
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: Twitter at Revellio Underscore Podcast, and on Instagram at Revellio Podcast.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: And you can also support the show on Patreon at
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Patreon dot com, backslash Revellio.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: Podcast and Carmen, where can our listeners find you and
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: your podcast?
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: My personal bookstagram is at Carman's Reading Corner. I'm on
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: a host on Family Fiction where our instagram is at
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: Family Fiction Pod. You can follow us on there. We
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: don't really have any other.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: Social media accounts.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: It's too much to keep up with, so just Instagram.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: Feel that all right? So that wraps up the show.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, Carmen. This was
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: a really fun discussion. Yeah, thanks for having me on
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: and stay tuned for part two somewhere down the line.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: I'm Amy, I'm Nicole and I'm Carmen Mischief managed