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Trevor Loudon and Scott McMahan reveal infiltration tactics targeting the GOP · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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Welcome to another edition of Travel Out Reports
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on America throughout and out.
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Got a very, very interesting guest today.
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His name is Scott McMahon.
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He's been very actively involved in Michigan politics
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for some time, Christian activist, a very uh
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committed Christian.
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I don't think he'd appreciate the term Christian
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activist, actually.
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And uh very much uh a researcher into
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the networks seeking to divide the Republican Party
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and the conservative movement in this country.
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Is that all of that fair commentary, Scott?
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Absolutely, Trevor, and thank you so much for
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having me.
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I'm honored.
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You're most welcome.
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And what is your sub stack?
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What's the name of your sub stake and
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where can people go to it?
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It's bigger truthmedia.com, and I'm on X.
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I'm I'm very active on X at Bigger
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Truth.
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Okay.
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Okay, well thanks.
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Well, today we're going to talk about something
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very, very that could stir up some controversy
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and might get me banned from a whole
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bunch of places.
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But uh we want to talk.
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Uh I want to get a little bit
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of your background first, Scott, and how you
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got into this, but then I want to
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talk about the networks.
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Um, and uh you've just written an article
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about General Flynn, who a lot of Americans
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regard as a as a hero.
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Um, I know him personally, I've had very
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good relations with him, but you've um, but
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I've also been concerned about many of his
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statements regarding Russia.
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He seems to be either a little bit
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naive about Russia or maybe even pro-Russia.
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And uh you're very concerned about the networks
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and and the work that he's doing inside
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America.
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But uh we'll get into that, but but
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first of all, what led you to this
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path of of becoming a media god, becoming
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a researcher into these networks.
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Thank you so much.
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I the I I do want to just
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honor your courage in having me on because
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uh this is a very, you know, these
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are we're we're talking about a potential insurgency
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on the right, and we're talking about a
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lot of people's kind of sacred cow.
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And um, and so it's it's something that
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that a lot of people just don't want
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to talk about.
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And they're also we're we're also talking about
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a group of people that have a lot
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of influence and control, um, and are also
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very litigious.
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So, you know, it's it's not an easy
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thing to discuss.
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I have no animus, and I I know
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you obviously don't as well um towards Flynn
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or any of the people that we're going
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to be talking about.
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Um, you know, I have nothing against them
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personally, but um, but I'm very concerned about
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their words and their actions and um and
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the networks and their and and even the
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money trails.
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And so that's kind of what we'll talk
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about.
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I uh I was a local journalist um
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in Michigan.
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Um just I I helped start a uh
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a local newspaper in I'm in Le Pier,
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which is kind of in the thumb of
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Michigan, Michigan shaped like a like a mitten
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uh on the map, and um or north
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of north of Detroit and east of Flint,
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uh is kind of you know, it's it's
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a very conservative um area, and I um
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I I was concerned because the local paper
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just wasn't doing any sort of investigative reporting,
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it wasn't really covering any of the issues
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that were happening locally.
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And a friend of mine and I got
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together and we decided to start an online
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local paper, and I had no background in
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journalism outside of just being um a an
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ardent follower of the news cycle, and I
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also was very familiar with you and your
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work.
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I have been for many years.
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Um I've always had uh I've always been
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concerned about communism and and communist infiltration, and
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so you're one of my heroes.
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So I just I'm very uh thank you.
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It's a huge honor to be here.
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Um, so thank you.
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But I was looking into it's starting in
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in December of 2023.
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Um, I started looking into the division within
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the Michigan Republican Party.
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And it it was um, it was intense.
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I mean, the the party was truly falling
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apart, and this is right before the 2024
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election.
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And um, and it was it it was
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it it appeared to me that the state
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of the party and the and the state
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party, a state republican party, the purpose of
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it is to provide the the volunteer resources
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and the the financial resources to help Republican
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candidates to win elections.
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That's really the purpose of the party.
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And uh, and so it had no money.
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The party was was deep in debt.
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Um, they turned they were bragging about turning
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away all of their donors, saying we don't
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need the the elite money sources.
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We we have people, um, but then their
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their people weren't they were all excited about
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certain things, but they weren't helping to get
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out the vote, they had no plan to
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do so.
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And and not only that, but there was
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some intense fighting and trying to get rid
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of Christina Caramo, who was then the state
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party chair.
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So I started looking at this and and
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looking at why, and uh it became clear,
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and and I I launched Bigger Truth Media
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because the scope of this report was was
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just beyond the the scope of the local
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paper that we had started to report on
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uh what whistleblowers were bringing to me.
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I had five name whistleblowers that came to
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me on the record and told me about
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an operative that was behind Christina Caramo, who
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in 2016 was a California registered Democrat, and
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then all of a sudden he shows up
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in 2017, right after the election in Michigan
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and starts making inroads within the Michigan Republican
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Party, got behind Christina Caramo.
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Um he had self-professed ties to the intelligence
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community, and he had, according to my whistleblowers
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and many others who have come to me
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since then and confirmed everything that I reported,
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that he had complete mind control over not
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only Christina Caramo, but in but an entire
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cult-like following that was around her.
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And so he this individual is actually running
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the Michigan Republican Party and behind the his
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name was Michael Abdee, and he was behind
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all of the decisions to drive away deliberately
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drive away all of the donors and and
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make the party into just a completely chaotic
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A completely chaotic and useless entity.
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and useless entity.
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And uh, so I reported on that, and
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And uh so I reported on that, and
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that initial report was seen uh 150,000 times.
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that initial report was seen uh 150,000 times.
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Uh it was read by President Trump.
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Uh it was read by President Trump.
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Um, and uh just a few days later,
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Um, and uh just a few days later,
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um, it was acted on.
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um, it was acted on.
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Um, Michael Watley, who was then the general
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Um, Michael Watley, who was then the general
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counsel.
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counsel, this is before he became the RNC
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This is before he became the RNC chair,
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chair, he was a general counsel for the
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he was the general counsel for the Republican
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Republican National Committee, and he got involved issuing
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National Committee, and he got involved issuing an
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an opinion saying that her that the efforts
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opinion saying that her that the efforts are
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to remove her were according to the bylaws
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and that she was no longer the chair.
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She was refusing to step down.
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And so we had actually two Republican parties
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in Michigan for um almost two months in
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in 2024 in this pivotal election season, when
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um it the end result of all of
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that was um she was forcibly removed by
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um by a judge and um and and
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forced to no longer call herself the the
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state party chair, um and it was it
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it was chaotic, but she was forced to
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remove to be removed.
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Um, and I believe that even the judges
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were reading my reporting because I was the
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only one reporting on this at the time,
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and and what was really going on behind
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the scenes um with all of this, and
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so I started looking at other states, and
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people were coming to me from other states
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saying the same exact thing is happening here,
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and it it was um that using the
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and there was the same tactics.
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I was reporting on you know, specifically how
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I was really curious how did this individual,
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my collabity gained such strong um mind control
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over the the Michigan Republican Party over this
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huge faction within the party, and uh and
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the the language, the tactics, everything it was
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mirrored and it was replicated in state parties
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throughout the country, and um, so I I
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did a report on uh several other states
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and showing the similarities, and they were using
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deliberately they were teaching and and using Solinski's
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tactics, saying, you know, these classes, you know,
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we have to use these tactics against them.
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They were creating a um uh this grassroots
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versus establishment dialectic and saying that the elites
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within the party um they all need to
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go, and anybody who didn't ascribe to their
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um their their purity test ideals um were
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they were part of this establishment and they
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needed to go, they needed to be removed.
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And so this grassroots, which was really a
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collectivist group, mind control group, they they were
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demanding complete control over the party, they wanted
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to take over the party and kick out
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everybody else, and so I I was looking
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at Washington, Oregon, Idaho, um Arizona, um South
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Carolina, and it was all the same.
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And since then I've I've talked to people
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all over the country.
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Is it it it is the the same
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process and that they've gone through, and it
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all goes back to Steve Bannon and Mike
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Flynn, and um and the reawaken tour, uh,
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which was very much kind of a feeder
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program for this, and the um the the
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it was they called it the the precinct
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strategy, which Steve Bannon started promoting right after
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Joe Biden was inaugurated in 2021.
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And what was Bannon's what was what was
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Bannon's stated objective and and and not in
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bringing the strategy forward?
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Well, he actually said that the purpose was
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to take over the Republican Party to kick
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out all the rhinos and all the establishment,
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um, and to save to save the Republican
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Party and save the country.
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This is the thing after telling us it,
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you know, kind of feeding the the Q
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kind of like narratives that Bannon had been
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feeding, which was you know, this is there's
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no way that that uh Biden's going to
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be inaugurated.
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Um, you know, this was a stolen election.
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Um we can't we can't move forward until
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uh we fixed 2020, and you know, and
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all of those kinds of narratives that he
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was putting forward, then he made then suddenly
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he said, No, here's the solution.
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You've been sitting on the couch, this is
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the thing to do, go out there and
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get involved in your local Republican party.
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It doesn't matter if you don't know anything
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about anything, go out there and and and
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the angrier you are the better, and go
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out there and sign up.
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And and what they had done is they
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had created a whole network of of state
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level organizations all over the country that uh
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with gatekeepers at the top that um I
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that were at a minimum centrally trained and
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instructed, and um, and I believe that it's
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even more than that.
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There were organizations that were linked to Flynn
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that were traveling all over the country um
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recruiting and training leaders for this organization.
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It was really uh the way I see
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it, it was it was a military style
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um insurgency that that was put together, and
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it's very much in line with uh Flynn
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the tactics that Flynn used throughout his career.
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Uh in foreign countries, exactly, but in this
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case it was against the Republican Party.
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See, this and this is the the big
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thing, and like in general, I was sympathetic
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to the to the grassroots takeover of the
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party.
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But I'm seeing now that the like this
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is this is a uh very much a
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communist tactic.
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Like, you know, the communists gave us woke,
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for instance, they gave us all this political
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quaintness and wakeness, and then they give us
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the alternative to it, which is basically fascism,
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you know, a la Nick Fuentes and these
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sort of people.
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And um, it seems to me that the
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insurgents, the populist insurgents tend to tend to
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be motivated, many of them tend to be
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in the pro-Russia camp, for instance.
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Many of them tend to be very anti-Israel,
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for instance.
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So while I sympathize, you know, I because
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I've had my um I've had plenty of
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experience with uh Republicans that I think have
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been pretty weak and and haven't really done
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much, and I've generally supported the more populist
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um grassroots way, but I'm starting to see
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that there's a destructive side to that, and
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uh, you know, we could be throwing the
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baby out with a bath water here.
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So I see some value in both sides.
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I see that you know, we the Republican
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Party, I think has been pretty weak for
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Already stood up for its values, which sparked
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a long time and not really stood up
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a populist revolution, but that populist revolution is
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for its values, which sparked a populist revolution,
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but that populist revolution is being manipulated by
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being manipulated by people who want to steer
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people who want to steer the Republican Party
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the Republican Party in a uh more even
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in a uh more even slightly fascist direction
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slightly fascist direction and definitely a pro-Russian um
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and definitely a pro Russian um a pro
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a pro-Russian anti-Israel direction.
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Russian anti Israel direction.
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Am I would you agree with those sentiments
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Am I would you agree with those sentiments
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or what do you think?
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or what do you think?
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, I think that was extremely well said.
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Yeah, I think that was extremely well said.
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I
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I um the the way that this I
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I also was sympathetic initially uh for the
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first few years of it.
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I used to listen to Steve Bannon.
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Um until it was early 22 that I
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stopped, and it was actually my pastor that
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said, You need to stop listening to this,
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just take a break from all political stuff
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because he could tell that I was becoming
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radicalized in some way, and uh, and I
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didn't see it at the time.
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And so I but I I saw that
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as from the Lord, and I so I
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stepped back, I took a break from it,
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and it never went back because I I
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gained uh uh just uh you know some
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some level of sovereignty and freedom over my
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own thinking, and I realized the extent to
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which my thoughts uh were really being manipulated
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through the daily listening to the that podcast
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in particular, and and I didn't miss a
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podcast like from the time that that he
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launched it all the way until early 22.
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I listened to just about every single one
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of his podcasts.
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He was doing up to three a day.
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So um so there was you know, it
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was and it would really had an effect
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on me psychologically, and so I I am
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sympathetic to that, and I understand um and
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how that happens, and I also believe that
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um the idea of a and a group
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of individuals coming together, a true grassroots movement
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to reclaim our sovereignty um as individuals and
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for you know try to gear things back
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towards um the I think the intent of
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of the framers of the constitution, which is
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a protection, you know, that that our government,
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the purpose of our government fundamentally is to
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protect us from itself, and there's there's you
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know, we've we've strayed from that.
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Um and so I do believe that we
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need to work towards that, and so we
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need to come together as individuals.
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But the problem, like you said, is that
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there's gatekeepers that are at the top of
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this that are steering this and using tactics
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that most people aren't really familiar with or
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even aware that it's being done to them
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um through you know really potent propaganda to
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steer them in a direction that they think
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is the right direction, but you know, it's
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that 10% or that 20% distortion that um
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that results in extremely negative outcomes.
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Well, one of a good example, I think
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it'd be someone like Marjorie Taylor Green, who
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a lot of people liked.
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I liked her for a spirit and a
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fight until she became basically a fellow traveler
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of the communists, hanging around with Code Pink,
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echoing Russian propaganda, um, you know, just becoming
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a very divisive figure.
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Take Carlson is another example.
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I think Steve Bannon is another great example.
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And the the thing I find common to
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all of them, they're all pro-Russia, all of
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them.
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Yep.
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So one thing that really struck me.
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Um, and and I want to discuss the
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article you wrote on um Mike Flynn's ties
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to some very pro-Russian, uh new pro some
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people connected to a new pro-Russian organization.
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But uh you um you showed some graphics
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of the of the awaken America tour, you
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know, that was done, you know, in partnership
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with General Flynn and uh Clay Clark, and
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the title of it echoed exactly the same
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title used by the famous Russian philosopher uh
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and neo-communist Alexander Dugan.
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It's the the title of the tour was
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the same title that he'd used in his
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book.
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Can you elaborate a little bit on that?
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Yes, yeah.
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So the the title was The Great Awakening
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versus the Great Reset that was Alexander Dugan's
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book.
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And they in a lot of the marketing
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materials for the reawakened tour, um, they actually
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use that exact language.
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They said the Great Awakening versus the Great
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Reset.
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The only difference is they put reawakening, like
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the reawakened tour.
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Um, and so they put R you know
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R and script in front of the the
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Great Awakening.
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Um but the even the the imagery, like
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even the font is very similar, you know.
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But but even more than that, I think
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the the ideology is is very closely aligned.
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And um, and for me, I really the
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so I didn't initially see these Russian ties.
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That wasn't something that I saw or understood
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as I was looking at this.
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I mean, I I started just looking at
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state Republican parties in this infiltration, and then
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I started looking at Flynn, and then I
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started realizing that looking at Flynn's influence network
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that he very systematically built.
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Um, and it's it's really impressive how he
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built this influence network.
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And then I started looking at what he
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was doing in churches through uh especially through
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an organization called Citizens Defending Freedom, where they're
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they're going into whole congregations and embedding uh
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working with pastors and the lay people in
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the whole congregation to um embed human intelligence
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resources into churches, propaganda media resources and lawfare
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legal resources into churches, uh, in as part
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of a broader plan to help take over
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Republican parties.
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Um and and so I was really disturbed
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by that, and and they're using what they
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call America's revival to feed and market towards
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that.
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Then I started looking at well, why are
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they you know there's something geopolitical going on
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here?
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I didn't really understand it until I started
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looking at at um the Promethean Pack and
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LaRouche.
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And I started looking at that because that
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again is in Michigan, Susan Kokinda, who runs
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Promethean Action, one of the two grandmothers that
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runs it, she's a vice chair of the
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Michigan Republican Party.
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And um, and I'd been seeing things for
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some time here in Michigan that were just
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really concerning about that she was doing, especially
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one of the candidates that she was writing
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named Mike Steeger, and Mike Steager, he was
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running for Congress at the time.
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Now he's running for the state house.
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Um, he has a long history of promoting
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she and the CCP's Belt and Road initiative,
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and he's also been a part of um
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And he's also been a part of um
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LaRouche and this LaRouche.
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LaRouche and this LaRouche.
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Um, I I think it has the hallmarks
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Um, I I think it has the hallmarks
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of a cult.
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of a cult.
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Um the you know, this this whole LaRouche
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Um the you know, this this whole LaRouche
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apparatus.
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apparatus.
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And um, and so as I was looking
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And um, and so as I was looking
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at Susan Kokenda, I learned that she for
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at Susan Kokenda, I learned that she for
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55 years, 55 years ago, she joined LaRouche
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55 years, 55 years ago, she joined LaRouche
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when he was uh avowedly and overtly um
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when he was uh avowedly and overtly um
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he he described himself as being a uh
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he he described himself as being a uh
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a Trotskyist.
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a Trotskyist Leninist, and he called he called
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himself America's Lenin.
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And this is when she joined him.
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So you know, and she had a uh
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fresh political science degree.
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She got married within that organization, um, as
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did Barbara Boyd, and she never left.
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And then almost immediately after that, starting in
21:50
1973, LaRouche started work, they were working, and
21:53
this is all public, they were working with
21:56
the Soviets, and they started this um kind
21:59
of rebranding where their focus, instead of like
22:02
Trotskyist, Leninists, let's you know, have let's foment
22:05
a communist revolution within America, they shifted their
22:09
marketing to promote narratives that were based on
22:12
the idea that communism is a British Jewish
22:15
conspiracy, and um NATO is evil, it's the
22:18
the real enemy is um the the evil
22:21
Jewish British bankers, and they're really secretly running
22:24
the whole world and this whole conspiracy theory
22:28
around that that you know that that uh
22:31
that NATO is an evil aspect of it,
22:34
though the and then you know this this
22:37
fed into what Alexander Dugan is saying with
22:40
the Great Reset and the World Economic Forum,
22:43
and so we need a reawakening to what
22:46
the real enemy is, which is the World
22:50
Economic Forum, and the British bankers are really
22:53
behind that, and NATO and Q is very
22:56
much a part of this whole thing.
22:59
I mean, there's uh there are Q drops
23:02
that actually say that this suggests very clearly
23:05
that Trump was uh covertly working with Russia
23:08
and China against uh the globalists, and so
23:11
they say yeah, they say things that they
23:14
will say explicitly, as has Owen Schreuer, who
23:17
is Alex Jones offsider, that the Russians and
23:20
the Chinese are the good guys, and America
23:23
is the bad guy.
23:26
And that this has come through QAnon, which
23:28
I think was a Russian disinformation operation to
23:31
a large degree.
23:34
Um La Rouche was definitely a Russian operation,
23:36
the LaRouche outfit.
23:40
And you see you get guys like Bannon,
23:43
you get guys like um, you know, uh
23:46
Jake Pasobic, um, other guys, uh, Tucker Carlson,
23:49
obviously uh all pro-Dugan and to a large
23:53
degree pro-Russian, and they're all pushing this narrative
23:56
that America really is the bad guy.
23:59
We can make friends with Russia, you know,
24:02
Russia's a Christian nation, even though it isn't.
24:05
And um, you know, we got to reorientate
24:08
a whole global foreign policy, get rid of
24:10
Israel, get rid of NATO.
24:13
Well, what happens if we destroy our alliance
24:15
with Israel?
24:16
We are blind in the Middle East.
24:19
What happens if we destroy NATO?
24:21
Europe gets conquered by the Russians, and uh
24:24
we're one step closer to subjugation ourselves.
24:27
So all of it, all of it lines
24:30
up with Russian foreign policy goals, which is
24:33
still basically world domination.
24:37
Exactly.
24:37
And that's that's exactly what you know that
24:40
this multipolarity that they're talking about that it
24:42
started as far as I can tell with
24:44
with Dugan, but it's really I mean, this
24:47
is this is kind of what well LaRouche
24:49
was working on all along since the 70s,
24:51
and as they were working with, and I
24:53
think that you know ultimately that came from
24:56
the KGB.
24:58
Um well, it was a revamp of the
25:01
non-aligned movement of the 60s when Yugoslavia, the
25:04
there was two camps in the world, the
25:07
the the first world, which is the West,
25:10
second world, which was Russia and Russia and
25:13
the Eastern Bloc, third world, which was China
25:16
and the little communist little countries, and and
25:19
the non-aligned movement was was to form uh
25:22
three blocks in the world, you know, and
25:25
two of them would be against the West.
25:28
Um but I think see La Rouche was
25:31
working this on the right, you know, he's
25:34
trying to bring these ideas into the right,
25:37
and now the networks around Flynn are trying
25:40
to bring these ideas into the right again,
25:43
and they're building on the work of LaRouche
25:47
and uh QAnon and many other things.
25:50
And the the purpose is to totally realign
25:52
America, take over the Republican Party and totally
25:54
realign our foreign policy in favor of Russian
25:57
China.
25:59
That that's how I see it.
26:02
Yes, and uh, and that is it's hard
26:05
to argue against that.
26:08
Um, when especially as I mean you've been
26:10
looking at this so much longer than I
26:13
have.
26:15
Um, but from the perspective that I came
26:18
to this, which is looking at the fruit
26:21
of their labors within the Republican Party, within
26:25
state and local parties across the country, and
26:28
you know, and and you see elements of
26:31
what history describes from communist takeovers within the
26:34
Republican parties.
26:38
There's the the character assassination, the struggle sessions,
26:40
the you know, all of that stuff.
26:43
Uh there's I've documented it within state and
26:46
local Republican parties across the country.
26:49
And so just to just have the cool
26:52
have a quick break here.
26:55
Uh uh um Scott, and we'll get straight
26:57
back after the spring.
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And you just finished up.
31:06
You're talking about you you see these sort
31:08
of Maoist communist type tech type tactics within
31:10
the GOP.
31:12
Can you expand on that a little bit
31:13
more?
31:15
Yeah.
31:15
I so I uh one example, one concrete
31:18
example is in uh district one in in
31:20
Michigan is the the upper peninsula of Michigan,
31:23
and it's it's an area that they call
31:25
them the youpers because it's they call it
31:28
the UP.
31:31
Yeah, for upper peninsula, and it's just an
31:36
area that um it has a reputation of
31:40
being uh uh culturally oriented towards conspiracy theories.
31:45
Um and uh, you know, obviously there's there's
31:47
exceptions to that, but there's there are, for
31:50
example, uh an a an abnormally large percentage
31:53
of uh residents of the UP that believe
31:56
that that uh the earth is flat.
31:59
And so there's you know, it's just there's
32:01
that's that's just part of it's always kind
32:04
of been part of the culture, and and
32:06
that goes back to um the belief in
32:09
in Bigfoot and stuff like that.
32:12
You know, it goes there that's very much
32:13
entrenched in that that area.
32:15
At least that's the lore.
32:17
Um, but in the Republican Party, there the
32:20
D1 has been one of the most controlled
32:22
um by this faction.
32:26
And there were a couple, there were a
32:28
handful of people who had been there longer
32:31
who were really they were professionals, you know,
32:34
they knew how the Republican Party works, they
32:36
knew how to win elections for the party.
32:39
Um, and they had pretty solid um conservative
32:43
ideology.
32:47
And um, but they they and they rejected
32:50
this kind of cult-like thinking that was within
32:53
the party.
32:56
And so they they were just an enemy.
32:58
They were labeled um, they were labeled rhinos
33:01
and uh uh the you know just the
33:03
bad guys that had to be gotten rid
33:06
of.
33:09
And so they actually held on Zoom what
33:12
was a uh um you know, it really
33:15
was a struggle session.
33:19
I mean, they were they were telling them
33:20
that they had to change their views, otherwise
33:22
they were going to be removed from the
33:23
party.
33:25
That they had to repent and recant their
33:28
thinking, and and otherwise they would be removed
33:30
from the party.
33:33
They said, We're not gonna do that.
33:35
And so they voted to remove them from
33:36
the party.
33:38
And uh, I actually got a recording of
33:40
that, and I I um I reported on
33:42
that.
33:44
This was two years ago.
33:45
Uh, and now they're they're kind of trying
33:47
to do the same thing and d one,
33:48
the same people that are involved that were
33:50
involved in that then.
33:52
Um, are trying to remove one of a
33:55
friend of mine who's uh another vice chair
33:58
of the party who's been very vocal uh
34:00
against this movement within the party.
34:03
And so they they just a couple weeks
34:06
ago uh issued a a resolution that he
34:09
needs to be removed from the party.
34:12
And so, yeah, they're just this is but
34:14
that's typical in Idaho.
34:16
They they passed a um uh a resolution
34:19
and they created a new rule that created
34:22
a um uh a committee that could hold
34:25
these trials within the party and remove anybody
34:28
that they felt didn't align with what they
34:31
said Republican values.
34:35
Um there was a document that they put
34:37
forward here in Michigan that this that this
34:40
group that was aligned with Caramo put forward,
34:42
they called it a new constitution for the
34:44
Republican Party, and they actually said that the
34:47
loyalty to party needed to come above um
34:49
any other personal interests for every delegate within
34:52
the party.
34:55
Uh so and that's that theme.
34:58
There's some in Arizona, there was a similar
35:00
um set of of rules that that Shelby
35:00
um set of of rules that that shelby
35:02
Bush tried to pass there.
35:03
bush tried to pass there uh and shelby
35:04
Uh and Shelby Bush has um received her
35:06
bush has um received her pack has received
35:07
pack has received about 700,000 from Flynn and
35:09
about 700 000 from fln and patrick burn
35:09
Patrick Byrne and Mike Lindell.
35:12
and mike lendell um so you know the
35:13
Um so you know, the and that's there's
35:15
and that's there's there's money flows to all
35:15
money flows to all of these operatives in
35:18
the States.
35:18
of these operatives in the states okay so
35:20
Okay, so I see the Republican Party changing.
35:21
i see the republican party changing and i
35:24
And I see a large number of Putin
35:24
see a large number of putin republicans now
35:27
Republicans now, and a lot of people.
35:27
and a lot of people who in the
35:30
republican party would be happily throw israel under
35:33
the bus don't want to defend ukraine and
35:36
are happy to see NATO dissolved and that
35:39
would have been pretty shocking even 10 years
35:42
ago but now it's quite common do you
35:45
see this as this the this change in
35:48
attitude is as a direct result of of
35:51
what these operatives are up to 100% yes
35:54
yeah and this is something that's been systematic
35:57
um in the way that it's on that
36:00
that it's rolled out um I was warning
36:03
about these the especially the anti Semitism uh
36:06
almost two years ago and seeing how the
36:09
leaders and operatives within the Flynn's network were
36:12
sowing the seeds for that and um and
36:15
it's it's happened exactly as I feared it
36:18
would happen.
36:22
And so how were they sewing the seats
36:24
for anti Semitism how how how would that
36:26
work?
36:29
Well it it starts with their arguments are
36:32
that uh you know that APAC for example
36:36
owns Congress and uh and that um israel
36:39
is and and masad are running psyops to
36:42
try to control our minds you know basically
36:45
they they accuse masad of doing what Russia
36:49
is actually doing um and that and uh
36:52
that you know they they really focus a
36:55
lot on the imagery um the of um
36:58
people dying in Gaza uh and and they
37:02
they focus on that exclusively just like the
37:05
Palestinians have been doing for decades um without
37:08
any and and then it also started Flynn
37:11
himself the other the other aspect is the
37:15
the whole idea that October 7th was was
37:18
that Netanyahu was actually complicit in October 7th
37:21
and um so that conspiracy theory the Flynn
37:25
himself was promoting that even just a week
37:28
afterwards after that happened and there was a
37:31
time where Flynn was quite defensive of Israel
37:34
but and and so his statements of recent
37:38
times have been of a very different character
37:41
have they you know I don't see that
37:44
he's ever really taken a strong I mean
37:47
he's he has said it you know he's
37:51
he's kind of towed that line and that's
37:54
something that really even until just recently he's
37:57
been very um he's been very careful to
38:00
make sure that he would still align with
38:04
Trump and to to appear to be supportive
38:07
of Trump even as he was kind of
38:10
sowing narrative seeds and then encouraging his underlings
38:13
and his network to go much more full
38:17
throated in the direction of these narratives than
38:20
he would go himself.
38:24
And so yeah no that's interesting you uh
38:27
and what first alerted me to Flynn is
38:30
was Flynn's views was when he said uh
38:33
a while back that uh you know Russia's
38:36
invasion of Ukraine has upset the globalists' plans
38:40
so you know painting Putin as a sort
38:43
of good guy which is very much along
38:46
the the lines of what these narratives promote
38:49
and also saying uh and speaking favorably of
38:53
um favorably of multipolarity which is a complete
38:56
Russian invention uh designed to weaken America and
38:59
uh even pro promoting the views of um
39:02
uh what's the young guy uh Jackson Jackson
39:06
Hinkle who is ahead of the American communist
39:09
party a very militantly pro-Russian young man who
39:12
has lived in Moscow in recent times and
39:15
is an absolute parrot for Russian propaganda but
39:19
Flynn promotes him so what what alerted you
39:22
to a possible problem with with General Flynn
39:25
now how how far back does this problem
39:28
go in your in your view in in
39:32
my view it goes back to 2013 when
39:35
he went to the gr you um what's
39:38
the what's the gr you for people who
39:41
might not know that's the the the russian
39:45
version of the there that's the Russian foreign
39:48
intelligence so it's like kind of like the
39:51
DIA the defense intelligence administration but mainly mil
39:54
it's military intelligence that's the yeah correct uh
39:58
and so he went as it when he
40:01
was the DIA director he went he was
40:04
the first head of an US intelligence agency
40:07
to actually go into the GRU in Moscow
40:11
and through their security and and everything else
40:14
and the CIA the head of of um
40:17
of Russia related work for the CIA at
40:20
the time said that this is just a
40:24
bad idea and you know that the there's
40:27
no good outcome to this but he went
40:30
and did it anyways and ever since then
40:33
um there's he has exhibited close ties to
40:37
the gr you and to Russian intelligence um
40:40
and a lot of those ties were used
40:43
um I believe deliberately in my opinion to
40:46
um to smear Trump and to to provide
40:50
the FBI with what became fodder for the
40:53
the Russia gate investigation.
40:57
The Russia collusion well you know then he
40:59
goes what was it 2000 so at whose
41:01
initiative was he invited to the GIU or
41:04
did he just think it would be a
41:06
good idea to go visit his counterparts in
41:09
Moscow yeah there's really not any public reporting
41:11
that answers that question so that's that's really
41:13
one of my big questions if I ever
41:16
if I could ever sit with Flynn and
41:18
give him some truth serum that would be
41:21
that would definitely be one of my questions
41:23
for him.
41:26
Right.
41:26
Okay so then there's a famous incident where
41:29
General Flynn went to Moscow and sat at
41:32
a banquet with Jill Stein of the Green
41:35
Party and uh Vladimir Putin which was then
41:38
used basically against Trump was it not yes
41:40
yeah and that was just um just weeks
41:43
I mean that was just like two months
41:46
before Flynn officially joined Trump's campaign he was
41:49
already unofficially working with his campaign at that
41:52
time and and communicating with with Trump at
41:55
that time.
41:57
So this was that was a huge thing
42:00
Paid over 45,000 by RT and and other
42:00
and he was paid over 45000 by RT
42:02
um uh organizations that were affiliated with the
42:03
and and other um uh organizations that were
42:05
Russian government to to go and have that
42:06
affiliated with the Russian government to to go
42:07
dinner and sit right next to Putin at
42:09
and have that dinner and sit right next
42:10
that dinner.
42:12
to Putin at that dinner and Andy McCabe
42:13
And Andy McCabe, who was then the deputy
42:15
who was then the deputy director of the
42:16
director of the FBI, told Congress that that
42:18
FBI told Congress that that meeting in particular
42:19
meeting in particular, and uh coupled with Flynn's
42:21
and coupled with Flynn's ties with Russian intelligence
42:23
ties with Russian intelligence, formed the predicate for
42:24
formed the predicate for the preliminary investigation that
42:26
the preliminary investigation that later became Crossfire Hurricane.
42:26
later became crossfire hurricane
42:30
So you know, you can see from the
42:33
Russians' point of view, they want to bring
42:36
down the Trump administration, they want to divide
42:39
the Republican Party, Reagan's Republican Party, their main
42:42
enemy, and you can see how they would
42:45
use General Flynn to do that, whether whether
42:48
he was witting or unwitting.
42:52
Correct.
42:53
Correct.
42:55
Yeah.
42:56
Looking at the fruit, that's exactly that has
42:57
been the outcome.
43:00
And so you you did I wrote an
43:03
article recently about the sovereign turn, which is
43:06
uh was founded in Moscow on April 26th
43:09
or 27th this year, a gathering of 10
43:12
international communist parties uh to re-establish a sovereign
43:15
turn, uh a communist international.
43:18
They want to have something like 90 parties
43:21
belonging to it, and the American delegation was
43:24
led by Jackson Hinkel of the American Communist
43:27
Party with five of his comrades, and um
43:29
uh another party's and you wrote a very
43:32
interesting article on your substake.
43:35
I hope you can give us a title.
43:39
Pointing out that Flynn had connections to two
43:43
of the parties attending this pro-Russian pro-communist operation.
43:48
Can you share some details of that?
43:50
Yes, absolutely.
43:51
Thank you.
43:51
The the headline is Flynn's Communist Connections, how
43:54
the generals network leads straight to Moscow's new
43:56
international consortium.
43:59
And uh the first thing that I think
44:02
is the most important is the money trail.
44:05
Flynn is now registered with FARA.
44:08
Um, of course, back in 2016, he received
44:10
530,000 from a source that was uh that
44:13
he knew to be close to directly related
44:16
to Erdogan.
44:18
Um, and he didn't register with Farah, and
44:20
that was part of what caused um you
44:22
know all of the problems and it that
44:24
contributed to Russia Gate.
44:27
But so now he's actually registered.
44:32
Correct.
44:32
Bar is the foreign agent's registration actor, is
44:34
that correct?
44:36
Yes, yes, thank you.
44:37
So, you know, if you're receiving money from
44:39
a foreign government, you're supposed to register with
44:40
FARA.
44:42
Uh if you're receiving money from a foreign
44:44
government in order to do influence operations or
44:46
advocate advocacy or to lobby on behalf of
44:48
a foreign country, uh, you're supposed to register
44:51
with FARA.
44:53
And um for obvious reasons, right?
44:56
You know, so that the public could know
44:58
that this is what you're doing.
44:59
So Flynn right now is actually registered with
45:01
FARA.
45:02
He did in October of 25, and he's
45:05
been receiving 100 about 100,000 a month from
45:08
um an organization directly linked to Millerad Dodic,
45:11
who is a Bosnian Serb, who he's the
45:14
most vocal supporter of Vladimir Putin in the
45:17
Balkans.
45:21
And uh, and this is so this is
45:24
Serbian uh, you know, this is tax dollars
45:26
from the Balkan people that's being paid to
45:29
Flynn to advocate on behalf of Dodek, who
45:32
was sanctioned by the United States government for
45:34
his proximity to Putin.
45:37
And um, and he is Flynn was able
45:41
to successfully get those sanctions lifted against Dodic.
45:45
And then immediately after, starting in November of
45:49
25, Flynn's brother, Mike Flynn's brother Joe Flynn
45:53
and Jesse Benal, who's Mike Flynn's uh primary
45:57
litigation attorney, started a company, a Wyoming corporation,
46:01
um, and that ended up very quickly getting
46:05
a contract for a 1.8 billion dollar um
46:09
gas pipeline and other infrastructure contract um out
46:13
of in the Balkans.
46:17
And that was uh it's it, I mean,
46:19
there's there's no uh evidence that that is
46:22
directly related, but the timing and the proximity,
46:24
everything else, the Flynn's had no background whatsoever
46:27
in infrastructure projects anywhere, let alone in the
46:29
Balkans.
46:32
Well, we've seen the case of a president's
46:34
son who had no experience in the energy
46:37
industry of uh being a board member of
46:40
a Russian uh Russian company, haven't we?
46:43
Barisma.
46:44
Yes, that is it's it's an interesting parallel,
46:46
isn't it?
46:48
Yes.
46:48
So so okay, this is a pipeline in
46:51
the in the in the um in in
46:53
the Balkans.
46:56
Where is the energy coming from?
46:58
Yeah, it's a natural gas pipeline that brings
47:01
uh American natural gas from that that would
47:04
be shipped to Croatia to a port in
47:06
Croatia, and so it's a pipeline that delivers
47:09
that American natural gas uh elsewhere throughout the
47:12
the Balkans.
47:15
And so Trump actually pushed this and helped
47:17
to make this happen because it's American natural
47:20
gas, and on the surface, it makes us
47:22
it it you know, it makes that region
47:24
less dependent on Russia.
47:27
Um but I I believe that Putin has
47:30
much bigger aims than just um the the
47:33
you know how where the natural gas is
47:36
coming from that they're consuming.
47:39
So um but the back to this this
47:41
story and this connection.
47:44
So Dodic, I I would and I found
47:45
this out because I was looking at your
47:47
reporting.
47:48
I was looking at the list of organizations
47:49
there.
47:50
I saw that there was there was an
47:53
organization called uh I think the the what
47:55
was the name of the organization?
47:58
I think it was um the Serbian Socialist
48:01
Network or something like that.
48:03
Yeah, yeah.
48:04
Um, that the movement of socialists is and
48:06
this is one of the groups that set
48:09
up the sovereign term, the communist sovereign.
48:11
That's right, one of those 10 groups.
48:13
And so I looked into that group and
48:14
to see, well, are there connections there to
48:15
Dodic?
48:17
And sure enough, it's extremely closely connected with
48:18
Dodic.
48:20
The founder of that group is named Bojan
48:23
Vulan, and Vurin uh was his brother was
48:26
one of the speakers at that event.
48:29
And um Vulin was appointed by Dodic to
48:32
be a member of his uh Senate.
48:36
Um and the that movement, the movement of
48:39
socialists, that that organ that socialist organization was
48:42
one of Dodek's primary supporters in getting him
48:45
elected.
48:49
So it is basically a communist pro-Russian organization.
48:53
That's right.
48:54
And so Flynn was connected to Dodig, and
48:57
Dodic was connected to key figures, some of
49:00
Key figures, some of whom participated in this
49:01
whom participated in this socialist party that's now
49:03
socialist party that's now part of this Russian
49:05
part of this Russian-backed communist international.
49:06
backed communist international.
49:09
That's right.
49:09
That's right.
49:09
Yeah.
49:09
Yeah, and I mean the the proximity to
49:10
And I mean the proximity to Putin goes
49:11
much closer.
49:13
Putin goes much closer because even just last
49:13
Because even just last week at the um
49:16
week at the um uh the victory day
49:16
uh the victory day march in Moscow, Dodek
49:19
march in Moscow, Dodek was there for that.
49:20
was there for that.
49:23
And I posted in in the story a
49:23
And I posted in in the story a
49:25
clip of of a video of Putin himself
49:25
clip of a video of Putin himself welcoming
49:27
welcomed.
49:28
Dodek and talking about how important it is
49:30
that they be of the same mind and
49:33
how close he is with Serbia, how close
49:35
Russia is with Serbia, and and how important
49:37
that alliance is, and that they need to
49:40
work together to bring about a new world
49:42
order.
49:45
Free of any external intervention.
49:49
Meaning America.
49:52
So okay, so General Flynn has got ties
49:55
to some questionable people in the Balkans.
49:59
Um you know is associated with this pro-Russian
50:02
communist movement.
50:05
And so Flynn is uh one of the
50:08
the key founders of the Sovereign Turn, as
50:10
I said, was the American Communist Party, not
50:13
to be confused with the Communist Party USA.
50:16
This is a breakaway from the Communist Party
50:19
USA that is explicitly pro-Russia, pro-Iran, pro-China, and
50:22
um that one of the leaders is Jackson
50:25
Hinkle.
50:28
And uh what's what's um Flynn's relationship with
50:31
Jackson Hinkle.
50:34
Well, he's been supporting and promoting Jackson Hinkle
50:36
on X for some time.
50:38
Um for I and I I have in
50:41
here some screenshots, uh, for example, of a
50:43
post that he did in March of 2024
50:46
saying fascinating interview by Jackson Hinkle.
50:49
We need to be listening.
50:50
And more important, and more importantly, hearing all
50:52
points of view, right?
50:54
Um, but Jackson Hickel, he also appeared on
50:56
Tucker Carlson show.
50:59
Uh, and you've documented that on your key
51:01
key wiki website.
51:03
Um but you know, so there's the the
51:06
ties to this broader insurgency that that Flynn
51:09
is just one part of um are pretty
51:11
significant.
51:14
But he's also I I also posted, and
51:16
this was really significant in my mind.
51:19
Um a week after Charlie Kirk's assassination, Jackson
51:21
Hinkle wrote this long post with all of
51:23
these points.
51:26
Um, that he said every Israeli connection to
51:28
Charlie Kirk's assassination.
51:31
So claiming that that it was Israel that
51:34
was responsible for murdering Charlie Kirk.
51:37
And Flynn himself responded directly to that post
51:40
on X saying this timeline and set of
51:42
statements by Jackson Hinkle have to be part
51:45
of any serious investigation.
51:48
That's very interesting because the first reference I
51:52
saw to Israeli alleged involvement in Kirk's assassination
51:56
came out of the gray zone, which is
52:00
run by Max Blumenthal, who is explicitly pro-Russia,
52:04
works with the Canadian Communist Party and others,
52:07
and this meme that that Mossad or Israel
52:11
was behind Kirk's assassination is completely a Russian
52:15
disinformation exercise, in my opinion.
52:19
Do you think that's fair fair analysis?
52:22
Well, I think that this really proves it.
52:24
I mean, you've got and Jackson Hinkle moved
52:27
to Moscow right after Trump was elected.
52:29
Yeah.
52:30
So you've got Jackson Hinkle, communist in living
52:33
in Moscow making this this argument that is
52:36
it's Israel that killed Charlie Kirk.
52:39
Uh, and and he wrote that on September
52:42
14th, five days after Charlie Kirk was murdered.
52:46
And then Flynn responds to that.
52:49
And says, you know, this needs to be
52:50
investigated.
52:52
Tagging Pam Bondi, turning point, Alex Jones, Joe
52:55
Rogan, and Tucker Carlson.
52:58
Well, yeah, well, Alex Jones is always been,
52:59
he's been a pro-Russia guy for a long
53:01
time.
53:04
Real fount of uh Russian propaganda, Tucker Carlson
53:06
the same.
53:09
But that's interesting.
53:10
So, you know, it's my contention, the Russians
53:13
are behind largely behind the rise in anti-Semitism
53:16
on the US right.
53:19
And that's obviously to divide and discredit the
53:22
Republican Party, but also break our ties to
53:25
Israel, which is strategically important for Russian and
53:28
Iranian designs on the Middle East.
53:32
So you got Flynn, who was uh head
53:35
of the DIA, you know, defense intelligence agency
53:38
protecting us from these sort of people, now
53:41
promoting their propaganda.
53:45
Yep.
53:45
Yep.
53:46
That's exactly right.
53:47
And and it's in black and white.
53:50
I mean, it's not this isn't we don't
53:51
have to speculate about it.
53:53
It's it's his own words.
53:56
Well, look, Scott, unfortunately, we've come to the
53:59
end of the time, but I want to
54:02
do a part two of this fairly soon
54:05
because it's it's ongoing, this this major division
54:08
of the Republican Party, this rise of anti-Semitism
54:11
and pro-Russian populism, which is infecting the country,
54:14
um, is very dangerous.
54:17
And to think that someone like General Flynn,
54:19
who many people look up to, including myself
54:21
for a long time.
54:24
And I look, I've I talked to the
54:26
guy, he's a lovely guy, he's a patriot,
54:29
but I think he swallowed some Russian propaganda
54:31
here and and taken some money that he
54:34
perhaps shouldn't have taken.
54:38
I think that that's probably accurate.
54:41
Yeah, so I don't think he believes he's
54:43
a communist.
54:44
I think he thinks that Russia is a
54:46
Christian country and the West is hopelessly corrupt,
54:48
and he can foment, you know, bring about
54:51
some sort of realignment.
54:53
A lot of these people believe that they
54:55
think Russia's gonna save us from the bad
54:58
guys, which is the US government, and he
55:00
couldn't get two more evil governments than Russia
55:02
and China, but now they're being cast by
55:05
some of these people as the good guys.
55:08
So look, look, um, thanks for coming on,
55:09
Scott.
55:11
And I I urge people, can tell people
55:13
where they can go to your substate.
55:15
Yeah, my subsack is bigger truthmedia.com.
55:19
And I have been all of my reports
55:20
are on there.
55:22
Um, there's some the the I brought some
55:24
of the thing, some of the key reports
55:26
out of the archives, so there's no paywall.
55:28
Uh, but I've got two and a half,
55:30
almost two and a half years of reporting
55:32
there, or uh and much of it.
55:35
The only place that you can find this
55:37
reporting is on my substack because it's not
55:39
something that the media on the left or
55:41
the right has been willing to cover.
55:43
And and look, I endorse it hardly.
55:45
Everything I've seen Scott Wright has been on
55:48
point and very meticulously searched.
55:51
And Scott's not a guy who will make
55:53
claims um, you know, just blow off claims
55:55
to nothing.
55:57
Everything he says is backed up.
55:58
So look, I urge people to subscribe to
56:00
To subscribe to Substack and watch what Scott's
56:00
a substack and and watch what Scott's putting
56:02
putting out.
56:03
out.
56:05
So thanks very much for coming on, Scott.
56:05
So thanks very much for coming on, Scott.
56:07
We'll get you back soon and develop these
56:07
We'll get you back soon and develop these
56:09
points further.
56:09
points further.
56:10
I'll just I'm interested to see if we
56:10
I'll just I'm interested to see if we
56:13
get any pushback over this episode.
56:13
get any pushback uh over this episode.
56:16
Oh, it'll be interesting, or whether they'll give
56:16
Oh, it'll be interesting, or whether they'll give
56:18
it the silent treatment.
56:18
it the silent treatment.
56:20
We shall see.
56:20
We shall see.
56:20
But thanks very much for coming on, Scott.
56:20
But thanks very much for coming on, Scott.
56:23
Thank you so much, Trevor.
56:23
Thank you so much, Trevor.
56:24
It's been it's been a joy.
56:24
It's been it's been a joy.
56:26
Well, likewise, and uh, you know, God bless
56:26
Well, uh likewise, and uh you
56:29
and God bless our listeners and uh God
56:31
bless America.
56:33
Thank you very much.
56:34
Amen.
56:35
Thank you.