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Bengals Booth Podcast: Back in the High Life · Bengals Booth Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hi again everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I'll be back in the
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  Speaker 1: laugh again addition, as I discussed Cincinnati's defensive upgrades with
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  Speaker 1: NFL analyst and Bengals on the Brain YouTube host Joe Goodberry.
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  Speaker 1: thing since the presidential statues in Rapid City, South Dakota.
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned on last week's podcast that my wife and
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  Speaker 1: I recently visited Mount Rushmore. While we were there, we
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  Speaker 1: stayed for a night in nearby Rapid City, and they've
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  Speaker 1: capitalized on their proximity to the Mount Rushmore Monument with
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  Speaker 1: a cool tourist attraction of their own. There are life
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  Speaker 1: sized bronze statues of nearly all of the US presidents
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  Speaker 1: lining the city streets and sidewalks. The only president missing
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  Speaker 1: is Joe Biden, and that statue is in the works.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a scavenger hunt. On one corner you might
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  Speaker 1: see John F. Kennedy. On the next, Martin van Buren.
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  Speaker 1: My only regret is that I didn't take the time
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  Speaker 1: to post for a picture next to the statue of
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  Speaker 1: our twelfth President, Zachary Taylor. Now let's get to my
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  Speaker 1: first guest this week. We welcome come back one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite NFL analysts, Joe Goodberry. If you're not already
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  Speaker 1: watching his Bengals on the Brain videos on YouTube, presented
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  Speaker 1: by First Star Logistics, you're missing out on some tremendous content.
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  Speaker 1: The Bengals roster has been significantly upgraded through free agency
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  Speaker 1: and the draft, meaning it's a great time to check
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  Speaker 1: in with Joe. Joe, you have been creating Bengals content
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  Speaker 1: and providing analysis for nearly two decades now. Were you
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  Speaker 1: shocked when you learned about the Dexter Lawrence trade.
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  Speaker 2: Completely shocked. I mean I was one of the people
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  Speaker 2: that were like, sure, it'd be great, but I'm not
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  Speaker 2: even going to spend more than a minute thinking about it,
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  Speaker 2: because remember the few weeks before it happened, It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of a two avenues met at the same time. One
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  Speaker 2: was the feeling that they didn't do enough in free
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  Speaker 2: agency and this couldn't be what Jamar Chase and t
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  Speaker 2: Higgins went on Radio Row and what Joe Burrow was
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  Speaker 2: expecting right where was the big fish? It was a
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  Speaker 2: good free agency and we'll talk about it, but there
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  Speaker 2: was that feeling was like running parallel to what was happening.
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  Speaker 2: And like three weeks leading up to the Dexter Lawrence trade,
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  Speaker 2: on social media, a lot of people there was buzz.
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  Speaker 2: People were hearing things for whatever reason, and they'd ask,
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  Speaker 2: what are the chances? What do you think? And my
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  Speaker 2: response every time was I'm not even gonna think about it.
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  Speaker 2: So when it happened, I was like, I cannot believe this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we went live, we had a whole thing
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  Speaker 2: because what a you know, I mean, you could be
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  Speaker 2: a Bengals hand for fifty years, has something like that happened.
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  Speaker 2: They've made trades, They've had some big signings. We've talked
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  Speaker 2: about tarall Owen's like, man, look at the superstar, but
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  Speaker 2: not like this, not in a super Bowl window, not
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  Speaker 2: when the team needs this juice inserted, And man, did
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  Speaker 2: they do it in a big way.
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  Speaker 1: I did a podcast in February with our mutual friend
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  Speaker 1: James Rapine, and one of the categories for each of
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  Speaker 1: us was to provide a hot take, and my hot
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  Speaker 1: take on February twelfth was that the Bengals should trade
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  Speaker 1: the tenth overall pick to the Raiders for Max Crosby.
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  Speaker 1: I think, when you consider age and contract, I'd rather
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  Speaker 1: have Dexter Lawrence.
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  Speaker 2: What about you too? Yeah, the last couple of years
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  Speaker 2: I was doing this when the Bengals maybe there was
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  Speaker 2: still maybe a small chance that Trey Hendrickson could return, right,
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  Speaker 2: we at least had to explore that heading into free agency,
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  Speaker 2: that it could happen, and the idea that the Bengals
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  Speaker 2: could be interested in Max Crosby. Reports were that they
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  Speaker 2: at least called and I believe from what you know
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  Speaker 2: people I talked to that they did have interest in it,
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  Speaker 2: but I was looking at it like the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of years for Max weren't his best years number one,
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  Speaker 2: and the Raiders don't have a lot around him. He
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  Speaker 2: was really fighting for his life out there to even
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  Speaker 2: get a playoff sometimes because he'd be doubled and triple teams.
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  Speaker 2: But he was still really good against the run. But
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  Speaker 2: his pass rush numbers were at this point eroding pretty routinely.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a pretty scary sign when you see pass
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  Speaker 2: rush win rates start to drop by four or five
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  Speaker 2: percent every year for the last two to three years,
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  Speaker 2: And for Dexter Lawrence, that really hasn't happened. And it's
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  Speaker 2: funny because the the kind of the narrative after the
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  Speaker 2: Bengals tradeed forms, they gave up too much. His best
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  Speaker 2: years were two years ago, and I went back and
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  Speaker 2: looked at the data. His numbers haven't really fallen off.
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  Speaker 2: If you look at the advanced analytics, the past rush
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  Speaker 2: win rate, how much he's being doubled, And it really
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  Speaker 2: just comes down to are you in more of the
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  Speaker 2: back of the nineteen eighty six baseball card that says
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  Speaker 2: how many home runs you had, or are you're more
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  Speaker 2: into what a guy's bat speed looks like in launch
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  Speaker 2: angle and things like that. And for Dixter Lawrence, he
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  Speaker 2: is still winning at an incredibly high rate. You throw
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  Speaker 2: on the tape and he is getting doubled, and he
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  Speaker 2: is a man amongst boys. He's such a rare player.
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  Speaker 2: You could talk about him and how unique he is,
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  Speaker 2: how much of a unicorn he is at that position.
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  Speaker 2: Those tackles don't get pass rush numbers like him, they
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  Speaker 2: don't accumulate pressures, they don't win in past rush situations.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and they don't typically just line up at the
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  Speaker 2: nose and get doubled as often as he does. He's
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  Speaker 2: leading all of those tackles in the league last five
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  Speaker 2: years in a gap snaps and double team rate, and
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  Speaker 2: by far he's got seven need more pressures than the
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  Speaker 2: next nose tackle. He's just an absolute freak.
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  Speaker 1: How does he compare to DJ Reader at DJ's best.
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  Speaker 2: At DJ's best, he was a force multiplayer and that
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  Speaker 2: that phrase has been thrown around a bunch go heading
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  Speaker 2: into this offseason, right El Golden was like, we kind
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  Speaker 2: of need those guys. I thought Jesse Bates was one.
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  Speaker 2: I thought DJ Reader was one. I believe Trey Hendrickson
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  Speaker 2: was one as well. When you have multiple of them,
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  Speaker 2: you can you can build around them with guys that
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  Speaker 2: maybe are average or just you know your run of
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  Speaker 2: the middle defenders, and you can put together a good defense.
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  Speaker 2: And DJ Reader was extremely good against the run. Physical
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  Speaker 2: at the point of attack, can handle double teams, had
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  Speaker 2: great vision, could really lock guys out and really control
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  Speaker 2: them without breaking much of a sweat while keeping his
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  Speaker 2: eyes on the ball. He's got to shut him, He's
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  Speaker 2: got to work them back the other way. Whatever he
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  Speaker 2: had to do, Reader could do it. He looked like
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  Speaker 2: he was in full control of whatever was happening around him.
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  Speaker 2: H versus the run. I wouldn't say Lawrence is as
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  Speaker 2: good there. There are times he can get pushed backwards
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  Speaker 2: or get moved a little bit. But I think he's
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  Speaker 2: more of a athlete than DJ Reader was. He can
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  Speaker 2: play you a little bit differently. It's not all strength
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  Speaker 2: and technique. While he's really good there, he can also
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  Speaker 2: beat you with athleticism. So he tries to do that.
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  Speaker 2: He tries to throw that curveball every once in a while.
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  Speaker 2: A Reader didn't right, he was a fastball only pitcher.
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  Speaker 2: We got more baseball analogy somehow today. But you know
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  Speaker 2: so there is a bit of a mix for Lawrence
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  Speaker 2: which allows him to win at times, but also he
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  Speaker 2: loses a couple times on that. As a pass rusher,
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  Speaker 2: it's not even close. Reader was a capable nose tackle.
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  Speaker 2: Deck could get you have four sacks in a season,
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  Speaker 2: could get you maybe thirty pressures. Even if he was
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  Speaker 2: out there in nickel packages. He wasn't out there all
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  Speaker 2: the time in your pass ress situations. Lawrence is not
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  Speaker 2: going to come off the field. He's going to be
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  Speaker 2: one of your best run defenders. He's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a guy that commands double teams in your base defense.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to make your front work. You start with him.
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  Speaker 2: Offenses are going to start with him when they start
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  Speaker 2: their pass protection and run blocking schemes, and then he's
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  Speaker 2: going to be out there in your pass ress situation
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  Speaker 2: because he's one of your best pass rushers. He can
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  Speaker 2: win from all alignments, and he can do so much
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  Speaker 2: that that's what makes them different and separates him from
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  Speaker 2: the run of the mill nose tackles.
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  Speaker 1: He's a gigantic man in a sport filled with gigantic men.
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  Speaker 1: But as I've watched some of the offseason practices. The
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  Speaker 1: way he moves is mind blowing. Is that the differentiator
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  Speaker 1: with him just how well he moves at that mammoth size.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's typically those tackles aren't that athletic, they're not
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  Speaker 2: that explosive, and he carries that that weight really really well. Right,
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  Speaker 2: Some guys have the you know, it's getting into scounting
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  Speaker 2: terms and could be sometimes maybe offensive. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you get the big guys, sometimes they're sloppy, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: they're not, you know, completely strong cut, cut up, chiseled.
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  Speaker 2: You can carry three hundred and forty pounds in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of different ways, surprisingly, you know. And Lawrence to
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  Speaker 2: me is the right bill that you want for a
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  Speaker 2: guy to be a stout at the point of attack
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  Speaker 2: and drop anchor and handle the team. But also when
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  Speaker 2: he starts getting going forward or cutting laterally to try
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  Speaker 2: and cross the face of alignment, it's shocking how quick
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  Speaker 2: he moves.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let me follow up on the notion of
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  Speaker 1: being a force multiplier. You use that expression for DJ reader,
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  Speaker 1: and certainly we're thinking about how dexter Lawrence can do
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. You study far more tape than I do.
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  Speaker 1: For your analysis on the Bengals on the Brain YouTube
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  Speaker 1: channel presented by First Star Logistics. What do you expect
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  Speaker 1: from the second year linebackers as the result of Dexter
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  Speaker 1: Lawrence's presence.
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  Speaker 2: I do expect them to be better just because it's
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  Speaker 2: their second year. Just to start with that they have
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  Speaker 2: stayed with BJ Hill and maybe even Jonathan Allen and TJ. Slaton,
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  Speaker 2: they would have been better just because of experience we've
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  Speaker 2: seen in today's NFL. Linebackers coming from college have probably
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  Speaker 2: the steepest learning curve if you want to use PFF grades.
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  Speaker 2: I did a study on this. The lowest performing position
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  Speaker 2: as a rookie is linebacker over the last ten years.
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  Speaker 2: So that's to be expected that they will struggle and
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  Speaker 2: they typically get better in year two. So start there. Now,
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  Speaker 2: how does Dexter Lawrence become a force multiplayer and help
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  Speaker 2: them When you are commanding the attention in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the defense and it requires you to block him
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  Speaker 2: with two guys because if you may try, and this
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  Speaker 2: is it's funny when you watch the film, it'll be
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  Speaker 2: eight plays in a row he's getting doubled and you're like, Okay, Lawrence,
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  Speaker 2: really hasn't any chance to do anything. And then there's
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  Speaker 2: the single block and there's him killing the play, and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, okay, offense, go back to doubling him for
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  Speaker 2: eight more plays. So they get tired of the linebackers
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  Speaker 2: beating them because you're not sending that center up to
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  Speaker 2: go get the linebacker, and they're like, okay, single block
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  Speaker 2: Lawrence this time, let's go get that linebacker. And then
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  Speaker 2: Lawrence kills that play. So it's you can double team
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  Speaker 2: him and neutralize him, but at the risk and at
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  Speaker 2: the detriment of your own offense and allowing these linebackers
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  Speaker 2: to be free, which is the idea. If you have
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  Speaker 2: good defensive tackles in front of you, as a linebacker,
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  Speaker 2: you're not dealing with lineman getting up to you're not
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  Speaker 2: dealing with the line of scrimmage getting pushed at you.
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  Speaker 2: You have more time to react, more time to read.
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  Speaker 2: You have clearer vision, you can see what's happening. You
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  Speaker 2: can get to these holes quicker and with more authority
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  Speaker 2: because you're free to do it, So they're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: more chances to make plays. I thought they dealt with
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  Speaker 2: that especially the first half of the year, not only
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  Speaker 2: are you swimming as a rookie? Last year, the defensive
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  Speaker 2: line struggled to hold the point of attack and really
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  Speaker 2: set the line of scrimmage. They were much better in
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  Speaker 2: the second half of the year, and I thought we
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  Speaker 2: saw and with the linebackers growing at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the rookie season, but it happened together for a reason.
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  Speaker 1: We're visiting with Joe Goodbarry. You can follow him on
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  Speaker 1: x at Joe Goodberry. Your last appearance on this podcast
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  Speaker 1: was on January twenty nine. We looked ahead to free agency.
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  Speaker 1: I asked what specific players should they pursue, and the
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  Speaker 1: first name you mentioned was Brian Cook. So feel free
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  Speaker 1: to patch yourself on the back. Why were you and
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  Speaker 1: why are you so high on the former University of
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati safety.
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  Speaker 2: He may represent the biggest upgrade of anyone signed or
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  Speaker 2: acquired him free agency. And that's not just on the Bengals,
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  Speaker 2: I think in the league because again, now disrespect to
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  Speaker 2: the former players when we talk about DJ Reader and
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  Speaker 2: how much of an upgrade it is to Dexter Lawrence,
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  Speaker 2: this is different. Geno Stone was a liability in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of ways. The safety room was an issue we've
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  Speaker 2: been talking about safety for a couple of years. We
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  Speaker 2: can't hide that, right when you just go from one
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  Speaker 2: of the most mistackles in the league in Stone to
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  Speaker 2: a guy who's become an incredibly secure tackler in Brian Cook,
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  Speaker 2: especially the last two years, one of the best tacklers
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  Speaker 2: at safety when you put on the film. He's got
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  Speaker 2: good bulk to him, good size, he can hit with that,
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  Speaker 2: he tackles with power. Very smart player. He played a
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  Speaker 2: ton of free safety as well for the Chiefs, which
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  Speaker 2: if you're looking for a complete one for one there
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  Speaker 2: Genostone being the primary free safety in Bengals defense. You
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  Speaker 2: add in Brian Cook and you're not going to have
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  Speaker 2: the mental lapses as often, You're not gonna have the
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  Speaker 2: effort questions, you're not gonna have the mistackle. I mean
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  Speaker 2: just right there. If he adds the stability, adds to
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  Speaker 2: the communication of that back half, it's such a big upgrade.
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  Speaker 2: And he's twenty seven years old to start this season.
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  Speaker 2: He got better every single year. That's something I typically
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  Speaker 2: look forw when I'm watching taper trying to look at
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  Speaker 2: e whether it's a draft prospect or somebody that's coming
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  Speaker 2: up in free agency. Is did this guy continue to
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  Speaker 2: get better, and if they do, it's a good sign
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  Speaker 2: that they are putting in the work. Coaches see it
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  Speaker 2: also in practice or in the film room or whatever's happening,
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  Speaker 2: and they're giving them more and more responsibility and believing
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  Speaker 2: that they can step up, and when they do, they
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  Speaker 2: answer the call. And that's been Brian Cook. You can
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  Speaker 2: say he's been better every single season and he's just
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  Speaker 2: now getting to where he probably is going to spend
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  Speaker 2: the peak of his career.
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  Speaker 1: We also discussed the importance of bringing Dalton Reisner back
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  Speaker 1: on the offensive line. I think it's the best offensive
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  Speaker 1: line the Bengals have had in the Borough Era. But
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  Speaker 1: is it good?
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  Speaker 2: That is the question, isn't it. Yeah, it's funny because
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  Speaker 2: I just had this question Mike Clay. I think of
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  Speaker 2: ESPN does rankings for every position group around the league.
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  Speaker 2: He did the offensive line, and I think he had
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  Speaker 2: the Bengals thirty first, and it's shocking because I think
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  Speaker 2: as in Cincinnati or his Bengals fans were looking at
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  Speaker 2: it like this is the best offensive line. I think
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  Speaker 2: objectively we would all say this is the best of
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  Speaker 2: the Borough era. Plus you're bringing all five starters back.
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  Speaker 2: I talked to people that are not Bengals fans, you know,
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  Speaker 2: outside of doing this, and they'll say, man, did they
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  Speaker 2: add any offensive line? And I'm like, not really. They
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  Speaker 2: added a couple of draft picks, you know, rookies that
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  Speaker 2: probably won't play if everything goes right this year, and
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  Speaker 2: they're shocked by it. And I think the perception is
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  Speaker 2: not what everyone feels inside that building, that this offensive
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  Speaker 2: line got so good last year off their first three
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  Speaker 2: weeks or so, I think I said when I was
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  Speaker 2: with you last time, after that Vikings game, that was
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  Speaker 2: the worst run blocking I've ever seen. Like that game,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, this, maybe Scott Peters isn't the guy.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they made a mistake. Maybe they should blow
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  Speaker 2: this thing up and start again. And then towards the
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  Speaker 2: end of the year, I was complete point eighty. This
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  Speaker 2: offensive line was blocking great. The run scheme looked fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: They were getting such good production. The run game efficiency
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  Speaker 2: was near the top of the league, ended up top
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  Speaker 2: five and in success rate and EPA per run, which
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have predicted that after the first month. And
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  Speaker 2: you look at Dalton Reisner, he had his best run
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  Speaker 2: blocking season of his career. Last year he fit with
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  Speaker 2: Scott Peters for whatever it is, that's a good fit
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  Speaker 2: and that was his knock. The reason why I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of teams weren't interested in Riisner and still weren't.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't get a lot of money from the Bengals either,
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  Speaker 2: so there must not have been a lot of interest
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  Speaker 2: out there. Is because of his run blocking. He was
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  Speaker 2: a very good run blocker for the Bengals. Seemed to
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  Speaker 2: fit in personality wise, character wise. I think they're good
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  Speaker 2: on all five spots right now for at least going
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, you could say this about the entire roster.
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  Speaker 2: Is there a starting spot that's up in camp or
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  Speaker 2: are we gonna go on camp? Like I think we
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  Speaker 2: know who the twenty two starters are on each side
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  Speaker 2: of the ball, maybe Jaylen Davis, maybe the slot positions up.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they'll figure that out and piece it together. But overall,
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  Speaker 2: that's you wouldn't say it's a competition between like a
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  Speaker 2: second round pick and a free or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: The line is set and they added to the depth.
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  Speaker 2: You should feel good about it. And I just hope
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: they're healthy and stay healthy because it could be a
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: really good unit.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Reisner did not join the team until late August last year.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Noah Fant arrived after the start of training caps, so
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: there will likely be additions between now and the season opener.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Is there anybody out there, whether it is a current
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: free agent or a rumored cap casualty that you are
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: keeping an eye on.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: We have said a lot about linebacker since last year
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: and heading into free agency, we talked about linebacker and
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: are they going to go get one? I believe they
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: did target a few guys and didn't end up hauling
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: them in and didn't get one in the draft either.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: It was kind of a weird run of the off
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: season here as everyone talked about it and they just
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: on the surface ignored it. But I know deeper they
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: were looking at that position. So well, they circle back, now,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: do they want to see how Brett Carter and Demetrius
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Knight respond in OTA's Are they talking about them out
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: the evaluation of like, you know, those guys seems too
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: mentally have picked it up. They're moving at a different
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: pace now. Then maybe you don't go sign a guy,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: but you could go out there and get a Bobby
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Wagner who has tons of experience and still playing at
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: a decent level. He can't move laterally as well anymore,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: but he can still come downhill, can still hit. Played
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of sam linebacker last year for the Commanders,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: which if the Bengals want to do that, and they
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: did it with Demetrius Knight, I think they're getting away
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: from it as one of the reasons why cash Is
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: how was a priority pick for them. But if they
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: did want to do it out of a four to
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: three defense, Bobby Wagner did it a lot last year.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Could they could see that as a fit could usher
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: and help bring along these young guys and maybe push
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: them to another level. I think Shaq Thompson also is
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: with the Bills last year, former first round pick. I
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: believe in Washington with the Panthers, more of a safety
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: linebacker hybrid type coming out, very good athlete that has
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: aged really well for him. He can still move very
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: well in space. He had a really good game against
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: the Bengals. If you remember in the snow shack, Thompson
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: was everywhere. He's still out there. I'd be interested. He's
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: more of the value guy. I think Wagner is still
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: the command six million plus because of how long he's
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: played in the accolades and then for a potential cut
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: trade option. That're kind of in the same list if
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: you look on the internet right now, I'm still looking
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: at running back and the depth there. Chase Brown's in
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: the final year of his deal. They did not draft
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: a guy typically that's something they would do a year
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: ahead of time at that position. They've always valued running back.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Som JP Ryan is the primary backup. We like sma
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: JP Ryan, but again, at what point do you need
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: to start to look at his future and getting someone
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: behind him. We didn't get to see enough of TODJ.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Brooks last year. I think he would have been drafted
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: much higher in this year's running back class that was
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: really poor Historically poor. Brooks could have been a fourth
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: or fifth round pick, maybe a little bit higher, but
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: we didn't get to see a lot as a rookie.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: And if someone comes up, I've got Roshawn Johnson here.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I think we've was a former fourth round pick out
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: of Texas with the Bears right now, and they've done
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: a lot at running back the last couple of years.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: He's kind of been relegated to some third down stuff
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: and special teams that sounds like an ideal number three
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: or four running back. If he's cut, I think he
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: could come in and add a bigger body to the room.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Even though Brooks and p Ryder there, I'm thinking, you know,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to if he could surpass them down the line. I'm
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: still a big fan of Roshan Johnson and I would
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: be interested in him.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: We are visiting with Joe Goodbarry, the host of Bengals
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: on the Brain on YouTube. It is presented by First
• 19:16
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• 19:20
  Speaker 1: You have done extensive tape breakdowns on that channel. Of
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: all seven Bengals draft picks this year, let's start with
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Cassius Howell, the SEC defensive player of the year, the
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: forty first overall pick. He had eleven and a half
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: sacks for Texas A and M last year. He's got
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: great speed, he's got great explosiveness, but he's got really
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: short arms. We talked about this a lot where ruben
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Bain was concerned going into the draft and Cassius Howell's
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: arms are even a little bit shorter than ruben Bain's.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Did you like him as the forty first overall pick?
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: And how concerned are you about that lack of length?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I really liked him with that pick as it was
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: coming around. It's funny because I we always do this.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: We have guys we like in January and February, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: then as it gets closer, I think free agency effects this.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: So next year, I'm gonna try and remember this, this
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: point I'm gonna make here. As free agency comes and goes,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: you start to go, well, they still need a linebacker,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: they still need a tight on, whatever the position may be,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and you kind of forget about the guys you liked
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: that were in the mix in January and February, that
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: you would have said, hey, given me a clean slate,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I'll take Cash's howl if he's available at the spot.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And then it comes around and he's available and they
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: pick him, you go, oh, yeah, I remember I really
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: liked Cashs howl in January thirtieth or whatever. But you're
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: talking about a different pass rusher to add to their buffet.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: They've got a lot of different guys now on this
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: defensive line. It's really exciting. Will they be good enough?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Same question for the old line, definitely better. Will it
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: be good enough to be a championship caliber defense? We'll
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: we'll find out. But what they do have is a
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: whole mix of different kinds of rushers, and this gives
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: them that last one maybe the cherry on the top here,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: because he is your explosive, agile rusher that can bend
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: and cut, change direction, and they really can't do that
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: with Miles Murphy. Schmar Stewart, you know, a freak athlete,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: didn't do his agility drills because I think Schmar struggles
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: with that part of his athleticism. Although I agree with
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: your video the other day, did look quicker and his
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: moves in the OTAs. I would have said the same
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: thing to him, like you look just a touch quicker it.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I'd be working on it. But still don't think that's
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: his area of strength. That he's more of a linear,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: explosive power athlete. And then even boy, my fey really
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: good get off. Same with Miles Murphy. He can't turn
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: the corner as well as cash as hell, and that
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: many can. Howell can really stick his foot in the ground,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: can bend. When I talk about Ben talking about ankle
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: flexion and the degree of where you can plant that
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: foot in the ground and still be leaned over, kind
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: of nascarth that thing around the corner, get that full
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: g force around the apex, trying to pull you to
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the ground, and he's able to withstand that and get down.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: And that knee almost scrapes the turf as he cuts
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: and bends around these linemen. And he so often doesn't
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: even shoot a move. He is almost giving you a
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: jab step and then dipping around as the linemen are
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: shooting their hands. Very reminiscent of von Miller has said
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: this too in podcasts, that he's gotten older who is
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a free agent. I wonder if he could help cash
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: this out a little bit. But he has said that
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: it wasn't so much he had to go to move.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: It was that he had a great understanding of when
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: linemen were gonna punch and like the timing of okay one,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: two three, I need to put my hands out there
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: or else I'm gonna let this guy get in my chest.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: And he said he'd almost time these guys on film
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: to know when they shoot their hands, I'm gonna dip
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: under it and get under and turn the corner. And
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Howell seems like he has mastered that as well. I
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: don't know if he is on the same film study level,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: or if he knows it but he does it on
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: film and it gives you something different. I will say
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: that last part about the arm length, it is a factor,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: and his wingspan is another part. Ruben Bain at three
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: inches longer and wingspan, it can affect him. He can
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: get hung up on guys and he's not the biggest.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: He's six two and a half two fifty three, so
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: that could be length, that could be overall bulk size
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: strength that gets him hung up on lineman too much.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I will say the Bengals when they measured him personally
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: had him at thirty one inches a little bit more
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: than historically.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I like that term buffay to describe the Bengals
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: defensive line now and the various options they have going
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: after the quarterback. Do you think there's something to be
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: said for the variety and how it affects an opposing tackle.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Does it make it more difficult if you are setting
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: up to block Miles Murphy or Shamar Stewart on one
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: set of downs and then the next set of downs
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: it's a smaller, speedier guy like cash as Howell.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I think so. I've had these conversations with Willie Anderson Bengals,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: great Ring of honor guy, and how it would affect
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: him even weak to week, going from like Aaron Smith
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: a big defensive end with the Steelers, then the next
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: week it's Robert Mathis of the Colts, right, and just oh,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I was doing this before I had more time. When
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I you know, now I need to make sure I
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: get off the snap as fast as possible, almost cheated
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: as much as I can, and just a different set
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: of moves. And now you want to do that in
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: a game with That's why you want waves. And Al
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Golden said this, and the Seahawks had it last year.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: They didn't have one dominant player. While they have great
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: players on the D line, they sent eight guys at you,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: and so you're getting their best. You're getting them while
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: they're fresh number one, which I think is helpful for
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: any pass rusher, if anyone's ever played defensive line. You
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: got three snaps in and then the fourth one you're like, man,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try here, I'm gonna do my best, but
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: you know you're starting to wear out a little bit.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: And when you can, you rotate quickly that way and
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: sending waves and you believe your backup is also capable
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: and can do the things that maybe you can't do.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: It's exciting you're willing to come off the field and
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: let that guy do his job too. And I think
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: it affects linemen and I think it gives him more
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: to work for, more to prepare for, and just as
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: many counter punches as you can give them. The harder
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: it is for offensive lineman the block.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: In the third round, the Bengals took a gigantic cornerback
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: into Carrio Davis. He is the tallest, longest cornerback I've
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: ever seen in a Bengals uniform, and I've been doing
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the games on the radio for fifteen years. He's got
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: really good speed, but at that size, can he flip
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: his hips and move the way that a good NFL
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: cornerback needs to be able to move?
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: That is the question. That is the age old question. Right,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Corners need to be able to mirror, They need to
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: be able to read and react, click and close, cut,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: change direction, flip those hips. They need to look fluid.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: It's often not just receivers that can't catch that go
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: to corner. It's the guys that are the most probably poundful,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: pound agile, and fluid players on the entire team, And yeah,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I would say to Carrio struggles. Of course he does.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: He's six'. Four it's, honestly you know the term uncanny
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: valley where you see something that maybe a CGI's supposed
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: to look like a real human face and you're, like
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: it doesn't look right to. Me something in my monkey
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: brain is throwing me. Off when you Watch, tacario you're,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: like something's. Weird same With Eric gentry at linebacker two
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: very weird body, shape beats to be nearly six foot
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: six at linebacker and be. That then, well when you
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: see a move you would almost be like, that that
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: can't be a. Corner why is he? There what is?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Happening he looks superimposed on the field and he has
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: that but in a powerful way. Too that could be
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: a strength BECAUSE i think you see it on tape
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: where he's leaning into receivers at the catch point or
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: down the. Field he's going up for the ball and
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the receivers are struggling to get around, him through him
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: or over, him and you can almost see the confusion
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: and how they have to play that like that's. WEIRD
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: i don't normally have to fight a corner to get
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: up and catch his ball by his, point but this
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: big body is leaning on, me pushing on, me getting
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: his arm on. Me it's a much different battle at that.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Point but To, caio yes to. Me that is always
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: going to be the. Question and TODAY'S nfl is shifting
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: a lot the. Boundary guys at receiver and corner are
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: being focused on less and the game is getting pushed
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: into the hashes and slot receivers and move tight ends
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and big safety hybrid slot guys Like nickname And. Worry
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: everyone wants to get everything. Inside you can get the
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: ball out, quick you can get some yack with. It
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you can move to Mar chase round and get them
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty targets right because a lot of
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: it happens in the middle of the, field so on the.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Boundary will it be as big of an issue For
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Carrio davis when he's dealing With probb the other guys
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: that are big linear. Players could he Cover Te? Higgins?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Probably could he Cover Colby young And Andreo? Smash? Yeah.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Probably if you get a guy that's super agile on the,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: outside he's that guy's probably of The Jamar chase like
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: or he's gonna get kicked inside into the slot more
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: often as, well where he can win in, there so
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it may not affect him as.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Much it's really funny hearing you describe that visual Of
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Tacario davis that doesn't quite compute in your, brain BECAUSE
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: i had the same reaction WHEN i watched your video
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: analysis of the wide Receiver Coleby. Young you showed footage
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: of him playing For georgia Against. Alabama you put on the.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Tape the very first thing we see is him at
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the screen matched up against An alabama.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Corner you Circle Coleby, young AND i almost broke out
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: laughing because he looks twice the size of the corner
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that was covering. Him it looked like a video, effect
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: so he looked more Like Victor wembinyama than T higgins
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: in that. Clip did you have a similar reaction when
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you first put him on.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Tape, Yeah he's nearly six' five and two sixteen long
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: arms and his stride to is. Very long his arms
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: are very long when. HE moves i, thought That and
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: i've fielded question since, the draft like do you think
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: this guy could play? Tight end he kind of reminds
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: me of audentate who people always ask should move the. Tight,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: end hey sometimes you want these guys to just be
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: what they are at receiver and be big body guys
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: that can win down the field if they have good,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: ball skills could win at the. CATCH point I think
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: burrow likes the big receiver, as well someone that he
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: can throw the back. Shoulder to there are. FLASHES too
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I Thought kobe young got much better this. Past year
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: in that, FILM review i did the previous year AND
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: then i did the last year to see what type
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: of progress he can make Both versus alabama in the
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: same corner two, each time and he looked. Much quicker
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: his routes, looked better his release. LOOKED better i think
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: that's where when you're, that big sometimes your release can
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: be effective while you're a big body and you can
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: be strung and get that corner out of their, agility,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: matters right and knocking those hands away and getting around the.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Guy MATTERS and i think he struggled there the, first
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: year much better in year Two. At GEORGIA and i
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: do believe he is more OF The t higgins like
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: receiver that if you have To if higgins misses two or,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: three games which has happened pretty much, every year, you
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: know just, Being honest yoshi really hasn't stepped into. THAT
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: role i think they still leave him AT the z
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: and sometimes. THE slot I Think kobe young would be
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the guy that would fit what they run more with
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: t and putting him. Into exposition, SO yeah i think
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: that's the big body type of guy they're.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Looking For the bengals took two, offensive Linemen Center connor
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: lou in the fourth round and a more versatile, Offensive
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Lineman brian parker in. The sixth do you have?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: A preference, i DO and i feel bad with having
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: a PREFERENCE because i really like.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Both.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Guys especially ONE thing i usually look for is guys
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: that started young and are still very young. Coming Out
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: And connor lou is twenty years old, right now and
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: he started Early. At auburn looked. REALLY good i mean
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: he was his trajectory. WAS strong i believe he was
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: twenty first Over On DANE brugler's i guess. Big board
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: so going into this, last year could have had a
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: first round pick at least COULD have i mean centers
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: maybe don't always go in the. First round could have
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: been a top forty to. Fifty pick then he. Got
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: hurt he did it also in those first handful of
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: games before he. Got hurt didn't really take that next.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Step either he could have in the back half of.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: The year so, You know i'm not gonna write that,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: off completely but he got hurt and that will affect
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: your draft stock to get him where they did in
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the fourth after a. TRADE down i really liked the
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: chances of lou potentially being the future of, the CENTER
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: but i have TO say i was Enamored With brian
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: parker completely Out. Of dukee this guy who played right
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: tackle that many teams view him as a guard. OR center.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I was i really struggled with the post draft analysis
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: is that they drafted. Two centers parker can do so
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: much more. Than that there's no reason why he couldn't
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: be a swing tackle. As well we, see guys he's
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Going to. William's size he could play tackle if you.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Need it it's not ideal for most tackles to be,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: that size but he can do it and did do it.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: In college SO when I, watched, parker Though like, louur
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: wrestler great Mix With, scott PETERS but i thought he
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: had a great understanding of run blocking run, blocking scheme
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: how to knock guys off in a double team and
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: climb up and get to. A linebacker really smooth and.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Athletic player so it was, Counter LOU but i Actually
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: think parker is a little, bit more especially once he's
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: going to get. Kicked inside for the lesser athletes typically align. To.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Me parker he was twenty eighth overall in our. Draft
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: spreadsheet his grade was really. Really high the last time
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: we had a guy go that late sixth round that
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: had a first round Score Was trey smith that went to.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: The chief so, like That when I'M saying i Really Like,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: BRIAN parker i really, really did and our process did.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: AS well i don't want to set the bar, too
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: high but on tape he was, extremely clean very good
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: in true pass, set data which is one of the
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: STRONGEST correlation pff has up for offensive linemen going from
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: COLLEGE to nfl that tends to carry over. The most
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: and he was very good in true. Pass sets me
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: to take, out screens take out, quick passes take, out
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: blitzes just you one on one in past situations he
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: was shut down and kick. Him inside he's probably gonna
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: be even better in the.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Seventh Round the bengals had. Two picks the First was
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: texas Tight End, jack andrees who you are calling the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: best tight end Prospect the bengals have Drafted Since. Tyler
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: eiffert why that's?
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: That, crazy actually it's really more reflection of the tight
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: ends they, have drafted whether you go back To Like,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: tyler Croft cjo ozama wasn't a, great prospect so he
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: ended up being a. Good PLAYER but i want, to say,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: you know he didn't even a tight end Coach. At
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: auburn remember he said. He was the tight ends were
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: coached by the running back. Coach there he had a
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: long way to go in a lot. Of things he
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: did develop and become a, Good Player so I'M when
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: i say he's the best prospect we're talking about coming
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: out of. The Draft drew sample WAS supposed i had
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: a mock To the bengals in the. Sixth round they
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: took him in, round two a famous reach in. Their history,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: still playing still a, Quality Player so i'm just really
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: talking about as. A Prospect eric all had a ton.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Of injuries. Tenner McLachlin we ended up Seeing the giants
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: draft board. That year they had a red flag him
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: for injury, as well so they drafted two guys there.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Of the head.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: INJURY history i think injuries, to me when you go
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: back and watch, his caltape this is a walk on
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: chip on. His shoulder he's. Already angry he went this lady.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Draft right this guy was born, THIS way. I think
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: but you watch Him With, Fernando mendoza he's gonna go
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: with three first. Overall Quarterbacks, fernando mendoza Arch Manning. Joe
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: burrow this guy's living, the dream but as a walk
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: on his quickly became in year two the go to
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: receiver in that Offense. With mendoza really. Good understanding you,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: could see especially this happens when You Watch Joe Burrow.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Jamar chase, you're, like man these guys are on the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: same wavelength and usually see it versus his own defenses
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: or when someone's gonna show a blitz and back out
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: and do. Something else and It was mendoza to injuries right,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: every time like he knew where, to sit, hang out
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: but be a void in that zone every time and just, boom,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: boom boom, boom Boom and mendoza would lead him into
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the way he should run after. The catch he had
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: really good run after the. Catch numbers and then he
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Goes To ohio state and he was gonna be used
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: more as. A blocker he's gonna develop. That part he's
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: gonna get a little bit bigger. AND stronger i think
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: he had an ankle injury early in that season and.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Affect him didn't look as quick as. A receiver i
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: still think it's. In there it has to be still a.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Young man he's not like this is an. Old prospect
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: he ran, really fast which is a. Good number forty
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: time is really predictive for tight end future success as.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: A RECEIVER but i thought he did block much Better
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: At ohio state and really developed. Quickly there he needs
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to get a little. Bit Stronger but i'm saying just as,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: a prospect he had a lot of production as. A
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: receiver he went to two, different schools played, really well
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: and is a decent blocker, Right now he's Probably if
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: i'm looking, at It Like, Mikeaseaki Tanner hudson aer more
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: of the move type, slot guys gadget up style of.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Tight ends your Why Is Drew Sample Probably cam grandy
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: is the. Next one he's more of a practice. Squad
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: guy and then you have to move. Type Blockers and
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: i'm really excited to see these Two eric all coming
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: back this year and see if he can help the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: team and then regain. His FORM and I Think jack
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: andrews is the. Other one when you Watch The ohio,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: state film his blocks and what they asked him to
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: do very reminiscent of What the bengals Did with all
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: in that handful of games when he had such. An
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: IMPACT so i think they're competing for that playing time.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Right Away and i'm high. ON juries i hate to
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: be high in these day three guys are these seventh
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: rounders because they don't get. The opportunities but this was
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: a home, run seventh sixth and.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Seventh round and one, quick correction You mean texas as
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: opposed to a Hut.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Of, state sorry.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: No problem and Then the bengals final draft Pick was
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: navy Defensive Tackle, landon robinson now a graduate Of The.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Naval Academy, Elite speed, Elite quickness. Elite strength he bench
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: is nearly five, hundred pounds but he's five. To eleven
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: he weighed less than three hundred pounds at. The combine
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: some Similarities To. Geno atkins there are you Intrigued By. Landon.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: ROBINSON definitely i don't know how you can't be. Number
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: one you're getting a guy who CHARACTER wise i mean from,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: the area who grew Up a, bengals fan but character
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: wise flying Colors the, navy, program right he should be.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Workout warrior he's. Tested great like, you said he can
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: bench everything. In him he is very strong and explosive,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: on tape very very explosive and agile. ON tape i
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: want to be clear, On that like when. You watch
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: first thing that's going to jump out is his. Lateral
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: explosiveness they like to slant and STUNT their d line
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: one way or, the OTHER and i think that could
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: limit his production and opportunity. At times but because he's
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: such a, good athlete it worked for him in a lot.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Of Ways the bengals wanted to do this, last YEAR
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: but i think their stunts were a. Little slow they
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: had to figure. It out they kind of scrapped it
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: a little bit in the second half of the year
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: when the defense turned. It on but if you want
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: to get a guy in there that can move a
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: little bit and be more laterally explosive again to use,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: That Word landon robinson is. That now he went To The.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: SHRINE bowl i thought he looked really, good there flashed
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: a bunch he wanted TO.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Get.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Tj parker you can see some clips. Of that he
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: didn't get invited To. The combine and when, that happened
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: those guys tend to, go six seventh. Or undrafted you
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: may get fifteen to twenty five guys per year that
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Don't get combine invites that. Get drafted so when, THAT
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: happened i, Was, LIKE okay i know a lot of
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: mocks to have him fourth round, or so it's probably
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: not going. To happen we need to reset we think
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: and our. EXPECTATIONS here i didn't expect he'd be there
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: at two twenty. Six though that was late so and
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: For the bengals to, get it it seemed like someone
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: one of the most Commonly mocked day three guys To.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: The bengals, So yes. I'M intrigued i think he's a.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Good prospect i'd love to take a swing on a guy,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: like this especially in. Round seven but they have a
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: deep defensive tackle. ROOM now i mean they went from
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: going into this offseason like you're gonna have to find
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: a defensive tackle. Somewhere here it'd be nice to get
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: some someone with Juice to now we have a loaded defensive. Tackle,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: ROOM great i. WANT that i don't want them TO. Cut,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: tj slaton, YOU know i don't want them to Even
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Cut chris jenkins Or. McKinley jackson i still think there's
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: some development for both of. Those guys so what you
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: end up with, is here, here's seven, eight, guys like
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: we're gonna throw him in there and figure, it out
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: and maybe you can keep six if you're playing more
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: odd man fronts with more defensive tackles on, the field
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: but that would be. Stretching it they're gonna have to
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: cut and or trade. Somebody Here if robinson shows up,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: in PRESEASON and i expect.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: He will did any of the Undrafted, Guys, cary.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah THAT'S why I Mentioned eric gentry OUT. Of usc,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: you know six foot six but like two hundred and,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: twenty pounds probably so, con wet very weird body type,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: for linebacker but a. Good player when you, watch him he.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Is athletic he's not afraid to take on blocks at.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: That size he does get at times. Washed out guys
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: can get in there into his chest and you know
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: move him because he's, so linear but he moves a
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: round blockers really really well with, his athleticism bends. Really
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: well they have him blitzing. A ton but they did
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: do a lot of slot reps with him and put him.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: IN coverage i think that's probably where his. Potential is
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: special team's. Number one they rave about, His character so
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: could he be a career special teamer that gives you size? And,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Length yes BUT also i was Reminded Of. Emmanuel lamurr,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: remember him the big long linebacker For. The bengals did some,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: slot stuff did some. Linebacker nickel He AND. George i
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: loka would cover, tight ends room covering And Bracketing jimmy
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: graham Versus. THE saints i don't remember what year, that
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: was but, you know in, that time twenty, fifteen range
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: AND when I, Watched gentry, i'm like if you could
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: develop him similarly to make him be a hybrid, tight
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: end cover guy and special, TEAM right i think he
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: could have. A role now he's got to make. The
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: roster they didn't do anything, at linebackers so there's an
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: opportunity there and. A path that's probably why he Chose
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: the bengals as a. Free agent, but yeah he was
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the guy that first jumped out to me as somebody
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: that could make this roster and maybe make it for a.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Few Years if i'm. Not Mistaken emmanuel lamur started a
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: playoff game as a rookie Against. THE colts i think
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: due to injury he was pressed into service as. A
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: starter in a lot of people.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Started that game they probably shouldn't. Have been that was a.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Rough One rex burgad was a. Slot, receiver yeah we're
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Visiting With joe goodbarry a couple more questions. For you
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: what's your biggest concern about this team as Of?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Late, MAY yeah i wonder if the defensive line is
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: good enough as a pass. Rushing unit and while you're
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: getting the best nose tackle pass rusher in the league and,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: that's great it's still less production on a stat sheet
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Than What trey hundrickson will. Give you it's still not
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: going to be eighty five pressures in, fifteen, Sacks right
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: so who is gonna piece that together and give you
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that extra thirty five pressures that you're probably gonna miss
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and you're probably gonna miss ten sacks out? Of there
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: is it going to Be boy in, Mafe right can
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: he get back to? Previous form he's never really hit
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: those numbers in terms. Of sex but can he give
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: you three more than he had? Last year give? You
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: five can he give you? A six can cash this
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: howl will provide a little bit more as. A rookie
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Can schmer stewart take a step in? Hear Two Can
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: miles murphy finally hit his peak in? Year four and
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: then that's how you piece. It together but you're still
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: talking about a lot of things that need to hit
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: in order to. Get that and maybe it's just a
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: difference of having waves of everyone's getting four sacks on.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: The ROSTER but i was asked this, omni SAS so
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: i Think the bengals will have? THIS year, I said
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: i'll go with thirty nine and and one of the responses.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Was unsurprised you don't think extra lawrence is gonna. ELEVATE everyone,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: i said of course. He will but at the, same
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: time look At. The giants they're at thirty eight sacks forty,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: sacks last and They Have, brian burns and They've Got,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: keevan thibodeau and they've got a, dual carter and they
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: those guys can win one. On one those are good high,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: end Prospects especially Burns and carter. Last Year, but Ken
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the bengals get that. Same thing if they're gonna get
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the one, On Ones Ken schamar, Stewart, Went Ken miles,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Murphy Win Kim boy, mafy win and cash us, all
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: win they will get the opportunity to. Do, It now
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: i'm excited to see if they can, do It and.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I'll take that a. Step further can those guys win
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: When the bengals have the lead late in the game
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: and the defense needs to get, a stop because had
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: they been able to do that, last year they would
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: have easily been a. Playoff, Team yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Trey was a closer in a lot, of, ways right
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: and he was the guy even if he didn't get
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: home always you could see the way offensive lines blocked
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: him like they. Get there, it's okay we're they need
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: a drive light in. A game we are not letting
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: this guy just. Beat us, and well they treat him
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the same way it'll probably be Treated Towards texter lawrence in.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: The inside so now it's time for you guys one
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: on one on the outside to do, your thing.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: All Right joe i'm going to bring Up another joe
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: to wrap. This Up joe burrow recently called this the
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: most talented roster That the bengals have had since he's
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: been on. The team he was part of A super
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: bowl team in twenty. Twenty one the, following Year the
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: bengals won ten straight games leading up TO The Afc
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: championship game and. Almost won That Is, joe wright is
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: this the most talented roster that he has been on
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: As A. Cincinnati bengal i'm.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Probably going to do a whole episode on, this QUESTION
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: because i think it requires a lot of looking at.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: THOSE rosters i do think twenty twenty two was better than,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: twenty one especially if we Consider that burrow was coming
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: off an injury in, Twenty one jamorrow was a rookie in.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: TWENTY one i think they were better in twenty. TWENTY
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: two i think the defense was better throughout the year.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: As well so if we use that as the standard
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: and go to, this year. It's close i've. GOT score
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: i keep scores on every veteran Player the, bengals have
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: AND when i look, at it it's, really close and
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: there's probably what do you? Value more do you? Value
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: More The trey andrickson edge rusher that. Can win do
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: you value more because then They Had, Larry, ogu Joby,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: bj hill, YOU Know dj Reed Or sam hubbard like
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: that's those are. Good starters or do you? Value more
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: probably a little bit more depth on the defensive line,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: this year even though they're not as proven in a
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: lot of positions and you're bringing new. Guys in we
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: got to see all of. That gels that was year
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: two for. Those guys they, Were ready they had the.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Ground running they, looked good Except for ogunjobe was and
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: that was only twenty, twenty ONE so i want to correct.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Myself there but linebacker being a. Big one two guys
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: who were just coming, into being, you know extension worthy
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Candidates With logan Wilson And jermaine pratt versus will these
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: guys join them as similar. Type players they. DID it
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: i Don't Think Logan Wilson jermaine pratt had great rookie,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: years either but they looked good at the end of their.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Rookie years carry that into year two and started to
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: look like capable players and turned into impact players in
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: crunch Situations That jermaine pratt made so many Plays Can
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: demetrius knight do that we can swallow some. Bad plays
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: if you're forcing a fumble on the one yard Line
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: And sam hubbard's, returning it Maybe that chamar's or return
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: at ninety, nine yards we'll forget the, other, Plays right
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: so can you make plays when it's required and when they?
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: NEED it i don't know the answer, to IT but
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: i think, it's close and that THAT'S all i need,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: to hear to be honest, with you that it's Closer
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: that burrow feels. It's, better great line, them up. Let's
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: go they're one of the few teams that can line,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: up today know who their twenty two guys are, to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: start and probably plus depth players and. Role players they're
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: not waiting, on injuries they're not waiting on guys, Coming
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: back they're not waiting to See all let's set the,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: WAITLESS guys acl can you be ready? Week one as
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: the questions are starting to come up for other players around,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: the league we don't have that. This year. Let's go
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: let's play Football. In june bengals are one of the
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: few teams ready.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: To go.
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  Speaker 1: All right that sounds like it's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: great episode coming Up on bengals on, the brain comparing
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: this roster to some of the great rosters in, the
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: past anything else that we all have to look. Forward
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: to you've wrapped up your video analysis of the. Draft
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: class what's coming up in the relatively. Near future so the.
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  Speaker 2: Next one is going to be some undrafted GUYS that,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: i like Whether it's Isaiah And quobia gentry or see
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: your right could be. A slock i'm going to do
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: One Of braylin. LUX too i Thought brand lux last
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  Speaker 2: year was an UNDRAFTED guy i, really liked and he
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: flashed when. He played i'm still a. BIG fan i
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: hope he gets a chance to compete For that nickels.
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  Speaker 2: Slot job, you Fine undrafted nickels in. The league this,
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  Speaker 2: Is Out, JAYLEN davis, i mean on the practic squad
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: for as long as. HE is I Think braylin lux could.
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  Speaker 2: Do That so i've got a lot of things coming down,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: the pipe more, film reviews, more projections AND what i
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: expect for twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty, six joe thank you so much for. YOUR time
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  Speaker 1: i always enjoy having you on the POD and i
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. So much.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Thank you Dan, up next a member.
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  Speaker 1: Of the bengals Ring of honor discusses the five newcomers
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: on this. Year's ballot, but first here's a quick reminder
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: That The bengals booth podcast is brought to you By,
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• 46:03
  Speaker 1: the bengals announced this week that they are making changes
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: To their Ring of. Honor ballot seven players remain from the,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Previous List, Jim Breach, James Brooks, Chris Collinsworth, David Fulcher,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Max Montoya bob Trumpy And. Reggie williams they will be
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: joined on the ballot by five. New NOMINEES and i
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: discussed the newcomers with a guy who was inducted, last
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: year my, Broadcast Partner Dave. Lapham lap there will be
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: five new names On The bengals Ring of. Honor ballot
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: it's probably a pretty good chance that one of these
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: guys will be added To the Ring of honor, this
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Year so i'm going to get your thoughts about each.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Of them will do it in alphabetical order to. Be
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: fair we start with a fourth round draft pick who
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: became an Eight time. Pro bowler that's the most trips
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: ever By a bengals, Defensive Player.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Gino Atkins geno atkins is a, genetic freak, genetic phenomenon,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: genetic marvel however you want to. Put it he is
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: one of these players that is a once in. A
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: lifetime his, his, size quickness speed ratio is just off.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: The charts not, real tall not a big man six
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: feet six,' one maybe but over three hundred pounds three
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: three and twenty five pounds and just strong as. An
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: ox man and he could. Two gap anybody he could
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: to two gap a rhino or an elephant or whatever the.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Case may, BE and quiet i mean His When when,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: geno adkins, spoke everybody, listened you know because he didn't
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: really have a whole lot to. Say to anybody but
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: a heck, of a teammate just a. Dynamic Football player
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: marvin lewis Said That probably Aj Green and geno adkins
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: is probably the best offensive and defensive player that he
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: was ever part of and had privileged To Draft as cincinnati.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: BENGAL head coach.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I remember, in our broadcast he used to get a
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: lot of pleasure out of seeing the first snap, by
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: the Opposition Knowing that gino atkins was going to introduce
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: himself to the poor sucker that had to try, to
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: block him.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: And he did he wanted to impose his will on
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: People And the geno atkins making plays man probably the
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: best interior Pass rusher, IN bengals, history i mean the.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Best Defensive Tackle tim tim, crumrie was, probably you know
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: as great A player as i'd ever seen as an
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: interior defensive Lineman For. The cincinnati bengals and he could
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: he could too gap. Anything as well he was a.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: True nose tackle, he's you know they play him in
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: a three technique sum but he was a. True nose
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: tackle gino was more of a, true through tech true.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Through three technique and, those two guys, in my mind
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: are the two greatest interior Defensive Players in. Cincinnati bengals
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: history up front, on the line.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: All, right up next remarkably somebody from the same Draft Class.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: As geno atkins this guy was a second round. Pick That,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: year carlos dunlap A two. Time pro bowler HE finished
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: his nfl career with one hundred sacks eighty two and
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: a Half in, a bengals uniform that is second most.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: In team history he was an.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Extraordinary Pass rusher carlos, dunlap was long had tremendous length,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: to his, arms very. Big strong hands when, he grabbed.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: You he would it was a force to. Be reckoned
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: with there's no. Question About that gino Atkins, Out Of
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: georgia carlos Dunlap. Out Of florida the bengals WENT into
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: the sec and drafted a couple of premier defensive linemen
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: out of that conference in, that particular draft and both
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: of them played at an. Extremely high level when you
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: get one hundred Sacks In The, national football league you're
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: talking a hell, of an accomplishment and eighty two and
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: a half of Them As a cincinnati bengal is, extraordinary
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: as well puts him amongst the Most ever in. Bengals
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: franchise history so these two guys Were Stalwarts for marvin
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: lewis's defensive football Teams For, The cincinnati bengals there's no.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Question about, it up next the fourth overall pick in two,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Thousand and eleven he Went To the pro bowl in
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: each of HIS first, seven nfl seasons topping one thousand
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: receiving yards in six of. Those seven years Number Two
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to Chad johnson in bengals, history in catches yards. And
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Receiving Touchdowns. ADRIEL Jeremiah, green.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Aj Green That's adriel jeremiah, That, IS awesome, dan i
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: mean it takes me back to great memories that here's
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: another guy, that tremendous, length contested catches high high, percentage of,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: them you know contested catches by definition or fifty. To
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: fifty balls so you would expect maybe half to go
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: your way. AND Half not aj green eighty five, ninety
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: his way. Which is extraordinary but he had the strength
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: in his hands, and his wrists, his foe, arms his,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: BICEPS his triceps i. Mean he had he, had big
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: arms big powerful arms for. A wide receiver and he
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: had a. Vertical jump ability he. Could get airborne he
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: got up. Over forty inches his vertical. Jump WAS extraordinary
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: remember i read about his coming out. His draft year
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: so he made. He made Plays Me and ANDY Dalton.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: To aj green that was A Music to cincinnati bengals,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: fans for. Many many years they made a lot. Of
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: plays together they made some beautiful music Together in the.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Bengals passing.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Game FOR sure when I Think, of aj green the
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: word graceful. Comes.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: TO mind, perfect i mean that's that's a GREAT Definition,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: for aj green that that kind of defines his. PERSONALITY as,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: well i mean he was. All about. Grace You know
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: aj green was almost too good. To be, True you
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: know IT'S like if i, Had a Daughter I'd want
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: aj green to date my daughter and. MARRY my, daughter
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: i mean he was just one, of those guys, just
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: a good, good human being pure as the driven snow,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: as they say and just an extraordinary football player that
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: made his Mark In The national football league right away
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: and did it for a.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Number of years up next to first round pick in
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: two thousand and seven who spent twelve YEARS, in the
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: nfl the first nine Of. Them in cincinnati twenty six
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Interceptions in a bengals uniform that is number four. In
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Team History Leon.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Hall leon Hall. Out Of michigan leon hall was another very.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Serious football player he could. Play multiple positions he. Had
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: position versatility he, could play corner he could. Play slot
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: corner he, could play safety strong. Or free safety he
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: gave a lot of diversity to his defensive coaches for
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: the years that He Was a cincinnati bengal and played
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: both phases of the. GAME equally, well i mean he
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: was a very very strong, run support guy, taking on
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: blocks making sure that he had, to contain responsibility taken
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: care of and then he'd, separate from blocks get off blocks.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: And make tackles he was, very sure. Tackler deadly tackler
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: he'd get people. On the ground we used to do
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: a drill called the routine Tackling drill when forrest greg was.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Our head coach you get your head, across the bow
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: get your, head in front and. Take People Down and
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: LEON hall, was i mean the number of tackles he
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: missed in his career you could count. On one hand
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: he was very, very assignment sound, very very reliable accountable,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: to his teammates loved the. Game of football he was
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: all about the. GAME of football i could see him
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: being a big factor in coaching if he decided to
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: get into the coaching. Aspect Of It and geno, ATKINS
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: good People I mean leon. Hall good People and the
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: bengals had a nice run there of defensive players that
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: they drafted in the early rounds for quite a few
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: years in a row that turned out exceptionally well. For,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: the franchise.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Finally a guy who spent sixteen YEARS, in the nfl
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the First. Eleven in cincinnati he was A four. Time
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: pro bowler He Was THE Walter payton nfl Man of
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: the year in. Twenty twenty one one of the greatest leaders,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: In Franchise History Big. Wit andrew whitworth.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: You, Called it dan probably the Greatest leader in, bengals
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: franchise history maybe THE greatest. In nfl history As good as.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: I'VE ever, Seen I mean anthony munoz was a leader, That.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Was extraordinary maxiwante we, had great. Players Great leaders andrew
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: whitworth falls. Into that category and to play as long,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: AS he, did I mean big wood took. Care of
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: himself he took care. Of his body, He trained hard
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: he understood the. Game of football he would do a,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: deep dive, into you know taking apart every strength and
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: weakness that his opponent have on, a weekly basis and,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: he'd you know acknowledge the strengths and. Deal with, them
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: but boy he would just. Destroy opponent's weaknesses and he would,
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: tell the, coaches you know run. It behind me, Run
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: it again, run it again run. The same play run
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: it until, They stop it run until they have to.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Make An adjustment andrew whitworth A four. Time. Pro bowler,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: extraordinary you know You Make, the pro bowl it's a hell.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Of an accomplishment You Make the pro, bowl four times.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: That's Big Time and andrew worth was a big time to.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Say the least and here today, we're working together we're
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: working on. Some charity work that. Was Big wit big
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: wit was a, give back, guy you know and you
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: want as many of those guys around your football team
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: and on your football team as. You possibly, can and,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Again You know anthony munho's The best ever i've ever
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: seen at giving back to the community and giving back
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: to individuals and. Charities And groups but andrew was right.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: There as well, just a big big Contributor To the
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: cincinnati bengals football history in. Very many ways AS a.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Former o lineman how remarkable is it that that guy
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: played tackle at a high level in his FORTIES. In the,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: nfl that's.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: INCREDIBLE it, is i mean that's taking, care of yourself
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: taking care, of, yourself physically mentally every way you can take.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Care of yourself and that's a love for the game,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Of football too because to play, INTO your, Forties i
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: mean andrew played at a time where it's not crazy MONEY,
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: like today's nfl but it. Was good money it, was
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: BIG money and i never had to work a day
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: in his life if he didn't want to when he was.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Done playing football so to play, into your forties you're
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: playing not necessarily just. For the money you're playing because you,
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: have a passion deep passion for the. Game of football
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: you love everything. About the game you, love your teammates you,
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: love your coaches you, love your owner you love your
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: city that. You're playing in And That's what big wit.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Was all About this Year's ring of honor class well
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: once again, feature two inductees with at least one being from,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: the original ballot before the team shifts to a single
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: person class. Beginning next year voting for season ticket members Will,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Begin on monday june first And, End on. Friday june
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: twelfth that's going to do it for this Episode Of the,
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