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349: Sister Wives Rewind - Meri Catfished (S9 E12) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: tight homegirl and my daughter in law, the beloved Beetrice.
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  Speaker 2: That's me.
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  Speaker 1: We are here to talk sister wives, honey, and specifically
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the catfish.
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  Speaker 2: We're finally here.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've been talking about the catfish since we've
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  Speaker 2: I think it's like four and a half at this point.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing. I know we've been doing this forever, but
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  Speaker 1: like we've been talking about it from the very beginning,
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  Speaker 1: we're finally here, Beatrice.
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  Speaker 1: We did make it. Before we get into this reecap,
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  Speaker 1: Hey, do you have to warn you? I'm on one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like energy is all over the place. I'm excited,
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  Speaker 1: So before we get into the recap, I have to
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  Speaker 1: ask you, Beatrice, did you have any takeaways on this
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  Speaker 1: the final episode of season nine.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've seen this episode before, but it's been a
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  Speaker 2: minute and so rewatching it again, I can't get over
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  Speaker 2: how they like edited the catfish conversation because like when
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  Speaker 2: the adults are talking in Alaska, Mary's just like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what I want to do, so I'm gonna leave.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do something, but.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. But she's not saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I was having phone sex.
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  Speaker 1: I was having an actual emotional affair with a guy
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  Speaker 1: who turned out to.
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  Speaker 2: A woman a woman like, she's not saying that, but
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  Speaker 2: then to the camera she's airing out all of the
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  Speaker 2: catfish drama.
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  Speaker 1: But even then she's skirting around things. She's not just
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  Speaker 1: coming out plainly and talking about what happened. It was
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  Speaker 1: really annoying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, super annoying.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my takeaway is that I think this is a
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  Speaker 1: very nuanced situation because Mary was really annoying me with
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  Speaker 1: the way that she was communicating or not communicating. But
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, I had a lot of sympathy
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  Speaker 1: and compassion for her because of what she has been
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  Speaker 1: through in her relationship with Cody. So there's just a
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  Speaker 1: lot going on. Yeah, I was feeling a lot. Me too.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I feel like it's gonna be a very interesting
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  Speaker 2: discussion today me too.
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  Speaker 1: So without further ado, let's get into our recap of
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  Speaker 1: Sister Wives Season nine, episode twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Twelve, twelve twelve and tot Mary Catfish. She got gone
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  Speaker 2: by the internet, and I've got some shit to say
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  Speaker 2: about that when we get to that, because I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you got a stupid a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But oh yeah, it's fine, she admits it.
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  Speaker 2: Actually she does a little bit. But we resume the
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  Speaker 2: last half of the Alaska vacation. It's like the fifth
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  Speaker 2: day or whatever in Alaska. Everybody in the family is like,
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  Speaker 2: this is the best most fun vacation we've ever had
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  Speaker 2: in our lives. Like everyone's super happy, especially Cody and Robin,
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  Speaker 2: Like everyone's living their best life. We have like a
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  Speaker 2: little scene where we have the older kids, Logan, Michelle, Caleb,
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  Speaker 2: and Maddie go out to dinner or lunch or whatever
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  Speaker 2: together and this was like kind of a nothing burger.
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  Speaker 2: They're kind of like talking about their relationships and growing
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  Speaker 2: up in polygamy, and Logan does talk a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about how being the eldest boy in a polygamist family,
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  Speaker 2: everybody just automatically assumes he's going to be a polygamist
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  Speaker 2: as well. And actually this is why Michelle didn't pursue
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  Speaker 2: him at first, even though she thought he was what
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  Speaker 2: she then realized that he doesn't want to be a polygamist.
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  Speaker 2: He's a one woman man, and so then she snatched
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  Speaker 2: him right up.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. And then I think both Logan and Maddie asked
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  Speaker 1: their partners whether they were nervous to meet the entire family.
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  Speaker 1: Were they intimidated by Cody? And Michelle talks about how
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  Speaker 1: she loves Cody. He's got such a fun, quirky spirit,
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  Speaker 1: and Caleb's like, yeah, he doesn't intimidate me, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: Why would he? Yeah, we're the same age.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously though, it's kind of ridiculous. But I did find
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  Speaker 2: it interesting when Maddie was talking about like her dating
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  Speaker 2: experience in high school, because she said, you know, for her,
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  Speaker 2: she would have boyfriends or whatever, and they would find
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  Speaker 2: out she grew up in polygamy, and so then they
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  Speaker 2: would just automatically think it was okay for them to
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  Speaker 2: date other women while they're dating her, which is whack.
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  Speaker 2: But she ultimately found Caleb. He sold me, Oh god,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm just like I'm looking at him and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: this dude is like a year younger than me. In
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  Speaker 2: this episode, you know, and they don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to be mean. Well, but he's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a schlub. I mean, he's kind of a schlub.
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  Speaker 1: And Maddie's eighteen years old, yeah, or like nineteen years
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  Speaker 1: old or whatever. She is, Like, she's a young chippy.
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  Speaker 1: You can go out into the world. Man, are a
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  Speaker 1: diim a dozen? Trust me? Like why are we attracted
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  Speaker 1: to Caleb brush? But God bless, yeah, that's your life.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're happy. But I mean, it's a little
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  Speaker 1: he looks like a character from whovill. He just kind
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: of looks like a Marsupial I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's like already balding. God bless, God bless. It happens, funny,
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  Speaker 1: it does, right, it does.
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  Speaker 2: But you know whatever. Then we hear from the adults
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  Speaker 2: a little bit on the couch talking about Logan and
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  Speaker 2: Michelle and Caleb and Maddie. And it's weird the way
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  Speaker 2: that they're talking about it, because like Janelle seems a
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  Speaker 2: little like worried or concerned about Logan and Michelle and
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  Speaker 2: like whether or not they're gonna get married and what
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  Speaker 2: their relationship's gonna look like. But when it comes to Maddie,
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  Speaker 2: and Caleb. She's like super supportive. Everybody in the family
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  Speaker 2: actually is super supportive and really excited about this twenty eight.
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  Speaker 1: Year old band. Why do you think that is. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I was like watching it, thinking like, maybe it's because
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  Speaker 2: he was a family he was part of the family before,
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  Speaker 2: and so they know that he's not creepy. But then
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm like, it's still kind of creepy,
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  Speaker 2: like the age difference.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but is he Mormon as well? I don't really
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  Speaker 1: know if that's been established, because we know that Maddie
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  Speaker 1: was not accepted into mainstream Mormonism. Yeah, and I'm wondering
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  Speaker 1: if Caleb practices. So I'm just wondering if there's some
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  Speaker 1: sort of an alignment religiously because he's been around the
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  Speaker 1: polygamist structure, he's safe. Yeah, he's a safe person to
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  Speaker 1: be around. Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: I just think it's bizarre and it's actually interesting because
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  Speaker 2: Robin's the only one that points out that disparity. On
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  Speaker 2: the couch, she says something like, it's weird how we
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  Speaker 2: have these two extremes, like we're super careful with Logan
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  Speaker 2: and Michelle, but when it comes to Maddie and Caleb
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  Speaker 2: were like super gung ho and excited and like already
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  Speaker 2: planning their wedding. It's just kind of bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Michelle is an outsider for sure. Yeah, imperatively speaking.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they are just distrustful because they don't know her. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: religious extremists or something. It's just bizarre. And then we
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  Speaker 2: have the family kind of splitting off into two groups
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  Speaker 2: to do some various activities. We have Cody and Janelle
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  Speaker 2: and a bunch of the kids going fishing, and then
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  Speaker 2: we have Christine and Robin and I think Mary's there,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe she's back at the cabin talking to Sam.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But we have Christine and Robin and
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  Speaker 2: some of the other kids going to do dog sledding,
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  Speaker 2: and it's kind of cute. I guess, like the fishing
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  Speaker 2: trip is fun. I would have rather gone fishing than
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  Speaker 2: dog sledding for me, sure.
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  Speaker 1: Because the fish looked amazing, Oh my god, fresh caught halibe.
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  Speaker 2: And the salmon hitch. Yes, Oh, I would be eating
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  Speaker 2: so good. And it looked like fun. Christine and Robin
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  Speaker 2: they're dog sledding and on the couch they're kind of
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  Speaker 2: commiserating a little bit, talking shit about how it's really
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  Speaker 2: great that Cody's not there at the dog sledding arena
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  Speaker 2: because then Cody would see how well behaved the dogs
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  Speaker 2: are and want his wives to act well, behave like dogs.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, whoa, you guys are telling on
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  Speaker 2: yourselves a little bit here. And it was interesting how
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  Speaker 2: Robin was like even playing into it. Yeah, and she
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  Speaker 2: seems like she's genuine right, Like she seems like she's
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  Speaker 2: totally shooting the shit with Christine and laughing and making
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  Speaker 2: jokes about how Cody would want to treat them like dogs,
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  Speaker 2: and Robin says something like, well, Nick, the guy who
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  Speaker 2: holds all of these sled dogs treats them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and that's the difference.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the difference. And I'm like, why is she
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  Speaker 2: saying that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was kind of telling. And this is another attempt,
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  Speaker 1: I think by Robin to align herself with the other
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  Speaker 1: wives and sort of Kiki and say, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: he treats us like dogs. He treats us so badly.
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  Speaker 1: But we know, yeah that at this time in the timeline,
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  Speaker 1: she's absolutely getting favored and getting everything, So it's not
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  Speaker 1: that funny to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just interesting to me that she feels
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  Speaker 2: comfortable making jokes like that that put Cody in a
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  Speaker 2: bad light because of her alliance and allegiances to Cody
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: only always like do you think he watches that back
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  Speaker 2: and then gets mad at Robin for saying no, I
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  Speaker 2: think he understands that she's being tactical. Yikes, that's so diabolical.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, anyway, so everybody goes vision and they do
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  Speaker 2: dogs litting and Christine is loud and screaming, and Cody
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  Speaker 2: on the cow talks about how Christine can't be quiet
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  Speaker 2: at all. That's why she can't go fishing because she's
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  Speaker 2: a loud ass bitch.
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  Speaker 1: She's gonna scare all the fish. We were talking about
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  Speaker 1: this last week, how annoying she just.
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  Speaker 2: Has to scream all the time, Like, just use your
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  Speaker 2: inside voice.
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  Speaker 1: Chill out, it's not that deep.
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  Speaker 2: So then we returned back home to the little rental,
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  Speaker 2: and this is where Caleb actually pulls Cody aside to
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  Speaker 2: basically ask permission to marry Maddie and ask for her
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  Speaker 2: handed marriage, which we all saw coming. And Cody is
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: giddy and he's like super happy about it, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Just grinning ear to ear. I will say, though, in
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  Speaker 1: terms of Caleb and the kind of guy he is.
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  Speaker 1: He seemed very sincere. Yes, and when he was talking
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  Speaker 1: about his affection for Maddie and how she's his soulmate
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: and he thought he would never find his soulmate, and
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  Speaker 1: like he's just loves her so much, Like I could
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  Speaker 1: feel that from him. I do think, irrespective of the
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: questionable nature around their meeting and courtship, like, I do
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  Speaker 1: think these two people are made for each other. Me too.
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  Speaker 1: And he loves her and Maddie loves him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like the whole old fashioned like guy
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  Speaker 2: goes asks the daughter to wait, Guy go ask the daughter,
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  Speaker 2: Guy go asks the father right for the daughter's hands.
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  Speaker 1: The patriarchy, I know for sure, but property.
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  Speaker 2: I know. But it's cute though, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's cute. Tradwife Beatrice, No, Well, I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking about it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I should ask you for permission for
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: your daughter's hand in marriage.
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  Speaker 1: I just went, oh my god, i'd ever gotten drunk.
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  Speaker 1: We would have watched rom com. It would have been great.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know that my husband actually asked my brother
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  Speaker 1: really for his blessing, not permission, because that really is
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  Speaker 1: misogynistic but as for my brother's blessing to ask for
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  Speaker 1: my hand, and my brother was so enthusiastic about it.
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  Speaker 1: But like I just I do like so sweet. I
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  Speaker 1: do like that tradition, saying I like a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of the old fashioned energy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, like I obviously don't agree with women being
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  Speaker 2: of course, but it's like I thought it was sweet,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that Caleb is earnest even though you know,
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: it's a little way whenever age limit. Okay, it's weird,
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  Speaker 2: but they're married now, they've got kids. It's a moot
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  Speaker 2: point at this point. But Cody to the camera has
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  Speaker 2: some interesting commentary about marriage after this, and he says
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: something like Caleb is the essence of manhood. And so
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: what I just thought, if Cody's like flamboyantly gay, I thought,
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  Speaker 2: are you crushing on Caleb or something like it. He
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  Speaker 2: is such a man, Okay, he's a real man. It's weird,
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  Speaker 2: it's a little bizarre, strange. But then he talks about
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  Speaker 2: how he gives full support because he thinks Caleb's a
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  Speaker 2: good guy and you know, the whole family knows him
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  Speaker 2: because he was his brother's brother in law or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And then he says marriage is the biggest challenge that
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  Speaker 2: anybody can face in their life. And then he says
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  Speaker 2: love it sometimes isn't always enough, because one day you
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: can love your partner, but then the next day they're
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: your enemy. And I'm like, ahm into West States, who's.
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  Speaker 1: Your enemy today? All three of those original wives.
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  Speaker 2: Ye. And then when they get back inside after the
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  Speaker 2: little conversation, this is where Cody and Caleb unpack their
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: fish because they're going to debone them or whatever. And
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: Grillam and Robin's there and she's pregnant. I will give
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  Speaker 2: her this. She immediately pukes because of the fishy smell.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure people are like, oh my god, she's
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: so dramatic, But I'm like, she's pregnant this morning sickness.
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  Speaker 1: Or if you know, you were looking with a more
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: cynical eye, you could ask yourself like is she stealing
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: the limelight from those who went fishing? And is she
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: making this big deal about her nausea and her having
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: to run off to throw up, Like is it real?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, Maybe I just thought it was a
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  Speaker 2: little crazy, like she goes and throws up and then
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: her kids go and comfort her too, which I thought
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  Speaker 2: was bizarre, like Dayton.
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  Speaker 1: Runs immediately as soon as she leaves the room, yes,
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  Speaker 1: right behind her, which actually made me stop and think
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  Speaker 1: about what that means for how they grew up with her,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and how they have this kind of caretaking
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  Speaker 1: role with her.
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  Speaker 2: It's not healthy.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: It's not healthy at all.
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  Speaker 2: It's not healthy for kids.
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  Speaker 1: But also, I mean, maybe it's just genuine care and love.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but it just felt a little strange
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  Speaker 1: to me.
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  Speaker 2: To me, it feels like unhealthy because it was Dayton
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: and then Aurora showed up right after, and then on
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  Speaker 2: the couch, those three kids are like defending her and
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: being like, well, she's pregnant and she's sick and the
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: fish smells bad, and like like, Okay, your kids, chill out.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: M m. You know, it's not a big deal. It's
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: not a big deal. But they grow up that fish.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: It looked really good. I'm jealous. Yeah, And then we
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  Speaker 2: have the conversation. We have the five adults, Christine, Janelle, Cody,
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  Speaker 2: and Robin going out to dinner.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: At Jack Spratt. I've been there before.
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  Speaker 2: I was wondering if you had.
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  Speaker 1: I had been there before. Yeah, it was pretty good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we had some seafood. It was it was tasty. I
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  Speaker 1: love seas It's very expensive, but like, sure, very tasty.
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  Speaker 2: So they go out to dinner and they start off
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  Speaker 2: with a toast and Cody in particular, is in a
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: really good mood. He's like, this is the best vacation
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  Speaker 2: that we've ever been on. I'm so glad our whole
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: family was here. Everybody is like in really light spirits,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: except for Mary.
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  Speaker 1: Sitting in the corner, her face all red. Just something's
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: bothering Mary, and you can tell very odd energy. It
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: is weird with her.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just going to preface this by saying, I
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: don't think that this was the right time for her
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  Speaker 2: to bring any of this up.
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: But I think she brought it up because maybe shit
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: was getting leaked at this point and so she felt
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: the need to bring it up or maybe the producers
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: forced her to talk about it at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but sidebar, do we think or as a community
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  Speaker 1: in a dumpster, do we think that everybody knew already
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  Speaker 1: at this point? Because to me, if Mary is just
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: going to as a non sequitor drop a bomb like hey,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I might be leaving the family with absolutely no context
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: for that, Like that's a shocking thing to say. Yeah,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: but nobody at the table really seemed shocked. They were
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: more like, well, what do you mean? And how can
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: we take care of you? What do you need from us?
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Like it just seemed like a strange conversation to have.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling, Well, if you believe the rumors,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: then you know that Robin has been accused of knowing
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: all about the Catfisher, and through her friend Kendra, was
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: actually gathering intel on what Mary was doing with the Catfisher.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: So Robin then passed that information along to Cody. So
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: before Mary even maybe even knew what was going on
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: with the catfish, they knew about what was happening. So
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I just feel like, at least Robin and Cody know
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: what's going on. But I also just have a feeling
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: that maybe Christine and Janelle know as well. What do
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: you think?
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: My vibe was like, maybe they didn't know. Okay, now
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: that you're bringing this up, I'm like, I could see
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: maybe Robin and Cody, if we're to believe the rumors,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I could see Robin and Cody knowing, or at the
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: very least just Robin. Maybe she hasn't said anything. I
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: don't know. To me, it just felt really weird to
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: like glaze over the catfish at the dinner.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: But she's saying in her talking heads that they don't
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: even know about it yet. No, yeah, in this moment, right,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: So she's not talking about the catfish. They don't know
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: about it a lot at all, okay.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: And so when Mary sits down, she starts off being like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: it's no surprise, I've been struggling with stuff, Like, okay,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: what stuff.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a surprise to us because we thought
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: you were happy about the adoption and you were glad
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: at least for the legal marriage with Robin so that
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the kids could be adopted. We thought everything was okay, Like,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And Mary kind of brings up things that would be
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: valid excuses, right, like Leon is no longer living with Mary,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: but Leon hasn't been at home for two years, so
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Mary has been alone for that long, and then you know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: the divorce and everything. Like, she doesn't really name any
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: particular thing or any particular situation as a blame or
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: a cause for what she's feeling. She just says she's
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: going through shit. To the camera. She tells us that
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: she is so lonely and isolated that her house is
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: so quiet every single day that she wakes up and
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: has to turn music on just so she like doesn't
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: go crazy because her house is lonely. And to the viewer,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, obviously Cody's not coming over to your house, right,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: He's obviously not even like hanging out with you or
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: having a dinner, like you are just alone and like
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: none of the family comes over to hang out with you. Now. Granted,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Mary has really like an open
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: door policy with the family, because I think was it
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: in Christine's book she had mentioned something like you have
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to knock to go to Mary's house.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: That was and Robin too. I didn't think Mary.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I thought Mary was similar. I don't know. Maybe it
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: was at the Lee High House. Maybe I'm talking out
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: my ass. But Mary says that she's super lonely and
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: isolated and she's just been feeling a lot, and she
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: has been withdrawing.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, so let me comment here just because I'm sure
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: the kernel of that is absolutely true. I believe that
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: after they were divorced, and actually well before that, Cody
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: had one hundred percent pulled away from Mary. I feel
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: she has every right to make a decision for herself
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to leave that relationship because she's not getting what she needs.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: She has sold a bill of goods and now she's
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: getting the short end of the stick, and she has
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: every right to be upset and to leave. However, it
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: felt to me in some of these interstitials or the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: talking heads that she was kind of campaigning and setting
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: herself up to be a victim and getting the audience
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to sympathize with what she's going through, although she never
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: showed it to us before this, so that's why it's
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: kind of hard for us to like say, well, what
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? Like, I'm sure if I was
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: watching back then, which I did, I think start right
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: around now, I didn't understand because well, I thought everything
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: was good because you guys are always putting on a
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: united front. Now all of a sudden, you're telling me
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: that it's a haunted house, that you're living in the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: original haunted house, that you're alone all the time, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just felt like some of that
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: was duplicitous to me. And also the way she was
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: just skirting around how everything happened, and I don't know.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: If it were me, I would have been like they
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: got me.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I was lonely.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: And the fact is is Cody hasn't touched my punani
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: for years. I'm in a wife, I'm unhappy in this relationship,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and nobody gives a fuck about me. And so, yeah,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I made a mistake. I started talking to who I
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: thought was a guy, but turns out it was a chick.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: You know, joke's on me. I feel like a fool,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: But there's kind of a reason that it all happened,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and now I can confront what's really going on in
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: my marriage or non marriage and maybe try to fix
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: it or maybe I need to leave that. If she
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: had said that at the time, I just feel like
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: we would have all been on her side and rooting
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: for her.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be more authentic, it'd be more real.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: This is just like a bunch of word salad. Like
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: he was making me laugh. I needed to laugh. I'm like, well,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: but you were also in a tub with a banana
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: having conversations just joke, and I assume this is a
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: phallic banana and that you're touching yourself in the tub
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: because you need some sensual love or whatever, like it's
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: more than that from the very beginning. What this shows
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: us is that she was not ever prepared to admit
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to her pardon it. And this is why Leon's gonna
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: get really mad at Mary, because Leon was there and
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Leon was telling Mary this is what's going on. I
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: think Leon even called out that this is probably a catfish.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Mary didn't listen to them, proceeded to do this to herself,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and now here we are. I just wish she was
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: more direct and more truthful.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, I think the only like duplicitous part
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: of it was her skirting around the fact that she
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: was like having an online relationship with this person, because
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: she talks about it like, well, I was just like
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: talking to people on social media and I was like
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: making friends and then like I met this one guy
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: and he was like becoming like my best friend, and
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: like we were laughing and joking and he was expressing
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: love for me and kindness and attraction, but like we
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: were just friends. Though. Like that's where I'm like, h okay,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: be honest, here, be real. The part where she's like
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: kind of victimizing herself. I have more empathy for only
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: because I feel like in this religious context, like these
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: women are supposed to perform a lot, and they're supposed
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to put on this like facade, and so with Mary,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: it's like I gotta pretend like I'm happy and I
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: enjoy being here. I gotta pretend like I'm still like
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a part of this family so I can empathize with
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: it doesn't make it right for her to like be
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: faking throughout her life and stuff. I just think, Mary,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I think you're right. Like, Mary didn't expect any of
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: this to come out. I think she was expecting to
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: run off into the sunset with Sam and like and
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: like live her best life and just leave the family
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: for Sam. But then it got blown up in her
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: face and she got embarrassed. And the whole thing is
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: like super embarrassing. I mean, imagine like having your online
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: affair be blasted on national TV, like and at the
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: time it was everywhere, it was in magazines and stuff,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: like it was a big dial So I feel for her.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's the theme of lying, and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I think it comes part and parcel with the religion itself.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: They have to lie because they have to hide, and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: so there's always secrets so like it. It's just this
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: culture of being dishonest. And I think that in this moment,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Mary is not being accountable for what she consented to
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: do with this person who she thought was a man.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Like I think she was all in. I think she
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: was having an absolute emotional affairs. She wanted to meet him.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: She would have probably laid it low and spread it
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: wide and had a full blown physical affair if Sam
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: was real. So like, just cop to that, own.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: That, And that was interesting that she even admitted to that,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: like saying like, oh, I definitely wanted to meet him.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I tried to meet up with him a few times,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: but he always refused to meet me. And it's like, Okay,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: that was your first fucking clue, right, And as we're talking.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: About twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, every other Doctor Phil episode
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was about a catfish or you're a woman, It's something like,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: how did you not know?
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: She even says that she had a feeling in the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: very beginning that he was feeding her a line of bullshit.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, Mary, if you had a feeling, you're
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: a smart cookie, you're running your own business. Why don't
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you do a little bit of investigative journalism and just
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: check this person out. But like and maybe, and that's
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: where the nuance comes in, because maybe she wanted to
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: believe maybe maybe like this was it for her. This
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: was the only scrap of attention and affection that she
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: had in her universe, and so she just put the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: blinders on and proceeded with Sam slash Jackie. Like it
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: stinks all the way around, though, But Mary, you had
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: a hand in that one hundred percent, and that's a betrayal. Like,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and here's the thing, Like, if you're in a terrible
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: relationship and you're with an awful partner, like that's not
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: good and you have every right to leave, but like
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: it's not okay though for your reaction to that to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: be to cheat, exactly and to go out and find
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: somebody else that's out of into.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, And like I think you can. You can empathize
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: with her to an extent because she obviously was like
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: desperate and isolated and lonely or whatever. But she isn't
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: this like blameless person for having this online affair. And again,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: like I said at the beginning of this episode, like
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I thought it was really weird how they kind of
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: spliced these conversations together, because when we're back at Jack's
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Bratt and she's talking to the family, like she isn't
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: saying I mean, at least what we see in the
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: edited footage, she's not saying anything about the catfish. She's
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: not talking about not at all. I brought something evil
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: into the family. I got this catfish demon, and I'm
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: trying to protect you guys. Like she's not saying any
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: of that. What she's saying to the family is I
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: don't know what I want to do. I don't know
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: what I need. I might leave the family. Don't be
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: surprised if I'm just up and gone one day. Like
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: she's saying these like really extreme statements, and again, like
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I think there's some validity to it because she's obviously unhappy.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Like you had said, she has every right to leave,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: but like to just drop that bomb, That's where I
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: was like saying, I feel like this is not the
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: appropriate time to have this conversation on this beautiful vacation
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: that everybody's excited about, like to be like, yeah, so
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I've been struggling and I might just leave and disappear
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: forever well.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And it's like the way she beats around the bush.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Even in that conversation, she can't just come right out
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and say, I'm thinking about leaving the family. I haven't
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: been happy for a while. You have all noticed this.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And then we have Christine in her talking head and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: even Robin saying, yeah, she hasn't been herself these last
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: few months. So something is going on with Mary and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: everybody knows it. But she can't just sit down at
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the table and say, hey, this is what it is,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: this is what I think I'm gonna do. I'll let
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you know as soon as I know. It's just this
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: beating around the fucking bush, this lack of communication. These
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: people don't know how to communicate.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Not at all, and really like the only people and
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Mary points us out, like the only people that are
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: being supportive and understanding of her are Christine and Janelle. Robin,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: according to Mary, has like not wanted anything to do
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: with her, doesn't know what to do with her at
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: this point because of what she's been struggling with. But
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Robin to the camera says, yeah, when I first noticed
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: something was up with Mary, I just made sure to
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: talk to her more and know that and let her
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: know that we're here for her. We love her, and
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: obviously my dream and my hope would be for her
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: and Cody to stay married, because I want the whole
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: family to.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Stay that that sweet sweet money.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I need all of that money because I'm about to
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: have another kid and I need another nanny. So I
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: just really hope that they can work things out. And
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: it's weird because, like Robin did the camera, it does
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: kind of seem like she knows that it's about the catfish,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: whereas with Christine and Janelle, like Christine says something like,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I've noticed that Mary's been struggling. You know, she comes
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: to the family events as little as possible. You know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: she's always on her phone. She's really distant, and I
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: just wanted to know that we love her, we're here
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: for her. And Janelle' say's the same thing, like no
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: matter what our differences are, like we are a support system,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: We're here for her. But Robin is really weird about it.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: And then she cries, does she because I was looking
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: for a tear, Honey, she has to break down thinking
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: about Mary leaving the family and being unhappy, and it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: so performative.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: And like way to make it about you, Yeah, Like
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: how are you so heartbroken about Mary struggling.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Kind of like she started to throw up, yet with
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the fish like just snatching that spotlight back to her
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: good point.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: And then when they're at the dinner, like Cody's not
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: saying anything. He's literally silent.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Which is weird because you would think if your wife,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: who you love is telling you in the family, I
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: might have to bounce doses. Yeah, you'd be like shell shocked.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: You'd be like, what what's going on here? Please tell
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: me more? He says nothing at all, sits there with
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: a weird smile on his face.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: It's really bizarre, and he like doesn't even look at
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: her in the eye, and she's like crying and looking away,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: and then Cody did the camera's like, I don't.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Know what She's like, she's gonna leave. I don't know.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: That's because Cody already knows. Cody has been in the
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: loop with this catfish for months through Kendra, Robin's friend.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: They all know, I don't, I mean Robin, Kendra, and Cody.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know about Janelle and Christine.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like Janelle and Christine I believe that they know.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, like maybe if Cody told Janelle something maybe
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: she could know, but I know, I feel like Christine
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: didn't know until it got aired out or whatever. My
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: thing is, if Robin truly was behind the catfish and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: her goal was to secure her empire, why would she
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: be behind this and essentially destroy like Mary and her
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: spat in the family and her reputation, Like what would
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: her why?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: See, I don't think Robin was behind it. Like, I
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: don't think she called up Jackie or whatever her name
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: was and said, hey, let's pull this scam on Mary.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I think that she caught wind of what was happening.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's because she was also
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: on social media noticing what was happening, or if Kendra
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: inserted herself into Jackie's life or whatever, but like at
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: some point she became aware of what was happening and
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: then they started to just talk about it behind the scenes.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Then why would she like egg it on? Why would
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: she continue to know about it? Well?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: What was her comment last season when she was confronted
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: about this? She said something like, well, if Mary thinks
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: that I had anything to do with that, then that's
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: her problem, or like she got really defensive about the catfish.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I'm like, Okay, if you did have
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: a hand in it, then like why if you wanted
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: to keep the family together, I don't understand. That's my
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: whole thing that I don't.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Because she doesn't. And she's saying that she's so grateful
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: for Mary's sacrifice by getting a divorce to Cody so
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that she could marry him and he could adopt her kids.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Like she keeps saying she loves Mary, she's there for Mary,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: but in truth, I don't think she is at all.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, And it's pretty sad. And Like, ultimately,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: when I was watching this, even though I was frustrated
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: by Mary just like beating around the bush and just
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: like not saying what she fully means or saying the
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: full truth, I did feel really bad for her because
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: she was crying a lot. And this is like, again,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: really embarrassing to have it be aired out. I do
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: wish that she could have been more honest about the
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: fact that she fell in love with this made up
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: dude with a fake photo.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And she's probably being forced to do this on camera yea,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: because the whole nation is going to talk about it exactly,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and so they're gonna have to address it. So can
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you imagine she knows she's going to the gallows, she's
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: going to this dinner, and she's gonna have to say
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: something to these people, and it's going to be terrible,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be embarrassing, and so she kind of just
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: falls apart and doesn't say much. Yeah, she's obviously emotional.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I liked seeing Christine being very supportive and so, but
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I kind of also understand why Mary didn't turn to Christine,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: for example, to sort of share what was going on
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: with her and in her life or the catfish, because
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Christine is so judgmental from that Mormon aub perspective. If
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: anybody at that table would have been there, I think
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: for Mary it would have been Janelle. I think Janelle
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: would have sat down with her, heard about the catfish,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: heard about her situation, and honestly helped her.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Janelle the Taurus would have been like the only grounding force.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like, I feel like she would have been
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the only one that would have quietly listened, like without judgment.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe she would have had a little bit of like
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: what the fuck, but like not enough to like put
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Mary off or whatever. I feel like Christine one hundred
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: percent would have judged her. And it's funny because Christine
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: said something in this episode like Mary wants to run away,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: but we're more of a support system than that, Like
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: you owe us to stay here because we'll support you.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, really though, because you guys don't
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: really like each other. And that's the other layer of
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: all of this. It's like Christine and Janelle are saying
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: like they're really supportive, but like Mary and Janelle don't
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: really like each other. Christine doesn't get along with Mary
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: because we know from her book that Mary was mean
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: and has always been mean, and like Christine's jealous of
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Robin and doesn't like her. Janelle doesn't really like her,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: but she tolerates her. Like none of these women actually
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: like each other, right, so there really isn't a support system.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: At all, or isn't actually safe at that table at all?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: No, And like in the family, like Mary doesn't really
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: have anybody at all, and she has no friends, like
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: she hasn't met Jen at this point. I don't think
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I think she has this. Well, then she should have
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: fucking talked Jen.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: She probably did. Maybe maybe Jen new, Maybe Jen new,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think she could have shared
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: with Janelle. I mean Janelle left Cody a couple of times. Yeah,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: moved out of the state, fuck you both fingers right,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and left his ass. Like I think she would totally
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: get it and hopefully support Mary, but like that's just
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: a relationship. It's like two ships in they just never
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: get that shit together Janelle and Mary.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: No, not at all. And like I will say, I
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: think Mary is a little bit dumb for being catfish
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: by somebody online because I'm just like, this is so stupid. Yeah,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: and like you're also like a TV personality, Like why
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: don't you think about totally the fact that people are
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: totally going to be messaging you to try and get
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: dirt on you.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: So his profile picture, and I don't know if y'all
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: remember what that was, it was like a black and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: white sort of business y sort of picture. He was
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a young man with dark hair. He was very classically handsome.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: So she saw the profile picture and she was just like,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: let me get a banana.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: It's so embarrassing.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: It is embarrassing, And she's so embarrassed in this moment.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's cringe dude, like twenty sixteen, Like you're
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: like in your forties. It's not even like you're a
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: boomer who's like learning how to use a computer for
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: the first time, Like, oh, you're an adult. You know
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: how technology.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Weren't on the internet probably for well she's a Mormon,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but like I was on the internet
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: ninety three, honey, Yeah, I was on the internet for real.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Well, Facebook was invented in like two thousand and eight, Like,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: it's not like it was so new, like you could
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think it was really silly
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: to like fall for this very obviously fake profile. But
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: she was like talking to him on the phone and
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: again probably having phone sex and just like living her
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: best life.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: So was this chick Jackie like just doing a male
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: voice or did she have some sort of like voice
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: transformer or something like what happened with that? I don't know.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: How would you not know?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Because I thought was it Leon that said it or
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Christine that said it? Like Leon had overheard the conversations
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: and like knew that it was a woman. Like so
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Sam was even using any voice
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: altering stuff. I know that stuff exists, and it definitely exists,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: back existed back then, But like was Mary just falling
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: for a bush?
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the next thing. Let's continue to ascend
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: because maybe at some point, like if, as she says
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: this episode, she had a feeling, like one week into
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: their conversation Mary and Sam, she had a feeling that
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: he was horseshitting her. Maybe at some point she realized, Oh,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm talking to a chick and I like it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe and I'm not mad at it. So I'm gonna
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: continue to have this conversation. I don't know, because she
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: does seem very betrayed by Jackie, and.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I know she like calls him a bastard, like she's
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: super pissed off that he would have the audacity to
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: fake a profile. But I'm like, you still, like you'd said,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: you still chose to talk to him and have phone
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: sex and send pictures with your banana in your mouth.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: It's like, though you were dubious, but this person was.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: And remember didn't Mary go to Disneyland? And Sam sent
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: his best friend Jackie to meet Mary because I can't go.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I'm very busy. I'm a businessman, so but I'm gonna
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: send my friend who's really good with technology. You don't
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: want to mess with her. I'm gonna send her to Disneyland.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: And Mary actually met Jackie at this time. Yeah, I
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: think before this time, she's already been to Disneyland. She
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: thought she was meeting Sam's best friend, but she was
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: meeting her actual catfish. So she did meet her.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: And that's what's crazy to me, So like you were
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: actively going to meet this person outside of your family,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: outside of your marriage. I will say she did mention
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit of that, being like, you know, I
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: can't believe I did this type of a thing. I'm
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: a married woman and like I have a family, but
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: it was lonely and I was talking to me for I.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Don't think she was ever as overt as that.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: She did say something like I was married, and why
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: am I doing this outside of my marriage? But I was.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: It was my friend, my friend who.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Said made me laugh. I was laughing again in my
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: lonely house, and.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: He said he was attracted to me and my poor nanny.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Oh god. So it's sad, it's also enraging. It's also
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: like Crinn, but it's what happened to Mary Brown. And
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: here we are going into the next season.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that's the question, are we going to
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: watch the tell all for this because I do remember
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: in this season they do address the catfish and the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: tell all and it is with Tambern Hall.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Can we not do it as like a recap of
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: an episode, but like maybe we can just watch it before. Yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: we'll spark notes and then we'll watch the first episode
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: of season ten and we can talk about anything that
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: was germane from this tell all.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: It sounds good to me, okay.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Babes Well, is that the last thing that happened.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: That was pretty much it? It was like the whole
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: conversation of just the catfish and Cody's confused okay about
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: what she means? And the season ends.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Well, what are your thoughts out there? Guys? Were you
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: around when this dropped in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, whenever
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: it aired? What were your thoughts then? What are your
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: thoughts now? Knowing what you know, Like, what do you
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: think about Mary now and how she dealt with it
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: throughout the entire rest of their marriage? I'm interested? Yeah,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: is there anything else that we need to say to
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: these beautiful raccoons before we get up on out of here?
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Beadrels Well, if you love our podcast, please do us
• 41:12
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• 41:14
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• 41:17
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• 41:19
  Speaker 1: We're gonna be back next week to get into season
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: ten this Bitch finally, yes, and talk a little bit
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: more about the catfish. And also, didn't I send you
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: something on Instagram on a new show that might be interesting?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: What was it Married at First Site? Right, there's a revamp.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Married at First Site has been taken over by Peacock
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: and they've refreshed it. It's not two hours each episode,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I think. Let me know if I'm wrong about that.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: But it's also modernized, so I don't know if it's
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: like a little bit more like Love Island or like
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit more like something like that. I don't know. Guys,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: if you're watching, tell us what you think about it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: But we're thinking about maybe covering it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it sounds interesting if it's better than the original,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: I'm down.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Well, did you also see that thing I sent to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: you on Instagram about those wives who are doing only
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: fans and the men who manage them. Yeah?
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: What was it called?
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Like something about I don't know, ladies out just in
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Suburbia being oas God on the internet, which is my favorite.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I love a huah, I.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Did find it. What is it called tillim like the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Mom next Door? Double Lives of Suburban Wives.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Gosh, you just never know, do you?
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I would be into that if it's
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a bunch of soccer moms being.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like so gunshy with TLC after poly Family and
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: like suddenly Homage, Like those were so overly produced, they
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: were such a drag. I didn't want to watch them anymore.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: But these ones look legit though.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Kind of are you guys gonna watch? Do you have
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: any suggestions for something that we can watch until the
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: new season of Sister Wives comes on?
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Perfectly, something that's not like a slog to watch, like
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: a fucking ninety day.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I don't have that kind of time.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Two hour episodes and like for four weeks we're in
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: the same scene. Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's got to be something out there though that
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: we can watch and have some fun with double lives
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: of supermin lives. Okay, I don't married at first sight. Okay,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: let us know what you guys think. We'll be back
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: next week, Like I said, until then, please do not
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: forget that we have nothing but love for you, and
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Please all night