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UK Column News Extra — 27th April 2026 · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome back. Do we admit and that was
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  Speaker 1: a just in time delivery? Ben? We should share with
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  Speaker 1: our orty. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, well it was. It was you know, expertly done.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, indeed, perfectly timed.
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  Speaker 1: We are just admitting that sometimes our preparation for the
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  Speaker 1: news runs to the wire.
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  Speaker 3: Literally, yes, I mean you you, yes, but.
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  Speaker 1: We were there. Let's just pop the three young men
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  Speaker 1: on screen again, Ben, because I think there is a
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  Speaker 1: little bit Obviously a trial is coming.
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  Speaker 3: Up, so it was today starts today?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, it starts today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It is extraordinary how this thing has developed. And I
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  Speaker 1: am worried as to whether these three young men will
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  Speaker 1: get a fair trial. Do you think that concern is reasonable?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's certainly politically charged, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: Will they get a fair trial? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: How is it that three young Ukrainian men who provide
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  Speaker 1: services I believe and models, how is it that they
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  Speaker 1: suddenly show an interest in our Prime Minister when we
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  Speaker 1: are giving Ukraine enormous financial and military support. Why would
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  Speaker 1: this occur? I don't know. I'm extremely puzzled. Trials coming up,
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  Speaker 1: so we've got to wait and see what happens. But
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  Speaker 1: that's that's my key issue. Whatever we may think about
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  Speaker 1: these three young men from what's reported, I hope they
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  Speaker 1: get a fair trial.
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  Speaker 2: We will see they get a fair trial too, I do.
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  Speaker 2: It does strike me though, no, I suppose obviously justice
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  Speaker 2: has got to be done. But in any other period
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  Speaker 2: of history would that not have just led to a resignation.
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  Speaker 3: You've got the three young.
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  Speaker 2: Male messuses have fire bombed your personal residence, Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: If you live in a world ben where an attack
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  Speaker 1: or another nation state Iran is actually defense. You are
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  Speaker 1: part of an attack, but you call it defense. So
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  Speaker 1: war is peace, piece is war. It's already nineteen eighty fourish.
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  Speaker 1: And of course the justice system ripped a part that
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  Speaker 1: was all the fault of COVID. We are supposed to believe.
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  Speaker 1: And every structure inside this country is being broken apart,
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  Speaker 1: and that is clearly deliberate. And the aim is to
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  Speaker 1: destroy the old because it's only then you can bring
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  Speaker 1: in the new. And this is the system you are describing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to try and reinforce for people. It's
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  Speaker 1: so important to just keep in mind thinking that a
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  Speaker 1: little bit deeper on what's happening, and particularly what's happening
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  Speaker 1: inside this country, because if we don't get a grip
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  Speaker 1: of it, we're not going to be able to help
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  Speaker 1: anybody outside the country. It is just so important.
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  Speaker 2: Well quite yes, I mean, you know, it's this issue
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of the international situation, whether it's wars
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  Speaker 2: or what's happening Trump, you know, supposing the assassination attempts,
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  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff is actually draws the attention
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  Speaker 2: away from what's going on on our doorstep. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: as I talked about Oxford, and it's not just this
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  Speaker 2: year Oxford for.
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  Speaker 3: Many years because the Skull World.
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  Speaker 2: Forum has been running for at least a decade now,
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  Speaker 2: and that's just one event, you know, and there's a
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  Speaker 2: whole kind of circus of these things and ongoing international
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  Speaker 2: circus of seminars and conferences and show piece. You know,
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  Speaker 2: everyone knows about the World Forum in dad Wash in January.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the bigg and obvious ones in the
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  Speaker 2: UN General Assembly that happens in September. But there's just
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  Speaker 2: a constant program of these things going on. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of it's focused on the UK and actually, as we
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  Speaker 2: talked about last year, Oxfordshire in particular, is being used
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  Speaker 2: as a as a as a as a test bed,
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  Speaker 2: as a as a as a showcase, the laboratory for
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  Speaker 2: the development of this new international governance system, which is
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  Speaker 2: this bizarre fusion of sort of neo communism and the
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  Speaker 2: destruction of individual rights and Magna carta and you know,
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  Speaker 2: everything that our society rests on as a restaurant for
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  Speaker 2: you know, eight hundred plus years now and more really
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  Speaker 2: is you know, Oxford. Oxford's right at the heart of that.
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  Speaker 2: Oxfordshire is right at the heart of that. And that's
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  Speaker 2: where that events happening. That's where Matthew freyd was having
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  Speaker 2: his great reset of philanthropy or whatever it was, whatever
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  Speaker 2: it was called, you know, because they want the globe
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  Speaker 2: the richest people that they ever lived in the whole
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  Speaker 2: of history, who was someone very rightly pointed out in
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  Speaker 2: the chat box. Have basically made the rest of us
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  Speaker 2: poor through the economic and political policies that they've been
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  Speaker 2: promoting for the past fifty years plus. They made the
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  Speaker 2: rest of us poor so that they can come along
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  Speaker 2: and been philanthropic and generous. Now with all the wealth
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  Speaker 2: that they've taken for themselves, you know, it's despicable, utterly
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  Speaker 2: despicable behavior.
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  Speaker 3: In Oxford's right at the center of it.
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  Speaker 2: Also Cambridge, it's the whole country's you know, I've got
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  Speaker 2: its own little pockets. Plymouth's got a lot of it.
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  Speaker 2: Exter's got a lot of it, you know, Cornwall. You know,
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  Speaker 2: look at the Community Foundations Network. I was talking about
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  Speaker 2: a couple of a month or so ago. They're in
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  Speaker 2: every county. There's this stuff happening in microcosm everywhere around
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  Speaker 2: the whole of the UK.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just going to press a bit on my
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  Speaker 1: little report there on the Chinese com Manu that that's
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  Speaker 1: put across as the powerhouse Chinese economic system. But when
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  Speaker 1: you just dig in, you lift one stone, what you
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  Speaker 1: actually find is the same sort of people. Are the
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  Speaker 1: people who've been in the background helping to launch this
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  Speaker 1: company in China, which then gets to a point where
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  Speaker 1: it is wiping out the industrial base in America. So
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  Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves, how does this little system work?
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  Speaker 1: And of course we can ask the same question if
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  Speaker 1: we look back into the nineteen thirties, with in particular
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  Speaker 1: Ford Motor Company actually helping the Russians, and lots of
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  Speaker 1: questions as to what is actually going on. There's the
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  Speaker 1: surface politics, which is fed to the masses, and then
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  Speaker 1: there's what happens underneath it, which is absolutely not fed
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  Speaker 1: to the masses. So in some cases it's hidden in
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  Speaker 1: plain sight. But just come back to the well, if
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  Speaker 1: that was the example with China, for UK, we have
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  Speaker 1: got this same thing with Israel. At the moment. It
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  Speaker 1: is getting very difficult to tell whether you're living in
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  Speaker 1: the UK or you living in a UK Israeli partnership
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  Speaker 1: or Israel actually pulling the strings in UK. I'd like
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  Speaker 1: to know, because it's very disingenuous for the government to
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  Speaker 1: pretend to be in power if it's being manipulated by
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  Speaker 1: a foreign power. And of course Trump's in the same
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  Speaker 1: position because there's a huge backlash at the moment in
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  Speaker 1: the States. Well, yes, over whether he was in control
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  Speaker 1: or he was being pulled along B the nose, led
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  Speaker 1: along B the nose by net and Yahoo on the
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  Speaker 1: path to walk with Iran on everything absolutely everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, like they he may be
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  Speaker 2: a partnership, but there's certainly a junior partner and a
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  Speaker 2: senior partner, right and we nobody to where around that
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  Speaker 2: goes but and yeah, he cuts across, it comes across
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  Speaker 2: the peace and you know, and what we're seeing over
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  Speaker 2: the past few couple of weeks. When was the supposed
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  Speaker 2: attack on the ambulances that was about a month ago,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't it? It was My sense of time is getting completely
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  Speaker 2: distorted at.
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  Speaker 1: The moment in the UK column. Yeah, that is the
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  Speaker 1: hamster wheel turning.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the Hotel California, the But there's a you know,
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  Speaker 2: bord of Deputies Head Phil Rosenberg, Efrimmrvis, chief Rabbi you know,
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  Speaker 2: Mervis had Shabana ma mood in last week for a
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  Speaker 2: struggle session. Rosenberg was on gb US talking about how
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  Speaker 2: awful it all is and the jew hate and this
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  Speaker 2: and that and but there's never any acknowledgement at all. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the extraordinary violence is going on in the Middle East
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  Speaker 2: at the moment. It has been going off quite some time.
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  Speaker 2: And we're talking decades now, right, eighty years really near
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  Speaker 2: enough plus and or the existence of all of these agreements,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the twenty thirty Partnership Roadmap, which is basically
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  Speaker 2: a fusion of the British state with the Israeli state.
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  Speaker 2: That's what there is, you know. And then there's no
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  Speaker 2: acknowledgment of any of this stuff. It's just oh, it's
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  Speaker 2: just come out of nowhere. It's like, yeah, right, come on,
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  Speaker 2: this is silly.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, you've mentioned Pallunteer and of course Paneteer involved
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  Speaker 1: in AI before we get to a little bit of comment.
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  Speaker 1: Why AI has been in the media. Yeah, AI in
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  Speaker 1: the UK Callum twentieth what our AI voiceover? Jemma our
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  Speaker 1: AI robot.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, she lives in the cloud.
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  Speaker 2: She's somewhere here in the room with us now, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: someone in the chat box saying that that was an
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  Speaker 2: AI voiceover. I think they were a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: front in the UK column would would use an AI
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  Speaker 2: to do the voiceover for their protect film. But no,
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  Speaker 2: it was just Jemma's voice is so perfect and she is,
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  Speaker 2: in fact the only broadcast professional in the organization formerly.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, Yeah, that she's.
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  Speaker 3: Just got that. She's got that's got that voice. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so polished.
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  Speaker 1: Well there we go.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not real, She's definitely real. Come along in September
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  Speaker 2: and you can meet her.
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  Speaker 1: All right, thank you, ticket, It's yeah, something I can't
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  Speaker 1: miss the opportunity on this. But we are going to
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  Speaker 1: have tremendous fun in September. It is going to be
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  Speaker 1: utterly great to be with people and have this extra
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  Speaker 1: time because on all the other events that we do
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: for the UK column team, it's very pressurized because we've
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  Speaker 1: got this, We've usually got travel, we've got the setup,
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  Speaker 1: welcoming of our guests, and then a pretty busy program
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  Speaker 1: obviously for the talks and through the day and chats
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  Speaker 1: and socializing till quite late at night. It's a very
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  Speaker 1: full on agenda. We do enjoy it. Those one day
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  Speaker 1: events certainly very productive, but the thing about the two
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  Speaker 1: day event is that it gives people time to actually
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  Speaker 1: relax with one another because there's lots of breaks and
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  Speaker 1: slots where people can just be sat down with a
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  Speaker 1: coffee or maybe it's in the evening with a beer
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  Speaker 1: or glass of wine or something, and you can be
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  Speaker 1: talking to people. And we have seen this in the
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  Speaker 1: wonderful events that Ian Crane used to put on, when
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  Speaker 1: some people did not actually attend all the talks because
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  Speaker 1: they felt that it was much more important to be
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  Speaker 1: there with other people they felt they could freely talk
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  Speaker 1: with and to make new friends and to talk about
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  Speaker 1: things that they felt they couldn't talk to other people.
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  Speaker 1: So this social interaction is an absolutely major part of it.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact it's over the three days Friday, Saturday
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  Speaker 1: and Sunday is going to allow us to do this.
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  Speaker 1: So this one is going to be special and it's
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  Speaker 1: here in home Base, home Camp, indeed in Plymouth, and
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be brilliant. So if you haven't got
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  Speaker 1: a ticket, we're going to encourage you to do it
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  Speaker 1: and also have a look at the other facilities around
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  Speaker 1: because many people who have not ever been to Plymouth
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  Speaker 1: will be quite stunned at how beautiful the seafront is.
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  Speaker 1: And you've got so much wonderful stuff within a few
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  Speaker 1: holes of Plymouth where it's brilliant beaches, coastline walks or
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  Speaker 1: cliff walks. You've got dark Moor which is absolutely stunning,
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  Speaker 1: and then you've got trips you can have across the
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  Speaker 1: River Tamar and to.
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  Speaker 2: Go to Edg this thing is and ed this is
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  Speaker 2: just this is I think the best country park that
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  Speaker 2: I've been to in England actually certainly. I mean I
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  Speaker 2: haven't spent a lot of time recently going to them,
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  Speaker 2: but this marriage can stay just stunning. I only went
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  Speaker 2: there for the first time about a month ago. I'd
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  Speaker 2: highly highly recommend that. And the boat of across Kremills
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  Speaker 2: is a lot of fun too.
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  Speaker 1: So all this is going to be on your doorstep
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  Speaker 1: if you come and join us. So if you're hesitating,
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  Speaker 1: can I do it? Think of it as a holiday,
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  Speaker 1: because that's how I think most people are going to
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  Speaker 1: think after they've been down for the event. It's going
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  Speaker 1: to be an opportunity to really get rid of some
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  Speaker 1: of the stress and just relax with other like minded
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  Speaker 1: people who are signed from anything else. Are going to
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  Speaker 1: make you laugh. Okay, well that was the little plug
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  Speaker 1: off the back of AI. But of course I had
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  Speaker 1: to pick up on the Daily Mail report. Apologies, Daily Mail,
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  Speaker 1: I think you've been cut off the top of this thing.
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  Speaker 1: But I know, yes, that's a lot of the Daily
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  Speaker 1: Mail journalists said to me when he didn't acknowledge the
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  Speaker 1: UK column's work in reporting common purpose. But here's the headline.
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  Speaker 1: AI spy program roots out hundreds of rogue police officers
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  Speaker 1: after Scotland Yard. Lets it loose on internal system, So
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  Speaker 1: you don't want it catching criminals in any shape or form.
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  Speaker 1: Let it loose on your own people. But it's caused
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  Speaker 1: quite some ructions, because of course everybody knows there's been
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  Speaker 1: quite a lot of slacking going on in the police,
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  Speaker 1: people who are not been doing their job properly, and
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  Speaker 1: now apparently this wonderful AI can pick up those discretions.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the Guardian here met investigates hundreds of officers
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  Speaker 1: after using the Palenteer AI tool. So I just wanted
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  Speaker 1: to say, Bennett, just incredible, isn't it? The Pallenteer. It's
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  Speaker 1: a company that is suddenly everywhere in UK, in the NHS,
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  Speaker 1: it's now in the police, it's in government. What are
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  Speaker 1: the background checks that have been done on the Palenteer
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  Speaker 1: team to actually see they have the best interests of
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  Speaker 1: UK at heart? How many of them are dual nationality,
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  Speaker 1: in which case I'm happy to say they are automatically
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  Speaker 1: going to have split loyalty's. I want to use the
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  Speaker 1: word outrageous. I used it twice in the not even.
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  Speaker 2: I used to work in the same office Parenteer on
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  Speaker 2: Soho Square before they actually opened up the bigger office
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  Speaker 2: which is the one that Hikoku is currently protesting outside.
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  Speaker 3: So I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was working there in twenty eighteen in the old
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  Speaker 2: FA building, beautiful office. Actually we had the seventh floor
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  Speaker 2: and then they had a couple of floors below that.
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  Speaker 2: No formal interaction with them at all, but we used
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  Speaker 2: to use the same lift basically, so you'd see people
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  Speaker 2: going in and out of their floor. Very international crowd,
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  Speaker 2: lots of East Asian looking people, lots of Americans, you know,
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  Speaker 2: very few British nationals working there, certainly at that point,
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  Speaker 2: and there's probably how they like it. You know, if
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  Speaker 2: you have people who have too much loyalty to the
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  Speaker 2: country that you're operating out of, it's more difficult for
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  Speaker 2: them to come in start really messing with the way
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  Speaker 2: that it's set up.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Although mostly seems to be having a great time of
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  Speaker 2: it at the moment, but I do wonder this MET investigation.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder how they if they ever overlaid that with
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  Speaker 2: those questions about membership of mass orders in the MET.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that they ever did any digging around
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  Speaker 3: that or is that off limits?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's probably off limits. But let's just put
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  Speaker 1: the next one on screen, because here's future Scott saying
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  Speaker 1: that Police Scotland also having a look at proof of
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  Speaker 1: concept with AII trials, but they are focused on corporate efficiencies,
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  Speaker 1: corporate because obviously it's a profit making police force, presumably
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  Speaker 1: that's what they mean. And of course no corruption there
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  Speaker 1: north of the border in Police Scotland. They're just going
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  Speaker 1: to look at corporate efficiencies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the operational stuff basically, I mean, so this
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  Speaker 2: is how they said it, right, So this is exactly
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  Speaker 2: the same as the doge program that Musk was brought
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  Speaker 2: in to deliver that ended up getting blown up after
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  Speaker 2: I think it was less than a year, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 2: But a bish they come in and by the way,
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  Speaker 2: government is absolutely ripe for this because there's so much
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  Speaker 2: inefficiency inside the state and this is taxpayer money that
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  Speaker 2: is just getting squandered on absolute nonsense. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: very easy sell, you know, particularly to a more sort
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  Speaker 2: of right leaning conservative audience that are concerned about taxation
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  Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. They'll come in and say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: we'll use it to get rid of you know, inefficiencies,
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  Speaker 2: and then that will save you money. The thing is,
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  Speaker 2: he never really ends up saving your money at all.
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  Speaker 3: And in the in.
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  Speaker 2: The process they've then restructured the organization and made themselves
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  Speaker 2: completely basically to the point where you can't extract them
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  Speaker 2: from it. Your entire operational system is built on the
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  Speaker 2: technology that they've they've used to go in and run
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  Speaker 2: these audit processes, and and and then and then you
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  Speaker 2: never actually see the upside, you know. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: anyone in the US, for example, after the DOGE program
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  Speaker 2: and cutting us A or any of those things, are
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  Speaker 2: seeing any kind of significant reduction in their their tax build.
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  Speaker 2: They not as far as I'm aware, and would be
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  Speaker 2: exactly the same thing here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, we know we know where AI is going,
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  Speaker 1: which is going to be more and more job losses.
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  Speaker 1: But don't worry because AI is going to be rooting
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  Speaker 1: out the fraud and corruption. And yeah, well let's leave
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  Speaker 1: that one there. I have another little video clip of
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  Speaker 1: the protester Arif Fairford, which i'd like to share with
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  Speaker 1: the audience in UK column Extra because the lady kindly
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: sent in an extended video clip, we can't use it all.
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  Speaker 1: But there was another segment which I thought was very interesting,
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  Speaker 1: and it's again showing this theme that we've got people
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: going to a protest. They're well informed, they're quiet, they're measured,
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  Speaker 1: and they're getting information across and I think this has
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  Speaker 1: a power all of its own, so let's just have
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  Speaker 1: a little listen to this clip. Thanks very much, Nigel.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Our next speaker is Anne Alexander and she's here speaking
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  Speaker 2: on behalf of the Bride Norton five.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much. My name's An Alexander and I'm
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: actually standing in for Nida Jaffrey who was supposed to
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: come and speak today but couldn't make it unfortunately. I'm
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: speaking on behalf of the Bride Norton five campaign. Probably
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: you've all heard of the Bride Norton five because they
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: were arrested and have been charged in relation to alleged
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: involvement with an action at Brize Norton where people broke
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: in and spray painted warplanes that are being are complicit
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: in the genocide in Gaza. To highlight again as we're
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: doing here, the role of the British government in facilitating
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: and supporting genocide against the Palestinians. So what I've come
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: here today to speak about is to highlight that there
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: are people on remand at the moment who are facing
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: very serious charges linked to the National Security Act that
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: has been brought in by the government quite recently. They
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be on remand they have been locked up since
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: last year and their trial is not until twenty twenty seven.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: So if you see what's happening here, you have an
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: escalation of repression by the state in order to try
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: and stop people from speaking out and organizing and taking
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: action in solidarity with people who are facing genocide and
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: war in the Middle East.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I couldn't refute that, Ben, This is absolutely the case,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and she's talking about the five there. But also in
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the news today we had David Skinner, Christian who speaks
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: out on the subject of abortion, and the next minute
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: he's become a criminal. Except that in his appeal, which
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: he won, there seems to be quite an extraordinary change
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: in the attitude of the court, even though they brought
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: in a High Court judge, especially to hear his case.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: One might have thought that High Court judge would have
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: come in and hammered him, but the exact opposite happened.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: So this lady talking to the crowd and warning about
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: this repressive regime, this is absolutely correct, and this is
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: unfolding very quickly in UK. Lord Levison of course absolutely
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: pushing to get rid of jury trials and to accelerate
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the judicial process. Of course AI is in the background
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: for that, and so nothing is going to get near
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the court room, which is about compassion or understanding or
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: mitigating circumstances. This is going to be pretty vicious justice.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And why does the government need this so quickly because
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: they are so frightened that people are going to wake
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: up to how the country is being taken apart. It's
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: not being destroyed as a result of incompetence. The state
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: is being destroyed as a result of targeted orchestrated attack.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, there's nothing incompetent about it, really, you know,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the real action anyway, it's extraordinarily well planned and executed.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: The political punch and duty show in the front of
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: house to keep people entertained is certainly populated with people
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: who are extremely incompetent. But the people doing the real
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: business know exactly what's going on. I would say she
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: was good, very good tone, well delivered, you know. But
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: that protest movement, I think I saw some CND banners
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: will stop the Walk coalition, you know, they've been in
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the denist for a long time, you know. But what
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: really needs to happen is those people and perhaps our friend,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the gentleman who was up in court that you were
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: talking about, David Skinner. Those people needs are talking to
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: each other. Yes, yeah, because you're protesting against the corrupt system.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: You're protesting against the corrupt system. Well, there are some,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: well on the surface level, appear to be irreconcilable differences
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: around because I'd imagine a bunch of that crowd would
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: have certainly taken issue with his protest against abortion, for example.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: But I mean, these are.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: The things that we're going to have to We're going
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: to have to bridge those device we're going to make
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: it a progress.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a very important thing that you're saying,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: because I've been I've been a little bit stunned to
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: actually see some how do we describe it interaction within
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the activist movement, truth movement? I always find that one
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a I'm not sure, I'm totally
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the resistance. The resistance. The resistance has gone on well
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: over quite a few years, with people having different interests,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: different different subjects, interests and different styles as to how
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: they challenge, you know, the incoming global order. And you
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: can see over the years that people haven't got on
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: sometimes and there's been a little bit of infighting, but
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: in general, people who are active have stayed on the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: pathway of being active, and they haven't gone out of
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: their way to actually attack and destabilize other people. And
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I just find it interesting at the moment that we've
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: now got clearly some people intent on breaking apart whatever
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: relationships there are between people in the activist movement the resistance,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: and of course this plays absolutely into the hands of
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the global order because everything they do is about labeling
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: people and it's about divide and rule. So I've been
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: extremely interested to see that you could almost say, out
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: of nowhere, we've got people who are spending more time
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: attacking other people that are trying to do the job
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: of taking on the world government. There's spending more time
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: attacking other people around them than they are focusing on
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the people who are ultimately going to put us in
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the camps. And that's an interesting mind state to be in. Bennett,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I think maybe I need to ask David Skyman if
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: he come back on, because he was talking about the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: mesmerism of people. But we've got people falling out with
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: each other over the use of specific terms, because if
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: somebody uses one label one way, then you mustn't use
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: it another way, because that means that you're a bad person.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I'm finding some of this truly mind boggling.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, there's a lot of.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of very paranoid people, and there's a
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: lot of people who've been massively abused and.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Traumatized.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: And I put myself into that camp frankly, you know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: like I certainly so, I'm paranoid and I've been psychologically
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: abused over the past few years, you know, And it's
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: pretty a bit of a baptism of fire to business
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: with you. I have not actually been at this that long.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I've only been doing it for about three years. But no,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you certainly see that. You certainly see that, and in
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: one way it is kind of understandable. But then also
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: there was there was a term I was using a
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: little while ago, you know, as a bit of self reflection.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: There was a term I was using in some of
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: the stuff that I was working on about two years ago.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I was talking about this idea of active citizens. I
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: really like that idea. You want citizens who are active,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: and citizen obviously has a very specific definition around it,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: which is quite important, and you want those people you
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: know in the they have a loyal to a nation
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: or a state, right, Yeah, so.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: It's a nationalist word.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Really, you know, you can't be a global citizen, however
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: much people would like you to introduce that as a
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: concept and active because when people who actually do things right.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: And then I found out about six months after I
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: had started using it, the actually extinction Rebellion use the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: exact same term, so they have and so their community
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: organizers trying to find active citizens. So I was like, oh,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I get me into trouble if I start kee if
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I keep on talking about active citizens because that's their word.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: But you know, do you stop using it or because actually,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: because that is kind of what I want to say.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: This. This is a key thing, isn't it. That language
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: has been weaponized and people are you say a simple example, Okay,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: grammatically I was incorrect because I sometimes will talk about
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: UK and it should be the UK people very sensitive
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: to stuff around language, rather than saying, well, hang on
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a bit, we're trying to fight a babble. Yeah, if
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: somebody is describing something at slightly different terms to the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: way I do it, this is not a cause for
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: in fighting because the only people who went out to
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: that is the other side. But yeah, it is interesting
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to what.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: We've got to You've just got to be absolutely buttoned
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: down on definition of terms as well. Right, so when
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I say active citizen, what does that mean? And and
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: what does that and then but what does it mean
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: when someone else is saying So you can't just go
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: on the one thing and and base your entire assessment
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: on these that one phrase.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: You need to look at.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, contextually, what's what's been set around it? What
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the recommend how does what is it? What are you
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: actually saying when you say citizen? What are you actually
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: saying when you say active? What are the broader recommendations
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: that sit around this thing?
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: So it's like there's actually a lot more going on,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: you know. It's Yeah, it's an interesting one.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: It is, and it's challenging as well.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Somebody that I didn't mention during the news but was
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: in my mind has been in my mind actually over
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks is rhina Forlnick and a
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: lot of people have forgotten about him. He was the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: German lawyer that stood up to really challenge what was
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: happening around vaccines during the COVID nineteen scam, and he
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: brought together his panel to take evidence. I think it
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: was about four hundred specialist people and others who were
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: invited to give evidence to his panel. I was lucky
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: enough to be invited, and my particular angle was to say, well,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: there's all of the evidence to being collected collated to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: show that medically what we were told about the COVID
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: nineteen vaccine and the benefits efficacy of the vaccines just
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: not true. But the other thing which not many people
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: are paying attention to, is that with the COVID nineteen
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: policies and lockdown came an absolutely immense psycho psychological attack
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: on people's minds. And so that was the angle that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I delivered, just my small contribution into that team. And
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I must say that I was surprised when I started
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to learn that things are unfolded around Ryan and Formick,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and he was accused of embezzling money and that then
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: moved on through a trial and ultimately he ended up
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: in prison. Over the years, I've spent a lot of
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: attention with people who've not only been in prison, but
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: also I've been in psychiatric facilities as a result of
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: really cracked down by the state, But with Rhiner, I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: just wasn't able to follow it through there was too
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: much else happening. But over the last couple of weeks
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I've been able to start talking with some of the
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: team of people who've been very close to him, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: they've got me very interested in the circumstances around his trial.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Now I have no idea whether Rhiner is guilty or
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: not guilty of the crimes that he was sentenced to,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: but I do know that things happen during the progress
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: of the trial which shall not only very strange, they
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: resonate with me where I've seen corruption at work in
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: courts in the UK. So my intention is to follow
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: through on this a bit more, to see if there's
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: a story to be told around Rhino Formick and the
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: fact he's okay if we say he's guilty. He's still
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: been think appallingly treated through the German legal and prison system,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and I think we need to have a look in it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: But I've been deeply saddened to see individuals attacking him,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and of course, if we're crude about it, he's a
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: man in the gutter, so people are kicking him. But
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: these individuals have never stood up to speak about anything
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: in the way that Rhina Formeck did. So I think
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: there's some very interesting stones to be lifted around the
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: people attacking Rhyina for met and I am going to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: do my best to help lift some of those stones
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to see what we find underneath. And if people want
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: to know why I'd like to do this, in simple terms,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: it's because Rhina Formick, for whatever he may or may
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: not have done, is a human being. And if he
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: did not get a fair trial, then of course we
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: need to remember that if he didn't get a fair trial,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: that Tommy may come when none of us gets a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: fair trial. So I'm certainly going to be digging, but
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going to repeat that I've been pretty appalled to
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: see some of the written attacks coming in on Ryan
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and Formick, because whatever you say about him, he brought
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: a huge body of evidence forward.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: And also, if I remember correctly, he's some of the
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: work that he'd done prior to that around in the
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: automotive industry where you had Volkswagen and some of these
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: other big companies were cheating on emission testing.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Well, there's controversy around this, you know, just to put
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: it out there that certain individuals have challenged that is
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: it true or not true? And the fascinating thing is
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: that some of them have used chat gpt in order
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: to see whether it's true not And this is a
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: very interesting style to do things, because if I've gone
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: back the other way and popped a name into chat GPT,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I've been pretty surprised at what it actually told me
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a taste of there. So we'll
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: see what comes up.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, we must.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: End there, otherwise we're going to be told off probably.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Or just cut off or cut off.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: We don't want to be cut off, all right, We'll
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: say to the audience, brilliant, thank you very much for
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: joining us. We are always finding we're finding more and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: more that how do we cover everything in the news. Well,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: of course we can't. One of the things we're not
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: going to do is shy away from the topics we
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: as UK column think are important because we think people
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: need to understand this if they're going to fight. Are
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: we paying attention to the activists and the good work
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: of the little parties? Yes we are. We'll be doing
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: more on that and due course and staying silent isn't
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: an option. This thing is rolling in towards us and
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: we all need to fight. And if you're going to fight,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: it's best not to attack the people who are defending
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the fault with you. But let's leave it there. Thanks
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: for joining us. We'll be back on Wednesday for the
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: news and the extra see you then, Bye bye, bye
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: bye