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Sharri | 3 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry, Thanks Andrew and yes, good evening. In
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Speaker 2: breaking news tonight, I can reveal the Liberal Party moderate
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Speaker 2: faction will not dump net zero, and the Liberal moderates
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Speaker 2: are threatening a divorce with the Nationals. Senior moderates tell
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Speaker 2: me keeping net zero is a deal breaker. My full
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Speaker 2: exclusive in a moment. And this division comes as the
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Speaker 2: coalition records its worst result on record, catastrophic for the party.
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Speaker 2: Bronwyn Bishop, Steve Price and Ray Hadley will be here
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Speaker 2: to give their view on what the coalition needs to
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Speaker 2: do to get back in the race. President Trump, Warann's
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Speaker 2: America is ready to go into Nigeria all guns blazing
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Speaker 2: because of the genocide of Christian Nigerians. Yes, the world
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Speaker 2: has chased a fake genocide in Israel while ignoring atrocities
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Speaker 2: in our Africa. More on this hypocrisy shortly, and we'll
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Speaker 2: get the latest on Zorad mum Dani's race to be
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Speaker 2: New York City mayor ahead of Tuesday's final day of voting.
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Speaker 2: It's all coming up, but first tonight I can reveal
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Speaker 2: the fifteen moderates in the parliamentary Liberal Party will not
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Speaker 2: accept dumping net zero. Entirely, and they're even threatening a
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Speaker 2: divorce with the Nationals. Despite media reports this afternoon that
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Speaker 2: the Liberal leadership group is leaning towards dumping net zero,
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Speaker 2: a senior moderate source told me tonight that they would
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Speaker 2: not agree to a position that precludes the words net zero.
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Speaker 2: Asked about how the coalition can fight an election with
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Speaker 2: two different positions between the Nationals and the Liberals, the
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Speaker 2: senior moderate figure said this, two can play at the
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Speaker 2: divorce game. We don't have to be married to the Nats.
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Speaker 2: We're not going to be held to ransom. We have
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Speaker 2: to win city seats. We hold nine of eighty eight
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Speaker 2: urban seats. The view of the Liberal leadership may indeed
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Speaker 2: be leaning towards dropping net zero, but that's not reflected
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Speaker 2: in the party room among moderates, and I can reveal
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Speaker 2: that the majority of the moderate faction would agree to
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Speaker 2: a negotiated position where the net zero aspiration is kept,
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Speaker 2: but the timeline is pushed out beyond twenty fifty. The
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Speaker 2: sticking point here in the Liberal Party is over the
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Speaker 2: technical term net zero. Now, most conservatives in the parliamentary
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party view it as politically poisonous, but the moderates
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Speaker 2: say it's a deal breaker. And from the calls I've
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Speaker 2: made within the Liberal Party today, one thing is clear.
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Speaker 2: Their energy policy position is far from settled, and there's
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Speaker 2: widespread criticism that the process has been as shambles. This is,
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Speaker 2: as you know, causing immense division in the coalition and
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Speaker 2: it's seen its performance plummet in the polls. Now look
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Speaker 2: at the bigger picture here. Never has this country had
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Speaker 2: worse federal leadership. Australians are paying record taxes, cost of
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Speaker 2: living is still soaring, inflation is sticky thanks to high
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Speaker 2: electricity costs, and hatred has been left unchecked. The Albanese
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Speaker 2: government is vulnerable on so many fronts, yet it's not
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Speaker 2: being held to account because the coalition is focusing on
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Speaker 2: itself instead of those opposite. And this division is reflected
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Speaker 2: in the catastrophic Newspole results today, which has the coalition's
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Speaker 2: primary vote at just twenty four percent. This compares to
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Speaker 2: the election result of thirty one point eight percent, and
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Speaker 2: according to Newspoll, voters preferred Peter Dutton to Susan Lee.
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Speaker 2: The reality is she's a leader on borrowed time. She
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Speaker 2: won't still be the opposition leader at the next election
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Speaker 2: due in May twenty twenty eight. Susan Lee is a
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Speaker 2: seat warmer while the Liberals work out their policies in
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Speaker 2: a divisive and messy process that we're watching drag out
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Speaker 2: over too many months. But while voters are abandoning the Coalition,
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Speaker 2: according to today's newspoll results, they aren't turning to Labor,
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Speaker 2: but to One Nation. Pauline Hansen's primary vote is now
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Speaker 2: a record high of fifteen percent, up from just six
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Speaker 2: point four percent at the election. So the Coalition is
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Speaker 2: losing voters to One Nation, and this is a critical point.
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Speaker 2: Labour's support hasn't increased since the election. It's remain stable
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Speaker 2: at thirty six percent, so just over a third of
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Speaker 2: all Australians support Labor. The challenge for the Coalition is
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Speaker 2: to reposition itself as a mainstream party that appeals to
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Speaker 2: both Conservatives who are now leading towards One Nation, and
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Speaker 2: moderates who've been flirting with the Teals. Now you look
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Speaker 2: at how New South Wales Premier Chris Mintz has been
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Speaker 2: able to run a centrist government in his state, the
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Speaker 2: Liberals need to do the same. Return to the middle,
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Speaker 2: to what voters are worried about, and to appeal to Australians.
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Speaker 2: They also need an inspiring leader with conviction, direction and vision,
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Speaker 2: with a clear path forward, and in my view, there
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Speaker 2: may not be such a figure currently in the Australian Parliament,
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Speaker 2: in either the Senate or the lower House. And to
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Speaker 2: make matters worse, we've seen the canber Press gallery swing
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Speaker 2: in behind the Albanesi government, attacking Susan Lee for every
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Speaker 2: step she takes. The media were equally hostile towards former
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Speaker 2: Liberal leaders John Howard, Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison. It's
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Speaker 2: nothing new, but it means that opposition's messages need to
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Speaker 2: be even sharper, even more brutal to cut through. The
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Speaker 2: opposition could have, for instance, run a lethal scare campaign
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Speaker 2: about the government's tax increases at the last campaign, but
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Speaker 2: it didn't. The view was that Darton at the time
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Speaker 2: shouldn't go negative. Instead, we saw the Albanesi government run
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Speaker 2: a scare campaign against the opposition, claiming they dump Medicare.
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Speaker 2: It was a lie. And as I told you last week,
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Speaker 2: despite Albanesi promising you'd only need your Medicare card and
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Speaker 2: not a credit card when you went to the GP,
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Speaker 2: he well, that hasn't turned out to be true, and
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Speaker 2: one in ten Australians can't afford to pay for the
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Speaker 2: medical care they need at all. From this issue to
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Speaker 2: a variety of others, Australia has never been in worse shape.
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Speaker 2: We're paying record levels of tax, there's record government spending
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Speaker 2: and they're racking up record debt levels, but there's no
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Speaker 2: pressure on labor to perform better for Australians and the
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Speaker 2: Prime minister has become cocky or because the coalition is
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Speaker 2: a shambles now. Scott Morrison, as a former Prime minister,
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Speaker 2: applies a historical lens here and he says there's no
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Speaker 2: need to panic. This is the normal, difficult process after
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Speaker 2: a crushing defeat, and he makes the comparison to the
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Speaker 2: Liberal soul searching that took place to Kevin Ride's landslade
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Speaker 2: when in two thousand and seven.
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Speaker 3: But it is important that they do work it out
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Speaker 3: and that they come together. And I think they know that.
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Speaker 3: I remember back between you know, two thousand and seven
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Speaker 3: and twenty and thirteen, we were in opposition, got pretty
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Speaker 3: messy back then too. He will record you were there too, Shari,
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Speaker 3: But you know we worked it out, we came together,
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Speaker 3: we got unified and we ended that government the Labor government.
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Speaker 1: Well, can happen again.
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Speaker 2: And it's a fair point. But in the meantime, alban
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Speaker 2: Easy is getting away with murder. Egregiously. He even blamed
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Speaker 2: the Coalition for high energy prices this morning.
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Speaker 4: What has occurred on power prices as a product in
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Speaker 4: part of the dysfunction and chaos that's been there of
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Speaker 4: the coalition, twenty four out of twenty eight coal five
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Speaker 4: power stations announced their closure. They had no plan to
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Speaker 4: do anything other than fard each other and that's continuing today.
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Speaker 2: Or maybe Albinezi has got a seriously bad case of
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Speaker 2: jet lag. Someone needs to remind him that he's the
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Speaker 2: prime minister and he's been the prime minister for four
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Speaker 2: years now, and he won that twenty twenty two election
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Speaker 2: because he promised electricity bills would come down by two
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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five dollars. It's a bit rich to
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Speaker 2: try to blame the depleted opposition for the soaring energy prices.
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Speaker 2: And then, in an interview with The Australian Today, Alberenezi
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Speaker 2: claimed the entire world was looking for leadership in the
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Speaker 2: area of banning social media for young people and he
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Speaker 2: says he personally was the one to provide this global leadership.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is so cringeworthy, he says, and I quote,
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Speaker 2: I don't see it as my legacy. I see it
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Speaker 2: as Australia's legacy. This is genuinely something as well that
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Speaker 2: has come up from the grassroots, come up from parents
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Speaker 2: who've lost their sons and daughters. It's something that you know,
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Speaker 2: we didn't take to the twenty twenty two election. So
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Speaker 2: alban Ezy does admit that he didn't take the social
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Speaker 2: media ban policy to the twenty twenty two election, but
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Speaker 2: he conveniently forgets that it was Peter Dutton and David
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Speaker 2: Coleman's policy idea that they announced and Labour subsequently adopted
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Speaker 2: under pressure. Now, Alberizy didn't take it to the twenty
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Speaker 2: two election because Dutton came up with the policy idea
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Speaker 2: at this press conference on June the thirteenth, twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 5: The path that we're proposing now, and that is that
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Speaker 5: there is age verification in place, that we don't allow
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Speaker 5: young impressionable minds on to social media without any guardrails.
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Speaker 2: But Albanezy ignores the reality, ignores Dutton's press conference, and
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Speaker 2: he takes full credit for the social media ban, pretending
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Speaker 2: it was all his idea. Now, oh no, it won't
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Speaker 2: be his legacy. It'll be Australia's legacy. And he wants
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Speaker 2: it to be his legacy because the voice didn't work
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Speaker 2: out so well for him. I mean, did these politicians
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Speaker 2: believe their own hyper bolt well without an effective opposition
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Speaker 2: pointing out the lies and the spin, perhaps Australians with
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Speaker 2: short memories will believe Albanezy is a world leading visionary
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Speaker 2: and that's all the Coalition's fault, not Chris Bollin's that
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Speaker 2: we're paying higher electricity bills. All right, I'm Joe now
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Speaker 2: By Sky News' host Steve Price and former Speaker of
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Speaker 2: the House Broman Bishop. Great to see you both. Browin,
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Speaker 2: I want to start with you. Did you ever think
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Speaker 2: you would see a news poll result where the Coalition
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Speaker 2: has south of twenty five percent in primary support.
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Speaker 6: No, I didn't, but I'm not surprised. I'm really not.
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Speaker 6: And really the simple reality of the situation is is
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Speaker 6: that there are two issues that are dominating people's thinking
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Speaker 6: in this country. One is too much immigration, which not
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Speaker 6: only pushes up house prices but it pushes up over
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Speaker 6: crowding in hospitals, for age care, for schools because people
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Speaker 6: who migrate here get old too. So that's one issue,
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Speaker 6: and the second is electricity and power supply and jobs
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Speaker 6: that flow from it and prosperity that flows from it.
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Speaker 1: Now, you cannot.
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Speaker 6: Attack the Labor Party on that policy and still keep
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Speaker 6: net zero. Just can't do it. So I think the
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Speaker 6: National Party came up with an excellent slogan when they
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Speaker 6: came up with better, Cheaper, Fairer, because from that you
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Speaker 6: can run a whole swag of policies where you can
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Speaker 6: attack the government in a fair way. Now, yes, we
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Speaker 6: have been there before. My recollection of history is a
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Speaker 6: little bit different from what we.
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Speaker 2: Just saw back in two thousand.
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Speaker 6: And nine when we fought, and I fought and others
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Speaker 6: fought tooth and nail to get Tony Abbott up as
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Speaker 6: the leader and he got there by one vote against
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Speaker 6: Joe Hockey, and Joe Hockey lost really because he said
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Speaker 6: he was going to go along with Kevin Burk's policy
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Speaker 6: on energy, and from that moment we then galvanized and
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Speaker 6: got behind a strong policy of abolishing carbon taxes. And
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Speaker 6: when of course we nearly won in twenty ten, and
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Speaker 6: we would have won if we hadn't had two retigate
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Speaker 6: nats at that time.
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Speaker 1: So it's a.
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Speaker 6: Matter of having a policy which you galvanize around which
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Speaker 6: people can then unite. It's no good calling for unity
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Speaker 6: if you've got nothing to unite around.
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Speaker 1: So I hear what you.
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Speaker 6: Say about fifteen moderates. Well, they've always been around, and
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Speaker 6: they were still around there in two thousand and nine,
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Speaker 6: but they had to come to heal because we had
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Speaker 6: a policy that went forward and gave us an opportunity
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Speaker 6: to win.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well let's return to that. So I was making
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Speaker 2: calls today Steve Price, you know across the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 2: you know, make the calls all the time of cause,
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Speaker 2: but particularly today after the nationals net zero vote on
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Speaker 2: the weekend, and clearly the most senior moderates are saying,
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Speaker 2: we are not going to accept a policy that does
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Speaker 2: not retain support for the words net zero. They will
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Speaker 2: accept a negotiated settlement, a compromise position where the time
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Speaker 2: frame is pushed out, but they don't want to drop
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Speaker 2: that aspiration. Their view is it'll be suicide in the
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Speaker 2: inner city seats, and that they've already lost to the tials.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about you know, this is where
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Speaker 2: the moderates are sitting.
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Speaker 7: Did you ask those moderates if they can read, because
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Speaker 7: clearly they can't or they don't have a subscription to
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Speaker 7: news poll in the Australian, because if you look at
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Speaker 7: that poll today, you see that the Liberal primary vote
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Speaker 7: has dropped by another four points. It's gone straight to
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Speaker 7: one nation. Now what is one nation talking about? Pauline
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Speaker 7: Hanson was on with Andrew earlier tonight. Pauline Hanson's talking
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Speaker 7: about the two issues. Bromin just brought up immigration number
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Speaker 7: one and climate change number two. And if you ask
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Speaker 7: me what the Liberal policy is on either of those things,
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Speaker 7: I couldn't tell you. Now it's six months today since
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Speaker 7: the election, and it's taken six months for them to
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Speaker 7: suddenly work out they've got to do something about coming
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Speaker 7: up with a decent climate change policy and they're not
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Speaker 7: even talking about immigration. I mean, they are hopeless at
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Speaker 7: the moment. I mean, the parallel between the Camera Liberals
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Speaker 7: and the Victorian Liberals is something that you just can't
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Speaker 7: believe exists. The Liberals in Victoria are steering down the
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Speaker 7: face of an election in November next year and they're
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Speaker 7: going to lose and you're going to have a Labour
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Speaker 7: government that is the worst government ever in Australia to exist.
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Speaker 2: Surely voted back here, there's no way.
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Speaker 7: Surely not, Steve just Cinda Allen wins by a landslide
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Speaker 7: way because even with the crimes, absolutely yes, because the
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Speaker 7: Liberals just are nowhere to be seen and when they speak,
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Speaker 7: no one takes any notice of them. So all of
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Speaker 7: the liberal parties, I mean, South Australia's no better, New
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Speaker 7: South Wales is no better. WA's no better. The whole
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Speaker 7: bunch of them need to get together and work out
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Speaker 7: what they believe in and start arguing it.
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Speaker 2: We need some better liberal politicians entering politics, choosing to
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Speaker 2: enter politics. But you know, Bromwhin, you said back when
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Speaker 2: there was that debate going on after wards, when you
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Speaker 2: know the motorate's just got in line. But that doesn't
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Speaker 2: look like that's going to happen here.
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Speaker 6: Well, the problem is that the most senior moderates aren't
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Speaker 6: in the political in the Parliament and the time is
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Speaker 6: coming when whoever the leader is, it's just got to
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Speaker 6: call people into line and it can be done. I've
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Speaker 6: watched it done before. But while you've got But we
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Speaker 6: don't know Susan Lee precisely close.
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Speaker 2: To some of the moderates. She's in the center right faction.
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Speaker 2: She's close to a lot of the moderates. We don't
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Speaker 2: know what her personal position is.
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Speaker 6: If she no, we don't.
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Speaker 2: If she has one, no, that's what.
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Speaker 6: But she either has to galvanize or to be somebody else.
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Speaker 6: That's the way politics works. But what Steve says about Victoria,
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Speaker 6: it's a disease. It's a dreadful disease that can be
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Speaker 6: caught in political parties where people don't care about having
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Speaker 6: a hunger to win, to give the country better policies
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Speaker 6: and Australian is.
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Speaker 2: A better way of life.
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Speaker 1: All they care.
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Speaker 6: About is what positions they hold. If they're a spokesman
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Speaker 6: for this or a spokesman for that. Cars turn up
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Speaker 6: and they all have a nice life. It's a terrible
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Speaker 6: disease and I never want to see it exported from Victoria.
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Speaker 6: Queensland at least has got to attack together. The Northern
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Speaker 6: Territory's got a splendid leader. They could learn from her
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Speaker 6: a lot.
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Speaker 2: I just want to turn very quickly to one of
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Speaker 2: the really serious issues under the Albanezy government, and this
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Speaker 2: is the aged care crisis. Now we hear these promises
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Speaker 2: over and over again that there'd be ten thousand new
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Speaker 2: age care beds annually, but in fact the figures came
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Speaker 2: out today that only eight hundred and two were made
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Speaker 2: available over the past year. And New South Wales and
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Speaker 2: we had this quite rare thing where the New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Health Minister Ryan Park actually came out in the
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Speaker 2: Australian today and he criticized the federal government for it.
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Speaker 2: Now eight hundred beds compared to their goal of ten thousand,
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Speaker 2: and it's not even close. Steve. You know, there's so
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Speaker 2: many areas where the government is failing people but they're
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Speaker 2: not under any pressure, and this aged care issue is appalling.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's what.
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Speaker 7: Happens when you have a week opposition governments get away
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Speaker 7: with bad policy and then you see what happens in
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Speaker 7: practice exactly what you've just explained there, and of course
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Speaker 7: we've had as of November one, the change to in
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Speaker 7: home care. So this federal government is trying to get
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Speaker 7: everyone to stay out of age care and stay at home.
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Speaker 7: But when you look deeply into that, all that means
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Speaker 7: is that older Australians who were on home care packages
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Speaker 7: before November one are now going to start to pay more.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I've got a ninety one year old mother
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Speaker 7: still living at home. She gets some cleaning done and
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Speaker 7: she gets a bit of gardening done. She's in reasonably
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Speaker 7: good health. She doesn't know what a new package you'll be.
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Speaker 7: I can tell her it'll cost her more, There's no
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Speaker 7: doubt about that. And the Age Care bid Ryan parks
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Speaker 7: absolutely correct. I mean he's doing a decent job, it
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Speaker 7: seems because if you promised ten thousand beds, ninely eight
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Speaker 7: hundred turn up.
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Speaker 1: Guess what.
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Speaker 7: There are people living in hospitals. Older people who need help,
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Speaker 7: need medical care but not to be hospitalized, are living
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Speaker 7: in our hospitals taking up beds. It's just a mess.
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Speaker 7: One knows this area better than anybody, as I do.
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Speaker 6: As I do, I was Age Care Minister and I'm
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Speaker 6: the one that introduced the policy of having in home
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Speaker 6: care where people wanted to have it, and that policy
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Speaker 6: is the right policy to have. But those people who
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Speaker 6: need to be in an institution because of well, it's
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Speaker 6: largely dementia, it's largely very bad strokes that come about
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Speaker 6: that require people to have that care in institutions. The
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Speaker 6: fight between states and the Commonwealth over whether you're in
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Speaker 6: hospital or in an age care based is an old
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Speaker 6: economic one. If they're in a hospital, the state government pays.
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Speaker 6: If they're an age care home, then the federal government pays.
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Speaker 6: And that argument has been going on forever. And some
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Speaker 6: of the treatment I've seen of people who are in
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Speaker 6: need of care in hospital, the hospital wants to throw
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Speaker 6: them out because they want the bed. It's a very
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Speaker 6: difficult and complex area. But you cannot say that we're
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Speaker 6: going to have huge numbers of people come into this
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Speaker 6: country because, as I said, immigrants age two, and you
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Speaker 6: can't say we're not going to increase the services that
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Speaker 6: are available. And the other thing that is happening is
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Speaker 6: is that the Labor Party thinks, oh, well, the older
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Speaker 6: cohort doesn't vote for us, so we're going to punish them.
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Speaker 6: We're going to get more money out of them, and
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Speaker 6: we'll spend the money on the younger ones. And that
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Speaker 6: is that inhumane policy for them to adopt. Now, why
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Speaker 6: there isn't absolutely so, why isn't the Shadow Minister for
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Speaker 6: Health instead of saying we've got to have got to
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Speaker 6: hang on to net zero. Why isn't she out there
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Speaker 6: prosecuting the evils of this policy that is being unchallenged.
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Speaker 6: So it is to me there are so many areas
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Speaker 6: where the opposition has has the opportunity to attack. I mean,
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Speaker 6: just that question of the Little Medica.
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Speaker 2: Code exactly exactly to get there's so.
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Speaker 6: So much and I'm really really angry, beyond beyond my
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Speaker 6: ability to say so.
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Speaker 2: I likely I share your sentiment. I completely do. Just
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Speaker 2: before we go, I really want to get to this
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Speaker 2: topic that I don't believe anyone else has covered, and
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Speaker 2: it's pretty appalling. Now, Judge navy Play is in Sydney
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Speaker 2: this week to receive the city's twenty twenty five Peace Prize,
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Speaker 2: awarded by the pro Palestinian Clover More Now, Judge Narvi
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Speaker 2: Play was the chair of the United Nations Commission into
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Speaker 2: Israel's actions in Gaza, which concluded incorrectly that Israel was
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Speaker 2: committing genocide. Now she's remained highly critical of Israel despite
22:42
Speaker 2: the recent ceasefire and peace plan, and here she is
22:46
Speaker 2: speaking by a video link at a UN press conference
22:48
Speaker 2: last week, that he is really president.
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Speaker 8: Prime minister and former Defense minister have incited the Commission
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Speaker 8: of Genocide is officials have demonstrated a clear and consistent
23:03
Speaker 8: intent to establish permanent military control of Gaza and to
23:10
Speaker 8: change its demographic composition.
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Speaker 2: Now, I don't need to reprosecute the case. Everyone watching
23:16
Speaker 2: knows there was no genocide in Gaza. But Steve, how
23:21
Speaker 2: can Clover Moore award this biased figure the Sydney Peace.
23:28
Speaker 7: Prize because she's Clover Moore and she's been doing it forever,
23:33
Speaker 7: and why would anyone be a prize that she would
23:36
Speaker 7: be supportive of such a person. I mean, we know
23:38
Speaker 7: Clover Wore's views on Israel and Palestine, and to put
23:43
Speaker 7: the word piece and prize together and award it to
23:46
Speaker 7: that judge is a disgrace. And I don't know if
23:49
Speaker 7: she's coming here personally to accept it or not.
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Speaker 2: I believe she is. Yeah, I think she's actually speaking
23:55
Speaker 2: at the Press court tomorrow as well well this week.
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Speaker 7: Well where's the debate about how she got a.
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Speaker 2: Good point very quickly?
24:04
Speaker 6: I one hundred percent agree with Steve, But I'd just
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Speaker 6: like to say one more thing. What has happened is
24:10
Speaker 6: the actions of the federal government has meant that they
24:14
Speaker 6: believe it's acceptable to do these things. Now it's become
24:18
Speaker 6: normalized to be so anti Israel it's okay. Well it's
24:22
Speaker 6: not okay, and it's not okay to give her a
24:26
Speaker 6: gala dinner and to give her a big reception and
24:29
Speaker 6: to give her free reign at the press scrub good question,
24:33
Speaker 6: how did she get of eVisa? There were just too many,
24:38
Speaker 6: too many opportunities that the federal government has refused to
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Speaker 6: take to say this is an unacceptable behavior in this
24:45
Speaker 6: country exactly.
24:46
Speaker 2: And it's not just anti Israel, it's actually spreading lies
24:50
Speaker 2: that is causing serious damage in our country in these
24:53
Speaker 2: terms of the hatred Broman, Bishop Steve Price, thank you
24:56
Speaker 2: so much for being here as always on a Monday.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: As you know, National MPs have voted to abandon the
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Speaker 2: party's commitment to net zero. The move has paved the
25:06
Speaker 2: way for a showdown with the Liberals and joining me
25:08
Speaker 2: our national MP, Michael Mccoimack, Michael, good to see you now.
25:12
Speaker 2: Isn't correct, Harry? Is it correct that the National Position
25:17
Speaker 2: does retain the commitment to the Paris Agreement.
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Speaker 9: Well, we need to reduce our emissions, but we need
25:25
Speaker 9: to do it in a sensible, practical way, and even
25:29
Speaker 9: as Senator Bragg said on Sky earlier today, the Paris
25:34
Speaker 9: Agreement doesn't actually say that you need to have your emissions.
25:38
Speaker 9: It's in the latter half of this century. But we
25:42
Speaker 9: can't de industrialize Australia. We can't keep having this proliferation
25:48
Speaker 9: of wind towers as high as one Barangaroo or almost
25:51
Speaker 9: as tall right across the Yas Valley. We can't have
25:55
Speaker 9: these battery energy storage systems which the local firefighters refusing
26:01
Speaker 9: or declining to put out because they're simply not equipped
26:03
Speaker 9: and not trying to be able to put out. And
26:05
Speaker 9: we can't have these solar factories which are going to
26:07
Speaker 9: be as large as Yas itself, cropping up on the
26:10
Speaker 9: edge of towns in rural and regional Australia.
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Speaker 1: It's a nonsense.
26:13
Speaker 2: So can I just clarify. So you're retaining support for
26:17
Speaker 2: the Paris Agreement, but you're dropping the twenty to fifty timeline.
26:21
Speaker 2: Is that the position or is it dropping any Well,
26:24
Speaker 2: that's a position, but we've got it.
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Speaker 9: But yeah, sure, and that is the position, But we've
26:30
Speaker 9: got to ex position.
26:31
Speaker 2: You're dropping any that zero position, but any that zero,
26:36
Speaker 2: but you are maintaining support for the Paris Agreement to generally, we.
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Speaker 9: Think it's important that we still lower Yeah, I still
26:43
Speaker 9: think it's important that we lower emissions, but we don't
26:45
Speaker 9: do it at the cost of factories. We don't do
26:47
Speaker 9: it at the expense of having the likes of Tommigo
26:51
Speaker 9: shut a still. So I mean that that is eleven
26:54
Speaker 9: percent of New South Wales energy. Now, if you ask
26:57
Speaker 9: Chris Bowen, he'd be quite probably happy with the fact
27:01
Speaker 9: that that comes off his emission's targets. But you can't
27:05
Speaker 9: de industrialize Australia, Sharry.
27:07
Speaker 2: That is just a nonsense.
27:08
Speaker 9: And Labour's way is to have an all renewables approach.
27:13
Speaker 9: Our way is to make sure that we have technology
27:17
Speaker 9: before tax you know, not taxes or in our energy grid.
27:21
Speaker 9: We need to make sure that we've got the right
27:24
Speaker 9: energy mix. But we can't have pensioners being impoverished. We
27:28
Speaker 9: can't have ordinary average every day, you know, mums and
27:32
Speaker 9: dads paying through the knaise every.
27:34
Speaker 2: Time they open their energy bill.
27:37
Speaker 9: At the moment it's eight hundred and six dollars more
27:40
Speaker 9: on their energy bills than it was prior to May
27:43
Speaker 9: twenty twenty two when Labour took office. I hate to
27:46
Speaker 9: say Labor took power because the power and the grid
27:49
Speaker 9: is costing so much more. I mean, where's the two
27:51
Speaker 9: hundred and seventy five dollars power reductions.
27:54
Speaker 1: That they promised.
27:55
Speaker 9: They're nowhere, no insight.
27:56
Speaker 2: I've reported tonight that the Moderates still want to retur
28:00
Speaker 2: pain support for net zero. Is it untenable in your
28:04
Speaker 2: view for the Nationals and the Liberals to have different
28:07
Speaker 2: policy positions taken to a Fergil election.
28:11
Speaker 9: Well, we had a different policy position on the week
28:13
Speaker 9: de regulation in two thousand and eight when the Liberals
28:16
Speaker 9: supported what Labor was doing in that regard. But what
28:20
Speaker 9: I'd like to see the moderate liberals do is stop
28:22
Speaker 9: backgrounding and briefing journalists. I think that quote by one
28:27
Speaker 9: of the moderate liberals today accusing the Nationals of being
28:31
Speaker 9: terrorists in this day and age, when we're really worried
28:34
Speaker 9: about terrorists, I think was a bridge too far. Can't
28:37
Speaker 9: call us parasites either. You know, if you're going to
28:39
Speaker 9: have the courage of your convictions, put your name to
28:42
Speaker 9: those sorts of insults, put your name to it, say
28:47
Speaker 9: it on the record. Don't brief and background journalists anonymously.
28:52
Speaker 9: That's a Coward's way. If you're going to say something
28:54
Speaker 9: like that, you know, put your name to it.
28:57
Speaker 1: I mean, either this.
28:58
Speaker 2: Is just beyond the part but week deregulation, but this
29:02
Speaker 2: is a much more critical issue and energy policy. You
29:05
Speaker 2: can't seriously have a different position between the Nationals and
29:08
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party when you're fling for an election.
29:11
Speaker 9: Well, let's give the Liberals time to work through. Dan
29:14
Speaker 9: Turn I know, is going to present his report to
29:18
Speaker 9: the Liberals, so I'm told that that could be even
29:20
Speaker 9: as soon as this week. So let's let the Liberals
29:23
Speaker 9: determine and decide what they need to do.
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Speaker 1: We've had our.
29:27
Speaker 9: Report from Ross Cadell and Matt Canevan very thorough. We
29:30
Speaker 9: took on board the reporting and the investigations by the
29:34
Speaker 9: Page Research Center through Jared Holland. It was a very
29:37
Speaker 9: considered report and we made our decision. Let's give the
29:41
Speaker 9: Liberals time and the space to do their own report
29:44
Speaker 9: and to see what they.
29:45
Speaker 1: Come up with.
29:46
Speaker 2: All right, Michael McCormack, appreciate your time during this parliament
29:49
Speaker 2: suring week in camera. All right, last week on this show,
29:54
Speaker 2: you would have seen that I spoke about Anthony ALBINIZI
29:56
Speaker 2: wearing a joy Division T shirt when he knew the
29:59
Speaker 2: me of the band name that it referred to a
30:02
Speaker 2: wing in a concentration camp where Jewish women were sexually
30:06
Speaker 2: abused and raped by Nazis. Now Albanez he knew this
30:11
Speaker 2: was the meaning of his T shirt Joy Division because
30:14
Speaker 2: he'd been told on a podcast. I played you the
30:17
Speaker 2: recording last week, and when I brought you those reports,
30:21
Speaker 2: I said that wearing such a T shirt when arriving
30:25
Speaker 2: home from the most important trip of his career to
30:28
Speaker 2: meet the President in the White House, sent a strong
30:31
Speaker 2: message to anti Semites. It seems, unfortunately I was right.
30:38
Speaker 2: Neo Nazi Joel Davis is a self proclaimed fascist who
30:42
Speaker 2: co leads the National Socialist Network. Now I don't even know.
30:47
Speaker 2: I'm still sitting here undecided whether to show you this
30:50
Speaker 2: clip or not because it is so grotesque, or might
30:54
Speaker 2: show you just five seconds of it. He has done
30:57
Speaker 2: a video applauding alban Easy for wearing that Joy Division
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Speaker 2: T shirt.
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Speaker 9: The truth about the Second World War must be exposed.
31:08
Speaker 9: Hail anthy Albanizi.
31:09
Speaker 1: Hail people.
31:13
Speaker 2: It makes me feel sick to play that clip, but
31:15
Speaker 2: I'm doing it to show the support alban Ezi is
31:19
Speaker 2: receiving from anti Semites for wearing that T shirt. It's
31:23
Speaker 2: a disgrace and I told you this is what would happen.
31:27
Speaker 2: Even though Joel Davis is wrong about alban Ezi's motivations
31:31
Speaker 2: for wearing the T shirt, which he speaks about in
31:33
Speaker 2: the Broader clip, this is not the sort of support
31:36
Speaker 2: the Prime minister would want. But that's what happens when
31:40
Speaker 2: you wear a T shirt like that. The clearest sign
31:44
Speaker 2: you're in the wrong Prime Minister is when the neo
31:47
Speaker 2: Nazi endorses your position. And to think it was Susan
31:55
Speaker 2: Lee who came underpression, not alban Ezi. What a disgrace
32:00
Speaker 2: still to come. We'll cross live to the UK, where
32:03
Speaker 2: a man has been charged with ten counts of attempted
32:06
Speaker 2: murder after the mass stabbing on Saturday Night, and show
32:09
Speaker 2: favorite Ray Hardley is here to rip into the net
32:12
Speaker 2: zero debacle and more. He'll be on the desk after
32:15
Speaker 2: the break.
32:20
Speaker 1: Well.
32:20
Speaker 2: A Fresh News poll has dropped in the Australian this evening.
32:24
Speaker 2: It reveals almost two thirds of Australians want fewer immigrants
32:29
Speaker 2: coming into the country, and when broken down by voting preference,
32:32
Speaker 2: almost fifty percent of labor voters also think there should
32:36
Speaker 2: be fewer immigrants. Right. I'm joined now by radio legend
32:40
Speaker 2: Ray Hardley is always in a Monday. Great to see you, Sherry.
32:42
Speaker 10: It comes as no surprise to me that poll, the
32:45
Speaker 10: news poll in the Australian who published online tonight, because
32:49
Speaker 10: everyone I talked to talks about the lack of housing,
32:53
Speaker 10: the lack of infrastructure, and we just keep dragging people
32:57
Speaker 10: into the country. After the war we needed immigrants, and
33:01
Speaker 10: before the war we needed them as well. We needed
33:03
Speaker 10: people here to work and prosper But at the moment
33:09
Speaker 10: we don't need any more people. I mean, we really don't.
33:12
Speaker 10: And the Labor government and mister Albanesi and mister Burker
33:16
Speaker 10: on steroids in relation to bringing people.
33:19
Speaker 1: Here, and I don't know when we're going to stop.
33:20
Speaker 10: They keep saying, oh no, we're going to reduce it
33:22
Speaker 10: and reduce it and reduce it. But we sit here,
33:25
Speaker 10: you know, we've baited breath waiting for it to be reduced.
33:27
Speaker 1: It never seemed to be.
33:28
Speaker 2: Reduced, not in any meaningful way, that's for sure.
33:31
Speaker 10: If half the labor voters and that's what they are,
33:34
Speaker 10: so there's two of the immigrants.
33:36
Speaker 1: Well maybe Anthony Albanesi.
33:38
Speaker 10: If you're not going to listen to me or you
33:39
Speaker 10: or people from the conservative side of politics, maybe he
33:42
Speaker 10: should be listening to his voters.
33:43
Speaker 2: But it's also one of the issues the Coalition should
33:46
Speaker 2: be picking up. I mean they should really pick a
33:48
Speaker 2: few key topics and just round those messages home.
33:53
Speaker 10: I've got an idea about the fifteen moderates who don't
33:57
Speaker 10: agree with the National's position. Form a party called labor
34:01
Speaker 10: Light and go finish, because see how you go at
34:05
Speaker 10: the electorate calling yourself labor Light, because that's what you are.
34:09
Speaker 1: That's what you are.
34:09
Speaker 10: The National showd a ton of curry doing what they
34:12
Speaker 10: did yesterday, and Susan Lee is still vacillating from one
34:17
Speaker 10: position to the other. And immigration would be a great topic.
34:23
Speaker 10: Energy would be another topic. But when you've got them
34:25
Speaker 10: fighting about net zero and she's been there since May
34:29
Speaker 10: and we still we're in the November and we still
34:32
Speaker 10: don't have a position from the All Government about power.
34:36
Speaker 2: There's basically no positions from the Ultimate Government. I mean
34:40
Speaker 2: the only thing they talk about is themselves. They don't
34:43
Speaker 2: talk about other topics.
34:45
Speaker 10: Look, I think Dave Sharma's a pretty smart fella. In fact,
34:48
Speaker 10: I think is a really smart fellow with this nonsense
34:50
Speaker 10: about will separate from the Nationals. Well, if that happens, Dave,
34:54
Speaker 10: you'll be in opposition until twenty one fifty.
34:58
Speaker 2: Did he say that?
34:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was suggestion this.
35:00
Speaker 10: Afternoon that, oh, if this keep going, we'll have to
35:03
Speaker 10: look at, you know, maybe splitting the coalition. I mean, really,
35:08
Speaker 10: I mean, it just seems quite ridiculous that the only
35:11
Speaker 10: hope they have of bidding labor is as a coalition.
35:15
Speaker 1: That's the only hope they have.
35:17
Speaker 2: They barely have that hope even if they are united.
35:20
Speaker 2: But I think there is a clear middle ground. I
35:22
Speaker 2: don't know why they can't work it out, but the
35:23
Speaker 2: clear middle ground is retaining an aspiration to lower emissions,
35:28
Speaker 2: but dumping certainly the legislation which was never agreed to
35:32
Speaker 2: in the position, and then dumping the official target, which
35:35
Speaker 2: isn't going to be met by twenty fifty anyway. I mean,
35:36
Speaker 2: that's not that difficult for me.
35:38
Speaker 10: The only person on the planet that thinks that will
35:40
Speaker 10: be met is Casanova Bowen. He's the only person who
35:44
Speaker 10: thinks that's going to Not even Anthony Albanizi thinks it's
35:46
Speaker 10: going to be met Yeah, and most of his party.
35:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Now, Gray Ray, you were very fired up
35:52
Speaker 2: about this rayhound racing ban in Tasmania.
35:57
Speaker 1: Well i'll tell you why.
35:58
Speaker 10: Nine years ago I thought erociously when Mike ban greyhound
36:02
Speaker 10: racing in New South Wales.
36:04
Speaker 1: Now the reason I fought ferociously.
36:05
Speaker 10: I started my career in the late nineteen seventies early
36:08
Speaker 10: eighties calling the dogs bullye Appenaara and so I have
36:12
Speaker 10: a great affinity. They gave me a start, and I
36:14
Speaker 10: have a great affinity with greyhound racing. So we fought
36:16
Speaker 10: tenaciously for that band to be overturn and it was.
36:20
Speaker 10: They lost the Orange biolect and phild Nato beat the
36:22
Speaker 10: National contenders and it had been a National seat forever
36:26
Speaker 10: and Mike Baird lost his premiership over this insanity of
36:29
Speaker 10: banning greyhound racing.
36:30
Speaker 1: So I'm more concerned about how it happened in Tasmania.
36:33
Speaker 10: So we've got thirty five seats in the lower House,
36:36
Speaker 10: fourteen Liberal, ten Labor, five Green, five Cross Bench, one shooter,
36:41
Speaker 10: so no one can govern after the election. So Jeremy
36:44
Speaker 10: Rockliffe must have done a deal with the Greens. They've
36:46
Speaker 10: been trying to get rid of greyhand racing for fifteen years.
36:49
Speaker 10: All of a sudden he gets the support of the
36:51
Speaker 10: cross benches and the Greens and says I'm banning greyhound racing.
36:54
Speaker 2: Doesn't take it to the election.
36:56
Speaker 10: It's a bad moment and he's going to do it
36:58
Speaker 10: before the next election in twenty twenty. Now i'd say,
37:02
Speaker 10: I mean Tasmania is not really something that we talk
37:06
Speaker 10: about in mainstream media the politics.
37:08
Speaker 1: I mean, wonderful state, fantastic state.
37:11
Speaker 10: But I'm saying to all the people in Tasmania, this
37:13
Speaker 10: is the thin edge of the wedge because once you
37:17
Speaker 10: give these people what they want in relation to greyhound racing,
37:20
Speaker 10: next it will be thoroughbred racing and standardbred racing.
37:23
Speaker 1: Because they want it all gone.
37:24
Speaker 10: They want any sport that involves animals banned.
37:28
Speaker 1: And Jeremy Rockliffe.
37:32
Speaker 10: When you have a conservative leader, I'm not that he's
37:34
Speaker 10: Conservatives probably woke conservative cow telling to the Greens to
37:39
Speaker 10: claim the premiership, you have a monumental problem. If Conservatives
37:44
Speaker 10: start voting with the Greens, we're all gone.
37:48
Speaker 1: And that's what's happened in Tasmania.
37:50
Speaker 10: And Luke Foley, the Labor opposition leader, fought with me
37:55
Speaker 10: side by side.
37:55
Speaker 1: And eventually bad wess and so where's the.
37:59
Speaker 2: Labor Party On the back of an ABC for Connors
38:01
Speaker 2: report why it was introduced in the first place, And.
38:03
Speaker 10: The bottom line is yes, every sport involves people who
38:08
Speaker 10: shouldn't be in the sport, including greyhound racing. New South
38:11
Speaker 10: Wales has done a great job to get rid of
38:13
Speaker 10: those type of people. I'm sure if there's those type
38:14
Speaker 10: of people in TASMANI we can get rid of them
38:16
Speaker 10: as well. But to ban the entire sport, I mean,
38:20
Speaker 10: and it's a working class sport, you know, it's not elite.
38:23
Speaker 10: It's you know, battlers and people from the working class,
38:27
Speaker 10: you know, training greyhounds and loving greyhounds and you know,
38:30
Speaker 10: rehming them as pets and all the rest of it.
38:32
Speaker 10: But at the end of the day, the most serious
38:35
Speaker 10: thing about this is to claim the premiership. Jeremy Rockliffe
38:39
Speaker 10: in Tasmania got in bed with the Greens and he
38:41
Speaker 10: should be absolutely ashamed of himself, absolutely ashamed the new
38:45
Speaker 10: people in Tasmania watching this. You fight tooth and nail
38:49
Speaker 10: and you labor people down there, there are of course
38:52
Speaker 10: ten of you there in the Parliament. Ring Luke Foley,
38:55
Speaker 10: a labor leader in New South Wales who was ferocious
38:58
Speaker 10: in defending the working class people involved in greyhound racing.
39:02
Speaker 10: It's gone in the act, it's gone in New Zealand apparently,
39:06
Speaker 10: and as I say, the thin edge of the wedge,
39:09
Speaker 10: because what they'll do eventually is they'll attack horse racing
39:12
Speaker 10: instead of racing trotting as well.
39:15
Speaker 2: Just finally, very fiery Senate estimates this morning, quite explosive
39:20
Speaker 2: revelations where the OPTIS executives have admitted there was a
39:23
Speaker 2: seventeen hour delay in them actually telling the government about
39:29
Speaker 2: the deaths because of this trip Loo outage. We might
39:32
Speaker 2: just have a look at that. Let's let's play that
39:34
Speaker 2: crowd if we've got it.
39:36
Speaker 5: So you made sure the board knew, but you didn't
39:39
Speaker 5: call the minister or the regulator.
39:41
Speaker 11: It is normal process in an organization such as OPTS
39:46
Speaker 11: to ensure the board is fully informed of the of
39:49
Speaker 11: what I know at the time.
39:51
Speaker 2: Has there been any contact back from the family.
39:53
Speaker 11: Once again, Senator, the privacy of the families as paramount here.
39:58
Speaker 10: Mis.
40:00
Speaker 2: But there is a direct question as to whether.
40:04
Speaker 11: I've reached out to the family soon.
40:06
Speaker 2: No, No, that's not my question, mister please do not
40:08
Speaker 2: duck and weave. Yeah, very little accountability here.
40:13
Speaker 10: Ray, Well, I think there'll be some accountability. Mister Rue,
40:16
Speaker 10: who of course led the NBN prior to being appointed
40:19
Speaker 10: back in November last year to this position. Well, this
40:23
Speaker 10: is a bit of a poison chalice really because the
40:25
Speaker 10: predecessor went west as well. But they've said quite clearly
40:30
Speaker 10: today that people will be moved on in the process.
40:34
Speaker 10: I questioned gladys Bury Jicklian, who has this chitular position
40:38
Speaker 10: inside of this after being the Premier of New South.
40:40
Speaker 1: Wales, what does exactly she do? What does she do?
40:44
Speaker 10: I mean, it's all well and good to give a
40:46
Speaker 10: premier a high paid and powerful position inside of optics,
40:50
Speaker 10: but she was there through the other one and she's
40:52
Speaker 10: there now.
40:52
Speaker 1: I just wonder what she does there.
40:54
Speaker 10: I mean, whether she just meets people occasionally and talks
40:56
Speaker 10: about business.
40:57
Speaker 1: I've got no idea. But Rue will stay. He's got
41:00
Speaker 1: the support of the board. That's often the bad thing
41:03
Speaker 1: to have the support of the board. But he will stay.
41:05
Speaker 1: But I'm sure some of the under things will be
41:07
Speaker 1: sent back out.
41:08
Speaker 2: I mean, just off for the whole thing. There were
41:09
Speaker 2: these outages and it caused desk because people could get
41:13
Speaker 2: in touch with Triple O. The most basic requirement were
41:15
Speaker 2: out of time as always came here. I've got to
41:18
Speaker 2: congratulate you and your new grandchild.
41:21
Speaker 1: Oh Indy, little Indy.
41:23
Speaker 2: Yes about a photograph?
41:25
Speaker 10: Well got about it well number eight, Little Indy. My
41:30
Speaker 10: youngest daughter, Sarah and her husband Jack. Last Tuesday, in fact,
41:33
Speaker 10: the little India arrived and.
41:35
Speaker 1: They honored me.
41:37
Speaker 10: Her name is, her middle name is Ray. And so
41:39
Speaker 10: when I rate back to my daughter and said, oh,
41:41
Speaker 10: that's lovely Ra, she said, no, Dad, it's Ray like
41:44
Speaker 10: you were. So she was all the ladies want to
41:47
Speaker 10: know she was. I don't know how long she was,
41:49
Speaker 10: but she was about three point four kg's And the
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Speaker 10: people up at the same hospital or Runga, the midwives
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Speaker 10: and all the people I met subsequently fantastic. Sarah is
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Speaker 10: at home now with the little Tommy for three and
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Speaker 10: a half year old, and we've had a tough year
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Speaker 10: as a family because of little Lola, who's still having
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Speaker 10: treatment of course for lakemia. But everyone in the family
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Speaker 10: was absolutely overjoyed of the birth of little India.
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Speaker 2: Were huge congratulations see you, darlis.
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Speaker 1: It's very quind A bit to do that. I appreciate
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Speaker 1: it all right.
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Speaker 2: Still to come, the latest poll results show the race
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Speaker 2: tightening between Ma'm Danny and Cromo. And across to the UK,
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Speaker 2: where a man has been charged with a Saturday night stabbing.
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Speaker 12: It's next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back and let's cross to the UK now, where
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Speaker 2: I'm joined by a Spiked online editor, Tom Slater. Tom,
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Speaker 2: great to see you as always. Now this is just terrible.
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Speaker 2: A thirty two year old man has now been charged
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Speaker 2: with ten counts of attempted murder after the mass stabbing
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Speaker 2: on the London bound train on Saturday evening. Can you
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Speaker 2: tell us how the eleven who've been hospitalized are doing it?
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Speaker 2: And what we know about the man who has now
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Speaker 2: been charged.
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Speaker 12: Well, what we know about the man who who has
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Speaker 12: now been charged is his name is Anthony Williams, is
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Speaker 12: a thirty two year old from Peterborough and the questions
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Speaker 12: around his motives are the things that are most unclear.
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Speaker 1: The counter terrorism.
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Speaker 12: Police were brought in as soon as news of this
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Speaker 12: horrific mass stabbing had taken place. It seems like at
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Speaker 12: the moment the police are pretty confidently saying that it
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Speaker 12: didn't appear to be terrorism related. What details we have
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Speaker 12: from eyewitnesses is that he seemed particularly crazed, that he
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Speaker 12: was moving almost possessed style down the carriage, and that
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Speaker 12: one person who he brushed past heard him say, I'm
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Speaker 12: not going to let the devil win. So there's all
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Speaker 12: these kind of questions around what the motivation is, what
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Speaker 12: his mental state has been, some reporting that he might
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Speaker 12: have been known to the authorities as being mentally unstable,
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Speaker 12: so questions will be asked about whether or not this
43:44
Speaker 12: could have been nipped in the bud sooner. There are
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Speaker 12: still a number of people in hospital, a couple of
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Speaker 12: them in critical but stable condition, including a member of
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Speaker 12: the train line staff who actually intervened to stop the
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Speaker 12: knife man from attacking more people and who was landed
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Speaker 12: in the hospital very seriously injured as a consequence. So
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Speaker 12: still we a lot we don't know, but it seems
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Speaker 12: like in the coming days more details will tumble out
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Speaker 12: about how this.
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Speaker 2: Was ever allowed to happen, and the train driver. He's
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Speaker 2: been hailed as a hero.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely for having the foresight to pull the train into
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Speaker 12: Huntingdon at the time that he did, and also turns
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Speaker 12: out he was a war veteran and so on, so
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Speaker 12: as is always the case in these situations, stories of
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Speaker 12: the most horrific nihilism and violence, but also stories of
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Speaker 12: the tremendous courage that people find in those situations to
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Speaker 12: try and minimize the harm done to innocentce Finland.
44:35
Speaker 2: Now let's turn to the whole Andrew saga headline. Riders
44:38
Speaker 2: had a lot of fun with the man formerly known
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Speaker 2: as Prince. He is now also set to be stripped
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Speaker 2: of his last honorary military title. Is this necessary? This
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Speaker 2: is a final humiliation? But it seems like there is
44:53
Speaker 2: still more to emerge about Andrew's involvement in this entire
44:58
Speaker 2: Epstein case.
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Speaker 12: No absolutely, I mean the Epstein files that the US
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Speaker 12: government are sitting on will no doubt produce more and
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Speaker 12: more headlines week by week. There's also increasing questions in
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Speaker 12: the UK about what he got up to when he
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Speaker 12: was fulfilling this kind of honorary trade envoid position. And
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Speaker 12: I think that's something which will continue to be a
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Speaker 12: kind of a source of scandal, shall we say, as
45:20
Speaker 12: we continue with this story and the latest movie. He's
45:23
Speaker 12: been stripped of his honorary military titles. There's also talk
45:25
Speaker 12: of stripping him of his actual war medals. That he
45:28
Speaker 12: received due to his service in the Falklands. It's one
45:31
Speaker 12: of those things where, at this point in a scandal,
45:34
Speaker 12: almost like nothing will see him enough, and there will
45:36
Speaker 12: constantly be calls to strip him of this right, strip
45:38
Speaker 12: him of that, should he be put up at Sandringham,
45:41
Speaker 12: But thet Charles's expense, all these questions will continue to
45:44
Speaker 12: stumble out. But I think what right now. I think
45:47
Speaker 12: what we need to kind of bear in mind is that, yes,
45:49
Speaker 12: he behaved very disreptibly. We should notice the fact that
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Speaker 12: he was never actually formally charged or probably investigated for
45:56
Speaker 12: any of these crimes. And even though he is Prince
45:58
Speaker 12: Andrew does deserve due process. But I think this story
46:01
Speaker 12: has just gone and run because of how much material
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Speaker 12: that's going.
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Speaker 1: To be out there. See.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it would be good to know exactly what
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Speaker 2: he has done wrong and have it go through a
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Speaker 2: proper court process. But the world we're in now, all right,
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Speaker 2: Tom Slater, thank you so much for your time and
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Speaker 2: up after the break, New Yorkers are heading to the polls.
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Speaker 2: Could they be about to elect this far left socialist
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Speaker 2: as mayor? It's after the break? Welcome back, Johnny me
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Speaker 2: Now is Sky News contributor Koshergata Kosher. The New York
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Speaker 2: City mayor race. Final day of voting is on Tuesday.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell us about the final polls? Is
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Speaker 2: the race tightening?
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Speaker 13: Great to be the shari It is tightening, However, it
46:48
Speaker 13: is not tit. That's how I would put it. So
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Speaker 13: you know, he's been ahead mam Dani twenty plus points
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Speaker 13: throughout this reaze after his somewhat surprised victory in the
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Speaker 13: Democrat primaries, and in recent weeks, Cuomo, the former Democrat
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Speaker 13: running as an independent, has surged in the polls. Momentum
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Speaker 13: is with him, but it is still around ten to
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Speaker 13: fifteen points of a gap favoring Mumdanni. The tightest pole
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Speaker 13: that I saw by Adlas Intel was about seven points,
47:14
Speaker 13: So the best case scenario for Puomo, he's still trailing
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Speaker 13: by about seven points. Anything is possible, but it really
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Speaker 13: looks like this is in the bag for Mamdanni. I
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Speaker 13: hate to say it. I've said it too before as
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Speaker 13: a longtime New Yorker. It's pretty unimaginable, most iconic city
47:29
Speaker 13: in the world, that here's where we are. But as
47:31
Speaker 13: they say, you get the government you deserve, and this
47:34
Speaker 13: is who they have chosen, and now they're going to
47:36
Speaker 13: have to live with the consequences.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, the polls were completely wrong when it
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Speaker 2: came to Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, the same with
47:44
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. So they could be utterly wrong.
47:48
Speaker 2: It is hard to imagine such I don't even know
47:51
Speaker 2: what words to you, such a divisive, controversial, anti American
47:56
Speaker 2: figure being mayor of New York City.
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Speaker 13: Yes, I mean, you know, Trump was a unique figure
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Speaker 13: where there was this thing called the shy Trump vote
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Speaker 13: that just because of the way the media portrayed him,
48:10
Speaker 13: it was almost anathematic in polite society to ever admit
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Speaker 13: that you publicly are going to support Trump, and so
48:16
Speaker 13: there are a lot of people who would never admit
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Speaker 13: it in the cocktail party circuit, but then quietly behind
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Speaker 13: the curtain and the voting booth, they pulled a lever
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Speaker 13: for him.
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Speaker 1: Mamdani.
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Speaker 13: It's a different case because the media has been fawning
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Speaker 13: over him. That's one of many reasons why he's catapulted
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Speaker 13: up to the level that he has. And so I
48:31
Speaker 13: don't know how much of a shy vote you would
48:33
Speaker 13: see that dynamic there you are seeing turnout coming at
48:37
Speaker 13: historic levels. So a lot of the moderates and independents
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Speaker 13: and older voters who do not like him are turning
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Speaker 13: out and higher numbers, and they typically do as sort
48:44
Speaker 13: of a protest and pushback against him. But it just
48:46
Speaker 13: unfortunately might be too little, too late.
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Speaker 2: I want to also turn to this extraordinary story today
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Speaker 2: and good on President Trump. He has ordered the Department
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Speaker 2: of War to prepare for possible MILI reaction in Nigeria.
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Speaker 2: He's made some comments also a social media post about
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Speaker 2: the Islamist terrorists who are killing up to who have
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Speaker 2: killed up to a hundred and one hundred thousand Christian Nigerians.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the world hasn't cared about the Nigerians at all.
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Speaker 2: Koisha were good on Trump for caring.
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Speaker 1: So true.
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Speaker 13: This is a long running issue since about nineteen seventy,
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Speaker 13: since the Civil War, Christians have been pretty systematically persecuted
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Speaker 13: over there in that region. It's gotten worse since the
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Speaker 13: two thousands with bokaharam and Sharia law and all of
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Speaker 13: that getting stronger in that region. And you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 13: Mostly the world doesn't really care about these regions, whether
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Speaker 13: it's the Christians in Nigeria a little bit we heard
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Speaker 13: about Armenia, another case with the Azerbaijan and that conflict
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Speaker 13: over there, Coptic Christians in Egypt. These groups you know
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Speaker 13: here and there come up in the discourse, but there's
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Speaker 13: never been a systematic policy to go in there and
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Speaker 13: actually defend Christians. And I will say that many people
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Speaker 13: in Trump's base, as Christians overall in the US and
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Speaker 13: other countries in the Western sphere, have long been saying
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Speaker 13: that that if we are willing to intervene in the
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Speaker 13: world and defend other nations, or defend democracy or what
50:11
Speaker 13: have you, why not actually defend Christians as Christian nations.
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Speaker 2: So let's see what happens exactly, Kosher, thank you so
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Speaker 2: much for your time. So we've got time for tonight.
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Speaker 2: Here's for Mary