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- 0:11Speaker 1: This is a story we covered yesterday, and then around
- 0:15Speaker 1: the time our show aired, the whole thing got weirder
- 0:19Speaker 1: between the Supreme Court lifting a stay, and then as
- 0:21Speaker 1: of 7-27, last night, I think local time, Tennessee finally
- 0:26Speaker 1: strapped Krista Pike to a gurney at Riverbend Prison in Nashville.
- 0:32Speaker 1: Then by 8-53, officials cut the microphone, walked the witnesses
- 0:37Speaker 1: out of the rooms, Krista was still alive, snoring and breathing.
- 0:42Speaker 1: I remember seeing it pop across social media. I go,
- 0:45Speaker 1: there is no way. There's no way they're botching this thing.
- 0:49Speaker 1: In between, they pumped two doses of the lethal injection
- 0:53Speaker 1: drugs into her body. Tennessee tried to execute her, and
- 0:56Speaker 1: they couldn't. They couldn't execute her. 31 years after she
- 1:01Speaker 1: tortured 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer for the better part of an
- 1:05Speaker 1: hour and crushed her skull with a chunk of asphalt,
- 1:08Speaker 1: Krista was taken to a hospital for treatment, something her
- 1:11Speaker 1: victim never had the opportunity to receive. It was an
- 1:15Speaker 1: almost unbelievable ending to an even more unbelievable day. AND
- 1:22Speaker 1: LOOK AT WHAT IT TOOK TO GET THERE. YESTERDAY MORNING,
- 1:24Speaker 1: A DIVIDED FEDERAL APPEALS PANEL STOPPED THE EXECUTION AN HOUR
- 1:27Speaker 1: BEFORE IT WAS SCHEDULED. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ON THE SHOW.
- 1:30Speaker 1: BY EVENING, THE SUPREME COURT REVERSED THE STAY, SIX TO THREE.
- 1:33Speaker 1: SOTO MAYOR, OF COURSE, DESCENDED, WRITING THAT TENNESSEE'S DESIRE TO
- 1:37Speaker 1: SPEED THINGS UP BY A FEW DAYS OR EVEN WEEKS
- 1:40Speaker 1: COULDN'T OUTWEIGH PIKE'S FUNDAMENTAL INTEREST IN HER OWN LIFE. SPEED
- 1:43Speaker 1: THINGS UP? IT WAS 31 YEARS. THEN THE TIME FOR
- 1:49Speaker 1: JUSTICE ARRIVED. Pike's last words, believe this, I'm going to
- 1:54Speaker 1: leave this world the way I spent most of my life,
- 1:57Speaker 1: and that is in love. Apparently, love includes the brutal
- 2:04Speaker 1: murder of a 19-year-old girl and the attempted strangling of
- 2:07Speaker 1: another inmate six years later.
- 2:08Speaker 2: Whew.
- 2:11Speaker 1: Now, here's one of the media witnesses. This is what
- 2:16Speaker 1: they had to say when they were there with the executions.
- 2:18Speaker 3: I will say I've witnessed, I believe, five executions in Tennessee.
- 2:23Speaker 3: Nothing about today was normal, typical at all. And the
- 2:27Speaker 3: court delay was just the tip of the iceberg. The
- 2:30Speaker 3: curtains closed at first at 7.46, and she was clearly
- 2:35Speaker 3: still alive. She was clearly still breathing and snoring.
- 2:39Speaker 1: Now, officials never announced a time of death because, well,
- 2:41Speaker 1: there wasn't one. An ambulance left the prison with its
- 2:44Speaker 1: lights on. Her lawyers say she's in the hospital, and
- 2:47Speaker 1: as of this morning, Nobody really knew what condition she
- 2:50Speaker 1: was in other than the fact that she was alive. Now,
- 2:54Speaker 1: somebody else who was there, another journalist, said there was
- 2:57Speaker 1: no reason for her to even have to have two doses.
- 3:00Speaker 1: Something went wrong.
- 3:01Speaker 2: Look.
- 3:02Speaker 4: This is an enormous dose of a sedative. That should
- 3:06Speaker 4: not ever need to happen twice, but it did. And
- 3:10Speaker 4: then she stayed alive. I think one of the issues
- 3:13Speaker 4: we have here is.
- 3:16Speaker 4: The protocol doesn't talk about what happens if you do
- 3:18Speaker 4: this twice and they're still alive.
- 3:20Speaker 1: So what went wrong? Well, there's several possibilities, and none
- 3:23Speaker 1: of them are good for the state of Tennessee. First,
- 3:25Speaker 1: the vein, an arm that feels like it's bursting, is
- 3:28Speaker 1: a sign of an IV that missed with the drug
- 3:31Speaker 1: going directly into the tissue instead of the bloodstream. By
- 3:35Speaker 1: accident or on purpose, I don't know. Her lawyers warned
- 3:39Speaker 1: for months that she has small veins. It's possible. Second,
- 3:42Speaker 1: the drug. The defense says phenobarbital was degraded In 2022,
- 3:47Speaker 1: Tennessee had to pause every execution after admitting it hadn't
- 3:51Speaker 1: properly tested its drugs. Third, the people. Now, in May,
- 3:57Speaker 1: this same department gave up on executing Tony Carruthers after
- 4:02Speaker 1: more than an hour of failing to place an IV.
- 4:05Speaker 1: That makes two failed executions in five months in that state.
- 4:08Speaker 1: The Department of Corrections response was that it followed every
- 4:11Speaker 1: step of the state's lawful established execution protocol. AND THAT
- 4:15Speaker 1: THE PROTOCOL DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL PROCEDURES. FOLLOWED EVERY STEP,
- 4:19Speaker 1: BUT SHE'S STILL ALIVE. AND THERE'S A FOURTH POSSIBILITY THAT
- 4:24Speaker 1: A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RAISING THIS MORNING AND CONSIDERING
- 4:26Speaker 1: YESTERDAY'S LAST-MINUTE STAY, SUBSEQUENT REVERSAL, AND THE RECENT TENDENCY TO
- 4:30Speaker 1: EXCUSE WOMEN WHO COMMIT MURDER, THIS LAST ONE MAKES A
- 4:33Speaker 1: LOT OF SENSE. SOME PEOPLE THINK THIS WAS BOTCHED ON PURPOSE.
- 4:38Speaker 1: THAT SOMEWHERE INSIDE THAT BUILDING, SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN
- 4:41Speaker 1: THE DEATH PENALTY MADE SURE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I'M NOT
- 4:44Speaker 1: GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO
- 4:46Speaker 1: SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING
- 4:48Speaker 1: ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
- 5:08Speaker 1: Anything is possible in today's age. Now, I can't tell
- 5:12Speaker 1: you what happened. Nobody's produced any evidence that anything funny
- 5:17Speaker 1: happened other than the lethal injection didn't work. But the
- 5:22Speaker 1: state's own explanation that everything was done by the book
- 5:26Speaker 1: and she lived anyway? Well, look, that's the reason people
- 5:30Speaker 1: are asking. Now, for now, Governor Lee has halted executions
- 5:35Speaker 1: for the rest of the year, ordered an outside review.
- 5:39Speaker 1: But I'll say this. Every person who handled that IV
- 5:43Speaker 1: line and those drugs, they probably should be questioned about
- 5:46Speaker 1: what they did under oath. And if it was incompetence,
- 5:48Speaker 1: fire them. If it was anything else. Prosecute him. Now,
- 5:52Speaker 1: in light of this botched execution, the pro-abortion penalty abolitionists
- 5:59Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call them, they're already arguing
- 6:01Speaker 1: that the death penalty is inhumane and should be ended.
- 6:04Speaker 1: And while last night suggests Tennessee can't run an execution effectively,
- 6:08Speaker 1: it says nothing about whether Krista Pike earned it or not.
- 6:13Speaker 1: If anyone earned an execution, it's her. The family belongs
- 6:17Speaker 1: to the state and the justice still belongs to Colleen
- 6:19Speaker 1: and her family. And to be fair, the problem isn't
- 6:21Speaker 1: limited to Tennessee, but there is a fix for all
- 6:24Speaker 1: of this. Sitting right there, Tennessee law gave Christina Pike
- 6:28Speaker 1: the option of electric chair because of her crime and
- 6:30Speaker 1: it predated 99. She didn't take it. She asked for
- 6:33Speaker 1: a firing squad, which Tennessee doesn't allow. You just need
- 6:36Speaker 1: to simply expand options for executions that have been more
- 6:40Speaker 1: reliable and in some instances foolproof for generations. Colleen's mother
- 6:46Speaker 1: said she can't stop thinking about her daughter, feeling that pain,
- 6:50Speaker 1: and trying to get up and run. She waited 31
- 6:53Speaker 1: years for justice. Last night, all she got was a
- 6:56Speaker 1: closed curtain, and Krista got something Colleen never had, a
- 7:02Speaker 1: chance to survive. Joining me now is retired FBI supervisory
- 7:06Speaker 1: special agent Chris Hinkle. Chris, welcome to David Pollack Prime Time.
- 7:10Speaker 1: Thank you. I don't know what else to say. I
- 7:14Speaker 1: couldn't believe when I heard it. What's your take on
- 7:16Speaker 1: what happened yesterday in Tennessee?
- 7:19Speaker 6: Well, it is horrific what happened. I don't know if
- 7:22Speaker 6: it's incompetence or what. So you spoke a little bit
- 7:25Speaker 6: about the investigation. So three things. They need to stabilize
- 7:30Speaker 6: her and document her injuries. They need to take a
- 7:33Speaker 6: look to see if her veins were a problem. Freeze
- 7:37Speaker 6: the drug lot with the execution logs. Do not set
- 7:41Speaker 6: another date until an outside reviewer says whether this was infiltration,
- 7:46Speaker 6: a bad batch, or both. And until the protocol is
- 7:49Speaker 6: fixed in writing, the victim's family has waited 30 years.
- 7:52Speaker 6: They're owed competence, not another spectacle. What really troubles me
- 7:58Speaker 6: are the number of people out there trying to advocate
- 8:00Speaker 6: on the behalf of this murderer. In my 25 years
- 8:04Speaker 6: as a federal law enforcement officer, I've seen evil.
- 8:07Speaker 7: I've seen it face to face. This woman is evil.
- 8:11Speaker 6: And I'm not a huge proponent of the death penalty,
- 8:14Speaker 6: but I do believe for the sake of the protection
- 8:17Speaker 6: of society, there are some people that are so evil
- 8:20Speaker 6: that they need to be permanently removed because every day
- 8:24Speaker 6: that they breathe, there's an opportunity that they may be
- 8:27Speaker 6: getting on the outside. I just wish more people knew
- 8:30Speaker 6: the circumstances of the murder and how horrific it was.
- 8:35Speaker 7: It wasn't just that they killed her.
- 8:37Speaker 6: It's that they lured her out into a wooded area
- 8:41Speaker 6: They began beating her. They chased her down. And then
- 8:45Speaker 6: this Pike lady, Krista Pike, beat her in the head
- 8:50Speaker 6: and then took a piece of her skull as a souvenir,
- 8:54Speaker 6: which she showed to other people. It is pure evil.
- 8:57Speaker 6: Quit showing the pictures of Krista Pike when she was
- 9:00Speaker 6: 19 years old. Show the pictures of her now and
- 9:04Speaker 6: give the facts of what happened that night to demonstrate
- 9:07Speaker 6: why this person needs to be removed from society permanently.
- 9:12Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of the most horrific stories. When I
- 9:14Speaker 1: first hit my social media feed, I was like, oh,
- 9:16Speaker 1: this is weird. 30 years. Oh, maybe she you know,
- 9:19Speaker 1: is this it's a woman 200. And then I saw
- 9:21Speaker 1: the facts. And I said immediately, if there's never been
- 9:24Speaker 1: a better case for the death penalty. It's this case.
- 9:26Speaker 1: And then after the stay was lifted and then the botches,
- 9:29Speaker 1: this just reads something that really couldn't be more perfectly
- 9:32Speaker 1: in a time that is so dysfunctional as 2026 with
- 9:35Speaker 1: respect to the Clancy situation and all these women out
- 9:37Speaker 1: there cheering for murderers seemingly and forgetting who the victims
- 9:41Speaker 1: really are. Do you think it's possible that they botched
- 9:45Speaker 1: this on purpose? Has that happened before?
- 9:47Speaker 6: I don't know, but it should be investigated as if
- 9:50Speaker 6: it was done deliberately. You want the most egregious, detailed,
- 9:54Speaker 6: forceful investigation that's out there. Every person involved in this,
- 9:59Speaker 6: from the beginning to the end should be interviewed. Everything
- 10:02Speaker 6: that they say documented, every piece of evidence documented. This is,
- 10:08Speaker 6: you know, David, you know me, I am a strict
- 10:11Speaker 6: textualist on the Constitution and I believe in due process.
- 10:15Speaker 6: And I would say that Krista Pike's due process has
- 10:17Speaker 6: run its course. Now it's time for the due process
- 10:21Speaker 6: of the victim to be met.
- 10:23Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris, I agree with you. This is yet another
- 10:27Speaker 1: example of something that will surely turn into another spectacle.
- 10:32Speaker 1: And like you said, that's justice denied for a family
- 10:34Speaker 1: that's been waiting way too long for it. Chris, thank
- 10:37Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Thanks for your service
- 10:38Speaker 1: as well in the FBI, and I look forward to
- 10:40Speaker 1: having you on again real soon. Thank you, David. Still
- 10:44Speaker 1: ahead tonight, Kevin Newsom, his last stand, doubles down on
- 10:47Speaker 1: his radical agenda, giving abortion green lights across the board.
- 10:52Speaker 1: Nurses can perform abortions past the first trimester with no
- 10:55Speaker 1: doctor in the room. Anybody can sue ICE now. Attorney
- 11:00Speaker 1: General candidate Michael Gates, the Republican nominee, joining me to
- 11:03Speaker 1: go through all of this nonsense. Plus, seven Cornell students
- 11:07Speaker 1: called rapists by the governor of New York, but none
- 11:10Speaker 1: of them have been charged yet. A very interesting case.
- 11:12Speaker 1: And a co-pilot stabs his captain, nosedives a plane full
- 11:15Speaker 1: of Israelis, passengers save the day. We have all of
- 11:19Speaker 1: that coming up. Don't go anywhere.
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- 12:03Speaker 1: Well, Gavin Newsom has had about three months left as governor,
- 12:08Speaker 1: and on his way out the door, he's showing everyone
- 12:12Speaker 1: just how radical he is. Just take a look at
- 12:18Speaker 1: his most recent legislation, a law letting a nurse perform
- 12:21Speaker 1: an abortion past the first trimester with no doctor in
- 12:24Speaker 1: the room, a law letting people sue the federal agents
- 12:27Speaker 1: who arrest illegal aliens, and a law making you sit
- 12:30Speaker 1: through a four-hour class before you can buy a gun.
- 12:33Speaker 1: And on top of all that, he vetoed a bill
- 12:35Speaker 1: for the cops and firefighters. And in just a few weeks,
- 12:38Speaker 1: Californians have a choice to continue that legacy or move
- 12:42Speaker 1: in a better direction. Let's take a closer look at
- 12:45Speaker 1: some of Gavin Newsom's parting gifts to California, starting with abortion.
- 12:50Speaker 1: Assembly Bill 1973 deletes the first trimester limit on who
- 12:54Speaker 1: can perform surgical abortions in California until this week. Nurse practitioners,
- 12:59Speaker 1: nurse midwives, and physician's assistants could do them only in
- 13:03Speaker 1: the first 12 weeks. Well, now they can do them
- 13:07Speaker 1: in the second trimester and beyond. Midwives performing abortions beyond
- 13:14Speaker 1: the second trimester. Late, late-term abortion. WITH NO PHYSICIAN PRESENT.
- 13:20Speaker 1: SO MUCH FOR THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER, RIGHT? NOW,
- 13:25Speaker 1: ASSEMBLY BILL 2540 GOES FURTHER AND ORDERS COMMUNITY COLLEGES TO
- 13:29Speaker 1: HAND OUT ABORTION PILLS BY 2029. AND ANOTHER NEW LAW
- 13:33Speaker 1: PAYS ABORTION CLINICS WITH STATE GRANTS TO SERVE VETERANS. THIS
- 13:37Speaker 1: IS THE SAME GAVIN NEWSOM, BY THE WAY. WHO SHUT
- 13:41Speaker 1: DOWN CALIFORNIA'S DEATH CHAMBER IN 2019, HALTED THE EXECUTION OF
- 13:44Speaker 1: EVERY ONE OF THE MORE THAN 700 CONDEMNED MURDERERS ON
- 13:47Speaker 1: DEATH ROW. IN CALIFORNIA, THE STATE WILL PREDICT A CONVICTED
- 13:52Speaker 1: KILLER FROM A NEEDLE AND SEND A NURSE PRACTITIONER INTO
- 13:55Speaker 1: A ROOM TO END A PREGNANCY IN THE SIX MONTHS
- 13:58Speaker 1: WITHOUT ANY SUPERVISION. THEN THERE'S THE NO KINGS ACT. SENATOR
- 14:03Speaker 1: SCOTT WEINER'S BILL LETS ANYONE IN CALIFORNIA SUE A Wiener's words,
- 14:11Speaker 1: ICE and Border Patrol have terrorized California communities with impunity.
- 14:15Speaker 1: That ends today. After Newsom's signature, three people have filed
- 14:22Speaker 1: suit against ICE officers. Alongside it, a law ordering state
- 14:26Speaker 1: prosecutors to investigate any shooting by a federal agent and
- 14:30Speaker 1: a bill of rights for people in immigration detention. Do
- 14:35Speaker 1: they not care about the communities that illegal aliens are terrorizing? Nah.
- 14:40Speaker 1: Let's protect the illegal aliens. A federal officer doing his
- 14:44Speaker 1: job in California now gets a state investigator and a lawsuit.
- 14:48Speaker 1: The criminal alien he arrested gets a bill of rights.
- 14:53Speaker 1: And you may think any of this ends when Newsom leaves.
- 14:56Speaker 1: Listen to the man Democrats picked to replace him last
- 14:59Speaker 1: night on CNN. Xavier Becerra said this to Steve Hilton.
- 15:04Speaker 9: Look.
- 15:04Speaker 10: Steve, you're running for governor of California, and you'll enforce
- 15:08Speaker 10: Trump's laws at the federal level, but you won't enforce
- 15:10Speaker 10: state laws at our level. California welcomed you into California,
- 15:16Speaker 10: and you welcomed ICE mercenaries into our state in return.
- 15:20Speaker 10: How do you square that?
- 15:22Speaker 1: Mercenaries, that's the Democratic nominee for governor describing federal law
- 15:26Speaker 1: enforcement agents. Hilton's answer? We've got to make sure that
- 15:30Speaker 1: people who are in this country illegally, who have committed
- 15:33Speaker 1: dangerous crimes, should be removed. Yeah, duh. One of those
- 15:38Speaker 1: men wants to deport dangerous criminals. The other wants to
- 15:42Speaker 1: police the police. Let them sue him. Monday, it was guns.
- 15:47Speaker 1: Ten bills in a single day, including a mandatory four-hour
- 15:50Speaker 1: class before you can buy a firearm in a state
- 15:52Speaker 1: where the criminals buy theirs out of a trunk. And
- 15:55Speaker 1: the veto pen, he found it for the police and firefighters.
- 15:58Speaker 1: Lawmakers sent him a bill boosting retirement benefits for the
- 16:01Speaker 1: first responders. Vetoed. Wildfire survivors in Los Angeles asked for
- 16:05Speaker 1: two bills forcing insurance companies to be transparent about their claims. Vetoed.
- 16:09Speaker 1: Both of them, the governor who found money for veterans' abortions,
- 16:13Speaker 1: couldn't find a way to help a cop retire or
- 16:15Speaker 1: a fire victim read his own insurance policy. You know
- 16:18Speaker 1: what this week was? It was a campaign announcement. Gavin
- 16:22Speaker 1: Newsom is leaving Sacramento with his eye on the White House,
- 16:25Speaker 1: and every one of these signatures was written for a
- 16:28Speaker 1: Democratic primary voter in 2028 because that's their platform. Take
- 16:33Speaker 1: away your guns. Legalize your abortions. They don't care about
- 16:36Speaker 1: a family in Fresno. They don't care about the bill.
- 16:40Speaker 1: He had eight years to fix California. They don't care
- 16:43Speaker 1: about any of that. He spent last week making sure
- 16:46Speaker 1: California stays broken, and his party just nominated the man
- 16:50Speaker 1: who promises to continue that mess. Michael Gates is running
- 16:54Speaker 1: alongside Steve Hilton as the Republican nominee for California Attorney General,
- 16:58Speaker 1: and he's the former Huntington Beach City Attorney Michael. Welcome
- 17:02Speaker 1: back to Dave Pollack Prime Time. Look, Gavin Newsom is
- 17:05Speaker 1: showing California exactly what they can expect here. if they
- 17:10Speaker 1: go and continue Democrat rule of this state? Considering all
- 17:15Speaker 1: of this insanity, there's never been a better case not
- 17:18Speaker 1: to vote Democrat, right?
- 17:20Speaker 7: Absolutely.
- 17:21Speaker 11: The stuff that's coming out of Sacramento is absolutely shocking.
- 17:24Speaker 11: Although California has seen it now for a long time,
- 17:28Speaker 11: many years, we are basically lawless in California. They are
- 17:33Speaker 11: codifying by passing legislation what behavior or conduct that we
- 17:38Speaker 11: used to believe was criminal or abusive to children or
- 17:43Speaker 11: abusive to animals or abusive or whatever. Literally, they are
- 17:47Speaker 11: legislating criminal activity and making it okay and shielding. I mean, look,
- 17:51Speaker 11: a lot of people don't even know exactly what all
- 17:53Speaker 11: these bills mean, but I'll just give you one quick example.
- 17:55Speaker 11: The Stop Nick Shirley Act. That is a blatant violation
- 17:58Speaker 11: of our First Amendment rights. That's an attack, that's a
- 18:00Speaker 11: legislative attack by Sacramento on our First Amendment rights. And
- 18:03Speaker 11: our Attorney General Rob Bonta is nowhere to be found
- 18:06Speaker 11: on that. He never piped up and said, hey, this
- 18:08Speaker 11: is a violation of the First Amendment. This is a
- 18:10Speaker 11: violation of free speech.
- 18:11Speaker 7: Nothing.
- 18:12Speaker 11: He stayed silent, let the legislature do its dirty work.
- 18:14Speaker 11: Newsom signed it into law. And now we literally have
- 18:16Speaker 11: a law on the books in the state of California
- 18:18Speaker 11: that violates the First Amendment. So there's a long list,
- 18:21Speaker 11: a long line of bills that are now becoming laws
- 18:25Speaker 11: that violate our constitutional rights. They deprive parents of their
- 18:28Speaker 11: rights over their children. And the list goes on and
- 18:31Speaker 11: on and on. So we are basically lawless in California,
- 18:34Speaker 11: and they're codifying the lawlessness by passing these laws. And
- 18:37Speaker 11: that's why it's so important to have a new attorney
- 18:39Speaker 11: general and new leadership in Sacramento.
- 18:41Speaker 1: Yeah, and to stop Nick Shirley Act is the craziest
- 18:44Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. I mean, literally, we don't want
- 18:46Speaker 1: people reporting on our fraud. So let's just go ahead
- 18:48Speaker 1: and criminalize that behavior. And like you said, decriminalize crime.
- 18:53Speaker 1: It's the craziest thing. But worse than that, on his
- 18:56Speaker 1: way out the door, just in case, Gavin Newsom is
- 18:59Speaker 1: signing some of the most radical legislation of any state.
- 19:02Speaker 1: We used to look over to Massachusetts at their abortion
- 19:04Speaker 1: laws and the fact that you can have an abortion
- 19:06Speaker 1: up until birth and a nurse can do it, no doubt.
- 19:08Speaker 1: And then Gavin Newsom said, yeah, I agree. That sounds great.
- 19:11Speaker 1: And then he's, of course, sending abortion pills to college campuses.
- 19:14Speaker 1: And then just the other day, BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT SAID
- 19:17Speaker 1: WE'RE CALLING IT SUPER INTELLIGENCE. HE GOES AND SIGNS AN
- 19:20Speaker 1: EXECUTIVE ORDER SAYING NO, WE'RE CALLING IT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. THAT'S
- 19:23Speaker 1: HOW ANTAGONISTIC AND UNSERIOUS HE IS, RIGHT?
- 19:26Speaker 2: RIGHT.
- 19:26Speaker 1: ABSOLUTELY.
- 19:28Speaker 11: LIKE I SAID, ALL OF THESE PIECES OF LEGISLATION, THEY'RE
- 19:30Speaker 11: NOT SERIOUS BUSINESS. solutions for problems, they're literally pretend solutions
- 19:38Speaker 11: looking for problems in the first place.
- 19:41Speaker 7: These are not necessary.
- 19:42Speaker 11: There are flurries and flurries of bills that are passed
- 19:45Speaker 11: by our legislature every year now that we have had
- 19:48Speaker 11: the one-party rule. of them are nonsensical. A lot of
- 19:52Speaker 11: them are unconstitutional. And again, a lot of them are
- 19:55Speaker 11: they pretend they hold them out as solutions to problems
- 19:58Speaker 11: that don't exist. And so this is the kind of
- 20:01Speaker 11: thing that you get out of the one party rule.
- 20:03Speaker 11: And look, for me, I'm out on the campaign trail
- 20:05Speaker 11: all the time. And I talk to Democrats, independents, or
- 20:08Speaker 11: no party preference registered voters and Republicans alike. And according
- 20:12Speaker 11: to the polls and according to what I'm hearing out
- 20:14Speaker 11: on the campaign trail, 65 percent of people who are
- 20:18Speaker 11: responding to these polls think that California is headed in
- 20:21Speaker 11: the wrong direction. Well, it's not simply because we have
- 20:23Speaker 11: high gas prices, although that's true. Now we're paying seven
- 20:25Speaker 11: dollars per gallon of gas. But it's also because the
- 20:28Speaker 11: leadership in Sacramento is so incredibly tone deaf, so incredibly
- 20:32Speaker 11: tone deaf and incredibly, I think, politically ambitious that they're
- 20:37Speaker 11: completely out of touch with everyday Californians. And that's why
- 20:40Speaker 11: everyday Californians are looking and their Democrats, independents and Republicans
- 20:43Speaker 11: alike looking at Sacramento thinking, where are we headed and
- 20:46Speaker 11: where how did we.
- 20:47Speaker 7: Even get here?
- 20:48Speaker 11: I mean, this is ridiculous that. They are so completely
- 20:51Speaker 11: out of touch and so completely lawless. So that's why
- 20:54Speaker 11: I think I'm getting so much support on the campaign trail.
- 20:57Speaker 7: We have got a lot of support.
- 20:58Speaker 11: The polls are looking good. I really believe very, very
- 21:01Speaker 11: strongly that we're going to have a victory here on
- 21:03Speaker 11: Election Day because people want to return California to a
- 21:06Speaker 11: law and order state. And when I'm the attorney general,
- 21:09Speaker 11: I'm going to be reporting to the governor and the
- 21:11Speaker 11: legislature on things that they can and cannot do under
- 21:13Speaker 11: the Constitution. under the California Constitution and the U.S.
- 21:17Speaker 1: Constitution.
- 21:18Speaker 11: And a lot of these bills that they're passing are unconstitutional.
- 21:21Speaker 11: And so I have that chance. I will be able
- 21:23Speaker 11: to rein them in and call them out as the
- 21:26Speaker 11: adult in the room, calling balls and strikes on what
- 21:28Speaker 11: is constitutional and what's not constitutional. A lot of what
- 21:31Speaker 11: we're seeing right now is not constitutional.
- 21:33Speaker 12: Yeah.
- 21:33Speaker 1: And look, at the end of the day, and I
- 21:35Speaker 1: love the way you say it, it's one party rule.
- 21:37Speaker 1: And look, you might be running on a ticket with Hilton,
- 21:39Speaker 1: but it's a separate election. You're a separate election from Hilton.
- 21:42Speaker 1: And here's the important part for California voters is the
- 21:45Speaker 1: fact that they know what they're already getting with their
- 21:48Speaker 1: current attorney general.
- 21:50Speaker 6: Right.
- 21:50Speaker 1: I mean, Gavin Newsom's leaving. So you have a choice
- 21:52Speaker 1: between Hilton or Becerra. OK, go make a decision based
- 21:54Speaker 1: on which campaign you think is going to represent your
- 21:57Speaker 1: interests more. But obviously, we have a pretty good instinct
- 22:00Speaker 1: of how it will go if you I DON'T THINK
- 22:02Speaker 1: THAT'S A GOOD JOB. I THINK IT'S A GOOD JOB
- 22:08Speaker 1: TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS ALREADY SHOWN YOU THEIR
- 22:11Speaker 1: INABILITY TO REPRESENT THE VOTERS OF THIS STATE AT THAT
- 22:14Speaker 1: IMPORTANT LEVEL. THAT IS THE ONE SEAT THAT VOTERS.
- 22:22Speaker 11: He does not deserve a second term of four years.
- 22:26Speaker 11: California is the second most dangerous state in the country.
- 22:29Speaker 7: One more time.
- 22:30Speaker 11: California is the second most dangerous state in the country
- 22:33Speaker 11: according to the 2026 Consumer Affairs Report study. that just
- 22:37Speaker 11: came out a few weeks ago, second most dangerous. That's
- 22:40Speaker 11: Rob Bonta, he's the top law enforcement officer ultimately responsible
- 22:43Speaker 11: for public safety. Look at the corruption, the waste fraud
- 22:46Speaker 11: and abuse, $ 425 billion in waste fraud and abuse over
- 22:48Speaker 11: the past five years, the same exact amount of time
- 22:50Speaker 11: that Rob Bonta has been in office. And a state
- 22:52Speaker 11: auditor came out with a report a few weeks ago,
- 22:54Speaker 11: a few months ago, excuse me, that said that state
- 22:57Speaker 11: leadership knew about the waste fraud and abuse for years
- 22:59Speaker 11: and Rob Bonta chose to do nothing about it. So
- 23:02Speaker 11: we appreciate Nick Shirley's service, exposing all this to the public.
- 23:05Speaker 11: But actually, state leadership, including Rob Bonta, knew about the waste,
- 23:08Speaker 11: fraud and abuse for years and chose to do nothing
- 23:10Speaker 11: about it. He has announced no investigations. He has announced
- 23:14Speaker 11: no prosecutions. He literally has run cover for corruption on
- 23:18Speaker 11: the waste, fraud and abuse for years and has not
- 23:21Speaker 11: done his job on that front. And then just look
- 23:23Speaker 11: at election integrity. You know, who is responsible for investigating
- 23:26Speaker 11: on election integrity? When I'm attorney general, I'm going to
- 23:28Speaker 11: investigate every election integrity issue in the state of California.
- 23:31Speaker 11: Look what Rob Bonta has done. He has shut down
- 23:33Speaker 11: the investigation that Sheriff Bianco started a few months ago,
- 23:37Speaker 11: trying to stop investigations into election integrity.
- 23:40Speaker 7: So this is why I say we.
- 23:42Speaker 11: Are lawless in California at the hands of Rob Bonta.
- 23:43Speaker 1: He is lawless.
- 23:44Speaker 11: He is stopping needed investigations. He is not investigating where
- 23:48Speaker 11: he should into the corruption. And he's not prosecuting our
- 23:51Speaker 11: criminal justice, our criminal state crime laws, criminal laws against
- 23:55Speaker 11: criminals and holding them accountable. He is literally not doing
- 23:58Speaker 11: the job he is tasked to do under the California
- 24:01Speaker 11: Constitution and the job that he was put there to do. Well,
- 24:03Speaker 11: in this case by Newsom when he was appointed, but
- 24:06Speaker 11: ultimately by the people who elect our attorney general. So
- 24:09Speaker 11: when I'm attorney general, I'm going to fight for the folks.
- 24:11Speaker 11: I'm going to fight criminal laws. I'm going to fight
- 24:12Speaker 11: the corruption. I'm going to hold people accountable and put
- 24:14Speaker 11: them to jail. And I'm actually going to investigate all
- 24:17Speaker 11: the election integrity issues. So we're going to return California
- 24:19Speaker 11: to a law and order state. I promise you, I
- 24:21Speaker 11: absolutely guarantee it on day one.
- 24:23Speaker 1: It's a no-brainer for anybody in this state. They need
- 24:26Speaker 1: to vote for you.
- 24:28Speaker 3: Mr.
- 24:28Speaker 1: Gates, thank you so much for everything you've done. You're
- 24:31Speaker 1: almost at the finish line. Keep it up. And I
- 24:34Speaker 1: think everybody should get out and vote for you and
- 24:35Speaker 1: drag their neighbors as well. We need a better direction
- 24:37Speaker 1: in this state. Thank you for being here, my friend.
- 24:39Speaker 7: Thank you. Thank you.
- 24:39Speaker 4: Yep.
- 24:40Speaker 1: Coming up, seven young men at Cornell have been expelled, sued,
- 24:47Speaker 1: and called rapists by Kathy Hochul. The prosecutor says there
- 24:51Speaker 1: was no crime. Journalist Angie Wong joins me with all
- 24:56Speaker 1: the details of this story. That's coming up next.
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- 25:42Speaker 1: HAVE YOU BEEN FOLLOWING THE SEXUAL ASSAULT CASE OUT OF CORNELL?
- 25:45Speaker 1: SEVEN YOUNG MEN AT CORNELL HAVE BEEN EITHER EXPELLED OR SUSPENDED,
- 25:49Speaker 1: SUED FOR DAMAGES, TOLD BY THEIR OWN STUDENT NEWSPAPER, WE
- 25:53Speaker 1: KNOW WHO YOU ARE. THEY'RE CONDEMNED BY THE GOVERNOR OF
- 25:57Speaker 1: NEW YORK AND CALLED RAPIST BY A TELEVISION STAR WHO
- 26:00Speaker 1: TOLD POLICE TO ARREST THEM. HERE'S THE THING. NOT ONE
- 26:04Speaker 1: OF THEM HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME AS OF YET.
- 26:12Speaker 1: Says he knows why. Let's start with the allegation. Now
- 26:15Speaker 1: it's an ugly one. A former Cornell student says that
- 26:19Speaker 1: on October 19th, 2024, seven members of the Chi Phi
- 26:24Speaker 1: fraternity drugged her with ketamine, marijuana, and alcohol and raped
- 26:29Speaker 1: her over several hours. Her lawsuit says one of them
- 26:33Speaker 1: posted it in the fraternity's Snapchat group that a woman
- 26:37Speaker 1: was available for sex and more men came into the room. Now,
- 26:43Speaker 1: if that's what happened, every single one of them belongs
- 26:48Speaker 1: in prison or worse. But here's the record. In 2024,
- 26:54Speaker 1: the Tompkins County District Attorney, Matthew Van Houten, investigated. He
- 26:59Speaker 1: read her detailed written statement and he closed the case anyway.
- 27:05Speaker 1: If this was all true, why would he do that? Now,
- 27:08Speaker 1: this week, he said if what was on social media
- 27:11Speaker 1: about this case was true, he said those fraternity members
- 27:14Speaker 1: would be in prison right now. He said she clearly
- 27:18Speaker 1: consented in the beginning and there was never any indication
- 27:22Speaker 1: that she changed that. Under New York law, he explained
- 27:27Speaker 1: getting drunk or high on your own doesn't make you
- 27:29Speaker 1: legally unable to consent. According to The Daily Wire's account
- 27:34Speaker 1: of her own 2024 statement to police, she texted one
- 27:37Speaker 1: of the men to arrange the meeting, agreed to a
- 27:40Speaker 1: threesome because she was, quote, attracted and curious. She took
- 27:45Speaker 1: the ketamine voluntarily and never claimed she was drugged or assaulted. Now,
- 27:50Speaker 1: two days after that night, she reportedly texted that none
- 27:54Speaker 1: of the sexual stuff was illegal. Now, three weeks later,
- 27:59Speaker 1: she told campus police that she was 100 percent confident
- 28:02Speaker 1: She'd been raped. She also reportedly told investigators she felt
- 28:06Speaker 1: like bait. Cornell ran its own investigation. Some of the
- 28:10Speaker 1: men were expelled, some suspended, and the fraternity was kicked
- 28:15Speaker 1: off campus, shut down. Then nothing for two years. And
- 28:21Speaker 1: on September 14th, 2026, a lawsuit was filed. Four days later,
- 28:25Speaker 1: the student paper broke the story. A week after that,
- 28:28Speaker 1: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez stood at a town hall and talked about a, quote,
- 28:33Speaker 1: culture of rape at elite universities. The next day, the
- 28:37Speaker 1: district attorney who found no crime reopened the case. The
- 28:40Speaker 1: day after that, Letitia James announced a review. The day
- 28:43Speaker 1: after that, Kathy Hochul called the allegations, quote, nothing short
- 28:46Speaker 1: of horrifying and ordered Cornell to submit to an outside investigation.
- 28:51Speaker 1: Celebrities piled on and the black squares flooded Instagram again.
- 28:56Speaker 1: What's odd here is that nothing new in the evidence
- 29:00Speaker 1: has been reported between 24 and last week until a
- 29:03Speaker 1: lawsuit out of nowhere, a newspaper report, a congresswoman and
- 29:07Speaker 1: a governor five weeks before the midterm elections. And now
- 29:11Speaker 1: a prosecutor who said on the record that there wasn't
- 29:13Speaker 1: a crime before is taking it to a grand jury anyway. Now,
- 29:17Speaker 1: I don't know what happened in that house that night.
- 29:21Speaker 1: And as I said before, if those allegations are true,
- 29:25Speaker 1: justice should be swift and brutal. But the thing is,
- 29:30Speaker 1: no one knows what happened that night. Kathy Hochul doesn't know.
- 29:33Speaker 1: AOC doesn't know. No one knows except for the people
- 29:37Speaker 1: who were there. That's a thing. can even recall what happened,
- 29:41Speaker 1: considering the drugs and alcohol that were involved. But that's
- 29:45Speaker 1: what a criminal investigation is for. And one was done here.
- 29:50Speaker 1: And no one was charged. Now, if a grand jury
- 29:53Speaker 1: finds a crime, charge them. Let a jury decide. Now,
- 29:56Speaker 1: if it doesn't, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT'S DAMAGE
- 30:07Speaker 1: THAT YOU REALLY DON'T RECOVER FROM. AND IF POLITICS ARE INVOLVED, WELL,
- 30:11Speaker 1: THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS A WHOLE LOT WORSE. JOINING ME
- 30:15Speaker 1: NOW IS JOURNALIST AND MIAMI-DADE COUNTY COMMITTEE WOMAN, ANGIE WONG. ANGIE,
- 30:19Speaker 1: WELCOME BACK TO DAVE POLITIC PRIMETIME. YOU'VE BEEN POSTING ABOUT
- 30:22Speaker 1: THIS STORY, FOLLOWING IT VERY CLOSELY, AND YOUR SPIDY SENSES
- 30:24Speaker 1: ARE GOING UP ABOUT IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
- 30:26Speaker 1: THIS CASE?
- 30:28Speaker 7: Yeah, I've been posting a lot.
- 30:29Speaker 12: And at first, I really kind of withheld because with
- 30:32Speaker 12: any of these cases early on, you don't really know
- 30:34Speaker 12: what's going on. And I didn't want to be another
- 30:36Speaker 12: judge and jury on social media trying to play like
- 30:40Speaker 12: I'm some prosecuting attorney with all the facts. Clearly, we
- 30:44Speaker 12: don't know what the facts are. But things are coming out.
- 30:46Speaker 12: The merits of the case are coming out very slowly.
- 30:49Speaker 12: And more and more text messages are coming out. And
- 30:52Speaker 12: it doesn't seem as though this case, as you say,
- 30:55Speaker 12: really made any movements between 2024 when this incident happened
- 31:01Speaker 12: until now. The only thing that's different is that this
- 31:04Speaker 12: is a brand new political landscape and we're about 30
- 31:07Speaker 12: days out from a midterm election. So, you know, I
- 31:11Speaker 12: think about that and I think about those who are involved.
- 31:14Speaker 12: As you said, none of the men have been criminally charged,
- 31:18Speaker 12: but they have been publicly charged by social media. And
- 31:21Speaker 12: this is destroying people's lives. I hate this when people's
- 31:24Speaker 12: lives are destroyed because based on social media allegations, I mean,
- 31:29Speaker 12: it's extremely dangerous. And as you say, any publication that
- 31:32Speaker 12: is touching the story and not printing the facts, even
- 31:36Speaker 12: social media stars saying the word rapist, I have a
- 31:40Speaker 12: really hard time with that because nobody knows. But meanwhile,
- 31:45Speaker 12: all of this feels like a movie that we've all
- 31:47Speaker 12: seen before, right? We're on a college campus. This is
- 31:50Speaker 12: an issue dealing with college-age voters. You have the social
- 31:54Speaker 12: media amplified. It's almost like a manufactured movement that's happening.
- 32:01Speaker 12: You have all these bad cops and MeToo movements. And
- 32:05Speaker 12: now you have all the celebrity pylons, including, you know,
- 32:09Speaker 12: Kathy Hochul, AOC, Chuck Schumer, Letitia James.
- 32:13Speaker 1: They all want a piece of this.
- 32:14Speaker 12: Because right now, They're not getting any media air because
- 32:19Speaker 12: Congress is shut down. We have a media blackout at
- 32:22Speaker 12: the White House. You don't have a press secretary. And
- 32:26Speaker 12: the left needs to get out their movement in order
- 32:28Speaker 12: to mobilize their vote. And what do they know how
- 32:30Speaker 12: to do really well? They love that lynch mob, right?
- 32:33Speaker 12: We've seen it in 2020.
- 32:34Speaker 1: We saw it in 2024.
- 32:36Speaker 12: I think this is the brewings of it. But then again,
- 32:39Speaker 12: you can call me a conspiracy theorist, but it just
- 32:41Speaker 12: smells like all the elements of what the left loves
- 32:45Speaker 12: to do, which is to rage voters, especially they poke
- 32:49Speaker 12: their kind of victim voters to come out and vote.
- 32:53Speaker 12: And this could be the issue they use for 2026.
- 32:54Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It is really interesting, sort of the
- 32:58Speaker 1: timing of this. I, too, was staying away from this
- 33:00Speaker 1: story just because the story is awful. I mean, if
- 33:03Speaker 1: what this woman says happened to her happened to her.
- 33:08Speaker 1: I can't even begin to tell you as a parent
- 33:10Speaker 1: what I would hope to happen to the people that
- 33:13Speaker 1: were responsible for doing this. But I'm also a lawyer.
- 33:16Speaker 1: And when you don't when somebody is not charged and
- 33:19Speaker 1: if facts like this are raised and they can't charge
- 33:24Speaker 1: somebody criminally because the evidence isn't strong enough and there's
- 33:27Speaker 1: issues about whether or not there was consent. You know,
- 33:29Speaker 1: it makes a very difficult situation to where the consent began,
- 33:33Speaker 1: when it ended, and if the prosecutor didn't feel like
- 33:35Speaker 1: they had enough evidence to move forward. You know, that's
- 33:37Speaker 1: a problem when you start calling people rapists. Now, the
- 33:39Speaker 1: university has their own standards of conduct. They expelled some kids,
- 33:42Speaker 1: suspended others. Gauging this type of activity on campus, the drugs,
- 33:46Speaker 1: the alcohol, that in and of itself is enough to
- 33:48Speaker 1: expel or suspend somebody, which is arguably why this attorney
- 33:52Speaker 1: was probably kicked off campus. But needless to say— It's
- 33:55Speaker 1: a terrible story, but there's also an important lesson, and that's,
- 34:00Speaker 1: you know, maybe instead of villainizing people that may or
- 34:04Speaker 1: may not be responsible, instead of attacking a victim who
- 34:07Speaker 1: may or may not have consented, perhaps we should take
- 34:11Speaker 1: a look at this culture as a whole and look
- 34:13Speaker 1: at college campuses and maybe do a little bit more
- 34:16Speaker 1: of what Charlie Kirk used to do. Maybe talk about
- 34:19Speaker 1: God a little bit more. Maybe have people take responsibility
- 34:22Speaker 1: for their bodies and their actions. I mean, maybe it's
- 34:25Speaker 1: okay that instead of like they're doing in California, sending
- 34:28Speaker 1: morning after pills to universities, maybe we put some effort
- 34:31Speaker 1: into avoiding some of this dangerous behavior to kids who
- 34:35Speaker 1: are still figuring out life. I mean, that's the bigger
- 34:37Speaker 1: story here, I think, is the fact that we have
- 34:39Speaker 1: this culture where Kids are finding themselves in some really
- 34:42Speaker 1: dangerous situations. And regardless of what happens here, we have
- 34:45Speaker 1: to do something, right?
- 34:48Speaker 12: Yeah, and I've been texting my male friends going, hey, guys,
- 34:50Speaker 12: how do you feel about this? Are you texting girls
- 34:53Speaker 12: less and are you watching what you're saying now over
- 34:55Speaker 12: text messages? Because one of the lessons that we're learning
- 34:58Speaker 12: is that don't put something in writing that you wouldn't
- 35:01Speaker 12: want read out in court or in the New York Post,
- 35:04Speaker 12: which is where I'm getting a lot of my information from.
- 35:07Speaker 12: And also that due process does matter.
- 35:10Speaker 1: Social media, forget that.
- 35:11Speaker 12: You have to have a judge, a court, and a
- 35:14Speaker 12: jury actually convict people this in order to actually say
- 35:18Speaker 12: any of the allegations that are coming out. So, you know,
- 35:21Speaker 12: I think that there's plenty of lessons. I think I
- 35:25Speaker 12: will be telling my son, you got to be very
- 35:26Speaker 12: careful with this stuff because you don't know what it
- 35:29Speaker 12: goes from consent to all of a sudden not consensual.
- 35:33Speaker 12: And maybe there's no line.
- 35:34Speaker 1: And you don't know when a girl or.
- 35:36Speaker 12: Guy changes their mind when something goes from consent to non-consensual.
- 35:41Speaker 12: I don't even know how to explain that, but that
- 35:43Speaker 12: happens a lot. I went to Cornell for a semester.
- 35:47Speaker 12: I could tell you there's nothing to do there. It's
- 35:50Speaker 12: like you're either drinking, having sex, or looking at cows, right?
- 35:54Speaker 12: That's kind of what you do up there. And the
- 35:57Speaker 12: entire social life is based around frat houses. So I
- 36:00Speaker 12: get the culture there, and I get that this woman,
- 36:03Speaker 12: it appears through her text messages, seemed like she was
- 36:06Speaker 12: embarrassed after the incident happened. And maybe that's why all
- 36:09Speaker 12: this is happening. But we do need to explain to
- 36:11Speaker 12: our kids, you know, the difference between consensual and non-consensual.
- 36:15Speaker 12: And don't leave it to the New York lawmakers to
- 36:18Speaker 12: figure out what that looks like.
- 36:19Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's an excellent point you made. Yeah,
- 36:22Speaker 1: and talking to your kids and talking to your sons,
- 36:25Speaker 1: your daughters, talking to your sons about how certain allegations
- 36:28Speaker 1: can ruin your life. Don't put yourself in situations. But
- 36:30Speaker 1: also talking to your daughters, not put themselves in situations
- 36:33Speaker 1: where things can get out of control. And I think
- 36:34Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we'll see what happens
- 36:37Speaker 1: in this case. The facts are horrible, but would be
- 36:39Speaker 1: even worse if allegations were made that were not exactly
- 36:43Speaker 1: fully truthful and people's lives were ruined as a result.
- 36:45Speaker 1: Terrible case altogether. Angie, thank you so much for coming
- 36:48Speaker 1: on the show and talking about it. Thank you, David.
- 36:51Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. Coming up, a co-pilot stabs his
- 36:55Speaker 1: captain and puts a plane full of Israelis into a nosedive.
- 37:00Speaker 1: Three passengers fight their way into the cockpit, take control
- 37:04Speaker 1: of the airplane and save everyone's life. Someone who has
- 37:08Speaker 1: flown for both the Air Force and the airline industry,
- 37:11Speaker 1: Buzz Patterson, joins me to explain all of it. And
- 37:13Speaker 1: then nearly one in four Americans say they've been to
- 37:16Speaker 1: the other side. That means they've died and come back alive.
- 37:20Speaker 1: We have an interesting story about what they saw. Don't
- 37:24Speaker 1: go anywhere.
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- 38:08Speaker 1: Earlier this week, a Boeing 737 carrying 166 Israelis... Dove 17,000
- 38:17Speaker 1: feet in about a minute. The man flying it, well,
- 38:23Speaker 1: he wanted it to keep going. Fly Dubai flight 1073,
- 38:28Speaker 1: Dubai to Tel Aviv. According to Israeli officials, the co-pilot,
- 38:33Speaker 1: an Omani national, pulled a knife in the cockpit, stabbed
- 38:37Speaker 1: the captain over and over. and the head in his hands.
- 38:42Speaker 1: Then he shoved the plane into a nosedive. One passenger
- 38:47Speaker 1: says a crew member shouted, Allahu Akbar, and ran for
- 38:50Speaker 1: the cockpit. The captain, a 39-year-old Indian pilot named Smit Manchachar,
- 38:56Speaker 1: I believe, bleeding from his skull, used the last of
- 38:59Speaker 1: his strength to unlock the cockpit door. That's when three
- 39:03Speaker 1: Israeli passengers went through it They grabbed the controls and
- 39:08Speaker 1: pulled the plane out of the nosedive, not pilots. And
- 39:13Speaker 1: he knew what to do, the guy who did it,
- 39:16Speaker 1: from watching a documentary series about air disasters. Now, another
- 39:23Speaker 1: one of the men tied up the co-pilot with the
- 39:26Speaker 1: headphone cords. They sat on him for 55 minutes until
- 39:29Speaker 1: the plane crashed. landed in Saudi Arabia. Israel is treating
- 39:35Speaker 1: it like terrorism. The UAE is investigating whether it was
- 39:39Speaker 1: Israeli intelligence, according to the Jerusalem Post, believes he acted alone.
- 39:44Speaker 1: See what the investigation eventually shows. But Here's what we know.
- 39:48Speaker 1: A man with a knife tried to turn a plane
- 39:51Speaker 1: into a weapon, and the people on board refused to
- 39:53Speaker 1: let him. They said, life is stronger than everything. Another
- 39:58Speaker 1: one said, we decided to fight. For now, three Israelis
- 40:01Speaker 1: are heroes, and it's only thanks to the grace of
- 40:04Speaker 1: God that those people on that plane survived. And also,
- 40:06Speaker 1: as President Trump highlighted in a true social post, it's
- 40:09Speaker 1: also thanks to an American-built Boeing airplane. Now, for a
- 40:12Speaker 1: closer look at how it would be possible for regular,
- 40:15Speaker 1: everyday folks to save a plane full of people, I'm
- 40:18Speaker 1: honored to welcome back Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson, who flew
- 40:22Speaker 1: for the Air Force for 20 years, carried the nuclear
- 40:24Speaker 1: football for the president, and flew for years as an
- 40:27Speaker 1: airline pilot. Buzz, welcome back to David Pollak Prime Time. Crazy,
- 40:32Speaker 1: crazy story. Everybody wants to know, how can just regular
- 40:36Speaker 1: folks fly and land an airplane, especially with all this
- 40:39Speaker 1: chaos going on?
- 40:41Speaker 2: Well, you know, David, it's a great question. Thanks for
- 40:43Speaker 2: having me on again. It's a great question. And I
- 40:45Speaker 2: think it was a combination of factors that actually saved
- 40:49Speaker 2: this airplane from crashing. The passengers, well, number one, let's
- 40:56Speaker 2: talk about the captain.
- 40:58Speaker 7: The captain, you said there was a knife used. There
- 41:02Speaker 7: may have been.
- 41:03Speaker 2: The actual cockpit crash axe used. I flew 737s my
- 41:08Speaker 2: entire commercial career, and there's a crash axe right behind
- 41:12Speaker 2: the co-pilot. in case we have to bust down the
- 41:17Speaker 2: cockpit door or break open the windows, the cockpit windows,
- 41:22Speaker 2: on occasion of an emergency. But the fact that the
- 41:27Speaker 2: captain was attacked by either a knife or the crash axe,
- 41:33Speaker 2: which is in the cockpit, which, by the way, would
- 41:35Speaker 2: be brutal— if you're a pilot actually flying an airplane,
- 41:41Speaker 2: the fact that the captain was able to keep his
- 41:45Speaker 2: wits and open the cockpit door. So cockpit doors, as
- 41:49Speaker 2: you guys know, these days are impenetrable.
- 41:54Speaker 7: And that's because of 9-11. So when the.
- 41:59Speaker 2: Captain, this guy, had the forethought to actually, open the
- 42:08Speaker 2: cockpit door, which is a switch, because otherwise nobody else
- 42:13Speaker 2: would have gotten in there. So the captain's a hero.
- 42:16Speaker 2: The thing, David, I would say is that the passengers
- 42:20Speaker 2: responded immediately. So the airplane was in a complete dive.
- 42:25Speaker 2: And at one point in time, and I've flown 737s
- 42:27Speaker 2: my entire life. At one point in time, that airplane
- 42:32Speaker 2: almost exceeded 1.0 Mach, which would.
- 42:37Speaker 7: Rip off the wings of any airplane.
- 42:40Speaker 2: That airplane was a Boeing 737 MAX, and I've flown Boeings,
- 42:46Speaker 2: and that's a great airplane.
- 42:48Speaker 9: And that airplane's ability to withstand almost going point— the sound
- 42:58Speaker 9: of speed— in a straight dive and the captain opening
- 43:04Speaker 9: the door and the passengers getting in there and arresting
- 43:09Speaker 9: the sink rate.
- 43:12Speaker 2: And then here's the sealer, David. The fact that there
- 43:17Speaker 2: was a deadheading crew qualified on that airplane who was
- 43:23Speaker 2: gonna fly that airplane on the next leg that was
- 43:26Speaker 2: right there on first class, ready to respond The fact
- 43:30Speaker 2: that they went from a hijacking to passenger intervention to
- 43:35Speaker 2: a deadhead crew saving that airplane in a dive, they
- 43:39Speaker 2: probably had 15 to 20 seconds to save that. They
- 43:43Speaker 2: stabilized the airplane, and then they diverted to a safe
- 43:48Speaker 2: location without a rudder. I mean, this is sensational stuff.
- 43:54Speaker 2: And it was a combination. It's a blessing because as
- 44:00Speaker 2: an airline guy and a 737 guy, I can tell
- 44:03Speaker 2: you that they probably had 10 to 15 seconds to
- 44:08Speaker 2: recover that airplane before they were going to be a
- 44:11Speaker 2: burning hole somewhere. And the fact that they had all
- 44:15Speaker 2: these things aligned, the captain, the passengers, and the deadhead
- 44:19Speaker 2: crew is phenomenal.
- 44:21Speaker 7: It's a miracle.
- 44:23Speaker 1: That is unbelievable the way you describe that series of
- 44:27Speaker 1: events having to occur in order to save this. I mean,
- 44:29Speaker 1: talk about the miracle on the Hudson. This is a
- 44:31Speaker 1: miracle in disguise. I mean, I can't imagine if any
- 44:35Speaker 1: one of those things, even for a split seconds, didn't
- 44:37Speaker 1: go absolutely perfectly. This could have ended so differently. I mean,
- 44:41Speaker 1: this really is a miracle, right? I mean, there's no
- 44:44Speaker 1: other ways it could have occurred.
- 44:45Speaker 7: 100%, David.
- 44:47Speaker 2: And I will tell you that, I mean, literally, the
- 44:50Speaker 2: seconds that those people intervened were so crucial. When an
- 44:56Speaker 2: airplane is crashing at the ground at the speed of
- 45:00Speaker 2: sound going straight down, the fact that the captain intervened,
- 45:06Speaker 2: The passengers intervened, and the deadhead crew intervened and recovered
- 45:12Speaker 2: that airplane.
- 45:13Speaker 7: It's absolutely incredible.
- 45:15Speaker 2: I think it's probably, I would go so far as
- 45:18Speaker 2: saying it's Sully times three or four.
- 45:20Speaker 7: I mean, Sully had one shot.
- 45:25Speaker 2: These guys were crashing, and they saved it.
- 45:28Speaker 7: And you know what?
- 45:30Speaker 2: God bless them and thank God. But I do think
- 45:33Speaker 2: there's a bigger conversation here, David, about how we vet
- 45:40Speaker 2: pilots and air crew members in this country, especially pilots
- 45:45Speaker 2: and air crew members who are coming from other countries
- 45:47Speaker 2: into our nation. And flying in our airspace. And we
- 45:52Speaker 2: don't have any control of that. And I think, you know,
- 45:54Speaker 2: my appeal is to Secretary Sean Duffy and to the
- 46:00Speaker 2: airline community and to TSA and to DHS. to figure
- 46:06Speaker 2: out how we actually control who's operating heavy equipment.
- 46:13Speaker 7: In our airspace. We're doing it on the ground now.
- 46:15Speaker 7: We should be doing it in the airspace, too.
- 46:18Speaker 1: That is an excellent lesson to learn from this. Thank
- 46:21Speaker 1: you for your illustration of what happened. And then thanks
- 46:24Speaker 1: for that great suggestion. It's important that people hear that.
- 46:26Speaker 1: We do have to protect Americans here at home and
- 46:28Speaker 1: everywhere else. They could be flying. What a miracle. I
- 46:31Speaker 1: can't wait for the movie. Thank God these people are alive. Buzz,
- 46:34Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here as always. Look
- 46:36Speaker 1: forward to having you on again real soon.
- 46:37Speaker 7: My friend. Yes, sir. Thanks so much, David. God bless.
- 46:40Speaker 7: Press on, dude.
- 46:41Speaker 1: Thank you. God bless you as well. Coming up, 23%
- 46:46Speaker 1: of Americans say they've had a near-death experience. We're going
- 46:51Speaker 1: to talk about what happens when you die right after this.
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- 47:39Speaker 1: I'm going to try to end the show on something
- 47:41Speaker 1: a little lighter, maybe something fantastical. Nearly one in four
- 47:46Speaker 1: American adults say they've died or come close enough to
- 47:50Speaker 1: seeing what's on the other side and come back. In
- 47:54Speaker 1: a poll of 2,100 Americans conducted this spring by the
- 47:57Speaker 1: research firm Sentiment for the International Association for Near-Death Studies,
- 48:02Speaker 1: 23% said they've had a near-death experience. Another 35% of
- 48:09Speaker 1: those who haven't say they know somebody who has. And
- 48:12Speaker 1: in a country of nearly 300 million adults, that's tens
- 48:16Speaker 1: of millions of people walking around with a story. Most
- 48:18Speaker 1: of people that they haven't probably told people to work
- 48:21Speaker 1: or church or the dinner table. The group defines this
- 48:25Speaker 1: as a vivid, emotionally intense experience of lucidity, perceiving the
- 48:31Speaker 1: material world from a position outside the physical body and
- 48:34Speaker 1: or perceiving and interacting with beings and environments not of
- 48:38Speaker 1: this material world. Wow. Now, the reports have been remarkably
- 48:44Speaker 1: consistent for 50 years. Since a doctor named Raymond Moody
- 48:48Speaker 1: first put the term in a book in 1975, people
- 48:51Speaker 1: described floating above their own bodies. You've heard about this.
- 48:54Speaker 1: Watching the doctors work, a tunnel of light, relatives who
- 48:57Speaker 1: died years earlier waiting, a review of their whole life
- 49:01Speaker 1: in an instant, and almost... UNIVERSALLY, A FEELING OF PEACE
- 49:05Speaker 1: SO STRONG THAT COMING BACK FELT HARD LIKE A LOSS.
- 49:08Speaker 1: SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE BRAIN? SCIENCE DOESN'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
- 49:12Speaker 1: AND THE HONEST RESEARCHERS ADMIT IT. THE COMMON EXPLANATIONS ARE
- 49:16Speaker 1: A BRAIN STARVED OF OXYGEN, A FLOOD OF CHEMICALS AT
- 49:19Speaker 1: THE MOMENT OF DEATH. OR THE MIND CONSTRUCTING A STORY
- 49:21Speaker 1: AFTER THE FACT. But a 2023 study led by Dr.
- 49:25Speaker 1: Sam Parnia at NYU monitored patients during cardiac arrest and
- 49:29Speaker 1: recorded bursts of brain activity, the kind associated with conscious thought,
- 49:34Speaker 1: as much as an hour into CPR in patients who
- 49:36Speaker 1: were clinically dead. Some of those patients later described what
- 49:40Speaker 1: happened in the room. Nobody can explain how a brain
- 49:43Speaker 1: with no blood flow produces organized memories, and nobody can
- 49:46Speaker 1: explain why people from every culture or every religion, no religion,
- 49:50Speaker 1: report it the same way. So is this proof that
- 49:53Speaker 1: the soul survives the body? anyone knows the answer. Well,
- 49:58Speaker 1: if anyone knows the answer to that question, it's my
- 50:00Speaker 1: next guest, Chrissy Newton of The Debrief and host of
- 50:04Speaker 1: Rebelliously Curious podcast. She wrote the piece on this survey. Chrissy,
- 50:08Speaker 1: welcome back to David Pollak Prime Time for what I'm
- 50:10Speaker 1: calling Science and Technology Thursday until I come up with
- 50:13Speaker 1: a better name. Now, you proposed this. You said, hey,
- 50:16Speaker 1: I wrote this article about life after death. I read it.
- 50:18Speaker 1: This is fascinating stuff because you always hear about that
- 50:21Speaker 1: white tunnel and then what happens after. What does it mean?
- 50:24Speaker 1: Where do we go?
- 50:26Speaker 5: I wish I knew what it means. And it's so
- 50:28Speaker 5: funny you said that today as I was getting ready
- 50:30Speaker 5: this morning. I thought about this. I was like, we
- 50:32Speaker 5: do Tech Thursdays, but we talk about such extravagant ideas
- 50:36Speaker 5: and extravagant concepts that it's just way more than tech.
- 50:39Speaker 5: It's really, they're unbelievable things that are happening right now
- 50:42Speaker 5: in science and tech. But or within these categories. But
- 50:46Speaker 5: with that said, yeah, again, I don't know what's happening
- 50:49Speaker 5: after life after death, but it, there's a lot of
- 50:51Speaker 5: information and there's a lot of studies pointing to that
- 50:54Speaker 5: there is something more than just us living and something
- 50:57Speaker 5: happening after we die.
- 50:59Speaker 1: So what, so, so is it the brain still functioning
- 51:02Speaker 1: in a way that doesn't make sense? Is this the
- 51:06Speaker 1: next place, you know, I mean, we talk so much
- 51:08Speaker 1: about UAPs and interdimensional and all the, this just taken
- 51:13Speaker 1: as a whole, it just sets up this wacky world
- 51:15Speaker 1: as what is the human existence? What is the body
- 51:18Speaker 1: and what's waiting for us on the other side? A
- 51:19Speaker 1: lot of people who are deeply religious, they know what's
- 51:22Speaker 1: waiting for them. And a lot of people who may
- 51:23Speaker 1: not hold those beliefs, they think something else. And some
- 51:25Speaker 1: people think nothing at all, but something happens when you die.
- 51:28Speaker 1: And this is proof of it, right?
- 51:30Speaker 5: Well, I'd say it's it's not maybe not proof, but
- 51:33Speaker 5: we're finding evidence of it.
- 51:34Speaker 1: That's for sure.
- 51:35Speaker 5: You know, I don't think we'll really know until we
- 51:37Speaker 5: get there. And I hope it's not anytime soon for
- 51:39Speaker 5: myself or yourself. But I think what we're seeing here
- 51:42Speaker 5: is that potentially of all different religions and cultures, maybe
- 51:46Speaker 5: we all go to a similar place or we have
- 51:48Speaker 5: a similar experience. A lot of people have, after having
- 51:52Speaker 5: a near-death experience or an NED, they have this real
- 51:55Speaker 5: spiritual connection or there's this belief of life after death after,
- 51:59Speaker 5: but it profoundly changes their life currently and the life
- 52:02Speaker 5: that they're living now. And I think that's the most
- 52:03Speaker 5: important aspect of this. We don't know where we go
- 52:06Speaker 5: when we die, but we know the way that we
- 52:07Speaker 5: can control what happens in the world around us today.
- 52:10Speaker 5: And so after having a near-death experience, I think you
- 52:14Speaker 5: start to look at life differently. You look at the
- 52:17Speaker 5: way you interact with people, the way you interact with society.
- 52:20Speaker 5: Some people say that when they have a near death experience,
- 52:23Speaker 5: this screen pops up. And so it shows a show
- 52:28Speaker 5: of their life and it's just pictures and videos. And
- 52:32Speaker 5: they feel sometimes that they're watching it or they're fully
- 52:34Speaker 5: immersed in it. And they also feel the feelings that
- 52:36Speaker 5: those other people felt if they were doing anything bad
- 52:39Speaker 5: to them or positive to them. And so it could
- 52:42Speaker 5: feel like a lifetime watching this, but really it could
- 52:45Speaker 5: be seconds.
- 52:46Speaker 9: Wow.
- 52:47Speaker 1: I mean, that gives, I guess, That's a lot to
- 52:49Speaker 1: think about. I mean, that's why I love these segments.
- 52:51Speaker 1: And we are going to have to come up with
- 52:52Speaker 1: a good name. That's why I love it, because, you know,
- 52:54Speaker 1: it takes a moment to take a step out of
- 52:56Speaker 1: all the craziness, the politics, everything that's going on in
- 52:59Speaker 1: life and go, OK, there's something else out there. And
- 53:02Speaker 1: then for a moment, maybe you could just feel smaller
- 53:04Speaker 1: in a chaotic world and just use your imagination for
- 53:06Speaker 1: a bit. And that's why I love these segments. And
- 53:08Speaker 1: I appreciate you being here and bringing this to the audience.
- 53:10Speaker 1: I hope everybody goes and reads this article at The Debrief.
- 53:12Speaker 1: Where can they go find this article?
- 53:14Speaker 5: For sure. They can go to TheDebrief.org.
- 53:17Speaker 1: Go look it up. Learn about life after death. Chrissy,
- 53:19Speaker 1: can't wait to talk to you next week. We'll see
- 53:21Speaker 1: what's going on in the universe at that point.
- 53:23Speaker 5: That sounds good, David.
- 53:24Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, that's all the time we have for tonight.
- 53:28Speaker 1: Be sure to join us tomorrow because it's going to
- 53:30Speaker 1: be Fired Up Friday. Send in your topics that you
- 53:33Speaker 1: want Chad Caton to be fired up about. I'm sure
- 53:35Speaker 1: there's a list of them at this point. You know,
- 53:37Speaker 1: you can send everything in to us here at David
- 53:40Speaker 1: Pollak Primetime at OANN.com. We look forward to hearing your
- 53:44Speaker 1: responses and we'll see. I think we're all fired up
- 53:46Speaker 1: about the same stuff this week. You've heard me fired up, certainly.
- 53:49Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow. Same time, same place. And until then,
- 53:52Speaker 1: stay classy, America. Good night.
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