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Live from PACK EXPO—AI inspection, smarter closures, and GLP-1 cold chain: Healthcare Packaging · Through the Line: Packaging and Processing

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Through the Line, the podcast exploring innovations and information across the packaging and processing landscape.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: From topics impacting consumer packaged goods and healthcare packaging to the latest technologies in food processing operations.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to another episode of Through the Line Podcast.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: We are live at PAC Expo Day four.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Things are wearing down, but lots of content.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm here with my colleague Liz Cunio of Healthcare Packaging Magazine.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: So we're going to have a little bit of a healthcare event on the packaging discussion that we're going to have.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: So Liz, I was mostly in the big, the large machinery halls and also in the materials halls, but nothing I was looking at was really specific to the pharma, the pharma market, the way that you had a real focused lens on your market.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: So what are some of the big picture trends, let's say even before you got to the show that you were coming here expecting to see?
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then we'll find out if that was borne out in the actual aisles.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_02: And yes, like you said, you didn't see as much of it because I think it was really all concentrated in the West Hall, which is where I spent the last four days, which has been great.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_02: So the trends I was anticipating to see are really the usual ones that we're seeing.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: Sustainability being a big one when we talk about materials, flexibility and modularity when we talk about equipment, high speeds are still prevalent, but really we want faster changeover, more flexibility to do more things with one machine.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: And then expecting to see a little bit of AI, right?
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: A little bit of AI sprinkled in as that is progressing.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: I was not disappointed.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: I saw some of everything and a lot more.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: So you mentioned AI was what I expected.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: We were at Interpact this year, AI was everywhere.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: I would say AI is becoming baked into the offering on a lot of places.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: So two years ago, excuse me, two to three years ago, we may have seen AI in the marketing material and AI, the letters AI out in the aisles, like drawing you into AI.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Now we just assume that it's part of the system, the data collection and the actual crunching of numbers.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: So what did you see on the AI front and how does that kind of ladder up to what you're watching in healthcare packaging space?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it's interesting.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's I feel like it's less out in the open, maybe like you said, because it is assumed.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I saw a lot of it really using AI when we talk about inspection detection.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_02: So instead of just teaching the machine, look looking for these specific defects, the AI is a lot smarter and can really find defects that you might not even know could be a defect.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: So it's less, it's learned behavior over time, right?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: But it's really getting into thinking and seeing something that you might not experience before.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: So the AI is really helping to find faults, and maybe it's fill level, maybe it's a chip in the glass, maybe it's the lid's not on right, or the label's not perfectly adhered.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of innovations there really to maintain that product integrity.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's that was really the big thing for AI in this case.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that exactly the use case, it's one of many use cases, but it's certainly one that that travels into the food and beverage space.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I was at oh yeah.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: I was at multivac yesterday in inspection and detection.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: They were working with there's all sorts of great sensors companies out there.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: They in in particular are working with a cognized AI, okay, where multivac was running trays.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say I guess it was like a multi-pack of, I don't know, what you would you have cheese, nuts, and gummy bears or something in some sort of multi-pack, and they were running that these types of trays where if you were to room remove one item, then the AI was picking up on that.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: That seems like a pretty basic thing, but the the idea is that it was learned over time.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: They would run a certain number, and then they were able to determine not just was something missing or was something not there, or was too much of something there, but they were able to take those learnings and then they were able to make adjustments or a brand owner using this product, I should say, make adjustments elsewhere in the line so as to hone in and not have those mistakes anymore.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it's almost how the AI in one use case reverberates up and down the line, upstream and downstream.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_02: Then it then you really get into making sense of the data over time, right?
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_02: So AI is when I think about it, is really gathering that data, like you said, and then finding out, yeah, why is that part of the pack always underfilled or that side is missing some key ingredient, right?
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: Learning, okay, we need to figure this out.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_02: So it's really, yeah, it helps people go back then and make changes to the operation.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, and I think AI is one of those things that's gonna come constantly evolve of what the use cases are and how intelligent it gets.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and honestly, AI we mentioned is baked in.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's in again food and beverage, you're finding it at all levels of sophistication.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: I actually spoke to a brand owner today, it's three fish, it's a private label company.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: They make crab cakes and empanadas and various things for all of the major retailers.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think you can picture which ones for private label, but they are very they're keen on AI and they're keen on machinery that is moving from a mechanical, let's say a lot of mechanical pieces to servo electric pieces, because all those servo electric pieces are data producers in ways that maybe a mechanical chain or belt might not be.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: So the just the sheer volume of data that you're creating with those machines, it almost becomes too big, data becomes too big to operate or to do anything with.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: So AI is what's taking this volume of data that's coming off this new servo-driven machine, these dude servo-driven machines, and consolidating that data into something that's actionable and something that can drive them for.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I keep hijacking our healthcare competition with food and beverage, but it's amazing how much travels from one side of the aisle to the other.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: So and you just made me think of this printer that actually Bri and I saw this morning.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_02: The company, I believe, is Godex.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_02: It is an industrial printer for food, pharma, really any industry.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: But the really the key thing that they were showing me is that it can be completely covered by this metal lid if you want.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: So it looks like a box, and you would be like, what's under there?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: And that that's where all the printer is.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: So he was saying that's really great for a full washdown.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: You can really wash down that printer that and and it's able to withstand being in very cold environments because it has a little heater in it.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: So it's pretty interesting to see that wash down capability.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's just thinking of food and pharma and how so much crosses over.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: That was a cool printer to see.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a lot of travel between the two.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so what else?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: I have to imagine that regulations, unless food is another thing that travels that with the FDA.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I think under either even stricter scrutiny, then even food is going to be the healthcare space, more specifically pharmaceutical, biologics.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_01: How are the brand owner attendees here?
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: How are they what's on display out there that's basically allowing them to navigate a very tangled web of regulations, legislation, and all of the new DSCSA, just I guess that's in the rear of a mirror now.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: But now we have the NDC rule, the National Drug Code, going from a 10-digit to a 12-digit format.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't seen as much on that topic here.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's very specific to labeling, writing, encoding, and such and serialization.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_02: But what I did see was some interesting examples.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: And speaking of healthcare moving a little slower as far as regulation, but some really interesting bottles that are really doing cool stuff with child resistance, tamper evidence, and removing that desiccant sachet or pouch and building the desiccant right into the bottle or the cap.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: So Sanner had an interesting example where the desiccant is part of the bottle.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's an integral desiccant.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's right on the bottom built in, so you can't, it's not removable.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_02: And this actually reduces waste when you think about not having an extra piece.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: The other thing is it was designed to open one-handed, and these are for OTC convenience packages.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_02: So, like you forgot that you needed to buy an anacid or a Motron or any other product at when you're traveling.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's what's also small bottles.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: So that was cool to see.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_02: ColorCon was actually one of the award winners here, one of the Puma MI Technology Award winners.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: Tech excellence awards, T E T E.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, Tech Excellence Awards.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: So they have their one lot closure.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: And it's interesting, I went and visited them before I even knew that they won.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a very cool closure.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: It integrates tamper evidence, child resistance, and then that desiccant all in the cap.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: And the tamper evidence is very obvious.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: You open it, this white chip plops off, you see the green underneath.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: And so what that does is in the store, there's no way to not see that it's been opened already, versus maybe buying a traditional bottle, going home, and seeing that foil's been removed.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_02: So it deletes that step.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_02: Delete is such a weird word for me to use, but removes that step.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_02: So something different.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: And they won for that, and which is pretty really cool.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: Closure.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: Working on getting it in the market, I believe.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's actually on anything that we would go buy yet, but it's in the market and it's going to be hopefully something that we see more.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's another example of what we would call active packaging.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: We lump them all into smart packaging, but that could be like active packaging, intelligent packaging, that sort of thing.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: So we see that all over the food and beverage.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: And increasingly food and beverage for active packaging, you're seeing something similar.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: What you probably see in terms of temperature, whether they're indicators or something like that, to make sure that your product, let's say a biologic, is going to need to be within a certain temperature window from the time it comes off the line till it arrives at a pharmaceutical pharmacy or it arrives at a hospital or something like that.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: There cannot be exclusion.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: So we see that in food and beverage, obviously, and it's important there, but I imagine it's double these for these time and temperature indicators, these sorts of things.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: See anything like that out there?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I did.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of the cold chain, when I think of a temperature therapy monitor like that, it's a lot of these cold chain companies had some of those on display.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: I saw a couple of new ice pack kind of innovations.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: So that was fun to see.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: Nordic cold chain.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: They have a flat ice pack that's always gonna stay flat.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_02: If you picture opening an ice pack when you get maybe a food supply or formal even, the ice pack gets all bent when it's large and it's all messed up unwieldy because it melted a little bit, right?
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: And changed its shape.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: So what they're making is a flat pack that's gonna ensure that it's always flat.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: It just maintains its shape, maintains its integrity the whole time.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: So that was cool to see.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: Another one, integrat.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: This was a pretty new innovation.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: It is like a chub style ice bag.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_02: Did you see that one?
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see it, but yeah, yeah.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Love the chub packs though.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of food and meat, although we didn't, but yeah, so that was a cool shape to see.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_02: Pretty different for the whole chain in pharma.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it is specifically for pharma, I believe, for the GLP1 growing segment, really designed to have more contact with the product, keeping it colder longer.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: But a lot of those people I talk to, because I'm fascinated with the GLP1 boom, I end up asking them, like, dude, is that like changing your market, your industry?
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like unbelievably.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: So changed just so much growth boom in that segment.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of shippers that are really designed for that segment and direct to consumer, right?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: So something that's been a little different instead of being shipped to a hospital, right to the person's door, consumer's door, which we have to then account for.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: How long is it going to be sitting on their porch?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: Are they at work?
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: Are they when are they picking up that off of the porch?
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_02: So really tight temperature controls that have to factor in that time.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: And for a long time, polystyrene or expanded polystyrene has been tasked with doing that.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: There's been it's being phased out in a lot of cases.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: Although I would say as far as EPS, there was a recent movement where it did have a bit of a respite by being removed from a packed, I forget what it is, but there was a negative materials list that it was removed from because they had built a post uh basically a circular environment where they were bringing that material back and recycling it.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: The same company, EPS, who does expanded polystyrene, is EFM.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: They are moving to and they have a lot of offerings in this space.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was looking at it through the lens of, let's say, a HelloFresh or something along those lines, meal kitten and so on, but it has to translate, it has to travel to your side of things.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: But they're using a combination of hemp and cotton in one case.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: Another one's like a combination of hemp and ground corrugate, corrugated.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: And some of that is just like a layer, some of it can be enclosed and sealed closed.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyways, uh another example seems to be.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: When we talk about going sustainable, because I know with pharma, it's difficult with the primary packaging.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think you have a little bit more opportunity when we talk about secondary and tertiary packaging.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so yeah, tell me about that because a product in your environment, a product is only it has certain vertical and let's say as a ceiling and a floor for what can be done with the packaging before you start to work against the the efficacy of the actual drug or the actual pharmaceutical involved there.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: But you're saying that there's a lot more latitude once you get out of that primary area to start doing things that are more sustainable on the secondary, tertiary.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because really all the regulations really are about the safety of the patient, the efficacy of the drug, the integrity of that product over time.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: So when we talk about trying to add in like recycled materials into a primary package, it's difficult.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's so regulated and just I just don't think we're there yet.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: But when you talk when you move further down the line and talk about a box or a shipper, it doesn't have direct contact, it's a little bit different, a little bit looser.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the direct contact is yeah, that's really what it is.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I keep grabbing the wheel and trying to drive us over into the South Hall where there's a lot of food and beverage.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: So what am I missing?
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: What I did spend some time in in West, but I was largely on the materials side, materials innovation side.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, there's a red dinosaur walking by our booth right now, just in case anybody I'm not imagining that.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: But anything else that that might be interesting that you want to get across?
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: I know we don't have too much time left, but a lightning round Liz.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: What did you see out there that our listeners need to know?
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know if the listeners need to know this, but I would be remiss not to mention that I got to meet Chris Chelios.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: So he was in the West Hall for two hours in the Morris packaging booth and got to say hello, former Detroit Red Wing and Blackhawk and Blackhawk.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: So he was a Black Hawk for nine years when I was in high school.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: He was an enforcer from Chicago.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: Did you look up how long he was?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: He did, and it turns out he say it longer.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Not only that, he won two Stanley Cups with Detroit and did not do so with Chicago.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: So he was a Detroit Red Wing.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: He was a Detroit Red Wing.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I got to meet him, very cool.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: He signed something for my husband.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: That was a highlight.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: For his for your husband.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: For husband, yeah.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's underneath your pillow.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: Dear Liz, yeah, no.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so that happened, which was cool, very not packaging related.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: One thing I saw that always kind of, I don't know why this reminds me of you, Matt, because I think you covered a similar product.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's V-shapes and it looks like a credit card.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a flexible pouch, and you kind of you have covered it maybe.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in my world, it was called Easy Snap at one point.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, that's it.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I know if it's a different company, it very well means.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Could be a competitor.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like credit card, one hand.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm doing this, but no one's it's a podcast, but I'm trying to show how you open it.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: You squeeze it and it opens up.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: So they were showing me immediately, I think, hand sanitizer, right?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: But gosh, so many more applications.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: So cosmetics, hand lotion, facial face serums or such.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: But honey.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Honey, sure.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Olive oil.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Salad dressing.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: The great thing about it is it's already dosed to the exact section.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: So you exact 50 milligrams or whatever the amount that you need.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted the olive oil, but they wouldn't give it to me because it was branded and not in the U.S.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: So you don't want to grab pro tip.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: If you take the olive oil ones with you and put them in your bag, they may snap in your bag and then you have an oily mess or avoid that.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: But I thought my mom would get a kick out of it with some bread, and my daughter loves honey.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: So I was looking at all these, but I'm like, I haven't seen that in the market much.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: And no, in and in and speak going back to healthcare, it's also for pharma and supplements, maybe like the running goo cut type thing.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: Any kind of product like that you might want in that kind of like easy on the go.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: But I've just thinking I haven't really seen it in the market.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_02: Have you?
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was more in Europe.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely the easy snaps.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: I know I think they came out of a couple of Italian companies.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: They exhibit at Pac Expo too.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I wonder if they're two different companies.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: I guess we'll have to.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this was V-shapes.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: V-shapes.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: But it was really cool to see.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I could imagine in like a hospital setting or something where you have a specific dose instead of constantly going back to a hand sanitizer where you're touching a commute.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, every person walking by is touching it.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: It might be a more sterile way to pick up a one of these little credit card shaped things and move to the next person.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: It was really cool to see.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it and again, going back to the one-handed use, it was they're really pushing how it helps with people with the dexterity issues, which in pharma and med device we talk about user friendliness all the time.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: If Favasha can't use it, it really has no good at that point.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: So that was an interesting aspect of it that I hadn't even thought about.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: But anything that you could do one-handed really helps with certain segments.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Anything else, Liz?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Anything to put a bow on, or we are getting close to time.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not that I can think of specifically.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's been a great show.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: Lots of innovations.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's I love seeing the material innovations personally.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: Machinery is cool, of course, too, but anything that's more tangible, I appreciate being able to see and touch.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's been really fun and always great to hang out with my colleagues.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it has been fun.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: And we've got about two more hours to go, maybe three.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna grab lunch and then do one more tour around the booths and take all those photos and videos that we missed or we screwed up the sound on, which happens frequently.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: But it's been a successful pack expo, and uh yeah, we'll have more content to come from both packaging world and healthcare packaging too also in the coming weeks.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Liz, for your time today.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: And that's been another episode of the Through the Line podcast.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for listening to Through the Line Packaging and Processing.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: You can listen to more episodes on all streaming platforms.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: Be sure to visit us at packworld.com, profoodworld.com, and healthcarepackaging.com for more packaging and processing news.
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  SPEAKER_00: This podcast was edited by Bri Guntz.