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- 0:00Chapter twelve Govinda, together with other monks. Govinda used to spend the time
- 0:06of rest between pilgrimages in the pleasure grove which the courtazan Kamala had given to
- 0:12the followers of Gautama for a gift. He heard talk of an old ferryman
- 0:18who lived one day's journey away by the river, and who was regarded as
- 0:22a wise man by many. When Govinda went back on his way, he
- 0:28chose the path to the ferry, eager to see the ferryman because although he
- 0:33had lived his entire life by the rules, though he was also looked upon
- 0:38with veneration by the younger monks on account of his age and modesty, the
- 0:43restlessness and the searching still had not perished from his heart. He came to
- 0:50the river and asked the old man to ferry him over, And when they
- 0:54got off the boat on the other side, he said to the old man,
- 0:58you're very good to us monks and pilgrims. You've already ferried many of
- 1:03us across the river, aren't you too, ferryman, A searcher for the
- 1:07right path, quoth said Arthur, smiling from his old eyes. Do you
- 1:14call yourself a searcher, oh venerable one, though you are already old in
- 1:19years and are wearing the robe of Gautama's monks. It's true, I'm old,
- 1:26spoke Govinda. But I haven't stopped searching. Never I'll stop searching.
- 1:32This seems to be my destiny. You too, so it seems to me
- 1:37have been searching. Would you like to tell me something, O, honorable
- 1:41one, quote, said Arthur. What should I possibly have to tell you,
- 1:46oh venerable one, Perhaps that you're searching far too much, that in
- 1:52all that searching, you don't find the time for finding. How come,
- 1:57asked Govinda. When someone is searching, said said Arthur, then it might
- 2:04easily happen that the only thing his eyes still see is that which he searches
- 2:09for. That he is unable to find anything, to let anything enter his
- 2:15mind, because he always thinks of nothing but the object of his search,
- 2:20because he has a goal, because he is obsessed by the goal. Searching
- 2:25means having a goal, but finding means being free, being open, having
- 2:34no goal. You, oh venerable one, are perhaps indeed a searcher,
- 2:40because striving for your goal, there are many things you don't see which are
- 2:45directly in front of your eyes. I don't quite understand yet, said Govinda.
- 2:52What do you mean by this, quoth said Arthur, A long time
- 2:58ago, oh venerable one, many years ago, you've once before been at
- 3:02this river and have found a sleeping man by the river, and have sat
- 3:07down with him to guard his sleep. But, oh, Govinda, you
- 3:13did not recognize the sleeping man, Astonished as if he had been the object
- 3:19of a magic spell. The monk looked into the ferry man's eyes. Are
- 3:23you, said Arthur, He asked with a timid voice. I wouldn't have
- 3:30recognized you this time as well. From my heart, I'm greeting you,
- 3:34said Arthur. From my heart, I'm happy to see you once again.
- 3:39You've changed a lot, my friend, and so you've now become a ferryman
- 3:45in a friendly manner, said Arthur, laughed a fairy man. Yes,
- 3:50many people, Govinda, have to change a lot, have to wear many
- 3:53a robe. I am one of those, my dear. Be welcome Govinda,
- 3:59and spend the night in my hart. Govinda stayed the night in the
- 4:03hut and slept on the bed which used to be Vasudeva's bed. Many questions
- 4:10he posed to the friend of his youth, many things, said Arthur had
- 4:14to tell him from his life. When in the next morning the time had
- 4:18come to start the day's journey, Govinda said, not without hesitation these words
- 4:25before I'll continue my path, said Arthur. Permit me to ask one more
- 4:30question. Do you have a teaching? Do you have a faith or a
- 4:35knowledge you follow which helps you to live and to do right? Quoth said
- 4:41Arthur. You know, my dear, that I, already, as a
- 4:45young man, in those days when we lived with the penitents in the forest,
- 4:48started to distrust teachers and teachings and to turn my back to them.
- 4:56I have stuck with this. Nevertheless, I have had many teachers since then.
- 5:01A beautiful courtesan has been my teacher for a long time, and a
- 5:05rich merchant was my teacher. And some gamblers with dice once. Even a
- 5:12follower of Buddha traveling on foot has been my teacher. He sat with me
- 5:16while I had fallen asleep in the forest on the pilgrimage. I've also learned
- 5:21from him. I'm also grateful to him, very grateful. But most of
- 5:28all I have learned here from this river and from my predecessor, the ferryman
- 5:34Vasudeva. He was a very simple person. Vasudiva, he was no thinker,
- 5:41but he knew what is necessary just as well as Gautama. He was
- 5:46a perfect man, a saint. Govinda said, still, oh, Siddhartha,
- 5:53you love a bit to mock people, as it seems to me.
- 5:57I believe in you and know that you have followed a teacher. But haven't
- 6:01you found something by yourself? Though you found no teachings, you still found
- 6:06certain thoughts, certain insights, which are your own and which help you to
- 6:12live. If you would like to tell me some of these, you would
- 6:15delight my heart, quoth said Arthur. I've had thoughts, yes, and
- 6:21insight, again and again, sometimes for an hour or for an entire day.
- 6:27I have felt knowledge in me as one would feel life in one's heart.
- 6:31There have been many thoughts, but it would be hard for me to
- 6:35convey them to you. Look, my dear Govinda, this is one of
- 6:40my thoughts which I have found. Wisdom cannot be passed on. Wisdom which
- 6:46a wise man tries to pass on to some one always sounds like foolishness.
- 6:53Are you kidding, asked Govinda. I'm not kidding. I'm telling you what
- 6:58I've found. Knowledge can be conveyed, but not wisdom. It can be
- 7:03found, it can be lived, It is possible to be carried by it.
- 7:10Miracles can be performed with it. But it cannot be expressed in words
- 7:15and taught. This was what I, even as a young man, sometimes
- 7:20suspected what has driven me away from the teachers. I have found a thought,
- 7:27Govinda, which you'll again regard as a joke or foolishness, but which
- 7:31is my best thought. It says, the opposite of every truth is just
- 7:39as true. That's like this. Every truth can only be expressed and put
- 7:44into words when it is one sided. Everything is one sided, which can
- 7:49be thought with thoughts and said with words. It's all one sided, All
- 7:56just one half. All lacks completeness, roundness, oneness. When the exalted
- 8:03Gautamas spoke in his teachings of the world, he had to divide it into
- 8:09sansara and nirvana, into deception and truth, into suffering and salvation. It
- 8:16cannot be done differently. There is no other way for him who wants to
- 8:20teach, but the world itself, what exists around us, in inside of
- 8:26us, is never one sided. A person or an act is never entirely
- 8:31sansara or entirely nirvana. A person is never entirely holy or entirely sinful.
- 8:41It does really seem like this because we are subject to deception, as if
- 8:46time were something real. Time is not real, Govinda. I have experienced
- 8:52this often and often again. And if time is not real, then the
- 8:56gap which seems to be between the world and the eternity, between suffering and
- 9:01blissfulness, between good and evil is also a deception. How come, asked
- 9:09Govinda timidly, listen well, my dear, listen well. The sinner which
- 9:15I am and which you are, is a sinner. But in times to
- 9:18come he will be Brahma again. He will reach the nirvana, will be
- 9:24Buddha. And now see these times to come, our a deception are only
- 9:30a parable. The sinner is not on his way to become a Buddha.
- 9:33He is not in the process of developing, though our capacity for thinking does
- 9:39not know how else to picture these things. No, within the sinner is
- 9:43now and to day already the future Buddha. His future is already all there.
- 9:50You have to worship in him, in you, in every one,
- 9:54the Buddha which is coming into being the possible, the hidden Buddha. The
- 10:00world, my friend Govinda, is not imperfect or on a slow path towards
- 10:05perfection. No, it is perfect in every moment. All sin already carries
- 10:13the divine forgiveness in itself. All small children already have the old person in
- 10:20themselves, All infants already have death, all dying people the eternal life.
- 10:28It is not possible for any person to see how far another one has already
- 10:33progressed on his path. In the robber and the dice gambler, the Buddha
- 10:39is waiting. In the Brahman, the robber is waiting. In deep meditation,
- 10:46there is the possibility to put time out of existence, to see all
- 10:50life which was, is and will be, as if it were simultaneous.
- 10:56And there everything is good, everything is perfect, Every thing is Brahman.
- 11:01Therefore I see whatever exists as good. Death is to me like life,
- 11:07sin, like holiness, wisdom, like foolishness. Everything has to be as
- 11:15it is. Everything only requires my consent, only my willingness, my loving
- 11:20agreement to be good for me to do nothing but work for my benefit,
- 11:26to be unable to ever harm me. I have experienced on my body and
- 11:33on my soul that I needed sin very much. I needed lust, the
- 11:37desire for possessions, vanity, and needed the most shameful despair in order to
- 11:43learn how to give up all resistance, in order to learn how to love
- 11:48the world, in order to stop comparing it to some world I wished I
- 11:54imagined some kind of perfection I had made up. But to leave it as
- 12:00it is, and to love it, and to enjoy being a part of
- 12:03it. These, o Govinda, are some of the thoughts which have come
- 12:09into my mind, said Arthur bent Down picked up a stone from the ground
- 12:15and weighed it in his hand. This, here, he said, playing
- 12:20with it, is a stone, and will after a certain time perhaps turn
- 12:24into soil, and will turn from soil into a plant or an animal or
- 12:30human being. In the past, I would have said, this stone is
- 12:35just a stone, it is worthless. It belongs to the world of the
- 12:39Maya. But because it might be able to become also a human being and
- 12:45a spirit in the cycle of transformations, therefore I also grant it importance.
- 12:52Thus I would perhaps have thought in the past. But to day I think
- 12:56this stone is a stone, it is also animal, It is also God.
- 13:03It is also, Buddha, I do not venerate and love it because
- 13:07it could turn into this or that, but rather because it is already and
- 13:11always everything. And it is this very fact that it is a stone,
- 13:18that it appears to me now and today as a stone. This is why
- 13:22I love it and see worth and purpose in each of its veins and cavities,
- 13:28in the yellow, in the gray, in the hardness, in the
- 13:31sound it makes when I knock at it, in the dryness or wetness of
- 13:35its surface. There are stones which feel like oil or soap, and others
- 13:41like leaves, others like sand. And everyone is special, and praise the
- 13:48Olm in its own way. Each one is Brahman. But simultaneously and just
- 13:52as much it is a stone, it is oily or juicy. And this
- 13:58is this very fact which I like and regard as wonderful and worthy of worship.
- 14:05But let me speak no more of this. The words are not good
- 14:09for the secret meaning. Everything always becomes a bit different as soon as it
- 14:13is put into words, gets distorted, a bit, a bit silly.
- 14:18Yes, And this is also very good, and I like it a lot.
- 14:22I also very much agree with this that this what is one man's treasure
- 14:26and wisdom always sounds like foolishness to another person. Govinda listened silently. Why
- 14:35have you told me this about the stone, he asked hesitantly, after a
- 14:41pause. I did it without a specific intention. Or perhaps what I meant
- 14:46was that love this very stone and the river and all these things we are
- 14:50looking at and from and which we can learn. I can love a stone,
- 14:56Govinda, and also a tree or a piece of bark. These are
- 15:00things, and things can be loved. But I cannot love words. Therefore
- 15:05teachings are no good for me. They have no hardness, no softness,
- 15:11no colors, no edges, no smell, no taste. They have nothing
- 15:15but words. Perhaps it is these which keep you from finding peace. Perhaps
- 15:20it is the many words, because salvation and virtue, as well sansara and
- 15:26nirvana as well are mere words, Govinda. There is no thing which would
- 15:33be nirvana. There is just the word nirvana, quoth Govinda. Not just
- 15:41a word, my friend, is nirvana. It is a thought. Sid
- 15:45Arthur continued, per thought. It might be so, I must confess to
- 15:50you, my dear, I don't differentiate much between thoughts and words. To
- 15:54be honest, I also have no high opinion of thoughts. I have a
- 15:58better opinion of things here on this ferryboat. For instance, a man has
- 16:03been my predecessor and teacher, a holy man who has for many years simply
- 16:08believed in the river, nothing else. He had noticed that the river spoke
- 16:14to him, He learned from it, It educated and taught him. The
- 16:18river seemed to be a god to him. For many years he did not
- 16:22know that every wind, every cloud, every bird, every beetle was just
- 16:29as divine and knows just as much and can teach just as much as the
- 16:33worshiped a river. But when this holy man went into the forests, he
- 16:40knew everything, knew more than you and me, without teachers, without books,
- 16:47only because he had believed in the river. Govinda said, but is
- 16:52that which you call things actually something real, something which has existence? Isn't
- 16:59it just a to say option of the maya just an image and illusion?
- 17:03Your stone, your tree, your river? Are they actually a reality?
- 17:08This too, spoke said Arthur. I do not care very much about let
- 17:14the things be illusions or not. After all, I would then also be
- 17:18an illusion. And thus they are always like me. This is what makes
- 17:22them so dear and worthy of veneration for me, they are like me.
- 17:27Therefore I can love them. And this is now a teaching. You will
- 17:32laugh about love, oh, Govinda, seems to me the most important thing
- 17:37of all to thoroughly understand the world, to explain it, to despise it.
- 17:42Maybe the thing great thinkers do. But I'm only interested in being able
- 17:48to love the world, not to despise it, not to hate it,
- 17:52and me to be able to look upon it and me and all beings with
- 17:56love and admiration and great respect. This I understand, spoke Govinda. But
- 18:03this very thing was discovered by the Exalted One to be a deception. He
- 18:08commands benevolence, clemency, sympathy, tolerance, but not love. He forbade
- 18:15us to tie our heart in love to earthly things. I know it,
- 18:21said said Arthur. His smile shone golden. I know it, Govinda.
- 18:26And behold with this, we are right in the middle of the thicket of
- 18:30opinions, in the dispute about words. For I cannot deny my words of
- 18:37love are in a contradiction, a seeming contradiction, with Gatarma's words. For
- 18:41this very reason I distrust in words so much, for I know This contradiction
- 18:48is a deception. I know that I am in agreement with Gattarma. How
- 18:52should he not know love? He who has discovered all elements of human existence
- 18:59in their train ansatoriness, in their meaninglessness, and yet loved people thus much
- 19:04to use a long laborious life only to help them to teach them. Even
- 19:11with him, even with your great teacher, I prefer the thing over the
- 19:15words. Place more importance on his acts and life than on his speeches,
- 19:22more on the gestures of his hand than his opinions, not his speech,
- 19:27not in his thoughts. I see his greatness only in his actions, in
- 19:33his life. For a long time, the two old men said nothing.
- 19:38Then spoke Govinda, while bowing for a farewell, I thank you, sir
- 19:44Arthur, for telling me some of your thoughts. They are partially strange thoughts,
- 19:49not all have been instantly understandable to me. This being as it may,
- 19:55I thank you and wish you to have calm days. But he thought
- 20:00to himself, this Siddartha is a bizarre person. He expresses bizarre thoughts.
- 20:07His teachings sound foolish. How differently sound the Exalted One's pure teachings clearer purer,
- 20:15more comprehensible, nothing strange, foolish or silly as contained in them.
- 20:22But different from his thoughts seemed to me, said Arthur's hands and feet,
- 20:26his eyes, his forehead, his breath, his smile, his greeting,
- 20:30his walk. Never again, after our Exalted Gautama has become one with the
- 20:37Nirvana, Never since then have I met a person of whom I felt this
- 20:42is a holy man. Only him, this Siddartha, I have found to
- 20:48be like this. May his teachings be strange, May his words sound foolish.
- 20:55Out of his gaze and his hand, his skin, and his hair,
- 20:59out of every part of him shines a purity, shines, a calmness,
- 21:03shines a cheerfulness and mildness and holiness, which I have seen in no
- 21:10other person since the final death of our exalted teacher. As Govinda thought like
- 21:15this, and there was a conflict in his heart, he once again bowed
- 21:21to said Arthur. Drawn by love deeply, he bowed to him, who
- 21:26was calmly sitting, said Arthur. He spoke, we have become old men.
- 21:33It is unlikely for one of us to see the other again in this
- 21:37incarnation. I see, beloved, that you have found peace. I confess
- 21:45that I haven't found it. Tell me, oh, honorable, one one
- 21:49more word. Give me something on my way which I can grasp, which
- 21:53I can understand. Give me something to be with me on my path.
- 22:00It is often hard, my path, often dark, said Arthur. Sir
- 22:04Arthur said nothing and looked at him with the ever unchanged quiet smile. Govinda
- 22:11stared at his face with fear, with yearning, suffering, and the eternal
- 22:18search was visible in his look, eternal not finding. Sir Arthur saw it
- 22:25and smiled. Bend down to me, he whispered quietly in Govinda's ear.
- 22:32Bend down to me like this, even closer, very closer, kiss my
- 22:37forehead, Govinda. But while Govinda, with astonishment and yet drawn by great
- 22:44love and expectation, obeyed his words, bent down closely to him and touched
- 22:49his forehead with his lips. Something miraculous happened to him while his thoughts were
- 22:56still dwelling on, said Arthur's wondrous word words, while he was still struggling
- 23:02in vain and with reluctance to think away, time to ignore Nirvana and Sansara
- 23:08as one while even a certain contempt for the words of his friend was fighting
- 23:14in him against an immense love and veneration. This happened to him. He
- 23:21no longer saw the face of his friend, said Arthur. Instead he saw
- 23:26other faces, many a long sequence, a flowing river of faces, of
- 23:33hundreds of thousands, which all came and disappeared, and yet all seemed to
- 23:38be there simultaneously, which all constantly changed and renewed themselves, and which was
- 23:45still all, said Arthur. He saw the face of a fish, a
- 23:52carp with infinitely painful opened mouth, the face of a dying fish with fading
- 23:57eyes. He saw the face of a newborn child, red and full of
- 24:03wrinkles, distorted from crying. He saw the face of a murderer. He
- 24:08saw him plunging a knife into the body of another person. He saw in
- 24:14the same second this criminal in bondage, kneeling and his head being chopped off
- 24:19by the executioner with one blow of his sword. He saw the bodies of
- 24:25men and women naked in positions and cramps of frenzied love. He saw corpses
- 24:32stretched out, motionless, cold void. He saw the heads of animals,
- 24:37of bores, of crocodiles, of elephants, of bulls of birds, He
- 24:42saw gods, he saw Krishna, he saw Ugny. He saw all of
- 24:48these figures and faces in a thousand relationships with one another, each one helping
- 24:53the other, loving it, hating it, destroying it, giving rebirth to
- 25:00it. Each one was a will to die, a passionate, painful confession
- 25:06of transitoriness. And yet none of them died. Each one only transformed,
- 25:14was always reborne, received evermore a new face, without any time having passed
- 25:21between the wine and the other face. And all of these figures and faces
- 25:26rested, flowed, generated themselves, floated along and merged with each other,
- 25:33and they were all constantly covered by something thin, without individuality of its own,
- 25:38but yet existing, like a thin glass or ice, like a transparent
- 25:44skin, a shell or mold, or mask of water. And this mask
- 25:49was smiling, And this mask was saird Arthur's smiling face, which he Govinda,
- 25:56in this very same moment touched with his lips. And Govinda saw it
- 26:03like this, this smile of the mask, this smile of oneness, above
- 26:07the flowing forms, this smile of simultaneousness, above the thousand births and deaths,
- 26:15the smile of Siddartha was precisely the same, was precisely of the same
- 26:21kind as the quiet, delicate, impenetrable, perhaps benevolent, perhaps mocking wise,
- 26:29thousandfold smile of Gattama, the Buddha, as he had seen it himself
- 26:33with great respect a hundred times like this, Govinda knew, the perfected ones
- 26:40are smiling, not knowing any more whether the time existed, whether the vision
- 26:45had lasted a second or a hundred years, not knowing any more whether there
- 26:49existed a Siddhartha, a Gattama Ami, and a you. Feeling in his
- 26:56innermost self, as if he had been wounded by a divine arrow, the
- 27:00injury of which tasted sweet, Being enchanted and dissolved in his innermost self,
- 27:07Govinda stood still for a little while, bent over said Arthur's quiet face,
- 27:12which he had just kissed, which had just been the scene of all manifestations,
- 27:18all transformations, all existence. The face was unchanged, after under its
- 27:26surface the depth of the thousandfoldness had closed up again. He smiled sweetly,
- 27:33smiled quietly and softly, perhaps benevolently, perhaps very mockingly, precisely as he
- 27:41used to smile the exalted one. Deeply. Govinda bowed. Tears he knew
- 27:48nothing of ran down his old face like a fire burnt, the feeling of
- 27:52the most intimate love, the humblest veneration in his heart. Deeply he bowed,
- 28:00touching the ground before him, who was sitting motionlessly, whose smile reminded
- 28:07him of everything he had ever loved in his life, what had ever been
- 28:11valuable and holy to him in his life. End of Chapter twelve and end
- 28:21of Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse