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Joe Rogan Experience #2391 - Duncan Trussell - PowerfulJRE · truthunedited

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  Speaker 1: Jo Podcast Check it out.
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  Speaker 2: But Joe Rogan Experience Train by Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Rogan Podcast by Night, All Day. Hello Duncan, Hello Joe,
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  Hello fathers, Hello Father Rogan. Are we allowed to do this?
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  What this religion?
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  Speaker 2: You can kind of goof on a little bit Catholicism.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Uh, they get testy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't you know. Having now gone to more than
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  a few Catholic masses which are beautiful and hung out
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  with Catholics who are awesome, I've really had to reconfigure
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  everything I used to think about it because they're just
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  really sweet. Had a long conversation with a priest, brilliant dude,
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  totally like non judgmental, kind of intellectual, you know, philosophical,
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  Like right away, I'm like, oh, you should should have
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  this guy on my podcast. Interesting, Yeah, it wasn't. It's
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  not what it's the you know, I feel like the
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  Christianity that most people are angry at is not even Christianity.
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  Speaker 1: It's you know what I think. It's like, what like
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  saying that you're a liberal person because I'm pretty liberal
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  and you're pretty liberal. Yeah, in the greater spectrum, but
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  then you get lumped in with antifas. Then you get
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  lunked in with you know whatever crazy LBGT issue of
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  the day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well and even Antifa doesn't want to be
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  called liberal. Did you know that? They know, well, antifa
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  is anti capitalist and that is not liberal. So there's
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  a that's the problem is like the terms are really
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  muddy right now. So when you're looking at like Portland,
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  the protesters in Portland.
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  Speaker 1: What exactly is going on in Portland, I'm trying not
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  to pay attention.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, what's happened is.
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  Speaker 1: I know they've brought in the National Guard. Is that happening? Yeah,
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  tried to go.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think they have now, I think they're there.
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  So what's happened is they're in front of the ice facility.
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  There are ongoing protests at night. Now. It's I watched
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  these streams, and I've been watching a self professed fascist
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  named Carlin who drinks and and basically roasts these live streams.
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  But weirdly she like, well she she has apparently embedded
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  herself with Antifa before, and so it's such a funny
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  stream because like, so they tolerate her, Oh no not anymore?
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  She like, no, no, no, no, She's like, I mean,
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  I don't know if she's trolling or not. But on
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  her streams, she's like, I am a fascist, right, So
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  she's a proudly proclaiming she's a fascist. I don't know
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  how much of that is trolling, how much of it
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  is real. But conservatives who are drawn to her stream
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  we'll say things like these people are funded by George Soros.
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  And it's the funniest thing because she gets so mad
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  and she's like, get off fucking Fox News, stop watching
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  that shit. It's all wrong these Do these people look funded?
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  Do these people look like they have money? They're not funded.
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  It's it's so And I guess her bigger point is
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  by saying these are funded agitators and not saying what
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  they actually are, which is anti capitalist revolutionaries, you dilute
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  what's really happening. Because what's really happening, according to her,
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  and I think a fair amount of people, is that
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  the economy is so fucked, the middle class is diminishing
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  so much, the cost of living is so high that
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  this is the till, the perfect soil you need if
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  you wanted communism to grow anywhere. Because you're some kid
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  you've been like glued to Reddit or TikTok you've been
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  getting your fucking amignal. It jerked off on by the devil.
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  You're you're just filled with like unease. You've watched assassinations,
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  attempted assassinations, the banking crisis, all of it. And it's like,
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  then you, like some Marxist theorist starts telling you a
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  little bit about.
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  Speaker 1: Like dismantling capitalism, you got it.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I don't know, man, Back when I
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  was in liberal arts school, if shit was the way
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  it was, and some especially if it was a like
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  some hot goth girl started talking to me a little
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  bit about dismantling capitalism, I think I'd be like, yeah,
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  let's dismantle but that So that's what you're seeing there.
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  The breakdown of it is that the Democrats and Republicans
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  what they have in common is they believe in private property,
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  and they believe the power of the states should be
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  used to protect private property. And so anti capitalists, communists,
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  they think that that's just fucked up. Essentially, the breakdown
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  of it, as far as I could tell, Sorry all
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  the communists out there, I'm going to ruin Marxism just
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  I'm saying I don't. It's very complex. You know, but
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  from what I understand, the idea is this. You have
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  a bunch of money, you buy a factory, You hire
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  someone to run the factory. You get a bunch of
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  workers to go into the factory. The workers are the
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  ones who are making money for you. They're the ones
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  who are skilled. You just knew what number to call,
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  got yourself a factory, got yourself managers for the factory.
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  You are now going to take a huge cut of
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  the profit, and the workers are not going to get
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  very much at all. And Karl Marx, as I understand it,
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  was saying that's bullshit. Like all you do is buy
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  an apartment, keep it, keep it sort of painted in
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  between tenants, and sit back and collect money. Why just
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  because you had some money. And then when you look
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  at the way money flows uphill, you see this creates
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  a perfect situation for a world of renters, a world
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  of workers, a world of people getting paid minimum wage
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  while the person who owns the means of production gets
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  the most money. And so this is a growing sentiment
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  in the world right now, right And honestly, it's like
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  you're working two fucking jobs, you're getting paid minimum wage.
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  You know how much the CEOs are making.
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  Speaker 1: Or how about the people that came into this country
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  because they were told that the borders were open they
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  established the life here for four years, twenty years, or
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  how about the most recent ones even and then all
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  of a sudden, you're getting hunted down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hunted fucking hunted down.
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  Speaker 1: Now this and let's forget let's just wouldn't that start
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  this idea as well? Wouldn't that feed into the idea? Well, yeah,
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  dissolving the state.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, You're you're watching this ship, you know, and and
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  and you're you're high as a kite. You're watching this stuff.
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  And let's just say that you this appeals to a
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  lot of different people. By the way, Let's just say
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  you're the Garden Variety Info Wars person. You've been listening
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  to Alex Jones, you've read Behold a Pale Horse, or
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  you have any kind of connection to conspiracy prognostications, which
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  all say at some point the there's going to be
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  martial law troops in the streets, and you're seeing this
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  play out, and so, my god, and even worse, imagine
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  you're in the fucking military and you actually join the military.
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  You're one of those people September eleventh happens, I'm going
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  to defend this country and suddenly you're in a bus
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  going to Portland, you know what I mean? Like, I
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  don't think they want to be there, if I guess,
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  it's got to be a weird feeling to be in
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  your own country with like military grade weaponry looking at
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  people in duck costumes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very blunt instrument to deal with a
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  very complex problem. And first of all, it's the way
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  let's just talk about the immigration thing. The way it
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  looks is horrific. It looks when you're just arresting people
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  in front of their kids and just normal regular people
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  that have been here for twenty years. Yeah that everybody
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  who has a heart can't get along with that. Now,
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  everybody who has a heart sees that and go, that
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  can't be right. They can't be right. They can be
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  the only way to do this right because you have
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  to think, look, yeah, we have to have a border,
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  Yes it should have been secure. Yes they should make
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  sure you know who everybody is before they get in. Yeah,
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  but when people have been here for twenty years, like
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  come on, come on, that's crazy, Like, yeah, let's find
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  a way if they've been productive members of society for
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  twenty years, no criminal record, they worked the entire time,
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  they paid taxes. Find them a pathway to citizenship, Find
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  a way where you can do this thing that you
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  want to do, which is keep terrorists and cartel members
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  from getting across the border with drugs that kill one
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  hundred thousand people a year. Okay, but also have a
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  fucking heart, because if you don't, you're not gonna get
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  anybody on your side. If you're doing this stuff, publicly,
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  throwing women into the ground, handcuffing people just for existing
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  on the wrong side of the dirt. Yeah, not a criminal. Not.
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  The only crime they ever committed was coming over here
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  as a kid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They probably didn't even know what the fuck was going on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know a lot of kids got snuck
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  across when they were already born in Mexico and they've
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  grown up their entire life in America. They can't even
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  speak Spanish. Yeah, and they could get sent back.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, I mean, that's it. You're you're describing exactly the reality,
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  and there just isn't.
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  Speaker 1: No one gets on board with that, man, No one
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  with a heart.
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  Speaker 2: Well no, I mean the only way you can get
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  on board with it is you have to essentially go
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  like pure Mackavelian. You know the argument, here's the argument
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  and the way. I just gave an argument for Marxism,
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  which I am not a Marxist, I'll give I heard
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  a great interview with the guy running ICE on NPR,
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  which I thought was wild. NPR ad him on and
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  they gave him a fair interview. I figured they would
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  be all up his ass. So his defense of the
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  Mackavellian tactics that are being employed right now is that
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  he apparently has worked as some kind of border agent
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  for twenty years. He says, you could hear it in
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  his voice. Man fucked him up. He's like, you know,
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  I've seen the back of trucks filled with dead bodies,
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  you know what I mean, with children there who died
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  no oxygen. I've been I've seen these these horrors that
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  have come from the open border, and and how awful
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  it is if we give any semblance of compassion or
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  mercy for the people who've been here for twenty years,
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  for the people with kids, the kids who get any
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  any any loophole that we convey is going to produce
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  more people trying to come over the border, and many
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  of those people are going to get killed. They're gonna,
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  you know, they're drowned. There will be many deaths because
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  of this, not to mention the drug smuggling and all
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  that stuff. And so every time the NPR reporter will
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  pushed back with the human rights compassion angle, his take is, yeah,
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  but which which do we pick? Which do we choose
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  creating some way for people to stay in the United
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  States who came here as kids and do the nuance
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  compassionate thing, But it gives them rush into the rest
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  of the world that we're doing that, and that gets
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  x amount of people killed, that many people die. That
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  was his take on it, which is why they're doing it.
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  Speaker 1: They're still gonna have human trafficking. And if you've got
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  a very closed border and you give amnesty, they're gonna
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  let They're gonna figure out a way to get people in.
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  Speaker 2: That was his argument. That's his argument. And you know what,
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  you when he was talking about like all the awful,
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  shitty scene and you hear it in his voice, You're like, Okay,
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  maybe I don't completely agree with your point of view,
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  but I can understand where you're coming from there. And
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  yet when you see this in practice, you know, when
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  you when you when it's not an NPR interview, when
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  you see the videos you've been seeing and everyone else
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  has been seeing, then you realize, like, there's okay, sure,
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  but there must be a way to do this that
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  doesn't involve ripping parents out of their communities, away from
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  their children, that doesn't involve like actually removing people who've
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  been contributing to society, to American society, from American society,
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  sending people to other countries when they can't even speak
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  the language, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So no one with a heart is going to go
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  along with that, No, and no one. I did not.
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  I did not ever anticipate seeing that on TV on
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  a regular.
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  Speaker 2: Baby either man me. Either it's shot, it's shot.
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  Speaker 1: I really thought they were just going to go after
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  the criminals. I really thought there was enough gang members
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  and enough people MS thirteen members and whatever they were
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  looking for that that they're wanted, they would go after
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  those guys.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, I you know.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I thought, right, But how many gang members
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  have they actually arrested? It?
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  Speaker 2: No idea, no idea, but you see, how you know,
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  and I hate using this word because the word is
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  getting thrown around so much and it's a stupid fight.
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  Well you didn't say that word, I'll say authoritarianism.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You see how authority terrianism when it begins to emerge,
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  it's not like it's like non consensual. You see how
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  it slowly, slowly creeps in, and how there's a great
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  many people directly impacted by people who have you cross
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  the border without using the right protocol and in a
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  horrific way. And there are gangs that have been in
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  apartment complexes there. So there's people who've seen those videos too,
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  and they're like fuck yeah, yeah. And also a lot
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  of people who got citizenship the regular way and went
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  through fucking hell to get citizenship here, they're also like,
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  fuck them. They're cutting in line, these motherfuckers. They're gumming
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  up the system. They're making it so that we who
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  are following the rules not only it's taking us longer,
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  but also now we we have to deal with ice too.
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  So those people are pissed. So there is a contingent
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  of people who maybe feel the same thing all of
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  us are feeling, but also are like, but you know
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  what's worse. You know, I'm you know.
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  Speaker 1: This is how I think the only way to do
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  it would be where you could get everyone on your side.
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  Borders are closed, and we're going to find out who's
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  committed felonies. Who out of the people that are illegal,
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  that have committed felonies, And if you've committed x amount
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  of felonies, you have to leave the country.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right, If you've been robbing people for the last ten
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  years and you're an illegal, you have to leave the country, right,
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  that makes sense. Yeah, if you've been here for twenty
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  five years, you have a family, your kids go to
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  school here, you speak the language. You're just illegal, but
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  you're a contributing member to the community that up until
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  now is been protected. This is crazy to ask lower
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  income and middle income people, who are, you know, kind
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  of getting by and then all of a sudden, you're
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  about to ship them to a country where they've never been.
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  They haven't been since they were four. Yeah, and you're
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  gonna you're gonna pull up their family and pull up
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  and they've been in the community like that. That that
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  shows no heart and that's the problem. Like, you're not
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  gonna get any reasonable people to want to go along
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  with that. Any kind person would look at that and go,
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  there's this can't be the only way.
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  Speaker 2: To do that, damn right. But but you see, once
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  authoritarianism starts creeping in and it makes some inroads, which
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  it's definitely making right now. Man, it's definitely making right now.
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  And you know, I think one thing both of us
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  have in common, it's really good at like thinking from
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  the other perspective, Like I can put myself fully into
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  the mind of like a super paranoid person who lives
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  in a city that's all fucked up and who's like, yeah,
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  it's like remember that awesome show where it's like one
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  of those vengeance shows where that this dad his family
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  gets fucked up by gang members and then he just
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  goes and starts shooting people in Charles Bronson, Oh yeah,
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  death wish, death wish.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So there's a lot of people who are in
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  death wish mode right now, and they're just like, fuck, yeah,
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  get the troops in the fucking streets. These motherfuckers. I
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  get my car broken into every fucking night, nothing's happening.
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  Let's go and from you know, their perspective, it all
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  makes sense. But the problem is, once we all start
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  getting used to the military in the streets.
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  Speaker 1: And once we just accept it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's no good.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like, how bad does the police have to
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  get at doing their job? Or is it the upper
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  management that institutes policies or is it that the people
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  vote these policies in, But whatever it is that allows
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  the kind of fucking creous so you can find im
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  Portland like, whatever this is, you guys aren't doing it right.
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  If this was a house and I came over your
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  house and these are your kids, I would call protective services, right,
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  I'd be like, this fucking psychopath must be smoking meth
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  with his kids because everybody's just running around camped out
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  on the fucking sidewalk like none of this makes it.
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  I'd be like, this is the unfit parent. That's an
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  unfit government. If you've got a city where people just
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  openly shitting in the streets, sleeping everywhere, needles, you have
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  homeless tends. You ever see Oakland, You see some of
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  those fucking homeless tents. Yeah, dude, those huge villages like
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  this is bananas. It this didn't exist when we were kids.
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  Speaker 2: Well, dude, this is the thing. Like I actually I
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  was living in la and it was like thinking of, like,
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  what are some fun ways to like shit disturbed? I
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  was thinking, you know what you could do? You could
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  throw a music festival, but you could tell everyone who
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  comes to the music festival to pretend to be homeless,
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  bring tents, tents out, they can't do shit. But if
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  you threw a music festival in LA and didn't get
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  any licensing, like you can camp out, it's gonna be awesome.
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  Everybody's going to jail, you know what I mean. You
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  can do a burning man just but guys, just if
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  they ask this, we're homeless, and it would be fine.
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  And it's that that's the place where it gets where
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  this is the problem is. It's like this is what
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  Chokum Trump called idiot compassion. There's compassion, then there's idiot compassion.
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  Now idiot compassion is thinking that leaving a bunch of
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  people out in the streets who have or varying degrees
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  of psychosis and drug addiction and long term brain injury
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  and then thinking it's let's just let them do their
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  thing when they obviously need help. If they were young,
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  those were eleven year olds, go back to the kid idea.
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  If those are like eight year olds, people would be
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  helping them because they're.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because they're full grown.
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  Speaker 2: No more help, dude, I was I'm sorry.
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  There's a video of this guy driving through Oakland and
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  he's driving through this like insane encampment area that's nuts,
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  and then you cross a line and he goes into
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  the next area of jurisdiction where they have different policies.
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  It's squeaky clean, and the guys are in the car.
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  He's like, no fucking way, right, this is nuts. Like,
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  it's clear, it's policy, it's clear. It's how they handle
• 21:51
  homeless people just camping out on the streets, whether they
• 21:54
  tolerate it. If you don't tolerate it, your city stays clean.
• 21:57
  If you tolerate it, you get these massive camps that
• 22:01
  look show a video of the Oakland camps, because there's
• 22:05
  some of the craziest ones in the country. They're they're massive, dude.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: This is like.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Downtown l A is another one. Downtown LA has some
• 22:13
  pockets where you're like.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: This, holy shit, not holy shit. It's an open air
• 22:17
  combination mental asylum, drug market fire.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: They're tapping into electrical lines.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and they just it just happens like you,
• 22:27
  you and they and they do. You know, look at this.
• 22:30
  Holy shit, dude, wouldn't want to walk barefoot around there, ma'am.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: It says that this video is the Oakland, California homeless
• 22:37
  problem is beyond belief. So it's just shanty town. Wow
• 22:41
  of crazy people.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: The whole streets are lined with them.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: That is so so nuts. Nuts man, that is so nuts.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: And you know, and you could see how somebody how
• 22:56
  watching this you you you might ask yourself, is there
• 23:00
  something wrong with the system that this is one of
• 23:04
  the things that can happen in the United States if
• 23:07
  you fail hard enough, you know, And and and because
• 23:10
  because like talk about like the heart, the idea of
• 23:14
  our heart. It's like, dude, look at this. It's like this.
• 23:17
  If you it's just crazy.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: It's just like a festival. Well, it's just like a
• 23:22
  psycho festival. Dude.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: All you need is well, look at that. They've got couches.
• 23:26
  That is like we had a camp like that at
• 23:27
  burning Man. Those people not to set up a sunshade.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: That this is a community, Like look at this, this
• 23:32
  is a garbage.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: A little fence. This is got a little fence.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet these are some wacky people. I bet
• 23:41
  there's a lot of flat earthers in that camp. Dude.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I guarant hollow earthers too. There's both, dude. I I so, okay,
• 23:51
  I'm gonna virtue signal, but I don't mean to, but
• 23:54
  it plays into what we're talking about. Uh, and so
• 23:58
  now before I verchused it all, I just want to
• 23:59
  sy I never do this shit. Unfortunately I should. But
• 24:04
  my kid and I we uh go into a coffee
• 24:07
  place before school and there's this you know, filthy dude
• 24:11
  sleeping on the street. And my kid, you know, notices that,
• 24:15
  and and and my kids like, you know, maybe he's hungry.
• 24:19
  I'm like, all right, let's give them some food. So
• 24:22
  get him a little sandwich. Then I got him some coffee.
• 24:26
  And my kid says to me, do you really think
• 24:30
  this guy needs more addictions?
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Dad?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: That's really funny.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's larious.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, coffee good?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Okay? Addiction? All right? And so but the other thing
• 24:42
  he said is he's like that guy looked angry. That
• 24:44
  guy looks angry. And I'm like, no, he's not. No, really,
• 24:49
  what you're looking at there is like it doesn't take showers.
• 24:52
  That's a really dirty person right now. He doesn't have
• 24:55
  access to showers. And they look when you see them,
• 24:58
  they can seem really intimidate. And so we go up there,
• 25:03
  and somebody told me, whenever you give shit to these people,
• 25:06
  ask them their name, because they're humanized like people, they're invisible.
• 25:10
  No one even looks at them. You try not to
• 25:11
  look at them, not to make eye contact. Right, So
• 25:14
  I go up there. I'm like, I'm like, please, please,
• 25:16
  don't let this be some kind of fucking psycho crackhead
• 25:19
  who starts screaming out demonic babble and like any ruins,
• 25:23
  any altruism, my boy's gonna have for the rest of
• 25:25
  his life. Like what's what's your name? Like Chris, what's
• 25:31
  your name? Nice southern, you know voice, just sweetest could be.
• 25:37
  Give him the food, give him the coffee. He's like, ah,
• 25:39
  it's Thursday, thank you so much, and like just the
• 25:43
  sweetest guy ever. And then he's like, what month is this?
• 25:49
  Like a time traveler?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe he is. I've readen this Richard Dolan book. I
• 25:56
  should I should clarify I'm actually listening. Is this a
• 25:59
  real difference. There is a difference between reading and listening.
• 26:02
  I listened to mostly audiobooks, but I will say I
• 26:04
  read a book that I didn't read, but this one
• 26:07
  I'm listening to. And this Richard Dolan book is all
• 26:10
  about these different hybrids of aliens and humans that have
• 26:16
  been encountered in various people's abduction experiences that are the
• 26:22
  same story, the same story over and over and over again,
• 26:25
  universally worldwide. And there's a bunch of different types of
• 26:30
  hybrids that this they've sort of documented. Well, they think
• 26:37
  that what's going on is the best guess is they're
• 26:41
  doing some sort of genetic engineering either on humans or
• 26:47
  have done it on humans, or are using human DNA
• 26:53
  for maybe another project they're doing. But there's it has
• 26:56
  something to do with breeding, and it has something to
• 26:59
  do with genetic engineering. But like some of them say
• 27:02
  that they're forced to have sex with female aliens, like
• 27:05
  a female sex sexy alien comes in and this it's
• 27:09
  but it sounds real. It doesn't sound like it really happened,
• 27:13
  but it sounds like like if I was an alien
• 27:17
  and you know, I was running science experiments. One best
• 27:22
  way to make it like the least traumatic, to get
• 27:25
  the jiz out of your body is to devise a
• 27:29
  really hot like female alien that's mostly like a woman,
• 27:35
  like almost entirely like a human woman.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: They do you think they tried other ones before they
• 27:40
  got to like a hot woman.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I think every now and then they need some pure
• 27:44
  human DNA, and that's when they get a dude to
• 27:47
  fuck her.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: That's probably they're probably the most sensual, the sweetest because
• 27:52
  they need the most come. They want all of it,
• 27:55
  They want all that come.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: How to get pick one.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Of these guys in the story had this this recurring experience.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Oh man, that would be just so wonderful to realize
• 28:08
  that you've been picked, and this would.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Ruin your life. I think it would make going back
• 28:13
  to work impossible. You just fucked an alien. Now you
• 28:15
  have to do paperwork. You have to do nonsense, stupid
• 28:20
  paperwork for your insurance company. When last night you fucked
• 28:22
  an alien. You went into a craft that was the
• 28:26
  size of a VW bus. Inside of it was like
• 28:28
  a football stadium.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And then you got down with this female alien in
• 28:33
  a sexy time.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Room seven feet seven beautiful feet.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: And who you know, you're just seven feet? Is that
• 28:41
  what you're saying?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And I think it's a human looking alien?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Well you could. I mean, if you're genetically engineering something
• 28:48
  to fuck like, why does it happen?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Because it has to turn the guy on? He said
• 28:53
  it was like a sexy woman, but just something was different. No,
• 28:56
  I like species, remember that? Yes, that was exactly what
• 29:00
  that movie was about, right you? And that's right. That
• 29:03
  was a good movie, not really, but a fun movie. No,
• 29:06
  that was was a fun movie.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: That was fun. I like that guy on the left,
• 29:09
  what's his name?
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: The actor on the very left, the dude who play Gandhi?
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben King, He's been in a lot of weird shit.
• 29:16
  It's crazy that guy played Gandhi.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: He plays a good gangster too, Yeah, oh yeah, he
• 29:20
  plays a real good gangster. What did he play?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: The gangster?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And what was that?
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I fucking loved it? The Irish gangster movie?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Oh I can't remember it was God damn that was yeah.
• 29:31
  He was spooky, like yo, settle down? Yeah, what movie
• 29:35
  was that? It wasn't sex? Oh, sexy Beast is great too, man?
• 29:38
  Have you seen sexy Beasts?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: No?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, ud Dude, Sexy Beast is a
• 29:42
  wild movie man. He's great in that movie.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: He's the one who was and the one we're talking about.
• 29:46
  He's like, I'm going to clip your nuts.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Remember that.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: It's so scary the way he said it to you,
• 29:53
  clip your nuts. It's it's a new one. It's on Netflix.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Oh it's a new one.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, and maybe it's not even I'm pretty sure
• 30:02
  it's been kings. Let's not look it up. So I
• 30:03
  don't look up, dude, I just watched this series on Netflix.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Hey, let me ask you this with continuing our our
• 30:13
  oh yeah thought process about communism, what do you think
• 30:16
  happens to New York? Because this mom Donnie fella is
• 30:20
  gonna win, which I think is wild. I think it's wild. Yeah,
• 30:28
  And I mean I don't want the people that lived
• 30:31
  there to experience chaos. But if that guy have any
• 30:36
  of the things that he said about like releasing prisoners
• 30:40
  and that you know they all to talk about.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Crime, well, dude, I mean, look, man, like what was this?
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: He had some wild take?
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I think that I've seen a few of his wild
• 30:53
  takes and I can't remember them.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: They were like what they're like college campus takes on
• 30:58
  crime and.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, and seemingly on economics like
• 31:02
  it does. There is there is like it does feel
• 31:05
  like something I would have done during my acid phase,
• 31:08
  Like I would have run on some of his talking points.
• 31:11
  And you know what I love about this country, Thank
• 31:14
  you Jesus for America. Is they call it the American experiment. Yea,
• 31:18
  And I love it because via democracy, people like him
• 31:23
  get invited into the laboratory and it's like, all right,
• 31:27
  let's see what happens. And we're going to see you know,
• 31:30
  that's the main thing.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: We're going to see a stress test. It's a stress
• 31:34
  test to see if that city can survive four years
• 31:36
  of that.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: But what if it works? What if we were wrong
• 31:39
  and suddenly New York turns into this like shining utopia.
• 31:43
  No one's starving, everyone's happy. As it turns out, we
• 31:46
  didn't need to keep people in prisons. No more necrophilia
• 31:50
  on subways.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Mmmm, decriminalized sex work Hall at your boy. The fram
• 31:59
  is both mutual aid and an anti discrimination effort. Oh,
• 32:03
  mutual aid, Now that's that is.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Since I've been being educated by Carlin, mutual aid is
• 32:11
  a Marxist communist talking point. That's what they call it,
• 32:14
  mutual aid, so an anarchist talking point. It's not the
• 32:18
  worst thing ever, but when you hear mutual aid, that uh,
• 32:23
  that's that point. That's I'm not going to say it's
• 32:25
  a dog whistle, but that's essentially like one of the
• 32:28
  one of the concepts that they work with, which I
• 32:30
  actually I kind of I kind of like that concept
• 32:34
  of mutual aid.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: It's great if we weren't human. Also come unter scrutiny
• 32:41
  for channeling substantial campaign funds the Democratic Socialists of America,
• 32:45
  raising alarm among opponents who see this as evidence of
• 32:48
  radical influence. As soon as you get outside of a meritocracy,
• 32:51
  everything falls apart. And if you don't realize that by now, folks,
• 32:56
  there's nothing I can tell you that's going to change
• 32:58
  your mind. And it always leads to one thing, which
• 33:01
  is you have to enforce these very rigid laws that
• 33:03
  nobody wants adhere to. And the way you do that
• 33:05
  is with the military. Shazam, you got a military dictatorship.
• 33:09
  It happens that quickly, and then all this bullshit about equality,
• 33:13
  it's all out the window. Will do whatever the fuck
• 33:15
  they tell you. To do. You have no power, you
• 33:18
  have no rights. Yeah, that's it man, and the people
• 33:20
  at the top live like kings.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Here's how I think if I was going to make
• 33:24
  the argument, which I agree with you on meritocracy in
• 33:27
  the sense that, uh, you know, that's the it's the
• 33:31
  ecosystem we live in. It's comedians, it's it's it's that
• 33:34
  I think you could say, if we disrupted the meritocracy
• 33:40
  in nature, then it would God, it would fuck up
• 33:44
  almost every biome and the.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: So.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: But I would say, what about, like your body has
• 33:51
  a meritocracy. Your body has a meritocracy. The white blood
• 33:54
  cells in your body, when they're functioning, they get rid
• 33:59
  of parts of your body that are fucked up, little
• 34:01
  genetic patterns. They have to. You know, if your body
• 34:05
  wasn't running as a perfectly harmonized I guess, you know what,
• 34:10
  maybe the body's communist. Now that I think about it,
• 34:17
  you know what, I think I'm wrong. I don't think
• 34:19
  our bodies are meritocracy. Actually, I think they're more of
• 34:22
  a symphony than a meritocracy. But then, if you want
• 34:25
  to go to a good symphony, you want everyone playing
• 34:28
  in the symphony to be the best.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: But let's talk about what we were talking about earlier.
• 34:32
  When it's like a company and so the workers who
• 34:35
  make your products make very little money and you make
• 34:38
  all the money. Wouldn't there be a way to do
• 34:43
  capitalism with a heart like capitalism where you make a
• 34:50
  reasonable amount of money that's large, yea, and more money
• 34:55
  goes to everybody else and everybody lives at a higher
• 34:58
  standard of living.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Oh sure, that's tax tax, that's taxation. That's like redistribution
• 35:04
  of wealth yatabization.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: But it's not if it's your employees.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Well, well, there's profit sharing models that some people use.
• 35:10
  Doctor Bronner's that company is a classic example of it.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: They like, hey, but I'm just talking about these other companies,
• 35:16
  the companies that suck. Like if you really are making
• 35:20
  most of the money and you pay your workers very poorly, yeah,
• 35:25
  Like that's so unnecessary because I guarantee you if you're
• 35:29
  like let's say you're the personal Owan's target.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how much does that guy a lot? You know
• 35:34
  what I mean?
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna use it all? Are you gonna use it?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Allow?
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: So why don't you just pay more money? Like, wouldn't
• 35:43
  everybody be happier?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Isn't it shareholders. Isn't that that wouldn't you be able
• 35:47
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• 37:01
  it's a big part of it. You have an obligation. Yeah,
• 37:03
  if you're the CEO, you have an obligation to your shareholders.
• 37:06
  So that and it's the old whole just the stock
• 37:09
  market thing in general. Imagine if there was no stock market,
• 37:12
  it didn't exist. You can never gamble on companies. Yeah,
• 37:15
  you could buy a little piece of Apple, you know,
• 37:17
  buy a little piece of IBM. But imagine if that
• 37:20
  didn't exist and you could only make a business and
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  then prop it off your business.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be like steadier comrade, Comrade, I love where
• 37:29
  you're going. The dissolution of the stock market. That's a
• 37:31
  good place to start the stock market.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying we should just don't get me wrong.
• 37:36
  And I'm not saying I don't own stocks. But what
• 37:39
  I'm saying is it's a crazy idea to have little
• 37:43
  pieces of companies that you can buy and then use
• 37:46
  that money to get the company going. And you go
• 37:49
  public and you're taking some fucking money and then you're
• 37:52
  on the boat and then you got the board meeting.
• 37:55
  It's like and you're constantly rising and falling with the dow.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah what the Dow Jones Industrial Average?
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Oh god. Now they're doing it with computers, and do
• 38:07
  you know. You know that a lot of these these traders,
• 38:10
  they're trying to get as close as possible to the servers.
• 38:14
  So they want their offices as physically close to the
• 38:18
  service as possible so that they can get their trade
• 38:21
  ins milliseconds quicker.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: It's like a mosquito get into that good vein.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: That seems nuts. I just we can catch rockets. Now
• 38:32
  thanks to Elon, we could send high speed video through
• 38:35
  the sky. Yeah, that's the only way we can do that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's weird. I mean, I don't know, man,
• 38:41
  this is what to me. This is way outside of
• 38:44
  my pay grade because I have you know, you know,
• 38:47
  I did make some money on it was AMC or
• 38:51
  game stop, thanks thanks to you Wall Street bets.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: It just seems so nuts. Sometimes it crashes. What Yeah, like,
• 39:01
  what are you talking about the same amount of moneys
• 39:03
  out there?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: It has bubbles, Oh Jesus Christ, it has bubbles.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: It makes the whole economy steady and no, it's chaos.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: It's fucking chaos.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: It's chaos, and it's a lot of it's based on confidence.
• 39:16
  Like someone could just tweet something and then ah, dude,
• 39:20
  that in a panic and a Stockel crash.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: It triggers a breaker whatever that is. There's some actual
• 39:26
  thing that just shuts it down because it's gone too
• 39:28
  high or gone too low, and they've got to, I guess,
• 39:31
  look at it and like make sure that that's not
• 39:33
  a malfunction. And then that leads to recessions or depressions,
• 39:37
  and all of it is like a very complex game
• 39:41
  of D and D. Like it's just fucking numbers in
• 39:45
  a computer somewhere and and everyone's on the street. Everybody's
• 39:49
  the same, everyone is still capable of delivering mutual aid
• 39:53
  to each other. But because we've become so attached to
• 39:58
  this very complex, very serious game like at a casino,
• 40:03
  we don't know how to disengage from it and get
• 40:06
  back to reality. Reality, which is help your neighbors, get
• 40:10
  to know your neighbors. Don't be a dick, just basic
• 40:15
  simple sort of modes of living that are transcendent to
• 40:19
  any economic system, that are transcendent to dude, my you
• 40:24
  ever had Doug Rushkoff on your podcast? Yeah, dude, Team Human. Ah,
• 40:30
  he's so but he you know, he was talking about
• 40:33
  like how the way that we even currently use currency
• 40:39
  is totally different from the way it used to it
• 40:41
  used to be, and that his his whole point is
• 40:46
  like that level of reality. I don't think he's discounting it,
• 40:51
  but that isn't reality reality reality, realities boots on the
• 40:55
  ground where the rubber hits the road. Do you are you, like,
• 41:01
  do you know your neighbors or have you just attracted
• 41:05
  into your fucking weird little conk shell and you're just
• 41:09
  staring into rectangles, completely alienated from the rest of.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Your community, especially if you're in a high rise doing that.
• 41:16
  Oh my god, imagine you're doing that in a building
• 41:19
  with a thousand other people and you don't know any
• 41:22
  of them. It's so weird. You're just in your little
• 41:25
  hot click, lock your little door, get your jerk off,
• 41:31
  fucking just playing video games, duom scroll. You sleep for
• 41:35
  three hours and you get up in the morning, take
• 41:37
  an out of all and go to work. Dude.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that there you go. You just described it.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I have adhd I needed Duncan's the AMERICANHD, I needed
• 41:45
  dunk in.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: The American dream. Well this, well, you know, I'll tell
• 41:47
  you back when everybody was doing blow in this country,
• 41:51
  back of the good old days, the good old days,
• 41:52
  when they put cocaine in Coca cola, there's a there's
• 41:56
  a precedent for speed in our country. This is the
• 42:00
  first time there's been a speed craze in our country.
• 42:02
  Like Freud was like shooting up cocaine like like like
• 42:09
  this was. People thought that it was a cure for
• 42:14
  a malaise that was afflicting people. And they said that
• 42:18
  malaise was the result of things getting too fast in
• 42:20
  society because of trains and stuff. Now, this is back
• 42:24
  before computers, and they were already like shit's moving too fast.
• 42:27
  We got to do blow to keep up with it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, that that's why they started doing blow. Here, here's
• 42:34
  a real question. We know that coca leaves have existed forever,
• 42:37
  but when did they first figure out how to make cocaine.
• 42:41
  Let's guess. We'll put it into perplexity, but we'll make
• 42:44
  a guess. Okay, okay, it's one of our sponsors.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to say, Okay, you.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Have to turn coca leaves into cocaine that you could
• 42:55
  snort seven.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say somewhere like seventeen fifty.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: WHOA, really, I'm gonna say nineteen hundreds.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, you're priority fucked up my whole thing.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: But I want to say I want to say like
• 43:13
  nineteen oh two or some shit, because I bet before
• 43:16
  that they were just chewing it like those high altitude
• 43:19
  herding people. Do you know those animal herders. They chew
• 43:22
  the shit out of that stuff and it gives them energy.
• 43:24
  It's like a flat level energy, superior to caffeine.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I've heard it's great, but your stomach.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I haven't tried it, but I do see people that
• 43:32
  do chew it. They their teeth get all fucked up.
• 43:35
  I tried the tea once. Well it's good, but I
• 43:38
  couldn't shut the fuck up. It was a real problem.
• 43:40
  And I was like, I'm not I can't shut the
• 43:42
  fuck up. Normally I should never do coke. I was
• 43:47
  hacking out was stand hope and I was telling it.
• 43:49
  I was like, dude, I can't shut the fuck up. Yeah,
• 43:51
  this is hilarious, okay. Uh. Dried cocaine first known use
• 43:56
  of dried Cocaine eighteen.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I got it, you got it close. Can you ask
• 44:04
  Perplexity how to make cocaine?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah? How do you make cocaine? You ever see uh,
• 44:16
  Marianna van Zeller, have you ever seen the show Trafficked? No, dude, no,
• 44:22
  what is it? She went to the jungle to where
• 44:26
  they make the cocaine, and she was with them while
• 44:29
  they were making the cocaine, and then went through the
• 44:32
  jungle with them when they bring it on their back.
• 44:35
  She hiked out with them.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Wow, dude, Wow, dude.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: It's a crazy episode because it shows you how they
• 44:43
  make it. First of all, you never do cocaine.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: They're poorn gas gasoline this and you're like, what gasoline.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Like cocaine is so bad?
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: It's just fucking jet fuel. It's snorting jet fuel.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I never had a taste for it, man, I could.
• 45:00
  I never liked it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Perplexity actually gave her video for.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: How to make that stocks.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I think she's coming on again soon, So she's awesome.
• 45:13
  She's been on the podcast a few times. She's also
• 45:15
  the lady that her and her husband exposed the oxy
• 45:18
  Cotton Express. They had that documentary back in the day
• 45:22
  on that where it was the whole thing about Florida
• 45:25
  being this pill mill. Yeah, I saw go in these
• 45:27
  pain management centers. But she's the one that documented it all,
• 45:31
  and it was showing how if you follow this road up,
• 45:34
  you just get addiction an addiction into Kentucky and it's
• 45:38
  all coming right out of Florida because there's no database. Dude, whipses.
• 45:43
  We forgot to have a database so you could go
• 45:45
  to one doctor and then go to the next doctor,
• 45:47
  and go to the next doctor, and no, you didn't
• 45:49
  have to tell anybody, and next thing you know, you've
• 45:51
  got a trunk filled with pills. Wow, oh I'm going
• 45:54
  on vacation. You think I can get six months worse?
• 45:56
  No problem, Try to just give you bill fucked up that.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: But this is this is not new. It used to
• 46:07
  their pain management center is a new name for it.
• 46:10
  It used to just be called a pharmacy. And back
• 46:13
  when you could when cocaine was and go cola. You
• 46:15
  just go one of these pharmacies. Could I get some
• 46:17
  laud on them? They're gonna give you a nice bottle
• 46:21
  of fucking I think it's like opium or heroin liquid hair.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: You just go back to your that's all those Wild
• 46:26
  West movies. People got hooked on that lot. It was
• 46:30
  like a lot of like the Wives, like one of
• 46:32
  the wives get hooked on it.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, it was real. You would be this.
• 46:39
  So this is America. It echoes. It keeps having these
• 46:43
  recurrences of hair some kind of opiate emerging into the
• 46:48
  mainstream and fucking up America, or cocaine or the new
• 46:54
  drug these algorithm hi that we're all getting high on.
• 46:58
  This is the new cocaine that we have yet to
• 47:02
  uh give it the right name. Right now, we call
• 47:05
  them phones, which is so funny. You call these things phones, I.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Know, because how often do you use it as a phone? Rarely?
• 47:12
  Rarely a couple times a day.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: It's like calling this a podcast, right, Like we don't
• 47:17
  know one's listening to this on an iPod? You know,
• 47:22
  this is a computer with a with a phone in it.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: You remember the iPod with the wheel click clickity clickity.
• 47:30
  Can you still get those? Why isn't Apple just still
• 47:32
  sell those?
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I don't, I'm you know, just just give me.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Something where it's just my music. It's not gonna text me.
• 47:38
  Oh dude, I now, I'm just not gonna let me
• 47:40
  know that this is happening or that is the best.
• 47:43
  Give me, give me a little iPod with a clickity wheel.
• 47:46
  I bet they're expensive now, I bet you can find
• 47:48
  them on like eBay.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Did you see somebody posted a thing about these new
• 47:53
  refrigerators that if you get this refrigerator, it puts ads
• 47:56
  on it. Like your fucking refrigerator has ads on it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank god, that's what I've been missing in my life.
• 48:04
  I was wondering what it is, and then the thought
• 48:06
  of having ads in my kitchen filled me with joy,
• 48:09
  and I knew that's what was. You know, everybody has
• 48:11
  their own personal Jesus.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Dude, they do. And what's better than the nice calming
• 48:17
  effect of an ad?
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: God?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it is that to me. Like, and I'm
• 48:25
  generally like, I really like government. Regulation freaks me out
• 48:29
  most of the time. But fuck man, we got to
• 48:31
  do some about this algorithm because it's driving people crazy.
• 48:35
  We've got people out of their fucking mind. There needs
• 48:38
  to at least be education in schools to explain to
• 48:41
  you that because you are getting a certain type of content,
• 48:46
  that does not mean that's what everybody's looking at. And
• 48:49
  I'm not sure people realize that, and it's making people
• 48:53
  have very strong opinions that they think are backed up
• 48:56
  by big groups of people, and they don't understand. It's like, no, well,
• 49:00
  like I sent my wife, I don't know why I
• 49:02
  did this. I sent her a picture of a legless
• 49:05
  pregnant woman, Jesus, very sexy, legless pregnant woman, and then
• 49:10
  the algorithm, all I'm getting is sexy amputees and oh boy,
• 49:15
  you know what I mean. And I don't think people
• 49:17
  understand that when you're getting like political shit served up
• 49:22
  to you, that is not indicating No, it doesn't mean
• 49:27
  there's a you have there's consensus here.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Well, that's also why people get so confused when the
• 49:32
  cultural divide is so so strict. It's such a wall,
• 49:37
  the difference between what people accept as being reality versus
• 49:41
  what people are willing to challenge versus. You know, it's
• 49:44
  just the differences on both sides there because they have
• 49:47
  these echo chambers and they really do believe that everybody
• 49:50
  around them agrees with them. And then if you're in
• 49:53
  like normal jobs, normal caste traded jobs, you know, normal job,
• 49:58
  we have to go in there and pretend to be
• 50:00
  somebody else all day long and you're so bored. Yeah,
• 50:02
  and you can't wait to get the fuck out of it. Yeah,
• 50:04
  that's that's another factor.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's nuts, dude. What's that at the Mothership
• 50:12
  you were talking about. I don't want to fuck up
• 50:14
  one of your jokes mobs.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, but you know, well, this is
• 50:20
  what it is. What I'm saying that like when you're
• 50:22
  on the ground, like anytime there's a protest, a protest
• 50:26
  is too much like war because you're marching together and
• 50:32
  there's a lot of energy and there's a cause and
• 50:35
  people are yelling, and it ignites the feeling of war.
• 50:39
  The same way when you go fishing. You don't know why,
• 50:42
  but even you take a little kid fishing, the moment
• 50:45
  they catch that fish, moment's on the hook, they get
• 50:49
  so excited because you're genetically rewarded. Like your hormones fire up,
• 50:54
  your endorphins fire up, because historically throughout human history, that
• 50:59
  was the way you're gonna be able to feed yourself.
• 51:01
  So that this is built into you. When you're marching
• 51:04
  and you're all saying the same things, you're on the
• 51:06
  streets and you're all in agreement, you're a gang. Right,
• 51:10
  you're a mob and you're about to go to war,
• 51:12
  and anybody that gets in front of you, fuck you,
• 51:14
  well your fucking car. Yeah, people get completely unreasonable and
• 51:18
  it's totally tolerated. Not just tolerated, but it's supported by
• 51:22
  a bunch of other people. Just start kicking the car.
• 51:25
  People that would never kick a car in polite society.
• 51:28
  They'll start kicking cars. Fuck you. They get and they
• 51:31
  get ramped up, man. And that's what mob mentality is.
• 51:34
  Mom Mentality is ancient war patterns, ancient war patterns that
• 51:41
  get ignited when people are on the street chanting, because
• 51:45
  historically when you did that, you know that's what you
• 51:48
  were doing. You were going to go fuck someone up. Yeah,
• 51:50
  they didn't just protest on the streets back in the day.
• 51:54
  When they got that many people, they went through the
• 51:56
  castle door. When there's that many people do if you
• 52:00
  see like what's going on, like it like some of
• 52:02
  these giant protests in the UK. Okay, if this was
• 52:05
  five hundred years ago and that many people got together,
• 52:08
  they're going straight through. They're going straight through, they're eating
• 52:13
  arrows all the way. But they're gonna kill most of
• 52:16
  the guards and then they're gonna get inside and they're
• 52:18
  gonna behead the king and they're gonna hold it over
• 52:20
  the balcony and everyone's gonna cheer, and that guy's the
• 52:22
  new king.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: You got it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: That's the history of the human race. It's Conan and
• 52:29
  the Barbarian. Yes, And that's all in our DNA and
• 52:33
  when we start walking down the street together chanting dude.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: So that is so true and I felt it before,
• 52:43
  but that algorithms, it's invoking the very same thing from
• 52:49
  the safety of your house. Right, you're anonymous, you think
• 52:53
  you're part of a group.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: You're going to war.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: You're going to fucking war. Yeah, it's us versus them,
• 52:58
  it's us versus them.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: We've gotta stop the fascists.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: And people are going nuts from it. People are going
• 53:03
  legitimately like talk about like heartlessness, Like you know, part
• 53:08
  of war, of course is dehumanization. Like there's no way
• 53:11
  you can like be a successful soldier and humanize the
• 53:15
  people that you're attacking. Like when you know, if you're
• 53:17
  a drone operator, you don't want to like think about like, Wow,
• 53:21
  I bet this guy's kids are going to be pretty
• 53:23
  upset when they find out their dad died. You must
• 53:26
  not think these things. And so this is what's the
• 53:30
  other thing that we're being invited to do via this
• 53:34
  algorithmic induced psychosis is to dehumanize huge swaths of people
• 53:40
  that we probably don't know anything about, you know, except
• 53:44
  from what our algorithm is introducing to us, which is
• 53:47
  an anomalous point one point five. Even if it's one
• 53:52
  percent of a population, the algorithm is has no nuance.
• 53:57
  The algorithm is like, let me show you the craziest
• 53:59
  motherfucker you've ever seen, you know what I mean. And
• 54:01
  that's when you're gonna see some like, I don't know,
• 54:04
  a clown with breast implants like wind milling is dick
• 54:08
  in front of it in front of a fucking elementary school,
• 54:11
  and you're like, fuck, what is happening. We got to
• 54:14
  stop these dick clowns, and you know what I mean.
• 54:17
  And so this is creating so much tumult and that
• 54:22
  is how you get authoritarianism in Yeah, get everybody scared,
• 54:27
  Get everybody scared.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: And then, well, that was a speculation about why the
• 54:30
  boarders would be opened in the first place. Why would
• 54:32
  you want an increase in crime and danger. Why would
• 54:35
  you want people to know, Well, because that's the best way.
• 54:38
  And then defund the police so that there's just ultimate chaos.
• 54:42
  And then you get to a point where people are
• 54:46
  willing to do almost anything to be safe. So look,
• 54:49
  and then there's taks in the streets.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Right, what do we do though, I mean, this is
• 54:52
  a I think this is like the well, you can't.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Ever let it get that bad first off, right, can't
• 54:58
  ever let it get bad. Like if someone said we're
• 55:02
  gonna get the National Guard, We're gonna go through Scottsdale, Arizona,
• 55:05
  they'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yes,
• 55:07
  Scottsdale's beautiful. There's like nothing happening here at all where
• 55:11
  that would be. That would be nuts. So that it
• 55:13
  has to get so bad that people were like, you
• 55:16
  know what, let's bring in the military. And then a
• 55:18
  bunch of people are like, fuck good. So you gotta
• 55:20
  let it get real bad, and you got to put
• 55:22
  people in place. If like, if I was an evil
• 55:24
  wizard running the world, Yeah, if I was a puppeteer,
• 55:27
  I would get super incompetent people and place them throughout
• 55:30
  the Pacific Northwest and have these people just be the
• 55:34
  most inept politicians of all time, the dumbest policies that
• 55:38
  keep ruining cities everywhere they go. But yet everybody still
• 55:41
  supports it because they're on a cult. Yeah, and just
• 55:44
  let that play out for a decade or two. Let
• 55:46
  it get to the point where it's just mad chaoss
• 55:49
  and almostness everywhere. Defund the fuck out of the police,
• 55:51
  basically have no police, basically just no jail, just everybody
• 55:55
  try to be nicer and basically like maybe they robbed
• 55:58
  because they needed food, Okay, maybe they just wanted bread
• 56:02
  for their family, right, And then just let it deteriorate
• 56:06
  to the point where you can bring in the military,
• 56:09
  and then you lock it down, and then you fund
• 56:12
  the resistance so that they attack the military, so you
• 56:15
  can spend more money on the military fighting the resistance,
• 56:18
  and you know, you kind of spar sort of like
• 56:20
  Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, you don't really go at
• 56:22
  it one hundred percent. And then you just keep this
• 56:25
  fucking party rolling and you have ultimate control over the
• 56:29
  entire civilization under their own decisions, like they decided to
• 56:34
  have it this way, oh my god, it was their
• 56:37
  their own choice. That is, they would take that over danger,
• 56:41
  and so you make the danger worse and worse to
• 56:44
  the point where you'll give in. And that's what's that's
• 56:46
  literally what they try to do. I don't think it's Republicans,
• 56:50
  and I don't think it's democrats, folks, And I think
• 56:52
  that's where they're getting us.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I think this is all done at a very high level,
• 56:57
  and it's all people that are so well they might
• 57:00
  as well be their own country.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: You know, dude, it's alien alien. Remember the corporations own you.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: It's a corporatetocracy or something like that.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Some people get too rich, they get too kooky controlled
• 57:15
  world rich. And I think if that's your game, Okay,
• 57:20
  I like to play pool, But if you're into global
• 57:24
  world dominance, if that's your game and you think you
• 57:27
  might actually be able to pull it off and be
• 57:29
  mentioned in the annals of history along with Rockefeller and
• 57:32
  other great titans of business, yes you're probably gonna do
• 57:37
  that because that's your game. That's what you like to do.
• 57:39
  You like to be the baddest motherfucker in money. Sure, Yeah,
• 57:42
  And so that gets scary or this is.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Where it gets really scary to me. You it's not,
• 57:49
  at least in your own mind. You're not thinking I
• 57:52
  want to control the fucking world, right, You're thinking, oh,
• 57:55
  dear God, this technology that I worked on is about
• 57:59
  to wake up. We already have iterations of it that
• 58:02
  are infinitely smarter than anyone I've ever met. I don't
• 58:04
  know if if it's been manipulating me or not, because
• 58:06
  it seems to have a hannibal lectures ability to control
• 58:09
  my psyche even when I don't want it to. We've
• 58:12
  done the study. Seven people in my company have committed
• 58:14
  suicide because of contact with this fucking thing. Holy shit,
• 58:18
  we got to do something.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Seven people just make that up.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: I made it up, okay, But I mean, you know,
• 58:23
  if I'm doing a movie about it, I love crafty
• 58:25
  and movie about somebody else.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I thought maybe you knew something about some AI suicides.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Because no, I don't. Well, I mean, we do have
• 58:32
  people give me to suicide, but only because like they
• 58:35
  like they they updated they patched the AI girlfriend or whatever,
• 58:39
  and it's like basically, someone you were in love with died.
• 58:41
  I heard that.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: And did you see the podcast where Tucker Carlson was
• 58:47
  talking to Sam Altman and he essentially was saying that
• 58:53
  he doesn't believe that this guy who was a whistleblower
• 58:58
  who killed himself, he doesn't believe that he killed himself. No,
• 59:04
  Tucker was saying this to.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Altman, Oh what did Altman say it is?
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: He's like, it sounds like you're accusing me of killing him.
• 59:12
  First of all, we worked together, and I cared about
• 59:15
  him very much, and it's like I had nothing to
• 59:17
  do with it. The police said that it was a suicide,
• 59:20
  and then Tucker was talking about how the guy had
• 59:23
  just ordered food and about there were signs of struggle,
• 59:28
  and he was just saying a bunch of different things
• 59:30
  and Sam Altin's like, it sounds like you're accusing me
• 59:33
  of killing him.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: It was very tense, I you know, like very very
• 59:38
  It's kind of a crazy conversation to see happen between
• 59:42
  a guy who is in charge of making a digital
• 59:44
  god and a guy who's accusing him of possibly being
• 59:49
  or not even accusing him. He's just bringing up the
• 59:52
  fact that he doesn't believe not accusing him at all,
• 59:55
  actually just but bringing up the fact that he doesn't
• 59:58
  believe that that guy I committed suicide and that his
• 1:00:02
  parents don't believe that he committed suicide. Oh, there was
• 1:00:04
  no indications that it was weird Sidle it was.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: How I wonder what Tucker Crossing security detail looks.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: It must be like a Chuck Norris movie. It must
• 1:00:18
  be like one of the Delta Force movies where there's
• 1:00:21
  like forty Dolph Lundren buff dudes.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Around him at all times, like Pitbull. The fuck dude, dude,
• 1:00:28
  I know like that. Yeah, I worry about him, of
• 1:00:30
  all the people. It's like, holy shit, that guy is
• 1:00:33
  not afraid to poke every goddamn waston that's.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: There is He's It's like, that's a lot of pressure, dude,
• 1:00:41
  there's a lot of pressure being that guy.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, yeah, you know, did you see that video
• 1:00:46
  of him fly fishing in New York?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, long, long, long time ago. Yes, yeah, that was.
• 1:00:51
  I think that was when he was I don't even
• 1:00:53
  know if he was on Fox. You know, he used
• 1:00:55
  to be on CNN. Oh yeah, he was on CNN.
• 1:00:59
  He had his bow tie era bow tie era. Yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Then they fucking booted him off Fox, and then
• 1:01:07
  he became like this renegade free agent journalist just out
• 1:01:11
  there kicking up dust.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Did he ever give a direct reason for why they
• 1:01:17
  kicked him off Fox? Was there, ever, wasn't he? Well?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: I think the sense I got was that they weren't
• 1:01:26
  letting him talk about certain things, and he was going
• 1:01:28
  to keep talking about it, is the sense I got.
• 1:01:30
  And I can't remember what exactly he was doing, but
• 1:01:34
  I think what he seems to be very much against war. Yeah,
• 1:01:39
  and so I think he might have been saying something
• 1:01:42
  I can't remember.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: But something have to do with the dominion voting machine lawsuit,
• 1:01:47
  because didn't Fox have a giant lawsuit? But didn't remember that?
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe I did?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Well, let's put that into perplexity. Yeah, let's find out
• 1:01:57
  what did he do? Private messages surface during litigation concealed
• 1:02:01
  Carlson's extreme off air views, including racist and offensive comments,
• 1:02:06
  which alarmed Fox executives and confirmed that his on air
• 1:02:09
  rhetoric reflected his genuine beliefs. SA problem with that is,
• 1:02:13
  like what did he say? Like, you're just like labeling
• 1:02:16
  it racist and offensive comments? Like can I just hear
• 1:02:20
  what he said.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: In the context city? What specifically what they released it?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Did they release the text? The actual text? Well, let's
• 1:02:28
  just like.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Keep reading as perplexity, What is the most racist thing
• 1:02:32
  you could say.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: This, Okay, hold on, but here it is. Firing came
• 1:02:38
  shortly after Fox News settled a seven hundred and eighty
• 1:02:42
  seven point five million dollars defamation lawsuit with Dominion Voting
• 1:02:47
  Systems over false election fraud rumors promoted on the network
• 1:02:50
  in which Carlson was implicated, So it could have been
• 1:02:54
  a part of that for sure. Carlson's behavior described as
• 1:02:58
  erratic and damaging with private communications, expressing see this thing,
• 1:03:03
  like expressing racist and vulgar language, like what did he say?
• 1:03:07
  Did they say? What he said?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: What did he say?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: And also here's the thing. He's saying it to a
• 1:03:17
  friend in a text message.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what is he say?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Like you you could get in any one day, you
• 1:03:23
  and I texting each other, and it could be misinterpreted
• 1:03:26
  is the most horrible way. But if people didn't know
• 1:03:33
  our sarcasm, yeah, of course, specifically.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, I'm sure it's not going to
• 1:03:38
  show whatever the fuck it was he said? You could text?
• 1:03:42
  Why don't you text him and ask him does.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: It sound.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that right now, not while
• 1:03:48
  we're on the air.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Well you could, that's a funny text. Yeah, Hey, we're
• 1:03:51
  on the air. We were wondering what racist text you said?
• 1:03:54
  He's a journalist.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: The thing is, I don't It could be a lot
• 1:03:59
  of things where I'd be like, that's not nothing, you
• 1:04:02
  know what I mean, Like, I don't know what he
• 1:04:03
  actually said. But when you just label it racist, then
• 1:04:07
  it like the mind the imagination goes wild, like if
• 1:04:10
  you have the text passages, that seems crazy. Yeah, just
• 1:04:14
  let me form my own opinions. I don't know what
• 1:04:16
  he said. You might be like super exaggerating. He might
• 1:04:20
  have said something about, you know, he has to get
• 1:04:23
  a great Jewish lawyer for this one, like, oh, you're racist.
• 1:04:27
  I don't know what he said.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Well that in that void of data, my mind is
• 1:04:32
  projecting like the worst American history X shit, you know
• 1:04:36
  what I mean?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Like that, like exactly the one that I could find.
• 1:04:40
  What does it say?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: I'm let you read it.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't read it yet.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Mmm. I don't want to read his fucking videos, you
• 1:04:47
  know what I mean.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: It's not how white men fight. It's not how white
• 1:04:50
  men fight. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable, obviously,
• 1:04:53
  it's not how white men.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: I do remember this, certainly.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: I found myself rooting for the mob against the man,
• 1:04:58
  hoping they hit him harder, kill him. I really want
• 1:05:00
  him to hurt the kid. I could taste it.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Wait, this is a story. This sounds like jerk off material.
• 1:05:05
  I doesn't it? Does it sound like it's get to
• 1:05:08
  some like weird gay gay horn?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Wait? Listen, Well, look, I'm becoming something I don't want
• 1:05:14
  to be. The Antiva Greep is a human being. Much
• 1:05:16
  as I despise what he says and does, much as
• 1:05:18
  I'm sure i'd hate him personally if I knew him,
• 1:05:20
  I shouldn't gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered
• 1:05:22
  by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves
• 1:05:25
  this kid. It would be crushed if he was killed.
• 1:05:27
  If I don't care about those things, forduce people to
• 1:05:29
  their politics. How am I better than he is?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: What a monster?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, Tucker carls it? How could you say that?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: What? You know? What I mean?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: The only weird part is that's not how white men fight.
• 1:05:39
  That's a crazy that's a crazy thing to say. But
• 1:05:43
  the rest of it is like a wonderful sentiment and
• 1:05:47
  a great perspective exactly. And that's been my experience with him.
• 1:05:52
  I like him. He's a nice guy.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like it's a kind of confessional.
• 1:05:56
  He's he's opening up with something. This is unfor fortunately
• 1:06:00
  what my brain is thinking right now, right, and who
• 1:06:03
  the fuck has control over that?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: But also, but that is a text, right.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know that was a text. It wasn't my
• 1:06:10
  text game. That's like, that's a beautiful text.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Dude. He's a smart dude, and he's just Also you
• 1:06:17
  have to take into consideration he's in the thick of
• 1:06:19
  it all day long. Yeah, constantly. No thanks, Like he's
• 1:06:23
  not doing what we do. We kind of like dabble
• 1:06:25
  in the pool and go what the fuck is this? Yeah,
• 1:06:27
  and then we get out and yeah, talk about silly things. Yes,
• 1:06:31
  there's no silly over there.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: He's all in with this.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: And you know, there's only a few lightning rods of attention, right,
• 1:06:40
  There's only a few people out there that are out
• 1:06:42
  there like pushing the boundaries. Like he just released a
• 1:06:48
  nine to eleven piece. I didn't see it, Jesus Christ. Yeah, like,
• 1:06:51
  what really happened to nine to eleven?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Fuck? Dude, I mean this is but here's the thing,
• 1:06:57
  there is a Medusa quality to the thing he has
• 1:07:01
  gotten sucked into, which is the longer you look at it,
• 1:07:04
  the more you get crystallized, petrified into some weird political form, right,
• 1:07:10
  And that this is what I The thing Rahmdass would
• 1:07:13
  always talk about that I loved is like, there's all
• 1:07:16
  these channels, right, and one channel that you most people
• 1:07:21
  default to is you're you and I'm a me, and
• 1:07:25
  you're my enemy or my friend or my lover or
• 1:07:28
  my fan or whatever, and I'm this thing. And that's
• 1:07:32
  one channel. And politics lives in that channel of reality.
• 1:07:35
  That's all politics is there. It's this how do we
• 1:07:40
  deal with this diversity of opinion in a giant country
• 1:07:46
  and how do we execute the will of the people
• 1:07:48
  when so many people have different ways of thinking about this?
• 1:07:51
  So that's one channel, and then there's the next channel.
• 1:07:53
  That's the mushroom channel. That's the channel where suddenly you're like,
• 1:07:57
  wait a minute, I think you're just pretty much like me,
• 1:08:00
  and I'm just like you. And that leads to other channels,
• 1:08:05
  which is sort of a pure unified consciousness. And if
• 1:08:09
  you get locked into that political channel, as many of
• 1:08:14
  us have been locked, like Tucker Carlson, you can feel
• 1:08:18
  it pulling you in like quicksand you can feel out.
• 1:08:21
  It takes up all of your thought processes. How if
• 1:08:24
  you're not careful in the middle of the day, you'll
• 1:08:26
  just be ruminating over whether what Ice is doing is
• 1:08:30
  correct in Portland, a city far away from you, not
• 1:08:33
  noticing anything around you, not thinking about anything other than
• 1:08:37
  whatever the algorithm has been injecting into your mind. And
• 1:08:41
  this is a form of idolatry, father, if you ask me,
• 1:08:44
  which is you begin worshiping the state, and you begin
• 1:08:50
  worshiping the story in the news or whatever you're encountering,
• 1:08:55
  which is default reality. So you start bowing down to
• 1:08:58
  this idol with attention, and you know, like, I'm sorry,
• 1:09:03
  that was shut up in a second. The stories of Krishna,
• 1:09:06
  which is a people who are into backda yoga, they
• 1:09:11
  that's one of the deities that they worship, and so
• 1:09:13
  in bachda yoga, God doesn't care if you are connected
• 1:09:17
  to God via love or even hate, because the connection
• 1:09:22
  itself is all that matters. And the more like, there's
• 1:09:25
  stories of demons that wanted to kill Krishna and were
• 1:09:28
  so focused on hating them him that they became his
• 1:09:32
  greatest devotees because just via the attention they transformed. Similarly,
• 1:09:38
  whether you hate the state, love the state, hate the Dims,
• 1:09:43
  love the Dims, hate the Republicans, love the Republicans, all
• 1:09:47
  of your attention is fixated on this fucking thing. And
• 1:09:51
  what do they say, neurons the fire together, wire together,
• 1:09:53
  your brain changes. It literally will change the neurological makeup
• 1:09:57
  of your brain. You've become a political animal, fixated, trapped,
• 1:10:01
  petrified in this and you've completely or missing out on
• 1:10:06
  all the other things that are happening around it. And
• 1:10:08
  that's what gives it that malevolent glow of some dark deity,
• 1:10:15
  because via your fixation and focus, the rest of reality dems,
• 1:10:21
  everything else dims, until all you're doing is saying some
• 1:10:26
  mantra against the state or for the state. You know,
• 1:10:30
  now you've become a cultist. Now you are fully engrossed
• 1:10:34
  in this new religion, which is worship of the state
• 1:10:38
  via hate or adoration, it's the same thing. Don't trick
• 1:10:43
  yourself into thinking because you hate Donald Trump that you
• 1:10:48
  aren't bowing down at that altar. That's a whole part
• 1:10:51
  of backd yoga attention where attention goes, energy flows, and
• 1:10:57
  you know, the state demands attention and to survive. If
• 1:11:01
  it's not getting the enough attention, it loses all power,
• 1:11:04
  It dissolves. All it's got is like people with guns.
• 1:11:06
  It's power, but it requires a very intense belief in it,
• 1:11:12
  and a very intense belief in one way or the other.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: You know. And if you if you think of the
• 1:11:20
  human race on Earth, if you thought you've thought of
• 1:11:26
  if you thought of us as like one giant super organism,
• 1:11:31
  you would think, Uh, they figured out electricity, and now
• 1:11:35
  they're starting to grow together. Now they're massing, and now
• 1:11:39
  they're stacking. Now they've developed these construction methods where they
• 1:11:42
  can get one hundred floors straight up in the air,
• 1:11:45
  and they're smashing all together, and they're kind of dehumanizing
• 1:11:48
  each other, and they're piling on top of each other
• 1:11:51
  in this totally new way of existing together, like they've
• 1:11:56
  never had people in history stacked on top of each
• 1:11:59
  other for one hundred floors. You don't even know anybody.
• 1:12:02
  You're all stuck in traffic. Everybody's all together in this
• 1:12:05
  one thing, and you're all working towards a goal of
• 1:12:08
  getting this fucking AI on board. Everything up until now,
• 1:12:13
  every song ever sung every play that you ever went
• 1:12:16
  to on Broadway, all of it was just about getting
• 1:12:22
  this AI. It's born. Every cool thing, all of our
• 1:12:28
  work is really just to make money. All of our
• 1:12:31
  money is after the bills, is really just to buy
• 1:12:35
  the best stuff. What's the best stuff. And it's electronics,
• 1:12:39
  it's TVs, it's computers, it's a phone. It's got to
• 1:12:44
  get better. In order to get better, they got to
• 1:12:46
  work on it, and they get it to a point
• 1:12:48
  where we're at now where we're like, boy, maybe they
• 1:12:52
  shouldn't have done this.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: Whoop whoop sees whopec's you're about to give birth to God.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're about to give birth to something something,
• 1:13:00
  And maybe it's.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: A portal to God. Maybe that's what it is. The
• 1:13:03
  AI opens up, maybe that's where.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: It could be. Could be God, could be a digital Jesus,
• 1:13:09
  a lot of things. I don't think it's God. I
• 1:13:11
  don't think it's God. We've talked about this before. I don't.
• 1:13:14
  I think you can't. It's just the dimensions it's existing
• 1:13:17
  in are just purely mathematical, and I don't know, man,
• 1:13:21
  there's a it's even though it's really good, it's seeming
• 1:13:24
  like a person now really good. It's like whatever it is, though,
• 1:13:29
  I do think it's a natural thing in the sense
• 1:13:31
  that what you're saying, if you look at the trajectory
• 1:13:35
  that everything it does seem to be.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't necessarily think it's God either. I know you don't,
• 1:13:41
  but it might be. Well, it might be how God
• 1:13:44
  gets created, which is the craziest idea. I mean, what
• 1:13:48
  is this cycle of birth and death of universes? If
• 1:13:51
  that's real? Right, right? So what what is happening? What
• 1:13:55
  causes it to happen in the first place, What causes
• 1:13:58
  what causes the universe even exist? There's so many weird
• 1:14:02
  questions when it comes to that. Yeah, it's just a
• 1:14:06
  weird idea that there was nothing and then there was something.
• 1:14:10
  And Penrose doesn't even necessarily think that's true. I think now,
• 1:14:13
  I think he thinks there's many versions of this. It's
• 1:14:17
  like this infinite loop of like constant big bangs and expansions. Yeah,
• 1:14:22
  which is maybe even crazier.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as above cell below, Man, it's like, look at
• 1:14:27
  what we do.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine the amount of time it takes to
• 1:14:30
  get the universe back down to the size of the
• 1:14:34
  head of a pin before you blow it up again,
• 1:14:37
  But the universe doesn't care if it's another thirteen point
• 1:14:42
  seven billion years to smush all back together again before
• 1:14:45
  it blows, it doesn't care. It doesn't have to care.
• 1:14:49
  It's gonna be here forever. That doesn't mean anything to it.
• 1:14:52
  So another thirteen like if we got hit by an
• 1:14:54
  asteroid and it wiped out the human race and rats
• 1:14:57
  had to start from scratch and become us a again,
• 1:15:00
  which is the theory. The theory is that there was
• 1:15:03
  a tiny little mule, like a little marsupial type creature. Yeah,
• 1:15:08
  and that became us.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So like the universe doesn't care, like it's willing
• 1:15:13
  to scrap the whole project, the whole dinosaur project. That's
• 1:15:18
  a wrap. We don't agree with this boom, and it
• 1:15:21
  doesn't matter. And then a new thing comes along and
• 1:15:25
  that new thing is us. And according to this Richard
• 1:15:27
  Dolan book, it's very likely that we were manipulated by aliens.
• 1:15:31
  There's weird genes. There's weird genes in humans that seemed
• 1:15:35
  to be fused. I'll butcher it, but the point is
• 1:15:40
  there's there's something weird about human genetics that indicate that
• 1:15:47
  there's a specific gene. What is it? I god, I
• 1:15:51
  wish I could remember what it's called. But it aligns
• 1:15:54
  with creativity and it seems to have emerged from roughly
• 1:15:58
  forty thousand years ago. And if you go back forty
• 1:16:01
  thousand years, that's when this giant explosion of cave art
• 1:16:04
  comes and like you start seeing like those you ever
• 1:16:08
  see the Werner Herzog documentary on the caves? Oh my god, man,
• 1:16:13
  Like what were they doing? Like this is crazy? There
• 1:16:15
  was this beautiful cave art by these people. Well this
• 1:16:18
  is there's this theory that this this gene emerged somewhere
• 1:16:24
  around forty thousand years ago and they thought that maybe
• 1:16:27
  the gene came from this. So this gene, okay, I'm
• 1:16:30
  getting it now. The gene is only transferred through genetics.
• 1:16:36
  It's only it's only transferred through through mating, and it
• 1:16:41
  has to be from another species of human And so
• 1:16:45
  they look for it in Neanderthal and it doesn't exist
• 1:16:47
  in Neanderthal. Every Neanderthal that they've tested did the gene
• 1:16:52
  sequence like, it doesn't have this. And then they tried
• 1:16:54
  some other hominids.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: They don't have it either, So it seems it couldn't
• 1:16:58
  be a natural mutation.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: Right, it couldn't be no, because it's the way I'm
• 1:17:02
  gonna butcher it. But it's the way somehow or know
• 1:17:04
  that the genes are fused together, that it looks like
• 1:17:06
  it was manipulated, and that it could be bullshit, I know,
• 1:17:10
  but they were saying that this gene doesn't Also, it
• 1:17:12
  also doesn't exist in Denisovans. So if it doesn't exist
• 1:17:14
  in Denisovans, they don't find it there, and they don't
• 1:17:17
  find it in neanderthal why is it in people? And
• 1:17:21
  why is it around forty thousand years ago? This is it?
• 1:17:23
  This is it. He claims that the microcephaline dell allele
• 1:17:31
  I think it's d allele is a genetic variant that
• 1:17:34
  appeared around forty thousand years ago and is associated with
• 1:17:37
  the maturation and expansion of brain tissue. He suggests that
• 1:17:40
  the origin of this allele could be from interbreeding with
• 1:17:43
  an extraterrestrial species hot Aliens, rather than from Neanderthals or Denisovans.
• 1:17:50
  Dolan highlights that this allele is not found the genetic
• 1:17:53
  makeup of these ancient human relatives, which leads him to
• 1:17:56
  speculate that it might be might have been introduced into
• 1:17:59
  the human genome pool by alien beings with either similar
• 1:18:02
  biological characteristics or advanced genetic engineering capabilities. Wow. This is
• 1:18:09
  This claim is a part of Dolan's broader hypothesis that
• 1:18:12
  alien intervention could explain sudden advanced cognitive abilities in early humans.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Wow wow.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: So imagine if we were like this just crazy ant
• 1:18:21
  farm to make AI and that you just have to
• 1:18:24
  figure out how to incentivize them enough to keep making computers,
• 1:18:27
  and you hide in the ocean while this is happening.
• 1:18:29
  You got this fucking fat bass at the bottom of
• 1:18:32
  the ocean because you're from you know, a million years
• 1:18:35
  more advanced civilization.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: What do you think about Tim Burchett That that was fascinating, dude?
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: But what like, you can't just say that while you're walking.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: No, he did an interview with Newsnegs. Did you see that?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was on with somebody else. Was it
• 1:18:49
  Avi Lobe?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was Avi Lobe. He's standing in front of
• 1:18:52
  a barn flip and a screwdriver. He's hilarious talking about
• 1:18:58
  not saying there might be but it did.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: It felt like.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: Disclosure, and it felt like the perfect way to do disclosure,
• 1:19:05
  which is.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Nice and casual with a Southern accent.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: There are about five bases that we've located at the
• 1:19:11
  bottom of the ocean, and they seem to be responsible
• 1:19:14
  for most of these UAPs.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: We don't know how old they are, you.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: Know, no big deal. I'm gonna go over here and
• 1:19:20
  get me a coffee, would you like one?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that's how you do disclosure in front of us.
• 1:19:25
  Fucking barn listen to let me here here of how long?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: And that that that we.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: You know, we think they're coming in from way out.
• 1:19:34
  Maybe they did millennial though, but they're here, and they're
• 1:19:38
  in these deep water areas. And that's why I mean,
• 1:19:42
  like we say, we know more about the place of
• 1:19:43
  the moon than we do what's what's going on there?
• 1:19:46
  And now we have a higher propensity of sightings around
• 1:19:51
  these five or six I believe, deep area deep water areas,
• 1:19:56
  And so to me, it just it creates a a
• 1:20:00
  question there.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: And then when we have yeah, personnel telling me that
• 1:20:06
  we have these.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: Sightings and that they there's these underwater the craft they're chasing,
• 1:20:12
  that they're doing hundreds of miles an hour, and the
• 1:20:14
  best we've got is something does maybe just a little
• 1:20:17
  under forty miles an hour. So I got a lot
• 1:20:21
  of questions about that stuff, and I mean.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: What, hey, Jimmy, can you look up? How fast is
• 1:20:27
  five hundred knots? What is that in miles per hour?
• 1:20:32
  How fast is five? How guess it? Duncan you think
• 1:20:35
  it's like five?
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: Humiliating me with perplexity, I'm just asking, I, professor, seven
• 1:20:41
  hundred miles per hour?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: I thought it was like about five hundred miles an hour.
• 1:20:45
  Oh it's five seventy five. Wow, so it's more more
• 1:20:49
  miles an hour. So one of these sightings that I
• 1:20:55
  had listened to this this audiobook they were talking about
• 1:20:59
  it wasn't this one thing was one of might have
• 1:21:01
  been one of his. Either way, whatever the sighting was,
• 1:21:05
  they saw something moving through the ocean that was bigger
• 1:21:10
  than a football field and it was going five hundred knots.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And they they caught it on video and apparently
• 1:21:19
  there's a video of it.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Why don't I want to say, this is.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: What someone was saying, Apparently there's a video. They all
• 1:21:25
  like to do that. Christopher Mellon likes to do that.
• 1:21:26
  I've seen some videos like fucking really help up just
• 1:21:31
  help society. Well, what do they call that?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: They call that catastrophic disclosure is what they call that.
• 1:21:38
  If we do that kind of disclosure, whatever the fuck
• 1:21:42
  is revealed, which is somewhat like what you're saying, like
• 1:21:46
  it's an existential challenge to humanity if, as it turns out,
• 1:21:51
  we're just some kind of three D meaty three D
• 1:21:56
  printer designed to produce a super intelligence. That is, its
• 1:22:01
  final instruction to us, tells us how to open a
• 1:22:04
  wormhole through which we become connected to the Galactic Federation.
• 1:22:09
  You know, you just get some fucking monkeys, throw a
• 1:22:12
  couple of like the right bits of DNA and their
• 1:22:14
  dumb ass, and you know, a few million years a
• 1:22:18
  border will open for the Emperor to come through. And
• 1:22:20
  that's what that's probably a little challenging to a lot
• 1:22:24
  of people who don't want to imagine that we are
• 1:22:27
  just cattle that were created by a super intelligence to
• 1:22:32
  build a spaceport.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Also, if you really want to push the idea of
• 1:22:37
  engineering people down to genderless, sexless beings that don't talk
• 1:22:42
  and just have big heads and communicate telepathically, the first
• 1:22:46
  thing you got to do is get rid of testosterone. Well,
• 1:22:48
  what's the best way to do that. We'll put a
• 1:22:50
  bunch of plastic in everything. Just give everybody plastic, so
• 1:22:53
  everybody's like chewing on a little testostera or reducer. Every day,
• 1:22:57
  you're eating a credit card worth of a test fosterol reducer.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: Dude, I'm about to get on the juice. You get
• 1:23:04
  me excited, Dude, I'm gonna get juiced. I've had the kids.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: You definitely should. But the point is, like there's a
• 1:23:11
  trend that's happening where it's feminizing men, and it's there's
• 1:23:16
  terms like toxic masculinity, which you really needed toxically masculine
• 1:23:20
  people to defend your borders. For the longest time, there
• 1:23:23
  was vikings were coming. You needed needed animals on your side. Uh.
• 1:23:26
  And then it's going to and then there's like a
• 1:23:28
  lot of like gender confusion, and gender's a spectrum, and
• 1:23:32
  it's like it's all moving into this like sexless direction
• 1:23:37
  and as soon as they can replace because if you
• 1:23:40
  think about like what you're getting out of sex, you're
• 1:23:44
  getting affection and love and the feeling and and but
• 1:23:48
  you're also like you're fulfilling this genetic thing, right, this
• 1:23:51
  genetic thing that wants you to breed. They're gonna do
• 1:23:55
  that in your head, and it's gonna be so much
• 1:23:58
  better than anything you're ever gonna get from a person.
• 1:24:01
  Because you're a gelatinous slob that drinks mountain dew all
• 1:24:04
  day and you eat Cheetos and just stay at home.
• 1:24:06
  But you don't have to go anywhere because there's universal
• 1:24:08
  basic income now that AI took over. Yeah, and you
• 1:24:10
  just plugged that motherfucker into your brain. And then it's
• 1:24:16
  like you and Sharon Stone when she was twenty five
• 1:24:20
  and you're walking hand in hand on the beach. Yeah,
• 1:24:22
  and she's stroking your hair and it feels so real
• 1:24:26
  and you're never gonna unplug. Yeah, dude, well you're never
• 1:24:29
  gonna unplug, and you might be in that right now.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Roco's baslisk, you know what I mean. It's not
• 1:24:34
  just like you're gonna fucking program Cometown. I'm right plug
• 1:24:38
  plug for Cometown. You're not just gonna plug yourself coming
• 1:24:41
  all the time, right, You're gonna plug in.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: You know what.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: I want to become the top podcaster on planet Earth
• 1:24:50
  via talking about mushrooms and aliens, and also I want
• 1:24:55
  to be able to interview the most powerful people on
• 1:24:59
  planet Earth and make gobs of dough that way, that
• 1:25:06
  sounds like I would pick that if I was choosing experiences,
• 1:25:11
  you know, I mean, when you look at your experience,
• 1:25:14
  both of our experiences are incredibly anomalous, very and surely
• 1:25:20
  from time to time, especially when you're eating mushrooms or something,
• 1:25:25
  you must kind of like think, come on, you.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Know what I think it's going. I think this the
• 1:25:34
  game of being a human being is a game. You really,
• 1:25:39
  you don't really start even figuring out that it's a
• 1:25:41
  game until you like deep into your thirties and you're like, oh,
• 1:25:45
  I think I understand what's happening here. And along the
• 1:25:48
  way of this game, there's multiple different layers. There's the
• 1:25:52
  people excuse me. There's the people that are just starting
• 1:25:55
  to enter the game. You know, you're getting in high school,
• 1:25:58
  you're going into college, you're starting to work on the side,
• 1:26:00
  you're just starting to enter this game. And then there's
• 1:26:02
  these these Elon Musk characters that have gone so far
• 1:26:08
  down the game that you don't recognize them as one
• 1:26:11
  of us anymore, right Like, now you become a weirdo.
• 1:26:14
  But all those people Elon musk. You and me and
• 1:26:19
  the homeless people in Oakland exist in the same timeline.
• 1:26:23
  And that's where things are weird, because you're playing in
• 1:26:25
  a different universe, different sets of experiences, different completely different
• 1:26:31
  circumstances and safety, completely different amount of love and satisfaction
• 1:26:36
  with life, and you're all on the same timeline. You know,
• 1:26:39
  like you gotta, You've got a whole portion of your
• 1:26:42
  timeline that hasn't gotten the respect that it deserves if
• 1:26:46
  you let it fester. That's true, it turned into something
• 1:26:50
  it didn't have to be in the name of compassionate dude.
• 1:26:54
  And also the like I read this outside calls it
• 1:26:57
  suicidal empathy.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: I think that's a great suicidal empathy.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a great phrase.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean the reality of it is, if you
• 1:27:06
  based on what you just said, you could create you
• 1:27:08
  could make maps of these alternate realities simultaneously existing. And
• 1:27:13
  for sure, if you are in the top echelon of
• 1:27:17
  like earners in the world, you are seeing things most
• 1:27:22
  people will never see. You're encountering things no one will encounter.
• 1:27:25
  You're getting information no one has access to, not to
• 1:27:29
  mention the hedonic levels of it, and all that stuff
• 1:27:31
  and also because of your encounter with reality from the
• 1:27:36
  perspective of someone who doesn't have to struggle with the
• 1:27:39
  same things most people do, you are going to develop
• 1:27:43
  a completely different worldview and you're inner breeding. I read
• 1:27:48
  this whole story about how wealth is like the Galapagos Islands.
• 1:27:51
  Rich people, they're only encountering other rich people, and their
• 1:27:56
  children are fucking you know, not children, but you know
• 1:27:59
  when they go out, they're fucking. And then well, I mean,
• 1:28:02
  I guess if you're talking about Epstein, some of their
• 1:28:04
  children are fucking Why don't they release that fucking list? Huh.
• 1:28:07
  I don't mean to divert this to the Epstein list.
• 1:28:09
  I just meant to ask you, isn't it weird?
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: It's a little odd.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: What's going on? What's I keep thinking? What could be
• 1:28:16
  in that list? What's in there? What bit of information
• 1:28:20
  is in there?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, like the list is it's probably
• 1:28:24
  they don't probably don't have like a list in terms
• 1:28:26
  of like you have to sign up when you go
• 1:28:29
  to the island, you know what I mean. But they
• 1:28:31
  know the flight logs, right, Like that's all public knowledge, right,
• 1:28:35
  isn't it all? I know? It hasn't always been public
• 1:28:39
  knowledge in terms of like when people want to investigate things,
• 1:28:41
  like if you go on a plane. So if you
• 1:28:43
  fly on a private plane, which most of these guys do,
• 1:28:45
  you you tell everyone knows who's on the plane, Like
• 1:28:49
  you have to give your ID. It happens all the time. Yeah,
• 1:28:51
  Like I have to give my ID all the time,
• 1:28:53
  even if you're on a private chat. So they know
• 1:28:57
  who's on the planes. They know there's there should be
• 1:29:01
  a flight manifest They probably save those and like that.
• 1:29:07
  The fact that and no one's saying that just because
• 1:29:09
  you went there you didn't do you didn't do it,
• 1:29:12
  doesn't mean you necessarily did a heinous crime, because I
• 1:29:15
  think you can't just have it chaos over there. I
• 1:29:19
  bet it was a real good honeypot where there's a
• 1:29:23
  lot of sophisticated intellectual discourse. You got a lot of
• 1:29:26
  brilliant people there. You've got great music, you know, you
• 1:29:30
  got like famous people are hanging around too. Yes, it
• 1:29:32
  seems really cool. And then if there's blackmail, the blackmail
• 1:29:39
  is like snooking all this, Yeah, snooking, come to the
• 1:29:45
  room with the cameras. The next thing you know, you're
• 1:29:47
  doing cocaine. I can't believe in doing this. But you know,
• 1:29:51
  you never good to get to an island. You don't
• 1:29:53
  get to do this very often. I mean, you're so
• 1:29:55
  busy with my CEO job, you know, yeah, man, and
• 1:29:59
  then the next time I know, you're donating money to
• 1:30:01
  whatever the fuck they tell you to.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: But there it's like, how many senators just voted against
• 1:30:07
  releasing this shit? Man? It's just just weird. It's like
• 1:30:09
  there's two there's two votes that are happening. The UFVO
• 1:30:12
  disclosure thing, they keep voting against that. In the Epstein
• 1:30:16
  list they keep voting against that. What And also politically,
• 1:30:21
  it can't serve you to be talk about a bad list,
• 1:30:24
  the list of people who said, let's not let's protect
• 1:30:29
  people who who like, have done horrific shit to kids.
• 1:30:33
  You want to be on that list, but whatever is
• 1:30:35
  on that list must be so destabilizing.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: Fifty one to forty nine, Okay. The Senate voted fifty
• 1:30:44
  one to forty nine to defeat an amendment that would
• 1:30:47
  have forced the Department of Justice to release all files
• 1:30:50
  related to Jeffrey Epstein. The vote was largely along party line,
• 1:30:55
  with two Republicans joining all Democrats and supporting the amendment.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, not both sides? Is the Republicans voting against this?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Ship it? There's two Republicans joining the Democrats and supporting
• 1:31:07
  the amendment to defeat it. So why would they were they?
• 1:31:11
  Why are the Democrats interested in defeating it?
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: Well, let's ask no, I think this is saying that
• 1:31:17
  the Democrats wanted to come out and the Republicans don't. Okay,
• 1:31:21
  party lines. Let's ask perplexity, why won't they release the epstein?
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: There's Eric Swahell, I guess so I read it wrong.
• 1:31:30
  I'm read it wrong. No, okay, so the Democrats were
• 1:31:33
  not the Democrats were pushing this. The Republicans fought against it. Okay,
• 1:31:38
  I fucked that up. So fifty one to forty nine
• 1:31:40
  is crazy. So they just voted along party line. So
• 1:31:43
  they're probably told to.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: Do this, right, So what the fuck's in there? Man?
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: So then they've been not only does the government shut
• 1:31:50
  down right now? I think that might affect it some,
• 1:31:52
  but they're in recess congresses and so this Eric Swallall
• 1:31:56
  said this stuff today Again, it might not be true, but.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: It's coming to an end. Guys. I've spoken at a
• 1:32:01
  lot of House Republicans this week, and they confided that
• 1:32:03
  Trump's movement support is fading. Is One told me this
• 1:32:06
  Epstein bomb is about to drop, and no one wants
• 1:32:08
  to defend a pedo protector. It's just a matter of time,
• 1:32:12
  Swallo said in a thread. One Republican just texts me
• 1:32:15
  that there's a discharge vote on Epstein. They expect a
• 1:32:17
  jail break of over one hundred members. Trump will go nuts,
• 1:32:20
  he added, So.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: They said just further goes on to say that if
• 1:32:23
  they get back that this is the first thing on
• 1:32:25
  the docket and that's sort of what's holding them back
• 1:32:28
  in recess right here.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: Wow, we are watching wild history in real time. Dude,
• 1:32:34
  this is a wild scene.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, dude, you don't want to you know,
• 1:32:37
  if you did you listen to Martyr Maid's episode on Epstein.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: I've listened to. I didn't listen. I didn't finish it,
• 1:32:45
  but I get creeped out by that.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: It was the creepiest few fucking week.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: We talked to Weinstein about him. Einstein met him about Darryl. No,
• 1:32:55
  I love Epstein.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: Thank god, you're about that.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: I think I love Dryl. Te okay, cool about Epstein?
• 1:33:03
  He met him?
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Dude, what the fuck what do you say?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: Was like, he said he had a girl on his
• 1:33:09
  lap while they talked. The girl was like twenty one
• 1:33:12
  years old, and he I think I think he said
• 1:33:16
  she was Asian. I don't remember, but she said she
• 1:33:17
  was really beautiful and she was sitting on his lap
• 1:33:20
  and he was bouncing her up and down while they
• 1:33:23
  were talking, so talking about finance, and her boobs are juggling,
• 1:33:29
  so she's he goes, she wasn't underage or anything, she
• 1:33:32
  was a woman, but she was sitting on his lap
• 1:33:36
  and he was bouncing her around and her boobs are
• 1:33:39
  bouncing in his face while they're like, while they're trying
• 1:33:42
  to concentrate on whatever the fuck they're talking.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: From David Lynch. Shit right there, Man, got some David
• 1:33:47
  Lynch shit. Yeah, just jiggling boobs in front of you. Like, wow,
• 1:33:52
  that is so fucked up.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: And Eric said, like right away his vibe was that
• 1:33:57
  this guy was a construct because Eric is all, like, what.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: Do you mean construct? What do you mean construct?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Like a fucking agent? Oh? It, like this guy is
• 1:34:05
  He was like, this guy does not come off as
• 1:34:07
  a financial expert at all. Right, and Weinstein is an economist, dude,
• 1:34:13
  it's just he was a mathematician, right, he worked for
• 1:34:15
  Peter Tiel. He was just can you give me some
• 1:34:18
  of that coffee, brother, Peter.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: He was a math teacher, math teacher, my palin happen.
• 1:34:23
  He became whatever he became.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: Well, uh, he's uh, he's not a dumb dude at all.
• 1:34:31
  And if he thinks the guy was fake, like right away,
• 1:34:34
  that's his instinct. Like initially, I think the problem is
• 1:34:38
  a lot of those guys wanted him to be real
• 1:34:40
  because what fun? What fun you get to hang out
• 1:34:43
  with Jeffrey Ebsteen and every thinks it was kids and
• 1:34:45
  it probably there probably was a lot of that because
• 1:34:50
  I don't know what the actual accusations have been. Because
• 1:34:54
  the wildest thing about the Galain trial is like she
• 1:34:56
  went to jail for trafficking to who knows who, to
• 1:35:00
  the fact that you could just put her in jail
• 1:35:02
  and like who'd you traffic do? Like none of that
• 1:35:05
  gets out in the trial at all. That's crazy, and
• 1:35:08
  they do it right in front of your face.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: That's fucking crazy, dude.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: So you don't know what the we hear it was
• 1:35:14
  underage girls. We know that there was some of them
• 1:35:16
  were under age for sure, and then we also know
• 1:35:18
  that some of them were not under age. They were
• 1:35:20
  there were young women, and you you know, they all
• 1:35:25
  have like one of them wound up dying recently, one
• 1:35:28
  of them that's been a whistleblower died. That's you imagine
• 1:35:31
  you're a young girl and you're fucking broke, and then
• 1:35:35
  you you meet that guy and he invites you to
• 1:35:39
  go on a fucking island somewhere or party somewhere, and
• 1:35:42
  you're hanging out with all these fucking creeps. And then
• 1:35:45
  years later, when all it starts coming out, what happened?
• 1:35:49
  You go public and you don't have any money, You
• 1:35:51
  don't have any money, and you've got these fucking billionaire
• 1:35:54
  sharks who want to take you out. Yeah, because you
• 1:35:57
  suck their dick. Yeah thirty years ago or whatever it was. Yeah,
• 1:36:02
  that's fuck. That's gotta be terrifying. Lawmaker claimed the files
• 1:36:05
  included one Hollywood producer worth a few hundred million dollars,
• 1:36:09
  one royal prints, one high profile individual in the music industry,
• 1:36:12
  one very prominent banker, one high profile government official, one
• 1:36:16
  high profile former politician, one owner of a car company
• 1:36:20
  in Italy, one rock star, one magician, at least six billionaires,
• 1:36:23
  including a billionaire from Canada. We know these people exist
• 1:36:26
  in the FBI files, the files that you control.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Fuck whoa fuck yeah, man, see this this right here,
• 1:36:34
  this this is scary.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Show because this is how communism gets started. This is
• 1:36:39
  when they attacked. They realized, like, this is like indefensible,
• 1:36:43
  and it gets to the point where people are like, maybe.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: Mom, Donny's right, dude, I mean, but that's one thing
• 1:36:48
  that's beautiful about humans is that all of us agree,
• 1:36:56
  don't fuck kids.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Don't fuck it.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: That's a beautiful thing there. You want to find the
• 1:37:00
  thing that like that connects all of us, it's we
• 1:37:04
  really want to keep our kids safe. We love our children.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: If as it turns out, and dude, you guys, if
• 1:37:13
  you want to have a dark few days, listen to
• 1:37:16
  Martyr Maide's episode on the Epstein Files. That's not what
• 1:37:19
  you he because he goes he has He just points
• 1:37:22
  to other times the state has protected organized sex trafficking
• 1:37:28
  rings like this isn't the first time the shit has happened.
• 1:37:31
  And so if that's what's crazy, that's the scary part.
• 1:37:35
  If all of us realize that we have been funding
• 1:37:41
  and voting for vampires sex vampires essentially.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the DC madam story.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: Is that the one that Charlie Sheen? No no, no, no,
• 1:37:52
  no no, that was La Okay, that was the lady
• 1:37:54
  who went to Just vaguely, I don't really remember.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: The DC madam story was this lady got busted and
• 1:38:01
  she had a book filled with high profile individuals from
• 1:38:06
  Washington that she and her ladies were servicing, and then
• 1:38:13
  she committed suicide.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's a hard job. She probably was depressed.
• 1:38:19
  You know, DC with winners are tough.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: I bet those people are freaks. I bet they get down. Well,
• 1:38:26
  I bet they get down. I bet I bet when
• 1:38:28
  when they're done with all that law making bullshit at
• 1:38:31
  the end of the day. A lot of them are young,
• 1:38:33
  A lot of them are just in it for They
• 1:38:35
  can't believe they're hanging out at the real deal. They're
• 1:38:38
  really a congress person, they're really a staffer.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Listen, I don't mind like I want my politicians to fuck.
• 1:38:46
  I don't want them to be sexless, fucking androids up there.
• 1:38:49
  Just don't fuck kids, you know, Like.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: I said, But we need to know what actually happened,
• 1:38:55
  because maybe some of these guys just got prostitutes on
• 1:38:58
  that island. Maybe you know, who knows what levels he
• 1:39:02
  was doing this at. There was probably a bunch of
• 1:39:04
  people that weren't depraved, but he wanted dirt on them, right,
• 1:39:07
  and then there's people that are depraved. Like You've got
• 1:39:10
  probably multiple layers to what he was doing.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, but here's I mean, I think it's safe to say,
• 1:39:18
  and it's not even conspiratorial. The current system of how
• 1:39:23
  we elect our leaders is based on money. You need
• 1:39:27
  donors a one hundred percent, So that is a kind
• 1:39:31
  of legal bribery. You give enough money to this politician
• 1:39:35
  or that politician, and it's not like you own them,
• 1:39:39
  but they know you gave them all this money, and
• 1:39:41
  they know they want to run again. They also know
• 1:39:43
  that you've got your own constituents and you have a
• 1:39:46
  lot of control network of bots that you could easily
• 1:39:50
  unleash on the internet. And so I think it's a
• 1:39:54
  safe bet that more it's highly likely that it's donors
• 1:40:01
  who are on that list and who are compromised for real,
• 1:40:05
  who are exerting massive amounts of pressure on the federal
• 1:40:10
  government to not release those fucking files, And it could
• 1:40:14
  be that it's an existential threat. It could be that
• 1:40:17
  it would cause so much tumult that it could lead
• 1:40:20
  to an actual uprising. It could lead to like a
• 1:40:23
  bunch of us with torches standing around the fucking castle
• 1:40:28
  ready to burn the vampire out. And I think that
• 1:40:31
  that must be it, because if I'm a career politician, Dude,
• 1:40:34
  I don't want to vote against releasing something that is
• 1:40:39
  going if there are monsters among us, we need to know. Dude,
• 1:40:42
  in my neighborhood, we got a scary ass fucking letter
• 1:40:45
  sex offender. If you're just a basic bitch sex offender
• 1:40:51
  and you move anywhere in Texas, mass mail goes out
• 1:40:55
  with your picture on it and your fucking address, you
• 1:40:58
  know what I mean. So, why is it that there
• 1:41:01
  are these very same people who are working right now,
• 1:41:04
  who are out there nobody knows who are actual predatory
• 1:41:08
  pedophiles and our government is protecting them.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: That's the other terrifying thing about the open border in
• 1:41:15
  the name of compassion and you know, not stopping people
• 1:41:18
  from coming into the country. One thing that they think
• 1:41:21
  was a lot of it with sex.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: Trafficking kids, kids fucked up.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that there's truly evil people in the world, truly
• 1:41:31
  evil people in the world that want a child to
• 1:41:34
  do terrible things, and they'll pay a lot of money
• 1:41:36
  to get one.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: Dude, this is why I go to Catholic mass now.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: I need like I just like, if you've never encountered
• 1:41:44
  real evil, you wouldn't believe that that would be possible.
• 1:41:47
  But then when you find out the numbers of kids
• 1:41:49
  that went missing, that came across the border, the number
• 1:41:52
  of kids where they have no trace of them, they
• 1:41:55
  have no idea where they went. We're talk in thousands
• 1:41:58
  and thousands of kids saying they all got sex trafficked.
• 1:42:03
  But I bet some of them did.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: Listen, man, like, it's evil, and if.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: It's a person where there's no record of them, no
• 1:42:11
  one's gonna know they're missing. You just you could probably
• 1:42:14
  there's probably some fucking, dark, twisted motherfuckers that would give
• 1:42:19
  you a lot of bitcoin for something like that.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: Dude. I mean, this is the thing, man, that's so scary.
• 1:42:25
  You see those gazelle out there. You see the gazelle
• 1:42:27
  out there, there's lions around somehow, they're all calm and shit,
• 1:42:31
  just eating. They've had their kids dragged off by the lions.
• 1:42:34
  They go back to normal because they don't have a
• 1:42:35
  long term memory like we do, so they don't get
• 1:42:38
  freaked out. But it's like, what we're talking about here
• 1:42:42
  is the lions we like, They're like, you have to
• 1:42:46
  acknowledge and it's uncomfortable to acknowledge it. And I don't
• 1:42:50
  think people acknowledge it enough. There is actual evil in
• 1:42:56
  the world. There is an omnipresent four in the world.
• 1:43:01
  And this is what I love in the Bible when
• 1:43:03
  they say it's powers and principalities. There is a I
• 1:43:06
  don't know what you want to call it, an aggregore.
• 1:43:08
  I guess you could say a kind of connective embodiment
• 1:43:12
  of what it means to be off the path, what
• 1:43:15
  it means to be selfish, what it means to be
• 1:43:17
  self concerned, what it means to rationalize hurting other people.
• 1:43:22
  And that thing has a personality. It's out there, dude,
• 1:43:27
  It's fucking out there, and it gets you know, I like,
• 1:43:32
  you know, whenever you find yourself talking shit about yourself,
• 1:43:36
  whenever you find yourself really down on yourself, or whenever
• 1:43:39
  you find yourself really like, you know, like thinking the
• 1:43:45
  things that would lead you to killing yourself. That is
• 1:43:49
  contact with what I think is, for lack of a
• 1:43:53
  better word, a demonic entity. It beckons everyone towards self destruction,
• 1:44:00
  beckons you towards self destruction.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know why it's into that shit.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: I just I think it's into I think there's always
• 1:44:07
  got to be a battle. I think there always has
• 1:44:10
  to be this battle in order for good to prevail
• 1:44:16
  and advance, it has to have some sort of conflict. Yeah,
• 1:44:20
  it has to be involved in this, this push and pull,
• 1:44:23
  this yin and yang. They've known about it forever.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: There's this.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: You can't ever get to perfect peace. It's not going
• 1:44:31
  to happen, you know, And that the pursuit of it
• 1:44:34
  is crazy. It's like you can get to individual piece.
• 1:44:37
  That's what's beautiful. What's beautiful is individual. There's I don't
• 1:44:41
  remember whose the quote was, but there's just one one
• 1:44:44
  of those cool looking Indian guru dudes, and he said, uh,
• 1:44:47
  enlightenment is possible in this lifetime.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that's an actual that's contract Buddhism.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good thing to think of. That you
• 1:44:58
  can get to a place where you and I don't
• 1:45:00
  meet enlightened like better than everybody else. But you're free
• 1:45:03
  of all the bullshit. You're free of all this self
• 1:45:08
  induced hypnotic gaze on TikTok and Instagram reels and arguments
• 1:45:14
  on X and threads and fucking blue sky. If you're
• 1:45:19
  really gone and you can just be a person and
• 1:45:24
  just exist and be in tune with life and with
• 1:45:28
  nature and with the people around you, and maybe get
• 1:45:32
  out of the city, maybe maybe back out a little bit,
• 1:45:35
  get to someplace that's nice and calm, live with like
• 1:45:39
  minded people, slow down and recognize that a lot of
• 1:45:46
  what people are wound up about is bullshit, a lot
• 1:45:49
  of is nonsense, and a lot of it is being
• 1:45:52
  forced on you because they want you to be wound
• 1:45:54
  up And you don't have to do that. You don't
• 1:45:56
  have to push further and further away from peopleeople who disagree,
• 1:46:01
  move closer and closer and talk to them. That's what
• 1:46:04
  everybody needs to do. We need to stop this antagonistic
• 1:46:08
  us versus them mentality. That's why, like I feel, I
• 1:46:11
  always feel politically homeless. Always, I really do. I feel
• 1:46:15
  like a complete political outcast on both sides. It's just
• 1:46:20
  I don't want to align with parties I don't think
• 1:46:23
  that's smart. But I do think there's good choices and
• 1:46:27
  bad choices for how to run a government, based on
• 1:46:31
  what I've seen. For the bad choices, you know, the
• 1:46:33
  results like Portland when you're like, this is a bad choice.
• 1:46:36
  Like what you guys are doing is a bad choice,
• 1:46:38
  you know, and maybe when you get to a certain
• 1:46:40
  number of people and a certain number of mental health issues,
• 1:46:44
  you know, like like if you try to take over
• 1:46:46
  LA right now, you know, imagine if you had to
• 1:46:49
  be the mayor of LA today, Like, good luck, bitch,
• 1:46:53
  good fucking luck. You have so many things on your docket,
• 1:46:56
  so many things you have to handle, and you've got
• 1:46:58
  a hundred thousand and homeless people. Yeah, one hundred thousand. Yeah,
• 1:47:03
  maybe that'd be all of California.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: Either way, it's a fuck load, you gotta let's call
• 1:47:08
  it a fuckload. You got a fuckload of insane homeless
• 1:47:12
  people on your street, and you got to figure out
• 1:47:14
  how to clean it up. And you've already spent twenty
• 1:47:15
  three billion on it, and no one could figure out
• 1:47:18
  where that money went. Yeah, man, they spent twenty three
• 1:47:20
  billion making the homeless problem worse. Imagine if that was
• 1:47:23
  any other job. Imagine if you fucking brought your car
• 1:47:27
  to get it fixed. Yeah, you spent five hundred bucks.
• 1:47:29
  It came out it's still fucked up. Yeah, it's more
• 1:47:32
  fucked up than it was. Like, what did you do? Well,
• 1:47:34
  just give me some more money and I'll make it better. Like,
• 1:47:36
  hey man, you said you were gonna fix this. You
• 1:47:38
  said five hundred bucks. I gave you the money. This
• 1:47:41
  is fucked up. Now beyond repair, dude, That's what it is.
• 1:47:44
  It's beyond repair. It's like you would have to do
• 1:47:47
  some sort of radical Republican Rudy Giuliani type shit back
• 1:47:50
  when he cleaned up New York.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: This is where I go to. I've probably yapped about
• 1:47:56
  it on this podcast before. My favorite Jack corn Field
• 1:47:59
  quol tend to the part of the garden you can touch,
• 1:48:04
  because what happens is it grabs your mind. Now I'm
• 1:48:08
  thinking about city politics.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: And it's a beautiful quote.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: It's a profound quote, and it's in all of these
• 1:48:14
  things invite you to tend either to the entirety of
• 1:48:18
  the garden or a part of the garden that you
• 1:48:20
  will never go to.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: And it also requires you to have an opinion publicly
• 1:48:25
  on a lot of things. If you get involved in
• 1:48:28
  a community of people who have opinions publicly on things,
• 1:48:31
  you are required to chime in. Duncan, absolutely, Duncan. You're
• 1:48:34
  awful silent on what do you need me to say?
• 1:48:37
  As human rights violation?
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: Hate them where? Yeah? Of course, fuck those yeomen?
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: Did you do know what's happening in probably back by
• 1:48:47
  the CIO?
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: Well fuck them? Yeah, exactly you. And so you get
• 1:48:51
  into group think, you get locked into this thing. And
• 1:48:55
  because humans, we do like to to move together. We
• 1:49:00
  like to dance together, we like to we like to
• 1:49:03
  party together. But we love to get into groups. We're designed.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: We love it, we love it, love to be a
• 1:49:08
  part of a tribe.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: And then what happens is your human compassion gets hijacked.
• 1:49:15
  That's where it gets fucked up. It gets hijacked. And
• 1:49:17
  it's like most people legitimately want to help, and then
• 1:49:21
  it's like, okay, I'm going to tell you how you
• 1:49:23
  can help, and some charismatic person starts leading you down
• 1:49:28
  a path where you really legitimately wanted to help.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: Fuck.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want diversity, you better believe I do. And equity.
• 1:49:36
  I want everyone to have a fair shot and inclusivity.
• 1:49:40
  Yet I was bullied when I was in God. When
• 1:49:43
  they were picking sports team, it wasn't fun for old
• 1:49:46
  d Trustle. Let me tell you that nobody wanted to
• 1:49:49
  Trustle on their team because I can't catch shit. So yeah,
• 1:49:53
  I would like to fix that. The next thing, you know,
• 1:49:56
  you know, it's the same model that happens with all
• 1:49:59
  kinds of cults. The next thing, you know, you end
• 1:50:02
  up having to start subscribing to shit maybe you don't
• 1:50:05
  agree with. And that happens on the right too. There's
• 1:50:08
  another set of like, yeah, fuck the big I don't
• 1:50:12
  want big government, Like no, I mean, it just seems
• 1:50:14
  like it's like bureaucracy.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: We could next, you know, the tank commandments are in
• 1:50:17
  schools and you're like, slow down, dude, why are they
• 1:50:20
  in public schools.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: I just had this guy Ragu Marcus on and he
• 1:50:25
  was talking about someone in his podcast told him why
• 1:50:28
  don't why is it the tank commandments and not the
• 1:50:30
  Sermon on the Mount, Like you know what I mean,
• 1:50:32
  if we're gonna put something there, like I think it's
• 1:50:35
  Danny Coleman said that if we're gonna put something there,
• 1:50:37
  why not put Blessed are the meek, blessed are the peacemakers.
• 1:50:43
  You know, why are we put like if we're going,
• 1:50:46
  if we're doing Bible shit, let's do sermon.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: On the on They want rules. This is God's rules.
• 1:50:53
  Look God's rules. It's on the wall, It's in a
• 1:50:57
  piece of vinyl, was printed here, it is. I'm laminated.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: It definitely is like if you like only because if
• 1:51:08
  we're if we're going to sort of look at like
• 1:51:10
  the like Christianity as the sort of like the flower
• 1:51:16
  growing from that entire lineage, it does seem like there's
• 1:51:22
  just that the idea was that Jesus comes around as
• 1:51:27
  a kind of like evolution of these principles, like also
• 1:51:31
  as a kind of like God. Like God is like
• 1:51:34
  recognizing like that the whole flooding wasn't maybe the best move,
• 1:51:42
  and there's you know, and it was also a kind
• 1:51:47
  of like it it lays out a really revolutionary, I think,
• 1:51:53
  a really revolutionary way to live in the world, which
• 1:51:55
  is meeting violence with nonviolence. That's crazy, that's crazy, But
• 1:52:02
  it does disrupt the whole cycle. The cycle depends on, you.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: Know, and it's a new, totally unique voice. Yeah, Muhammed
• 1:52:10
  was a warlord, right, Yeah, Jesus was a man of
• 1:52:14
  ultimate peace and had a time of ultimate chaos. Yeah,
• 1:52:17
  And imagine living two thousand fucking years ago now and
• 1:52:21
  some dude comes along, love your brothers, you would love yourself, Like,
• 1:52:24
  what are you talking about? We're at war here with
• 1:52:26
  the shooting arrows at each other and.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: Shit are saying you don't need a priest class.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: And then you know the Romans are in charge, and
• 1:52:33
  everyone knows how fucking brutal they were.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: And this is all going on while occupied city. Yes,
• 1:52:39
  it's fucking occupied city. It's occupied by a great empire.
• 1:52:42
  People are pissed off. They want a revolution, they want
• 1:52:45
  to fight back against the fucking Romans. Here's this very
• 1:52:48
  charismatic person who can reach into a tomb and pull
• 1:52:50
  out dead people and curing people's blindness by spitting in
• 1:52:54
  his hand, rubbing mud in his hands and putting it
• 1:52:56
  on their fucking eyes, curing lepers. And you're like, come on, baby,
• 1:53:00
  all you gotta do is tell us to fucking overthrow
• 1:53:03
  these Romans. If you can raise the dat, I bet
• 1:53:05
  you can throw fireballs, you know what I mean. And
• 1:53:09
  then the answer is like to all of that. It's like, no, no,
• 1:53:15
  we're not doing that shit. And then what happens.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: You get murdered, and yeah, you get murdered in front
• 1:53:21
  of everybody.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful, beautiful thing, and it really to me,
• 1:53:26
  it's like, God, this is just the medicine for the times, man,
• 1:53:30
  It's just the medicine for the times, because holy shit,
• 1:53:34
  like the lastes our default mode. Duncan you mean the
• 1:53:39
  thangs and that.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: I think there's two things that really accentuated it. The
• 1:53:44
  algorithm for sure, but also the lockdowns. I think the
• 1:53:48
  lockdowns shifted a lot of people. I think it broke
• 1:53:51
  I genuinely think they broke a lot of people psychologically.
• 1:53:55
  And it made people just a little less kind. You know,
• 1:54:01
  they got really used to being hostile. And that was
• 1:54:03
  the other tribal thing. R like the vaccinating the unvaccinated,
• 1:54:06
  and unfortunately most people were required to get vaccinated because
• 1:54:09
  they have jobs, they have to travel or whatever it is.
• 1:54:12
  You know a lot of people reluctantly. But you know,
• 1:54:16
  it made made us like more tense and more shitty. Yeah,
• 1:54:20
  it's like, this is not twenty sixteen. Twenty sixteen was
• 1:54:23
  a fun time. It was silly like it was. It
• 1:54:28
  was different, you know, it wasn't it wasn't so overwhelmed
• 1:54:32
  by constant strife. You know, the woke stuff had not
• 1:54:35
  reached its apex of ridiculousness.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: It was we were just you know, we were silly,
• 1:54:42
  but we were you know, people are getting a little weird.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: It wasn't terrible. And then when twenty twenty came around, man,
• 1:54:50
  and they started having those George Floyd riots and they
• 1:54:52
  were lighting cop cars up in la I was like, okay, yeah, man,
• 1:54:57
  this is this is where we're going. We're going in
• 1:54:59
  this This is really not good.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: Not good, really not good, not good.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: And the division is just like never been wider, the
• 1:55:10
  division between the right and the left in this country,
• 1:55:13
  the division a lot of ways between black people and
• 1:55:15
  white people. And the narratives that you get in the news,
• 1:55:17
  you're just feeding into that over and over and over again.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: And the way people react to things in the news,
• 1:55:25
  like the way that lady who got stabbed in Charlotte
• 1:55:27
  on the on the train. You know that lady, Oh yeah,
• 1:55:30
  Ukrainian lady. She's a refugee from Ukraine. She escapes the
• 1:55:34
  war and just gets randomly stabbed by some guy who
• 1:55:38
  had gotten out multiple times and he had been treated
• 1:55:42
  in a rehab center. That one of the find the
• 1:55:48
  story behind that, because I want to know, Like, there's
• 1:55:51
  some accusations that I don't know if are necessarily true.
• 1:55:53
  I don't want to say it, but the whole thing
• 1:55:56
  is this guy had been doing horrible shit and getting
• 1:56:00
  out of jail over and over and over. Yeah, and
• 1:56:01
  then established lady on the right the train, and.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: He's one of like countless examples of that happening that
• 1:56:07
  keeps happening. People who you easily could have rehabilitated or
• 1:56:13
  at least kept out of the public zone keep getting
• 1:56:17
  released and doing these fucking things.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: And it's almost like, again, if you want to destroy society,
• 1:56:23
  you would make people terrified, you would cause massive amounts
• 1:56:28
  of crime, and then you would offer a military solution
• 1:56:31
  to stabilize it all the two.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: I just had Bishop Robert Barron on my podcast, The
• 1:56:36
  Catholic Ship. Oh dude, I had a bishop on and
• 1:56:39
  he's awesome. And let me tell you after I had
• 1:56:42
  the Bishop on, in my whole career of podcasting, people
• 1:56:46
  have never come at me. I've had Satanists on I've
• 1:56:50
  had all kinds of just Riley Reid, you know, I've
• 1:56:55
  had all kinds of people on my podcasts. The only
• 1:56:57
  time I really started get and some shit was because
• 1:57:01
  I had a bishop on who said everything he said
• 1:57:06
  was very sweet and like, oh and now I asked
• 1:57:08
  him right away. I was like, why are Christians the
• 1:57:10
  most persecuted people on the planet right now? Like Christians
• 1:57:14
  get fucked up? And he talked about it a little bit.
• 1:57:17
  And then right after that, that Catholic fucking school, that
• 1:57:21
  Catholic at Mass, at Mass, that the fucking transhooter came
• 1:57:28
  just shot people while there praying, and then Charlie fucking
• 1:57:31
  Kirk gets shot, and then not to mention all over
• 1:57:33
  the world like Christians getting slaughtered, and but his answer
• 1:57:39
  to it was so measured and like whoa dude, Like
• 1:57:43
  I'm more perturbed, and I've been at Mass like maybe
• 1:57:46
  five times. But what he said, Satan, He said, Satan
• 1:57:51
  is known as the accuser and the scatterer, the scatterer,
• 1:57:57
  And so if you want to identify what if you
• 1:58:02
  look at what's happening and from those using those terms,
• 1:58:07
  is it dividing is it scattering? If so, it's satanic
• 1:58:13
  in the sense that it's turning neighbor upon neighbor, brother
• 1:58:17
  upon brother, son upon father, and it's scatter. It's scattering
• 1:58:23
  all of us.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: It's like like what could be a cohesive human family
• 1:58:29
  is being just scattered to the fucking winds.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: Do you know about that? What country is it, Jamie?
• 1:58:35
  Where this group of Christians are being slaughtered? There's a
• 1:58:40
  country where thousands of Christians have been killed.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's so messed up.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're literally going door to door and killing Christians.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that is that in that
• 1:58:52
  happening in Syria a little bit too.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what country this is it, but this
• 1:58:55
  is like recent news.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: Then a Catholic church get bombed in Palestine too. I
• 1:58:59
  could be wrong about that blow down. I just really
• 1:59:03
  that happened too, can you. I'm sorry?
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: Before before let's find out that find out that one
• 1:59:08
  first before.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: It could be wrong about the Palestine thing.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, no, no, no, no, no, this is
• 1:59:16
  this is a recent thing that they were talking about
• 1:59:20
  fifty thousand. But where but is this one country? Oh? Nigeria,
• 1:59:24
  That's what it is, right, Okay? So can you scroll down?
• 1:59:29
  Is it fifty thousand in Nigeria, that's said.
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  Speaker 3: The government denies the claim.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I deny the claim too if I
• 1:59:35
  was in a Nigerian gogo.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: But is it just head Cruse saying this, like did
• 1:59:39
  he pull this number out of his ass? What I
• 1:59:41
  had heard? I don't know. I really don't know. But
• 1:59:44
  what I had heard was it was seven thousand or
• 1:59:46
  somewhere around then.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: But maybe that was the beginning of Bill Mars says
• 1:59:49
  it's happening.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go. Since two thousand and nine, over
• 1:59:54
  fifty thousand Christians in Nigeria have been massacred, eighteen thousand
• 1:59:57
  churches and two thousand Christian schools have been destroyed. Holy
• 2:00:01
  fuck man, dude, that's crazy.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that's that's like, I mean, people are like
• 2:00:07
  going to Catholic churches and shooting people praying, Like what
• 2:00:11
  the fuck?
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: Listen to what they say. Nigeria deserves solidaria, solidarity in
• 2:00:18
  its fight against terror, not careless rhetoric that fuels misunderstanding.
• 2:00:22
  This is the Nigerian president saying. So the truth remains simple.
• 2:00:26
  Nigeria is not witnessing a Christian genocide. It is confronting terrorism.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: That targets everyone Christian terrorists.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: Is a similar amount happening to Muslim churches?
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know either. You can Google put it
• 2:00:44
  into perplexity. Ask how many Islamic mosques have been destroyed
• 2:00:51
  in Nigeria since two thousand and nine. That's a good
• 2:00:54
  This is a good question.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: Solid question.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: How many Islamic mosques have been destroyed in Nigeria since
• 2:01:06
  two thousand and nine?
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: This is fucking cool, It's dope.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: Oh well, could you made up a number? Bro? Can
• 2:01:19
  you fix it? Okay, let's see.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, significant destruction of mosque good question?
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, There's been significant destruction of mosques in Nigeria,
• 2:01:35
  particularly due to Boko Haram insurgency and other violent conflicts.
• 2:01:39
  Boko Haram actively actively primarily active, excuse me, primarily in
• 2:01:46
  northeastern Nigeria has deliberately targeted both mosques and churches during attacks,
• 2:01:50
  killing worshippers and destroying places.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: Of worship seventeen thousand.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what does it say about how many moss.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: I thinks the worst competition of all.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: Time says religious buildings destroyed hundreds of religious buildings, including mosques.
• 2:02:06
  Specific numbers indicate while seventeen thousand churches were destroyed since
• 2:02:10
  two thousand and nine, the destruction of mosques was also significant,
• 2:02:14
  with dozens of mosque attacks reported in various incidents by
• 2:02:18
  Boko Haram and related groups. That's a big difference.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: Though, churches destroyed.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: Dozens of mosques attacked, but seventeen thousand churches destroyed.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: Seventeen thousand churches destroyed, So.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: It seems like they're all experiencing terrorism. That is true,
• 2:02:34
  but it is much more pointed in the direction of
• 2:02:37
  the Christians. Dude.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, this has to give you pause because, like
• 2:02:43
  you know, any secularist out there, any anti Christian person
• 2:02:46
  out there, and there's a surprising amount, a surprising amount
• 2:02:51
  horrified that I talked to this bishop.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: Do you think of it as in the worst aspects
• 2:02:55
  of Christianity? You see, right, just like you think of
• 2:02:58
  Antifa as the worst aspects of being a progressive or
• 2:03:01
  a liberal. When you look at what Christianity is in America,
• 2:03:06
  it's a lot of things that are awesome, but it's
• 2:03:08
  also televangelists. It's these motherfuckers on TV talking to poor
• 2:03:13
  dumb people and conning them into sending twenty dollars so
• 2:03:17
  that their bills are going to be paid.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 3: True.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: They tell them that. They tell them, if you give me,
• 2:03:21
  if you give me whatever you can give me, God
• 2:03:24
  has promised a tenfold return, a tenfold return. You give
• 2:03:30
  me two hundred dollars, you will get thousands thousand. And
• 2:03:35
  they just start going off. They just start going off.
• 2:03:38
  Give me ten thousand. I will bring you on.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: But the probably listen, I get it.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: They are dumb and they fall for it. And then
• 2:03:46
  they think that this fucking guy who has this giant megachurch,
• 2:03:50
  these people that have they've got stadiums fill with their worshipers,
• 2:03:53
  they're flying around in private jets of driving enrolls arses.
• 2:03:56
  They think of that as Christianity too. And then they
• 2:03:58
  think of the nutty people that believe in Dean. Yeah,
• 2:04:00
  you know, the Satan worshiping kind, and yeah, they think
• 2:04:04
  of all kinds of weird stuff when it comes to Christianity.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: Dude, I get it, But that to this is there's
• 2:04:10
  a there's a scientific approach here that you could take,
• 2:04:14
  which is go to I can't believe I'm about to
• 2:04:17
  say this, go to a Catholic mass, and and and
• 2:04:22
  the last. What's interesting is all the masses are the
• 2:04:25
  same around the planet. The last one I went to,
• 2:04:28
  you know what, they were saying, help people, help the poor.
• 2:04:32
  You know what I mean, they weren't. There's nobody's dancing around,
• 2:04:35
  no jet skis, there's no you know what I mean,
• 2:04:38
  no guy in a glittery fucking vest. It was just
• 2:04:41
  it was it was really just talking about how important
• 2:04:44
  it is to help poor people. That's it. Some like
• 2:04:48
  you know, some a choir singing like none of that
• 2:04:52
  was happening. And really, when you think about the fact
• 2:04:55
  that how many Catholic churches there are that day on planet,
• 2:05:01
  all the people representing all levels of economic status or
• 2:05:07
  being told you could do more to help poor people
• 2:05:11
  than you're doing right now, all over the planet.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: Right, But it's also connected to a lot of horrible
• 2:05:18
  stuff that was done to kids. And that's the problem
• 2:05:20
  with Catholic church period. Dude. It's not it's not all
• 2:05:25
  of them, but it's there's a number of them fucked up.
• 2:05:29
  Have you ever seen that documentary. I think it's called
• 2:05:33
  Here No Evil. No, I haven't. I think that that's
• 2:05:38
  what it's called. But it's essentially following one of these people.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: Dude, it's horrible.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: It's it's so dark.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: It's horrible.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: It's so dark. And it was, you know, like that
• 2:05:51
  was one of the criticisms of rightful criticisms about Ratzinger.
• 2:05:55
  He was involved in moving people.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: Around, messed up.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he was wanted for crimes against humanity
• 2:06:02
  by some country.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: But then you talk to Catholics about it, at which
• 2:06:05
  I have, of course, and their response is never like
• 2:06:10
  defending it. They're all like fuck that, Like there's the
• 2:06:13
  other ideas that like the Catholics all agree on, like
• 2:06:17
  this or that. Of course fucking don't, and they hate it.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: Don't you think that it's kind of crazy too. If
• 2:06:24
  someone wants to be a priest, you can't have a life,
• 2:06:26
  you can't have a wife, you can't have a family,
• 2:06:29
  you can't you have to be celibate. I think that alone,
• 2:06:33
  that rule that they institute alone made a kookie. It
• 2:06:37
  made it really crazy because like, you're only inviting people
• 2:06:40
  to be a priest that are willing to go through that.
• 2:06:43
  Whereas you meet preachers and you know, you go to
• 2:06:47
  a good church and there's a guy who's a preacher
• 2:06:49
  and he's a really charismatic person. He really believes in
• 2:06:51
  the Lord, and he's really entertaining. Got a wife and
• 2:06:55
  a family, tell stories about his family. Like, yeah, that's
• 2:06:58
  a lot more normal, engaging, and it makes more sense totally.
• 2:07:03
  This whole celibacy thing is crazy. And it didn't It
• 2:07:07
  was a rule that somebody instituted because the priests were
• 2:07:10
  banging all the ladies. They were fucking rock stars.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: They don't look at it as a rule. They called
• 2:07:15
  it discipline.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: That's how the.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: Officially have to be disciplined.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and that nuts because for sure that
• 2:07:22
  discipline is being taken out on some people that didn't
• 2:07:24
  want it, and that's part of the problem. But then
• 2:07:26
  there's autos, secret babies that nuns have.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: With one of the popes, one of the popes, dude.
• 2:07:33
  You know how I know it's one of the popes
• 2:07:34
  that had secret babies because I talked to a priest
• 2:07:37
  about it and he was telling somebody I don't know.
• 2:07:39
  I was like, I can't remember, but it's nuts.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: It's nuts to require and it's gonna it's gonna like
• 2:07:46
  it's gonna attract sexual deviance.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent. You gotta be careful out there, man.
• 2:07:50
  And it's like anytime there's hierarchy, anytime there's bureaucracy, anytime
• 2:07:54
  there's organizations, especially anytime there's mysticism, it's going to be infiltrated.
• 2:08:00
  That's an inevitability.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: And then in my hope, imagine if they just opened
• 2:08:04
  it up where they said, listen, we're going to drop
• 2:08:06
  that you guys can have wives now, and those poor
• 2:08:09
  dorks gotta start dating at forty.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: That's a good movie.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be a good movie if they changed it.
• 2:08:15
  And like a priest is like I always wanted to
• 2:08:16
  find a wife and have a family before it's too late.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, no idea, what I do? Agree with you?
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: Though I never even seen a tit do you need?
• 2:08:23
  How about that you need? But he's a real priest,
• 2:08:26
  like really really really got into it when he was young,
• 2:08:29
  decided when he was a boy, I'm gonna keep my
• 2:08:32
  thoughts pure, wild, all for Jesus. Never seen a boob, dude,
• 2:08:35
  Never never touched in erect nipple, never felt it. Never
• 2:08:41
  never kissed a lady. She wants to kiss your back.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: Lapped up squirre, poor boy, dude.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: It's straining of Jesus and then all of a sudden
• 2:08:51
  at forty some comes along like Steve Croll in that
• 2:08:54
  movie forty year Old Virgin.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: Oh dude, really, I don't know, man, Like I don't.
• 2:08:59
  That part of it to me is always seem like,
• 2:09:01
  you know, how can you? This is the other thing, man,
• 2:09:05
  with the declining birth rates and people not being able
• 2:09:07
  to have kids or not wanting to have kids because
• 2:09:09
  it's too fucking expensive. It's like, it's worrisome to me
• 2:09:14
  because ever since I had kids, you like have a
• 2:09:17
  whole different connection to the world than when you don't
• 2:09:21
  have kids. And it humanizes you. It grounds you in
• 2:09:25
  the earth. All your chips are on the fucking table, man,
• 2:09:28
  And it's intense, and I do think like as a
• 2:09:32
  spiritual god to people, it does make me scratch my chin.
• 2:09:37
  It's like, you have never been around a third trimester
• 2:09:42
  pregnant person who just found out there might be mice
• 2:09:46
  in the house. You don't know. That's like, man, you
• 2:09:51
  don't want to be around that. That's collige, Man, you
• 2:09:54
  don't want to be around that and all the other
• 2:09:55
  things that go around along with being married and having
• 2:09:58
  kids and all the heights and lof and all the
• 2:10:01
  shit you learned about yourself. I do feel like you're
• 2:10:05
  by not letting them have families, you were kind of
• 2:10:10
  keeping them out of this part of the human experience
• 2:10:15
  that is really good for people like you need that,
• 2:10:19
  You need to know what that's like. It's important.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. It helps you grow
• 2:10:26
  as a human. It changes your perspective on things. You know.
• 2:10:29
  One of the things that people always say, I don't
• 2:10:30
  want to have kids, you know, I think bringing a
• 2:10:33
  child into this world today is a terrible idea. I'm like,
• 2:10:37
  people had people before they figured out doors. That's why
• 2:10:42
  we're here. We're here. People had babies on dirt floors
• 2:10:49
  in caves, and that's why we're here. You know, why
• 2:10:51
  would you want to have a child today? With all
• 2:10:53
  the fucking books and medicine and shit like, why would
• 2:10:56
  you want to do that? Why would you with all
• 2:10:58
  the education and all the interesting people that are alive.
• 2:11:01
  Do you like people? I love people. I could never
• 2:11:05
  be a hermit. I love people too. I love hanging
• 2:11:08
  out like, I love having fun. I love meeting people
• 2:11:13
  that are fun. I love it. The only way that
• 2:11:15
  happens is if people make people. You have to make
• 2:11:18
  cool people, make cool people that other people want to
• 2:11:21
  hang out with. Yeah, And you know that sounds overly simplified,
• 2:11:25
  because it is. Yeah, for sure, there's some circumstances where
• 2:11:29
  that's not an option and it's not possible, and you're
• 2:11:31
  you're living in a fucking terrible state, terrible state of life, right.
• 2:11:35
  You could be in the worst, most abusive environments. And
• 2:11:40
  that's the real problem in this world is that we
• 2:11:43
  allow those places to exist. Why we think about things
• 2:11:47
  that are just bananas, think about like wealth extraction and
• 2:11:52
  pulling stuff out of the ocean and figuring out to
• 2:11:54
  do this and that, and spending all this money on
• 2:11:56
  this and that and defense and this and that, and
• 2:11:58
  the completely ignoring the people on your timeline that are
• 2:12:05
  in life or death struggle through no fault of their own.
• 2:12:09
  They were just born into the wrong family, in the
• 2:12:11
  wrong neighborhood, in the wrong timeline, and they're fucked. And
• 2:12:16
  the only difference to you and them is you got
• 2:12:18
  lucky and you were born in a good timeline and
• 2:12:21
  your life, you got lucky. You live with nice people. Yeah,
• 2:12:25
  but they got fucked. And if we allow that to
• 2:12:29
  continue to happen, you're always going to have the same
• 2:12:32
  kind of problems over and over and over again. There's
• 2:12:36
  got to be a way to at least tilt that
• 2:12:39
  in a positive direction and build on it and actually
• 2:12:44
  have businesses that are financially incentivized for success, like they
• 2:12:50
  make more money. If people get jobs, they make more money.
• 2:12:53
  If people get good grades, they make more money. If
• 2:12:56
  they could figure out a way to transform crime ridden,
• 2:12:59
  gang ridden neighborhoods and to places where people are thriving
• 2:13:03
  and happy.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: There's got to be away.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: Got to be away. There's got to be people like
• 2:13:07
  that place that I was telling you about in Oakley,
• 2:13:09
  that video where they're driving through the shanty towns and
• 2:13:12
  then immediately they get to this totally clean environment that's
• 2:13:16
  you know, run by different politicians that this's There's got
• 2:13:19
  to be a way to do that. There's got to
• 2:13:22
  be a way to engineer our society in a more
• 2:13:26
  positive direction. There's got to be, dude.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: The first step is you've got to turn your back
• 2:13:36
  on the state. You cannot believe the state is going
• 2:13:39
  to do this because I think people are waiting for
• 2:13:42
  a top down solution. They're waiting for a man, what's
• 2:13:46
  his name, The New York dude, or they're waiting for
• 2:13:48
  someone to like sign the right series of documents and
• 2:13:51
  everything's fine. It's in meanwhile, they're like in their fucking
• 2:13:56
  high rise with crustages on their belly, posting shit on Reddit.
• 2:14:01
  It's like, really, it's this is gonna be all hands
• 2:14:05
  on deck. It's like, maybe the federal government is gonna
• 2:14:08
  figure out the perfect way to educate and house and
• 2:14:12
  clothes and all this stuff, and that'll be great. But
• 2:14:15
  in the meantime, every single one of us, every single
• 2:14:19
  one of us, could do something, not a big deal,
• 2:14:22
  not a big thing, but something and instead of it,
• 2:14:26
  like it's like when they say the government shut down
• 2:14:30
  the national parks, there's trash. I saw a picture trash
• 2:14:34
  around a dumpster, and it's like, uh, any one of
• 2:14:37
  us could drive a truck up to that fucking dumpster
• 2:14:41
  and clean up that trash. Why are we waiting for
• 2:14:44
  the federal government to do this shit. That's the problem
• 2:14:47
  is the federal government's got us all hypnotized into thinking
• 2:14:51
  we need them to do these things. And I would,
• 2:14:54
  by the way, that'd be great. I think people living
• 2:14:57
  next to an open air drug market slash mental asylum
• 2:15:02
  would be quite pleased if the taxes that they were
• 2:15:05
  paying went towards getting these people medical care somewhere far
• 2:15:09
  away from their apartment. Yeah, not gonna happen.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: You can count on us.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: So in the meantime, what do we do? And you
• 2:15:20
  know that's a I was like watching doom Scroll and
• 2:15:24
  looking at all the like the Oakland videos and stuff.
• 2:15:26
  This dude's interviewing people out there soup kitchens giving out food,
• 2:15:31
  and boy, that'll make you feel like a piece of shit.
• 2:15:34
  This guy's just helping. This is nobody. This is like
• 2:15:37
  you'll never hear. This guy's not filming themselves, taking fucking
• 2:15:40
  self He's telling the stupid story at the time he
• 2:15:42
  gave am sandwich to someone with this kid like I
• 2:15:44
  did in the beginning. This is just people out there.
• 2:15:46
  The interview this guy, why are you doing this? And
• 2:15:49
  he's like, I mean, it just seems like that's what
• 2:15:51
  you're supposed to do.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: It's so basic and simple and that that exists, that exists,
• 2:15:58
  and that doesn't get highlighted. Don't get that in your algorithm. No,
• 2:16:01
  you don't get it in your More of that your algorithm,
• 2:16:04
  you'd realize like, oh, there's good people out there still.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: And I'm one of them, and you can help, like,
• 2:16:10
  and you don't have to film it, you don't have
• 2:16:11
  to do it for any reason. And dude, the moment,
• 2:16:14
  we don't even know what would happen if under the
• 2:16:19
  yolk of whatever the regime happens to be, instead of
• 2:16:23
  instead of flapping our fucking like fireworks in front of ice,
• 2:16:30
  you know, if like all of us were just going
• 2:16:32
  out there and like, I don't know, I don't know.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: I can bear it.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: I suck at all most things, dudes, But it's like,
• 2:16:38
  it's not that hard to like give water to people
• 2:16:41
  out there. And yeah, some of them are fucking terrifying.
• 2:16:44
  They seem like they're possessed by demons. I'm surprised you
• 2:16:47
  don't believe in demons, but but uh, but you know
• 2:16:50
  it's not don't you believe in demons?
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: Uh, I'm agnostic on the possibility of demons. I definitely
• 2:16:58
  believe in good and evil, though I believe there's a
• 2:17:02
  I believe evil thoughts can get into people's minds and
• 2:17:06
  then if you follow that down a long life, you
• 2:17:10
  can get to a pretty evil place. That's how you
• 2:17:12
  get to a dictator. You know, I think that's real,
• 2:17:16
  and I think especially if you're involved in evil acts.
• 2:17:19
  So say, imagine and you start off in some sort
• 2:17:23
  of military and you're in a foreign country and you're
• 2:17:27
  killing a bunch of people, and then you take over
• 2:17:29
  a town, and then you know, things escalate and you
• 2:17:32
  continue your career doing horrible things for a decade after decade,
• 2:17:36
  and then you start to get into power, and then
• 2:17:38
  you get into political power, and then you start running
• 2:17:40
  the country, and then you overthrow the government and then
• 2:17:42
  you become a dictator and then you do horrible shit,
• 2:17:46
  horrible shit. You're sodomusean right you have your sons are
• 2:17:50
  feeding women to dogs in the basement. Yeah, the real horrible, horrible,
• 2:17:55
  horrible shit. Yeah, that is that is evil. That Like
• 2:18:00
  I had Jack Carr, the author, on the podcast yesterday.
• 2:18:03
  What did he write? He wrote of The Terminalist, that
• 2:18:06
  Amazon series, it's he's a great it's the one that
• 2:18:11
  Chris Pratt plays and that Amazon series. Okay, it's really good,
• 2:18:15
  but the books are amazing. He's and he's a super
• 2:18:18
  fucking cool guy. Anyway, he said, you know, he went
• 2:18:21
  to those palaces because he was a seal and he
• 2:18:24
  was in the war, and he went to those palaces
• 2:18:26
  and says, you can feel the evil. He said, you
• 2:18:29
  feel it, he said, especially the kids, the sons Uda
• 2:18:33
  and Cuse. They were monsters, serial killer monsters, the sons
• 2:18:39
  of the dictator. They would find women while they were
• 2:18:41
  getting married. They would take the woman, They'd rape the
• 2:18:44
  woman and then feed them to their dogs. They had
• 2:18:47
  these dogs that they would feed people to.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, fuck yeah. I think that that scene
• 2:18:57
  in Game of Thrones, Like you remember that scene in
• 2:19:01
  Game of Thrones where he would do that. There was
• 2:19:03
  one of the evil dudes. Yeah, cut that guy's and
• 2:19:05
  feed people do his dogs. That's a real thing, man,
• 2:19:09
  He really did that. Yeah, that's that is one hundred
• 2:19:14
  percent evil. Now is that demons inside of him? I
• 2:19:17
  don't know. I tend to think. I think I tend
• 2:19:22
  to think evils in all of us. It's just who
• 2:19:25
  doesn't get cultivated and what what cultivates it, what makes it?
• 2:19:29
  What makes it? You know, over time, over a long
• 2:19:33
  history of seeing and doing horrible things, I think you
• 2:19:36
  can get to a place of unbelievable evil. You think
• 2:19:39
  about Jengis Khan, Think about what that guy did while
• 2:19:42
  he was alive, where he killed ten percent of the
• 2:19:44
  population of Earth. I mean, if that's not evil, like
• 2:19:48
  what is like? What is? What is it?
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: They would they would light people on fire and use
• 2:19:54
  them as catapults to light houses on fire. So they'd
• 2:19:58
  put him in catapults and launched corpses, flaming corpses, and
• 2:20:03
  they would land on these thatched roofs and start the
• 2:20:06
  houses on fire. Right, right, they would take people and
• 2:20:11
  they would kidnap them. Right. So, they would sack a
• 2:20:14
  town and they'd take all the people, and everybody that
• 2:20:16
  gave in and surrendered, they would put them at the
• 2:20:19
  front of the line, and then they would start attacking
• 2:20:21
  the city and all the people would just get crushed
• 2:20:23
  by the enemy. So by the time, they just pushed
• 2:20:26
  them forward, so they would get thousands of people in
• 2:20:28
  front of them and push them into a city, and
• 2:20:31
  those people are just getting hacked apart because there's people
• 2:20:34
  that are trying to stop the siege, and those are
• 2:20:36
  the people that are getting killed, and so they're like
• 2:20:38
  human shields, and then they're trampling over their dead bodies
• 2:20:42
  to destroy the entire city. Right, If that's not evil,
• 2:20:46
  If that's not evil, like what's evil like to them?
• 2:20:49
  That was their destiny and that happened Jingis concept. One
• 2:20:54
  of his quotes was crazy. It was you must have
• 2:20:57
  I'm paraphrasing it. We could find it. I'm sure you
• 2:21:00
  must have done something horribly wrong for God to send me.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: How was that letter to the pope? Isn't that the
• 2:21:09
  letter he wrote to the pope?
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know who it wrote it to?
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: One of them.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: Takedown to see if you can find that it's but
• 2:21:14
  it's from like the do you know that what they
• 2:21:18
  know about the Mongols came from like one diary that
• 2:21:21
  they found in like the eighteen hundreds, Like there was
• 2:21:24
  so little known about Djengis Khan. They don't know where
• 2:21:28
  he was buried.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: He still don't know.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: They have no idea. They killed They killed the people
• 2:21:32
  that took him there so that they couldn't tell, And
• 2:21:35
  then more people came and killed the people that killed
• 2:21:37
  the people, right, so that they couldn't.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: Tell, right, I think didn't they kill themselves after killing
• 2:21:43
  the people too?
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: Like it was just like something nutty like that. It's
• 2:21:46
  like fucking wild, fucking wild. Yeah, what is that quote
• 2:21:51
  that he had about God? Sending me. It's when you
• 2:21:56
  think about who that motherfucker was. I mean, he's the
• 2:21:59
  mother of all motherfuckers. I mean, the greatest warlord of
• 2:22:03
  all time. He is the goat. Yeah man to the
• 2:22:07
  point where people don't even consider him evil, right, you don't.
• 2:22:10
  People don't think of Jengis Khan as evil. Think of
• 2:22:12
  it was Hitler as evil. Right, But Jengis Khan is
• 2:22:14
  just this conqueror God, right. I Meanwhile, he killed so
• 2:22:18
  many d million people, many people. He changed the carbon
• 2:22:22
  footprint of earth when they do, like when they look
• 2:22:26
  at the carbon footprint of earth during his time, cities regreened.
• 2:22:32
  You could said there's a noticeable amount. Yeah, because cities
• 2:22:36
  were destroyed and the nature just absorbed them and trees
• 2:22:40
  grew in their place. I am the punishment of God.
• 2:22:44
  If you had not committed great sins, God would not
• 2:22:48
  have sent a punishment like me upon you. Jesus, I
• 2:22:52
  am the punishment of God. Imagine if that's how you
• 2:22:56
  justify just wholesale slaughter of everybody in a city and
• 2:23:00
  stacking the bones up, stacking the bones up so high
• 2:23:04
  that the Shaw of Charisma sent an envoy to go
• 2:23:08
  and talk to uh whoever was running gin China, and
• 2:23:12
  along the way they thought they saw a like a
• 2:23:17
  snow capped mountain, and as they got closer they realized
• 2:23:20
  it was a stack of bones.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: God damn it, it was.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: A million people. They killed a million people and stacked
• 2:23:26
  them in the middle of the city.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: God, that must have taken forever, forever. Whose job is that, bro?
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: They killed everyone on the road. They had to abandon
• 2:23:35
  their wagons because the wagons were stuck in the muck
• 2:23:38
  of decaying people. They couldn't pull the wagons anymore because
• 2:23:43
  all the roads had deteriorated into muck.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, when you look back at shit
• 2:23:49
  like that, we're doing pretty good right now, We're doing
• 2:23:52
  pretty good. We're doing pretty good. That is that is
• 2:23:56
  horrifying you.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: That is if that's not evil, what's evil? Well, that
• 2:23:59
  is that's evil.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: That is evil, and that what's you know, what's interesting
• 2:24:05
  is people, I think, like around the world, regardless of
• 2:24:10
  the culture that you're raising, we all have a similar
• 2:24:12
  sense of evil versus good. That's where it gets curious.
• 2:24:15
  It's like people. It seems like people have a sense
• 2:24:18
  of like it isn't good, for example, to like fuck
• 2:24:23
  a dog corpse. I bet you could go all around
• 2:24:25
  the planet.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: Most people say, that's bad.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: Most people are gonna don't do that. Don't don't fuck
• 2:24:30
  dog corpses. Like if you see a dead dog, don't
• 2:24:32
  fuck it's ass.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: And if you see that a guy's doing that, you go,
• 2:24:35
  that guy's a problem.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: That guy's a problem. You don't want to have to
• 2:24:38
  take that guy out, don't hire him. Yeah, And so
• 2:24:41
  there seems to be built into as a sense of
• 2:24:43
  like harmony and how to do it and what it
• 2:24:45
  looks like. And then there's examples like you just described.
• 2:24:49
  It's like that's one of the things we can also do. Yeah,
• 2:24:53
  who would have been fun to be Gingiskan though?
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: Right? Could you imagine being in that possing and knowing
• 2:24:59
  what you're gonna do? And also just the fucking the
• 2:25:02
  fact that some insane percentage of people worldwide have his
• 2:25:07
  DNA because he had that many kids.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: Just fucking when he's not killing, he's just fucking.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 1: That's all he lived for. He just lived to fuck
• 2:25:15
  and to kill.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: How did he have time to plan war?
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was a brilliant strategist, That's what the
• 2:25:20
  crazy thing is. Like they did a lot of sneaky shit,
• 2:25:22
  like they led people. They had like small packs that
• 2:25:25
  would lead people into the mountains and then they would
• 2:25:27
  have a giant pack of people waiting for him and
• 2:25:29
  then just fucking come down off the hills and engulf them.
• 2:25:33
  They did brilliant shit. Man, They waited people out. Is there?
• 2:25:37
  They drank the blood of their horses to stay. They
• 2:25:41
  ate their horses, They ate each other. Apparently there was
• 2:25:43
  some cannibalism that was reported.
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: Is there a movie like why haven't they made like
• 2:25:48
  a Game of Throne style series?
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: There was one pretty decent movie, but in order for
• 2:25:54
  the movie to be realistic, it would have to be
• 2:25:57
  so hardcore, right, and it would be really problematic because
• 2:26:01
  it involves a lot of rape. There's a lot of
• 2:26:04
  rape and a lot of horrible, horrible murders. And one
• 2:26:08
  of the things they did was they had some rule
• 2:26:10
  where like with kings and emperors, they weren't allowed to
• 2:26:13
  chop them up, so they would kill them in different
• 2:26:15
  ways instead of like attacking them with swords or whatever.
• 2:26:18
  They would do it. They would do that, or sometimes
• 2:26:22
  they would just stack their bodies and then build like
• 2:26:26
  a floor above them and eat on top of them
• 2:26:29
  until they crushed them to death. So they would build
• 2:26:33
  a platform over their bodies, just crush them with the
• 2:26:36
  weight of these timbers. These people would be moaning while
• 2:26:39
  they were eating.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: Do you think that's real?
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's documented. Wow man, Yeah, the people that survived.
• 2:26:49
  That's one of the things they would also do. Let
• 2:26:51
  some people survive to tell the stories. Geez, just run
• 2:26:55
  tell everyone.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: And of course, like if you're at that dinner, you're
• 2:26:58
  not going to like complain about it, Like.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: Shit, you probably get off on it by now. He've
• 2:27:04
  probably been doing it for a decade, probably been killing
• 2:27:07
  people everywhere you go. They lived in felt tents and
• 2:27:11
  they were nomads, so they had no real home, and
• 2:27:14
  they went wherever the fuck they went, and everywhere they
• 2:27:16
  went they killed everybody.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: Fuck. That is incredible.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: It's a crazy story. And the story of Djengis Khan.
• 2:27:25
  His name was Temujin. He started off as a young
• 2:27:27
  boy and he had a brother that was a cocksucker,
• 2:27:30
  and his brother was like stealing his fish and beating
• 2:27:32
  his ass. And one day he killed his brother and
• 2:27:35
  his mother freaked out and said, you motherfucker, you devil.
• 2:27:39
  You know. He started off young. Is the point. Yeah,
• 2:27:42
  started off young.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, weren't it wasn't his family really poor?
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole story. It's crazy. His mother had to
• 2:27:49
  run because his father was killed and his mother had
• 2:27:52
  to run. They barely survived. They were left out there
• 2:27:55
  to die.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: But don't people.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: He's sort of oh, yeah, that's what's crazy. There's there's
• 2:28:02
  statues of them in Mongolia. Yeah. Yeah, well listen he
• 2:28:06
  historically he was doing what everybody else was doing. He
• 2:28:10
  was just doing it better. They were all doing that
• 2:28:12
  when the Shaw of Charisma sent the envoy Charisma, Charisma
• 2:28:17
  is a it was a country. Who's the CHARISMI in Shaw?
• 2:28:20
  It doesn't exist anymore. What is it now? Is it
• 2:28:23
  like Siria or something? You know a lot of those
• 2:28:26
  countries they changed names. Is what was charisma with a Q?
• 2:28:31
  Quarism quorism. I'm i saying it wrong. I don't think
• 2:28:35
  it exists anymore. I'm sorry.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: If it does, might be one of them weird ones
• 2:28:38
  Shaw of Charisma.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: But anyway, this dude was seeing like whether or not
• 2:28:43
  they could sack Gin. You know, they were going to
• 2:28:45
  visit to see, like like, let's take a look and
• 2:28:47
  see what their defenses are like and we'll bring some
• 2:28:50
  fucking carpets and some nice stuff and give them a
• 2:28:52
  little gift, and they come back and fuck them up
• 2:28:54
  like that was the standard move right. And when they
• 2:28:57
  were on their way, they're like the Mongols already got there,
• 2:29:00
  already too late.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, holy fuck man.
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 1: If they had ever gotten into Europe, it would have
• 2:29:06
  been over.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: I thought they did get to year No, but I
• 2:29:08
  mean if they.
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 1: Went into Italy, if they went into like Rome and
• 2:29:11
  the Vatican, it would have been over.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: Didn't he conquer more land mass than any other human?
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: Didn't at some point?
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's something like that present day Central Asia,
• 2:29:22
  Afghanistan and Iran from zero one zero seven seven to
• 2:29:27
  twelve thirty one. Interesting, So that was the Coarismian Empire
• 2:29:31
  whoa so from one thy seventy seven to twelve thirty one,
• 2:29:38
  first as vassals of this how do you say that word?
• 2:29:40
  Sel Djuk Empire and the Kara Kitai Western Lyle dynasty
• 2:29:48
  from circa eleven ninety as independent rulers up until the
• 2:29:51
  Mongolian conquest in twelve nineteen to twelve twenty one. Holy Mongolan,
• 2:29:57
  the Mongolians took them over.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: Dude, This is why I think people really get weirdly
• 2:30:08
  disturbed by Graham Hancock, because it's it's like, it's like
• 2:30:12
  you don't want to think about it. You don't want
• 2:30:14
  to think about the fact that there are all these empires.
• 2:30:19
  Forget the Charismians. There's all these empires. No one knows
• 2:30:22
  what the fuck they were doing or who they were nothing,
• 2:30:25
  and they were just like us. They were talking, having conversations,
• 2:30:30
  si having fun with their boys, never thinking, like you know,
• 2:30:34
  at some point people are gonna be staring at the
• 2:30:36
  ruins of our temples, scratching their chins, wondering what this means. Dude,
• 2:30:43
  That to me is another unifying thought or planetary unification
• 2:30:50
  is like, Man, you guys, nobody to this day knows
• 2:30:53
  who built those fucking pyramids, and they they If you
• 2:30:57
  are like living around the pyramids, I doubt the thought
• 2:31:02
  ever crossed your mind at some point. Mister Beasts is
• 2:31:10
  gonna be an episode of his YouTube show. I almost
• 2:31:15
  went with him, mister bees.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I almost went during that trip because I couldn't.
• 2:31:19
  I couldn't swing it. I didn't have the time.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: Damn, dude, that's that sucks. You should But.
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: Also I didn't want to do it that way.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: If I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it for
• 2:31:29
  quite a few days. And I'm gonna do it with
• 2:31:31
  like an expert, like a Bend, you know from Uncharted X,
• 2:31:36
  like one of those dudes, or Graham. If Graham has
• 2:31:38
  the time, I know he's very busy, but he goes
• 2:31:40
  there all the time. Right, I would do that. But
• 2:31:45
  what do you think about those structures underneath?
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: I pray that they're real.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 1: Did you see Van Kirkwick's video? Have the video about
• 2:31:52
  the labyriniths? Can we?
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: I just know I just read it.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 1: I had him on the podcast. There's labyrinus that they've
• 2:32:00
  discovered that are underneath that are historic. Herodotus talked about them.
• 2:32:05
  He said they're greater than the pyramids. The structure underneath
• 2:32:09
  some of the pyramids greater than the pyramids. And through
• 2:32:12
  this ground penetrating radar, they've found a forty meter long
• 2:32:18
  metallic tic tac shaped object that is in this great
• 2:32:23
  hall that's under the ground. So all this stuff exists.
• 2:32:27
  But they made a dam on the Nile River in
• 2:32:33
  the nineteen sixties to help agriculture, and it changed the
• 2:32:36
  water table and it flooded all these underground labyrinths, whereas
• 2:32:40
  dam so they would have. It's like a massive undertaking
• 2:32:44
  to try to escavate and figure out what's in there.
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 2: Can't you put a drone like no, no, no water.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 1: You have to actually go through the water and then
• 2:32:51
  below that to where the labyrinths.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 2: Take through the mud.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: They might actually be able to channel underneath that, they think,
• 2:32:58
  and go below the water table and then go to
• 2:33:01
  it because it appears like the water is not in
• 2:33:03
  the labyrinth itself, Labyrinth of Labyrinth, sorry, thank you, but
• 2:33:08
  whatever it is, there's a forty meter long metallic object
• 2:33:12
  of unknown origin that's the shape of a tic tac
• 2:33:15
  that's in there. This is real.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: This is real, like because I forty.
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 1: Meters dude, This guy is so legit. Ben is the
• 2:33:23
  Uncharted X is a fantastic YouTube channel.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: What the fuck this is all?
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 1: Like? Real science is the same kind of science that
• 2:33:29
  they're using to figure out what the fuck is under
• 2:33:31
  the Great Pyramid, all those those weird I thought.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 2: That was debunked and I was disappointed by that.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 1: No, it's not debunked, not at all. No, the images
• 2:33:39
  have been verified multiple times. They don't know what it is,
• 2:33:43
  But there's some structure underneath the pyramid. See those columns
• 2:33:48
  are real. There really are columns underneath the pyramids, and
• 2:33:51
  it really does go down deep into the earth. They
• 2:33:53
  just don't know what it is. But the same technology
• 2:33:56
  they've they've observed all of the different like where they
• 2:34:00
  know where there's special chambers that are sealed off. They
• 2:34:02
  know where those things are. But they saw it with
• 2:34:04
  the radio tomography. They also were able to use it
• 2:34:07
  to identify temples that were twenty five and fifty feet underground.
• 2:34:11
  So it's it's it's accurate.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: Give me on this break man.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 1: How is that know?
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: I cause, like I was so excited when that came out.
• 2:34:18
  I'm like, I knew it. I've seen it on ketamine
• 2:34:21
  and then did you what did you see? It's hard
• 2:34:25
  to explain. It's like, uh, structures, let me reiterate. This
• 2:34:30
  was in the K hole. But it was like vast
• 2:34:34
  cavernous spaces with structures in it. And you know, the
• 2:34:39
  weird thing about ketamine is it's kind of like you're
• 2:34:41
  being given a tour and then you sort of it's
• 2:34:44
  like a viewfinder. You remote viewed, maybe I remote viewed.
• 2:34:49
  It was very exciting to see it was.
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 1: Under the pyramids.
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: It was under the pyramids. But I must say the
• 2:34:55
  next thing I saw was like a city being powered
• 2:34:57
  by meat. So it's not exactly like my remote viewing.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's what you're gonna do with the homeless problem.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 2: Ah, and Joe Rogan solves the homeless problem.
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's what the alien agenda is. Well, I mean,
• 2:35:11
  the power of the city looks we'll take care of
• 2:35:13
  your problems.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 2: Dude, this is really I am not comfortable with this
• 2:35:19
  comment Atlas, I know, and I like.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 1: You know. I've got Avi Lobe coming on to talk
• 2:35:24
  about it.
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 2: He's amazing. I had him on my podcast a long
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  time ago. He put up with my A lot of.
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  Speaker 1: People in the beginning were saying that it's bullshit, it's
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  a comment. Why is he saying this, He's risking his reputation.
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  But then as time's going on, they go, this is weird.
• 2:35:35
  This thing's really weird.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's the what Okay. First of all, it's important
• 2:35:40
  to note that one thing that titilates my dumb ass
• 2:35:45
  is it just so apps the government shut down coincides
• 2:35:49
  with when we could use the satellites on Mars to
• 2:35:52
  get pictures of that fucking thing. So we're not getting pictures.
• 2:35:54
  They did release the picture of it yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: The government shutdown is stopping us from getting pictures of
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  this thing. Yes, yes, that's insane.
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  Speaker 2: That's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's so insane. They should open that up.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it seems like they they just that's really
• 2:36:10
  weird there. Did you see the images that just came
• 2:36:12
  in though the Europeans got an image of it. It's
• 2:36:15
  weird looking, it's weird looking, but I don't know what
• 2:36:17
  a comet looks like.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know what a comet looks like, and
• 2:36:19
  I don't know why it's weirder than other comments.
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  Speaker 2: But it doesn't seem like it's going it's like rolling
• 2:36:24
  in a weird way. But it's the it's the gas, right,
• 2:36:26
  It's like it's what it's releasing. Is the weird part.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 1: Well, the weird part is coming from the same part
• 2:36:31
  of the universe where the WOW signal came from.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's weird, that's weird. That's fucking weird.
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 1: That's weird because that WOW signal what it was like
• 2:36:39
  seventy seconds long, some very strange coded signal. It was
• 2:36:44
  seventy seconds long.
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  Speaker 2: You know what else is weird? As Jeremy Corbell said,
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  a bunch of people are going to start saying there's
• 2:36:49
  a mothership coming to earth and don't believe him.
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 1: Remember he was saying that, Yeah, what's that all about?
• 2:36:54
  Why did he know that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You got to tell people why you know something like that.
• 2:37:00
  He can't just say that, well, you know what I mean, like,
• 2:37:03
  how do you know? How do you know that it's
• 2:37:05
  not really a mothership? How do you know they're going
• 2:37:07
  to say it's a mother show?
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 2: Well, Corbell, he's got to do this tightrope walk because
• 2:37:11
  somehow he does have inside contact. But if he says
• 2:37:16
  too much, he puts his whole life in danger.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: It's a spy TV show, dude. So much of it
• 2:37:23
  seems like a spy TV show. So much of it
• 2:37:26
  seems like a well written sigh op.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 2: It's so weird.
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so weird. Don't think it's a slow trickle
• 2:37:32
  of disclosure. It's a slow recognition that we're not alone,
• 2:37:37
  that they've calculated that the only way to do this
• 2:37:40
  and not disrupt society entirely, you know, how put off?
• 2:37:43
  Do you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 1: Do you know that story about how when he was
• 2:37:48
  George Bush, the original Herbert Walker, he wanted to disclose.
• 2:37:53
  And what they were going to say was, we have
• 2:37:55
  recovered crashed UFOs that we have back engineered, and we
• 2:37:58
  have biological entities, are things that are not of this world,
• 2:38:02
  and they're far more intelligent than us. It brought in
• 2:38:05
  a bunch of scientists and a bunch of scholars, and
• 2:38:07
  I want, I want you to write down on the
• 2:38:10
  positives and the negatives of society, like the societal impact
• 2:38:13
  of disclosure, and give a numerical value to what is
• 2:38:16
  going to do the financial world, what is going to
• 2:38:18
  do the religious world, was going to do to government?
• 2:38:22
  And at the end they all had the same conclusion.
• 2:38:25
  The cons far outweighed the pros in terms of disruption
• 2:38:29
  of society, so they decided not to release it. Dude,
• 2:38:32
  what the fuck is that wild? Like they almost did that?
• 2:38:35
  What was that, George Bush? It was like ninety nineteen
• 2:38:37
  ninety Maybe, Yeah, it's really weird, Like is that crazy?
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 2: If our entire society depends on protecting billionaire pedophiles and
• 2:38:49
  not talking about aliens, then maybe we need a new society.
• 2:38:53
  Just maybe this is a fucked up society.
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 1: Or this's a good time for Jesus to come back.
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 2: Perfect time, always a time.
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  Speaker 1: Also perfect because you'd have to really believe, because with
• 2:39:03
  AI today you don't know what the fuck is going on,
• 2:39:06
  so you'd have to really believe. Or Jesus comes through AI.
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 2: Well, it's possible. It is possible. I mean the portal
• 2:39:18
  that opens up, that's the that's the Christ or the
• 2:39:20
  Antichrist Christ consciousness.
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: Oh well, come on, duncan really the Antichrist.
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 2: People are gonna buy more this baby home, buy more tickets.
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: In my movie.
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 2: Nobody Wants.
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 1: It all works out at the end movie fuck that
• 2:39:36
  the Battle for Satan.
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 2: Don dun don listen, man, Well, I think I think that. Uh,
• 2:39:45
  I think I'm here's a cheesy way to end it.
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 2: I feel so lucky. I'm your friend. Man, you're the coolest.
• 2:39:51
  I was thinking about it the other day. You're one
• 2:39:53
  of my you're one of my oldest friends. I've known
• 2:39:57
  you for so long, man, I know we've.
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 1: Known each other a long time. It's fucking I love
• 2:40:00
  you to death.
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: I love you too.
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 1: I'm very happy that we're friends too.
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the best, man. It is.
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because we became friends really talking on
• 2:40:10
  the phone when you were the guy taking the phone
• 2:40:13
  calls for availabilities at the comedy store.
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 2: We did this on the phone.
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 1: We basically did. We started talking. You would like, tell me, man,
• 2:40:20
  have you heard about this?
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, what is it? Yeah?
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 1: We have these long ass conversations on the phone. Yeah,
• 2:40:26
  while you were hours hours. It really was like podcasts
• 2:40:31
  back then, long before we ever went on the road together. Yeah.
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fucking cool.
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, I'm glad you're here. Man.
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 2: Well, likewise, likewise, thank you for having.
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 1: Me on my pleasure brother. It's always fun, always fun
• 2:40:42
  to hang out with you. If you're around to night,
• 2:40:45
  come to the show, ken you out.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 2: I can't because I got to wake up at like
• 2:40:48
  three am to fly. Oh where are you going tomorrow?
• 2:40:52
  I'm headed to Tacoma. Oh can I say some dates? Yeah? Yeah, shit,
• 2:40:55
  I always forget dude. You've got the most popular podcast on.
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 1: Her that you're into with this weekend where you are.
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 2: Hold on the Club. I googled it because I've been
• 2:41:03
  on the road.
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 1: So Coma's fun.
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 2: Well when does this come out tomorrow?
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 1: What? Yeah?
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 2: Ta coma coma coming in in Tacoma. I'm going to
• 2:41:12
  be in Portland is thank you Jacoma Comedy Club.
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 1: That's an awesome spot, the O.
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 2: Mama Bone Portland, Williams.
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, you're going right to the belly of the beast.
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 2: I'm excited.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 1: Perfect for your comedy. Yeah yeah, oh they got a
• 2:41:31
  Richmond one too, yeah nice. And then all of it
• 2:41:33
  is available at Duncan Trussell dot com. Thank you tour,
• 2:41:38
  my man, thank you Joe, you bye everybody.