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#38: Jens Spahn's resignation, Mayor Wegner's transition funds, Wegner's replacement and the pool at Volksbühne · 20 Percent Berlin Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: First, we want to talk about Jens Spahn,
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_01: the head of the CDU parliamentarians,
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: the conservative parliamentarians, I guess the CDU and the CSU parliamentarians.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: He was forced to resign because he and his boyfriend had a child with
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: a surrogate mother in the United States.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: Just a couple months after, he voted against making surrogate motherhood legal in Germany.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: Was it that recent?
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a couple months ago.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: Aren't they married?
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they are.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: They are married, yeah.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so, I mean, is he just, he's out of politics completely?
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, because he's still a member of parliament.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: So he's not resigning from parliament?
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: He's just resigned as head of the parliamentarians.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: And as people on Instagram pointed out,
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: this is such a classic elitist politician move of like,
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: I guess the saying is actually the mistress of a politician will always have access
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: to abortion.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's what people say.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like you can outlaw abortion, but the politician's mistress will always have access.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same thing.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like he wants to outlaw surrogacy for everybody except himself.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: He just changed his mind with him.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: But I guess his surrogate child was, I mean, already in the pipeline like years ago?
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, probably when they were,
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he was talking about it before they even, I mean, he was talking about it.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was in process when he was outlawing it for everybody else.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: Is the child already among us?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's been here.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's here.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: Georg.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: His name's Georg.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: It was funny.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: I actually, I was reading about it and I saw a headline that said Georg von Leimotor.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: In German, that actually means Georg is from a surrogate mother.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: But von Leimutter,
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: at first I thought, I actually thought for a minute, how did he adopt a royal baby?
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like with a von?
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: Aristocrat?
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: How did he get, and I was like, no man, he's from.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: So how does it work if you have a surrogate mother in the U.S.?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: You have to undergo the whole adoption process in the U.S.?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: I guess.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's the thing is it's almost impossible to adopt kids in Germany and doubly,
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: doubly impossible for a gay couple.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's ridiculously impossible to adopt kids in Germany.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, yeah, I mean,
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: I've never liked Jens Spahn,
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: but at least he's sort of living his true self now or whatever.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm always happy when people become parents.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm, I'm going to let all those other Opinions I have about him,
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: just leave him at the wayside.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: I actually think this is part of a bigger intrigue in the German government,
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: because a couple of weeks ago, Chancellor Madsen's job was actually on the line.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: There was a week where the news said,
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: hey, the CDU is debating getting rid of Mads, and there was a deafening silence.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: There was no denial about And there was nobody commenting about it.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: So there's obviously like a lot of backroom dealings going on at that time.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: And Spahn was supposedly one of the leaders of the revolt.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was really in to getting rid of Mats.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: So Mats has just been waiting for the right moment to get rid of Spahn.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: And Spahn just gave it to him.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: There was even speculation that Jens Spahn could even team up with the AFD,
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: kick out the SPD and form a new coalition, you know, with him at the top.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean...
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: But that's not happening.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, his career is kind of over, or is he going to make a comeback in 10 years or something?
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: He's still quite young.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: He's, what, 45?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I think
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: people just hate him.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: He's just so deplorable.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, because he sold, what, billions in masks to the German government?
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he just pocketed billions in taxes.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was health minister at the time, and then Germany desperately needed a mosque.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: So his partner happened to have a good connect.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's crazy.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I think he's gone.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, that brings up the next item I want to talk about.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: And it was weird when,
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: speaking of another famous resignation,
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: last week when Kai Wegener resigned,
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: just because he's been lying about the whole,
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: his response to the power outage in January, how he reacted to it.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: Which, by the way, you know what?
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: From the beginning, he should have come out and said, I misinterpreted how...
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he should have done from the beginning
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: because I didn't think it was going to be that big of a deal either.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what happened.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's just that on the other side,
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: you realize how big this was and he should have been doing more.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_01: Then he lied about not doing anything.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it says the cover up is always worse than the crime.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: You should never vote for an insurance salesman.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's from Spandau.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing against Spandau.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: Great place.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: But an insurance salesman from Spandau?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's like two.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: One red flag is okay.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: One red flag is sexy.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: Two are just a solid red flag.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: So he resigns over his,
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: not his reaction to the blackout, but his lying about his reaction to the blackout.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: And what was weird, he didn't actually resign as mayor.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was odd.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: He just said, I won't run in the next election, which is in September.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: But he did not step down as mayor, which it looked like he needed to resign.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: And why is that, Andrew?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: This professor from the Hochschule für Wirtschaft und Recht.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even know this existed.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: In German,
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: politicians,
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: at the end of their term,
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: get a thing called Übergangsgeld,
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: transition money,
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: and it's supposed to help them into their return to non-political life.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's basically 17,000 euros a month is what they get for two years.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: And they don't even have to go to the job center.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, they don't have to do it.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: They could start lobbying the next day.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: I guess they legally, they can't start lobbying for three years, but they can start lobbying.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: What if they get a new job?
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: If they get a new job, they don't have to do it?
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think you still get it.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think you still get it.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: maybe you have to buy,
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know, you have to sell, you can't wear your political clothes anymore.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: You have to buy t-shirts or something.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: And he's going to get a pension, right?
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, he doesn't get the pension because he wasn't long enough.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't there long enough.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, Like 200 and something thousand.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: 260,000 euros.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: And like every politician gets this.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy that we're talking about saving tax money.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the one thing you can get rid of because who's more qualified to go get a job
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: than like parliamentarians who,
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: by the way, are legally allowed to work while they're being parliamentarians.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: So why are they even getting it?
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to go, he can go be a lobbyist and get like, get like triple the salary.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: Going to, you know, honestly, who would hire him?
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, something, I don't know.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: Underwhelming about the man.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: Are there any car dealership chains?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's perfect for a car dealership chain.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's so sad.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's totally the kind of guy who's like, come check out our S-classes.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: Which brings us,
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  SPEAKER_00: following his announcement that he won't be running anymore,
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: the CDU's voted for his replacement.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, to run in the September 20th election.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: And that is finance and culture minister Stefan Ebers.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, do you know anything about him?
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know much about him.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: So he's from Paderborn,
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: which is a sort of sleepy,
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: nice town in West Germany, where I once went to celebrate my grandmother's birthday.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: He's a lawyer.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: He's quite right wing.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's like really like,
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: yeah, he's said stuff like we need to smoke out nests of left-wing fascists.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's quite right-wing on welfare.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: He thinks people who get Burgergeld should...
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: Work as cleaners and government buildings and stuff like that.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: He wants to cut free school meals for kids from well-off families.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: On a more positive note,
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: he's gung-ho on upgrading Berlin's IT infrastructure
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: and he supported same-sex marriage back in the day because he himself is gay.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, he supports building housing on Tempelhof.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: He was one of the people behind that feasibility study by Investitionsbank Berlin,
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: which I guess falls under the finance department where he was the boss.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about it last time where it said 21,400 flats could be built there for
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: about 4 billion euros as opposed to 6 billion euros,
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: which is what the architects originally had.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: So what do you feel?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: How do you feel about Stefan Evers?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not into conservative politicians,
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: points to him for being gay,
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: but at this point,
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: a gay mayor in Berlin is a cliche, you know, like we had Wolverine all those years.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, There's been pushback against CSD within the CDU, which is kind of insane in 2026.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: So at least he's standing firm about having a float at CSD and stuff.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't have a chance.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's all moved so far left.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: Since Wegner stepped down as the politician, they gained three percentage points.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: So they're back to being the second most popular party in Berlin.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: But the Linka gained two percentage points too.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: So it's obviously going to be a red, red, green.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: We're getting the red, red, green government.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, hold on a second.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: Hold on a second.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're like neck and neck practically.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Linka is like two points
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: above the CDU.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: The CDU could still scrape through.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but who are they going to join in the coalition?
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Greens.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: Greens and SPD, maybe.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like Baden-Württemberg?
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Where's the Black-Green coalition?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's Baden-Württemberg, isn't it?
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Baden-Württemberg is Green is led by the Greens, right?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the CDU.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think in Berlin.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think the CDU is out.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't,
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: like last time the SBD tried,
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: the SBD tried to reform the red,
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: red, green coalition and they got in a little tussle with the Lincoln.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: So then, uh, what's your face was like, screw it.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to go over.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, I don't think they could do that again.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think the conservatives are out.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think people hate the conservatives now.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: So apart from more building,
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: more bike
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: lanes again,
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: what are we going to get from, from
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: the next government, Andrew?
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, very definitely.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: We're not going to get building a temple off, which makes me very happy.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: And other than that, I don't know.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: I do not know.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, more bike lanes.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I think those are the things we really honestly need.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's more money for culture.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: But what about housing?
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Housing is the issue.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: We need to build.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: They need to give tons of money.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: They need to take billions, give it to all of the Berlin-owned housing companies and build.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Just build.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently, even in New York, Mandami has cut regulation for investors to build more housing.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: Red tape for me.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like the most left-wing mayor New York's ever had.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: The thing is, if you build more apartments, everybody hates investors.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: The best way to fuck investors is to beat them at their own game.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Build a bunch of apartments.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Suddenly, apartments are worthless.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Investors are losing money.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's the way to do it.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: They shouldn't be losing money, but it would be less attractive to speculate.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Just take the peaks out, and then the government can observe.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: The link is so ideological and anti-capitalist.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: They don't realize that you're going to need a few capitalists to get involved in
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: the construction business.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: We're not back to the DDR yet.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: I know they would like it, but...
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: They used to have that,
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: they used to have that Greek guy, Matteo de Matadi, or whatever his name is.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's an economist guy, but then he went to the Bundeskanzel.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, de Masio.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: De Masio, yeah.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: He was all right, man, because he was sort of like a capitalist leftist.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but he says crazy shit about Russia, which is just like, I don't know.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's why he went to the Wagenknecht.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly, yeah.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: And the light in here, it's like, I guess the sun is going down.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: I guess it's reaching, getting late.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: So speaking of things, oh, you can't just walk away in the middle of a podcast.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, I did, you know.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: So speaking of things we need in Berlin, a swimming pool in front of Volksbrunnow.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is just,
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if this is something,
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: it's so typical Berlin, it's kind of like I simultaneously love and hate this.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: So the Volksbühne am Rosenluxemburgplatz, the big theater.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Sort of avant-garde, left-wing, state-funded theater.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's setting up a 25-meter swimming pool on its doorstep.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it will open August 7th and be open until October 1st.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: It'll be free to get in.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: You just have to book a slot online.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like,
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: why is the state-funded theater setting up a pool costing probably millions of euros
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: at a time when the state is actually cutting...
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't theater money supposed to go to theater actors, directors, costume designers?
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: What's their reasoning?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what's their reasoning?
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: So they have a new intendant, a new artistic director.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know what he says?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Hold on a second.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote it down somewhere.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: He says...
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: The Volksbühne considers even two people splashing water on each other to be
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: a theatrical event.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that was Matthias Lilienthal,
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: who is sort of a veteran, edgy veteran sort of East Berlin director.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: But then it's more seriously on their website,
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: they explained,
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: in a city where infrastructure has been systematically cut back over
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: the last few decades, public spaces are more and more commercialized and monitored.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: The Volksbühne,
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: that's the name of it,
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Volksbühne,
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's the first urban initiative under the new direction of the Volksbühne and
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: a summer invitation to the people in the capital.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, as somebody pointed out,
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: basically it's just a marketing stunt,
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: hoping to get more young people into the Volksbühne.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, what do you think?
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like, I love the Volksbühne.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: Actually,
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: some of the best concerts,
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: some of the best, like, Whatever rock con, what do you want to call them?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Music concerts I went to were at the Volksbund.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: They have great concerts, man.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the most embarrassing one, I went to Marilyn Manson, did a record release there.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: That was just amazing.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: That was an embarrassment for Marilyn Manson.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was an embarrassment for, there were a couple of German rock stars in the audience.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was embarrassing.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: But I went to some great, I mean,
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: I've been meaning to look and see,
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: because sometimes we would just be like,
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: what concerts did Volksbund, you might as well go.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: And they always had like mini festivals where like a bunch of bands played.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: And some of you would be playing in the main room.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Some of you would be playing over in the Gruner's Alon, the Rotor's Alon.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: And they were good shows.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: They were always really good.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I like the post-gruner.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen some of their plays.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: What about the swimming pool?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen some of their plays.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not smart enough to understand what their plays are about.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: They always go for five hours and then there's like naked people shouting about stuff on stage.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: Camera operators following them around backstage.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Stuff like that.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I never...
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's always like a radical reinterpretation of Oedipus or... Yeah.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't get it.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: But it's kind of weird that I think like maybe the one thing that works or one of
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: the few things that works in Berlin are the swimming pools.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like we have a pretty good network of swimming pools.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's weird to be like, oh, we're going to open a swimming pool.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we've already... That seems to work here.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: And we've even...
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: This is a protest against like investment, a lack of investment in infrastructure somehow.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, but...
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking like swimming pools are not the problem.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: The problem are like school buildings.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't you make 10 nice school bathrooms in 10 schools?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like the bathrooms in Berlin schools are just, they're horrific.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: They're a horror movie.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: So something like that, I don't get it.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: And Berlin has the coolest private swimming pool on the planet, the Bata Schiff.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Over at Arena.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so are they just wasting taxpayer
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: money, basically, for a marketing stunt?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: as somebody in a performing art that is forbidden from getting public funding,
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: like a comedy or Kleinkunst is not allowed to get public funding.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Theaters get sick amounts of money, just
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: absurd amounts of money.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: And now they're just spending it on a pool, which doesn't even go to...
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: The actors or all the other freelancers that are involved backstage.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's messed up.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's just going to be crowded.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's not that much room.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: How big is the pool even going to be?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's the weird thing about Badaship.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: 25 meters long.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like Badaship.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: To me, it's just going to be crowded.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I feel like.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be too crowded.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, maybe they, hopefully they do some weird shit in the pool.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it'd be cool.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we're just too grumpy.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure they have some surprises up their sleeves.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Are you going to go?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we could try.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: I just,
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: I always feel like you got to book it and then it's full and then you're like,
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: why am I here?
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I can, you know, it's, it's 10 minutes.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: We can do a podcast from there in our bathing suits.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: We can do that.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: You want to see me in a bathing suit?
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: All right, move on to a commemoration of the failed 1944 plot against Hitler.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: The plot wasn't at Hitler's blender block.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: The commemoration was at Berlin's blender block in Mitte.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: I guess maybe it's Tiergarten.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was disrupted when Tobias Korenke,
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: a relative of resistance fighter Dietrich Bonhoeffer,
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: tried to remove a wreath laid by the right-wing AFD.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then he apparently got it like that.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Then the security ran over and tried to prevent him from taking the wreath away.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: And the wreath got it.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, they were laying the wreath into honors Stauffenberg, right?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Stauffenberg.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Who was a Wehrmacht officer who attempted to assassinate Hitler.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: With a bomb.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: And he failed.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: There's a memorial to him over by the defense ministry.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: The Bendler block is the defense
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: ministry.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: And that's in Tiergarten.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: And, uh, So they always have a commemoration once a year.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: So Bonhoeffer, he was a resistance fighter who, I think, got killed in Auschwitz.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: He was murdered in Auschwitz, I think.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was also a pastor.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: But there's a new Bonhoeffer, right?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: The Bonhoeffer today was the one who...
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was his great-grandson.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: But he's named Korenka, not
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Bonhoeffer, yeah.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and he got in a spat with an AFD politician.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: We just tried to pick up the wreath of the security.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: He was like, you got to leave it there.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then it turned into a tug of war.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: It is weird.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, yeah.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: This is really interesting.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: And why, why did he, what was his reasoning for taking away the wreath?
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: He said, it's a slap in the face of everybody that the AFD is part of this commemoration.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: But of course the defense ministry is like,
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: we have to invite every elected party to be a part of it.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is really interesting.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: I saw an interview with the grandson of Stauffenberg,
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: who also thought it was pretty grossed out by
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: the AFD instrumentalizing his grandfather.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Only recently at an AFD event, a cabaretista... What is a cabaretist?
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of a comedian?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: Comedian, yeah.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, basically...
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Joked that, oh,
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: I wish we had Stauffenbeck around today so that he could, like,
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: take care of Chancellor Friedrich Mance,
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: which is like, you know, an invitation to violence, incitement to violence.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, the AFD are weird about this kind of stuff, you know, like, they...
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: We'll try and sort of, yeah,
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: when somebody at some point,
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: somebody claimed,
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: somebody in the AFD claimed that if Stauffenberg was alive today,
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: he would vote for the AFD because he was actually a really conservative guy.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sure.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Compared to everyone else, he was pretty conservative, but it was like the 1940s, right?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: But he still wanted to murder Hitler, so, you know, he was not a fascist.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they kind of came to it late.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: They could have maybe tried something earlier.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, apparently my grandfather,
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: even in the early 40s,
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: discussed the need to kill Hitler with his fellow Wehrmacht officers,
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: which is weird, but he never did anything about it.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's a cool...
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: You heard it here first.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: If true,
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: that sounds like one of those family things that somebody made up in 53
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: and they'd just been saying it all along, but it actually didn't happen.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's the story you tell to cover the fact that your grandfather was in the Fairmont.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Man,
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: I need to put on the light here.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you have light and sometimes you don't have light.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Where is it?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: What's happening?
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's not good.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: Is the light just coming from your computer?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's coming from outside.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so it's time for our favorite segment.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's our favorite segment, but our only segment, really, Bears Knees.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: After we complain about Berlin, two things we actually like about Berlin.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: You go first.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: This was actually kind of,
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: this was brought up by a reader and then I realized he was actually right.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: My bear's knees is Dussmann, the Kulturkaufhaus on Friedrichschaße in Mitte.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I actually realized this, I wasn't in Firlandorf, I was in a town.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I forgot my book.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm reading a book.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: This woman became a bus driver in Berlin.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: She wrote a book about it.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: But I left it here.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: So when I went on this mini tour of these three comedies, I left it.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: So then I went into a German,
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: just a regular German bookstore,
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: and I can never find the books I want in a German bookstore.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I went in there,
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I've just got to find a book that I can read while I'm on this tour.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I just want to find something from Stuttgart Bara.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: I could not find anything.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: But if you go to Dussmann in Berlin, you can always find everything you want.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: There's always somebody you can find, somebody you can help to find what you want.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: And they also have a gigantic English.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: You can almost find any English book you need too.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: The English bookstore there is phenomenal, you know.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: And the Germanist too, and I find some.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: But every other German bookstore, I don't understand the sections.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: I go to literature.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: I can't find... That's literature, isn't it?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but he's kind of a has-been, isn't he?
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: I guess so, but you'd think there'd be a book of yours.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's actually dating a friend of mine.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, interesting.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Give me some gossip.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to go into it.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want you to German privacy love.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: She's a comedian.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: She's a comedian.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: But Tosman, yeah.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: So Tosman is a, I mean, it is a giant, giant building.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's also, is it also open on Sundays?
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's open on Sundays.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's open on Sundays.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: And the thing is, how do they get away with that?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm guessing they have a lot of money and paid somebody.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: And they're also open really late at night, which I like, like around 10, I believe.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they just have these weird non-German things that sort of makes them even more popular.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: I like them even more for that.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: I love stores being closed on Sundays, actually.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, I'm glad when somebody flies in the face of
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: it.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: I hate stores being closed on Sundays, especially supermarkets.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: In Denmark, the supermarkets are open, but there's no grown-ups working there.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: They have like 14-year-olds working there on Sundays.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's nothing like being served by a 14-year-old.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and they're just totally glued.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: And you can get basic over-the-counter drugs at Netto on a Sunday.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: You just ask the 14-year-old, hey, can I get some ibuprofen?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, Ibu what?
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then they just kind of...
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: they don't give in... You go to a German apotheca, and then they're like, yes.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever taken paracetamol before?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, obviously...
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody who has.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: I hate to, every time I buy aspirin, they want
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: to give me big advice.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, dude, just give me the aspirin.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Just give me the fucking
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: aspirin.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: Who, who, who are we kidding here?
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: One more thing is,
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: remember when they closed Friedrichshaus of the cars,
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: they closed the wrong side of Friedrichshaus.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: If they had closed Friedrichshaus over on that side,
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: where the,
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: where the Kaufhaus is and the train station,
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: If that had been closed,
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Dussbaum would have been out there having events four or five nights a week.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been so nice.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been so great.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: They would have taken so much advantage of that being closed.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: You would have never been able to reopen it to cars.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been such a good thing.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's funny.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: Berliners have this strange idea that if you're a big city, you need to have a lot of traffic.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: And they have this idea that if you don't have a lot of traffic,
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: you're like a provincial village.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, in fact, it's the opposite.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, All the big cities in Europe,
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: like Paris, London,
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Barcelona, they're all trying to get rid of cars, right?
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: They're all trying to pedestrianize.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just like, Berlin's really an outlier there, you know?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: This is supposed to be the progressive, green, edgy, left-wing city.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: And look at this.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like urban planning, total mess.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the thing, like that, because that stretch of Friedrichshausen is not used.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's like, I forgot, cars don't drive there.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been so great.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been so nice.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: It would have just exploded with life.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: You could, I mean,
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: basically from, from, like, Unter den Linden up to Torstrasse, pedestrianized.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty much.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think, like,
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oranienburger Stasse,
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: that little, like, right by Friedrichstadt Palace, you probably need it.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: But, yeah, it would be, and, you know, it would just be so full of life, man, the whole thing.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: And Deucemann would have led the way.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: All right, that's my bear's knees.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Ach, Berlin.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: My Bear's Knees is a really fun space in Treptow called Sonnenraum.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a sort of a music venue.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know where Arena is in the Badershof and the flea market?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's sort of in one of those buildings sort of tucked away in the back.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it's called Sonnenraum.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a bar,
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: but primarily a sort of Concert venue, I'd say about 200 to 300 people fit in there.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: And anyway, every Monday, this incredible big band called Omniversal Orchestra play there.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: And they've been playing there every Monday for like 10, 15 years.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know exactly how long, but it costs five euros and is absolutely fantastic.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: And next Monday, man, actually, oh, you won't be here.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: You'll be in Bavaria.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Omniversal Orchestra.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: Check them out.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you're like, you know, if you're a little reluctant to go see a jazz show, you know.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm very reluctant.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: Something different.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like, the audience is really young.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: And, um, yeah, five euros.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, you have nothing to lose.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's on a new home.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, so is your Paris' Omniverse Orchestra or Zonne and Rome?
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, it's the Omniverse Orchestra Jam Session at Zonne and Rome on every Monday.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to check it out.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm open.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: So you're not going anywhere else this summer?
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to Paris beginning of September.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, nice.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: I want to see the cat.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: Can I see the cat?
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: She was just... She's a very particular man.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's Shirley Temple.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Shirley, Andrew, thank you so much.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Have a good time in Denmark.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: I will.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: And, yeah.
• 30:16
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• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, hi, as they say.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: Chisakowski.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: Chisakowski.