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IFH 779: Breaking the Mold: Lily Yasuda and Michael Wolfe’s Journey to Crafting the Anti-Rom-Com · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 4: Under this week's episode, I have two people who decided
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  Speaker 4: to self produce their own movie because they saw that
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  Speaker 4: as the only alternative. They wanted to go out there
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  Speaker 4: and make something. They wanted to go out there and
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  Speaker 4: actually see something be made and not just talk about
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  Speaker 4: it and not just write about it. You know, you
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  Speaker 4: actually want to see things get made. My first guest,
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  Speaker 4: because there's two of them, my first guest is a writer, actor,
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  Speaker 4: and filmmaker from Boise, Idaho. She graduated summa cum laude
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  Speaker 4: from Chapman University and we'll be making her on screen
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  Speaker 4: debut in the movie Like Love. My other guest is
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  Speaker 4: a writer, producer, director who's made his slew of short
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  Speaker 4: films and documentaries. He graduated with a PFA and film
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  Speaker 4: production from Chapman University. He's currently interning, I believe at
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  Speaker 4: Scott Ruden Productions and he's actually a Fullbright semi finalist,
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  Speaker 4: which is actually pretty cool. So we're going to talk
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  Speaker 4: all about, you know, going to production companies. We're going
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  Speaker 4: to talk about film school, hangover. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 4: about self production and their new project which is on
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  Speaker 4: seeden Spark right now, called Like Love, with guests Villi,
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  Speaker 4: Yasuda and Michael Wolfe.
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  Speaker 5: No only good things. Marty's super great. He's actually more
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  Speaker 5: of Michael's friend than mine. You had him as a professor, Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: No, Marty. So Marty was the production coordinator at Chadman
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  Speaker 6: University where Willie and I both went to school and
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  Speaker 6: met for the project, and he has a lot of
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  Speaker 6: experience with crowdfunding, which is something we're doing for the
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  Speaker 6: movie we're making, and I had gotten to know him
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  Speaker 6: through the school and we were putting together a team
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  Speaker 6: of advisors for the project, and since he has experienced
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  Speaker 6: with crowdfunding, he seemed like a logical bet. And one
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  Speaker 6: of the things we were talking to was Marty, who
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  Speaker 6: do you know that we can tell more people about
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  Speaker 6: this kind of thing that we're doing. And he was
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  Speaker 6: more than happy to help, because Marty's just the nicest
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  Speaker 6: guy on the planet. But he did talk a lot
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  Speaker 6: of smack on you.
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  Speaker 5: He was like, whatever you do, don't talk to Dave
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  Speaker 5: because he's terrible. So we went to you immediately, and
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  Speaker 5: here we are, so we hope we don't get in
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  Speaker 5: trouble with Marty.
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  Speaker 4: But exactly, you have to out smart them. You do
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  Speaker 4: the exact opposite of what he suggests.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly, that is exactly what we learned in film school.
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  Speaker 5: And here we are making a movie. So I don't
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  Speaker 5: know what could go wrong, but so far, so good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I know Marty for years, and Marty is a really
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  Speaker 4: great guy, and I'm actually happy that, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: were able to be taught by somebody who not just
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  Speaker 4: talks to talk but also walks the walk because Marty's
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  Speaker 4: actually made films. He's actually crowd fun of things before.
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  Speaker 4: For for listeners of the podcast, they they kind of
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  Speaker 4: know my history of you know, I didn't go to
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  Speaker 4: film school, but I did teach film school stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And what happens.
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  Speaker 4: Is I have a kind of a love hate relationship
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  Speaker 4: with that because oftentimes they hire these colleges, hire professors
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  Speaker 4: who don't know what they're doing. That that that's the
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  Speaker 4: black mark of a lot of a lot of colleges.
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  Speaker 4: That's a dirty little secret they don't need to know about.
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  Speaker 4: But anyways, I'm sorry what we're about to say.
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  Speaker 6: Oh no, that's that's absolutely that's absolutely true. And just
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  Speaker 6: like it's a I think I think it's partially because
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  Speaker 6: film is just so it's still very new to the world.
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  Speaker 6: You know, like a lot of like really only the
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  Speaker 6: private colleges have caught on to it. And even then,
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  Speaker 6: like a lot of the people they get to teach
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  Speaker 6: it are like you know, they're they're people who have
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  Speaker 6: tried and decided like I can't do this full time,
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  Speaker 6: so I just want to, like you know, help other people.
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  Speaker 6: And it's it's easier for them because they're probably they're
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  Speaker 6: not as hot in the industry anymore. But it's just
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  Speaker 6: such a new concept. It's very it's very touch and
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  Speaker 6: go where you like you really have to do your
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  Speaker 6: research and the Hollywood Reporter, which is like the go
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  Speaker 6: to for a lot of people, Like that's how we
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  Speaker 6: found Chapman, Like, yeah, totally. That uh, that's just like
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  Speaker 6: you know, staffed by people who all come from USC
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  Speaker 6: and the bigger schools, and so they're just going to
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  Speaker 6: promote their own and it's like and.
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  Speaker 5: I think coming from a you know, Chapman is certainly
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  Speaker 5: an up and coming, certainly a recognized school, but you
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  Speaker 5: know a little bit a little bit newer on the
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  Speaker 5: sort of film school scale. You know. I think it's
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  Speaker 5: been great for us to you know, obviously Michae when
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  Speaker 5: I met through school and so that in and of itself,
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  Speaker 5: I think the fact that we're making this movie proves
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  Speaker 5: that film school does provide a degree of network and
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  Speaker 5: then could be really helpful. But we're also just trying
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  Speaker 5: to move forward with you know, having a net of
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  Speaker 5: advisors people like Marty, but we also have you know,
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  Speaker 5: some other people on our list. You know, Dave Klein
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  Speaker 5: is a friend of my dad's who's a DP on Homeland,
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  Speaker 5: and True Blood has worked with Kevin Smith, you know, and.
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  Speaker 6: Heather Clerks together.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, Dave and Kevin Shuck Clerks when they were
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  Speaker 5: like like twenty one or twenty two, like our age,
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  Speaker 5: you know. But having some people outside of the faculty
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  Speaker 5: sphere that can also provide some support and some guidances
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  Speaker 5: is really important. So it's definitely about about cultivating that network.
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  Speaker 4: So you one of the questions I was about to
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  Speaker 4: ask too was where did you guys meet? And you
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  Speaker 4: just you just mentioned in film school. So I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to ask that because I thought maybe you guys, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you two were friends before film school and you decided
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  Speaker 4: to go there at Chatman together. Let me ask you this,
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  Speaker 4: When you both decided to go to Chapman, when did
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  Speaker 4: you actually meet each other? And then, you know, how
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  Speaker 4: did you start working together?
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  Speaker 3: Like you are now?
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  Speaker 5: Do you want to do it? Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Well so we had. It turns out we lived on
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  Speaker 6: the the same floor freshman year, but yeah, we didn't
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  Speaker 6: find that out until like a year later because we
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  Speaker 6: didn't really talk to each other. We met in a like.
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  Speaker 5: I knew that you existed, but I don't think i'd
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  Speaker 5: ever actually spoken to you.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's what it was. But we met
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  Speaker 6: in this creative writing class outside of the BUILD program
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  Speaker 6: because you you just like you have to take electeds
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  Speaker 6: and you want to like fill on something this general education.
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  Speaker 6: It's something that's fun and sustains you. And we Willy
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  Speaker 6: and I both just standed up like we had to
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  Speaker 6: write like a memoir piece, and Willy and I both
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  Speaker 6: ended up tackling topics about like our like sexual history,
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  Speaker 6: like I've told the story of like my first blowjob.
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  Speaker 5: They were yeah, they were like very unfortunate, they were
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  Speaker 5: they're very.
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  Speaker 6: Un fortunately, very humorous like material, and we just we
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  Speaker 6: just bonded.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we like we had to read them out loud,
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  Speaker 5: and it was like super uncomfortable, like, oh, who wants
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  Speaker 5: to go first? And Michael went first, and Michael Starr
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  Speaker 5: was like so ethically like we'll say vulnerable in like
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  Speaker 5: an artsy way, We'll go with embarrassing in like a
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  Speaker 5: more literal way. That I was like, Okay, then I
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  Speaker 5: have to share. And we like talked after class, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and like had mutual friends. And then he sent me
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  Speaker 5: an email like I don't know a few weeks later
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  Speaker 5: pretty much shotally out of the blue and was like,
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  Speaker 5: I want to I want to produce a feature when
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  Speaker 5: I graduate. I want you to write me something and
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  Speaker 5: I was like, cool, what do you want it to be?
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  Speaker 5: And he was like, it can be whatever you want.
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, that's really nice, but that's not
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  Speaker 5: what you mean, Like, what, what's the movie that you
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  Speaker 5: want to make? And he you had a ton of
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  Speaker 5: ideas you sent me, like a doc. They were like
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  Speaker 5: eight or ten things on that list, but one of
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  Speaker 5: them was a story about a girl that he was
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  Speaker 5: friends with in high school. He was really close with
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  Speaker 5: and he was super into her and she was not
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  Speaker 5: super into him, and sort of I guess the fallout
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  Speaker 5: of that and like sort of the like weird price
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  Speaker 5: you pay for one sided reciprocation. But then it became
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  Speaker 5: this conversation about like the friend zone, you know, and
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  Speaker 5: sort of what relationships look like now, and that seemed
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  Speaker 5: like an interesting place for us to start. So it
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  Speaker 5: was a pretty loose pitch when I started it. And
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  Speaker 5: this script has been through a lot in the last
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  Speaker 5: few years, so yeah, it's definitely evolved, but it was, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it was Michael's pitch, and I think that that coming together,
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  Speaker 5: I think, not as friends, but like wors more about
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  Speaker 5: like being collaborators, yeah, editors.
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  Speaker 6: Well, and it was important to me because I am
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  Speaker 6: more of a director than a writer. Like I like
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  Speaker 6: writing and I like to talk about writing, but the
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  Speaker 6: actual writing is so difficult. And what's great about Lily
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  Speaker 6: is she just is she's really prolific, Like she's always
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  Speaker 6: writing something and she has to finish it. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: you usually you just start stuff and you don't finish it,
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  Speaker 6: and that's mean and nut, shall it. So I approached
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  Speaker 6: Lily because she was the person who I knew it
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  Speaker 6: could finish it.
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  Speaker 5: And that's kind of what you want when you ask
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  Speaker 5: someone to write your movie. You want to make sure
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  Speaker 5: you had at least all the movie. So that's what
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  Speaker 5: that's what we're trying to do as we move forwards.
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  Speaker 4: So when you mentioned the person who would never reciprocate,
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  Speaker 4: is that one of those typical people you kind of
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  Speaker 4: meet not only in film school but in all types
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  Speaker 4: of like colleges, in the workplace, where they're always there
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  Speaker 4: when they when they need something and then whenever you
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  Speaker 4: need something from them there you know, you can never
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  Speaker 4: find them.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's probably true. I don't think that's unique
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  Speaker 5: to film school. But I think the story that Michael
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  Speaker 5: brought to the table, you know, is less about I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, feeling jilted or like like being taken advantage
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  Speaker 5: of by someone who doesn't reciprocate your feelings, but just
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  Speaker 5: the idea that, you know, romantic comedies have spun this
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  Speaker 5: idea that like, oh, well, if you're a boy and
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  Speaker 5: a girl who like each other's company, you're destined to
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  Speaker 5: be in love. And I don't know, if you've ever
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  Speaker 5: existed in the world, you've probably found that that's not true.
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  Speaker 5: And I think just sort of mining the story within
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  Speaker 5: that about yeah, sort of the realities of attraction and
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  Speaker 5: intimacy and what that means, and that you can love
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  Speaker 5: someone and not be destined to be their partner was
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  Speaker 5: sort of the underlying ideology.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know, I see exactly what you mean.
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  Speaker 3: I just you know, I've again when I when I used.
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  Speaker 4: To work at different universities and teach film stuff, there's
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  Speaker 4: always you know, there's always a little friction sometimes and
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  Speaker 4: usually that's like the type of person.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, It's always like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: need its.
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  Speaker 4: Neat, very needy, and then when they when you need something,
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  Speaker 4: they're just never there. It just as a side question,
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  Speaker 4: have you ever met, like, I guess, the the the stereotype,
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  Speaker 4: which is basically the what I like to call the
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  Speaker 4: art school uh, the art school reject. And what I
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  Speaker 4: mean by that is there the person who is just
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  Speaker 4: you know, makes everything they want they want to make
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  Speaker 4: is like avant garde that you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: And they and they and I dare I say they
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  Speaker 4: almost wear they want to wear a beret.
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  Speaker 1: That this.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe literally honestly, not even the metaphorical bray like yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And they're lovely people, but they have no idea. They
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  Speaker 6: they when it comes time and you help them out
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  Speaker 6: on their project, they have no idea like how to
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  Speaker 6: communicate what it is they want. They just kind of
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  Speaker 6: just bark at things that you and you're just you
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  Speaker 6: just kind of you're just kind of scrambling and they usually,
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  Speaker 6: like you know, especially in field school and in the
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  Speaker 6: industry as and when you're starting out like this, you
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  Speaker 6: want to trade as many favors as you can, Like
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  Speaker 6: that's my biggest thing.
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  Speaker 7: Totally.
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  Speaker 6: That's the kind of person where like they can't trade,
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  Speaker 6: they can't trade, they can't do anything. They've never even
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  Speaker 6: been on a set before. Yeah, they weren't even like
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  Speaker 6: they don't know how to be a boom up and
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  Speaker 6: why it's important to be good at boom opping and
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  Speaker 6: motivate a person who's gonna boom off for you someday.
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  Speaker 5: Totally. Yeah, we know people.
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  Speaker 4: I usually have a saying, if you were in a class,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and you're in film school and you can't
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  Speaker 4: find that person, chances are you might actually be that person's.
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  Speaker 5: Definitely if you're like, I don't know anyone like that, like,
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  Speaker 5: oh other people, other people know that person, and I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure they could point you in the right direction.
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  Speaker 4: When I when I was, you know, working at different places,
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  Speaker 4: there was a student project that this person made and
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  Speaker 4: they were kind of you know in that sense, they
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  Speaker 4: were in that regard, and they would they would constantly quote.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you know, they talk about Krosawa films and
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  Speaker 3: this new.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yes, and now I'm a huge movie nerd, so
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  Speaker 4: obviously I'll talk about that too, But but it's just
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  Speaker 4: they kind of you know how I mean, they they
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  Speaker 4: shoot one thing and it's like, oh, this is exactly
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  Speaker 4: Krasa would do it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: So anyways, the project they hand in was so badly done.
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  Speaker 4: Like I could, I could do a whole podcast about
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  Speaker 4: what had happened, but essentially, aspect ratios didn't match from
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  Speaker 4: scene to scene. And I at first I was like,
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  Speaker 4: is this an artistic choice of why you're going from?
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  Speaker 4: You know, all these different aspect creations. Maybe maybe this
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  Speaker 4: is just something that I'm not aware of. And no,
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't a artistic choice. There was there was a
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  Speaker 4: lot of that. There was a lot of sound issues
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  Speaker 4: you're speaking of boom like operator there was.
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  Speaker 3: And there was something else.
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  Speaker 4: I want to say, there was something wrong with the coloring.
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  Speaker 4: And I can't remember what it was, but I think
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  Speaker 4: the color correction on the scene was so blown out.
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  Speaker 3: It was just like everything.
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  Speaker 4: It was like a hodgepodge of everything not to do
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  Speaker 4: with film school. But if I said to you, like, hey,
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: come up with every stereotype of film school, that's what
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  Speaker 4: this was awesome?
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  Speaker 5: Awesome.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and I think so much of that is, you know,
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  Speaker 5: particularly as young as young filmmakers, student filmmakers, you know,
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  Speaker 5: there's a desire to to do something really big. Everybody
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  Speaker 5: wants to be Chris Nolan or everybody wants to be Tarantino, right,
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  Speaker 5: people wanted to Oh god, and with all due respect
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  Speaker 5: to Edgar Wright, but you know, I think there's a
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  Speaker 5: desire to tell really big stories. And I know that.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I get off a little bit easier because
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  Speaker 5: I operate more on the writing side than the production side.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, I like to tell really small stories.
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  Speaker 5: And that's good news for me because small stories are
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  Speaker 5: really producible. And that's very much how how we approach
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  Speaker 5: this movie, like love, that we wanted to tell a
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  Speaker 5: small story both that would not kill our our our
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  Speaker 5: pocket book when it came time to pay for it,
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  Speaker 5: but that that we could really focus on telling the
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  Speaker 5: story well and not getting too hung up on lens
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  Speaker 5: flares and car chases and all that.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and we've all been there too, where we're
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: you know, they were going to make some movie that
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: we absolutely passively can't make, like you know, a car
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: chase movie or a a time travel movie, stuff like that,
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: And that's why, you know, it's just when people do that,
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: it's always like godspeed. But you know, you're probably gonna
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: end up hating every single second. When you're like, oh,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: I'm making a time travel movie where we're going back
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: to eighteen hundred and oh there's cars in the background
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: or fee walking, you know.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: What I mean.
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: You're like, Oh, it can't be that hard. We'll just
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: need a few cars, and you're like those cars are
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: really expensive though, like a few cars can be most
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: of your budget.
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: Well that was me. That was me with my thesis film.
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: It was a superhero movie, which I now like because
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: I had done the smaller stuff and I was like,
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: I want to challenge myself, so I'll make a superhero
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: movie when like six locations, like it had the effects
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: sequencing and how big was your carew our crew? We
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: had like crew of like eighty people, and it was
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: as a student filmmaker, you're leading a crew of like
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: eighty people and you're just like that's a lot to manage.
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: And you're also like, there's so many elements that you're
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: trying to get into place. You can't even make the
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: move You're you're trying, You're spending so much time trying
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: to make the movie happen that you.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: Don't make it good.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: You don't even you don't make the movie. You just
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: you just kind of like assembled, you just kind of
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: throw a bunch of stuff on screen and call it
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: a movie.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, at that point. And also for the record, I
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: would just like to say, there will not even be
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: eighty people on our set in total including extras, on
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: this feature. So we're really scaling back on this on
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: this project that was that was.
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: A crash course and like what what not to do? Yeah,
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: but I learned you do learn how to stretch your
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: budget really quickly when you're trying to assemble all those things.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: Goldfish for everybody, Fruits, that's true pro tip aspiring filmmakers.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: Everybody loves fruit snacks.
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: And it has to be it has to be welch as.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: It can't be the off friend.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, that's our advice.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: That's like the the Lloyd Kauflin brain of doing things.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: You know, the Goldfish crackers and Dale bagels. That that's
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: the old Lloyd Kaufman special.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: That's the two major food groups. Honestly, like you get
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: something crispy and something with cream cheese on it, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: like you'll be fine.
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: For my for my thesis, we had a night shoot
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: and uh, marpur Chucer. She's a wonderful, wonderful person, but
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: she's from China. And she got bagels and instead of
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: cream cheese, she got sour creamy. And it's like three
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: in the morning, and you're you just want to go
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: to sleep, you know, and you just try to work
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: and so and so you're not reading the labels. You
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: just see what looks to be cream cheese, and you're
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: putting sour cream on bagels and they spread them because
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: they thought it was they thought it was cream cheese
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: and nikes. Yeah, talk about a way to wake up though,
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: other than coffee.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: That's rough.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: That that yeah, that's that is that is pretty rough.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: I I don't know, Uh did she was she able
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: to sort of save herself, meaning that like she did
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: she realize the mistakes she made and and she tried
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: to make amends.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: She did she did she went out crafty for everybody.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Oh good good.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: Uh you gotta you gotta feed your crew as well. Yes,
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: that's important.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, you know. Uh.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: And before we get start talking more about like love,
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: I just wanted to ask, you know, when when both
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: of you are shooting, you know your student projects throughout
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: you know, your your four years. Did you ever when
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: you were out out shooting did you ever get you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: maybe somebody coming to ask you questions about hey.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: What are you what are you doing?
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Uh, and you kind of were able to pull the
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: whole Hey I'm a student filmmaker.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Card.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Wait, I'm sorry, repeat the question real quick.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Did you ever like when you were out filming, did
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: you ever get to pull the whole hey, I'm a
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: student filmmaker.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Card?
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Mean, like, like if you ever out somewhere shooting and
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: somebody asks you.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Like, hey, what are you doing to here? Like, Hey,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: we're the students, we're making a movie.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: I think I think that's hard in California, especially an
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: Orange work Chapman is located, because everybody does like everyone
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: is on set all the time. Like the residents of
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: Orange hate student filmmakers.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show, which.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: Like is probably not unwarranted, you know, but for this,
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: for this feature, we're shooting in Boise, Idaho, and even
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: like today, like we did a couple of location scouts
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: and like people are just so stoked, like there, what
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: are you doing? And you're like, we're making a movie
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: and they're like, wow, could we be in the movie
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: And you're like, yeah, potentially, Like people just think it's
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: so fun, So I think there's a higher sort of
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: like novelty.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah. One in Orange it was like you downplay the
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: student aspect and you just know for the we're young
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: and hungry and chain enter kind of thing, you do
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: not say you go to Chapman.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: The people, the residents of Warrens, you do not want
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: to help you as a Chapmin student.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: See and that that there's the those are the pro
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: tips that see that that they're like, you know, you
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: have to be in the note to get them.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I just hit the microphone.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: So I was see I was so excited about that
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: pro tip. I hit the microphone with my hand. But no,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: but see, those are the types of of things that
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: you kind of have to you know, ebb and flow
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: out of because you get you don't want to say
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: you're you're you know, going to Chapman, but you also
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: you're always want to be able to say, hey, look,
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: you know, if you're if you're out somewhere and you're
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: shooting without a permit and you're you're doing a gorilla
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: style you want to be able to say, hey, I'm
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: I'm I mean, I've done it too, where I'm like, hey,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I'm just a student making a film.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: What's going on here?
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know any It's yeah, well.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: That's why that's why we're in Boise in particular. It's
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: because they don't they don't like need selling permits. Yeah,
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: there's not an emphasis on like in I think in La,
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: what is it like if you if I don't know
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: if this is a rumor or not, but I've heard
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: horror stories where like people will built film gorilla style
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: and then in La they find out you didn't have
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: a permit. Afterwards you can lead to huge fines and
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: like you can't use your footage like without being sued
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: by the city. Like it's it's a yeah, it's like
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: a big it's a big deal just because they have
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: so much production fatigue, whereas in you come out to
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: a small place like like Boiser, like a significantly smaller
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: where there's no where there's hardly any film and infrastructure.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: I think I think they don't even have like film incentives, right, So.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Maybe this is really just an elaborate plug for people
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: to come shoot films. In Idaho, like surprise, you got us. Like,
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: if you're looking to shoot an independent film, maybe you
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: should come do it in in Boise. It's it's hot
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: and dry and people are nice and we like to
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: deep fry steak. Like it's a pretty good time truth
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: be told. Yeah, awesome, boom. We have one convert that
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: is our that is our mention.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: I'm here in Philadelphia, and there was a point where
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: production fatigue sorted to kind of sort of set in.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: But then, you know, all the productions left to Pittsburgh,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: and now the only thing we have left there's Creed
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: two is here right now, and that's it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Because so it's like.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: That's so bad that you don't take it take cream two.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Well it's just funny because there used to be so
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: many other things going on here and now there's like
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: nothing and is just like it has become just you know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: it's you know, the people.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: We were, you know, wondering where all the all the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: productions went.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: So apparently they've all gone to either Pittsburgh or and
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: now as I find out boys Idaho.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm surprised we're stealing them from you, you know.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: And I wondered too if there is you know if
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: there even is there a film commission in Idaho, Like,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: is there one?
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: There is?
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Cool?
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: I can tell you almost nothing else about it except
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: that it exists, But we do have one.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: I think they're waiting for their big their big opportunity
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: La La Land too.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: That could be us.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Well we see see if I was I mean, I mean,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: and and Mike, you know you being a you know,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: a producer on the project, I imagine my my, my
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: producer hat starts to go off here, and I imagine
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of empty buildings in in Idaho, not
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: just around the Boise area. And what I mean my
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: empty buildings is you know farms, old warehouses, old uh
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: you know, kind of like dairy silo's, all.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Those types of places, and.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I kind of wonder, you know, if they could be
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: utilized more, you know what I mean.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Sure, maybe not an R movie, but if you need
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: a good like serial killer film, maybe this is the
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: the place to do it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: Well, they absolutely could. And the nice thing too, is
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: like when you don't have a town that has all
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: the production fatigue, is people will just open up and
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: they're happy to have it. The trick though, and this
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: is a discussion. Like when I visited New York, I
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: went they the city has a like the Mayor's Office
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: for Film and Television, and they're very big on educating
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: to so many shows shooting New York. They're very big
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: on educating the city about why film is great and
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: TV is great and how it supports everything. And one
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: of the things that they do is they train a
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: lot of the They have a program that trains a
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: lot of people who want to get involved in the
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: industry to create the infrastructure there really and yeah, and well,
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: and that's the challenge with Poise is there's there are
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: there is a small team people who are willing to
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: do it. There's just a small team, sure, you know.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: And so we are we're bringing out some crew in California,
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: and we do have the community support and a lot
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: of people who are very interested in the arts stepping
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: us out. But the people with the skill sets, for
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: sure are there's a there's always so many there's there's
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: so many of them, and there's like they're either on
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: other projects that you're doing other things, so you can
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: find these places to shoot, but the project that you're
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: making still is going to cost somebody because you have
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: to bring you have to bring, you have to bring. Yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: you have to bring in the support network for it,
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: for sure.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is true.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: And but I you know, I still think you know
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: again that that filming in in you know, the small
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: towns and stuff like that, it's always you know, it's
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: it's always an advantage if you can use it as
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: an advantage. And what I mean by that is, you
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: know where towns where they're not actually you know, fatigue
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: from filming, whether not fatigue for people asking for favors.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Or you know whatever else.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: You know, that's why if you do live in Middle
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: America or even in a small town in California, whatever,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: you can actually because again you know people you know
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: and you and people were willing to help you. Because
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: if you live in a small town, most of the
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: time you all know each other, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: other than living in like New York or LA where
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: as soon as you walk in you go, hey, hey,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: you know, hey, Lily, I want to film in your restaurant.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: You'll like just get out of here.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: No exactly exactly, And that was ultimately, I mean, I'm
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: from Boise, so that's sort of the short reason why
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: we're here for production. But yeah, just the generosity and
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: just people are so freaking nice. And you know, when
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: you're poor and you're young, and this is both of
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: our first feature and you're starting at I mean, you
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: just even need that infrastructure of support and not even
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: I mean yes, professional support of talented people that are
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: willing to work for not a lot of money on set,
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: but just people that are willing to bring you food,
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: people that are willing to house your crew, people that
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: are willing to you.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: Know, we were freaking out.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: We didn't have our we're prepping our crowdfunding campaign on
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: seed and Spark, and we realized like two and a
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: half weeks out that we didn't have graphics, like we
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: needed a thumbnail for the video, we need reward stuff,
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: and we were like, oh no, We're like, okay, well
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: we need to hire someone basically today who can start
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: work tomorrow. We can't pay them, and we need them
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: to deliver like a bunch of stuff in like ten days.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: And we were like who could we talk to? And
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: we were like literally, know what, Like like students aren't
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: going to do that, Like professionals aren't gonna work for free.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: We were freaking out. I talked to my dad, Davey Suda,
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: who works like in marketing. He works in e commerce
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: at a company that sells meat, but like he's done
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: some stuff and like sort of the commercial in film
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: space and has directed and produced and done some stuff
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: like that, but has done a lot of work in
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: the advertising sphere, and reached out to his friend Paul Carew,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: who runs a local ad agency, and was like, Hey, Paul,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: will you designed for my daughter for free? And Paul
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: was like sure, and so we got like a whole
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: team of people to like do our graphics for literally
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: no pay, you know, And you're not going to get
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: that in LA or I'm not Maybe if you're maybe
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: if you had better better friends, but you're really well connected,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: you're really if you're not me, basically, maybe LA would
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: play out for you.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: So better friends. Yeah, I like that.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Michael, get out, Yeah, Mike, come on.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: No, it's true. She's literally like it's she's bringing all
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: the resources to the project and I'm just kind of
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: coming in and going, yeah, let's do this, let's not
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: do this.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: He provides moral support, moral support.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I like that, So let's talk about like love you know.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: I'm interested because you know, I can just tell, well,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: you're you're you know, both you're wearing a lot of
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: different hats for this project, so you know, you know, Lily,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: you're from Boise, so you're shooting getting Boise, Idaho. You know, Mike,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: you're you're coming along for the ride. So, uh, you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: and Lily.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: You wrote this correct, that's correct?
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: And then and Michael, you're directing it?
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: I am, yes?
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: And then now are you both storing in it?
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: I am. Michael will be making a small appearance as
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: gas station attendant, but I'm playing the lead role. Correct.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, cool?
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: So just to talk more about like love, you know, Lily,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: since you wrote it, could you sort of give us
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: the log line or synopsis about the film?
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. So it's heavily inspired by When Harry
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Met Sally, as I suppose most romantic comedies are, but
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: we wanted to take that sort of a step further
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: and very directly honor, you know, the interviews of When
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Harry Met Sally. For those of you who've seen the film,
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: you know, and for those of you who don't, I'll
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: fill you in real fast. You know. So When Harry
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: met Sally is like the classic rom com about two
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: friends who eventually fall in love over the course of
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: like thirteen years or whatever being together. But the backbront
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: of the story is a series of interviews of like
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: old sort of crotchety couples telling the stories of how
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: they met and how they fell in love. And I
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: love when Harry met Sally, but I think the.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: Interview, the tension of it is that like the tension
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: of it is is there these two people who are
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: friends that fall in love, but it's like men and
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: women can't be friends.
• 30:00
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• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: Because the sex and the traction always gets in the way, right,
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: And at the end of the movie it turns out
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: that's true, because of course they get together.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: So the interviews being all these various elderly couples telling
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: us stories of how they met, how they fell in love,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: and I think the interviews have aged really badly, Like
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: if you watch them now, they're all of these like
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: sort of sad stories of where it's like.
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: The guy is like, well, I saw this woman and
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: she was so fine that I just had to have
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: her and we'd been married for one hundred years, and
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: you're like, I don't know if that's like cute, you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: like and obviously the interviews are intended to be funny,
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: but they just I don't know, like if you wanted
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: to go there, or may be a little bit misogynistic,
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: but they just reflect I think this very outdated sort
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: of idea of like love at first sight, like then
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: being together forever is more important than like being happy
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: or supporting each other in a meaningful way.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: So that was sort of the impetus for the story.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: So Like Love is, as we've been pitching it, an
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: anti romantic comedy about two friends who try to fall
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: in love and can't and what that then means for
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: their friendships for them individually and trying to overcome the
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: can men and women actually just be friends and have
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: that be a meaningful prize at the end.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: And it particularly plays on the gender dynamic because it's
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: from the woman's perspective and how she's not he's into her,
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: but she's not into him, and what like, like how
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: she feels precious because she thought she has this really
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: absolute friend and he wants something more.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: And she doesn't want to jeopardize the friendship, and it's
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: easier for her to try and be in love with
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: him than for her to tell him that she's just
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: not interested.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I say, so the old friend zone I plays I'm
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: familiar with very very often.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding. No, odd, but.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: You're like, I've been there. I feel that I think
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: we all have.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: So his story of my life.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: No, but but you know, so when you were talking
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: about the interviews, Lily, let me what kind of like
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: I say, I always think there's there's generation gaps because
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: I think each generation, you know, they have a different
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: idea of relationships and love and all these sort of things.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: And you know, I fall into the millennial category. I guess,
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: are you millennial generation?
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know or how far are you on the cutoff?
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: We're we're on the cut We're so we're both what
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: like she you're twenty one one, I'm twenty two, Like
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: we're both on that like cutoff where like I think
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: the New York Times even had like a whole thing
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: about it where they're like they ask people our age specifically,
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: are we millennial? Yeah? Because the cutoff is supposed to
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: be like oh, some people say the cut off is
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: two thousand and two thousand and one, and some people
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: are like, no, it's nineteen ninety and that's.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: A significant difference.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: But we're like right in the middle of Like it's
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: weird because like the Parkland teams that are so big
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: for their activism or even called gen gen Z or
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: whatever and years yeah, yeah, and we're like we're like
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: not that much older than them, like they would have
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: been freshman when we were seniors in high school.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: So unclear. Well, I feel like the millennial sounds snappier,
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: so we'll go with that.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: We're in that weird middle gap of like I remember
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: what it was like to play outside and I did
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: that just barely, and I remember life, but I remember
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: life more cell phones. Yeah, but definitely we've grown up
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: with them, and for sure what the expectation that smartphones
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: and all that stuff.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Sure, and online dating and all of that stuff.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: So so I mean I think on what probably like
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: eight the nine years older than both of you, because
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: I'm thirty one, so it's kind of I'm well, yeah,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: so basically like about ten years older than you guys.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: So I'm kind of like the because I read somewhere.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: That that the millennial coff was like nineteen eighty to nineteen,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: like ninety two. I think it was so like I,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: you know, I fall into that category there, and I
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: always sort of go back and I and I see how,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: you know, these different generation gaps in this country kind
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: of view different things because each generation kind of is
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: is a lot different than the one before it. I
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: mean you have the you have the the once in
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: the nineteen forty, which are called the Greatest generation, and
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: then you have the they gave birth to the Baby
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Boomers and they they were totally different in a lot
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: of different ways. And then you have the Generation xers,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: which you know, which are even more you know, different
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: than their parents. I mean it's just you know, I
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's any country in the world that
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: has such generation gaps as we do here in America.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Definitely. And I think, you know, sort of the evolution
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: of the romantic comedy or just maybe how people see
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: romance in general is a good time capsule of that
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: that gap.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, And that's why I think with the with
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: those uh interviews, I think that's a good you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: time capsule to have because I think, you know, you're
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: you know, you're looking and saying, look, you know this
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: is you know, they they they dated. I mean, look
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: look at how finding jobs are so different now, you know.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Back you know, you hear a lot of baby boomers
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: talk and they go, oh, you know I we asked
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: the old uh Fred to have the steel mill for
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: a job, and I got a job. And we're like,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: what the hell are you talking about? Like, you know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: there's no there's no steel mills. And and if you
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: go to a place right now and say hey, can
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: I talk to somebody, They're gonna say no, you have
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: to make an appointment, you.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Have to apply, blah blah blah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Definitely, you know what I mean.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: So it's like it's all it's all so different now.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: But that's why, you know again, we're just going back
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: to the generational gaps. But you know when you're so
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: you're you're on Seed and Spark right now, or you're
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: going to be on scene Spark correct, you're going to
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: be launching.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: We are live as of two days ago. So this
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: is day or is this day three? This is day three,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: Day three D of our campaign. So we have twenty
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: seven days to go.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: So so what are some of the you know, the
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: things that you've encountered.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Why where you're planning this crowd funny campaign, have you
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: have you been encountered a lot of you know, unexpected
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: things that have sort of come up.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: I guess just that it's really hard, Like I would say,
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: nobody tells you, but everybody tells you that, oh it'll
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: be really hard, and you're like, oh, but it won't
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: be that hard, and then you start doing it and
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: you're like, this is in fact very hard.
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: Yes, it's a it's a full time job and in.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Of itself, but you don't get paid. You hope that
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: other people pay the campaign. So no, but we have
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: a great team and like we have a we have
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: a social media advisor, and our producers have been involved
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: as well. So you know, again it's pretty early on
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: and we've made good progress given where we're at. But
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: it's a long, a long and windy road ahead of us,
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: i'd imagine.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: So, so what is your goal right now?
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: We're trying to raise a little over thirty one thousand
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: dollars up and then the budget's a little bit higher
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: than that. We also received a generous grant from the
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: Alexa Rose Foundation in Idaho, sports, Idaho based artists like
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: Lily So. Uh, but the thirty one thirty one k
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: is the is roughly the goal on the platform. Yeah, yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: on the platform.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: So before the you know, the the launch of this,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you know Marty was probably working with you
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: on this. So did did you know if there's any
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: advice you would give to anybody out there? What would
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: what would it be that you maybe you wish you
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: would have done differently, or you know, maybe just you know,
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: is it more time, did you wish you have something else?
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Is there anything you would have you know that that
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: you wish you knew that you know now before we launched.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, you know, it's it's kind of it's
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: kind of in a way like the pro it's not.
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: It's similar to the process of preparing for just to
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: make a movie in general, Like you know, you really
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: do have to plant uh, Like there's the crowd funding
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: campaign has its own separate reproduction. You have to pitch
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: video that needs to really reflect the movie because people
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: are watching that and they're expecting and when they see
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: that that they're going to see what they're going to
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: see when you make the actual movie.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and visual consistency and fonts and colors and graphics
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: and all that. You know, I feel like we I
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: think we did everything we could, which is not to
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: say we couldn't have done more. You know, again, we're
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: only three days in and I'm already like, oh my god,
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: we haven't done enough. But I think it's just giving
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: yourself time to fully prepare and just really going through
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: all the specifics with your team, and ultimately, I guess
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: it's about cultivating a cohesive message of like, so, what
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: is the project, why does it matter? And who would
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: watch it? And Michael and I we had sort of
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: a turbulent road with producers, and so like we've gone
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: through a lot of stages of pitching the project, of
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: selling the project of you know, who are we and
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: why should we tell this? And why this story? And
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: why now? And I think once you've done that work,
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, yes, you need to think about what you're
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: going to post on Twitter and whatever, but it's more
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: about that branding of what you're selling is what I
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: would advise people to think about.
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and making sure that your your team in particular,
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: is very consistent in that message. And because you have
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: your friends and your family who are going to donate,
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: and that makes up a large part of it. But
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: then your movies geared towards a very specific audience like ours,
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: which is, well, you know, young millennials. Then how do
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: you market a movie to your friends and family so
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: that they donate, but then also make that message so
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: that it plays to the people I would watch a movie.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like your grandma would probably donate to your movie,
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: But your grandma is probably not your ideal audience member,
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: you know. I mean I love my grandma's, don't get
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: me wrong.
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: But and then your ideal audience member isn't exactly someone
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: who's rich and has a lot of money, So how
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: do you find them? Get them? And so it's been
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: a costed back and forth of like where are we
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: going online to find these fears?
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah? So maybe the point is you should just make
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: a movie that only really rich people would want to watch.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: I think that's your ideal film, and then the audience
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: just takes care of itself.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: You know. I think that is excellent advice.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: I think just having rich friends and just saying, hey,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: this movie will be for you.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: And the weird part is only I, you know, because
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: I get to talk to so many that one of
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: the benefits of doing this podcast is I get to
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: talk to so many different people.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Will be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 40:05
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• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Not only in America, but also you know, all over
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: the world. And sometimes it actually happens where somebody has
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: a very rich friend who doing a lot of money
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: to projects and I'm just like you, son of a bitch?
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: How that? Hell?
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: Ca?
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: You know, how do can I get that? Because you know,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I'm just some schmuck here in Philly, but you know,
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: come on.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, And I think it's also about remembering and
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: I say this, I'm really bad at implementing it, but
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: in theory remembering that as an independent filmmaker, especially if
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: you're if you're like Michael or I, where you're willing
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: to wear a lot of hats. I mean I can
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: barely see for all of the hats that I'm wearing.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: But you know, where you're wearing a lot of hats,
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: you're doing a lot of work that you need to
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: love doing the work because ninety nine percent of the
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: work is not being on set. It's not being on set,
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: and it's not shooting the movie and it's not like
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: getting a beautiful shot, right, it's like you're gonna you're like, hey,
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: today's the day we're going to hire a production designer,
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: and that needs to be really interesting to you, or
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: like today's the day we're gonna come up with a
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: mock poster, and that needs to be really exciting to you,
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: because like that is your that is most of your job.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: It's not out of people.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: And if people see that Mathew love doing the work,
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: then they're more interested in contributing. Like you've got to
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: be You've got to be really open and like vulnerable
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: about everything that it is you're doing, which is really
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: hard when you're a filmmaker who's telling a story. Like
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: usually you know you're a little cagy because you're putting
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: you're putting art out into the world, and you know
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: there's a good chance a lot of people everyone has
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: an opinion.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: At that, that's for sure, sure.
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: And but if you're willing to just like what I've
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: been discovering is you've just got to be willing to
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: be very open about it. Define like when so like
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: we shared like our campaigns, like our film's tone reel,
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: we're sharing like the actual process of like the nitty
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: greed of power creating race and it's about.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: You get Yeah, you get to watch Michael and I
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: eat like nineteen frozen waffles, which is a pretty good time.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: Which in case you were wondering, like, don't eat frozen
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: waffles when they're warm from the sun. Like, I wouldn't
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: advise that. It's a terrible idea. So that's the kind
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: of stuff that you just can't learn it in film school.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: I don't want to warrant you.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Don't warn you about the waffles.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just, uh, some of the things you learn
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: in film school and some of the.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Things you can't. And that's one of them.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: Don't eat the waffles that are are that aren't.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Eat don't eatles. Yeah, I make that a T shirt.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: You can have that.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. LETI thank you. I know we're running
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: out of time.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: I know you both have to run, So I'm going
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: to link to everything in the show notes everybody. But
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: just in closing, Lily and Michael, is there anything you
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: want to say to sort of put a period at
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: the end of this whole conversation.
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, thank you so much for having us on
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: the show. It's great just you know, the talk and
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: talk about the project just so other people can hear
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: about it, and you know, more of happy to if
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: anybody who's listening. I know a lot of your listeners
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: are very interested in working professionals, and you know, we're
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: happy to connect and whenever we way we can which project,
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: but also to help them because the reason we the
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: reason I'm doing this and the reason I'm in film
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: the generals because I love working with other people and
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: tying that into Like Love. I'm very excited about the crew.
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: We've got to trap a young crew, micro budget of
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: ten people, homeless.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Micro budget, so micro.
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: You know, we're all wearing multiple hats, and I'm so
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: excited for you, for for everyone to get to see
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: the work that we're doing. And I think, what's what's
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: true about this movie? And it becomes a cliche, but
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: you know, we're here because we value working with each
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: other and we value the story that we feel like
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: we haven't seen for Yeah, and Like Love has been.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: Very collaborative, very clear, very collaborate, and I think, you know,
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: in the spirit of collaboration of working with other people,
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: I think my my takeaway for for listeners or I
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: don't know, just other people out in the art industry.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: Like I was telling Michael, nothing makes you want to
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: be generous to other people who make art, like desperately
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: asking people to give you money, like again, we're only
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: a day three of our campaign, and you know, I
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: think it's easy as you know, whether whether you are
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: a working artist or you just someone who likes art,
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: you know that you see other people making stuff and
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: they're like, hey, like we need extra, Hey we need
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: five dollars or hey, and it's kind of like, oh,
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: that's nice. But it's easy for that to sort of
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: into the background of your life and not then that
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: you owe it to everyone you meet to give them
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: five dollars or spend your real way to become an extra.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: But you know, just little things of there are people
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: in your life or your community who are writing a
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: play and need a place to stage it, or if
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: there are people like you know, I think may making
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: art inprinsically requires the help and support of others. And
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: I think if you're in a place to support people,
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: you have an oblation to do so. And I know
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: that's something I was not very good at before starting
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: to movie, and even on a very small level, Just
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: like I was at a play the other night at
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Homegrown Theater in Boise, and you know, they were like
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: really looking for people to help the sponsors. Right for
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: five bucks a month, you can become a sponsor, And
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, I want to be
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: a sponsor because like I've spent literally my whole day
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: of sending emails trying to get people to give me
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: five dollars and it is so hard, and I think, like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, at that moment, I was like, the least
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  Speaker 5: I can do is like, you know, help them keep
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  Speaker 5: the power on so.
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  Speaker 6: Well, and that's that's what's cool about supporting like love
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  Speaker 6: is like love is being supported by a community like boys. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: so it's like it so like would people come and
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  Speaker 6: support us. They're supporting Boise General, sure, and you know
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  Speaker 6: we're supporting them in tandems. It's a win win in
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  Speaker 6: that way, and it's it's really great to be a
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  Speaker 6: part of a project like that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. So I think to anyone out there, if you
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  Speaker 5: can help us out, that would be awesome. But really, truly,
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  Speaker 5: there's any way we can help anyone out there if
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  Speaker 5: you're looking for advice or help or maybe five dollars.
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  Speaker 5: I have exactly five dollars to give, so hit me up.
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  Speaker 5: You can find us on our site. We could give
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  Speaker 5: it to our sell we could give it to ourselves. No, no,
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  Speaker 5: this five dollars is only reserved for someone who's not you,
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  Speaker 5: Michael Love So yeah, but day, thank you so much
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  Speaker 5: for having us. We really appreciate it. Yeah, if you
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  Speaker 5: have any questions or comments for us, like, feel free
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  Speaker 5: to feel free to let us know.
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  Speaker 6: And you can find the links to our social and
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  Speaker 6: everything in our seat spark at like clubmovie dot com.
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  Speaker 5: And that should all be in the show notes.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, and that will be thank you so much
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  Speaker 4: for having Oh no, no, no, no album, no problem, Mike, Mike
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  Speaker 4: and Dully and uh yes everyone, everything will be at
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  Speaker 4: the show notes because I know a lot you know,
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: everybody died or I'm sorry everyone ingests a podcasts of
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  Speaker 4: really sometimes they're you know, riding in their car, or
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  Speaker 4: they're walking to work, or they're at the gym, so
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  Speaker 4: so they can always check those show notes.
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  Speaker 3: That's one thing. That's one tip I've.
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  Speaker 4: Always learned about podcasts is that you should if you're
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  Speaker 4: are going to give you know, you know, like links
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  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. It's always you have to you
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  Speaker 4: have to do the one twoc commodation of putting them
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  Speaker 4: in the show notes because people people, you know, people
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  Speaker 4: are busy. They're not like, oh my god, I got
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's Adesley out of mine.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't think I've ever listened to a podcast
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  Speaker 5: not in my car, So that is that is sage advice.
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  Speaker 5: As Min. I'm going to test to you. I do
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  Speaker 5: like to text while I am driving the car, but
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: that is not safe. I would not recommend that, so
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: please please haul at your motor vehicle before checking the
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  Speaker 5: show notes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, don't, don't click and drive, you know, so just
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  Speaker 4: put the phone down. Lilly Michael, I want to say
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  Speaker 4: thank you so much for coming on.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Dave, thank you, thank you. And
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: I have to give Marty another thank you for introducing
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  Speaker 6: us because it's a great conversation.
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  Speaker 5: Big shout out to Marty.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
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  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
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  Speaker 3: Thank you again so much for listening.
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