Latest / Karl and Crew / Apologetics Guide to Trusting the Bible with Todd Hampson & 2 Core Truths of Christianity with J. Warner Wallace
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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
- 0:06S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
- 0:10S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
- 0:16S1: the truth daily.
- 0:17S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
- 0:21S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
- 0:25S2: that would make it worth it.
- 0:26S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:29S3: the life source, which is God.
- 0:32S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 0:36S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 0:39S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 0:44S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 0:48S1: and crew. Core truths are so transformational and we're going
- 0:51S1: to have a question for you. In fact, think on
- 0:53S1: this one right now. Boom. Crew. What core truth is
- 0:56S1: most giving you freedom in your life? I want to
- 0:58S1: give you one that a lot of moms and dads
- 1:01S1: need to hear today, especially moms and dads. You can't
- 1:06S1: save your kids, and that's freeing. You can't save your kids.
- 1:12S1: Oh man, what a freeing truth. But the Holy Spirit can.
- 1:20S1: Isn't that great?
- 1:20S5: Yeah. It's the the. You can feel a lot of pressure.
- 1:24S1: Oh, I.
- 1:25S5: Put a lot of pressure on yourself, on every conversation.
- 1:29S1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. And you're right. When you when you
- 1:32S1: feel like something in your kids salvation is up to you, boy,
- 1:37S1: you start saying crazy stuff and you stumble over your
- 1:41S1: words and you walk away from conversations or interactions and
- 1:45S1: you feel like, oh, I blew it. I didn't get
- 1:48S1: that right or I didn't take the perfect opportunity. It's
- 1:52S1: a real trap of Satan, isn't it?
- 1:54S5: Yeah. Particularly as your kids get older, because obviously when
- 1:57S5: they're when they're younger, you're training them. Yeah, you're teaching
- 2:03S5: them the Bible, you're taking them to church and you're
- 2:05S5: trying to establish that foundation so they know the truth
- 2:10S5: and can one day see the truth for themselves. As
- 2:13S5: they get older, if you see that that hasn't happened,
- 2:16S5: or maybe they were once walking with the Lord and
- 2:19S5: have walked away.
- 2:21S1: Yeah, it's it's, it's a freeing thing to know that
- 2:26S1: it is the Holy Spirit that regenerates souls. The Holy
- 2:32S1: Spirit convicts of sin, righteousness, and judgment. What a great
- 2:38S1: core truth. And there's some of you moms and dads.
- 2:40S1: You've beaten yourself up, aunts and uncles, neighbors. You feel like,
- 2:45S1: oh no, I totally blew it. And I mean, this
- 2:47S1: can manifest itself in a lot of ways. You can
- 2:50S1: have a bad moment around someone you've been trying to
- 2:53S1: share Christ with, and you're like, oh, they're forever damned
- 2:56S1: to hell because I got something wrong. And it's just
- 3:02S1: now that doesn't give us a green light to be knuckleheads.
- 3:04S1: We're called to be salt and light, and we are
- 3:07S1: ambassadors for Christ. Second Corinthians five. Matthew 516. Let your
- 3:12S1: light so shine before men, that they will see your
- 3:15S1: good deeds and glorify your father who is in heaven.
- 3:17S1: But it's ultimately the Holy Spirit that takes even good deeds, lived,
- 3:23S1: and interprets those into the hearts of a lost person,
- 3:26S1: of something that needs to bring them to the end
- 3:29S1: of themselves. And man, I just for all you moms
- 3:33S1: and dads, let out a hallelujah. You don't save your kids.
- 3:37S1: You shine brightly. You be messengers. And I commonly tell
- 3:42S1: moms and dads that'll come to me and say, Pastor Carl, uh,
- 3:46S1: what can I do? And the one thing I'll say
- 3:49S1: is you keep shining. Two things I would say keep
- 3:53S1: shining brightly the life that you're experiencing in Christ. And
- 3:57S1: if there's anything from the past that you can own,
- 3:59S1: go back and go, you know what? Would you forgive
- 4:02S1: me for this? And it's usually something like, man, I
- 4:06S1: was so fixated on what you did and how you
- 4:10S1: acted that I almost tried to use a pry bar
- 4:13S1: to get you guided in the ways that you should go.
- 4:17S1: And would you forgive me that pressure I put on you?
- 4:20S1: Maybe a legalism. And that can be pretty freeing for
- 4:24S1: a kid, right?
- 4:24S5: Oh, yeah. I mean, an apology, a heartfelt apology, and
- 4:28S5: own taking ownership that can really that can be a
- 4:33S5: powerful moment.
- 4:34S1: It can be so good. It can be so good. Okay,
- 4:37S1: so we got a question for you. What core truth
- 4:40S1: has most given you freedom in your life? And as
- 4:44S1: we say that, I know there are thousands of you
- 4:47S1: listening right now. You go, boy, have I got it. Well,
- 4:50S1: we want to hear it, don't we?
- 4:52S5: We do. 805, 55, 78, 98. What core truth has
- 4:57S5: most given you freedom in your life? 805, 55, 78, 98.
- 5:02S1: Taking your calls. Light em up. Boom. Crew 805 557898.
- 5:08S6: It's Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
- 5:11S1: What core truth has most given you freedom in your life?
- 5:15S1: 805 five. 57898 Jamie. First time caller from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
- 5:23S1: How are you?
- 5:25S7: Great. How are you?
- 5:26S1: Great. What's that core truth that's giving you freedom and liberty?
- 5:30S7: I am enough.
- 5:32S1: You want to expand on that a little bit? Jamie,
- 5:34S1: there's got to be a back story there.
- 5:37S7: Sure. Yes. Uh, it was a relationship that I was in,
- 5:42S7: and I didn't measure up to that person, but I
- 5:44S7: just knew God was telling me that I measured up
- 5:47S7: to him, and I am enough.
- 5:48S1: Boom! Boom. That's a powerful thing, isn't it?
- 5:52S5: Yeah. And I love I love that you expounded on that, Jamie. Um,
- 5:55S5: because the, the kind of the in parentheses there is in, in,
- 6:00S5: when we're in Christ, we're, we're enough because we know
- 6:03S5: that our own merit, we don't, you know, we don't
- 6:05S5: bring anything to the table, but because we belong to him,
- 6:09S5: we are his kid. And there's so many privileges that
- 6:12S5: come with it. So we don't need somebody else's stamp
- 6:14S5: of approval. So you're right on there.
- 6:16S1: Right on. Jamie. Boom, sister. Have a great day in Pittsburgh.
- 6:20S1: By the way, are you a Steelers fan?
- 6:23S7: Have to be.
- 6:24S1: Yeah. Yeah. You almost have to be, don't you? All right, kiddo,
- 6:27S1: you have a great day. We're we're so grateful you're listening.
- 6:30S1: Really are. Thank you so much. Got a question for you.
- 6:33S1: Boom crew. What is it, Ellie?
- 6:35S5: What core truth has most given you freedom in your life? 805. Five. Five. 78. 98.
- 6:42S5: This is the thing. Not just that you believe, but
- 6:45S5: that you have really taken ownership of, and it has
- 6:49S5: given you such freedom. 805 557898 (800) 555-7898.
- 6:57S6: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Carl
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- 7:03S1: Man, we get phone lines lighting up here. Got a
- 7:05S1: question for you. Based on core truths this whole week,
- 7:07S1: what core truth has most given you freedom in your life?
- 7:13S1: Love that question because I mean, it's for freedom that
- 7:16S1: Christ has set us free. And it's not a freedom.
- 7:19S1: It's not. It's based on grace that allows us to
- 7:22S1: live as we never even imagined. It's a beautiful thing.
- 7:26S1: So we're taking your calls 800 555, 78, 98.
- 7:30S5: Let's go to Tim calling in this morning from Florida. Tim.
- 7:33S5: Go ahead. You're on with Carl and crew. What core
- 7:35S5: truth has most given you freedom in your life?
- 7:38S8: Yes. The Scripture says forgetting the things that are behind
- 7:42S8: the day. I realized that it doesn't say that I
- 7:45S8: forgot them one time and they'll never come back to
- 7:47S8: my mind. But that that's a present progressive forgetting. That's
- 7:51S8: an ongoing thing. Yes. So when the enemy or my
- 7:53S8: own mind brings back to me. Oh yeah. Remember that
- 7:57S8: I remember. Oh, I have to forget all over again.
- 8:00S8: It's fine that it comes back. And now the Lord
- 8:03S8: has helped me to get into prison ministry. And I
- 8:06S8: tell the same thing to the inmates who've been forgiven. Yes,
- 8:09S8: the past is going to keep coming back to them,
- 8:11S8: but just keep on forgetting. Every time that happens.
- 8:14S9: That's beautiful.
- 8:14S1: Did present progressive. Come on, man, we got a word
- 8:18S1: study here. That's great. Tim. Love you, man. Boom. That's
- 8:21S1: why we call you the boom crew. Thank you so much,
- 8:24S1: Teresa in Greenwood, Indiana. We got you. Now, what's that
- 8:27S1: core truth that's giving you freedom? Whoa.
- 8:32S10: The fact that I am not. I am not in control.
- 8:34S10: And God is.
- 8:36S1: Yeah, it's there's some freedom in that, isn't there? His sovereignty,
- 8:40S1: his providence and sovereignty is an interesting thing because sometimes we, we,
- 8:45S1: we tend to think, God, I know you're in control,
- 8:49S1: but it feels like you're not at the controls. I mean,
- 8:53S1: it can feel like that, right, Ellie?
- 8:54S5: Absolutely. But what we feel doesn't mean it's true.
- 8:58S1: Boy, that's so true. Speaking of what we feel, let's
- 9:02S1: go to Dawn. First time caller in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
- 9:05S1: Let's get her loaded up in there. Merle. Dawn. First
- 9:09S1: time caller, Grand Rapids line for there. There we go. Dawn.
- 9:13S1: What do you say?
- 9:15S11: The truth that set me free was that my feelings
- 9:19S11: and emotions are not truth. As a young teenager and
- 9:24S11: young woman, I flew by that. And then after doing
- 9:28S11: Nancy DeMoss Bible study, Lies, Women Believe and the truth
- 9:33S11: that sets them Free. Man, that gave me so much
- 9:36S11: freedom to respond according to God's truth. Not my feelings.
- 9:41S5: So good. Don. That's a great study. First time caller
- 9:45S5: from Grand Rapids, Michigan. Appreciate you. Let's go to Jenny
- 9:48S5: calling in this morning from North Lake, Illinois. Jenny, what's
- 9:51S5: that core truth that's given you most freedom in your life?
- 9:55S12: That I am fearfully and wonderfully made. I know my value.
- 10:01S12: I know who I am in Christ. I was raised
- 10:03S12: in foster homes, tossed around, uh, sexually molested throughout my childhood.
- 10:08S12: But now I'm fearfully and wonderfully made. The old is gone.
- 10:11S12: I'm in the prayer ministry in my church. And praise God.
- 10:15S12: Praise God.
- 10:16S9: Yeah, Jenny.
- 10:16S1: The fact that God has so embedded that in your
- 10:21S1: heart with what you've been through is such a beautiful thing, sister.
- 10:25S1: And you can tell by the lilt in her voice
- 10:28S1: that she means it. She's living it. How sweet is that?
- 10:32S5: It's amazing.
- 10:32S12: Yes.
- 10:33S5: Praise God. Thank you. Jenny.
- 10:34S9: Wow, Jenny. Thank you.
- 10:36S1: Felicia. First time caller. Trenton, Georgia. How you doing, And
- 10:41S1: what what are you saying to this great truth that
- 10:44S1: has helped set you free?
- 10:47S13: Good morning. Uh, the Bible verse that tells us that
- 10:51S13: it's while we were yet sinners, that Christ died for us.
- 10:54S13: We don't have to earn our salvation. We don't have
- 10:58S13: to be good enough. He loves us. And it's only
- 11:01S13: by his grace and faith that we are receiving his salvation.
- 11:06S13: It's nothing that we did. Therefore, if we're feeling like
- 11:11S13: we're not good enough, that's not true. God loves us
- 11:14S13: right where we are.
- 11:15S9: Yeah.
- 11:16S1: Alicia, you're a good sister, man. It is so great.
- 11:19S1: And how about these core truths? Set us free.
- 11:23S5: While we were yet sinners? That's such a powerful reminder.
- 11:28S6: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 11:33S1: You know, we kicked off this half hour with something.
- 11:35S1: And I've got to believe there's a lot of you
- 11:38S1: that need to hear a word of encouragement, and I'm
- 11:40S1: going to state it again. You can't save your kids.
- 11:48S1: That hurts. Doesn't mom and dad? You can't save your kids.
- 11:54S1: The hope is that the Spirit of God can convict
- 11:57S1: of sin and righteousness and judgment had a precious. Really
- 12:03S1: precious text. Come in here. I'm just going to read
- 12:05S1: it to you. Boom crew. And then I want to
- 12:07S1: respond to this. Thank you so much. I needed that
- 12:09S1: reminder this morning. I literally lost sleep last night praying
- 12:13S1: over my son because a few months ago he decided
- 12:16S1: to walk away from his faith. As soon as I
- 12:19S1: turned on the car this morning, he reminded me that
- 12:21S1: his salvation is not in my hands. And she goes
- 12:24S1: on to say, he made his profession of faith when
- 12:28S1: he was 13. But now, after being off in college
- 12:31S1: for a couple of years, he decides he's an atheist now,
- 12:34S1: and it's just breaking my heart. Uh, mom? Dad, I
- 12:40S1: don't know who you are. My heart's broken with you.
- 12:43S1: But this is an epidemic right now. Let me just
- 12:45S1: explain here. I mean, this tees up exactly why I
- 12:50S1: wrote the unstoppable gospel. This is. This is right here.
- 12:54S1: This is exhibit A of why? We have invited, rightly
- 13:04S1: children into faith in Christ. But one of the things
- 13:09S1: we need to grapple with is what we find in
- 13:11S1: first John. They went out from us because they were
- 13:15S1: not of us. There is a truth that I want
- 13:20S1: you to wrestle with here today. That belief that goes
- 13:25S1: beyond intellectual assent or raising a hand when no one's
- 13:29S1: looking or walking down an aisle or repeating a prayer
- 13:32S1: after me? Or do you want to accept Jesus. All
- 13:36S1: of which can they be used by God to save someone?
- 13:39S5: Absolutely.
- 13:40S1: Sure. But by and large, what we've done is we've
- 13:44S1: done it's gone on for 250 years now. It's something
- 13:49S1: that is called by biblical scholars. Decisionism. And we've we've
- 13:57S1: had these moments where. And Allie, your story is epic
- 14:01S1: this way because my goodness, if you got a choice
- 14:04S1: between heaven and hell, what are we taking.
- 14:06S9: Allie?
- 14:06S5: I mean, heaven for sure. Yeah. I mean, nobody wants
- 14:10S5: to go to hell.
- 14:11S1: I mean, there is. There's no kid in fifth grade
- 14:14S1: at Sunday school class. Let's just take that grade. No
- 14:17S1: kid in fifth grade at Sunday school class. When you
- 14:19S1: ask them, do you want Jesus in your life and
- 14:22S1: not go to hell? Of course they're going to put
- 14:25S1: their hand in the air. But the question is, is
- 14:28S1: that belief a regenerating belief? And oftentimes we find kids
- 14:34S1: that have, quote, I've got air quotes going deconstructed. And
- 14:37S1: we use that word a lot. And that's one of
- 14:40S1: those faddish things that we talked a lot about here
- 14:42S1: for a couple of years. Truth is, my firm conviction
- 14:46S1: on this one is you cannot deconstruct what was never
- 14:50S1: built on the rock, which is a intimate relationship with
- 14:56S1: the Son of God. By recognizing I'm a sinner, my
- 15:01S1: biggest problem is me. I need a Savior. With full
- 15:05S1: repentance that releases everything that you are into the hands
- 15:09S1: of God and repenting and turning around. Did an interview
- 15:14S1: with Erwin Lutzer. In fact, it's one of the links
- 15:17S1: in my book, The Unstoppable Gospel, and it's you're going
- 15:20S1: to be able to see it. It was really a
- 15:23S1: sweet time because in this interview, he says, you know,
- 15:25S1: he he had prayed prayers. But there was a time
- 15:28S1: when he was in his barn up in Canada when
- 15:32S1: he was just crushed with the weight of his sin.
- 15:35S1: The magnitude of it. And it wasn't some. I'm slipping
- 15:39S1: my hand in the air or avoiding hell. It was
- 15:41S1: an awareness of how much he had grieved God with
- 15:44S1: his life. And it was that moment that he became
- 15:49S1: a disciple of Christ. So I want to say to
- 15:53S1: all you moms and dads, I know it's heartbreaking, but
- 15:56S1: there's a lot of things you can believe. In fact,
- 15:59S1: I'm going to give you a link to a blog
- 16:00S1: that I wrote that is a, it's, it's embedded in
- 16:03S1: the book as well, the unstoppable gospel. But what I've
- 16:07S1: tried to iterate are 21 powerful Truths you can believe
- 16:13S1: and not be born again. Now, that title could really
- 16:16S1: discourage you, couldn't it?
- 16:17S5: Absolutely.
- 16:19S1: It could be massively discouraging. I mean, that could be hard.
- 16:23S1: But I've found that if we can grapple with reality,
- 16:28S1: then we can pray rightly. And I love you all.
- 16:36S1: I genuinely do. My heart aches for moms and dads
- 16:40S1: and people who love their kids and raise them in church,
- 16:44S1: and spouses who wonder, why does my husband go to
- 16:48S1: church with me? Why does my wife go to church
- 16:50S1: with me and the abundant life they even serve? They
- 16:55S1: go to small group. But the transforming nature of God
- 16:59S1: does not seem to be resonant there. And the answer
- 17:02S1: could be they have a powerless belief, but they've never
- 17:07S1: stepped into true faith. That changes everything. So 21 powerful
- 17:14S1: truths you can believe and not be born again. And
- 17:17S1: the dot, dot, dot here. And it's this how true
- 17:21S1: faith responds. So I want to give you a link
- 17:25S1: to this. You just text the word believe right now
- 17:28S1: to 800 555, 78, 98. And you can get at
- 17:33S1: this blog, believe one word, believe to 805, five, five, 78, 98.
- 17:42S1: And we'll, we'll get this link out to you. This
- 17:45S1: is a hard topic, isn't it?
- 17:47S5: It is. It's a very hard topic in a culture
- 17:50S5: that's still, even though we are post-Christian, in some ways,
- 17:54S5: I think we still consider ourselves a Christian nation.
- 17:59S9: Yeah.
- 18:00S1: Big time.
- 18:00S5: We do. Many, many, many people.
- 18:03S9: Would say.
- 18:04S5: Yeah, I'm I'm a Christian. I'm not. I'm not Muslim.
- 18:06S5: I'm not something else.
- 18:09S9: Yeah.
- 18:11S1: So take, take a look at it. And it's sobering
- 18:15S1: because when you read this blog, you're going to go, boy,
- 18:19S1: how can we be born again? In fact, in fact,
- 18:21S1: that's kind of Nicodemus question. Well, what do you mean?
- 18:24S1: I need to be born again? How do you do that?
- 18:26S1: And what does Jesus say? It's the Spirit of God
- 18:29S1: that's going to change us. So check it out. Text
- 18:32S1: believe to 805 557898. Text believe to 805 557898.
- 18:41S6: She was trying to earn her way to God, but
- 18:44S6: God showed her she didn't have to. Alli is in
- 18:48S6: the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 18:51S14: Well, he used to solve cold cases and then he
- 18:56S14: was born again, I believe in his 30s. If I'm not.
- 18:59S5: 35. Yes.
- 19:00S14: Which makes it that much sweeter. God, to take a
- 19:04S14: crusty old cop and turn him into a radical Jesus follower.
- 19:09S5: His name is J. Warner Wallace. He's a dateline featured
- 19:12S5: cold case homicide detective and incredible apologist. He's taken the
- 19:17S5: skills he learned in his detective work to apply them
- 19:20S5: to the faith. How do you how does the faith
- 19:23S5: stand up to that kind of investigation. Phenomenal guest coming up.
- 19:28S6: Standing on the rock. Each and every day you're listening
- 19:32S6: to Carl and Crew.
- 19:34S1: Okay. What do you do when you got a mid 30s?
- 19:36S1: I called him a crusty old cop. That's a horrible
- 19:38S1: thing to call him.
- 19:39S9: He's a good man.
- 19:40S1: But it's a term of endearment. You know, I have
- 19:42S1: those terms of endearment. What do you do when you
- 19:44S1: got a guy in his mid 30s who's a cop
- 19:46S1: in LA and he gets radically transformed by Jesus? I'll
- 19:50S1: tell you what you call him, J. Warner Wallace. That's
- 19:52S1: what you call him.
- 19:54S5: Dateline featured cold case, homicide detective, popular national speaker, podcast host.
- 20:00S5: That's the short version of his bio.
- 20:02S9: Yeah.
- 20:02S1: Tell us about salvation again. How in the world did
- 20:06S1: God call you out of darkness? It's a cool story,
- 20:08S1: isn't it, Jay Warner?
- 20:09S15: Well, I mean, I think you're right. I mean, God
- 20:11S15: has to do something first, and I don't think I
- 20:13S15: was anybody who would have ever considered going to church.
- 20:16S15: And my wife had wanted to go for a while and, uh,
- 20:19S15: and so I just resisted, but I was willing to
- 20:22S15: go in the sense like my dad would go. Because
- 20:24S15: my dad's not a believer and he would go if
- 20:26S15: he thought that it would help his wife. He's been
- 20:28S15: married a couple times and and he thought that his
- 20:30S15: wife wanted to go. He would say, okay. In other words,
- 20:33S15: he thought it was a useful delusion. And that was
- 20:35S15: fine with him. Yeah. So he would go. And so
- 20:37S15: I would go the same way. So I was willing
- 20:38S15: to go just to see what that was about. But
- 20:40S15: the pastor there, this this is a guy here in
- 20:43S15: Southern California who at least knew how to approach someone
- 20:46S15: like me because he described Jesus as the most interesting,
- 20:51S15: smartest guy who ever lived, who set a bunch of
- 20:53S15: really wise things that he thought, you know, I thought
- 20:56S15: that was intriguing about him. So I wanted to see
- 20:58S15: what was so smart about Jesus. And that's why I
- 21:00S15: bought the first Bible. But if you read through those scriptures,
- 21:03S15: you'll see like what I saw, which is that they
- 21:05S15: don't quite line up. They are slightly different. And that
- 21:08S15: is really the texture you see with eye witnesses in
- 21:11S15: criminal trials and criminal cases worked homicides for years. In
- 21:15S15: those cases, the witnesses never agree entirely. And that's actually
- 21:20S15: a kind of an earmark. It's to me, it was like, oh,
- 21:22S15: let me test these gospels because they seem to already
- 21:26S15: have this texture that I'm familiar with. And sure enough,
- 21:30S15: that's how I became a Christian, really was testing the
- 21:32S15: eyewitness accounts are eyewitness accounts, number one and two. If
- 21:35S15: they are, are they reliable eyewitness accounts? That's number two.
- 21:38S15: So so that was my process and that's how I
- 21:41S15: became a Christian.
- 21:41S9: Beautiful man.
- 21:43S5: J Warner Wallace with us this morning. So you touched
- 21:45S5: on it a little bit. What would you say were
- 21:47S5: the core truths that you were looking for when you
- 21:51S5: first started to examine the gospel? You wouldn't have said
- 21:54S5: the core truths of Christianity, but what were the things
- 21:57S5: that you needed to see that were true, that started
- 21:59S5: to lead you to belief?
- 22:01S15: Well, okay, so two things I would say you're right.
- 22:03S15: When you're a new investigator of the scriptures, you're not
- 22:05S15: looking at what are the core claims of this world.
- 22:07S15: You don't even care. You know, I'm not even sure
- 22:09S15: it's true. But as you get older in the faith,
- 22:11S15: you do develop what you think are the core truths now.
- 22:14S15: So when I first started, the core issues were for
- 22:16S15: me were simple. They were just, okay, Is this the
- 22:19S15: four attributes of eyewitness testimony? Were they written early enough
- 22:23S15: to have been written by eyewitnesses? Because the first question
- 22:26S15: you ask is, were they really there to see what
- 22:27S15: they said they saw? Two can they be corroborated in
- 22:30S15: some way? Three have they changed their story over time? And. Four,
- 22:34S15: do they have a reason, a motive to lie to me? Now,
- 22:36S15: that's exactly what we will ask jurors to consider when
- 22:40S15: they're listening to a witness on the stand. It's in
- 22:42S15: the California jury instructions. So I simply took that approach
- 22:45S15: with the Gospels. So those were the four things that
- 22:48S15: I was looking at. That to me would demonstrate if
- 22:51S15: an eyewitness was reliable or not. But of course, as
- 22:54S15: over time you realize there are other important core truths
- 22:57S15: of the worldview that distinguish it from other worldviews. And
- 23:00S15: that becomes kind of the shift.
- 23:02S1: How can those four core truths exist? So clearly, you
- 23:05S1: would say that if Jesus was trotted out in front
- 23:08S1: of a jury of his peers, he'd be convicted as
- 23:11S1: the Son of God, right? I mean, that's what you're
- 23:13S1: that's what your conclusion is. There's obviously a spiritual war
- 23:18S1: dynamic here. J Warner, J Warner Wallace, our guest.
- 23:21S9: Right. No doubt. I mean, yeah.
- 23:22S15: Because.
- 23:23S1: The God of this age is he's almost like he's
- 23:26S1: the new prosecuting attorney out there. Right?
- 23:31S15: Well, there's no doubt about the fact that no one
- 23:32S15: comes to the father except that those he calls, but
- 23:35S15: that when he calls them, he doesn't then give them
- 23:36S15: the evidence. Now, there's a mystery here between the sovereignty
- 23:39S15: of God and the free agency of man. And I
- 23:41S15: don't try to kind of bridge that mystery all that much.
- 23:44S15: I think we're going to get in front of God
- 23:45S15: at the end of all this, and we're going to
- 23:47S15: ask him that question. And probably all of us are
- 23:49S15: going to be wrong by a certain percentage. So. So
- 23:51S15: I kind of feel like I don't understand always that
- 23:54S15: how to resolve that. But I do know this John
- 23:56S15: the Apostle, if you read John's gospel, he seems to
- 23:59S15: be under the impression that the evidence matters because he
- 24:01S15: has Jesus repeatedly describing the two forms of evidence that
- 24:05S15: are used to convict anybody direct evidence, eyewitness testimony. Jesus says,
- 24:09S15: you have witnesses got John the Baptist. You had the
- 24:12S15: father who spoke to me when I was baptized. Everyone
- 24:15S15: heard that you have the Moses and the prophets who
- 24:18S15: wrote about me in the Old Testament. People have been
- 24:20S15: testifying about me. That's called direct evidence. The other stuff
- 24:24S15: is indirect. That's what the miracles are, he says. If
- 24:26S15: you don't believe them, you should at least believe on
- 24:28S15: the evidence of the miracles. I've worked in front of you.
- 24:32S15: And you see this throughout the Gospel of John, the
- 24:34S15: two forms of evidence. And when John the Baptist has
- 24:37S15: an issue, he simply shows John the Baptist the evidence
- 24:40S15: through his disciples, works miracles in front of his disciples
- 24:43S15: and says, go back and tell John what you just saw.
- 24:46S15: That's an evidentialist so there's a sense in which I
- 24:48S15: was very comfortable, and I realized that, yeah, there's a
- 24:51S15: mystery here. There's no doubt about it. God's sovereignty is
- 24:54S15: he is always going to be sovereign. But isn't it
- 24:56S15: interesting that when God presents himself to us, he presents
- 25:00S15: himself in an evidential way through four accounts? Remember, Mark
- 25:04S15: is writing for Peter. So this is what the earliest
- 25:07S15: church fathers claimed. And if that's the case, he's got
- 25:09S15: an eyewitness account of Peter chronicled by Mark Luke, is
- 25:13S15: chronicling the eyewitness accounts of other eyewitnesses. He says in
- 25:16S15: first chapter. Matthew is chronicling his eyewitness account. John is
- 25:20S15: chronicling his eyewitness account. These are exactly what you see,
- 25:24S15: the kinds of things you see in criminal trials. We
- 25:26S15: don't allow witnesses to write their own accounts. Typically, I
- 25:29S15: will write the witness account as I'm talking to the witness,
- 25:33S15: and that report becomes the record. So the same kind
- 25:36S15: of thing happens with Mark and Luke. So in the end,
- 25:39S15: I thought that was encouraging to me because they were
- 25:41S15: asking me not to believe something blindly, but to believe
- 25:43S15: something that apparently happened in the first century on the
- 25:46S15: basis of eyewitnesses.
- 25:48S5: J Warner Wallace, Dateline featured cold case homicide detective. Popular
- 25:52S5: national speaker. You mentioned how, as you have grown and
- 25:56S5: matured in your study, in your developing a truly Christian worldview.
- 26:01S5: What would you say are some of those core truths
- 26:04S5: for you now?
- 26:05S15: Well, two things I think what we and I encourage
- 26:08S15: Christians to be able to defend these two things because
- 26:11S15: that's what the Gospels try to do. Jesus spent 40
- 26:14S15: days after the Ascension, after the resurrection, rather before the
- 26:17S15: Ascension with the disciples, giving them many convincing proofs, according
- 26:21S15: to acts chapter one. Really? 40 more. You know, the
- 26:24S15: resurrection was enough. Apparently not. That's an evidentialist. So I
- 26:28S15: would say that the things that are matter to me
- 26:30S15: now are the things that are uniquely Christian. So anyone
- 26:34S15: who claims to be a follower of Christ or a
- 26:36S15: disciple of Christ, but denies the deity of Jesus is
- 26:40S15: really not in the camp of Christians. The deity of
- 26:44S15: Jesus is essential. Is he who he said he was
- 26:48S15: in John's gospel is so clear on this. And I
- 26:51S15: think John wrote it that way to kind of highlight
- 26:53S15: the statements of Jesus that others did not highlight, because
- 26:56S15: he realized that even in the first century, this is
- 26:59S15: a hard thing to swallow for a lot of people,
- 27:02S15: that Jesus is God incarnate. So that's the first thing that,
- 27:04S15: by the way, eliminates Jehovah's Witnesses, eliminates all kinds of
- 27:08S15: folks who would say that Jesus isn't the title of
- 27:10S15: their church, but they don't believe in the deity of Christ.
- 27:12S15: That's an essential. We cannot stray from that. Essential to,
- 27:16S15: I would say, is the triune nature of God. Because
- 27:18S15: let's face it, we don't believe. We're not polytheists. We
- 27:21S15: don't believe there's God the Father, the Holy Spirit, that Jesus.
- 27:23S15: These are three different gods in a kind of a
- 27:26S15: plethora of gods that are. And this is what, for example,
- 27:29S15: Mormons believe LDS church believes is that they reject the
- 27:32S15: triune nature of God. But these are two core truths
- 27:36S15: that distinguish Christianity from all of its pretenders, from all
- 27:40S15: of those who might like to say that they are
- 27:42S15: somehow connected to Jesus. They even have Jesus in the
- 27:44S15: name of their church. Totally get it. But these core
- 27:47S15: truths are ancient. They're on the pages of Scripture. And look,
- 27:50S15: I get it. The Trinity, the triune nature of God,
- 27:53S15: is a tough one. It's very hard to understand. But
- 27:56S15: if there is a God of the universe, we should
- 27:59S15: not expect to be able to put him in a
- 28:00S15: formula that's so easy to comprehend. And if you can,
- 28:03S15: he's probably an invention in your own mind rather than
- 28:06S15: the God who created us. So I think in the end,
- 28:09S15: I have to accept some difficulty in trying to understand
- 28:12S15: the nature of God. But I do know this Jesus
- 28:14S15: claimed to be God, and there is only one God.
- 28:17S15: So we have to figure out how to resolve those
- 28:18S15: two truths. And that's why I think that the triune
- 28:21S15: nature of God and the deity of Christ are just
- 28:23S15: non-negotiables for us.
- 28:25S1: You know, we live in a post-Christian nation. Matter of fact, uh,
- 28:29S1: statistics would prove out that we've got about 4% of
- 28:33S1: our nation that holds a Christian worldview and attempts to
- 28:36S1: live their private and public lives around that worldview. So
- 28:40S1: that's a very small group of people. And I'm curious,
- 28:43S1: because it was probably six months ago, I started exploring
- 28:46S1: scriptures about God fearing people. Lydia Cornelius, the thief on
- 28:50S1: the cross. And so we find that God in His
- 28:53S1: goodness and providence and sovereignty, has prepared hearts. Have you
- 29:00S1: seen apologetics be used mightily of the Lord to be
- 29:05S1: the thing that unlocks something for the God fearing people,
- 29:09S1: but have not had a historical understanding, the historicity and
- 29:13S1: the deity of Jesus.
- 29:15S15: Yeah, I do. I have, I tell you where I
- 29:17S15: where it's happened for us is we started serving with
- 29:19S15: Billy Graham association with police officers who have been involved
- 29:22S15: in critical incidents. And these folks have been involved in terrible.
- 29:25S15: They're badly injured. Often they're retired. They cannot work anymore.
- 29:29S15: And they send them up to a marriage resiliency retreat.
- 29:31S15: But when we get there, many of them will claim
- 29:33S15: a Christian identity but have never truly submitted or actually been.
- 29:38S15: I always say not. They're not geeked out about Jesus
- 29:41S15: or His word. They're just not. Although they would claim
- 29:43S15: this identity. It's kind of like I'm a Californian. Yeah,
- 29:45S15: I'm a Californian. But you know, to be honest, I
- 29:47S15: can move to Arizona. I probably wouldn't live a lot differently.
- 29:50S15: I mean, I can't even tell you much about the
- 29:52S15: details of California. It's not the kind of thing that
- 29:54S15: shapes my every decision. It just happens to be true
- 29:57S15: about me. And that's the way they kind of see
- 30:00S15: their their Christian worldview. Here's what I'll tell you. The
- 30:03S15: degree to which you are willing to trust something is
- 30:07S15: connected to the degree to which you think it is
- 30:09S15: evidentially true. Here's what I mean. I wrote about this
- 30:12S15: in a book called Cold Case Christianity. I had a
- 30:14S15: partner who had designed a who would pick the vest
- 30:16S15: that we were going to use the ballistic bulletproof vest.
- 30:19S15: And one night, as he's wearing the new vest that
- 30:21S15: he and a committee picked out, so he knew he
- 30:23S15: had seen this vest, stopped bullets in the range because
- 30:26S15: they had shot at the vest to see how effective
- 30:28S15: it was. Well, he's wearing this vest, and sure enough,
- 30:30S15: a guy pulls a gun on him and he has
- 30:31S15: got he's like stuck flat footed. He doesn't even have
- 30:33S15: his hand near his own gun. And this guy's pointing
- 30:36S15: a gun at him. So he's got this millisecond to
- 30:38S15: decide what to do. Do I charge this guy? Do
- 30:41S15: I try to do a gun take away? Do I
- 30:42S15: duck behind the car? What do I do? And he said, well,
- 30:45S15: because I knew the vest was new and it was just.
- 30:47S15: I just saw it stop bullets in the range. I
- 30:49S15: decided to just stop. And as long as I don't
- 30:51S15: take a headshot, I. It's going to hurt, but I
- 30:53S15: can survive the first couple of rounds because I have
- 30:55S15: my vest. I'll just return fire. And I thought, wow,
- 30:59S15: that's a level of commitment that moves you from belief
- 31:01S15: that to belief in. I might believe that the vest
- 31:05S15: can stop the rounds, but until I trust it to
- 31:07S15: do that, I have a whole different attitude. And what
- 31:10S15: I've discovered is the same is true for us. If
- 31:12S15: we know Evidentially that this thing called the Christian worldview
- 31:16S15: can stop the bullets, we are far more likely to
- 31:19S15: stand calmly in it in the gunfight. And that's exactly
- 31:22S15: what I see happening with the whole approach of Christian apologetics.
- 31:26S15: Often we're getting people up there who have been in
- 31:28S15: the church for 20 years. They grew up in the church,
- 31:30S15: yet they've never had it impact their lives. They've never
- 31:33S15: seen it as anything more than their identity in California. Wow.
- 31:36S15: So now what I want them to do is to
- 31:38S15: turn that corner and say, you know what? It turns
- 31:40S15: out this might be entirely different. Now, I will say
- 31:43S15: it in the expression, like, if you were really geeked
- 31:45S15: out about this, it would be the only thing you
- 31:46S15: think about. It would be the only thing you do
- 31:48S15: with your spare time. It would be the thing that
- 31:50S15: consumes you. You'd be studying scripture every day in small
- 31:53S15: little pieces, forensically. That's what we try to do with
- 31:55S15: these guys. And that will change your life. Because now
- 31:58S15: you're moving from a California view to a Christian view
- 32:02S15: of your worldview.
- 32:04S5: J. Warner. Wallace. So much good content there. He mentioned
- 32:08S5: the book Cold Case Christianity. I would just I would
- 32:11S5: say that that's kind of the landmark book. But he
- 32:14S5: also has other books as well that I can highly recommend.
- 32:18S5: Also a podcast that's very beneficial. We want to send
- 32:21S5: everything to you, or at least to show you where
- 32:23S5: to find it. Just text case to 805 557898, text
- 32:29S5: case to 805 557898.
- 32:34S6: This is Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
- 32:37S1: Well, I had a conversation with one person, many people
- 32:41S1: about why do they not trust Christianity? Why do they
- 32:48S1: veer away? And interestingly enough, you get a lot of
- 32:52S1: different responses to this. But specifically with regard to the Bible,
- 32:56S1: this person told me, you know, I just don't stomach.
- 33:00S1: And I can't swallow the reality that the cannon or
- 33:05S1: the assembly of the scriptures as we see them is
- 33:08S1: what God intended and that they're God breathed and that
- 33:11S1: they're valid and that somebody didn't mess with them. And
- 33:14S1: that's a common thing that comes our way. We got
- 33:17S1: somebody to help clear this up. Todd Hampson, how are you,
- 33:20S1: my man?
- 33:21S16: I'm doing well. Great to join. I've been looking forward
- 33:23S16: to this.
- 33:24S1: Okay. Apologetics guide to trust in the Bible. Let's take
- 33:28S1: that one on here first. What do you say with
- 33:31S1: regard to canonicity, how the Bible was formed? How much
- 33:34S1: can we trust the contents of the scriptures?
- 33:38S16: That's a great question and kind of foundational to believing
- 33:42S16: anything else about the Bible is believing that it is
- 33:45S16: inspired or God breathed. Second Timothy 316 says all Scripture,
- 33:49S16: so all means all. So we do come to the
- 33:52S16: Bible with the faith that God inspired it. And then
- 33:55S16: with that, there's also other what we call doctrines of bibliology,
- 33:59S16: meaning we believe it's inerrant, we believe it's authoritative, and
- 34:02S16: we believe it is sufficient, and we believe it's complete.
- 34:05S16: Meaning all the books that are supposed to be there
- 34:07S16: are there. If God is God, the same God that
- 34:10S16: inspired His Word is the same God who can preserve
- 34:13S16: and assemble His word and make sure that we get
- 34:15S16: his message. But I get that. I get that those doubts.
- 34:18S16: I grew up unchurched. As a young teenager. I thought
- 34:21S16: the Bible was a book of fairy tales, and it
- 34:24S16: was key apologetics that kind of led led me to
- 34:26S16: my faith.
- 34:27S5: Tell us more. Yeah, give us a little bit more detail.
- 34:31S16: Yeah. I mean, literally unchurched. I mean, it's far from
- 34:34S16: God as you can be, if you ask me as
- 34:37S16: a young teenager, what I believed, I would say I
- 34:39S16: was an atheist and I believed in evolution. I wasn't
- 34:42S16: militantly like that. It's just really all I was ever
- 34:44S16: taught or absorbed from the environment around me. And I
- 34:48S16: was never, never shown anything else. But I wound up
- 34:50S16: in a Christian school for a period of about three
- 34:53S16: months and, um, my, I have an art background. Uh,
- 34:57S16: if you've seen my books, I have illustrations in those.
- 34:59S16: And my art teacher, as the Lord would have. It
- 35:02S16: was also my Bible teacher and patiently answered a lot
- 35:05S16: of my honest skeptic questions. And I say honest skeptic,
- 35:08S16: meaning I think any honest skeptic who's truly looking for
- 35:12S16: truth wherever it leads will find Christ. But long story short,
- 35:15S16: he answered a lot of my questions, but I could
- 35:17S16: still explain most things away. But the one thing that
- 35:21S16: got my attention was fulfilled Bible prophecy. That's the one
- 35:25S16: thing I couldn't explain away in my brain. And even
- 35:28S16: in my young teenage mind, I. I realized a God
- 35:31S16: or a being who's outside of time, is the only
- 35:34S16: person who can predict very specific, sweeping historical events and
- 35:39S16: have them take place. So that that's one of the
- 35:42S16: key evidences that eventually led to my salvation a few
- 35:44S16: months later.
- 35:45S5: Todd Hampson with us this morning, best selling author, speaker.
- 35:49S5: He's a visual theologian who has spent over two decades
- 35:52S5: helping Christians understand the Bible's big story. You mentioned the
- 35:56S5: role that seeing fulfilled prophecy played in your own coming
- 36:00S5: to faith. What were some of the fulfilled prophecies that
- 36:04S5: were most compelling to you?
- 36:06S16: Yeah. One of them was just the series of messianic prophecies,
- 36:10S16: because the two things I wrestled with was I didn't
- 36:12S16: believe the Bible, and I didn't believe Jesus was a
- 36:15S16: historical figure. Well, they showed me a few things. Tacitus
- 36:19S16: and Josephus, some non-Christian historians at the time cited Jesus.
- 36:23S16: So I was like, okay, he was a real guy,
- 36:25S16: but how do we know he's God? And I wasn't
- 36:27S16: shown this in all this detail, but this is what
- 36:29S16: I've kind of built into my learning since then, is
- 36:32S16: that there's 109 specific first coming prophecies that Jesus fulfilled.
- 36:37S16: There's an old book called Science Speaks by an old gentleman,
- 36:40S16: a mathematician in the 60s, who showed if one person
- 36:44S16: fulfilled just eight of those 109 prophecies, it's the same
- 36:48S16: statistical probability as if you put one coin in the
- 36:51S16: state of Texas and and filled it two feet deep
- 36:54S16: with coins. And there was one marked coin. And you
- 36:56S16: get one choice, one chance to pick that one coin
- 36:59S16: and you pick that coin. That's for just eight of
- 37:01S16: the 109. So the messianic prophecies, but also sweeping historical prophecies,
- 37:06S16: the prophecies of the Gentile empires. Daniel two and Daniel
- 37:10S16: seven that clearly depict the Babylonian medo-persian, Greek and Roman empires.
- 37:15S16: And then there's some really it's kind of in the weeds,
- 37:18S16: but when you study it, it blows your mind. There's
- 37:20S16: prophecies of the cities of Tyre and Sidon, where very
- 37:24S16: specific prophecies were given from a couple of the Old
- 37:26S16: Testament prophets, and every detail of those was fulfilled over
- 37:30S16: about 150 year period after those prophecies were given. So
- 37:34S16: pretty powerful stuff.
- 37:35S1: Yeah. And they're even central to Jesus's teaching about miracles
- 37:39S1: that he had done. Uh, it's amazing. You know, we
- 37:42S1: don't need Flavius Josephus, but have you heard recently there's
- 37:47S1: a paragraph in his wars in antiquities that had been.
- 37:52S1: People had been skeptical. Did he really write it? Did
- 37:54S1: somebody come in, paste it after the fact? There's been
- 37:57S1: some new discoveries that have said, no, this guy actually
- 38:01S1: penned these statements of Jesus and that he may be
- 38:04S1: the Messiah. Have you seen that, Todd?
- 38:06S16: I've read a little bit of that in studying for
- 38:08S16: this book and kind of, you know, making sure I
- 38:09S16: had my correct citations and vetted sources. Uh, yeah, there
- 38:14S16: was what critics used to say was, well, Josephus, he
- 38:17S16: wasn't a Christian, clearly. Right. But but he talked about
- 38:20S16: Jesus in these in these kind lights. Well, turns out
- 38:23S16: when you when you study the other writings of the time,
- 38:26S16: he was being sarcastic. He was making fun of Christians
- 38:29S16: by saying his disciples say he was raised from the dead.
- 38:32S16: He was literally making fun of them for how ridiculous
- 38:34S16: it was. So along those same lines, critics used to
- 38:37S16: say many of the prophecies that I mentioned in Daniel
- 38:40S16: and many more Daniel nine, Daniel 11 were written in
- 38:43S16: after the fact because the oldest manuscript we had was
- 38:46S16: about 1000 A.D. Masoretic text. But then we discovered the
- 38:50S16: Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947 that showed at 200 B.C.
- 38:54S16: there had already been copies after copies, after copies of
- 38:57S16: the Book of Daniel. And guess what? Every word of
- 38:59S16: it lines up with the same Bible we read today.
- 39:02S5: Yeah. As we've been talking about core truth, I mean,
- 39:04S5: we don't have core truth without the Word of God.
- 39:07S5: We've gotten some questions from our listeners about the Ethiopian Bible.
- 39:13S5: I'm wondering if you can speak to that. It seems
- 39:15S5: like there's a an increased interest in perhaps there's something
- 39:19S5: being kept from us. There's revelation that we don't have yet,
- 39:24S5: but a desire to kind of discover something new. Speak
- 39:27S5: to both that quality and that temptation, and then specifically
- 39:31S5: to the Ethiopian Bible with that.
- 39:33S16: And then also another biggie recently is every every ten
- 39:37S16: years or so, we found the Ark. You know, we
- 39:39S16: found Noah's Ark. And it's they kind of keep going
- 39:41S16: back to the same site that's been debunked several times.
- 39:44S16: It'd be great to find the Ark. But. But that's
- 39:46S16: not it. It'd be an amazing apologetic. I've talked to
- 39:49S16: Randall Price, who's a consummate. He's like the Indiana Jones
- 39:52S16: of Christian archaeology. He studied it for years and years
- 39:54S16: and said, believe me, if it was real, we spent
- 39:58S16: way too much money trying to find this thing. We
- 40:00S16: would have touted it. But you have to make sure
- 40:02S16: that there's not egg on your face as believers. And
- 40:05S16: same thing with the Ethiopian Bible. And and I haven't
- 40:07S16: studied that in depth, I'll admit that, but I've seen
- 40:10S16: several other similar things. And in my opinion, any time
- 40:14S16: you see something after 2000 years of church history pop
- 40:17S16: up that no one ever knew, or that's new information.
- 40:20S16: I mean, honestly, that's the same same scary scenario with
- 40:24S16: Joseph Smith or how Islam got started. I mean, on,
- 40:27S16: on a whole nother spectrum, but same kind of things.
- 40:30S16: What we have isn't complete. And I have the complete thing.
- 40:33S16: That's really what leads to a lot of theological error
- 40:35S16: and a lot of scary stuff.
- 40:37S1: Todd Hampson, our guest right now. And there's a lot
- 40:40S1: going on in the Middle East And I've actually been
- 40:44S1: digging into this. Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel. You look at the
- 40:49S1: end of days and boy, there's some alignment there. I'm
- 40:54S1: not asking you to call out a date or time
- 40:57S1: or anything like that, but are you seeing prophetic alignment
- 41:02S1: that becomes an apologetic just with what's happening with Israel
- 41:06S1: right now?
- 41:07S16: Absolutely. Ezekiel 36 through 38, the re-establishment of Israel gathered
- 41:13S16: in unbelief. And then what we see happening right now
- 41:16S16: with Iran, Russia, and Turkey in alignment is exactly what
- 41:19S16: you read in Ezekiel 38. I've written a lot of
- 41:22S16: books on Bible prophecy, and that's also a passion of mine,
- 41:25S16: because if 80% of the Bible, the prophecies in the
- 41:29S16: Bible have already been fulfilled exactly as foretold, we can
- 41:32S16: definitely discern that the 20% that are yet future are
- 41:35S16: also going to be literally fulfilled. But all that to say,
- 41:39S16: prophecy is a tough, tough area because there's been sensationalism
- 41:43S16: on one hand and scoffing on the other. So people
- 41:46S16: set dates all the time. And that kind of, you know,
- 41:49S16: really makes it tougher for us to teach prophecy. But
- 41:51S16: if you can slow people down, again, this is the
- 41:54S16: thing that broke down my barriers to belief. If you
- 41:56S16: can slow people down long enough, look at fulfilled prophecies
- 41:59S16: and then to say, all right, now here's what Scripture
- 42:02S16: says is going to happen in the future. After the rapture,
- 42:05S16: I believe an evil guy named the Antichrist is going
- 42:08S16: to confirm a peace treaty with Israel and many other countries.
- 42:11S16: Do we see anybody clamoring for that? Have we seen
- 42:13S16: that on the table since Nixon? Every president since Nixon
- 42:17S16: has tried to bring peace to the Middle East. And
- 42:19S16: then this this latest thing, though, the alignment of nations
- 42:22S16: for Ezekiel 38, which is the most detailed last days
- 42:25S16: battle that we have in Scripture, there's tons of details
- 42:28S16: we can read there. And you read it and it's
- 42:30S16: like you're reading the stage setting for it right now.
- 42:32S16: It is literally happening right before our eyes. And just
- 42:36S16: to be careful and to allude to what you said. Yeah,
- 42:39S16: There's no way we can say when that's going to happen,
- 42:41S16: but we can say this alignment has never happened before
- 42:44S16: in history. And it's specifically mentioned as an end time
- 42:48S16: war where they come against Israel from the north.
- 42:50S1: Yeah. And day by day, things are breaking in the news,
- 42:53S1: like us pulling out of Iraq here in the last 48,
- 42:56S1: 72 hours. And some of the the proxies that are
- 43:00S1: coming out of Iran. And we don't know how many
- 43:04S1: more cycles we're going to go through. Uh, but it
- 43:07S1: would seem that there's approaching hoof beats unlike ever before
- 43:12S1: in modern history. Is that fair?
- 43:14S16: Todd that is more than fair. Uh, Jeff Kinley. Doctor
- 43:17S16: Jeff Kinley, a good friend of mine, and I have
- 43:19S16: a podcast called the Prophecy Pros podcast, and we talk
- 43:22S16: about it all the time. That and we stick to scripture.
- 43:25S16: That's the thing. You got to stick to scripture. But
- 43:27S16: there's more reason right now to believe chronologically and from
- 43:31S16: a stage setting perspective, that the Lord could return in
- 43:33S16: our lifetime than any other generation in history. now, John
- 43:37S16: said in the first century. Dear children, it is the
- 43:40S16: last hour. So just chronologically, we got to be in
- 43:43S16: the two minute warning of the football game right now. Yeah.
- 43:46S16: And that should light a fire under us. That should
- 43:48S16: give us some excitement for the Lord's return and make
- 43:51S16: us want to preach the gospel, tell everyone about the
- 43:54S16: Great Commission, and try to get as many people into
- 43:56S16: the ark as we can before we can. So it's
- 43:58S16: an exciting time to be alive.
- 44:00S1: Yeah. Love the way you put that. Another quick little
- 44:02S1: nerdy thing. We do not know the day nor the hour.
- 44:05S1: There's some specificity there. It's not to preclude that. We
- 44:08S1: may know the season. I mean, prophecy is there and
- 44:11S1: even end times prophecy. Not for no reason at all,
- 44:15S1: but to keep us alert to what's happening. Right. Debunk
- 44:18S1: that for a second. Todd. God doesn't want to leave
- 44:20S1: us stupid here.
- 44:22S16: No he doesn't. Matter of fact, he ends his book.
- 44:25S16: I'm an author, so I can end a book any
- 44:27S16: way I want. I always want to drive home the
- 44:29S16: most important things with that last chapter. Well, God's last chapter,
- 44:33S16: so to speak, is the book of revelation, which is
- 44:35S16: around 95%. Prophecy. People are afraid to touch it because
- 44:38S16: they think it's complex or you can't understand the symbols.
- 44:41S16: It's chronological. The outline is given to you in the
- 44:44S16: first chapter of the book, and every symbol finds its meaning,
- 44:48S16: either in the immediate context or in the context of
- 44:50S16: the Old Testament prophet. So you got to do a
- 44:52S16: little bit of work, but you can figure it out.
- 44:54S16: And the point I'm trying to make is it's the
- 44:56S16: crescendo of the movie. Nobody goes to a movie and
- 44:59S16: walks out before the ending. And God doesn't do that
- 45:01S16: to us either. He didn't suddenly get fuzzy at the end.
- 45:04S16: He knows exactly how it's going to end, and he
- 45:06S16: told us so that we can have a future hope.
- 45:09S16: You know, we're great at being people of reflection and
- 45:12S16: looking back to the resurrection, but we're also people supposed
- 45:15S16: to be people of anticipation where we're looking forward to
- 45:18S16: the coming of the Lord. And also there's specific verses, Hebrews,
- 45:23S16: I'm blanking on the verse at the moment, but it says,
- 45:25S16: do not neglect the assembling together of yourselves all the
- 45:28S16: more as you see the day approaching Jesus. Matthew 24,
- 45:33S16: when his disciples asked him, what are going to be
- 45:35S16: the signs of your return? He didn't say, don't worry
- 45:38S16: about it, or you guys are asking the wrong questions.
- 45:40S16: He gave him a whole list. He told them all
- 45:42S16: about the details of the tribulation period and his return.
- 45:45S16: God wants us to know like a good, loving Heavenly Father.
- 45:49S16: And when we understand the end of the story, it
- 45:51S16: actually helps us understand the rest of the story even better.
- 45:54S1: Yeah. And in the bridesmaids parable in Matthew 25, the
- 45:58S1: one little nuance in there that's so funny is all
- 46:01S1: ten were getting groggy, those that were genuinely in Christ
- 46:04S1: and those that weren't with the implication, don't get groggy.
- 46:08S1: I'm coming back. Yeah. And the trumpets going to blow
- 46:10S1: one time. Ah, this is dynamite. Everybody loving Todd Hampson here.
- 46:15S1: Holy cow. This is beautiful isn't it Ali?
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