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The Muppet Christmas Carol (1992) · Left of the Projector

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  Track 3: Welcome back to Left of the Projector with your hosts, Evan,
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  Track 3: Bill, and Ward. Today, we're joined by librarian and puppet aficionado, Jackie.
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  Track 2: Muppet aficionado.
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  Track 3: And we'll be discussing a Muppets Christmas Carol, originally released in 1992.
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  Track 3: It is a Muppets adaptation of Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol with a lot
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  Track 3: of historical accuracies. Jackie, how are you doing?
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  Track 2: Hi, good. I'm excited to talk Muppets, not puppets. Muppets. There's a distinction.
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  Track 2: Evan, you can't cut it out. You can't cut.
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  Track 3: You can't cut that out.
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  Track 2: No, you can't cut it.
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  Track 3: You got to leave in my mistake.
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  Track 2: You can cut it out. I could just really care about the distinction between Muppets
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  Track 2: and puppets, which honestly I do.
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  Track 1: I didn't realize that this was directed by Jim Henson's son in his first movie that he ever directed.
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  Track 1: He was like a puppeteer, but not a director.
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  Track 2: I believe this is the first movie after Jim Henson died.
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  Track 1: I think that's right.
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  Track 2: Which is, I believe, that's why Rolf has, Rolf is in it, but it's only a cameo
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  Track 2: and he has, like, no. Really?
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  Track 2: Yeah. I mean, why is that? Because Jim Henson did Rolf's voice and they wouldn't
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  Track 2: voice, they wouldn't give Rolf a voice out of, like, respect for Jim Henson
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  Track 2: passing for many, many, many years. Oh, okay. Okay.
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  Track 1: Yeah, he died two years before this, so it makes sense if this would have been the first one.
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  Track 2: It's almost like a tribute, a Rolf tribute, that's what you should say.
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  Track 2: Yeah, a little cameo. Yeah, I always loved Rolf.
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  Track 1: So what is everyone's history with this film?
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  Track 1: I know Ward very briefly only because it was his first time watching it.
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  Track 2: Really?
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  Track 3: Yeah, it was my first time watching. I was never a Muppets fan,
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  Track 3: never really big into them, not even really even as a kid. I watched really
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  Track 3: weird choices for a child.
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  Track 2: That's how we ended up here, all of us.
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  Track 3: Yeah, honestly, that is how I ended up here because I watched way too much Demolition Man.
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  Track 3: And then I heard about Evan doing an episode about Demolition Man.
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  Track 3: And I was like, I should have fucking been on that. And then, yeah, now I'm here now.
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  Track 3: But no, this was a great movie. I really enjoyed it.
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  Track 3: I thought it was a wonderful adaptation of A Christmas Story.
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  Track 3: And it was great. yeah just not a big muppets guy so it wasn't too familiar evan.
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  Track 2: What about you.
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  Track 1: So for me i never watched this as a
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  Track 1: kid i was more as far as
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  Track 1: like the muppet and sort of
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  Track 1: like sesame street other kind of puppet related things we
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  Track 1: had a bunch of the we had like the what was the vhs uh
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  Track 1: like follow that bird and the one where big bird goes
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  Track 1: to the history museum and we
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  Track 1: had the muppets um what
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  Track 1: is it one i think it was the one after this it's the uh pirates one never saw
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  Track 1: this one until only a few years ago and now it's become like we watched it last
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  Track 1: christmas we'll watch it we just watched it a couple days ago but we'll probably
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  Track 1: watch it again you know on christmas
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  Track 1: so it's it's a five it's five out of five i mean it's a great movie.
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  Track 3: Yeah no this is great i mean i watched it the first time um a few days ago for
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  Track 3: this episode and then immediately was like well now time to share it with my
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  Track 3: daughter and the family we're gonna have family movie night and watch this because
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  Track 3: this is fantastic you're muted.
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  Track 2: How did your daughter like it?
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  Track 3: Oh, she loved it. She thought it was fantastic.
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  Track 2: Did I clear my throat unmuted, then mute myself again previously?
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  Track 3: I don't think so.
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  Track 2: Okay.
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  Track 3: If you did, I wasn't paying attention.
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  Track 2: Awesome.
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  Track 3: Yeah, no, she loved it. She loved it so much that for the last three days on
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  Track 3: the way to her martial arts classes, we've been listening to nothing but Christmas
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  Track 3: music and mostly songs from the Muppets.
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  Track 2: Aw.
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  Track 3: Yeah. Which has replaced K-pop Demon Hunter, thankfully. Um, so appreciate it.
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  Track 2: I mean, those aren't good songs.
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  Track 3: They're good, but it's been a lot.
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  Track 2: It's been a while.
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  Track 3: It's been a lot.
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  Track 2: Yeah. Well, I guess I'll, I mean, I, I watched this growing up.
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  Track 2: Um, I was like, you know, I watched various Muppet things growing up,
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  Track 2: but I, it definitely, um, it took a different turn when I met our guest who
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  Track 2: is my wife for the listeners out there.
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  Track 2: This is the. Oh, you guys are strangers. Yeah, yeah.
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  Track 3: Oh, okay.
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  Track 2: For listeners who have heard me refer to my wife numerous times throughout episodes,
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  Track 2: especially according to her too many times in the last episode.
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  Track 2: A lot of Back to the Future.
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  Track 2: I was like, people are going to be like, please shut the fuck up about your
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  Track 2: wife. Like, nobody cares.
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  Track 3: I literally told him to call for you in that episode. I was like,
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  Track 3: get Jackie, get Jackie now.
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  Track 2: People know I was born in 1985. five they know i'm a big fan of aha's take on
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  Track 2: me that i really hate the train in the end of the movie hey.
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  Track 3: That's that's a.
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  Track 2: Common take amongst.
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  Track 3: People with taste.
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  Track 2: True so uh yeah so this is the uh the upon this is the wife i have spoken of
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  Track 2: who uh wow the wife oh the only one,
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  Track 2: Who I've spoken of at length.
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  Track 2: And it is a, it is, it has long been her tradition to watch it every Christmas,
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  Track 2: which I will, I will no longer take any time from her recounting of her experience
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  Track 2: with Muppets Christmas gal.
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  Track 2: I mean, it's not very exciting. I saw it as a kid, probably when it came out,
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  Track 2: little Jewish kid's favorite movie, Tale as Old as Time.
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  Track 2: No, I watched it all the time since we didn't celebrate Christmas.
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  Track 2: To me, it was like you didn't need to watch it on Christmas.
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  Track 2: You could just watch it any time. It's just a movie.
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  Track 2: It's a good movie. Why would I limit myself to like once a year?
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  Track 2: But then, yeah, I think it was like every Christmas Eve we would watch it.
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  Track 2: Every Christmas Eve. So for almost 20 years now, every Christmas Eve. Jesus.
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  Track 2: Yeah. Now I only watch it once a year. So I did cut back.
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  Track 2: Though I believe we have discussed we will be watching it again this Christmas
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  Track 2: Eve. After we've watched it already.
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  Track 2: Yeah, you watch it once for like scholarly purposes, you know,
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  Track 2: and then again for enjoyment.
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  Track 3: This is for work.
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  Track 2: Yeah, it's for work. That's why you can't go anywhere at work because you have work.
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  Track 3: Yeah.
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  Track 1: Is this your favorite Christmas movie?
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  Track 2: Probably. I feel like there's, of Christmas movies, there's like real movies
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  Track 2: that you like actually appreciate and like are quality.
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  Track 2: And then there's like, to me, I love watching like the dumb Christmas movies too.
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  Track 2: So there'd be like separate categories of real actual good Christmas movies.
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  Track 2: This would probably be my favorite one.
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  Track 2: I feel like, is there a lot of competition? does anybody else think like having
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  Track 2: seen this do you really like in terms of like quality and like how good this
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  Track 2: is like is there a lot of competition for best christmas movie in comparison to this.
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  Track 1: I mean do you talk to some people i might i could say you could put home alone and.
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  Track 2: I'm talking to you guys home.
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  Track 3: Alone is my personal favorite.
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  Track 2: Christmas movie so so it's.
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  Track 3: Like those are two heavyweights like duking it out in those terms but like in
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  Track 3: terms of like the broad spectrum of christmas movies yeah absolutely not this like sweeps the floor.
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  Track 2: Like i have not actually seen or
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  Track 2: not for a long time all those like classic christmas movies
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  Track 2: that are supposed to be like the good ones like miracle on
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  Track 2: 34th street or um i can't think of anything else off the top of my head the
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  Track 2: ground christmas story christmas yeah well i've seen christmas day one which
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  Track 2: was that again you've already which one the groundhog day one where they he
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  Track 2: does the time oh did i talk black and white one oh oh.
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  Track 3: Yeah um it's a wonderful.
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  Track 2: Thank you yeah groundhog day yeah isn't it like groundhog day no oh okay well
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  Track 2: i haven't seen it in a really long time i think it's just like here's what the
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  Track 2: world would be like if you weren't in it oh it sucks okay,
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  Track 2: I don't know. That's what I remember. I haven't seen it in a long time. That's my summary.
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  Track 3: Yeah, I haven't seen it in so long.
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  Track 2: I think none of those compare. No. I think the only other, like,
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  Track 2: contemporary Christmas movie that stands up with, like, this or Home Alone is, in my opinion, L.
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  Track 3: I was really hoping you would just be like, Jingle All the Way.
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  Track 2: No, it's A Night Before Christmas, okay? That's my other. And when I say night,
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  Track 2: I mean K-N-I-G-H-T with Vanessa Hudgens, the night that travels forward in time.
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  Track 2: No, the best, not to get too off topic, the best bad Christmas movie is either
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  Track 2: The Spirit of Christmas or The Christmas Spirit. I don't remember what the title is.
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  Track 2: About a girl who stays at a haunted inn and falls in love with the ghost of
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  Track 2: a bootlegger and has to sell the house by Christmas Eve.
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  Track 2: And the end makes no sense at all. This is classic Christmas fair.
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  Track 2: But yeah, as for real movies, Muppets is the best. I'd have to say so. Other than Die Hard.
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  Track 1: I'm with you, Ward. Home Alone has just been there since I was a kid.
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  Track 1: So if I had watched this since I was a kid, it would be a different story.
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  Track 3: If I watched this as a kid, I could definitely be like, yeah,
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  Track 3: no, this is absolutely the best. But for me personally, I got to go with Home Alone.
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  Track 1: That's how I feel, too.
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  Track 2: I'm okay with that. I'm not mad at Home Alone. That's a great movie.
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  Track 2: No, Home Alone's a great movie. We should do an episode on just bad Christmas movies.
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  Track 3: Oh, that would be fun.
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  Track 2: We watch a lot of bad Christmas movies.
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  Track 1: Yeah, each person just could do their top five, like, worst.
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  Track 3: What was that one? Joy was wanting to rewatch it where it's like Santa's like a former Viking.
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  Track 2: Oh, wait. He's like, yeah, that's not a bad Christmas movie.
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  Track 2: That is Violent Night with David Pagano as Santa. Yeah, and that movie's great.
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  Track 3: Yeah, she's been wanting to rewatch that one.
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  Track 2: He is a former Viking who is Santa Claus and is a drunk. The Mrs. Claus in that is an axe.
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  Track 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Track 1: Yeah, there's also all of those films with, what's her name,
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  Track 1: Lacey Shabbert, who's like the Hallmark.
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  Track 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Track 1: I watched a few of those last year, and they're just pretty terrible.
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  Track 2: Did you watch Hot Frosty?
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  Track 1: I did.
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  Track 2: I'm sorry. And how good was that? And how good was Hot Frosty? I'm sorry.
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  Track 1: It was not good. It was not good.
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  Track 2: But it was, it's so bad, it's good, though. That movie is fucking funny. Oh, no. Yeah, I guess.
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  Track 1: Watched the Christmas quest which was her as well going on like this adventure.
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  Track 2: Oh yeah like National Treasure Christmas.
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  Track 1: Yes.
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  Track 2: Really boring.
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  Track 1: And it didn't really make any sense at all.
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  Track 2: No it was really boring. There was like no like there was no momentum to that movie.
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  Track 2: It's like it's the Christmas quest. It's like you guys are like really just
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  Track 2: kind of dragging your feet on this.
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  Track 3: Oh remember Jack Frost where the dad gets turned into a snow man.
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  Track 2: Yeah. Snowman Snow Dad is better than No Dad. Snow Dad is better than No Dad.
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  Track 1: You're.
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  Track 2: Don't make your competition how did this get made angry yeah our competition covered that.
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  Track 1: I mean when i think about like when i was thinking about this movie as
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  Track 1: i was just thinking about it it's it's almost what's most
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  Track 1: impressive to me is to make this movie with muppets just like this doing this
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  Track 1: story with muppets and then the one actor that they do get like put on like
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  Track 1: the greatest performance like i i always joke that michael kane should have
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  Track 1: like been nominated for an Oscar for his performance as Scrooge. 100%.
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  Track 3: No, like, absolutely. It's incredible.
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  Track 1: He's perfect. I mean, I joke, but I'm actually also serious.
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  Track 2: I mean, this movie is the start of the meme where it's like,
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  Track 2: cast a movie everyone is muppets
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  Track 2: but one person who's the person that stays human because
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  Track 2: muppets are people who is the one human actor
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  Track 2: that stays like this that's this is the beginning of that me this
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  Track 2: movie is the beginning of that me but it's like that thing there's he said like
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  Track 2: i'll do this but i'm going into it i'm playing it completely straight like i'm
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  Track 2: not acting like i'm in a kids movie or that it's a puppet or anything like i
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  Track 2: am performing this like it is this serious role and like it's amazing yeah it works perfect.
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  Track 1: It is impressive to be able to hold your i i would love to know if there was
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  Track 1: these takes where he you know didn't play it straight or it was like just started
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  Track 1: laughing because you know they were just messing with him with the muppet puppets.
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  Track 2: I have seen um a recent
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  Track 2: like clip from an interview where basically he talks about how like bean bunny
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  Track 2: is the one that like made him break this bean bunny is the cutest he's like
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  Track 2: bean bunny is the cute like one of the cutest things i've ever like experienced
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  Track 2: in my life and i couldn't like keep a straight face or like resist because bean
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  Track 2: bunny is just the most adorable creature like in the world oh.
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  Track 1: Like the little the one who goes against the turkey later.
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  Track 2: On yeah yes that's people yeah.
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  Track 1: I was also thinking i haven't i've never actually read the christmas carol i
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  Track 1: think you i hear that you have.
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  Track 2: Read the the book jackie so i like.
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  Track 1: Is this Also, I've heard that it's extremely accurate, you know,
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  Track 1: generally speaking, to the book.
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  Track 2: So, I read... Okay, I did read the book a long time ago. I kind of skimmed it
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  Track 2: again recently, just for, like, a better idea. And it is very close.
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  Track 2: I mean, just the fact that they have...
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  Track 2: Honestly, I'm not sure if I've ever seen another adaptation of A Christmas Carol
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  Track 2: now that I think about it.
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  Track 2: Why would you ever need one? But as far as I know, most or at least or maybe
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  Track 2: none of them have like actual like narration by like a Charles Dickens type character.
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  Track 2: So because they have Gonzo in that role, there's like a ton of the actual original text in there.
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  Track 2: Like most of what he says is straight out of the book um
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  Track 2: and most of it is pretty accurately like
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  Track 2: depicted i mean there's a couple
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  Track 2: just weird things left out um that i don't think is ever in any adaptations
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  Track 2: like the weird children that live under the ghost of christmas present um but
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  Track 2: nobody needs to see that what can you tell us about the children that live under
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  Track 2: the ghost now i forgot their names i one's want. That big race.
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  Track 2: Yeah, basically at the end of the like, so in the present one,
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  Track 2: it's like it is in the movie, but it.
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  Track 2: It goes a little further. Like he, the ghost takes Scrooge like all over the
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  Track 2: place. It's like, here's like a, this is like different neighborhoods.
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  Track 2: Here's like a jail, which actually I think there was a jail in the movie,
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  Track 2: but like they go like all around the world and see different people.
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  Track 2: And then the end he's, he gives him like a weird speech.
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  Track 2: And then, yeah, I can't remember what the other one is. It's like want and what
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  Track 2: is it? Ignorance? Ignorance and want.
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  Track 2: Yeah. And it's like, Oh, they're like, they're, they come out and they're like
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  Track 2: these weird little, like starving children. and it's, I don't know, it's just weird.
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  Track 2: I think it's fine. I think it's fine without it, yeah.
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  Track 3: Yeah, it sounds better without it.
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  Track 2: It feels like a thing that's very much, like, of its own. I'm not explaining
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  Track 2: it well, but yeah, it's definitely, like, a very, like, Victorian,
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  Track 2: like, look what you've done to these little children.
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  Track 2: Besides that, it's, like, bang on. Yeah.
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  Track 1: I love at the beginning when Gonzo's, like, he's saying that he's,
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  Track 1: you know, Charles Dickens, and Rose is like, no, you're not.
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  Track 1: And he's like, yeah, I am. I'm just telling this story.
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  Track 2: It's just like the back of my hand.
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  Track 3: That was so funny. Yeah, there's a scar.
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  Track 2: Gonzo is my favorite non-Sesame Street Muppet.
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  Track 1: Yeah, he's very funny.
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  Track 3: See, I don't know which ones are canon or not. I'm not a Muppet.
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  Track 2: They're all canon.
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  Track 3: They're Sesame Street.
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  Track 2: I think all Muppets are canon. Yeah. It's a Muppet.
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  Track 3: I don't know. See, I don't know.
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  Track 2: I used to love Sam the Eagle, but now it feels weird. He's so patriotic.
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  Track 3: God, I'm surrounded by nerds again, but I don't have Caitlin this time.
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  Track 1: I mean i mean it's hard not to also like animal and you know um i don't know
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  Track 1: gonzo is just like the classic character i remember also when i was a kid watching
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  Track 1: the like the muppet babies you also like.
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  Track 2: Gonzo in that too yeah so animal is great no no lie but this does so one of
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  Track 2: my favorites because of this movie is rizzo he's like the best which brings
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  Track 2: up a little bit of a sore spot which is the Rizzo erasure in our current day,
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  Track 2: which is that they seem to have erased.
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  Track 2: Rizzo's never in anything anymore, and they've substituted Pepe the prawn for Pepe.
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  Track 2: Which I'm not into, but I can always watch this movie for my Rizzo. Rizzo is great.
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  Track 1: Yeah, I wonder why that is.
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  Track 2: Because, like, have you seen, like, Muppets Take Manhattan? It's,
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  Track 2: like, all, like, the little New York rats and stuff. Like, they used to be in
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  Track 2: it all the time. I love those rats.
• 18:21
  Track 1: Well, that was one of the things that I noted is the fact that,
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  Track 1: I mean, they have to have, I don't know, the creative choices exactly.
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  Track 1: I didn't listen to much, like, behind the scenes or anything about it.
• 18:31
  Track 1: But that the like the rats who work for Ebenezer Scrooge are,
• 18:36
  Track 1: you know, working as a rat to work for like a landlord type person.
• 18:41
  Track 1: I just thought was like very funny to me.
• 18:43
  Track 1: And as Rizzo's like there listening to the story with Gonzo, I don't know.
• 18:48
  Track 2: But Scrooge is not a landlord.
• 18:50
  Track 1: Not a landlord. Right.
• 18:51
  Track 2: I actually just looked because I don't think it ever says exactly what he does.
• 18:55
  Track 2: He's like. I mean, explains what he does. Business. Business.
• 18:58
  Track 1: Yeah. What is his official? He's a business.
• 19:01
  Track 2: Because he's a business man. Like, because it's... He's a money lender.
• 19:06
  Track 1: A money lender.
• 19:07
  Track 2: Is he?
• 19:07
  Track 1: Okay.
• 19:07
  Track 2: He's officially a money lender? I don't know. I just read it. I don't know.
• 19:11
  Track 2: I don't think it says. I'm sorry. I think it's implied. In A Christmas Carol, it does say...
• 19:18
  Track 2: That rents are due, and that's his favorite. Yeah. But he also collects mortgages.
• 19:24
  Track 2: Yeah, I don't think he's actually, I don't think he owns properties.
• 19:28
  Track 2: I think, yeah, I think he's like a lender or something. I don't know.
• 19:31
  Track 1: Yeah, like in the description, like just on Wikipedia for his character,
• 19:34
  Track 1: it just says like a businessman. He like, you know.
• 19:38
  Track 3: Businessman doing business.
• 19:40
  Track 1: Yeah, just like he's a capitalist or something.
• 19:43
  Track 3: He's a filthy capitalist pig. That's all we need to know.
• 19:46
  Track 2: He doesn't need an actual job. you get the idea yeah.
• 19:49
  Track 1: He kicks people out of like an orphanage or whatever right he says later on
• 19:53
  Track 1: like he's just he's just uh you know he's just like the personification of just
• 19:57
  Track 1: an evil scrooge it's great that we have the that in turn because of this guy that's.
• 20:03
  Track 2: In the the marley and marley song that they they were freezing with their little
• 20:07
  Track 2: frostbitten teddy bears out on the street.
• 20:11
  Track 1: Marley Marley. I think that's one of the best songs.
• 20:13
  Track 2: It is. So, yeah, I definitely, growing up at least, never saw another Christmas
• 20:19
  Track 2: Carol because I did not know until I was a full-on adult that there's only one
• 20:24
  Track 2: Marley in the actual Christmas Carol.
• 20:26
  Track 2: I had no idea that there were not just two Marleys.
• 20:30
  Track 1: I didn't know that until you just told me right now.
• 20:32
  Track 2: Really? Okay, I feel better.
• 20:35
  Track 2: It works perfectly. It does work perfectly. They're like heckling old guys.
• 20:40
  Track 2: But yeah, I just assumed there were two of them. It seemed fine to me.
• 20:44
  Track 3: It's a great song, too.
• 20:45
  Track 2: To go back to the accuracy, despite the fact that there are two Marlies...
• 20:49
  Track 2: Yeah, that's the only thing. And no, that doesn't even matter.
• 20:52
  Track 2: But like when they appear, they are in chains with lock boxes and money boxes,
• 20:59
  Track 2: just like in the original book.
• 21:01
  Track 2: Like it is incredibly accurate to the original story.
• 21:04
  Track 1: The weird thing is in the, at least in the Wikipedia of actors and characters,
• 21:10
  Track 1: it says that it's supposedly Statler and Waldorf, the Muppet characters.
• 21:14
  Track 1: But it only lists Statler and only lists Jacob Marley. So because there is only
• 21:18
  Track 1: one Marley, it technically doesn't list another.
• 21:21
  Track 2: Wow. That's amazing. Wow.
• 21:24
  Track 3: So Marley and friend.
• 21:26
  Track 1: So Waldorf is not, is, is uncredited in this film. Poor guy,
• 21:30
  Track 1: you know, he's grumpy enough already.
• 21:32
  Track 2: That's it's the, the, the attributions from Muppets are so weird. What do you mean?
• 21:39
  Track 2: Because it's like, because they're not, because they are, they're actually,
• 21:44
  Track 2: they're attributed as like themselves as the Muppets.
• 21:47
  Track 2: and that's why like in this case it's like you know it's like there's only one
• 21:50
  Track 2: marley and it's not gonna be marley marley it would be marley and then because
• 21:54
  Track 2: that's who's like you know he's being priest portraying marley and then there's
• 21:57
  Track 2: the second character but they're not gonna change his name they're just gonna
• 22:01
  Track 2: it's him it's the muppet waldorf i don't really that's fine.
• 22:06
  Track 1: I just think.
• 22:07
  Track 2: It's strange how like you know it's like gonzo as charles dickens i don't know
• 22:12
  Track 2: it's the way that like Muppets like they are the actor Gonzo is the actor they
• 22:16
  Track 2: are the actor oh I see what you're saying it's not they're.
• 22:18
  Track 1: Not putting yeah like but if you look at the like in the Wikipedia thing too
• 22:22
  Track 1: it'll say who is the performer who's performing a bunch of them and then it says.
• 22:27
  Track 2: Do they really no one needs to know that so it says.
• 22:29
  Track 1: You know it says like.
• 22:31
  Track 2: Oh yeah so like Frank.
• 22:32
  Track 1: Oz is like Piggy and.
• 22:34
  Track 2: Like Fozzie like some.
• 22:34
  Track 1: Of the famous ones or the.
• 22:36
  Track 2: Fozzie Wick most well.
• 22:37
  Track 1: Known ones or whatever I think he's still alive.
• 22:40
  Track 2: Frank Oz didn't he like yeah yeah.
• 22:42
  Track 1: He is 81 years old.
• 22:43
  Track 2: Oh he's oops i killed him sorry i thought he died sorry frank oz.
• 22:50
  Track 3: Yeah, any chance he had. Thanks, Jackie.
• 22:53
  Track 2: He was going to be on this. Yeah, now he'll never come on.
• 22:55
  Track 3: Yeah, we were going to get him on. I was about to make a challenge to him,
• 22:59
  Track 3: like I do a lot of famous people, to come on the podcast and defend yourself.
• 23:02
  Track 3: But now I can't do that because he's going to die.
• 23:04
  Track 2: What did Frank Oz do that he needed to defend himself?
• 23:07
  Track 3: I don't know.
• 23:08
  Track 2: I was going to think of something.
• 23:10
  Track 3: See, like every time I do it, I'm grasping at straws, all right?
• 23:14
  Track 2: Yeah, but this is really tenuous. Defend yourself.
• 23:20
  Track 1: I don't know if you can really criticize any of that.
• 23:23
  Track 3: How do you feel justified having your man's hand inside of a woman puppet? Oh, my God.
• 23:29
  Track 2: It's fucked up.
• 23:31
  Track 3: Come on the podcast. Defend yourself if you don't die.
• 23:34
  Track 2: If you don't die. Are you still alive? Come defend yourself.
• 23:38
  Track 1: Frank Oz's publicist is going to sue us right now.
• 23:42
  Track 3: If you died, I'm so sorry. Rest in peace. You're incredible.
• 23:47
  Track 2: Oh, my God.
• 23:48
  Track 1: But Frank Goss also is part of the Star Wars universe, too.
• 23:51
  Track 2: Yeah, because Yoda. But Yoda's not in the only Star Wars that matters,
• 23:55
  Track 2: so it doesn't... Right, of course. Who cares?
• 23:57
  Track 1: Can they do a Muppet Star Wars? Is that possible? Probably not, right?
• 24:01
  Track 2: I mean, Disney owns all of that stuff, so it's very possible. Yeah.
• 24:05
  Track 3: They're plugging that shit into Sora AI now, too, so...
• 24:08
  Track 1: I want to see.
• 24:10
  Track 2: Pigs in space is basically Star Wars, so there you go.
• 24:14
  Track 1: Who would play Andor with Muppet? You can think about it.
• 24:16
  Track 3: I don't know enough about Muppets.
• 24:17
  Track 2: Yeah, I'm going to have to think that over.
• 24:18
  Track 3: Answer this.
• 24:19
  Track 1: I'm going to say it's, I don't know. Waldorf would play, would play Luthan.
• 24:24
  Track 2: I think it's Rizzo. I think Rizzo would play it. Rizzo?
• 24:27
  Track 2: Okay. Come on.
• 24:28
  Track 1: I'll take it.
• 24:29
  Track 2: Why not?
• 24:29
  Track 3: There's not enough Rizzo.
• 24:30
  Track 2: Come on. That's 100% true. Rizzo is a working class character.
• 24:35
  Track 2: He is a man of the people. He's salt of the earth. Rizzo would be Cassian.
• 24:39
  Track 1: That's like, that actually is completely like going back to the action, to the movie.
• 24:43
  Track 1: They don't, other than, you know, Ebenezer Scrooge, they don't really show you
• 24:48
  Track 1: any other wealthy people.
• 24:49
  Track 1: I mean, you have the people who work for him and then you have sort of the people
• 24:52
  Track 1: in town, which presumably are all just sort of like peasant,
• 24:55
  Track 1: you know, working class or worse.
• 24:58
  Track 1: and they really present the idea that he is just screwing over the entire city somehow.
• 25:06
  Track 1: This one guy is like causing London to just be this terrible place where,
• 25:11
  Track 1: at least from what war you send me, some of the like laws that are happening
• 25:14
  Track 1: in the 1850s during when this happens, it's a pretty miserable place to live.
• 25:18
  Track 2: Yeah, it sounds good to me.
• 25:18
  Track 3: Yeah.
• 25:19
  Track 2: I mean, they have a whole song about it, so.
• 25:21
  Track 3: Yeah.
• 25:21
  Track 2: Everybody hates him.
• 25:22
  Track 3: I mean.
• 25:23
  Track 2: Even the vegetables don't like him, if you'll recall from the song. So funny.
• 25:27
  Track 3: So funny.
• 25:28
  Track 2: I think, I think it's very much like a, uh, I like to think of Scrooge as like
• 25:33
  Track 2: representing the, it's almost, he, he represents the larger thing.
• 25:38
  Track 2: It's like, this is, this is a neighborhood thing. The people in the neighborhood
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  Track 2: know who he is and like, you know, how shitty he is.
• 25:45
  Track 2: I don't think people outside. And like, we do meet some other rich people during
• 25:51
  Track 2: the ghost of Christmas future sequence. Yeah.
• 25:57
  Track 1: Which is the pig gentleman.
• 25:59
  Track 2: Yes. The pig, the gentleman pigs, um, spoiler alert when Scrooge dies in the future.
• 26:07
  Track 2: Um, and they, even they don't, you know, which really just shows like,
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  Track 2: I feel like it doesn't even show so much that like, even they don't like him
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  Track 2: so much as just that entire class is made up of just self, like just selfish,
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  Track 2: soulless individuals who do not care about anybody or anything unless they can get something.
• 26:27
  Track 2: thing out of it the thing i thought was interesting when i
• 26:30
  Track 2: reread the actual book is it's
• 26:33
  Track 2: pointed out in the beginning that scrooge is
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  Track 2: too cheap to like change the sign so it still just says
• 26:39
  Track 2: scrooge and marley and people just call him either name because they don't even
• 26:43
  Track 2: know which one he is and he'll just answer to anything he will respond to either
• 26:48
  Track 2: one because it's it just so doesn't matter they just see him as just like this
• 26:52
  Track 2: you know which to me really sounds like so it
• 26:57
  Track 2: a description of alienate, like alienation as like Marx describes it,
• 27:01
  Track 2: but like to the point where it's like.
• 27:03
  Track 2: Even the capitalists, like, they are alienated from themselves and their labor.
• 27:09
  Track 2: Like, alienation taken to the extreme. Yeah.
• 27:12
  Track 2: Well, that's, like, the whole thing with this and him as a character is,
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  Track 2: like, it's, like, the thing I want.
• 27:18
  Track 2: Like, his problem is not specifically, like, he doesn't like Christmas.
• 27:22
  Track 2: His problem is that he has nobody in his life to care about.
• 27:25
  Track 2: He, like, has no connections to anything. And that's, like, represented through
• 27:30
  Track 2: Christmas because it's a time of, like, family and togetherness.
• 27:33
  Track 2: But, like, his issue is that he's, like, a bitter person with absolutely no
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  Track 2: connections whatsoever.
• 27:39
  Track 1: Right.
• 27:39
  Track 2: He has no community.
• 27:40
  Track 1: Yeah. He doesn't want the people to, uh, his co-workers, or I wouldn't call
• 27:44
  Track 1: them his co-workers, his subordinates to, uh, like, Kermit and all the rats
• 27:48
  Track 1: to have the day off because otherwise he would be alone. He doesn't like that.
• 27:52
  Track 2: Yeah, it's, like, a waste to him.
• 27:53
  Track 3: No, I like to see him as an evil capitalist who's trying to exploit all the profits.
• 27:59
  Track 3: just seem as evil as possible.
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  Track 2: Yeah but it's like that's what it's like that's what
• 28:03
  Track 2: they come that's what it comes down to it's like but we we know that
• 28:06
  Track 2: like at it's like hard this is this system destroys
• 28:09
  Track 2: everybody and everything within it even the people that purportedly you know
• 28:14
  Track 2: profit from it you can't look at peter teal or uh you can't look at sam altman
• 28:20
  Track 2: saying i couldn't imagine raising my child without chat gpt without thinking
• 28:25
  Track 2: oh you are irrevocably broken like,
• 28:30
  Track 2: you are damaged in a truly fundamental way yeah.
• 28:35
  Track 1: Yeah that's that's why my i kind of i made this joke whenever maybe this is
• 28:40
  Track 1: last year when i watched it was that like the reason you can tell this movie
• 28:43
  Track 1: is fiction is because like a billionaire changed his ways you know like.
• 28:46
  Track 2: Yeah that just.
• 28:48
  Track 3: Wouldn't not the muppets never happened.
• 28:50
  Track 2: But to be fair the muppets are fine yeah it's the thieves Yeah,
• 28:55
  Track 2: yeah. The Muppets clearly could exist in real life.
• 28:57
  Track 3: Yeah, the Muppet – yeah, there's no problem – I got no problems against the Muppets.
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  Track 3: I have problems with the petty bourgeois notions that are inherent to the story of Christmas, you know.
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  Track 2: But at the same time, you know, if the People's Revolution of China taught us
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  Track 2: anything, it's that they can – you know, you can –,
• 29:16
  Track 2: redeem certain people i mean they did redeem you
• 29:19
  Track 2: know the uh former whatever who the fuck was it the uh the chankai shag thank
• 29:26
  Track 2: you they did reform him i got you he spent the rest of his life as a janitor
• 29:30
  Track 2: humble and giving to other people yeah that's that's our world's christmas carol yeah.
• 29:36
  Track 3: That's that's the marxist.
• 29:38
  Track 2: Christmas carol.
• 29:39
  Track 3: I mean even even evan was saying like in our group show is like like this very
• 29:44
  Track 3: liberal notion of an ending where it's just like oh he's nice now instead of
• 29:48
  Track 3: just like no longer a capitalist and.
• 29:51
  Track 2: So he doesn't like get a new job he doesn't like change anything about his life
• 29:55
  Track 2: except that he's like kind and like i i assume give some money away maybe i
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  Track 2: don't know but yeah he's just nice donate at christmas time now but.
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  Track 3: Like outside of that probably not gonna.
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  Track 1: Yeah he's just it's like the same shit he just he's like
• 30:10
  Track 1: what i call you know the way that billionaires do it now they have
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  Track 1: charities and do stuff they're just laundering their reputation to like look
• 30:16
  Track 1: good but they're still not changing anything about him like he whispers to the
• 30:21
  Track 1: guys at the you know the was it the orphanage or wherever they're collecting
• 30:24
  Track 1: the money from i'll give you this much money and then he's still going to make
• 30:28
  Track 1: all these people pay their rent or whatever it's not like he.
• 30:30
  Track 2: Right he'll just he'll give them a turkey at the same time yeah it's an interesting
• 30:34
  Track 2: historical like notion because you know because capitalism as a system of oppression
• 30:40
  Track 2: and exploitation came to be,
• 30:45
  Track 2: dominant system under the industrial revolution and
• 30:48
  Track 2: this is a time of like
• 30:51
  Track 2: the full-throated industrial revolution like this is the industrial
• 30:54
  Track 2: revolution underway that the notion the
• 30:57
  Track 2: liberal notion that you can both exploit and oppress but be a good person by
• 31:06
  Track 2: doing certain like performative acts but came it was birthed at the same time
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  Track 2: like it came about at the same exact time.
• 31:15
  Track 3: Yeah i mean charles dickens himself like he his upbringing
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  Track 3: was petty bourgeois and then he was like later thrust into like poverty and
• 31:23
  Track 3: then that's like that's where he gains like a bit of his class consciousness
• 31:25
  Track 3: and we get those things here but like at the end of the day it's still very
• 31:28
  Track 3: petty bourgeois notions of oh just appeal to the better nature and people can
• 31:32
  Track 3: change and then people will come around to it and it's like that's not always the case big dog yeah.
• 31:37
  Track 1: I was actually thinking about this. I know that because Marx was writing at the same time.
• 31:42
  Track 1: They were writing simultaneously almost.
• 31:46
  Track 1: And I wonder- Yeah.
• 31:47
  Track 3: This was in 1843, which, I mean, follow what recently happened.
• 31:54
  Track 3: We had the plug plot riots in 1842, and then you had a bit earlier the Poor
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  Track 3: Law Amendment Act of 1834, which really made conditions bad for the working class.
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  Track 3: To say that, hey, things can get better if the people oppressing us are just
• 32:12
  Track 3: nicer in a Christmas story, yeah, pretty liberal.
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  Track 2: It is a, it is an interesting contrast that the two were at the same time. Yeah.
• 32:20
  Track 1: I think I sent you both an article that was, someone was basically trying to
• 32:24
  Track 1: compare that they're sort of, they had this, you know, not the same perspective
• 32:28
  Track 1: on things at the time, but similar.
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  Track 1: And I don't know that I can see that. I mean, the way that Dickens is writing,
• 32:35
  Track 1: you know, I don't see it that way.
• 32:38
  Track 1: He's not looking to overthrow anything. He's just looking to reform something at best.
• 32:43
  Track 3: Yeah, no, at best. I mean.
• 32:46
  Track 2: What did you know.
• 32:47
  Track 3: That just sounds.
• 32:47
  Track 2: Like oh just that you had factual information that you didn't share with me
• 32:50
  Track 2: you know I love a background I don't know,
• 32:53
  Track 2: Oh, the article. I love reading context.
• 32:56
  Track 2: How dare you withhold it from me? I think this was sent at the same time as
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  Track 2: the notes, and I missed that.
• 33:03
  Track 3: Yeah, this was all right around the same time.
• 33:05
  Track 2: Yeah, same.
• 33:06
  Track 1: Yeah, like the source for the thing that I found wasn't exactly the best location.
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  Track 1: It was from the Washington Institute, which is in their culture,
• 33:16
  Track 1: Christianity, or Christianity and culture section.
• 33:18
  Track 1: So I don't even know when this came out. I couldn't get through the whole article.
• 33:22
  Track 1: I'm like, this is just kind of nonsense.
• 33:24
  Track 3: Yeah. One of the things I was talking about in terms of like the conditions
• 33:27
  Track 3: of the time was like one of the reports from Children's Employment Commission
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  Track 3: in 1842 described how children were chained,
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  Track 3: belted and harnessed like dogs in a go cart crawling upon their hands and feet
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  Track 3: and dragging their heavy loads behind them.
• 33:40
  Track 3: And Dickens decides we should appeal to the better nature. Yeah.
• 33:44
  Track 3: They can be nice to us if we just show them that Christmas is a cool time.
• 33:49
  Track 2: I do think that part of it is still like the notion, like, you know,
• 33:54
  Track 2: there is the notion that like, you know, like you want to think well of,
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  Track 2: you know, and you want to hope for the better.
• 34:00
  Track 2: And it's like, I still think at the time, you know, the, the idea of understanding the depth of this,
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  Track 2: of the nature of the system, you know, that he was writing this the same time
• 34:13
  Track 2: Marx was writing a capital, the same time they were coming to understand these things.
• 34:18
  Track 2: And that in and of itself, this is a form of budding understanding of the nature of the system.
• 34:28
  Track 2: But you haven't gotten to the point where you really understand the depth of
• 34:32
  Track 2: the system and you still think, oh wait, these are still other human beings.
• 34:39
  Track 2: And it's like, they just hadn't come to that point, I feel like.
• 34:42
  Track 2: It's not like now. I feel like not to keep doing this, but when I reread the book,
• 34:47
  Track 2: there was a lot more of like the it is not just good or important,
• 34:53
  Track 2: but it is like your job and like a human on this planet to like look out for
• 34:58
  Track 2: your like fellow man to like have community like it's your responsibility kind of. Yeah.
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  Track 2: Which I think is something that doesn't fully ever translate to the movies.
• 35:09
  Track 2: But it's like, if you think about the ghosts, like to me, the present is,
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  Track 2: I feel like what changes Scrooge the most, which is the part where he's shown
• 35:19
  Track 2: like how other people live.
• 35:20
  Track 2: Because the past, he sees it and he's like sad and he's like,
• 35:23
  Track 2: leave me alone. I don't want to see this anymore.
• 35:24
  Track 2: By the future, he's already like, yes, I want to see what's happening. I'll change.
• 35:28
  Track 2: I promise. But like, to me, it's like the present that is what changes his character.
• 35:33
  Track 2: And most of the present is seeing like, oh, this person that I work with every
• 35:38
  Track 2: day has a home, has problems, can't afford like a nice meal.
• 35:44
  Track 2: Yeah. He understands it is the abolishment of his alienation at that point because
• 35:50
  Track 2: he starts to like actually understand the human condition and the fact that
• 35:55
  Track 2: other people are humans. or Muppets or.
• 35:59
  Track 3: Frogs and his role and involvement of it too what's that,
• 36:02
  Track 3: And his role and involvement in that. Yeah.
• 36:04
  Track 1: Yeah. The scene, too, where in the present one, where his family is just making
• 36:09
  Track 1: jokes about how he's this horrible thing.
• 36:12
  Track 2: I always find that scene so strange because Fred, it seems so counter to his
• 36:19
  Track 2: character to all of a sudden just start dropping these fucking birds.
• 36:23
  Track 2: And I'm like, why are you all of a sudden? He's so mean.
• 36:27
  Track 2: It just seems unexpected. I mean, Scrooge is a total dick to him.
• 36:32
  Track 2: Like, I don't think it's that bad if he's being behind his back.
• 36:35
  Track 2: Like, he gave him no reason to be nice. I'm just surprised.
• 36:39
  Track 2: It seemed unlike him. That's all. He had like an audience. He was playing a
• 36:43
  Track 2: game. He had a great thing. He knew, you know, he knew what he was doing. But I do.
• 36:47
  Track 1: It was funny.
• 36:47
  Track 2: I do think that some of these like modern day judgments that we as like Marxists
• 36:53
  Track 2: and leftists have about this,
• 36:55
  Track 2: about this story and this movie in general are unduly harsh when taken in the
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  Track 2: context of the time and understanding the new,
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  Track 2: like the newly emerging conditions and people's understanding of it.
• 37:10
  Track 2: Like, again, like not everyone is going to be Marx, you know,
• 37:14
  Track 2: like it took Marx writing that and publishing it for people to like broadly to see it.
• 37:21
  Track 2: The fact that Dickens wrote this, as far as it didn't go in our perspectives,
• 37:28
  Track 2: in comparison to anything else, this is fucking, you know, of the time,
• 37:34
  Track 2: revolutionary in and of itself.
• 37:36
  Track 2: They're like, you need to look
• 37:37
  Track 2: at other people's conditions and understand how you are affecting them.
• 37:42
  Track 2: That in and of itself is pretty meaningful for the time.
• 37:45
  Track 1: I mean, is that how people view it?
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  Track 3: Yeah, but I'm in hindsight in the future, and so I don't care. I'm going to shit on him.
• 37:53
  Track 2: How smart could Dickens be if he couldn't see what was happening?
• 37:57
  Track 3: Yeah, did Dickens consider human nature?
• 38:01
  Track 2: I think Dickens is a very interesting character as an individual.
• 38:04
  Track 2: He's a very interesting character.
• 38:06
  Track 3: I was hoping you were saying as a Muppet.
• 38:09
  Track 2: No, as a Muppet. He would be a great Muppet. Yeah, I mean, let's be real.
• 38:14
  Track 2: Dickens is basically, was basically a Muppet.
• 38:18
  Track 2: The man was known for being outlandish and foppish and dressing absurdly.
• 38:26
  Track 2: He was... All of the... A rock star. He was the rock star of his day. Yeah.
• 38:31
  Track 3: I'm glad you said that. I thought you were going to say he had a hand inside of him.
• 38:37
  Track 2: Fun fact, he actually did have a parasitic twin, and that was a hand, and it was inside him.
• 38:42
  Track 2: They found that out way later.
• 38:44
  Track 3: The first Muppet.
• 38:45
  Track 2: Yeah. What is a Muppet if not a parasitic twin? Also, he was felt. He was felt.
• 38:53
  Track 2: No, though, but just on a superficial level, like Muppets, but with like Victorian
• 38:58
  Track 2: facial hair, like those giant sideburns and stuff is just really funny.
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  Track 3: Hilarious.
• 39:04
  Track 2: When they're pigs? When they're pigs, yeah.
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  Track 1: I don't, I don't know why it's the, one of the things that my kids really liked
• 39:11
  Track 1: was the, like the penguin, the scene where the penguins are sort of just gliding
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  Track 1: along, skating along there. I mean, it seems like completely random.
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  Track 3: Penguins are always a great.
• 39:19
  Track 2: Because it's like the magic of seeing Kermit ice skate, I think.
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  Track 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 39:25
  Track 2: It's like all of a sudden, it's like the whole time you're like,
• 39:27
  Track 2: you see Kermit doing stuff, you see the Muppets doing stuff,
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  Track 2: but it isn't until it, it is so rare you see them operating just like fully.
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  Track 2: autonomously and it's like oh it's like the magic like hits home it's like they
• 39:41
  Track 2: become full beings in a way they're not usually like that scene in is it when
• 39:47
  Track 2: the Muppets may take my hand where like Kermit and Fozzie are on the bikes,
• 39:51
  Track 2: I can't remember which one it's from but yeah I know what you're talking about that scene is like,
• 39:56
  Track 2: it's mind-blowing as a kid it's mind-blowing it might be the um a kid or yeah whatever whatever,
• 40:03
  Track 2: Muppet movie. I was going to say the penguins are cute, so they're appealing
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  Track 2: to kids, but that's a much nicer reason.
• 40:10
  Track 3: That's what I was going with, too.
• 40:12
  Track 2: Yeah. Because it's also like it's a nice moment. It's like, oh,
• 40:14
  Track 2: they're closing up for Christmas. They're walking down the street together.
• 40:17
  Track 2: Oh, look at these penguins. They're having a party.
• 40:19
  Track 2: Everybody's happy and enjoying everything.
• 40:21
  Track 1: Yeah, I guess that's like plays on too, is that Scrooge sort of come,
• 40:25
  Track 1: you know, when he comes through, everyone sort of, he ruins this festive atmosphere
• 40:29
  Track 1: that everyone has because they have to bite their tongue when Scrooge comes through or something.
• 40:34
  Track 2: That's so true. Like he walks down the street and people sing about how bad
• 40:37
  Track 2: he is. And like Kermit walks down the street and he like joins into a party right away.
• 40:41
  Track 1: Yeah, we didn't talk about Kermit's family, where Kermit is sort of the,
• 40:45
  Track 1: his, I guess you could say he's like the, I don't know, they don't say what
• 40:49
  Track 1: his actual job is, but he's sort of like the one below him. He's like a clerk.
• 40:53
  Track 1: But getting paid peanuts.
• 40:55
  Track 2: He's the head clerk.
• 40:56
  Track 1: Yeah. But getting paid poorly, which Scrooge sees later in the,
• 40:59
  Track 1: you know, the Christmas present where he sees his house and,
• 41:03
  Track 1: you know, his tiny, tiny Christmas meal and, you know, his sick Tiny Tim.
• 41:09
  Track 1: Even though my kids had seen it before, they're like, does Tiny Tim die?
• 41:12
  Track 1: I'm like, no, he doesn't. Remember, he says that line later.
• 41:15
  Track 2: He does not die. Very clearly stated. Also directly from the book,
• 41:21
  Track 2: in all caps, does not die.
• 41:24
  Track 2: Why? Because was it originally he did die?
• 41:28
  Track 2: I think it was just that it wasn't clear. He didn't make it clear or something.
• 41:31
  Track 2: And people were like, what the hell happened to Tiny Tim?
• 41:34
  Track 2: He did not die.
• 41:36
  Track 3: You just can't introduce Tiny Tim and then have us wonder.
• 41:40
  Track 2: As a child, this tells you how bad a person I am. I found Tiny Tim to be really irritating.
• 41:48
  Track 2: And I feel bad saying that, but his song is the worst one. He's just a little too good.
• 41:55
  Track 2: It's saccharine. Yeah, a little bit too much. I mean, he's cute.
• 41:58
  Track 1: Yeah, they play him up a bunch.
• 42:00
  Track 2: Yeah. I think it's interesting, you know, that, like, you know, our main...
• 42:05
  Track 2: like view of like the every man is Kermit,
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  Track 2: despite the fact that like the primary like exploited class of the time were
• 42:18
  Track 2: the, the, were the working class of like the factories and like those kinds of things.
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  Track 2: And I think it's a furious choice to,
• 42:29
  Track 2: and I think, I don't know if Dickens did this intentionally, but like,
• 42:35
  Track 2: that the that the exploitation that
• 42:38
  Track 2: that is actually where it starts that it's like you it's
• 42:42
  Track 2: easy to look at a factory and go this is bad it is
• 42:45
  Track 2: easy to look at children being chained to like things and treated like dogs
• 42:49
  Track 2: you know and be like oh that's bad but it is also easy to miss the thing perpetuating
• 42:57
  Track 2: that and that is the capital class not you know if it wasn't for that.
• 43:06
  Track 2: Wouldn't exist it's like why there's a difference like early
• 43:09
  Track 2: today uh jackie shared like i think it
• 43:11
  Track 2: was like why i'm a marxist not an economist and
• 43:15
  Track 2: like the difference between being a marxist and an economist and what it is
• 43:21
  Track 2: is understanding capital relation and how that drives these things and it's
• 43:28
  Track 2: like you look at a factory oh this is economy this is you know It's business,
• 43:33
  Track 2: as Sam the Eagle would say. Um...
• 43:36
  Track 2: The American way. But when you look at, you have to look at the thing behind it.
• 43:43
  Track 2: You have to look at Scrooge and his worker who was also exploited as part of
• 43:50
  Track 2: the system that it, you know, creates hyper exploitation.
• 43:54
  Track 2: I think it's an interesting decision to focus on that.
• 43:57
  Track 2: Yeah, like it's not the easy choice. Yeah. it's not the easy choice to just
• 44:02
  Track 2: like because it does imply that you can't just improve working conditions you
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  Track 2: need to stop this part of it because this is the part that drives it.
• 44:11
  Track 3: You heard it here Bill is calling out Charles Dickens come on the podcast defend yourself.
• 44:18
  Track 2: I'm gonna dig his body up ghosts okay we know these ghosts are real he could
• 44:23
  Track 2: just visit you as a ghost no problem yeah the.
• 44:25
  Track 3: Ghost of Dickens class is gonna we will bare minimum except Gonzo.
• 44:30
  Track 2: To come on. We'll accept Gonzo.
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  Track 3: We'll accept Gonzo.
• 44:34
  Track 2: Gonzo on the podcast.
• 44:36
  Track 3: Gonzo, come on the podcast. Gonzo, defend yourself.
• 44:40
  Track 1: Who plays his, I can't remember who plays his, oh, he's David Goels or Goels.
• 44:47
  Track 2: Who?
• 44:47
  Track 1: I think he's the guy who plays his, like his, the puppeteer for him.
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  Track 3: He can come along too.
• 44:53
  Track 2: But we're requesting Gonzo. Stop talking about the supposed people behind the Muppets, okay?
• 44:59
  Track 2: I'm going to need you to stop that. Right?
• 45:03
  Track 1: It's just Gonzo.
• 45:04
  Track 2: It's just Gonzo. I don't need to know anything about those people.
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  Track 1: They're not real.
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  Track 2: What people? Exactly. What people?
• 45:12
  Track 3: I didn't see any people in the skating scene.
• 45:15
  Track 2: I didn't see that.
• 45:18
  Track 2: When Rizzo went through the, when he walked through the gate,
• 45:22
  Track 2: could he have done that if there was a person there? No. That's true.
• 45:25
  Track 2: Could he have done that if there's a human there? No human could fit through
• 45:27
  Track 2: those bars. No human could fit through those bars. Gonzo couldn't fit through those bars.
• 45:30
  Track 1: I like when Rizzo falls into the, like, the ice, and then he goes into the party,
• 45:34
  Track 1: and he, like, thaws him out. Like, he breaks the ice, and he pops out.
• 45:38
  Track 2: There's so many good little Rizzo gags. Like, there's, he uses him to,
• 45:41
  Track 2: like, wipe the window off.
• 45:43
  Track 2: At one point, he uses him to, like, blow on the fire as, like,
• 45:46
  Track 2: I don't know what those things are. You know those little. Bellows. Bellows, thank you.
• 45:48
  Track 3: Yeah, that was so good.
• 45:50
  Track 2: Thank you for making me a part of this, Mr. Dickens.
• 45:53
  Track 1: When he starts flying too, he just starts freaking out.
• 45:57
  Track 2: Yeah. You know what I love also for the Gonzo lover here?
• 46:02
  Track 2: That they still include Gonzo's love of chickens in this in like little subtle ways.
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  Track 2: Like he meets a chicken on the way to the past and, you know,
• 46:12
  Track 2: gets to know her and knows her name and stuff. And when they go to the party,
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  Track 2: the chicken walks by and he gives her like the up and down. He goes, he's like, whoa.
• 46:21
  Track 1: Wait, but doesn't he also say that they own a chicken factory?
• 46:25
  Track 2: It's a rubber chicken factory.
• 46:27
  Track 1: Rubber chicken factory.
• 46:28
  Track 3: Rubber chicken factory, yeah.
• 46:29
  Track 1: Yeah.
• 46:30
  Track 2: I guess real chickens also work at the rubber chicken factory.
• 46:33
  Track 2: Yeah, well, they're the models.
• 46:34
  Track 1: I kept thinking about that holiday party as, like, you know,
• 46:37
  Track 1: you give your employees, like, a pizza party during the holidays to make them
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  Track 1: forget how you're exploiting them.
• 46:44
  Track 2: Yeah, that's definitely the way.
• 46:46
  Track 3: That's very the vibe.
• 46:47
  Track 2: Yeah, that's definitely the way we would say it, but it's ironic.
• 46:50
  Track 2: Like, probably not the of the time.
• 46:54
  Track 2: Well, I think it was like expected. Like you take care of. Yeah.
• 46:58
  Track 2: It's like the, well, it's like the very like.
• 47:01
  Track 2: It goes back to the feudal time. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. I like have no brain
• 47:04
  Track 2: today. Where the peasants.
• 47:05
  Track 2: Right. Like the Lord would like provide for them on that day,
• 47:08
  Track 2: which I'm not saying it's not like fucked up that they're serfdom, but.
• 47:11
  Track 2: But yeah, like it's, it's described as very like, oh, he's Fezziwig slash Fozziwig,
• 47:16
  Track 2: which is like, so they must've been so excited when they're like Fezziwig.
• 47:19
  Track 2: Like, we know exactly who to put in this role.
• 47:23
  Track 3: Perfect.
• 47:24
  Track 2: But, yeah, he's supposed to be great.
• 47:28
  Track 2: But it is. It's like, we don't, I don't know how he treats anybody any other
• 47:31
  Track 2: time. The only time we see him is throwing a party.
• 47:33
  Track 2: Well, Scrooge does say he was as harsh and ruthless as a rose petal.
• 47:38
  Track 2: That's true. You have to assume he was always very kind.
• 47:41
  Track 1: Well, doesn't Scrooge also make, he makes a comment like, oh,
• 47:43
  Track 1: why would you waste your money on this party? Yeah.
• 47:46
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 47:46
  Track 1: Did he say that?
• 47:47
  Track 2: Yes. At the party. At the party.
• 47:49
  Track 1: Why would you?
• 47:50
  Track 1: He's like, this is stupid. We could just not do this and save all that money.
• 47:53
  Track 2: Yeah, it's very much a thing of the time because, like,
• 47:57
  Track 2: Dickens was hearkening back to a time, a previous time that he was nostalgic
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  Track 2: for and in which the people in power were expected to care for other people.
• 48:10
  Track 2: Which is, again, like, we have gotten to the point where, like.
• 48:13
  Track 2: There was a time where even as terrible as it was, like, feudalism was fucking bad.
• 48:18
  Track 2: like no lie feudalism was
• 48:21
  Track 2: bad and no one is trying to defend it
• 48:24
  Track 2: but like it was expected there was
• 48:27
  Track 2: a time which it was expected if you were a person of power you it
• 48:31
  Track 2: was expected you take you took care of people
• 48:34
  Track 2: and like that is the antithesis
• 48:38
  Track 2: of like modern capitalist system it's like
• 48:41
  Track 2: no like you are beholden
• 48:45
  Track 2: you know it's like you you it's expected
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  Track 2: that you serve at my you know like leisure
• 48:51
  Track 2: yeah well it's like when the whole
• 48:54
  Track 2: thing comes up about having the day off like you
• 48:57
  Track 2: can tell when you're like reading it it's it's like
• 49:01
  Track 2: it's expected that like they will
• 49:03
  Track 2: get paid they're getting a paid day off scrooge is
• 49:06
  Track 2: not like pissed off because he like is missing like because he
• 49:09
  Track 2: like wants to work that day he's annoyed because he has to like you know
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  Track 2: waste money paying them on this day and
• 49:15
  Track 2: like nowadays it would never be like a suit like even scrooge would never be
• 49:21
  Track 2: like well i can't not pay you but so even he was better than like it is now
• 49:27
  Track 2: it really seems like it's like to go again to go back to like the idea that
• 49:31
  Track 2: like you know Dickens and Marks were right at the same time.
• 49:34
  Track 2: And it's like in its own way.
• 49:38
  Track 2: A Christmas Carol is a prescient look at the nature of capital as it evolved
• 49:44
  Track 2: in the way in which capitalists like moved forward and changed the culture and became more and more.
• 49:50
  Track 2: And because like, that's who Scrooge was.
• 49:53
  Track 2: Scrooge was who we think of as like a capitalist and a, you know,
• 50:00
  Track 2: exploiter in the modern sense of the word.
• 50:02
  Track 2: and even at the time he was like this is
• 50:05
  Track 2: where it's gonna go and this is where it's gonna they're all
• 50:09
  Track 2: gonna be like this don't and it
• 50:13
  Track 2: is a it is a kind of prescient look at like what the future will be like man
• 50:18
  Track 2: this almost feels dystopic now fuck it feels like just pig businessmen everywhere
• 50:27
  Track 2: It feels dystopic when you think about it that way,
• 50:30
  Track 2: but it is like, I can't help but see it that way.
• 50:32
  Track 2: It's like, they're like, oh yeah, like this is what they're all going to be
• 50:35
  Track 2: like, where they just forgot every bit of humanity.
• 50:40
  Track 2: And became Peter Thiel's and Sam Mullen's.
• 50:44
  Track 2: Well, I think that's why, like I was saying earlier, that like Christmas is
• 50:48
  Track 2: not necessarily the main point.
• 50:50
  Track 2: I think that's why every like adaptation is like, Christmas,
• 50:54
  Track 2: he doesn't like Christmas.
• 50:55
  Track 2: Can you believe it? Because it's a lot easier to think this guy is bad because
• 50:59
  Track 2: he doesn't like Christmas.
• 50:59
  Track 2: And once he likes Christmas, everything's fine.
• 51:02
  Track 2: Instead of having to think like the harder thing, which is like,
• 51:05
  Track 2: he's a bad person because he doesn't have community. He doesn't care for people.
• 51:08
  Track 2: He has no responsibility for people. and he has to learn that to become a better
• 51:13
  Track 2: person yeah instead of just like all right christmas sounds fun like i'll do christmas.
• 51:17
  Track 3: I mean no i i agree with you
• 51:20
  Track 3: bill when you're like talking i was very dystopian where it's like
• 51:23
  Track 3: yeah no like at least like back then we had notions of like oh
• 51:25
  Track 3: at least they take care of people but now it's just like they're all
• 51:28
  Track 3: peter teals and it's like even with like a lot of
• 51:31
  Track 3: the working class now too it's like you see like oh at least
• 51:34
  Track 3: they had like some kind of class consciousness because like they all recognize
• 51:37
  Track 3: scrooge as a sinner yeah it's like we've even lost that we've lost that amongst
• 51:42
  Track 3: like the religious people where it's like recognizing these billionaires as
• 51:48
  Track 3: fucking sinners why are you defending that is so true why are you defending them yeah.
• 51:53
  Track 2: Yeah why are you.
• 51:54
  Track 3: It's crazy why.
• 51:55
  Track 2: Are you on the internet defending everyone hated scrooge yeah nobody thought
• 51:59
  Track 2: like oh that's amazing like i could be that yeah all i need to do is work really
• 52:03
  Track 2: hard and i'll like i'll be that yeah it's like you know it's we had At one point,
• 52:08
  Track 2: it was understood that the union was the compromise between we will go to your
• 52:13
  Track 2: house, beat you to death, and throw it down.
• 52:15
  Track 2: And nowadays, it's like the union is the compromise in which you won't give
• 52:20
  Track 2: us anything, but we have a union. Yeah.
• 52:25
  Track 2: Your observation, this is going back, but about the stupid company pizza party,
• 52:31
  Track 2: I just have to share real quick, my favorite holiday party I was ever treated
• 52:35
  Track 2: to, which was, it was a staff training day slash holiday party.
• 52:40
  Track 2: Our schedule for the day was, the morning was fire safety training.
• 52:44
  Track 2: This was right before Christmas.
• 52:45
  Track 2: They showed us videos about Christmas trees catching people's living rooms on fire.
• 52:49
  Track 3: Then we had our- You got to make sure you water your tree.
• 52:52
  Track 2: Exactly. Then we had our holiday lunch. And then after holiday lunch was active
• 52:58
  Track 2: shooter training. America.
• 53:00
  Track 2: It's the American way. It's the American way.
• 53:03
  Track 3: It's the American way. You'll love it. It's the American way.
• 53:09
  Track 2: So I would have loved that party instead.
• 53:11
  Track 1: That scene in Christmas past when he goes to see his child, like his self as a school kid.
• 53:17
  Track 1: And the teacher is telling him like, oh, yeah, this is the British,
• 53:20
  Track 1: the British way or the American way.
• 53:22
  Track 1: And then he has to whisper and he's like, oh, it's the British or the American
• 53:24
  Track 1: way. the way yeah i like that joke so funny which it's all the same guy yeah.
• 53:31
  Track 2: It's all i mean it's the birthplace of it it's where it came from thanks britain.
• 53:36
  Track 1: Yeah way to go what's what do you what's all everyone's favorite song marley.
• 53:42
  Track 3: And marley of course are you kidding me that one is awesome.
• 53:49
  Track 1: It's really good.
• 53:50
  Track 3: It's Marley and Marley. It's like... It's so good.
• 53:57
  Track 1: And it looks pretty good given the way that they made it 30 years ago.
• 54:03
  Track 1: Is that everyone's favorite? Is that just a consensus?
• 54:06
  Track 2: Oh, man.
• 54:07
  Track 3: Definitely mine.
• 54:08
  Track 2: You know, it's Marley. I also really do like...
• 54:11
  Track 2: one was is it one more sleep till christmas yes i do really where they have
• 54:15
  Track 2: one more sleep till the penguin skating party but before that when they're like
• 54:19
  Track 2: closing up yes i really do like for christmas that's nice oh the closing the
• 54:24
  Track 2: when they're closing up the shop.
• 54:25
  Track 3: I thought that was one of the weakest.
• 54:27
  Track 2: Songs that's because did you watch the extended version i.
• 54:31
  Track 3: Don't think i did.
• 54:32
  Track 2: Whoa are you gonna shit talk that's because you missed you missed that
• 54:35
  Track 2: one the love is gone oh i think
• 54:38
  Track 2: so sorry okay well first
• 54:42
  Track 2: of all i'll say maybe marley marley but possibly also
• 54:45
  Track 2: the ghost of christmas presents like it feels like christmas song because that's
• 54:49
  Track 2: just like really nice um i do like that one a lot um i think that song even
• 54:55
  Track 2: though the the like cut out song even though it's like kind of slow and not
• 54:58
  Track 2: amazing like it matters in the story it is that the sam The eagle song?
• 55:04
  Track 2: Cut that. No. Oh, my God. I wish. The fact that they cut that song is actually
• 55:09
  Track 2: really a poor choice. Yeah.
• 55:11
  Track 2: So there's a song in the, I don't know which version you guys watch.
• 55:15
  Track 2: There's a song in the past when his fiance breaks up with him about how the love is gone.
• 55:21
  Track 2: And that's why it seems weird when it's like, she's like, oh,
• 55:25
  Track 2: you love me once and walks away.
• 55:26
  Track 2: And then Gonzo's like crying. It's because there was like three minutes of song
• 55:30
  Track 2: where she's like, sorry, it's over.
• 55:32
  Track 2: like you're not who i thought you were and we can't be together and then it has the little,
• 55:37
  Track 2: reprise at the end that yeah michael kane sings and then it doesn't mean as
• 55:42
  Track 2: much where he says the love we found yeah that doesn't mean anything out of
• 55:46
  Track 2: context and most people don't see that song the.
• 55:49
  Track 1: When the love is gone is.
• 55:50
  Track 2: That's what you're talking about yeah yeah i watched.
• 55:52
  Track 1: I watched the one that had that.
• 55:53
  Track 2: Okay good i.
• 55:54
  Track 3: Didn't see sorry i'm.
• 55:55
  Track 2: Worried,
• 55:56
  Track 2: That's what I grew up with on the giant VHS tape clamshell box thing.
• 56:02
  Track 2: Marley Marley's, it's a straight banger. It is a really good song.
• 56:06
  Track 3: It's so good.
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  Track 1: Yeah. So it's really hard to beat that one. I wasn't giving anyone a hard time
• 56:10
  Track 1: for that first. Someone had to pick something else just for.
• 56:14
  Track 3: No, if you don't like that one, you suck.
• 56:20
  Track 1: Three listeners just turned off the podcast.
• 56:23
  Track 2: I mean, the beginning song where they just like hurl insults at Scrooge right
• 56:28
  Track 2: in his face is like pretty good.
• 56:30
  Track 3: It's pretty good. How do we forget about that? It's so good.
• 56:35
  Track 2: Yeah, that's my favorite.
• 56:36
  Track 3: If you don't like those two songs from this movie, then fuck you. Other than that.
• 56:40
  Track 2: Yeah, that's my favorite one. I'm sorry. That's my favorite song.
• 56:43
  Track 3: It's so good.
• 56:44
  Track 2: Even the vegetables. It is just a straight diss track. Yeah.
• 56:50
  Track 2: Every single bit of it is just.
• 56:53
  Track 1: They can redo it with Kendrick Lamar.
• 56:55
  Track 2: Yeah. it's just it's just too solid it's such a good opening too like.
• 57:01
  Track 3: It just rips into.
• 57:02
  Track 2: Him it's.
• 57:02
  Track 3: Just such a good opening.
• 57:03
  Track 2: And it includes it includes the classic line no cheeses for us mises yes yes
• 57:10
  Track 2: that is true that's become a real thing lately yeah such.
• 57:14
  Track 3: A good line.
• 57:15
  Track 2: Nostalgic millennials yeah that is that I can't.
• 57:19
  Track 1: Believe we forgot that uh.
• 57:20
  Track 2: Now who is everybody's least favorite Muppet though least favorite Muppet or
• 57:24
  Track 2: character in this movie Muppet in this movie or Muppet in general Tiny Tim is the worst I don't know.
• 57:33
  Track 1: I mean, I like Fozzie Bear normally. I don't feel like he gets enough to do, maybe.
• 57:41
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 57:41
  Track 1: It's like a little speech thing where he's like, I'm going to give a big speech,
• 57:44
  Track 1: and then he says like two things, and I don't know.
• 57:46
  Track 3: Yeah, I was pretty disappointed by that. I was like, Fozzie!
• 57:50
  Track 2: My least favorite is Miss Piggy. I hate Miss Piggy, and I've always hated Miss Piggy.
• 57:54
  Track 3: Yeah, I'm not too big on Miss Piggy.
• 57:55
  Track 2: I asked that question because I wanted to talk Miss Piggy. Wow.
• 57:57
  Track 1: She's not in it a ton. Like, she doesn't play it. I mean, I know she's the main,
• 58:01
  Track 1: you know, one of the characters.
• 58:03
  Track 3: Do you see Miss Piggy as the Muppet version of that lady that you hate?
• 58:07
  Track 2: Yes. Yes, I do. Who?
• 58:10
  Track 3: Okay, I was thinking so. I want a hot dog real bad. That one.
• 58:18
  Track 2: That impression did it. Thank you.
• 58:20
  Track 3: I did it for Coolidge. Yeah, there you go.
• 58:21
  Track 2: I got it. I actually remembered her name.
• 58:25
  Track 2: I actually remembered her name and I was... I was like, let's see if Ward would
• 58:30
  Track 2: do the impression. I got it.
• 58:32
  Track 3: I couldn't think of the name, but the line came to me really quickly.
• 58:37
  Track 2: Yeah, she's the Muppet version of Miss Cooch.
• 58:40
  Track 3: I had a feeling you saw them two as categorically the same. 100%.
• 58:47
  Track 2: That's a little mean to Miss Piggy.
• 58:52
  Track 2: Wow. But this movie does answer the question we all had, which is what happens
• 58:56
  Track 2: when a pig and a frog have children, and that is the boys are frogs and the girls are pigs.
• 59:04
  Track 2: Hoo-hoo!
• 59:06
  Track 1: I think my kids were like, oh, there's two pigs and two frogs. I'm like, yep.
• 59:12
  Track 2: That's how it works.
• 59:12
  Track 1: That works.
• 59:14
  Track 2: Genetics are funny, kids.
• 59:18
  Track 3: Yeah, remember those putt-nit squares you did in school? Throw that out the window.
• 59:25
  Track 2: Yeah, it's like the pig or the frog.
• 59:28
  Track 1: Which is the dominant gene, the pig or the frog, I guess. I guess we'll never know.
• 59:33
  Track 2: The dominant felt. Yeah. I want to know what happens when a Muppet and a human has a baby.
• 59:42
  Track 2: That's just weird. You made it weird.
• 59:47
  Track 3: Yeah, you made it weird. Like, I thought I made it weird with the whole Charles
• 59:51
  Track 3: Dickens having a hand inside of him thing.
• 59:53
  Track 1: I'm not cutting that part out.
• 59:54
  Track 3: You made it weird. I wasn't expecting you to.
• 59:58
  Track 2: No, you know what would happen? It's like, you know how the ghost of Christmas
• 1:00:00
  Track 2: present is like kind of a puppet, but he's also a person kind of walking around.
• 1:00:05
  Track 2: Yeah. I think that is a... That's a human-muppet hybrid. Except when he's not huge.
• 1:00:10
  Track 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:10
  Track 2: Except when he's not huge. He could be the size of a mouse. Is that just a guy
• 1:00:15
  Track 2: in a costume? I assume so. It has to be.
• 1:00:19
  Track 1: It says hand-suit performer in the...
• 1:00:22
  Track 2: Did you think somebody was under that thing?
• 1:00:24
  Track 3: You think somebody had a really big hand?
• 1:00:26
  Track 2: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
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  Track 3: They found a guy with an exceptionally big hand for that muppet. Okay.
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  Track 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:00:42
  Track 2: My God, the image of that. Oh, my God.
• 1:00:47
  Track 2: No, him and I assume that Grim Reaper is a person in there, which who is supposed
• 1:00:53
  Track 2: to be the scariest ghost.
• 1:00:54
  Track 3: Same big hand guy.
• 1:00:55
  Track 2: Big hand guy. You thought.
• 1:00:57
  Track 3: You thought. Nope. Big hand guy got it.
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  Track 1: He's not getting a lot of work these days.
• 1:01:00
  Track 3: Evan was big hand guy's name. Actually, nope. Don't pull it up.
• 1:01:04
  Track 3: Bill doesn't want to know.
• 1:01:07
  Track 1: Yeah, I don't know who plays the Grim Reaper or he has.
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  Track 2: I don't know. It's Big Hand Guy.
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  Track 3: Big Hand Guy.
• 1:01:14
  Track 1: Is that the one, the yet to come? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:16
  Track 2: Yes, yes. And then the past one is creepy computer child.
• 1:01:22
  Track 2: Is that all computer child? I don't know, but it looks like it is,
• 1:01:25
  Track 2: I feel like. I don't think it is. You don't think so? You think it's a puppet?
• 1:01:28
  Track 2: I think it's a puppet with which one?
• 1:01:31
  Track 2: I think the past, the ghost of Christmas past.
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  Track 3: I figured it was some like- It looks scary. Double exposure.
• 1:01:36
  Track 2: Yeah i think it's double exposure yeah oh i'm sorry yeah i didn't mean to yeah
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  Track 2: it's some weird oh yeah double exposure stuff some weird uh practical effects
• 1:01:46
  Track 2: okay well she's still scary definitely scary oh super creepy.
• 1:01:51
  Track 1: They do i mean just in general the like the way they can make these movies look
• 1:01:57
  Track 1: you know like you don't really like you have michael kane just like walking
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  Track 1: around normally and then you just kind of have the muppets existing sort of
• 1:02:03
  Track 1: just normally and you just, it's...
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  Track 2: You totally buy it.
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  Track 1: Because, you know, the Muppets just lived in, you know, 1850s London.
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  Track 3: I liked how in Marley, the song, sorry, back to the banger Marley and Marley,
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  Track 3: when like they have Muppet chains on the Muppets, but then when they throw chains
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  Track 3: onto Scrooge, they're real chains on him instead of like Muppet chains.
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  Track 3: I like that little detail.
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  Track 2: I don't think I ever thought about that. Yeah. I guess the chains reflect who you are. Yeah.
• 1:02:32
  Track 3: Yeah.
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  Track 2: Beautiful.
• 1:02:34
  Track 1: I can just constantly hear them doing the like, ooh, sound every time. So good.
• 1:02:42
  Track 2: Well, they are personalized chains because they have like money boxes.
• 1:02:46
  Track 2: And like in the book, it says the chains have like deeds on them and stuff.
• 1:02:50
  Track 2: So actually, if they had deeds, I guess they were something to do with property.
• 1:02:53
  Track 2: But yeah, Marley's chains had like deeds and stuff. Banks have the old property.
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  Track 3: That, and they're also saying, like, in the song, like, how they're like,
• 1:03:01
  Track 3: oh, we forged all these chains with our evil acts and all this stuff.
• 1:03:05
  Track 3: My own personal hell that they created for themselves.
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  Track 1: Or himself. Just one, remember? One Marley.
• 1:03:10
  Track 2: No, it's two.
• 1:03:11
  Track 3: It's Marley and Marley.
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  Track 2: The real version is two. We all know it.
• 1:03:15
  Track 3: Yeah, this is the real version. Marley and Marley and big hand guy.
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  Track 2: Like...
• 1:03:20
  Track 2: Big ham, God.
• 1:03:21
  Track 3: We got it. We know the canon. We know the lore.
• 1:03:24
  Track 1: I pulled up the lyrics to that song. And in the lyrics, they put Statler and
• 1:03:29
  Track 1: Waldorf. So they're both speaking.
• 1:03:31
  Track 1: But they screwed them. They screwed Waldorf in the actual credits.
• 1:03:34
  Track 2: I don't even understand that. There's two Marleys. Why aren't they not crediting him? That's true.
• 1:03:39
  Track 1: This is in Wikipedia. I wonder if it's different in IMDb.
• 1:03:44
  Track 3: IMDb is just like Marley 2.
• 1:03:47
  Track 2: They made up a name for him. He's Robert Marley, which now that I think of it,
• 1:03:51
  Track 2: I don't know if that's a joke or not.
• 1:03:53
  Track 2: Like Bob Marley. I don't know. Just a coincidence.
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  Track 3: I mean, he wasn't singing about like, don't worry, have a good time.
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  Track 2: He was not at all.
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  Track 3: Anything like that. No.
• 1:04:02
  Track 1: Don't worry.
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  Track 3: Thank you.
• 1:04:05
  Track 2: I think here on like the page, you know, it says Michael Caine to go back to
• 1:04:10
  Track 2: like Michael Caine, like playing it straight, that he took inspiration for the
• 1:04:14
  Track 2: role from Wall Street cheats and embezzlers.
• 1:04:17
  Track 2: I thought they represented a very good picture of meanness and greed.
• 1:04:21
  Track 2: It's like, yeah, man, that is, that's the deal.
• 1:04:24
  Track 2: Yeah. Yeah. Nailed it. Yeah.
• 1:04:26
  Track 1: Wait, so in the.
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  Track 3: You're starting to get it.
• 1:04:28
  Track 1: In the IMDB credits, it lists Jacob Marley and Robert Marley.
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  Track 2: Yeah.
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  Track 3: As it should.
• 1:04:35
  Track 2: Yeah, he's got a name. As it should.
• 1:04:36
  Track 1: So Wikipedia is not the good source of truth. I should have used Grokopedia instead. Grokopedia.
• 1:04:43
  Track 3: Dude, you should have looked it up on Conservopedia. Are you kidding me?
• 1:04:47
  Track 1: Wait, that's not a real thing.
• 1:04:48
  Track 3: Now I got... Oh, yeah. Conservopedia is absolutely a thing. And now I got to
• 1:04:51
  Track 3: look up fucking Christmas Carol on Conservopedia.
• 1:04:55
  Track 1: I didn't know that was a thing. I don't...
• 1:04:56
  Track 2: I did not know anything.
• 1:04:58
  Track 3: You've never... Oh, my God. It's so terribly fantastic.
• 1:05:01
  Track 2: Now, I want to talk about... I want you to talk about how...
• 1:05:04
  Track 3: Fantastically terrible, one of the two.
• 1:05:06
  Track 2: Your note on why Kermit works for Struge and if that makes him a bad person.
• 1:05:12
  Track 1: So, I didn't finish writing what I was going to say there. It's like, I don't...
• 1:05:15
  Track 3: Oh, there's a Christmas Carol article on Conservative Media?
• 1:05:19
  Track 1: Wait, so you're asking me why do I say he is a bad person for working for him?
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  Track 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:24
  Track 1: Well, no, I don't think he is because the way I would see it is he needs a job,
• 1:05:29
  Track 1: you know, in a, especially in this time in 1850.
• 1:05:32
  Track 1: Like he was probably thankful he could get this job and not be working at a factory.
• 1:05:36
  Track 1: You know, maybe he used to work in a factory. And this, this is a huge step
• 1:05:41
  Track 1: up to be like, in theory, he seems to be kind of like the manager of the other
• 1:05:46
  Track 1: little, like the rats who work at the shop or whatever.
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  Track 1: Maybe. Or something like that. So he doesn't live very well,
• 1:05:53
  Track 1: but he doesn't make him a bad person. He's just doing what he's got to do.
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  Track 2: Kermit, I feel like Kermit is not allowed to be a bad person.
• 1:05:59
  Track 2: Like, I don't think they would ever put him in a role that could be even slightly construed that way.
• 1:06:04
  Track 2: Like, that's why, like, Kermit's got to be usually, like, the lead in a Muppet movie.
• 1:06:09
  Track 2: But obviously, they're not going to make him Scrooge because...
• 1:06:12
  Track 2: That's impossible, so he's got to be Bob Cratchit. The next biggest role.
• 1:06:16
  Track 2: He wouldn't fit his ticket. No, no, no. Gonzo is.
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  Track 1: The only thing you can blame him for is not asking for a raise,
• 1:06:21
  Track 1: although I guess he just assumed he'd never ask Scrooge because he would never give it to him.
• 1:06:24
  Track 2: Yeah, he wouldn't even give them a piece of coal for the fire,
• 1:06:27
  Track 2: so a raise probably felt like too far out.
• 1:06:31
  Track 1: I thought it was hysterical, though, that later when Scrooge is giving all of
• 1:06:35
  Track 1: the people their gifts, which also, where did he get all this stuff on Christmas
• 1:06:38
  Track 1: Day when everything was closed?
• 1:06:40
  Track 1: but he gives all of the rats like a back a basket of coal which in like modern
• 1:06:45
  Track 1: day you think of the associate that is like that's a you got him cold for a
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  Track 1: gift but like they're like oh.
• 1:06:50
  Track 2: Yeah i.
• 1:06:50
  Track 1: Can not be cold.
• 1:06:51
  Track 2: I cannot be cold yeah which is it's really kind of sad because he's just he's
• 1:06:56
  Track 2: giving them a gift but it's really what they like should have had all along
• 1:06:58
  Track 2: that's like that's not a gift that's like giving someone like toothpaste like
• 1:07:02
  Track 2: you should just get that automatically right.
• 1:07:04
  Track 1: That's true he's just yeah he's just like making up for all the things he didn't do.
• 1:07:08
  Track 2: Right i think that's really what
• 1:07:10
  Track 2: it what it's i feel like it doesn't even symbolize a gift so much as yeah.
• 1:07:14
  Track 3: No it's just making.
• 1:07:15
  Track 2: Up yes yeah didn't.
• 1:07:16
  Track 3: They ask him for.
• 1:07:17
  Track 2: Extra coal earlier it's less of a gift and more of a um a promise penance a
• 1:07:22
  Track 2: penance yeah yeah because he gives money.
• 1:07:24
  Track 1: To the charity and he gives them like enough to make up for the previous years when he.
• 1:07:29
  Track 2: Didn't give the money what does conservopedia have to say about a christmas carol.
• 1:07:32
  Track 3: Uh i gotta pull it back up it nothing terribly crazy.
• 1:07:35
  Track 2: What could they have to say it's funny.
• 1:07:38
  Track 1: Conservopedia won't open on my computer so.
• 1:07:40
  Track 2: I'm just yeah a.
• 1:07:43
  Track 3: Christmas carol is a charles dickens story about the transformation of a bitter
• 1:07:46
  Track 3: miserly capitalist confronted by ghosts and quotations one fateful christmas
• 1:07:51
  Track 3: eve the beautiful tale may be inspired by the parable of lazarus and the rich
• 1:07:55
  Track 3: man in the gospel of luke And it's a very short article.
• 1:07:59
  Track 2: Even they can't come up with anything. They're like, we're in a ride.
• 1:08:01
  Track 2: Yeah, they can't come up with anything.
• 1:08:02
  Track 3: Yeah, they've used miserably several times, so they're grasping at Shawsome.
• 1:08:08
  Track 3: And there's no existing articles for any of the Muppets. No.
• 1:08:13
  Track 3: Kermit and Miss Piggy don't even have pages.
• 1:08:16
  Track 1: There is one on Grokopedia.
• 1:08:17
  Track 3: So listening at home. Don't go to Grokopedia. You've got some free time.
• 1:08:21
  Track 1: I just went to, I'd never been to Grokopedia in my life, but at the very front page, it's showing.
• 1:08:25
  Track 3: The fact that you know about Grokopedia versus Conservatio.
• 1:08:28
  Track 2: I didn't even know that existed.
• 1:08:29
  Track 1: I only learned this very recently, but it's like, there's like little pop-ups for new edits.
• 1:08:34
  Track 1: And it says, Elon Musk, new edit approved by Grok. It's like he is himself editing this page.
• 1:08:40
  Track 1: Like I just, what's going on?
• 1:08:43
  Track 1: They only have 1 million articles. What a joke. I'm sure they're all written by AI.
• 1:08:47
  Track 3: Yeah, it's like all AI with Elon edits, which I mean, I guess it's a little bit more clear.
• 1:08:52
  Track 3: You can go to Grokipedia and like article about China and be like,
• 1:08:55
  Track 3: oh, it's Elon that hates China.
• 1:08:58
  Track 3: Not fucking, not citation needed that hates China.
• 1:09:03
  Track 1: No one made leftopedia or something? or I guess it's just marxist.org.
• 1:09:07
  Track 2: Does anybody have any other final thoughts?
• 1:09:11
  Track 2: Jackie, do you have any final thoughts on Love a Christmas Carol and what it
• 1:09:14
  Track 2: can tell us about our current system of oppression and exploitatively?
• 1:09:20
  Track 2: I think it's like we were saying. I think it's I think people need to pay a
• 1:09:24
  Track 2: little more attention to the how you treat each other versus how you see Christmas.
• 1:09:30
  Track 2: As much as I love Christmas, love a Christmas movie. I don't think that's the point. I would agree.
• 1:09:35
  Track 1: I don't have any, my only final thoughts is that this should be at everyone's
• 1:09:40
  Track 1: Christmastime, you know, movie rotation. Yeah.
• 1:09:45
  Track 2: Yeah. I think people, you know, it is a kid's movie, obviously,
• 1:09:48
  Track 2: and people think of it, but I feel like it's not just a kid's movie.
• 1:09:51
  Track 2: Maybe it's because I watch it as a kid, so it's nostalgic, but I feel like it
• 1:09:55
  Track 2: like holds your interest as an adult. Please.
• 1:09:58
  Track 2: How is this a children's movie as opposed to just a movie?
• 1:10:03
  Track 2: I'm not saying that's what I think.
• 1:10:05
  Track 3: I would say this is more of a children's movie than something like Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
• 1:10:11
  Track 3: Like some people insist is a children's movie.
• 1:10:20
  Track 1: Hey, I had that VHS as a child.
• 1:10:23
  Track 3: Yeah, I did too. That didn't make me get this kid appropriate.
• 1:10:27
  Track 2: Wow.
• 1:10:28
  Track 2: I just, like, I don't think it's a children's movie so much as just,
• 1:10:31
  Track 2: I think it's, like. I mean, this movie does have sexy chickens in it, so.
• 1:10:35
  Track 2: I feel like it's just a movie that anyone can watch. I don't feel like it's aimed at children.
• 1:10:42
  Track 2: Like, I can't think of a movie aimed at children now.
• 1:10:46
  Track 3: No, I like the idea that this is, like, possibly the second sexiest children's movie behind.
• 1:10:54
  Track 2: Yeah, yeah, obviously that's a good one. Yeah, like, I feel like,
• 1:10:57
  Track 2: yeah, like, Trolls, sure, I've never seen a Trolls movie. Me neither. I just...
• 1:11:03
  Track 2: I said Trolls 2. Trolls 2, sure. Like, Trolls 2, that's a kid's movie.
• 1:11:09
  Track 2: Whereas, like, this... Any Muppet movie, the Muppets are for everybody.
• 1:11:14
  Track 2: Yeah. The Muppets have no age, you know.
• 1:11:17
  Track 2: Well, it's like how Pixar stuff, like, used to be, which is,
• 1:11:21
  Track 2: like, it could be enjoyed by anyone, but, like, it was okay for kids,
• 1:11:23
  Track 2: but adults would also enjoy it. I feel like that's the same kind of thing.
• 1:11:27
  Track 1: Yeah. I get the sense like when they made it, it wasn't necessarily making it
• 1:11:32
  Track 1: to be targeted towards kids.
• 1:11:34
  Track 1: I actually saw someone post online like, oh, I tried to get my kids to watch
• 1:11:38
  Track 1: Muppets Christmas Carol.
• 1:11:39
  Track 1: And they were like into it until I got really excited. And then they stopped wanting to watch it.
• 1:11:44
  Track 2: Because this seems like a you problem.
• 1:11:48
  Track 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:49
  Track 3: Have you ever thought that maybe you're really fucking uncool and your kids
• 1:11:53
  Track 3: recognize that? and then they go, oh, you like this? I should probably stop.
• 1:11:59
  Track 2: I mean, the Muppets are like, in like Jim Henson world, the Muppets are like the adult stuff.
• 1:12:05
  Track 2: Like Sesame Street is for kids and Muppets are like adults.
• 1:12:08
  Track 1: Yeah, I mean, Dark Crystal is not a kids movie.
• 1:12:13
  Track 2: No, it is not. Despite the fact that I watched The Desert Child many times.
• 1:12:17
  Track 1: I did as well. Yes, not a kids movie, really, at all.
• 1:12:22
  Track 2: Yeah, definitely a different time. which reminds me of another Muppets movie,
• 1:12:26
  Track 2: Labyrinth, in which I saw someone recently post about how,
• 1:12:30
  Track 2: The Labyrinth is a movie that glorifies pedophilia, and it's like,
• 1:12:37
  Track 2: you seem to have missed the point that he's the bad guy.
• 1:12:42
  Track 2: He's the bad guy. You might have a problem here.
• 1:12:47
  Track 3: It's the same type of people that are like, Starship Troopers didn't do a good
• 1:12:50
  Track 3: job of depicting fascism because the bugs are gross.
• 1:12:53
  Track 2: Like, what?
• 1:12:55
  Track 3: Buddy. Buddy. There's so much other stuff in there. Did you watch this?
• 1:13:00
  Track 1: Oh boy i might need to re-watch dark crystal but maybe not with my.
• 1:13:03
  Track 2: No no bill watched it as a kid and look how he turned out everything's fine
• 1:13:08
  Track 2: like you got to do it when you're young we've talked about this we all yeah.
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  Track 3: Dark crystal if you think who framed roger.
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  Track 2: Rabbit's a kid they can.
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  Track 3: Watch dark crystal.
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  Track 1: It's tame by comparison is what you're saying.
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  Track 2: Uh you know maybe in regards there's there's less sex dark crystal is way darker
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  Track 2: um i think most you know most of the,
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  Track 2: the bad parts of dark crystal are going to be the same as like the most traumatic
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  Track 2: parts of such as melting a screaming cartoon shoe in dip but you're not going to get the uh you know,
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  Track 2: sexist baby slapping the ass of his nanny or jessica rabbit um you know you're
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  Track 2: not gonna get that you're just you're gonna get a big loss you're gonna i.
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  Track 3: Like how you just leave it at jessica rabbit just jessica rabbit being.
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  Track 2: Just yeah it's good enough yeah you're just gonna get all of the horror part
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  Track 2: of it in dark crystal you know podlings at least dark crystal will prep you.
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  Track 3: Because at least dark is in the name. Yeah.
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  Track 2: You know what you're getting into. Just walk into it.
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  Track 3: Sex. A lot of sex is not in the name of Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
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  Track 2: This is the greatest interpretation of A Christmas Carol ever put to film, hands down.
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  Track 2: That's just true, though. I don't think that's an exaggeration.
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  Track 2: I think that's true. Some people disagree, and they're wrong. What else is there?
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  Track 1: There's a Will Ferrell one from a few years ago that I heard was terrible.
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  Track 2: Really? I don't remember that at all. Jim Carrey one.
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  Track 3: That sounds bad. That sounds bad.
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  Track 1: It's a musical where he plays Scrooge. It's like, that just doesn't sound interesting.
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  Track 2: No, it does not. There's the Jim Carrey one, and then there is Scrooged with Bill Murray. Oh, yeah.
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  Track 3: I was about to say, I feel like the only other one that could possibly be up
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  Track 3: there is Scrooged, but I haven't seen it in so long.
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  Track 1: What is the Will Ferrell one?
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  Track 2: We have a friend that claims that Scrooged is better.
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  Track 1: The one with Will Ferrell is called Spirited with Ryan Reynolds.
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  Track 2: I don't remember that existing.
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  Track 3: That doesn't sound great.
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  Track 2: That doesn't sound great. You know nothing about it other than the thing that
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  Track 2: Ryan Reynolds is. Who is Ryan Reynolds?
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  Track 1: It was an Apple TV movie.
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  Track 2: Who is he in that movie? Jackie, I love you. Who is Ryan Reynolds in that movie?
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  Track 1: Oh, never mind.
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  Track 2: I know who Ryan Reynolds is. I just wanted to know who the end of the movie.
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  Track 2: No, I know who Murphy Brown is, but I do not know who Ryan Reynolds was. I was like, oh.
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  Track 3: That's awesome. I love Jackie so much. She's so cool. Doesn't know who Ryan
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  Track 3: Reynolds is. I just want to know who he was. Oh, I'm so jealous.
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  Track 1: They made up a character named Clint Briggs. I don't know who that was.
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  Track 2: Of course. This is why I asked. What? This is why I asked, because Ryan Reynolds
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  Track 2: cannot play anyone but Ryan Reynolds.
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  Track 2: So I was like, who could he possibly be playing in that movie?
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  Track 2: And the answer is a character who is just Ryan Reynolds.
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  Track 2: Who the fuck? what the fuck,
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  Track 2: is that that's ridiculous the.
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  Track 1: Plot reading the plot of this sounds so horrendous it just looks I can't even
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  Track 1: hate watch this it sounds too bad.
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  Track 2: Because I don't think I can watch it if there's no cheeses I doubt there's nieces
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  Track 2: and cheeses not even worth it.
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  Track 1: There's no one else really oh Octavia Spencer is also in it god like what are you doing being.
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  Track 2: A hero really like she's a good actor but she will also be in fucking anything
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  Track 2: I kind of love that yeah I mean honestly Michael Caine Michael Caine was in,
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  Track 2: like, everything. Yeah, Michael Caine is the same way.
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  Track 2: Michael Caine is an incredible actor. He will also be in anything.
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  Track 1: Well, he could have stopped his career after this, and no one would have hated him for it.
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  Track 2: Absolutely. Fact. This is the peak. This is peak Michael Caine.
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  Track 3: Oh, absolutely.
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  Track 1: Awesome. Well, you've been— Jackie, thank you for joining us today.
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  Track 2: Thank you for letting me come talk about Muppets.
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  Track 1: Of course.
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  Track 3: This is good to have you.
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  Track 2: And historical context, my favorite thing.
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  Track 1: And you've been listening to Left of the Jector with Evan, Ward,
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  Track 1: and Bill. We'll catch you next time.