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Horsepower & Harmony: How Music Drives Our Passion for Cars · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Grand Touring Motorsports started as a social group of car enthusiasts,
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  but we've expanded into all sorts of motorsports disciplines, and we
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  want to share our stories with you.
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  Years of racing, wrenching, and motorsports experience brings
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  together a top notch collection of knowledge and information
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  through our podcast, Brake Fix.
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  Anyone that knows me knows I have two passions in life, cars and
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  music, and often I find that these two passions overlap or have an
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  indirect relationship with each other.
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  I feel that there is a deep seated connection as both worlds
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  can ignite feelings and emotions unlike anything else on the planet.
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  Today on the show, we'll talk about that connection as well as other car
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  and music adjacent musings and topics.
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  Coming to you live from WGTM studio in the basements of Washington, D.
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  C.
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  It's Break Fix with Brad
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  and Eric.
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  Right you are, Pete.
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  And please join me in welcoming back Pete Klein from Vet Motorsports, along with
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  Donovan Lara from Garage Riot, and GTM members Rob Lures and Mountain Mandan.
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  So just kind of give some, I guess, history.
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  Into your car slash musical background.
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  Now we'll just go around the horn.
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  I guess I'll start with Rob.
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  I know you've got a, a huge musical history.
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  I think it was your uncle taking you around Boston area.
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  You name it.
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  There's a history there.
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  My mom was a soundboard operator at the original Woodstock.
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  So their album collection was completely off the hook.
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  They've met everybody under the sun.
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  My dad, they met when they went to college at Northeastern and he had a
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  Volkswagen bus there that they would wheel all the stuff from the radio studio
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  from Northeastern out to the cliffs over the beach and have full weekend
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  long beach parties with the whole show.
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  The Northeastern radio shows from the overlook over the beach, just
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  blasting music out for the whole time.
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  And so.
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  This is sort of the culture I was raised in of we always had pretty ridiculous
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  speakers and pretty much every album you can imagine every type of music.
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  The earliest band I ever listened to was the police.
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  My mom was a guitar player as well.
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  And so that started everything.
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  I got multiple trombones, a ukulele, a banjo keyboard played with a bunch
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  of ska bands all over the place.
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  Where's the
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  two timpanis and the two tubas?
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  Uh, my brother's house,
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  which, which sounds funny, except that my brother's wife is the
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  town sort of district music teacher up in Massachusetts.
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  Literally they have a timpani and multiple tubas and euphoniums and clarinets
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  and everything else in their house.
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  And their car purchases were driven by what could actually fit a timpani.
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  So early on, she got out, she got one of the like manual transmission, Honda
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  element, because with the seats folded up, you could actually just slide a
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  timpani in there and a two, but together at the same time and take it places.
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  You can fit an
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  eight by 10 base cabinet in a Honda element.
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  You can fit
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  it in a
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  Honda element.
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  You know what?
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  You can fit a
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  piccolo in.
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  You can fit it in everything.
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  In addition, my uncle was a record producer for hard hardcore bands,
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  sort of a few steps beyond, you know, noise bands and hardcore, et cetera.
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  And so he would, uh, at a pretty young age in, in early high school, he was
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  the one who would drop off mixtapes at my house for every possible excuse.
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  He could, and then give me the list of every.
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  Tiny five person size club up to the big clubs and every show
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  that was possibly going on.
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  And so we were always at the, at the forefront of hearing all that.
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  As you got further along in high school, there was a ton of vehicular
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  shenanigans and getting to shows as a 16 and a half year old and out until
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  three in the morning at some tertiary show you were at after the, you know,
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  two shows after the first show was over.
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  In someone's either basement or Newbery Comics back room or
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  wherever it might happen to be.
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  That's sort of where it began, that and then into car stereos and into
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  every possible type of music from the trombone history to a little bit of
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  banjo playing to all sorts of stuff.
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  You name it, I listen to it and you name it, I'll drive it.
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  So it all sort of dovetails together pretty well.
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  So let's go with Donovan.
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  Always around music, uh, even when I was a kid, I mean, we were talking a
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  minute ago about the, you know, the, the hi fi speakers that were, you know,
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  three feet tall blasting, you know, Zeppelin and whatever, you know, it's
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  always going by that, but became a musician really to get out of class.
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  I probably wasn't the best student.
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  And in fifth grade, they, they said, Hey, anybody that wants to play music, uh, you
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  know, an instrument come to the band room.
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  So me and my two hooligan buddies went to the band room and, uh, the
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  only instruments that we thought were cool enough were drums.
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  So we started playing and I was really the only one that stuck with it.
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  And, you know, at the same time, my mom had gotten
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  remarried to a musician who was.
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  Fairly successful in the Atlanta area and he had a studio in the house.
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  So I was always around that, you know, moved from obviously concert percussion
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  to drum set, started playing, played all the way through high school.
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  I actually paid my way through college on a jazz band scholarship, which was cool.
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  I did that.
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  I did basketball band and show choir, anything I could do.
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  But I got in a band in college that, uh, was pretty successful.
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  And I have to think now, you know, if social media had been, you know, around
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  back then we might've, might've been something, but, uh, we played the college
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  circuit across the Southeast, pretty big deal, I guess, you know, making
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  a lot of money in college, did that.
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  And then, then went on to, um, you know, continue to play.
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  I'm still in a band twice over midnight.
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  We've got a disc out, got some videos out for the previous iterations of the band.
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  So I keep it going, but, uh, yeah, that's kind of.
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  In a nutshell, I guess that's it.
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  My ex wife was a singer, so I've always just always been around that.
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  And, you know, music is still really a important part of our household right now.
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  There's always music going on.
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  You know, somebody is always singing.
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  We got pianos all over, there's drum sets back here.
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  I mean, it's just ongoing thing with us.
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  Is that when we ask you Donovan when the reunion tour is with your
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  ex wife, if you were in the band or is that, does that not happen?
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  I'm sorry.
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  Did I speak out of turn?
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  I apologize.
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  Is that
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  if we were into the same type of music, maybe that would work out, but
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  no reunion tour.
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  That's what I'm hearing right
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  now.
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  Probably not.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  Just, I just wanted to clarify.
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  I don't know what the band was that was touring in the Southeast and such
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  man, the worst band name ever.
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  We were called cool beans.
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  I didn't come up with a name.
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  But it's funny, you know, I was just going through some stuff
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  the other day in the basement.
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  And I found one of our flyers and like vertical horizon was on the bill with us.
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  And, you know, we did some crazy things.
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  One of the weirdest gigs I think we ever had.
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  Cause we were kind of a, like a widespread panic, grateful dead man, which wasn't
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  music I necessarily listened to.
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  I was more of a three 11, you know, that kind of guy, but that was the big deal.
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  I mean, we were getting booked a lot and we somehow got booked for, I don't
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  know if you guys remember the band.
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  I think they were called all for one.
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  They were like a boy band.
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  We opened up for them in a baseball field in Huntsville, Alabama.
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  So you can imagine you've got 12, 13 year old girls freaking out over this band.
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  Here we are, you know, right.
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  We're playing, you know, Grateful Dead and all the stuff that
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  they've never even heard of.
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  In the meantime, they set us up in the front of the stage.
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  So, you know, my drums were in front of the drum riser and they started testing
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  the lights while we were playing.
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  And I don't know if you guys have ever been close to park hands that big, but
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  I thought I was going to catch on fire.
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  It was, it was just constant.
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  Heat.
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  So not the most cringeworthy gig I ever played.
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  Maybe we'll talk about that later, but, uh, it was, it was certainly a,
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  I think we should go to Pete and then finish off with, with the GT emojis.
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  For those of you listening, this is Pete Klein.
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  And I did the, the intro.
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  We're in the basement of the studios somewhere in Washington, DC.
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  Uh, I didn't really have the illustrious start that some of the
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  other presenters have talked about.
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  My parents burned records for a living.
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  No, I'm just kidding.
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  They did nothing like that.
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  So I didn't really get into music.
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  Until really I got into college.
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  I mean, I grew up in Cleveland, was really into sports.
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  I tried playing bass when I was in high school, but it really didn't
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  pan out that great, but I loved rock and roll and I loved music.
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  And so when I was in high school, I was a big metal head.
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  I mean, and if you grew up in Cleveland, that's kind of.
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  I mean, it is heavy metal central to shows like the reunion tour for deep
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  purple on the first day of iteration of, of that with Ian Gillen and, you
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  know, Jimmy Blackmore and all that.
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  I did the Roger Waters pros and cons of hitchhiking.
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  And that was his first time doing a solo work right after he left pink Floyd
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  or Gilmore kicked him out or whatever.
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  And really didn't pick up.
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  Playing music until college, like I said, and then I went to Ohio state
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  and ended up picking up bass down there and getting involved in a band.
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  And over the course of 20 years, we had a recording contract and I would say
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  toured with my hand quotes in the air, you know, the country and played South
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  by Southwest and North by Northeast and North by Northwest New York city.
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  Um, and did some pretty cool things.
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  We opened up for a band called dig, they were out from the LA scene, opened up for.
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  The early version of Creed, I mean, right before they broke
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  huge, but you know, we were more like built to spill or Neil Young.
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  It's an alternate kind of vibe.
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  And I mean, Neil Young kind of like live Russ, but not an emo
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  thing, but it was really kind of a country ask Americana kind of vibe.
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  You know, I did that for 20 plus years and, and I'm sure everybody here
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  has these stories of being in bands.
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  It's like being in a marriage with, you know, X number of people that are,
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  and after a Kind of burn out from it.
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  And then I decided to go motorcycle racing and went from a being challenged
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  emotionally by four or five guys and being stuck in an econoline van with a
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  bunch of guys that are overly flatulent to driving around in a van with a
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  motorcycle in the back and road racing.
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  So, I mean, that's more or less my background.
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  Was your pit crew overly flatulent as well?
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  Well, pick crew is me of one.
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  So yes, consistently overly flatulent.
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  Yes.
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  I am.
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  It sounds like a great band name.
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  Overly flatulent.
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  I like that.
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  It's good.
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  Overly flatulent Donovan.
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  What was the name of your band again?
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  Cool beans.
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  And their album
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  overly flatulent.
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  No, the, uh, yeah.
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  Overly flatulent.
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  Is that your first release?
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  Might as well have been.
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  Yeah.
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  Sorry, Don.
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  I was like, these guys are
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  your first release overly flatulent.
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  Well done.
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  Well played.
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  Oh, by the way.
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  So Rob asked, so the, the band that I was in was called silo the Husky.
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  So that might be on par with cool beans.
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  So it was S I L O.
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  H U S K I E, not Y.
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  No, that's still better.
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  In fact, I don't even refer to that band as Cool Beans.
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  I just call us The Beans.
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  So when somebody says, Oh yeah, that's back in The Beans days.
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  So, which it really isn't any better, but you know.
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  All right, let's go to Mountain Man Dan.
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  So what's your, do you have a musical background or are you like Eric?
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  You just, you're just a hobbyist.
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  My musical background started when I was a kid.
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  My mom and stepfather used to have, Parties at the house,
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  friends would come over and they would bring their instruments.
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  This is back in the mid 80s.
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  They'd always bring their guitars and stuff like that.
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  I always had interest in learning guitar, but My age, my hands being so
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  small, I couldn't stretch my fingers out far enough to hit the chords.
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  So one of the guys decided, Hey, I'll bring a mandolin.
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  So I brought a mandolin.
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  I learned my chords initially on mandolin to play a lot of like bluegrassy
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  type stuff or like classic rock.
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  They showed up with a banjo one time and I just started plucking
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  on it and having fun with it.
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  And then from there in school, I wanted to play saxophone.
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  But unfortunately, my family didn't have the money to afford one, which
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  just by chance someone in the family had a clarinet, so I got stuck with
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  a clarinet, and then wound up being in a drum corps for a little while,
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  because my sister was in a majorette.
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  I got stuck with going along, and it was boring for me, so whenever a
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  group would come through and there's two people carrying the flag that
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  says what the group is, that was me and my brother for a good while.
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  Before they decided to open up, do a drum.
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  So I started doing that and I did a little bit with Tom's and a little bit
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  with the, uh, bass drum and kind of got out of it by that time I was having a
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  license, wasn't as interested in that portion of it, but a friend of mine's
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  brother had a band that was doing pretty decent locally on the local scene.
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  So I kind of wrote it for them for a while, because it was fun to just
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  go hang out at the clubs with them.
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  I can see that.
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  The cool thing is, even though I was, I wasn't 21, I could get into
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  the clubs because I was broody.
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  So I'd be hanging out in the crowd underage back then in the nineties.
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  Nobody cared.
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  So I also
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  had
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  that beer too.
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  Yeah, he's had that since the eighties.
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  What are you talking about?
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  I
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  was
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  born with
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  it.
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  Whenever they would practice and stuff, I'd get on stage
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  and sing their songs and stuff.
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  At one point they asked if I wanted to sing for them, and I had
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  too much stage fright to do it.
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  They wanted to get another singer, and they actually almost had a
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  record deal, and then the band broke up like shortly after they were
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  in the talks for a record deal.
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  And then they wound up splitting up.
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  So unfortunately I never went anywhere.
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  I have a feeling if I heard you sing, which I've never heard you
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  sing, you would end up something along the lines of Randy Travis.
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  So we're just going to leave that where it is.
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  If you go to a concert with them, you'll hear him sing.
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  Oh, really?
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  Oh, dang.
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  Yes, you will.
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  So I
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  gotta, I gotta share a little tidbit though.
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  And this is something that I don't even know that Brad knows.
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  I do come from a musical family.
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  I come from some Renaissance artists as well.
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  No, no, Kazoos don't count.
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  Hey, Piccolo.
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  All right, but, but seriously, no, my grandfather, he would build instruments
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  from scratch, so there's all these stories and I don't have to share all of
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  them, but basically, you know, guitars, violins, like all sorts of stuff.
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  He would make his own wood, do all this crazy stuff.
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  So at one point my grandfather decided.
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  He was going to build accordions, a typical Italian thing to do, but
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  in their case, he's old school.
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  So this is not the accordion with the keyboard, like, you
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  know, the black and whites.
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  This is actually the old school push button kind, right on both
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  sides and not, not a squeeze box.
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  This is a full size.
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  Okay.
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  So, So he built one for me.
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  He built one for, uh, my uncle, uh, my cousin, stuff like that.
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  And so all built from scratch.
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  And he brought it over here one year for Christmas.
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  It's at my mom's house.
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  And he proceeded to try to teach me to play over the two weeks
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  that they were here on vacation.
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  And I tell you what, I am not musically inclined.
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  And after that horrendous experience of trying to learn an accordion,
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  which is extremely difficult, I never picked up an instrument ever again,
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  but I have a huge appreciation.
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  For music.
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  I do not like Polka.
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  I'm just going to throw that out there.
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  And I have no affiliation with that whatsoever, but, uh, I just
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  thought that was just fun to share.
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  I can see you in it.
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  Like the,
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  I got to, I got to ask though, another tradition is using copper
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  pipe for like car parts and stuff.
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  Did this accordion have copper piping anywhere?
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  It did have copper piping, but it did have copper rivets and a lot of other stuff.
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  So it's, it's just, it's just.
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  It goes with the territory.
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  It's par for the course.
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  So anyway, Brad, you played an instrument in school.
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  I know that.
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  You were a band geek.
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  So yeah, yeah.
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  I started playing saxophone back in fifth grade and I played all the way
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  through high school and some college.
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  I had a music scholarship for saxophone and everything.
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  And where's your saxophone?
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  At the pawn shop.
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  I sold that thing years ago.
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  Really?
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  Yeah.
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  It was great.
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  I mean, I was good.
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  I had fun and everything, but I just, I lost interest in playing that.
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  I always wanted to play guitar or something cool.
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  So I tried teaching myself and I was terrible at it.
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  I'm still terrible at it and I pick it up every once in a while.
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  But then I really kind of started just, I love live music.
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  There was a time about five or six years ago, I just started going to concerts,
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  like, like crazy, even from high school.
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  And I was going to concerts probably two to three to four a month.
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  I did something about music.
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  I don't, I don't know.
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  I don't have that much to say about my musical background, just that I love
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  music and maybe ever from when I was a little child, you know, riding around
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  in the car with my dad and my mom.
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  And I, when the first person, actually the only person in my family
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  to actually play an instrument.
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  But we all have like an appreciation for it and just making playlists and riding
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  around on the beach and just listening to the tunes and everything and just
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  getting in the car and going for a ride.
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  Not no particular place to go and just listening to songs and everything.
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  And those are some of my fondest memories with my parents and everything.
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  So it's just that has stuck with me, you know, to this day.
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  And I just,
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  Is that like how you guys feel about music though?
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  Is that like an escapism?
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  I don't mean escape from running from something, but it's able to
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  transport you somewhere, right?
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  I Brad, is that kind of what you're thinking?
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  Is that kind of what you're touching?
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  It definitely transports me somewhere and it puts me in a, in
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  a different mindset.
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  Or you were saying how music can be an escape.
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  I've always thought music is universal language.
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  Cause it doesn't matter where you are in the world.
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  If a song comes on that has a good beat, it doesn't matter if you know
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  the words to it or not, you'll still, like, tap your foot, move your head.
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  Boots and cats, and boots and cats, and boots
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  and cats.
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  You know, that's the one thing that nobody hates, right?
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  I can't think of anybody that hates music.
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  I mean, they may hate certain disciplines or genres of music.
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  It's like the one common thread across everybody.
• 16:27
  I use music to focus.
• 16:29
  Like someone laughed one said like, Oh, I have to write this big paper.
• 16:32
  And how do people do that with music?
• 16:33
  Like right now I'm sitting here and I can, I can hear my kids playing.
• 16:36
  Cause they're not quite asleep.
• 16:37
  I can hear a helicopter going by.
• 16:39
  I can hear cars going by.
• 16:40
  I hear like 75 noises when it, whereas if I need to sit and focus, I put
• 16:45
  on my serious audiophile headphones and I blast something so that my
• 16:48
  brain can only hear that music.
• 16:51
  And it cuts it down to just one thing.
• 16:53
  And by doing so my ability to focus on that second thing is, infinitely better
• 16:57
  while especially as something I know I can sit there and bop along to it.
• 17:00
  As you said, it's that bopping along.
• 17:02
  It's just so ingrained.
• 17:03
  It eliminates.
• 17:04
  Every other distraction from my existence, but just the music and what I'm doing.
• 17:09
  And it's so much simpler for me at that point.
• 17:10
  I'm with you on that, Rob.
• 17:12
  And you know, my wife knows that when the house and the down tempo and a lot of that
• 17:16
  stuff starts playing, I'm either writing code or I'm writing an article for, you
• 17:19
  know, the club or something like that.
• 17:21
  So you're right.
• 17:22
  It helps me align in a certain way and gets me focused.
• 17:25
  And for whatever reason, just having that soundtrack in the background,
• 17:28
  even if it's something, you know, down tempo or whatever, it helps me
• 17:32
  filter out the rest of what's going on.
• 17:34
  You know, certain music can make me feel a certain way.
• 17:37
  So if I'm, it's an emotional release, pretty much.
• 17:40
  And so if I'm feeling a certain way, if I'm angry, I'll go listen
• 17:45
  to something to help me kind of get that frustration or that anger out.
• 17:48
  If I'm feeling happy, I mean, you can tell by my mood, by kind of like the
• 17:52
  music that I'm listening to pretty much.
• 17:54
  But yeah, it's, it's kind of like an escape from the idiocy of normal life.
• 17:59
  I mean, I don't know.
• 18:00
  I don't know what you're talking about, man, because when I I've
• 18:02
  ridden with you in the car for hours and hours, we even had one
• 18:05
  trip when it was completely silent.
• 18:09
  Because
• 18:09
  the only station your truck got was NPR.
• 18:12
  And we were driving 13 hours from Maryland to fucking Kentucky.
• 18:18
  And we couldn't get NPR in every state, you asshole.
• 18:22
  So it was silence for like Yeah, but when I
• 18:24
  ride with you, it's the opposite.
• 18:25
  All I hear is So I can't tell if you're happy or sad or getting revved up.
• 18:31
  It all sounds like somebody's Eating rocks, but
• 18:36
  it sounds different to me.
• 18:37
  So what you hear is like someone just gargling nails.
• 18:41
  It actually does sound different to me.
• 18:43
  I've developed that ear for the little nuances in the screening and the growling
• 18:48
  and you know, all that good stuff.
• 18:50
  Just, you know what, Eric, the next time you get them in the car.
• 18:52
  Get them in the car during NPR is pledged drive.
• 18:55
  And that
• 18:59
  not to knock on NPR because, uh, the tiny desk series on YouTube is amazing.
• 19:05
  That
• 19:05
  is excellent.
• 19:06
  That's good.
• 19:06
  All
• 19:08
  right.
• 19:08
  So, so that's our musical backgrounds, but why the hell are we on a car podcast?
• 19:13
  To make the connection between music and cars, cause we are a
• 19:17
  car podcast after all to Peter's question about, you know, is it like,
• 19:21
  I got to stop right there.
• 19:24
  You're Pete, right?
• 19:25
  Not Peter, not Peter.
• 19:27
  No, no, it's just Pete.
• 19:28
  I mean, that's
• 19:29
  to, to Mr.
• 19:30
  Klein's question,
• 19:33
  it's sir or overlord to you, sir.
• 19:36
  His question about escapism, you know, Music can be an escape, but obviously cars
• 19:41
  and driving, that's an escape as well.
• 19:43
  I mean, there's the only one way to get away from something and stop in
• 19:46
  your car and drive the fuck away.
• 19:48
  I mean, I think music and cars is like red wine and steak, right?
• 19:51
  I mean, it's one of those pairings that just goes well together.
• 19:54
  And I think it opens the floor up to what's that song or that album or that
• 19:58
  band that kind of gets you revved up or when you're out there on a twisty mountain
• 20:02
  road, I mean, let's go with Donovan.
• 20:03
  He's on tail of the dragon on the regular.
• 20:06
  I mean, what are you playing when you're out there on the mountain?
• 20:10
  You know, it varies.
• 20:11
  Honestly, you know, I listen to music on the way, but when I'm on
• 20:14
  the road, it's windows down, listen to the exhaust and sound the engine.
• 20:17
  But it's really interesting for me, you know, early on, it was just, you
• 20:21
  know, whatever I could turn on that was loud and made a lot of noise.
• 20:24
  And, you know, depending on where I'm going, it really, you know.
• 20:28
  It does kind of turn into a soundtrack for me.
• 20:30
  You know, like I, I go to visit my family in Florida and, you know, I'll
• 20:34
  take the interstate as far as I can.
• 20:35
  Then I get on back roads and, you know, like out of cell phone range kind of
• 20:38
  back roads and, you know, I'll put on whatever it is, some kind of alternative,
• 20:43
  you know, Paramore used to be a big fan of Graham's a big, you know, I
• 20:46
  love fan of Graham, stuff like that.
• 20:47
  And, and you're talking about the escape part of it.
• 20:50
  And for me, it's always like this alternative track that I haven't
• 20:52
  heard on the radio, 1500 times, you know, that kind of thing.
• 20:56
  So.
• 20:56
  It really does kind of transcend, especially you get on a road, you know,
• 20:59
  there's one, one particular piece of this road where it's an old logging road.
• 21:02
  And, you know, half the time it's all just torn down on the side and all you
• 21:05
  can see is blue sky, you know, you've got this amazing music soundtrack going on.
• 21:09
  So it's been a while since I really gotten jacked up for
• 21:13
  some kind of outing like that.
• 21:14
  But I can tell you, uh, I had a buddy of mine's, uh,
• 21:17
  Gallardo for a couple of weeks.
• 21:19
  Fire starter, prodigy, all those spitfire that was, that was on demand
• 21:23
  in every time we got in that car, it was like crank it up and just haul ass.
• 21:27
  So,
• 21:28
  and I, I'm really trying to put some really serious thought into us, even
• 21:31
  though we're having a great time talking about it, you know, it's whatever mood
• 21:35
  I'm in is what's playing on the radio.
• 21:37
  Right.
• 21:37
  And so.
• 21:38
  You know, my motor sports background, you know, from recent motorcycles and
• 21:41
  stuff, you know, typically if I'm, if I'm at the line for autocross now, and
• 21:46
  you know, I may be cranking Queens of the stone age up until the point where,
• 21:49
  you know, I'm up next or whatever, but it just depends on what's going on.
• 21:53
  And I think for me, I think.
• 21:55
  Music is a soundtrack.
• 21:56
  It sets the mood and tempo for whatever I'm doing.
• 21:59
  And I think, especially depending on the mindset, it amplifies and provides
• 22:04
  a lot of color to what's happening.
• 22:05
  And I can't really explain it any more than that.
• 22:08
  It fills my day with immense joy.
• 22:11
  It, no matter what I'm listening to.
• 22:12
  you know, but I, I.
• 22:13
  I have my favorite songs, but I tend to pick and choose really where my mood's at.
• 22:17
  And that's what I'm going to listen to for a while.
• 22:19
  I don't know if that, if that makes sense or not.
• 22:20
  But there's,
• 22:21
  there's not one song where you, you pull the scrunchie out of your ponytail
• 22:25
  and start doing donuts in your Ivox Z.
• 22:27
  Uh, yeah, I rock Z.
• 22:28
  No, listen, I think I love a great rock anthem, right?
• 22:33
  And I think rock anthems in cars go well together.
• 22:38
  And so if you had to say, okay, babe, if you're in the car and you're
• 22:40
  listening, what anthem would you play?
• 22:43
  Because you're from Cleveland and you love heavy metal, but you love Hard Rock.
• 22:47
  What would you be listening to?
• 22:47
  So I would tell you right now, Boston, more than a feeling
• 22:52
  is like the quintessential.
• 22:55
  or Kiss Detroit Rock City up to Diver Down.
• 23:02
  So any of the catalog is a great song.
• 23:05
  Love comes walking So those are the songs I But you know, boston, bos album
• 23:13
  I ever had next to with Led Zeppelin.
• 23:17
  First So I'm going to say that
• 23:23
  Rush claim they got their start in Cleveland.
• 23:25
  Wasn't it the, they played the long play, what was it?
• 23:28
  Blue collar man, or whatever the song is that they
• 23:32
  played that always at midnight on Sunday on WMMS.
• 23:35
  They played that song and maggot brain.
• 23:38
  It's an actual song.
• 23:40
  Look it up.
• 23:40
  So that's, I, I'm sorry if I screwed up the question, but that's kind
• 23:44
  of where my head space at when I'm listening to music in the car,
• 23:47
  something I miss from back in the day, late nineties.
• 23:50
  I think for me.
• 23:51
  In this case was actually the music discovery aspect of driving.
• 23:55
  I used to frequently drive from like my parents house out to UMass,
• 23:58
  which is where I went to school.
• 23:59
  And you have to climb a mountain up sort of a nice twisty road.
• 24:02
  And I had, you know, 16 valve Scirocco for a while in there.
• 24:05
  And at the very end, you know, the different things.
• 24:07
  And I'd be driving up that road and like, I was listening to some random
• 24:11
  stations, the middle of the night.
• 24:12
  And.
• 24:13
  The first time I ever heard, and this is where it gets interesting to me is maybe
• 24:17
  it's because of my background playing in jazz bands and big bands and sky bands
• 24:20
  and things, but there was this brand new album by Michelle Camilo, who is a
• 24:25
  Latin jazz pianist, and he had done his first ever big band album, this thing
• 24:30
  called a hothouse, like I'm driving.
• 24:32
  And as a song built in crescendo, just the way the rhythm kept getting faster
• 24:36
  and faster, just the way it accelerated.
• 24:38
  Was on a different planet.
• 24:40
  And the song is like a seven and a half, eight minute long song.
• 24:43
  By the end of the song, the car is barely staying together with the speed.
• 24:46
  I'm going, I literally had to pull over cause I was just drenched in sweat from
• 24:49
  like the act of listening to it because something about it was just so driving.
• 24:54
  And it was different.
• 24:54
  Like other times hard rock goes very well together with fast driving, but
• 24:57
  there's the discovery of different styles of music that can actually compel you.
• 25:02
  To do those kinds of things in a different way in a car.
• 25:04
  It was the first time I'd ever heard that I went and seeked out the
• 25:06
  album and it became this huge thing.
• 25:08
  It, it, I was a music minor in college as well, but as everybody started
• 25:11
  to listen to this album and realize that it was one of those albums where
• 25:14
  it was never actually done live.
• 25:16
  The level of complexity was just never done in one take.
• 25:19
  It took them too many takes from all the different musicians to get it.
• 25:21
  These were like the best studio musicians across the board and
• 25:24
  the horn sections and everything.
• 25:25
  But I can vividly remember having to pull over in the middle of the night, you know,
• 25:29
  windows were down, the sunroof was open.
• 25:30
  This was just.
• 25:31
  Blasting out of, you know, I built up the whole stereo in this thing too.
• 25:34
  It was just exhausting at how fast I was driving and just how
• 25:39
  in sync with the music I was from something that wasn't expected.
• 25:43
  Right.
• 25:43
  It wasn't hard rock.
• 25:44
  It wasn't alternative.
• 25:45
  It wasn't any of those things.
• 25:46
  It was literally like big band Latin jazz stuff, but it was just,
• 25:50
  just amazing that sort of the way it all felt at that moment.
• 25:53
  Would you say though, I'm thinking about the Michelle Camilo comment,
• 25:56
  amazing piano player, by the way.
• 25:58
  And if you listen to him, the thing that's really kind of enticing about it
• 26:01
  is you can hear him in the background and like, like he's singing what he
• 26:05
  told me as he's, it's incredible.
• 26:07
  And it draws you in.
• 26:07
  And it made me think about it, you know, really, is there.
• 26:10
  Two states of driving with music.
• 26:12
  I mean, I think there's the, the escapism mode, right?
• 26:15
  Where I'm listening to music.
• 26:16
  That's making me think of being somewhere else.
• 26:18
  And then there's like the prodigy where I'm like, okay, I'm all jacked up.
• 26:22
  I want to feel every corner.
• 26:24
  I want to feel the performance of this car.
• 26:27
  You know, I think they're different, but to me that when you guys are talking
• 26:29
  about it, that sounds like the two states, you know, other than you're just
• 26:32
  cruising to McDonald's or something, but you know, when you're really, you
• 26:35
  know, For me anyway, it's either, either I'm out of my head somewhere and I'm
• 26:39
  appreciating the drive, or I'm really in the moment with the car itself, you
• 26:42
  know, trying to be, be one with it.
• 26:44
  For me, like when, you know, driving around in cars and listening to
• 26:47
  music, I mean, that's something I did from before I could even walk.
• 26:51
  I mean, my family, we were always on the move.
• 26:53
  We were going to the beach, we were going to, you know, to a trail to go
• 26:56
  bike riding or walking or whatever.
• 26:58
  And, you know, and there's always music on in the car.
• 27:01
  I remember distinctly, I get very distinct memories.
• 27:04
  Riding to the beach to Ocean City with my mom, and we're listening to
• 27:07
  the Moody Blues, and her favorite song comes on and, you know, she's
• 27:11
  sitting there belting out the lyrics, you know, at the top of her lungs.
• 27:14
  And I'm just, I'm like a, a, a 2-year-old sitting in the passenger seat looking
• 27:17
  at her with all, and you know, the same thing with Michael Jackson
• 27:21
  and Elton John, just all the time.
• 27:23
  And my dad, we'd go to Florida every year.
• 27:25
  Two to three times a year, and he would spend hours, if not days, just crafting
• 27:30
  the perfect playlist for this 18 hour trip, you know, and it's on cassette.
• 27:35
  So we're flipping the cassette over.
• 27:36
  Listen to the same songs like 10 times.
• 27:39
  And then I discovered my favorite bands when I was a car porter at a dealership
• 27:44
  locally here, and I had to take the cars and wash them and fill them up with gas.
• 27:49
  And one of my favorite things to do, because all the cars came with a free
• 27:52
  subscription of Sirius XM is as soon as I got in the car, I would tune
• 27:55
  it to liquid metal and turn it up.
• 27:57
  You know, as soon as I left it that way for the customers, I know they loved it.
• 28:00
  It was great for them.
• 28:02
  One time I did it.
• 28:04
  And then, uh, Opeth's, uh, ghost reveries was on and I was
• 28:07
  like, what the fuck is this?
• 28:08
  My mind was completely blown.
• 28:10
  I was just sitting there.
• 28:12
  I mean, you wouldn't think that like metal music can bring you to tears, but
• 28:15
  I mean, I'm such an emotional guy anyway.
• 28:18
  Listening to some of this music, it just brings me to tears, you know, just tears
• 28:22
  of sadness, tears of joy, whatever.
• 28:23
  It's just, and I found, you know, them and actually that's, I was at that
• 28:28
  con, one of the concerts, I drove up to Philadelphia with a couple of our
• 28:31
  club members and we went to see them.
• 28:33
  I've been in New York to see them.
• 28:34
  And it's like, I've been following them around ever since.
• 28:36
  And that's because I was working at a car dealership, moving cars around.
• 28:41
  I just happened upon them.
• 28:42
  And it was just, It was just amazing that
• 28:44
  discovery.
• 28:44
  No, exactly.
• 28:46
  Exactly.
• 28:46
  But I want to go back to something that Pete alluded to way earlier talking about
• 28:50
  driving anthems and stuff like that.
• 28:52
  And so I wanted to chime in on that for a second.
• 28:54
  And so for me, I think 1 of those songs and this gets to like, where I, you
• 28:59
  know, like Brad talked about his favorite band and how you get into all that.
• 29:03
  It's kind of a weird thing because I got this connection to the cruising
• 29:07
  idea of like that car anthem by the opening of Revenge of the Nerds 2,
• 29:12
  which if you're familiar with that movie is Back to Paradise by 38 Special.
• 29:17
  And for me, that's one of those just Car anthem songs.
• 29:20
  Like, you know, it's just happy.
• 29:22
  It's it gets you in the mood to go drive in and stuff like that.
• 29:25
  But my dad was a big audio guy, right?
• 29:28
  He wasn't musically inclined.
• 29:29
  He appreciated music and he had a ton of music.
• 29:31
  I found out, especially after he passed away, there was like, you know, a
• 29:34
  treasure trove of reel to reel and all sorts of stuff that I went through.
• 29:37
  And so, you know, he was big into disco and all that kind of stuff, which is,
• 29:41
  you know, one of my guilty pleasures.
• 29:42
  And we'll talk about that.
• 29:43
  But.
• 29:44
  I found, you know, as a kid, the song that got me and got me hooked on my
• 29:49
  favorite group was in the eighties when they played The Look by Roxette
• 29:54
  for the first time on the radio.
• 29:56
  And I heard it in the car while he was driving me to school.
• 29:59
  And I was like, That's a big, you know, guitar, electric guitar, heavy song.
• 30:04
  And so that's always gotten me.
• 30:06
  I've always appreciated their music and it's absolutely fantastic.
• 30:09
  But I found though, you guys were talking about driving and it seemed
• 30:13
  to like a lot of daytime driving.
• 30:15
  And for whatever reason, I found myself as a young driver driving at night a lot.
• 30:20
  And so for me, the connection was the songs at night, there are a lot more
• 30:23
  chill, maybe a little bit more down tempo, which got me into, you know,
• 30:27
  house music and some other stuff.
• 30:29
  So I was wondering for you guys, like, what's your nighttime soundtrack?
• 30:34
  Like when you're out driving, let's say on a long trip.
• 30:36
  So my first ever nighttime album.
• 30:39
  I think I was just learning how to drive.
• 30:41
  I learned how to drive on a drive from, from Massachusetts up to the Finger Lakes.
• 30:45
  Doing the night shift.
• 30:46
  The only, I think it must've been a tape that we had was Paul McCartney's,
• 30:50
  Give My Regards to Broad Street.
• 30:52
  Phenomenal album.
• 30:53
  That album became the soundtrack to my night driving because as I was
• 30:58
  driving, my dad would just flip it over.
• 31:00
  Cause he didn't want to distract me at all.
• 31:01
  Cause it was like multiple hours of like learning how to drive with this, you know.
• 31:05
  All the manual in the Volkswagen bus and everything, but that became
• 31:08
  the night music was that album for me was, was that big thing
• 31:11
  for me?
• 31:12
  I've got a couple albums.
• 31:14
  One is a David Bowie's station to station because my father, when he was making
• 31:18
  his playlist, he would pick a lot of songs from that one favorite is stay.
• 31:22
  Fantastic song.
• 31:23
  And then, uh, Pink Floyd, I wish you were here.
• 31:26
  Shine on your crazy diamond, all the parts of that.
• 31:28
  And you just nice and chill and a lot of guitar and everything.
• 31:31
  Just nice to cruise to and everything that, and, uh, the wall, you know, the
• 31:35
  wall gets, it's got a very, uh, dynamic.
• 31:37
  It's a lot of mood changes in that, but you know, just cruising to those at
• 31:40
  night, uh, and just regular song that just gets me going is a don't stop me now.
• 31:47
  You know, if I, if I need to get pumped up, then I just put that on and
• 31:50
  just screaming the top of my lungs.
• 31:52
  My wife is like giggling at me and laughing at me when
• 31:54
  I start singing that song.
• 31:55
  I mean, even in the kitchen, you know, if I'm sitting here getting
• 31:57
  ready to cook, I put that song on and it just, I get all riled up.
• 32:01
  That's the two different types of night song too, right?
• 32:03
  There's the type of like, you're fully wide awake and you're driving and want
• 32:07
  that background music versus the like, I'm sort of half dozing, but I know I
• 32:10
  need to get there and I have an hour left.
• 32:12
  And what am I going to crank to, as you said, to sing
• 32:14
  along to it, be in the moment.
• 32:16
  So you finished that drive.
• 32:17
  Yeah.
• 32:17
  That second
• 32:18
  one for me, for me, it was always a synchronicity that album by the
• 32:21
  police phenomenal for that purpose.
• 32:23
  For me, that was my big one.
• 32:24
  You know, nowadays my soundtrack is God, how many bugs am I hitting with this car
• 32:29
  that I'm gonna have to clean tomorrow?
• 32:30
  Um, really like when I'm on a road trip, I think that's when I start to
• 32:35
  go through kind of the deeper albums on my, you know, my iPod, you know, you
• 32:39
  go back to, you know, like you said, the police, or you listen to a rush
• 32:43
  or, you know, I've got to say that the classic driving album for me, though,
• 32:47
  is still journey's greatest hits, right?
• 32:49
  You put that Something like that, where you're just kind of going
• 32:52
  back through some of the old stuff.
• 32:53
  I mean, you know, right after, you know, pit stop when you got Red Bull
• 32:56
  and stuff in it's whatever the new stuff is, you're cranking it up.
• 32:58
  But when you're really kind of in that zone to me, it's stuff
• 33:01
  that I've heard a million times.
• 33:03
  It's comfortable.
• 33:04
  You know, I know it.
• 33:06
  Just kind of go through it.
• 33:07
  And it's a lot of that stuff is a lot of the classic rock, but it's, it's
• 33:10
  always the full album at that point.
• 33:11
  It's not, I'm not jumping songs.
• 33:13
  I'm listening from end to end and, um, 10 Sunder's tales, for example,
• 33:16
  you know, something that's really good from beginning to end, I think
• 33:20
  is really like you were saying, right.
• 33:22
  You know, it kind of takes you on a journey and stuff and you can,
• 33:24
  you know, Valleys and you can listen to the full experience.
• 33:26
  When I'm with you, when I was younger, I listened to a lot of Genesis, right?
• 33:30
  Especially at night.
• 33:31
  So that seemed to kind of keep me going.
• 33:32
  And their albums were one of those where it's like, you know, you're
• 33:35
  two minutes in and suddenly you're 20 minutes in and you didn't realize, cause
• 33:38
  it's like, they're just designed in such a way that you just plow through
• 33:42
  it and they're seamless in a way.
• 33:44
  And so I always, I appreciated Phil Collins and the whole group
• 33:47
  there, but you know, that, I think my tastes have changed since then.
• 33:50
  Now I find myself.
• 33:52
  80s synth wave.
• 33:53
  I'm listening to stuff like The Acrylics, Isle, and a lot of, you know, the Daft
• 33:58
  Punk album, like the Tron soundtrack.
• 34:00
  There's a fantastic night cruising, uh, Martin Solveig.
• 34:04
  A lot of the, this newer stuff that has like this retro
• 34:06
  feel, those are a lot of fun.
• 34:08
  And I find those to be relaxing too, because I don't want to be
• 34:11
  overly amped at night either.
• 34:12
  Right.
• 34:13
  And to kind of piggyback on that, the big thing about music is you feel it.
• 34:16
  It's not just something you listen to.
• 34:18
  You actually feel it.
• 34:19
  I get, I know guys that used to wrestle and everything, and they'd
• 34:21
  listen to like stuff to get them amped up before they went out on the mat.
• 34:24
  I think for me, like the initial connection of cars and music
• 34:27
  was when I got my license.
• 34:29
  One of the first modifications I did to my car was improve the stereo system.
• 34:33
  That's what you did.
• 34:34
  You put big speakers in there, put an amp in there.
• 34:36
  You could just ride around.
• 34:37
  Everybody heard your music.
• 34:39
  And of course, Get cops caught on you quite a bit.
• 34:41
  But that was part of growing up because you're all about that base.
• 34:45
  Just to jump on that for a second.
• 34:46
  I wonder if there's a connection there, right?
• 34:48
  So everybody I knew ended up in cars, like my brothers in mechanic,
• 34:52
  everybody did, did get their start of like, I can replace the speaker.
• 34:56
  Right.
• 34:57
  And so replacing the speaker was like on day one was I got to be
• 35:00
  able to take a door panel off.
• 35:01
  I got to be able to not screw up the windows, the locks, everything else.
• 35:04
  I'm replacing speakers.
• 35:05
  I got to figure out how to run wires to amplifiers and how to not fry
• 35:08
  myself on the battery a second time or a third time as a gateway drug.
• 35:13
  Like music gets you into comfort with the fact that a car is just a
• 35:17
  machine and no matter how complex you're doing it, at some point you can
• 35:20
  just take it apart and figure it out.
• 35:21
  But that's sort of like a huge gateway into.
• 35:25
  Being a car buff, right?
• 35:26
  Is, is that hands on attention that you get from that, that simplistic
• 35:29
  car stereotype stuff first.
• 35:31
  And new cars have taken that away from us.
• 35:33
  As if you think about it,
• 35:34
  the head units, a lot have, I still, I've taken brand new cars, still
• 35:37
  apart to do speaker changes, but like, yeah, the degree to which I knew
• 35:40
  how to take out a head unit and take apart a dashboard and how to funnel
• 35:42
  everything around, that's, that's sort of gone because now they all use.
• 35:45
  Fully integrated where you're doing that.
• 35:46
  You got to cut all that, all that stuff was
• 35:49
  connected to the clutch pedal, right?
• 35:50
  So it all went at the same time
• 35:53
  and funny to your, to your point, Rob, I mean, around the
• 35:56
  club, it's a big joke, you know, between us that Eric built my car.
• 35:59
  He's the one that does all the work on it and everything.
• 36:01
  It's funny because.
• 36:03
  I won't touch my car.
• 36:04
  I mean, I will, I'm trying to learn, but it's, it's hard for me to get the
• 36:07
  confidence to go in and, you know, do a brake swap or your suspension swap
• 36:11
  or something like that on the car, but I will take apart a dash and I will
• 36:14
  pull out the head unit and the speakers and all the wiring and all that other
• 36:17
  bullshit and put in all brand new stuff.
• 36:18
  Cause.
• 36:19
  I've done it before, you know, it's a, it's not just
• 36:22
  funny because when we stripped the black GTI, I had Brad do all the interior work
• 36:26
  because he had a lot more experience and surprisingly with his big sausage
• 36:30
  hands, he was way more delicate than most of the other people would be.
• 36:33
  So I was very proud of him for that.
• 36:35
  Actually, I think you've touched upon something here.
• 36:37
  I want to, I actually want to take it one step further because the
• 36:40
  majority of people here have been.
• 36:44
  On the road with a band or touring with a band.
• 36:46
  And I think there has to be a certain amount of self reliance.
• 36:49
  If you're in a vehicle far from home with a bunch of other people
• 36:53
  and it breaks down, you've got to have that ingenuity to fix it.
• 36:56
  It's no different than if you're towing a car to a racetrack or trying to transport
• 37:00
  yourself to VAR or mid Ohio, but it's the same thing, except you've got a van full
• 37:05
  of equipment and you've got to figure out.
• 37:08
  If they break down, how can I get it fixed and how can I get
• 37:11
  to the next show or whatever?
• 37:12
  And I think, I don't know if Donovan or Rob or mountain man, Dan can, I know I
• 37:16
  certainly have my stories, but I'm sure you guys have your stories as well.
• 37:20
  Right?
• 37:20
  Before you guys continue, I have this fantasy in my head that here
• 37:22
  you are, you know, let's say 18, 20 years old and you're in a band or
• 37:27
  whatever, and you go to a used car lot and the gentleman there, you know,
• 37:30
  older guy probably wearing tweed.
• 37:32
  And he's like, What are you looking for, Sonny?
• 37:34
  And the first thing out of your mouth is I'm in a band and
• 37:37
  they go come right this way.
• 37:39
  So is there like a particular part of the used car lot where you guys are, you
• 37:42
  know, absorbing these fantastic vehicles?
• 37:45
  Oddly enough, they always came from family members.
• 37:47
  The first.
• 37:49
  Vehicle that I drove was my stepfather's old 77 Dodge van that he used to
• 37:54
  carry all his gear in in the van.
• 37:56
  So you imagine being in high school and pulling up to a girl's house in a van,
• 38:00
  I mean, full size van, no windows on it.
• 38:02
  That, that was, did it say free candy on the side?
• 38:05
  It was very rarely a good idea.
• 38:07
  And it was her father loved that.
• 38:10
  Yeah.
• 38:11
  A lot of times in the middle of nowhere and the backroads pre cell phone days
• 38:15
  and all that stuff too, for sure.
• 38:17
  No wiring, thankfully, but always, you know, a tire or a transmission issue or,
• 38:22
  you know, something like that constantly.
• 38:24
  Yeah.
• 38:24
  I got a story for you guys.
• 38:25
  So I wanted, so we had a show in Youngstown and we were driving back
• 38:29
  and we had an extended O'Connell line one 50 van with the inline six.
• 38:34
  And I think it was like an 89 or something like that.
• 38:36
  And we'd build a partition of wood.
• 38:39
  Between the back area to put all the equipment and then in
• 38:42
  the, like the seating area.
• 38:43
  And it wasn't a window van, right?
• 38:45
  It was like a workman's van.
• 38:46
  So the one slide door on the right hand side, which is the passenger
• 38:50
  side, there was a huge window, but on the other side, it was just nothing.
• 38:55
  So like, if you wanted to look out to see where you're going, all you
• 38:58
  could see was everything going by.
• 38:59
  So we broke down right outside of state route 57.
• 39:04
  On I 76 outside of Rittman, Ohio.
• 39:07
  And we ended up calling a tow truck cause we had triple A.
• 39:10
  And so three of us got in the front seat of the tow truck, but we didn't
• 39:15
  tell the tow truck driver that there were other band members and they hid
• 39:18
  in the back of the van and they towed the van all the way from the exit
• 39:24
  of Rittman on I 76 back to Columbus.
• 39:27
  And they were all drunk.
• 39:28
  They had no place to pee.
• 39:30
  You know what I mean?
• 39:30
  They were basically stuck in the back of this van for two hours.
• 39:34
  I have to say something, you know, when somebody is from Ohio, because they have
• 39:39
  to tell a story by giving you all of the intersecting highways to a, to a location,
• 39:45
  it is something I've just noticed from my in laws, my wife's from Ohio.
• 39:49
  It's the funniest thing.
• 39:50
  So I totally appreciate that.
• 39:51
  Uh, name me some towns.
• 39:55
  He's like random McNally over here.
• 39:57
  Yeah,
• 40:00
  it was on the turnpike somewhere.
• 40:02
  If you, for those of you
• 40:03
  listening, Walkman, Atlas, Rotary phone, they're all in the same generation.
• 40:08
  Right.
• 40:08
  And I do appreciate that partition you guys set up because that way the
• 40:12
  flatulence could be even tighter.
• 40:14
  Right.
• 40:14
  We
• 40:14
  compress the air.
• 40:15
  Exactly.
• 40:16
  It
• 40:17
  doesn't seem like anybody in any band van, cause we had the same kind of thing,
• 40:21
  ever knew anything about the exhaust because there was Always an exhaust
• 40:24
  leak in every single van we ever had.
• 40:27
  And we always fought over who sat in the cave.
• 40:29
  That's what we called in the back in the very back.
• 40:31
  And you always Like Cheech and
• 40:32
  Chong, except you were just getting monoxide poisoning.
• 40:34
  We had a percussionist that carried a three foot bong in the van.
• 40:38
  So we were always like clam bake.
• 40:40
  And you know, then she got that and then the exhaust.
• 40:42
  And so it was just whoever, whoever got the short straw was screwed in the back.
• 40:46
  Oh.
• 40:47
  In terms of silly, I mean, there's, there's too many to count as the problem.
• 40:51
  Uh, I think the most fun ones were, we were out in North Hampton and I
• 40:55
  played with the, an opening band prior to the, the Boston's playing a show.
• 41:00
  And I had known all the mighty, mighty Boston's guys for a while.
• 41:03
  I'd played with them in a few, a few gigs.
• 41:05
  And so I wasn't supposed to be playing with them this gig.
• 41:07
  And they decided to let me play afterwards.
• 41:08
  So I played with them and they were like, Oh, we have another show tonight at like
• 41:11
  three in the morning back in Boston.
• 41:13
  And I was like, okay.
• 41:15
  And so I figured we're taking the big van.
• 41:17
  The van had already left cause we were all just sort of hanging out chatting.
• 41:20
  So we all piled into their Volkswagen Fox.
• 41:23
  So this was a two door Fox with the entire band in it.
• 41:27
  Plus me, they threw me in as well.
• 41:29
  I had my, with my trombone.
• 41:31
  And I remember being on like the mass pike halfway halfway down
• 41:36
  the road and the alternator died to the headlight slowly died.
• 41:39
  The whole thing came down.
• 41:40
  Luckily, they actually like they had a bunch of replacement parts for this thing
• 41:43
  because they broke that all the time.
• 41:45
  And none of them know how to do anything.
• 41:46
  So I distinctly remember on the side of I 90 in Massachusetts.
• 41:51
  We're replacing the alternator in a VW Fox so that we, so that myself and the rest
• 41:54
  of the Bostonians could get to the gig, except for my turbo and everything else
• 41:57
  was already sound checked as we pulled in.
• 41:59
  But it was like seven bodies crammed into a two door Fox.
• 42:03
  And like, all of them are like on the side of the road, just making fun of
• 42:06
  me the whole time, like holding up flashlights and other crap while I'm
• 42:09
  replacing this alternator in the dark.
• 42:10
  And it's one of those, one of those fun moments.
• 42:13
  What was the cross street?
• 42:14
  The guy from Ohio street.
• 42:16
  I think,
• 42:17
  I think every time.
• 42:20
  I
• 42:21
  think every
• 42:23
  time Rob says a trombone, we should take a shot.
• 42:30
  But this podcast will be very short.
• 42:32
  You'll be on the ground in no time.
• 42:33
  Brad, what you really wanted to know in all this though, was what, what kind
• 42:36
  of music or what was the song that was playing when we started cruising with
• 42:40
  the windows down first cruise strip?
• 42:43
  It's gotta be one of the, you know, you guys all know you did it.
• 42:45
  I didn't do it.
• 42:46
  Well, I, I did it.
• 42:47
  Well, let me go ahead and kick this off because I remember, I have a
• 42:50
  distinct memory of visiting my brother.
• 42:53
  So my, my brother had a job with one of the local radio stations here, DC 1 0 1.
• 42:57
  I went and visited him and a bunch of his, uh, radio station friends at the beach.
• 43:01
  One year.
• 43:02
  It was like the last day we were hanging out.
• 43:04
  A bunch of people had already left and we decided we're gonna go get crabs.
• 43:07
  And we're in Ocean City going down the strip and I've got the car.
• 43:10
  You know, and we've got like three or four other people with us and we
• 43:12
  crank up as loud as we can, sunglasses at night, driving down the, you know,
• 43:18
  the, the main drag and ocean city.
• 43:20
  You know, we're in our twenties, the song's like 30 years old at this point.
• 43:24
  And we're like looking at girls, screaming our lungs out, singing and everything.
• 43:28
  They're just pointing at us and laughing and the disgust, or I don't
• 43:31
  know, embarrassment or whatever.
• 43:32
  And that was like one of the first real times, you know, that I.
• 43:36
  You know, I did
• 43:37
  that.
• 43:38
  I got you there, bro.
• 43:39
  Picture this Annapolis, nicely Annapolis, 1990, something.
• 43:45
  Right.
• 43:45
  And my first car, I had a, I had an 87 Audi coupe, Alpine white open exhaust
• 43:50
  sounded like a screaming dragon.
• 43:51
  Every time you just wrapped on the throttle.
• 43:53
  Right.
• 43:54
  So we're cruising down into Annapolis for whatever reason, I got guys in the car
• 43:58
  and my buddy's like, Hey, I got an idea.
• 44:00
  And I had a cassette deck, so he throws this cassette in there and
• 44:03
  cranks the volume all the way up.
• 44:05
  So here's four young kids in a white Audi, they're playing German rap.
• 44:12
  So I'm like, yeah, this isn't going to end well for any of us.
• 44:15
  So yeah, that was a big mistake cruising song right there.
• 44:18
  Oh, I got a great soundtrack story.
• 44:20
  I'm using my soft radio voice right now.
• 44:22
  We were in college and a buddy of mine owned one of the older style FJ cruisers,
• 44:28
  and he took the top off of it and put in this really like obnoxiously loud.
• 44:34
  Stereo.
• 44:34
  And then he painted it, like, I guess you would call it
• 44:36
  now, like a, a desert Fox tan.
• 44:39
  So I had this like desert tan camo thing.
• 44:43
  This guy, and his name was actually, he's, he's great guys is crazy.
• 44:46
  And he put like a skull on the door, like, you know, by the front fender.
• 44:50
  And we drove around town playing the apocalypse now soundtrack at full volume.
• 44:55
  Nice.
• 44:56
  So.
• 44:57
  All right.
• 44:57
  That didn't go anywhere with you guys, but the whole soundtrack was, um, Colonel
• 45:01
  Kurtz speaking in these very insane monologues that he did in the movie.
• 45:05
  That was the majority of the soundtrack.
• 45:07
  So I just wanted to, it was a very weird experience
• 45:10
  that reminds me of the devil's reject soundtrack where each, every other
• 45:14
  song is a snippet from the movie.
• 45:17
  And then they played part of the song or whatever.
• 45:19
  Does anybody else?
• 45:20
  You want to, you want to chime in with their first experience of
• 45:23
  rocking the windows down with a, some embarrassing song playing in the radio.
• 45:26
  Definitely all through high school was the offspring.
• 45:29
  I had a buddy with an old cut list, two door with a sunroof and at full volume,
• 45:34
  come out and play was literally the only track we would ever play in that car.
• 45:37
  Oh, you didn't have
• 45:38
  a bad habit.
• 45:40
  Going to school, back from school, anything.
• 45:42
  And at the right moment, everybody, like, um, the dashboard was cracked
• 45:45
  because of how many times whoever was the passenger had to do the, the double
• 45:48
  hit every time it happened to that song.
• 45:50
  And it was literally, the way you could identify us from, from miles away was
• 45:54
  just blasting the hell out of that song.
• 45:57
  The other, the more embarrassing one, I'm trying to find the name, it
• 45:59
  was some Early eighties bass song.
• 46:02
  My, my first best friend had a, uh, what was it?
• 46:05
  A 50th anniversary Trans Am black and white, the anniversary edition one.
• 46:10
  And he had built like, he still is a car stereo installer now as a 40 year old.
• 46:14
  So it gives you some idea of what he was doing back then.
• 46:16
  Built one of those car stereos that was competition ready.
• 46:20
  I remember going up to somewhere in New Hampshire.
• 46:21
  We won.
• 46:22
  He won first place.
• 46:23
  Not because when he cranked this song loud enough, his car could bounce, but because
• 46:27
  it could get the cars on either side of his to actually get off the ground,
• 46:30
  it was, you know, a realm of like eight 18s all fired differently with baffles
• 46:34
  built so they could go out the bottom.
• 46:36
  The base was just like shaking the whole place and anything within a
• 46:39
  hundred yards, it was just starting to bounce and bounce and bounce.
• 46:43
  I remember the first time we built this system in this car, you literally were
• 46:46
  not allowed to hear the volume past two.
• 46:49
  Because the decibels would have like the windows would blow out.
• 46:51
  Like we did it once where the windows like popped out a little
• 46:54
  bit of, uh, of their tracks when the windows were closed too much.
• 46:57
  And so the windows had to be down in order to actually go above like one
• 47:00
  and a half out of 10 on the volume.
• 47:02
  And anything above two was only for competition.
• 47:04
  Really?
• 47:05
  No, I want to hear Daniels.
• 47:06
  I know it's Charlie Daniels, man.
• 47:08
  I'm sure.
• 47:09
  Or Alabama
• 47:09
  hockey talk stuff.
• 47:12
  No, surprisingly.
• 47:14
  I don't think it was embarrassing, by any means, but one of the first songs
• 47:17
  that like had that whole nice feel to it, good bass to it and everything, the guy I
• 47:22
  went to school with had an old Volkswagen Bug and all he had was one 10 inch sub
• 47:26
  in it, but because the Volkswagen Bug was sealed so tight, it had such a good
• 47:30
  sound to it, and he used to always play Sublime, Love Is What I Got, you know,
• 47:35
  and that was just a great song, and so for myself, I used to listen to a decent
• 47:39
  mix of rap and everything at that time, because That are like the base track CDs.
• 47:43
  'cause that was a big thing back in the day.
• 47:46
  Base track CDs, . I
• 47:48
  remember the bass.
• 47:49
  Bass bass . Yeah.
• 47:53
  So the Friday soundtrack, oh my gosh, I used to play that a lot.
• 47:58
  And my favorite song for the bass on that was on uh uh, super Ho
• 48:03
  and . It was just a comical song and it had really good bass to it.
• 48:07
  I could totally close my eyes and see you rocking out to
• 48:12
  that in like a Volkswagen bug.
• 48:14
  I didn't have the bug I had square body.
• 48:16
  In some square body.
• 48:18
  I had Toyota Corolla at that time.
• 48:20
  Ah, that makes more sense.
• 48:22
  Also
• 48:24
  known as the silver bullet.
• 48:25
  With three different color body panels.
• 48:27
  I try not to touch my phone when I'm driving.
• 48:29
  Now it's like, just as a principal, but when I was like 16, 17 years old, I'd be
• 48:34
  damned if I didn't have my 150 page CD book and I'm sitting there 50 miles an
• 48:38
  hour, 70 miles an hour, flipping through trying to find a perfect CD because in
• 48:42
  my head, there's one song that I want to listen to at this exact moment.
• 48:46
  And I got to find that fucking CD.
• 48:49
  Yep.
• 48:49
  We've, we've all done it.
• 48:50
  It started with like the 16 from the, the, the, the flip the visor
• 48:53
  down and start looking through it.
• 48:55
  And Rob, to the, to the visor CD holders, I used to do autocrossing
• 48:59
  with Eric back just after high school.
• 49:01
  And I had one up one day and forgot to take it out of the car.
• 49:04
  And sure enough, I'm like, wait a minute, where are my CDs go?
• 49:07
  And then like cars are spinning around the autocross track
• 49:10
  because they're slipping on them.
• 49:12
  I lost, uh, Rock La Familia, the Jay Z album because of that.
• 49:17
  Yes, I got that memories, Brad.
• 49:18
  Not man.
• 49:19
  I got books of those things all over the house.
• 49:21
  I refuse to get rid of them.
• 49:22
  I still have them.
• 49:23
  Yeah.
• 49:24
  I'm going to be in
• 49:24
  the
• 49:24
  Smithsonian soon.
• 49:26
  Just in case.
• 49:27
  So let me ask this question since we're kind of going there and we've
• 49:30
  touched on it a few times, what do you guys think just stock out of the
• 49:33
  box without manipulating the system?
• 49:35
  What car had the best.
• 49:37
  Audio system or stereo system from the factory
• 49:40
  because we owned or just the car or car you
• 49:43
  rental turd somebody else's car you got in you went, wow, this is a
• 49:47
  really good stereo system for stock.
• 49:49
  I think mine would be, you know, some of the Lexus systems.
• 49:52
  They were, they were pretty nice.
• 49:53
  I was about to say, I think that
• 49:54
  was the transition when the Japanese cars started really doing it.
• 49:56
  You know, my, my mom bought a Mazda back when I was in high school
• 49:59
  and it was just out of the box.
• 50:01
  It sounded pretty, I mean, you know, relative today, I'm sure we'd
• 50:03
  laugh at it, but at the time it was like, Whoa, this was a step up from,
• 50:07
  you know, Ford and everybody else.
• 50:08
  It was kind of doing their thing.
• 50:09
  They seemed like Japanese cars kind of came out at the first.
• 50:12
  I remember mid to late nineties was when they started really improving stereos
• 50:15
  in general with cars prior to that.
• 50:17
  But if you went over halfway, it was all static, being cracking, couldn't put
• 50:20
  no bass to without blowing a speaker.
• 50:22
  Like GM did in the mid nineties, when they released the Impala, they
• 50:27
  had a Bose stereo system, which was huge at that time, you know, because
• 50:30
  they partnered with a big stereo company and it sounded great for the
• 50:34
  few of them that I was ever around.
• 50:35
  No highs, no lows.
• 50:36
  It must be Bose.
• 50:37
  I mean, Bose and Harman Kardon were the two first that actually
• 50:39
  sort of jumped into that frame.
• 50:41
  I mean, like my Miata had a Bose system.
• 50:45
  I will say the, the Volkswagen Mark four is with the monsoon system.
• 50:48
  I mean, that was.
• 50:49
  For, for being just a stock system with a small, no, no, no.
• 50:53
  This is pre pre fender pre fender.
• 50:55
  Right.
• 50:55
  This is the, the monsoon system with like a stock, like a little mini amp,
• 51:00
  you know, power, the four speakers or whatever, they had the separate tweeters
• 51:03
  and everything that was actually a pretty good system for, uh, you know,
• 51:06
  a 20 year old kid buying his first car.
• 51:08
  Uh, and then I, my father.
• 51:10
  You know, used to buy vehicles back in the day you could buy without a stereo.
• 51:14
  He specifically bought the base model without the stereo so he could
• 51:17
  put his own stuff in because he knew the stuff that was coming out
• 51:20
  of the factory was complete trash.
• 51:22
  But Rob, to your point, you know, with, uh, the Bose and the, and the Harman
• 51:26
  Kardon, I mean, Alpine and Pioneer were putting stuff in cars too, but
• 51:30
  they weren't, they weren't labeling, they weren't putting their name on it.
• 51:32
  But they had contracts with some of the manufacturers.
• 51:34
  The first five head units I installed were all Alpine.
• 51:38
  I mean, they were sort of like the name of high quality, what you wanted to put
• 51:42
  into your, when you were replacing stock crap, you put in an Alpine head unit.
• 51:46
  Like the wiring was clearer, the damping it had when they first
• 51:49
  started putting CDs and such.
• 51:51
  That was the brand that you swapped in first was Alpine for everything.
• 51:55
  Like my dad's you have 87 Vanagon, whatever, which had the best area
• 52:00
  we've ever put in it because you had all that space under the seats.
• 52:02
  We put in like two bazooka tubes and we updated the inside two
• 52:06
  tubes under the back seat, there were smaller self contained ones.
• 52:09
  We had a separate amp running a set of Cambridge speakers, studio monitor
• 52:12
  speakers that were in the back, hanging up as well as in the doors and the dash.
• 52:17
  And so like our Vanagon had phenomenal sound, but it was the The Alpine head
• 52:22
  unit will always started all that stuff.
• 52:24
  You got rid of the stock Blaupunkt that they had been using for like 30 years.
• 52:28
  I mean, what's wrong with you?
• 52:29
  So the 87 did not have the Blaupunkt.
• 52:31
  It had a different one.
• 52:32
  Up to 86, they did.
• 52:33
  The 87, uh, the GL Syncros did not use the Blaupunkt.
• 52:36
  They used a different one.
• 52:37
  So I got to say, I don't remember about yours, Brad, because it was two years
• 52:41
  older than mine, but I think the stereo in the Grand Cherokee is really good.
• 52:45
  Because of the position of the speakers, it does a really good
• 52:48
  job of doing surround sound because just the overall shape of it.
• 52:52
  It's center speaker too.
• 52:54
  Correct.
• 52:54
  The dash.
• 52:55
  Correct.
• 52:55
  And I think of all the cars I've owned and I've been in, I still think my Jeep
• 53:00
  has got the best stereo out of everything.
• 53:02
  Some trashy cars, though, but then again, I only, I only need so much quality for
• 53:06
  NPR, right?
• 53:07
  I'm just saying it's true.
• 53:09
  How much quality, how much base and travel and, you know, you good mid
• 53:13
  range, you need for sweaty balls,
• 53:14
  sweaty balls, sweaty
• 53:16
  balls.
• 53:16
  A lot of the, like, I mean, a lot of the more recent good speakers is just.
• 53:21
  A factor of like the NVH being better, right?
• 53:24
  Like I had a rental six month old Jaguar and just because it was so
• 53:28
  insulated, the stereo sounded great.
• 53:30
  And the stereo wasn't necessarily a great stereo.
• 53:32
  It's just, you're so isolated in that box.
• 53:34
  Volvo is one of those cars where like, when you're at the auto show, you
• 53:37
  close the door in the Volvo and you're no longer at the auto show, right?
• 53:40
  You're in your little private vault that you can hear a pin drop in.
• 53:43
  And so I feel like.
• 53:44
  The stock stereo and those things must sound pretty good.
• 53:46
  Cause you're so isolated that you don't need lots of volume.
• 53:50
  You don't need big speakers.
• 53:51
  You don't need crazy equalizers.
• 53:53
  It's just going to sound clean coming out.
• 53:56
  And I, so I think like, that's what's happening a lot more in
• 53:58
  the more recent stuff, right?
• 54:00
  Like I don't care how much money you put into stereo, your Jeep Wrangler
• 54:04
  soft top is never going to sound half as good as a cheap ass Volvo,
• 54:08
  just because that isolation piece.
• 54:11
  Now, granted, you might have a better time in the Jeep with the top down
• 54:13
  and that stupid soundbar blasting your music out in the way to the
• 54:16
  beach with the windshield folded down.
• 54:18
  Daisy Dukes.
• 54:18
  You got that Daisy Dukes on, she's got them Daisy Dukes.
• 54:22
  But in terms
• 54:24
  of, in terms of the quality of the sound coming out of it, I
• 54:27
  mean, it's, it's probably that.
• 54:28
  I mean, if, like, I haven't been in one, but there's a few of those.
• 54:31
  I think BMW has got a couple.
• 54:33
  I want to say Bentley does too, where they have, uh, the BMW
• 54:36
  speaker setups and those things.
• 54:37
  They are putting better quality speakers in too.
• 54:40
  I mean, the, the Wolfers aren't made of paper anymore.
• 54:42
  Yeah.
• 54:42
  Yeah.
• 54:43
  They're actually hilarious now.
• 54:45
  The number of times you went to pull out a speaker and you were like this.
• 54:48
  This was the speaker in a car that I paid for it.
• 54:50
  Like from like thousands
• 54:52
  of dollars for it.
• 54:53
  Yeah.
• 54:53
  Somebody was new and like, this was the cone.
• 54:56
  Like this is the material, the cone of their speaker.
• 54:59
  Like
• 54:59
  for those listening, he was holding up a napkin.
• 55:01
  I would know for those that were listening, he was like, what was that?
• 55:05
  It was a napkin people.
• 55:06
  I just wanted to clarify that.
• 55:07
  Well, other than
• 55:07
  that, Rob, that was a stock speaker from a 1987 Volkswagen G L shut up
• 55:16
  replacing head units.
• 55:18
  Back then it wasn't cheap.
• 55:19
  You had to save up, especially a high school kid.
• 55:22
  You got to save up money to buy a lot of the stuff.
• 55:24
  I remember buying my first CD player at Union and I was so excited to get
• 55:28
  it, put it in the car where I live at.
• 55:30
  Isn't the smoothest roads.
• 55:32
  So I'm driving these roads and everything.
• 55:34
  And all of a sudden the CD starts skipping and I'm like, what the hell?
• 55:37
  That was the most disappointing, exciting purchase I ever made.
• 55:40
  I
• 55:42
  will say riding around with my dad one day he did have an eight track player in
• 55:45
  his vehicle and it's a good thing that the eight track player wasn't secure in
• 55:49
  the car itself because we're riding down the road listening to the eight track, you
• 55:53
  know, for about half of the song and then it stops starts eating the eight track
• 55:57
  you literally just grabs the eight track.
• 55:59
  The stereo, everything, it just tosses it out the window.
• 56:05
  And then we just drive on to the next, I guess it was circuit
• 56:08
  city at the time or whatever.
• 56:09
  And we get a new stereo to replace it, but yeah.
• 56:11
  This weird juxtaposition of car audio and stereo stuff, as Brad just brought up
• 56:17
  with circuit city, which became CarMax.
• 56:21
  Mind blown right there.
• 56:22
  Right.
• 56:22
  But we can, we can readdress that.
• 56:23
  Let's go back to Pete in the studio.
• 56:28
  I want to tell everybody here, first of all, I appreciate everybody's input
• 56:31
  regarding car stereo, but I think you're all wrong on a lot of levels and I'll
• 56:35
  tell you what happened in 1976 Chrysler came out with the integrated CB radio, AM,
• 56:43
  FM stereo in the town and country wagon.
• 56:46
  How do I know this?
• 56:47
  Because I owned one and I'm telling you right now that put all of
• 56:51
  your so called hi fi systems.
• 56:55
  I was using hand closed listeners hi fi systems to shame.
• 56:58
  So I think that was the pinnacle of stereo design.
• 57:02
  I think we are on the downward slide of audiophile ism, if I can call it that.
• 57:07
  Well, then that brings up one question.
• 57:09
  What would your CB handle?
• 57:10
  I can't.
• 57:10
  It's not safe.
• 57:11
  It was Love Muffin.
• 57:14
  Let the record show he froze for
• 57:16
  a moment there.
• 57:17
  He almost told us people.
• 57:19
  I froze because I couldn't get that effing CB radio to work.
• 57:24
  Just talking to yourself.
• 57:27
  His handle was, is this fucking thing on?
• 57:30
  That was his handle.
• 57:31
  So true story, I'm gonna piggyback off of this.
• 57:34
  And it wasn't a CB.
• 57:35
  So in the early days of us going to the track, you know, blasting
• 57:38
  music, having fun trailers were caravan and where we're going.
• 57:42
  We, and we still do this.
• 57:43
  We take walkie talkie so we can talk to each other.
• 57:45
  So we don't have to have an open conference call or anything like that.
• 57:48
  So I'm riding down with a buddy.
• 57:49
  We're going to V.
• 57:50
  I.
• 57:50
  R.
• 57:50
  We got walkie talkies and we're talking back and forth and we're having fun.
• 57:53
  We figure we're on a private channel, whatever.
• 57:55
  So his truck was white.
• 57:57
  Mine was red.
• 57:58
  So I kept saying, I'm little red riding hood.
• 58:00
  And he was, he was snow white or something like that.
• 58:03
  And so we're going back and forth.
• 58:04
  And then suddenly it's like, Hey, Hey, snow white.
• 58:07
  Can you hear me?
• 58:07
  Is this red riding hood, blah, blah, blah.
• 58:09
  And this guy goes, he comes on and he goes, it's the big bad wolf.
• 58:16
  Somebody completely different and we're like, new channel, new channel.
• 58:21
  I like how Bradley, that story was coming.
• 58:23
  It was doubled over by the way.
• 58:24
  Halfway through that story.
• 58:25
  Yes.
• 58:25
  I know that story.
• 58:26
  And by the way, I hate the whole like walkie talkie thing because they're
• 58:29
  trying to talk to me the whole time, all the way up to Watkins Glen.
• 58:32
  And I'm just like, God damn it.
• 58:33
  I don't want to listen to you.
• 58:34
  I'm gonna listen to my music.
• 58:35
  Leave me the fuck alone.
• 58:36
  Well, I wait, does Eric have separation anxiety?
• 58:39
  I think so.
• 58:40
  I mean, is that why he needs to have the, to talk to people all the time?
• 58:43
  But
• 58:43
  he does, he doesn't actually need to talk to people.
• 58:45
  Cause like I said, 12 hours to Kentucky, not a word was said the whole time.
• 58:50
  All you heard was this V8 screaming across the continental
• 58:55
  divide for most of the trip.
• 58:57
  This
• 58:57
  is a four speed automatic with a six liter, 400 horsepower V8.
• 59:03
  And
• 59:03
  it was awesome.
• 59:05
  And after that trip, I got rid of that truck.
• 59:10
  But here's the thing during that trip, how much road noise was
• 59:12
  there to where could you even carry it a conversation and heard, Oh,
• 59:15
  no, it was fine.
• 59:16
  It was just, it was a weird day.
• 59:18
  It was just like, we're not listening to anything because your options
• 59:21
  at that point on the road, you couldn't get NPR and you couldn't
• 59:25
  even get the gospel channels.
• 59:26
  Like, you know, I was like, I'll listen to anything at this point.
• 59:31
  And it was like, there's just nothing.
• 59:32
  So we're like, turn it off.
• 59:34
  And Brad's a quiet guy and I'm just like, well, I'm not going to talk to myself.
• 59:37
  So we just drove and drove, drove forever.
• 59:42
  Little story about lack of music in cars.
• 59:45
  So while I was in the military, God station, Wichita falls.
• 59:48
  For our, uh, training school, we weren't supposed to have
• 59:51
  vehicles while we were there.
• 59:53
  One of the guys in my class snuck out, bought a car and kept it parked off base.
• 59:56
  So when we'd walk off base, we'd go hop in the car and drive down to town.
• 59:59
  A 72 or 73 two door Nova.
• 1:00:01
  It didn't have a radio.
• 1:00:03
  I don't know who decided at one time, but we're driving down into
• 1:00:05
  town and someone starts singing.
• 1:00:07
  We all live in the yellow submarine by the Beatles.
• 1:00:09
  So we all just chime in, start singing it.
• 1:00:11
  And he like Chantel was getting pissed because he hated it.
• 1:00:15
  And so after that, every time we got in that car, we just start singing.
• 1:00:17
  We all live in the yellow submarine.
• 1:00:19
  It would just drive him nuts,
• 1:00:20
  dude.
• 1:00:20
  That's like singing that Sherry Lewis song, the song that never ends.
• 1:00:24
  It's like, Holy crap.
• 1:00:27
  That's one of those songs that that's one of those songs that
• 1:00:29
  lights me up in the wrong way.
• 1:00:31
  I mean, you start singing stuff like that.
• 1:00:32
  Ooh, that's my kids in old town road.
• 1:00:36
  Yeah, right.
• 1:00:36
  Oh,
• 1:00:36
  my God.
• 1:00:37
  That song for me is it's a small world.
• 1:00:40
  Don't ever go to Disney and go on that ride because it's nonstop and you can't
• 1:00:44
  get it out of your head afterwards.
• 1:00:45
  So.
• 1:00:46
  For a week at Disney.
• 1:00:47
  That's all I heard in my,
• 1:00:48
  dude, you want to torture me, put me in a Citroen DS and then play that song.
• 1:00:53
  And I will go berserk.
• 1:00:55
  Okay.
• 1:00:57
  But no, it's not
• 1:00:58
  a violent man, but you know, he'll kill somebody in that situation.
• 1:01:01
  That's like
• 1:01:02
  a cat locked in a closet right there.
• 1:01:04
  As we're all talking similarly, and this could be an age thing, which I'm curious.
• 1:01:09
  Most of us have this memory and experience and thought pattern of albums, right?
• 1:01:13
  Of like, listening to the full album.
• 1:01:15
  And a lot of us, cause you grew up with tapes or CDs where you weren't, you know,
• 1:01:18
  it's not the Spotify generation where here's my playlist or here's Pandora,
• 1:01:22
  or here's my iPod on shuffle, right?
• 1:01:24
  It's, it's, I want to listen to a whole album.
• 1:01:26
  I think Donovan mentioned it.
• 1:01:27
  We're like, It's almost a comfort factor, right?
• 1:01:30
  I know what the next song is.
• 1:01:31
  Your brain leads you to the next song and you sort of have that
• 1:01:34
  anticipation of like, as this goes, I'm going to flow into this.
• 1:01:37
  I'm going to flow into that.
• 1:01:38
  I'm going to flow into that.
• 1:01:39
  I wonder if we were having this conversation with a bunch of our
• 1:01:43
  22 year old members or whatever.
• 1:01:44
  And at the younger generation, if they're like, if that would
• 1:01:47
  be a detached thought to them.
• 1:01:48
  And it was much more of like, No, I put on, as you said, my trance station.
• 1:01:53
  I put on my 80s rock station.
• 1:01:54
  I just see what comes on.
• 1:01:55
  And just that, that juxtaposition between those two aspects I'm curious about.
• 1:01:59
  Exactly.
• 1:01:59
  And to your point, I think albums were also curated.
• 1:02:02
  And now it's just this randomization of like, okay, one minute we're
• 1:02:06
  listening to K pop next minute.
• 1:02:08
  It's Iron Maiden.
• 1:02:09
  And the next minute it's, you know, classic bebop from the fifties
• 1:02:12
  and you're all over the map.
• 1:02:13
  And I think you're, you're right.
• 1:02:14
  It's generational because if you look at how people use technology
• 1:02:18
  nowadays, it's the same, we're jumping from app to app, we're moving around
• 1:02:21
  like never, nobody ever slows down to just kind of sit and appreciate it.
• 1:02:25
  And I think that's also what's lost in driving now too, is that appreciation
• 1:02:29
  for the long road that we take.
• 1:02:31
  That's going, God knows where it's not about the destination.
• 1:02:35
  It's about the journey and what you make of it.
• 1:02:37
  And so that's always resonated with me.
• 1:02:39
  And, and I think with Brad as well, and that's what we're
• 1:02:41
  really talking about here.
• 1:02:43
  That's something that an album does.
• 1:02:45
  So you're like, like a long road and it's a journey and everything.
• 1:02:47
  And you got to enjoy that.
• 1:02:49
  A well put together album is a complete thought or a complete concept.
• 1:02:53
  Even if it's not a concept album, like the, the musicians were in a certain
• 1:02:58
  headspace when they put that together.
• 1:03:00
  And it's when it's produced well, and it's put together well, and the tracks
• 1:03:03
  are in the right order and everything, it's, it tells a story, whether they meant
• 1:03:07
  to or not, it tells a complete story or thought, which helps you get through, you
• 1:03:11
  know, whatever journey you're on in the
• 1:03:12
  car.
• 1:03:13
  Do you think that has anything to do with, you know, so many kids now
• 1:03:16
  don't really care to drive so much, where, you know, you wonder how much
• 1:03:20
  that is the experience in the car.
• 1:03:22
  For us, you know, you got in the car, you turn the music on and again,
• 1:03:24
  you were in a headspace, right?
• 1:03:25
  It wasn't, I'm just going, you know, wherever.
• 1:03:28
  And now maybe, maybe that's part of it.
• 1:03:30
  Maybe it's so sporadic that you're not getting the emotional attachment
• 1:03:34
  because you know how it is.
• 1:03:35
  I mean, especially on old albums like that, you know, where you're coming to
• 1:03:38
  song two, and maybe it makes you think about, um, That girl you dated in high
• 1:03:42
  school, or maybe it makes you think about the summer trip or something.
• 1:03:45
  And, you know, if you're not having that experience and you're not in a
• 1:03:47
  car, there's no association there.
• 1:03:49
  So maybe there's an emotional detachment these days with
• 1:03:53
  technology has changed that a lot.
• 1:03:56
  When we were younger, if we got into the car to go on a long trip, we might've been
• 1:04:01
  lucky to have like a second game gear or a game boy or something, but the batteries
• 1:04:05
  always died within like a half hour trip.
• 1:04:08
  So then you stuck with them to the radio.
• 1:04:10
  And like nowadays, like the technology for the batteries and stuff, so
• 1:04:13
  much longer kids can sit there and watch movies on their phones or
• 1:04:16
  tablets or stuff like that, where.
• 1:04:18
  The entertainment possibilities they have far exceeds anything
• 1:04:21
  we ever had growing up.
• 1:04:23
  I was so excited when I got my driver's license because I needed
• 1:04:27
  to escape the house, right?
• 1:04:29
  I needed to escape whatever was going on, right?
• 1:04:32
  To have that car provided mobility to go and do All these different things.
• 1:04:38
  And it touches upon, you know, the newer generation, they don't want to drive.
• 1:04:41
  And maybe because technology is already providing them that certain
• 1:04:45
  level of escapism where they don't need to have this very visceral,
• 1:04:49
  alive experience of driving.
• 1:04:51
  And it's a little bit interesting to hear about everybody's music choices.
• 1:04:54
  And I'm not saying I'm the oldest guy here, but.
• 1:04:56
  Although I may be the oldest guy here, you know, it's interesting to
• 1:04:59
  listen to these music choices because when I was growing up, AM radio was
• 1:05:04
  being surpassed by FM radio, right?
• 1:05:06
  So it's just, you know, I've seen this huge movement of
• 1:05:10
  music through different mediums.
• 1:05:12
  I guess I'm not sure where this is heading, but I think we're For me in
• 1:05:16
  driving, whether competitively or not, or just getting out has provided me
• 1:05:20
  this escapism and the music is that soundtrack to that escapism, right?
• 1:05:24
  And it is that soundtrack that puts me somewhere else.
• 1:05:29
  And we also touched upon this earlier.
• 1:05:31
  There's two phases, right?
• 1:05:32
  There's the amped up phase or it's in the filling in the void in the background.
• 1:05:36
  I love albums like 2112 by rush or any yes album in the background.
• 1:05:42
  Even the doors are a great evening.
• 1:05:44
  Music, right.
• 1:05:45
  When I'm driving out and listening to like the door's greatest hits or
• 1:05:48
  LA woman or, or, you know, writers on the storm in the end, you know,
• 1:05:51
  those are great things to listen to, but it really just wanted to make a
• 1:05:55
  comment about, about escapism, right.
• 1:05:57
  And what car is provided in the soundtrack that music.
• 1:06:00
  Provides to that.
• 1:06:01
  I think you're right.
• 1:06:02
  And I think Dan touched on something too, talking about like what the driving
• 1:06:05
  experience was for us as a child in the car, because I'm thinking back now, as
• 1:06:10
  I'm listening to you guys talk about escapism in that I can't count the
• 1:06:14
  number of times that I caught myself kind of staring out the window from the
• 1:06:19
  backseat of a Scirocco and, you know, daydreaming about something, right.
• 1:06:23
  And I often wonder like my kids, like they got screens everywhere and school is all
• 1:06:27
  different and all these kinds of things.
• 1:06:29
  And I'm like, Is there a moment where they just kind of stare out the
• 1:06:32
  window and daydream about something or imagine something or, or you're
• 1:06:35
  fantasized about it, but the music brings you there because just staring
• 1:06:39
  out a window, watching grass grow is, you know, super boring, let's face it.
• 1:06:43
  But the music, it just, it makes your mind start to wander and think
• 1:06:47
  about things and come up with ideas.
• 1:06:50
  And so I feel it incentivizes us to think in different ways.
• 1:06:54
  Right.
• 1:06:54
  And it's important on, on multiple levels.
• 1:06:57
  Part of that thought is also the music, whether you're doing it consciously
• 1:07:01
  or subconsciously, you're, that music into some sort of thought in your
• 1:07:06
  mind that helps you either escape or fantasize or, you know, just,
• 1:07:11
  just wander and drift and daydream.
• 1:07:13
  And the music points you into a direction, wherever your mind wants to
• 1:07:17
  take it, you know, you, you determine
• 1:07:20
  that.
• 1:07:20
  Pete mentioned the fact that getting your license, how it like changed things for
• 1:07:24
  you, in my opinion, is it gave freedom.
• 1:07:27
  Having your license was freedom.
• 1:07:28
  You could go places you couldn't before.
• 1:07:30
  You didn't have to rely on others.
• 1:07:32
  It gave you that independence.
• 1:07:33
  I don't know if kids get that feeling today because they're so connected through
• 1:07:37
  technology that there's not that rush.
• 1:07:39
  Like, hey, I gotta get into the mall to cruise up and down the strip
• 1:07:43
  on Friday night to see everybody.
• 1:07:45
  I don't think that's a thing anymore and it's disappointing.
• 1:07:47
  We'll go behind a Dairy Queen and talk about our Volkswagens.
• 1:07:50
  What you talking about?
• 1:07:51
  And speaking about that freedom, uh, for me, it wasn't just
• 1:07:55
  freedom to get out of the house.
• 1:07:57
  It was freedom to get in the car and turn up on full blast.
• 1:08:00
  The Metallica is black album for the first time without my dad and the passenger
• 1:08:03
  seat, tell me, turn that shit off
• 1:08:06
  a hundred percent on that one.
• 1:08:07
  A hundred percent.
• 1:08:08
  You had the freedom to listen to whatever you wanted to in your own private space.
• 1:08:12
  Really loud too.
• 1:08:13
  That's true.
• 1:08:14
  Yeah.
• 1:08:14
  You know, and it makes me think about, you know, and I don't, I
• 1:08:16
  don't think it's just kids, right?
• 1:08:17
  Right.
• 1:08:17
  You know, my, my wife.
• 1:08:19
  I, I kid her about that too, about being buried in her phone or something,
• 1:08:22
  you know, in the car, or we'd gone to Europe for some, she'd been over
• 1:08:26
  there, you know, we're, we're traveling through, we're driving to Paris
• 1:08:29
  and it's just amazing countryside.
• 1:08:32
  She's reading the book, but I'm like, you know what, this is
• 1:08:34
  probably the time to just let your mind go, you know what I mean?
• 1:08:37
  And really just have those thoughts.
• 1:08:39
  And it makes me think about when I was a kid, I think the first time that
• 1:08:41
  I realized that my parents put me on a bus and I was heading up to West
• 1:08:45
  Virginia to visit some family and.
• 1:08:48
  Russia's Presto just come out and, you know, on a bus, you know, it
• 1:08:51
  was a seven hour trip, but on the bus, it was 16 hours or something.
• 1:08:55
  So, you know, I had my cassette and I'm just listening to that
• 1:08:56
  thing over and over and over.
• 1:08:58
  But I remember looking out the window and, you know, taking roads that were
• 1:09:00
  not interstate and your, your mind just, just kind of goes, you know, just
• 1:09:04
  kind of, it kind of wanders, but to me, you know, it is an escape and I think
• 1:09:08
  it's therapy, you know, there was about a year ago or so, maybe it was about
• 1:09:11
  two years ago, I was really wound up.
• 1:09:14
  I mean, to the point where.
• 1:09:15
  You know, I don't think I was going to have a breakdown or anything like that.
• 1:09:18
  It wasn't that kind of thing, but I was just super stressed and just really
• 1:09:21
  just kind of, you know, tightly wound.
• 1:09:23
  And I told my wife, Hey, listen, I'm getting in the car.
• 1:09:25
  I had the E28 M5 had just gotten it.
• 1:09:27
  And I said, I'm getting in the car.
• 1:09:28
  I'm leaving.
• 1:09:29
  I don't know where I'm going.
• 1:09:30
  I don't know when I'm coming back.
• 1:09:31
  I mean, I wasn't going to be gone for days, but I was going
• 1:09:32
  to go out for a couple hours.
• 1:09:33
  I took off and the first thing I did is plugged in my phone, put on some, you
• 1:09:37
  know, some good music and took off and coincidentally found one of the mountain
• 1:09:40
  roads that we drive today just by just going, you know, and that kind of sense
• 1:09:43
  of direction of I'm going to go this way.
• 1:09:45
  I'm gonna go that way.
• 1:09:46
  And I think the combination of the mountain roads and that music and just
• 1:09:51
  the escapism, you know, and that therapy was, was really good for me, you know,
• 1:09:54
  and it really did kind of reset my, you know, my batteries a little bit.
• 1:09:56
  And so I think there's that, but again, you know, I, I, Maybe
• 1:09:59
  it's because we grew up that way.
• 1:10:01
  You know, it was always the association of the car is freedom.
• 1:10:03
  And the car is, you know, it's just us.
• 1:10:05
  We go anywhere.
• 1:10:06
  Really.
• 1:10:06
  You're connected really anywhere, you know, short of the
• 1:10:09
  oceans and things you can go.
• 1:10:10
  Yeah.
• 1:10:10
  And you mentioned that, that therapy and you can't really see it cause it's
• 1:10:14
  cut off, but in the picture behind me, the guitar pick has a quote that says
• 1:10:18
  music is what feelings sound like.
• 1:10:20
  I mean, I'm a quiet guy, as Eric alluded to earlier.
• 1:10:23
  You may not be able to tell from the podcast, but I'm a
• 1:10:25
  pretty quiet, reserved, shy guy.
• 1:10:27
  And it's hard to express my feelings sometimes.
• 1:10:29
  So like using music to just help me, I guess, get my feelings out.
• 1:10:34
  Yeah.
• 1:10:35
  I'm starting to tear up now.
• 1:10:36
  Whatever.
• 1:10:37
  I see you laughing, Eric.
• 1:10:38
  Um, but yeah, it's, it's just a way to, to feel it.
• 1:10:42
  It's a way to, to express myself and how I'm feeling at that moment.
• 1:10:46
  Brad's a hugger.
• 1:10:47
  Brad's a
• 1:10:47
  hugger.
• 1:10:48
  I give great bear hugs being, you know, six, four, 300 pounds.
• 1:10:52
  So Donovan, you were saying how on your bus trip, you had your cassette,
• 1:10:56
  you know, your Walkman or whatever.
• 1:10:58
  I remember back that age that I'd have a cassette in and be listening
• 1:11:03
  to it for hours and I'll send the batteries and start to die.
• 1:11:06
  And like if there were songs that had fast lyrics.
• 1:11:09
  That was the easiest way for me to learn it, because as it got slower,
• 1:11:12
  I could learn the lyrics that way, if they were to a really fast paced song.
• 1:11:16
  Hit the stop button, wait like an hour or so, and
• 1:11:19
  push
• 1:11:20
  play to listen to another five minutes of music, really slow.
• 1:11:27
  That was the way we got by.
• 1:11:29
  So that slow cassette story that Dan told explains why he speaks the way he does.
• 1:11:34
  I get it now.
• 1:11:35
  It makes 100 percent sense.
• 1:11:36
  It also explains why he talks fast sometimes and then he
• 1:11:39
  starts to slow down.
• 1:11:41
  That's my blood sugar.
• 1:11:44
  The batteries are wearing low.
• 1:11:47
  Discharge him.
• 1:11:48
  Fill him with diesel.
• 1:11:49
  So I think we, I think we've, we've nailed this one, but I got
• 1:11:52
  a question to throw out there.
• 1:11:53
  Okay.
• 1:11:54
  There are certain cars.
• 1:11:55
  When you look at them and you go, that's the perfect music video car.
• 1:12:00
  What is that for?
• 1:12:02
  What kind of music?
• 1:12:03
  It doesn't matter.
• 1:12:04
  You just look at it.
• 1:12:04
  You go,
• 1:12:05
  that would be perfect in a music video, whatever it is.
• 1:12:08
  It has to have a long hood.
• 1:12:09
  So the blonde can crawl across to the fan blowing on her and
• 1:12:12
  her whipping her hair back.
• 1:12:14
  Can
• 1:12:15
  roll around on the hood.
• 1:12:16
  That's because the hard part about answering that is the, is how different
• 1:12:18
  musicians have used cars in their music videos and stuff historically.
• 1:12:22
  Right?
• 1:12:22
  Like I remember.
• 1:12:24
  You know, when I was first back in the days of downloading top gear episodes,
• 1:12:27
  you know, through whatever that website was that we all had to grab the torrents
• 1:12:30
  from, uh, and I remember like when they had JK on and JK was, was, it's huge
• 1:12:35
  into cars and he would be like, Oh, I chose this car for this Jamiroquai video
• 1:12:39
  because it's the one I had just bought.
• 1:12:41
  And.
• 1:12:42
  It's like every Jamiroquai video is strongly based in automotive stuff.
• 1:12:46
  And right.
• 1:12:47
  And so there's certain cars I see that fit that vein.
• 1:12:50
  Right.
• 1:12:50
  So I'll see a car and I'll be like, that belongs in a Motley Crue video.
• 1:12:53
  That belongs in a Jamiroquai video that belongs in this video.
• 1:12:57
  And like, at least Clara has like a 900 horsepower hot rod, you know, sort of.
• 1:13:01
  thing.
• 1:13:02
  And I see what I like.
• 1:13:03
  I see his car.
• 1:13:03
  My brain thinks that the stuff that he's been in.
• 1:13:05
  And so like, it's hard to detach that from like seeing some 80s car and being
• 1:13:09
  like, Oh, there's an 80s band that screams 80s that we belong there because
• 1:13:13
  every car that I see is attached to some bit of history or story in my head of
• 1:13:17
  when I've seen that, you know, beyond just, Oh, it's grateful that it's a
• 1:13:20
  Volkswagen bus or whatever it might be.
• 1:13:22
  But all those different artists that, you know, uh, Especially they've been guests
• 1:13:26
  on top gears because you see them and you get to hear their whole car history.
• 1:13:29
  As you watch that show, you get to see exactly what they're,
• 1:13:31
  what they've had along the way.
• 1:13:33
  And I begin to associate that with that, making it harder to sort of
• 1:13:37
  separate that knowledge, if you will, from, from answering that.
• 1:13:40
  Third Gen F Body is the correct answer for any music video.
• 1:13:44
  Third Gen, F Body.
• 1:13:46
  I was gonna say Fiero.
• 1:13:48
  I I knew it.
• 1:13:48
  I knew it.
• 1:13:49
  I knew you were gonna say that.
• 1:13:51
  Pon
• 1:13:52
  say H
• 1:13:53
  hr.
• 1:13:53
  I was doing a walk because we can't drive anywhere really.
• 1:13:56
  I started.
• 1:13:57
  Walking around, listening to music, like just walking around the city
• 1:13:59
  doing seven, eight mile walks.
• 1:14:01
  And sorrowfully it was dark.
• 1:14:02
  I wish I could have got it a better picture of it.
• 1:14:04
  There was a mint Fiero parked on the side of the road on East
• 1:14:08
  Capitol street, like literally mint.
• 1:14:11
  I don't know if I could see if I can't, there's no such
• 1:14:13
  thing as a mint Fiero.
• 1:14:14
  They all came from the factory.
• 1:14:16
  This is like with the flash on the back of mine, but it was just.
• 1:14:19
  I literally stopped in my tracks and I walked by and I turned the music off.
• 1:14:24
  I had to stop the music so I could focus on what I was seeing.
• 1:14:27
  And some person walking, the dog walked by me.
• 1:14:29
  They're like, are you okay?
• 1:14:31
  And I was like, do you know what this is?
• 1:14:32
  And they're like, you have a good night, sir.
• 1:14:35
  They sort of walked away from me.
• 1:14:36
  I
• 1:14:37
  was floored at the fact that I was seeing this.
• 1:14:40
  Beautiful Fiera there.
• 1:14:41
  It's kind of awesome.
• 1:14:42
  Uh, you know, I'm really kind of ruined by all the rap videos, man.
• 1:14:45
  I automatically went to like the Bentleys and the Lambos and all that stuff.
• 1:14:49
  So I don't know.
• 1:14:50
  I mean, you know, other than that, I think like the, you know, the hot rods
• 1:14:54
  and stuff back in the eighties days, what things easy top kind of thing
• 1:14:57
  is, is kind of where I go with that.
• 1:14:58
  The big hair and the,
• 1:14:59
  all right.
• 1:15:00
  So switching gears,
• 1:15:02
  there is one car though.
• 1:15:03
  I think we can all agree on there's one that you look at it.
• 1:15:07
  And you could say, yes, that belongs in a music video, every music video.
• 1:15:11
  And I, and it's not the F body by GM.
• 1:15:14
  And it's not the little red Corvette.
• 1:15:16
  No.
• 1:15:17
  All right.
• 1:15:17
  Ready?
• 1:15:19
  Lamborghini Countach.
• 1:15:21
  I would have said Diablo.
• 1:15:23
  Got to go.
• 1:15:24
  Countach is the ultimate music video car.
• 1:15:27
  It just screams.
• 1:15:28
  It doesn't matter what kind of music you put with it.
• 1:15:31
  It could be in any music video.
• 1:15:32
  It could be in a classical music video if you wanted to be.
• 1:15:35
  And you know what re cemented it for me?
• 1:15:38
  Was when I watched, and if you guys haven't seen it, go look it up.
• 1:15:42
  Hasselhoff, True Survivor, which is the soundtrack to Kunk Fury.
• 1:15:47
  Dude, he's got a kuntosh.
• 1:15:48
  And it's legit.
• 1:15:49
  I mean, it is awesome.
• 1:15:51
  That's the pinnacle.
• 1:15:52
  I mean, I don't know.
• 1:15:54
  You know, Donovan, I think the runner up to the Countach and it really links back
• 1:15:59
  to you is a 63 split window Corvette.
• 1:16:02
  That'd be a good one.
• 1:16:03
  There's lots of curves and places to sit ladies on too.
• 1:16:08
  Switching gears here.
• 1:16:08
  I've got an interesting, what I think is an interesting question.
• 1:16:11
  What's the best car decade and the best music decade?
• 1:16:15
  And do they overlap?
• 1:16:16
  I gotta lean towards the 70s on that.
• 1:16:18
  For both?
• 1:16:19
  Or for one?
• 1:16:19
  Or for which one?
• 1:16:20
  If it has to be one decade that covers both sufficiently, I'd say the 70s.
• 1:16:24
  At least early 70s, you still had your muscle cars, you had some good
• 1:16:27
  rock, so I'd say they had good cars and good music during that time.
• 1:16:31
  That's not a bad answer.
• 1:16:32
  I feel like the 80s are slightly better, but again, I think
• 1:16:35
  that's tainted by my age.
• 1:16:37
  Right.
• 1:16:37
  So in the eighties is where you first started getting the tester
• 1:16:40
  roses, the TTAs, the nine 50 nines, like that stuff started going crazy.
• 1:16:44
  And the
• 1:16:44
  hairbands and, and the,
• 1:16:46
  the hairbands.
• 1:16:46
  You could get metal hairbands, you could get more of the pop
• 1:16:49
  stuff, you could get , the Euro,
• 1:16:50
  trash, the techno, hip
• 1:16:52
  hop.
• 1:16:52
  Hip hop was actually starting all like the major Snoops and everything, all
• 1:16:54
  that stuff was coming into, into play.
• 1:16:57
  So you got a pretty good range of stuff, but that could
• 1:16:59
  easily be tainted by my age.
• 1:17:01
  Right?
• 1:17:01
  If I asked my parents, they'd be like.
• 1:17:02
  What the hell are you talking about?
• 1:17:04
  There's these, you know, amazing things in the sixties where a lot
• 1:17:07
  of these cars were just phenomenal.
• 1:17:09
  The music was out of this world.
• 1:17:11
  You know, I think with different ages, you could say different things, right?
• 1:17:13
  Somebody nowadays could be like, well, there's this amazing new bands now that
• 1:17:17
  play almost everything and you can get a, you know, Veyrons and everything else.
• 1:17:20
  I mean, like there's different, or, you know, McLaren, large, long tails.
• 1:17:23
  There's all these different options.
• 1:17:24
  I think to your point about pre seventies though, Rob is most people
• 1:17:27
  would probably gravitate to a 55 to 57 Chevy if they had to pick a car
• 1:17:32
  for that period of music so that I don't think there'd be like, Oh yeah.
• 1:17:37
  That's a, I don't know, 63, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:17:40
  And then like, you know, Ford galaxy, like nobody's going to pick that.
• 1:17:43
  You know what I mean?
• 1:17:44
  Versus to your point about the eighties, there's like aces of
• 1:17:47
  cars that you can pick from.
• 1:17:49
  Eighties are over glorified though.
• 1:17:50
  I mean, I think, you know, Rob's wrong.
• 1:17:52
  I think if you look at the shitty electronics that were out in cars, you
• 1:17:56
  know, and how they were trying to do.
• 1:17:58
  Tune port injection and do the really early versions of fuel injection
• 1:18:03
  and some of the harebrained ideas that came out of Chrysler back then.
• 1:18:06
  I mean, there were some really horrible, horrible electronics.
• 1:18:09
  And I think, you know, I'm going to side with mountain man, Dan on this and
• 1:18:13
  say that the seventies was probably.
• 1:18:15
  The purest part of Detroit, at least that came out.
• 1:18:18
  And even to a certain degree, some of the purest Japanese imports,
• 1:18:23
  the JDMs, they came in right.
• 1:18:24
  The MX three from Mazda, the Corolla GT.
• 1:18:28
  I mean, those are some amazing cars during that time frame.
• 1:18:31
  I'm not saying Rob's wrong.
• 1:18:32
  I just think that we tend to, all of us are probably going to come into this
• 1:18:35
  conversation a little bit with some, you know, rose colored tint glasses about
• 1:18:39
  what we think is the preferred era.
• 1:18:41
  But Rob's wrong, but that's fine.
• 1:18:43
  I know.
• 1:18:43
  So I
• 1:18:43
  guess, I guess Donovan's the tiebreaker.
• 1:18:45
  We got two for the eighties and two for the seventies.
• 1:18:48
  I
• 1:18:48
  think Donovan's going to say the nineties, but I want to hear
• 1:18:50
  he's all grunge.
• 1:18:51
  He's like, you know, green day and sublime, like all this
• 1:18:54
  other stuff in a Toyota Corolla.
• 1:18:56
  That looks like a suppository.
• 1:19:01
  Back and forth.
• 1:19:03
  I was going to say 80s to start with, right?
• 1:19:05
  When you think about, I mean, what's interesting music wise about the 80s
• 1:19:08
  is think where it started, right?
• 1:19:09
  It was still, still, there was a little bit of disco still around, but you had,
• 1:19:13
  you know, all of, like, the early 80s.
• 1:19:15
  It wouldn't techno them, but electronic music was still getting power.
• 1:19:18
  And then all the way to the end, when grunge and all that stuff
• 1:19:20
  was happening and the hairband stuff and the cars were amazing.
• 1:19:24
  You know, you think about like, of course the, you know, the GTI, right.
• 1:19:27
  The Mark one and all the Porsches and everything else came out, but I
• 1:19:31
  agree with you on the electronics.
• 1:19:32
  And, you know, a lot of the American stuff was garbage, but
• 1:19:34
  when you think about the seventies to great music, although I think.
• 1:19:38
  80s probably had better music completely, but when you think about the cars,
• 1:19:42
  I think that's true for the most part, except the American cars, like
• 1:19:45
  the early seventies, American cars.
• 1:19:46
  Okay.
• 1:19:47
  But you know, when you got into the whole oil crisis and all that,
• 1:19:50
  it was just garbage for a while.
• 1:19:52
  But you think about all the stuff that was coming out of Italy in
• 1:19:54
  particular, in the early seventies, just gorgeous masterpieces.
• 1:19:59
  And you think about, you know, like the early nine 11th, the
• 1:20:01
  RS and some of those other ones.
• 1:20:02
  I think that's, I don't know what the answer is.
• 1:20:05
  I'm going to, No,
• 1:20:07
  I
• 1:20:07
  could easily.
• 1:20:08
  It's your opinion.
• 1:20:08
  I
• 1:20:10
  could be swayed.
• 1:20:10
  Right.
• 1:20:10
  So I think like, he's not wrong.
• 1:20:13
  Right.
• 1:20:13
  It's a different thing.
• 1:20:14
  Like, so 73, 9, 11 RS would be agree.
• 1:20:17
  Agree.
• 1:20:18
  Agree.
• 1:20:18
  But if you had to put soundtracks with cars, let's think about
• 1:20:21
  it from that perspective.
• 1:20:22
  Okay.
• 1:20:23
  It's all
• 1:20:23
  80s destroys everything.
• 1:20:25
  I'm 100
• 1:20:25
  percent except when you talk about the Aries K car, cause I want to
• 1:20:29
  know what the soundtrack is for that.
• 1:20:31
  Right.
• 1:20:32
  But the
• 1:20:33
  sound of flatulence.
• 1:20:37
  So we'll go to Pete on that one.
• 1:20:38
  But so what I'm thinking here though, is Donovan is hit on something.
• 1:20:42
  And I've, I've always thought this is kind of a theory.
• 1:20:44
  I have that cars kind of be bald.
• 1:20:47
  At the same time music did and he hit on something really
• 1:20:50
  important, especially from the seventies through the mid nineties.
• 1:20:54
  We talk about eighties music and I'm going to harp on that just for a second.
• 1:20:58
  There's a weird period there and Pete's right.
• 1:21:00
  A lot of strong, you know, great rock and roll in the early to mid seventies.
• 1:21:05
  And then you had the disco era come in in the late 70s that carried into the
• 1:21:09
  early 80s and you get the beginning of the, like the synth era, right?
• 1:21:13
  But the synth era only lasted from 78 to 84.
• 1:21:16
  And so if you look at the cars from 78 to 84, you're like, but
• 1:21:21
  then you get this transition in 85.
• 1:21:23
  Much to Donovan's point, the GTIs and the nine 40 fours and all the, the, the Alpha
• 1:21:28
  Romes and a lot of the American cars.
• 1:21:30
  The new C four Corvette in 85, right?
• 1:21:33
  You had this transition even in the automotive world and the sound.
• 1:21:36
  If you listen to songs from 84 and then go to the billboard top of
• 1:21:40
  85, they sound completely different like the technology and music.
• 1:21:45
  Changed at the same time at the technology cars did, and that lasted
• 1:21:49
  into the early, almost mid nineties.
• 1:21:52
  Then we started to get the cab forward cars and the bubble designs
• 1:21:55
  and the music changed again, right?
• 1:21:58
  We left that techno Euro trash era that we got, you know, along with the
• 1:22:02
  import cars, and then we started to get these, you know, oval shaped Mobius.
• 1:22:06
  Marshmallows on the road, and the kind of the music went along with it, right?
• 1:22:10
  You had the, you know, you had that, uh, the growth of grunge
• 1:22:13
  and all that other kind of stuff.
• 1:22:14
  So I think there's an interesting, like, dichotomy there between the
• 1:22:17
  music and the cars over that, like, let's call it 25 year span where I
• 1:22:21
  think they were really interlocked.
• 1:22:23
  I can agree with you a lot on that, but I also want to throw in the fact that,
• 1:22:26
  for the best one, it can also depend on mood, just like music, your mood
• 1:22:30
  determines which music you're in the mood to listen to, so, like, for cars
• 1:22:34
  as well, like, I love some of the old, like, 30s and 40s and even early 50s
• 1:22:37
  cars, compared to modern stuff, because the flowing lines they had on them, I
• 1:22:41
  agree that, like, society, music, and cars all transition kind of together.
• 1:22:47
  It also begs the question, did the music, Influence the designers and
• 1:22:51
  the engineers at the time, like, is there just enough overlap there where
• 1:22:55
  it may have, you know, we're talking about daydreaming and escapism.
• 1:22:59
  Maybe those German designers, Italians, Americans are like, man,
• 1:23:02
  this music's really motivating me to come up with something
• 1:23:04
  new, you know, and so they've all
• 1:23:06
  together.
• 1:23:06
  There's definitely a truth aspect to that, right?
• 1:23:08
  I mean, every, if you think about a car designer, right, they're in the arts,
• 1:23:11
  if you will, just like music, right?
• 1:23:13
  So they're coming to the same headspace, if you will, as that
• 1:23:16
  gets refined, it keeps, you know, it keeps pace with itself, right?
• 1:23:19
  With each other.
• 1:23:20
  By the way, I just looked up like top music from the eighties and
• 1:23:22
  I am floored by how good it was.
• 1:23:24
  So I'm even more right than I was before.
• 1:23:26
  I just want to throw that out there.
• 1:23:27
  I want to say that if you're from the Miami vice generation
• 1:23:30
  too, and watching the show and how they basically soundtracked.
• 1:23:33
  The show and cars and music, you know what I mean?
• 1:23:37
  The music in the car in Miami, but for those of you that are tuning in,
• 1:23:40
  Eric is in the background laughing.
• 1:23:42
  So please disregard the host as we make more rational sense
• 1:23:46
  of this music connection, the cars, um, by the way, Miami vice.
• 1:23:51
  Best show ever next to Kit.
• 1:23:53
  I could definitely see where music and designers are influenced by each other.
• 1:23:57
  I think my vice comes to mind as, as a great example of that,
• 1:24:01
  whether I'm right or wrong,
• 1:24:02
  I, I only have one rebuttal to that Magnum Pi
• 1:24:13
  although I gotta say, you know, you look back to like some of the, the fifties
• 1:24:16
  and sixties cars and the music that was around, and when you're in your.
• 1:24:20
  V8 hot rod and the coolest music you have is some kind of Bebopping something
• 1:24:26
  that doesn't align, you know what I mean?
• 1:24:27
  Like you listen to it now and I mean skip like the little gto and
• 1:24:31
  all those kind of songs Oh, you
• 1:24:32
  had the beach boys.
• 1:24:33
  You had elvis I mean you had a lot of stuff that could have been good for
• 1:24:36
  cruising but there was a lot of stuff that was like Reserve for the ballroom.
• 1:24:39
  I agree with you there.
• 1:24:41
  But you think about, you may, you know, you made a point about the music
• 1:24:43
  and the cars you think about again, back to the GTI in the eighties,
• 1:24:46
  I'd consider it quirky, right.
• 1:24:48
  And some of the music was popping kind of quirky in that time.
• 1:24:50
  And, you know, that, that did seem to kind of fit where, you know, you could
• 1:24:54
  probably pull up in a valet and a mark one GTI and get parked up front because
• 1:24:56
  it was cool, you know, it was like.
• 1:24:58
  Well, over here, the new hatchback that was cool and
• 1:25:00
  cork and everybody was doing it.
• 1:25:01
  Not to say that your DeLorean wouldn't get you up front too, but
• 1:25:04
  you heard it here first.
• 1:25:05
  The Mark one GTI is a cool car and it'll get you parked up front.
• 1:25:10
  And Monica,
• 1:25:11
  every one of us would be happy to drive you to this.
• 1:25:13
  I
• 1:25:13
  wouldn't fit in one.
• 1:25:14
  So there's that
• 1:25:15
  board.
• 1:25:16
  EXP is the answer.
• 1:25:17
  Cool.
• 1:25:18
  I'm
• 1:25:19
  okay
• 1:25:19
  with
• 1:25:19
  that.
• 1:25:20
  The DeLorean has an immediate soundtrack.
• 1:25:22
  We all go to Huey Lewis in the news.
• 1:25:23
  So I think you also hit on something there, Rob, a lot of cars have.
• 1:25:28
  soundtracks with them.
• 1:25:29
  The Dukes of Hazzard with, um, Waylon Jennings, right?
• 1:25:33
  Or, or Knight Rider or Magnum or whatever.
• 1:25:36
  I mean, it's like, they're, it's, they're so intertwined, you know?
• 1:25:39
  You're not wrong, but I, I, I'm floored.
• 1:25:41
  Like, I honestly forgot.
• 1:25:43
  Like the late 80s.
• 1:25:44
  I mean, it was everything from N.
• 1:25:46
  W.
• 1:25:46
  A.
• 1:25:46
  's albums and the Joshua Tree and Master of Puppets, I didn't realize
• 1:25:50
  was then too, from Metallica.
• 1:25:52
  Yeah, everything
• 1:25:53
  from Metallica pre Black album was 80s.
• 1:25:55
  Was 80s, and you still have like Paul Simon's Graceland, and you have Thriller
• 1:25:58
  from Michael Jackson, and you still have, you know, Back in Black from ACDC.
• 1:26:01
  Like, you just have this A huge pile of amazing music all through
• 1:26:05
  that part that I didn't even think of as being like 80s music, right?
• 1:26:08
  If you go through.
• 1:26:09
  Then you have the Fox body Mustang.
• 1:26:12
  Yeah.
• 1:26:13
  God.
• 1:26:13
  And a VW Fox.
• 1:26:14
  He's going to cut over the audio.
• 1:26:15
  It's going to Rick Roll us.
• 1:26:16
  That's what's going to happen.
• 1:26:18
  I will never give you.
• 1:26:21
  All right, Brad, take us home.
• 1:26:22
  Let's wrap this thing up.
• 1:26:24
  I mean, I think we've spent, what, two hours now waxing poetic about the, the
• 1:26:29
  relationship between cars and, and music.
• 1:26:32
  Uh, there's no denying that there is a connection between the two.
• 1:26:34
  I mean, can anybody deny it?
• 1:26:36
  I don't think anybody on this panel can.
• 1:26:38
  But on that note, I think Brad struck a chord with this episode.
• 1:26:42
  I think there's definitely a, you like my puns?
• 1:26:45
  I think there's definitely a Linkage there between cars and
• 1:26:50
  music and it's deep seated.
• 1:26:51
  It goes back to our parents.
• 1:26:53
  It's a whole experience for all of us.
• 1:26:55
  So I hope that our listeners as they review this and hopefully they got
• 1:26:59
  some laughs out of whatever, remember that it's not about the destination.
• 1:27:04
  It's all about the journey and what you do along the way and make sure that when
• 1:27:08
  you take these journeys, whether they be big or small, they're meaningful.
• 1:27:12
  To remember to pick up that soundtrack, whatever it is, whether you curated
• 1:27:15
  it yourself, or it's an album or an eight track and Pete's case, you know,
• 1:27:19
  listen to some music along the way.
• 1:27:20
  It may change your life, Mr.
• 1:27:22
  Klein
• 1:27:23
  overlord.
• 1:27:26
  Well, I can't thank you guys enough for coming on yet.
• 1:27:28
  Again, Pete Donovan, mountain man and Rob, you know, Brad's always here, but,
• 1:27:33
  you know, thank you guys for coming on.
• 1:27:34
  I think this was a lot of fun and we'll hope to see you
• 1:27:36
  guys again on another episode.
• 1:27:37
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• 1:27:39
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• 1:27:39
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• 1:27:40
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• 1:27:40
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