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Vanessa Baden Kelly Reveals The Inner Secrets Of Lanterns! (The Vanessa Baden Kelly Interview) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: You know in this world this is Green Lantern is
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  Speaker 1: bigger than Michael Jackson like bigger than LeBron James you
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  Speaker 1: know bigger than whoever you want to talk about this
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  Speaker 1: Green Lantern so as a black mother though would you
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  Speaker 1: have trusted this alien when she comes down and is
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  Speaker 1: like you know your son could be space Jesus Scott
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the For All Nerds show.
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  Speaker 1: And as always, we are bringing you nothing but straight heat.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this is one you have all been waiting
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  Speaker 1: for out there. We told you we had a special
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  Speaker 1: surprise for all of our Lanterns fans. And look at God.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the spaceship, Vanessa Bain and Kelly, the writer, director, producer,
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  Speaker 1: and actor. You've seen her in Rosewood as Vanessa in
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  Speaker 1: Gullah Gullah Island, Kyra Rockmore in Kenan and Kel, a
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  Speaker 1: writer on the sex lives of college girls. Fast forward
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  Speaker 1: to now. Let me, I mean, let's start clapping right
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  Speaker 1: now because an executive writer on HBO's, I mean, biggest
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  Speaker 1: hit in a long time, Lantern. You know, let's, please.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: We really, this really matters for a variety of reasons.
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  Speaker 3: You know, obviously, you know, we're, we're, we talk about
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  Speaker 3: Gullah Gullah Island real quick. You know, that's that, that's
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  Speaker 3: my stuff, man. That's my childhood. I love that stuff,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but it's so interesting to see someone come
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  Speaker 3: from that, you know, being an actor and then now
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  Speaker 3: you're writing and you're writing still stuff that is childhood, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like stuff that is very intrinsically who we are here
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  Speaker 3: for all nerds, everything that is so important to us. Um,
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  Speaker 3: And as Ben mentioned, like the probably biggest hit that
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  Speaker 3: HBO has had in like forever. And you are like
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  Speaker 3: the head writer on the blackest and biggest hit that
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  Speaker 3: they got. So are your parents finally happy with the
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  Speaker 3: path that you chose?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, they are.
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  Speaker 5: Yes. Everybody understand what I'm, what I'm doing now. Like
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  Speaker 5: when you first start writing and like, you're just writing
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  Speaker 5: some show on some weird thing. Everybody's like, Okay, so
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  Speaker 5: how long is this going to last? I already do
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  Speaker 5: stuff like this, and it's like, oh, okay, I see it.
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  Speaker 4: I see the vision.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say, Vanessa, like, I've only had one experience I
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  Speaker 1: worked on, American Gods.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good one to work on.
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  Speaker 1: It was. It definitely was, you know, but you know
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  Speaker 1: how it ended. So, yeah, it was, so it wasn't,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 4: We just had this conversation like five minutes ago. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know. I'm going to break it to you. You
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  Speaker 4: ain't going to see no more of this.
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  Speaker 1: When people are like, oh, you worked on American, I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: First one I breathe. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say, you know, my mom, I've always done,
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  Speaker 1: you know, wild stuff and different things. So it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like my parents weren't used to it. But when my
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  Speaker 1: mom did see what a check was, she was she
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  Speaker 1: was like, OK, you know, this is not DJing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: at the nightclub anymore.
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  Speaker 4: So you're not a DJ.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're doing a little something with your life,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So that was nice. But OK, good to
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  Speaker 1: know that they're happy. Good. Yeah, and like we said,
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  Speaker 1: Lanterns is just something else. You know, we have been
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  Speaker 1: discussing it all. You know, we dropped a two-hour-plus episode
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  Speaker 1: talking about it today. So, you know, when you got
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  Speaker 1: into the writers' room, what felt special about this joint?
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  Speaker 4: What didn't? Like, just to be very honest.
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  Speaker 5: You know, like, one, you're getting to bring Green Lantern
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  Speaker 5: to the small screen, which I know a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people are like, They're they're film buffs, but I'm a
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  Speaker 5: TV buff.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I love TV.
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  Speaker 5: I think the TV is one of the most important
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  Speaker 5: mediums that we have because you're inviting somebody to come
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  Speaker 5: and sit in your living room every week. You know,
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  Speaker 5: and it's like not to make light of things, but
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  Speaker 5: especially culturally, all of us know how we feel when
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  Speaker 5: Will's daddy didn't stay to take him on that trip.
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  Speaker 5: We all, we, if I see that meme come across
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  Speaker 5: my eyes well up because it was like, we invited
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  Speaker 5: that family into our house every week and we'll deserve
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  Speaker 5: it better than that. And those were our friends and
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  Speaker 5: that was our family. And we felt it so deeply.
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  Speaker 5: And there's so many, there's so many television moments that
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  Speaker 5: are like that. And I feel like television is the
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  Speaker 5: only medium where that can happen. So to bring iconic
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  Speaker 5: characters like how Jordan and Jon Stewart into television and
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  Speaker 5: into people's homes, it felt like something that you couldn't
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  Speaker 5: turn down.
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  Speaker 2: One.
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  Speaker 4: Two, Jon Stewart.
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  Speaker 5: You're getting an opportunity to not only be part of
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  Speaker 5: the crafting of the legacy of the Black Green Lantern,
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  Speaker 5: but also to bring him into people's homes. They're going
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  Speaker 5: to invite him into people's homes. They're going to invite
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  Speaker 5: them into their house and become his friend. And That's iconic. Like,
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  Speaker 5: like you, you, you might only get one. Some people
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  Speaker 5: don't even get the opportunity to do stuff of that magnitude,
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  Speaker 5: but if you do, you probably are only going to
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  Speaker 5: get that opportunity once. So, you know, like that meme says,
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  Speaker 5: if you get the ball ball, like, like they, they
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  Speaker 5: gave me the ball. So you got a ball, like,
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  Speaker 5: like we, this is what we have to do. And
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  Speaker 5: then lastly, just the team that was behind it. I
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  Speaker 5: actually started my writing career as Chris Monday's assistant on Ozark.
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  Speaker 5: So being able to do that full circle moment to
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  Speaker 5: come in as your assistant. And now I'm coming in
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  Speaker 5: writing and co-executive producing.
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  Speaker 1: That's one.
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  Speaker 5: Two, when I first started writing, I first signed with
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  Speaker 5: my reps. They made me make a list of all
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  Speaker 5: the people that I wanted to work with. And the
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  Speaker 5: number one person I wanted to work with on my
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  Speaker 5: list was Damon Lindelof. So now I'm getting to work
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  Speaker 5: with Damon Lindelof. Like there was nothing to say no to. Like,
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  Speaker 5: and then finally, you know, you're getting to the comic
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  Speaker 5: book space and especially like the comic book adaptation into television,
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  Speaker 5: into film, there's not a lot of us there. And
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  Speaker 5: so you're coming into this and being allowed, given the opportunity,
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  Speaker 5: the door is open for you to be able to
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  Speaker 5: come in and be in spaces that were traditionally not,
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  Speaker 5: there was just nothing to say no to. Like it was,
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  Speaker 5: you say yes a hundred times over. And I would
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  Speaker 5: say yes a thousand times over again.
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  Speaker 2: I love how much you opened that answer with the
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  Speaker 2: idea of like the audience being the ones who are
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  Speaker 2: opening their home for the storytelling. So the opportunity is
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  Speaker 2: special to you for all these very personal specific reasons,
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  Speaker 2: but it's also because you are, you hold the medium
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  Speaker 2: of television in such a way that you understand the
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  Speaker 2: might that the audience has and making the story actually
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  Speaker 2: have resonance beyond what you put on the screen. So
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  Speaker 2: with that in mind, um, We're about a week away
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  Speaker 2: from the episode, that first episode we seen drop with you,
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  Speaker 2: like the primary writer on that story on episode four,
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  Speaker 2: on episode three. And how are you feeling now about
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  Speaker 2: the reaction to that episode and also episode four, for
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  Speaker 2: that matter?
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  Speaker 4: Ooh, child.
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  Speaker 6: This has been... I love it. That's how you feel.
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  Speaker 1: We see it.
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  Speaker 6: YouTube.com slash ForAllNerdsTV. Y'all got to be on.
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  Speaker 1: It to see this. Let me say your name comes
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  Speaker 1: up on some searches on YouTube, boy. I was looking
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  Speaker 1: for interviews and I was.
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  Speaker 4: Like, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Headlines are disrespectful sometimes.
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  Speaker 5: It has been a week. I was just mentioning to
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  Speaker 5: somebody that I would have thought that... the most controversial
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  Speaker 5: part of this episode was the parenting. That's what I
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  Speaker 5: thought the debate was.
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  Speaker 4: Going to be.
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  Speaker 5: I thought the debate was going to be, are Jon
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  Speaker 5: Stewart's parents abusers or are they raising the next Greenland?
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  Speaker 5: I thought that was going to be the entirety of
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  Speaker 5: the debate. That being said, it's been a week. It's
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  Speaker 5: been one of the most beautiful weeks. I have felt
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  Speaker 5: an extreme amount of gratitude.
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  Speaker 4: And I felt so many people lift me up.
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  Speaker 5: And obviously it was like critically acclaimed in ways that
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  Speaker 5: I was like, not prepared for heart wise. Like, oh
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  Speaker 5: my God, I didn't, I thought it was a good episode.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't think it was that. And then of course
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  Speaker 5: there's been the other side of it, which you're just like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I, probably should get tougher skin. But like,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, oh man, guys, I wasn't trying to
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  Speaker 5: shit on Hal Jordan.
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  Speaker 4: I don't feel that way at all. And you're about
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  Speaker 4: to see it like next.
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  Speaker 5: But I also recognize that something unique, besides the fact,
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  Speaker 5: all the racial components, all of that, yes. But there's
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  Speaker 5: something unique about what we're doing that hasn't been happening
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  Speaker 5: for about 15 years, which is we're dropping once a week.
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  Speaker 5: And so- You're having to sit with these ideas and
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  Speaker 5: discuss them. I don't know if I think the conversation
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  Speaker 5: happens the way it does if people are able to
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  Speaker 5: press play on four and five and six and seven
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  Speaker 5: immediately after 103. You know what I mean? People have
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  Speaker 5: the opportunity to do that. I don't think some of
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  Speaker 5: the reaction would have been what it is, but they didn't.
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  Speaker 4: And so now I'm just sitting here. You couldn't do that.
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  Speaker 4: You have to keep waiting.
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  Speaker 5: And so I already saw it die down as soon
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  Speaker 5: as four came out. Some of it died down as
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  Speaker 5: soon as four came out because, you know, four comes
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  Speaker 5: out and obviously Alex is extraordinarily competent. And it's very
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  Speaker 5: clear that we love him and think him exactly. We
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  Speaker 5: think of him the exact way the comics think of him.
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  Speaker 4: Like he's one of the greatest Green Lanterns of all time.
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  Speaker 5: And it also was like, and Ben, I look at
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  Speaker 5: you because I know that you've been in a writer's room.
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  Speaker 4: It's also like, oh, I don't think y'all understand how
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  Speaker 4: writer's rooms work.
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  Speaker 1: No, they don't.
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  Speaker 4: All of this together.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: So it wasn't like I went off by myself and
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  Speaker 4: made this story up.
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  Speaker 2: And then they.
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  Speaker 5: Were like, oh, let me do something. We made it
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  Speaker 5: all together. It's all supposed to be of a piece. So,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I just hope that by the end, even
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  Speaker 5: by next week, I hope that they realize, oh, this
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  Speaker 5: is all the people.
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  Speaker 4: Who feel hurt. by three realize it was all part
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  Speaker 4: of the puzzle.
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  Speaker 2: I also want to note, like you said, you might
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  Speaker 2: need to build a tougher skin, but I think that
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  Speaker 2: being vulnerable is like very refreshing. I think being in a,
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  Speaker 2: from a vulnerable space allows you to write the way
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  Speaker 2: that you do. And the way that like, we have
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  Speaker 2: spoken about how in so many ways, it's about how
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  Speaker 2: people be like, why are y'all looking at it that way?
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  Speaker 2: But I think it's refreshing too, to think about how
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  Speaker 2: being this multifaceted person and not one note and like,
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  Speaker 2: he can make mistakes and we can have criticism about
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  Speaker 2: him and that's good yeah it actually pulled us into
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  Speaker 2: the next episode and wanting to see more story from.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah it's and it's good to it's a question
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  Speaker 3: saying not to necessarily like you have to be so
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  Speaker 3: stoic about everything right like because it's also you don't
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  Speaker 3: have to be arrogant about it like you should be
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  Speaker 3: able to be open and understand and express that and
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  Speaker 3: speaking of arrogance what do you actually feel about hal
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  Speaker 3: jordan I think Al.
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  Speaker 4: Jordan is arrogant, right?
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  Speaker 5: And I think he's arrogant and he's a prick, but
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  Speaker 5: he's also extraordinarily charming and really good at his job
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  Speaker 5: and fucking smart and instinctual.
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  Speaker 4: In a way.
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  Speaker 5: That creates a completely different lane for why he's the
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  Speaker 5: Green Lantern he is and why John is the Green
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  Speaker 5: Lantern he is. And those lanes don't cross, but they
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  Speaker 5: are like the end to each other's yang in a
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  Speaker 5: lot of ways.
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  Speaker 4: And I think just like John is.
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  Speaker 5: Having to learn some shit as seen in episode four,
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  Speaker 5: like Hal is going to have to learn some shit
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  Speaker 5: because we all have to learn some shit. And I
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  Speaker 5: think that there's this idea when we're creating superheroes that
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  Speaker 5: they come in and they're always right.
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  Speaker 4: They're always correct. It's one of the things that I
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  Speaker 4: think Gunn did really well.
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  Speaker 5: With Superman, which was like, I'm on this very altruistic
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  Speaker 5: path only to find out that my parents might not
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  Speaker 5: have said some, like what they, the path they, like
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  Speaker 5: the way that I've helped them put them on this pedestal,
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  Speaker 5: they actually meant something a little bit different. Like, and
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  Speaker 5: you have to like deal with that. And I think
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  Speaker 5: there's this like, sometimes it's a little bit, I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to call it like childlike, but for lack of
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  Speaker 5: better words, this childlike belief that superheroes have to be
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  Speaker 5: purposely altruistic and never have a flaw and never, because
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  Speaker 5: that's what makes them super.
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  Speaker 4: And I just disagree.
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  Speaker 5: I think what makes superheroes worth it is that sometimes
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  Speaker 5: they don't do it right. And sometimes their thought patterns
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  Speaker 5: need to be challenged. And sometimes they get emotional or
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  Speaker 5: they don't actually know the right thing to do. And
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  Speaker 5: they are superheroes because they can course correct.
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  Speaker 4: And do what they need to do.
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  Speaker 5: But that's also how we get bad guys. Like bad
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  Speaker 5: guys that feel like they're bad guys. We're following our
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  Speaker 5: bad guys that also have a point. So if we
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  Speaker 5: give everybody a point of view and everybody a flaw,
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  Speaker 5: then we're making more kinetic storytelling. And I just, that,
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  Speaker 5: that pushback on Hal is that he's imperfect, but Hal's
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  Speaker 5: always been imperfect.
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  Speaker 4: And this like, and he's an asshole. I don't know what,
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  Speaker 4: and who is the more charming asshole than Kyle Chandler?
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  Speaker 6: Like it's, You know, he's him. Yeah, we get it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, from what I'm hearing is it seems like
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  Speaker 3: you do not have a vendetta against Hal Jordan, the character.
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  Speaker 4: I love him.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 6: And it sounds like you guys just want to make
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  Speaker 6: an interesting story.
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  Speaker 2: How about that?
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  Speaker 4: How about that?
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  Speaker 5: But, you know, I really don't think that by the
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  Speaker 5: end of I don't think that by episode by the
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  Speaker 5: end of next this upcoming week's episode, I don't think
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  Speaker 5: anybody will think that.
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  Speaker 4: But surely by the end of the season.
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  Speaker 5: I just think it's hard when you're used to being
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  Speaker 5: able to press play and see what happens next to
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  Speaker 5: sit with the idea of character development is we just.
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  Speaker 4: Haven't had to do it for so long.
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  Speaker 1: And journeys. And like you said, I think one of
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  Speaker 1: the best advice I got from Michael Green was when
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  Speaker 1: he told me people will never understand what you do.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just like, that's what I mean. People don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: And because like you say, we've gotten such an instant,
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  Speaker 1: reaction culture. People don't understand how storytelling works and how
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  Speaker 1: characters have to go on journeys. We've seen this criticism
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  Speaker 1: that John is not Dwayne McDuffie's JLU version of John.
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  Speaker 1: My response to them is, slow down. He's on a journey.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 5: I cannot say what it is, but there is a
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  Speaker 5: big criticism online about something with John's character that literally
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  Speaker 5: answered in six.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm just like, I'm sitting here waiting.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, can we ask? We have one of
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  Speaker 1: them that I keep seeing that drives me really wild
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like people are just not paying attention
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  Speaker 1: is that John is always obedient and that he obeys
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  Speaker 1: everything that's been said. And I'm like, you are obviously
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  Speaker 1: not paying attention. It was really made clear in four,
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  Speaker 1: but it's been made clear in every episode that in
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  Speaker 1: his past, surely he did, but no, things happen in
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  Speaker 1: his past, like that sniper incident and other things where
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  Speaker 1: he grows. That's one of those criticisms. I'm like, man, y'all.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's, that's astute. And I think it's right.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that it's also like, you know, one
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  Speaker 5: of my pet peeves in anything, like this is not just,
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  Speaker 5: obviously this isn't even lanterns, but just like the minute
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  Speaker 5: that we get a black character, if they're doing really well,
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  Speaker 5: they're a lawyer or a civil rights activist or blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, bitch, can they do something else?
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  Speaker 6: Like, can they, can they, can they work at McDonald's? Like,
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  Speaker 6: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: But I didn't, um, the reason that I think a
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  Speaker 5: lot of times people like lean towards that is because
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  Speaker 5: it comes from a really good place. It comes from
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  Speaker 5: this place of wanting to present black characters as something
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  Speaker 5: different than we have traditionally seen them as, which I'm
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  Speaker 5: all for. Um, and also, wanting to make sure that
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  Speaker 5: because there, there are tropes surrounding like a teacher and
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  Speaker 5: there are tropes surrounding like a civil rights activist.
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  Speaker 4: So if they, the character ends up saying something that's.
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  Speaker 5: Like political, that the trope of what they do gives
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  Speaker 5: us the excuse to be able to put some of
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  Speaker 5: those words in their mouths.
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  Speaker 4: Right. I think that's all well and fine. And I
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  Speaker 4: get it. But for me, what we did with.
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  Speaker 5: John is we said, Hey, Here are the things that
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: happened in his childhood that created the person you are
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: going to see. This is the things that happened in
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: his childhood that created who you're seeing right now.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: And now we're going on a journey with him.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: Now that you understand why he acts the way he does,
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: we are going on a journey with him for you
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: to then discover how he becomes.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: Who he becomes.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: So we didn't do the trope of, oh, this is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: So that you, it was just like cookie cutter.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: This is who he is. So now you understand why
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: he acts like this. We took you on that journey
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: with him.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: And like, you are going to see him become the
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: Jon Stewart that we created him to be. But it
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: started the day his dad got bubbled and it is
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: going on just like much of our stories as human
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: beings started in the city we were born in, the
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: parents we were born to. Like what we did, like
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: just like any full, fully fledged character starts someplace as
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: opposed to giving him a journey. And I'm really proud
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: that we did that. I'm grateful for that. Like, you know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: not to get out of the DCU, but we know
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Wolverine's entire backstory. We know what started before the adamantium.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: We know who he was talking to before and then
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: what's created this, what he like, we know all of that.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: And that's why he was such a fan favorite. It's
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: because we didn't just like slap on a, he was
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: a mutant.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: His parents didn't like him. So they sent him to
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Xavier school. Like they were like, it was.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: They put drama.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: It was drama.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: And that's why there's like affection for Wolverine as a,
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: as a character. And I think that, I hope that
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: we're able to create the same thing with Jon Stewart.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: And first of all, we're beyond pleased that you've actually
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: worked to flesh out Jon Stewart's backstory because there's extremely
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: little there.
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: We've understood that.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: People disagree, which I didn't know.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Well, you're helping, and part of the, I gotta call
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: it fanboy anchors, because you're setting canon for this character. So, like,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: you're setting things that are, yes, and that's another thing, like,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: these characters are not static. Like, they're gonna get changed,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: there's other stories that come out, and I think that's
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: part of the the issue and the challenge like people
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: don't realize that like you're creating a canon for this
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: version of the character there could be another version 10
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: years from now that does something a little different just
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: like how there's mad different versions of how there's different
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: things everywhere and that idea that you can't be fluid
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: and and mold these characters into the story and the
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: and the messages you're trying to tell anyway like i
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: think that's odd that's odd to me that's odd from
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: it It's odd from a critical perspective. It's odd from
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: a creative perspective.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: It's just odd.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think... I agree.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: I think that the place that I do give grace,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: a lot of grace, even though people ain't giving me grace,
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: is because I think that it's just been such a
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: long time since people have seen this character be given
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: a platform. And yeah, we had the Ryan Reynolds movie. And,
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: you know, that obviously... It was.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: What it was.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: But I think there are a lot of people that
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: were waiting for this. And I think that I was
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: actually having this conversation with my little brother about another
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: superhero movie. When you've been waiting for something for so long,
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: your thoughts and your hopes and your dreams about it
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: become so outsized that I don't know if there's anything
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: that could have happened. that everybody would have been pleased
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: because your imagination is running so big about all the
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: things that could be. But I really do. I really,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: it's from the bottom of my heart. I believe that
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: at the end of this year or the end of
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: the season, a lot of, this chatter is going to
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: go away. And I think in its totality, it is
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: going to be like, that was a really good season
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: of television.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I feel, I feel like we all have been like
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: thinking about the origin story of Jon Stewart and like
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: how in depth that is, how many different levels that's
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: been hit. And I think one of the things that
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: was kind of fun and Tatiana has spoken about how
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: it was like breaking the third, fourth wall, whenever Hal
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah, the regular old superhero origin story,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: both my parents are dead now kind of thing. That's
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: not true for Jon Stewart. He had a whole family.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And even though he grew up with like mother, father,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: both brothers, he speaks to feeling lonely within that existence
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: during the interview with the Guardian. So one, thank you
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: for giving him a whole story and breaking him out
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: of that mold of like fairy tales and all the
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: other tropes that give you an orphan. But also do you,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: What can you tell us about what we might see
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: about his relationship with his brothers in the present day
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: in 2016, possibly or 2026? Are we going to see
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: anything around that going forward? Yes.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: So I can't tell you much because you will see things,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: but I think that.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: John's journey is a whole.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: And everything you saw in three, bought for its life
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: to be on that screen because it has to in
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: some way inform something that's going to happen later so
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: um everything is informing something later so you'll you'll you'll see.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Them okay Okay.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: We were happy to hear that because there's clearly a
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: critical component of who John is and just the story itself.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: And as we speak about episode three, we're just thinking
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: about all the different messages, you know, the messages that
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: you had up in there. It was insane, not just because, like,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: you know, it was stuff as Black people, as the
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: fellow Blacks.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: The Black delegation understood, but it's also like.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: you are imparting this on an audience of people who
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: have no idea, right? That they don't know the whole
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: black excellence theory and all this other stuff. And you're
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: also doing this in the concept of a writer's room.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: You're doing it with really good writers and people who,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: you know, shout out to Lindelof, you know, our boy,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: but you're still trying to compare, explain this to people
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: who may not have lived it and don't necessarily have
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the intrinsic understanding. So like, how do you explain those
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: theories of, everything that was talked about, particularly in that episode,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you know, the Black excellence, the, you know, doing things
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: twice as much to get half as far, like all
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: of this. Like, how do you go about not just
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: explaining it, but then imparting that in your writing?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: So shout out to Shonda Rhimes because the minute that
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: we started talking about it, Damon was like, that was
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: on an episode of Scandal.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: And I was like, yes, it was. You are right, Damon.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: Papa Pope.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Papa Pope.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Yes!
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Boy.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: But, you know, it was... I feel like in the
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: writer's room, it was pretty.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: Regardless of what every... And I think there was, like,
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: a really diverse... There were very diverse thoughts about.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: the outcome of the idea of black excellence. Right.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Which I think the conversations we have in the community, but,
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: but I felt like everybody had a touch.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Point to at least what the theory was.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Many of, of course we discussed like, like athletics a lot.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: So we discussed like Tiger Woods and the Williams sisters
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: and various other like athletes who had been trained from
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: the time that they were little to be the greatest
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: of all time. And of course we went on to
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: the Jacksons because Michael was coming out soon. Well, we
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: didn't realize Michael was coming out when it did, when
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: it actually helped us because everybody remembered like Joe Jackson.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: But being able to have kind of those touch points
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: and talk about it in those types of ways really
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: helped to make maybe people who hadn't had that experience
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: in their lives or known anybody like that understand it.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: But I think what was really great about having Damon
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: and Chris in the room is they're aware of what
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: they're unaware of. And so Justin and I were able
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: to really lead the conversations in the room about the
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: ways that we had experienced things and things we had experienced.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: And we were not the only people, we were the
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: only black people in the room, but we were not
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: the only people of color in the room. So there
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: were other people of color in the room who were
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: able to be like, hey, this is similar to this
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: and my culture is similar to this and that. And
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: so those conversations, those weren't even debates, they were conversations,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: were really robust.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: And they were.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: And maybe somebody might say, well, I think it's abuse.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: And some people would be like, It ain't right, but
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't go as far as abuse.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: And like, and like having, and then you see eyes open,
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: like you don't think that's abuse. And then somebody else
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: would be like, no, I think it's like this, this, this,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: and this. And if not, then how would they, this,
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: the Williams sisters haven't able to get out of Compton.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: And then somebody else would be like, maybe they could
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: have been teachers. Like you start going back and forth
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: about all. And it really was beautiful. And it was
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: like this, this way of having a conversation that again,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: I thought was going to end up being the big
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: conversation around the episode.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: So, being able to kind of lead.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Have that, have that discourse and then be able to
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: come in and say, okay, not only writing what feels
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: true to me, but also into account some of the
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: things that I heard as we were discussing and some
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: people's perspectives of this and how this might look to
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: somebody who has no idea about this, who is in quotations,
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: an alien in our culture.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Like what Liana represent, like being able to bring all
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: of that in at once. It just, it was kind
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: of amazing.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: So to say that all of it was my, obviously
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: I wrote it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: But a lot of it is just crystallizing all of
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: these really robust conversations we had concerning it in the room.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: And it sounds like, like a collective, a collaboration and
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: a collective response to kind of the trauma of parents
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: as well. Right. And how they pass it on to
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: their children, the cost and the pain of that excellence.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: And we commend you guys for including that, you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: and then obviously to.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: You directly as, because it spoke to us.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Like it actually, when you said that this spurred a
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: lot of robust conversation, it did for us as well.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: We started sharing our own personal experiences and histories and,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: you know, like, you know, Ben's whole thing about getting,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: you know, being the only black kid in a group
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: of white boys and not doing anything, but getting stopped
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: by the police and police only asking him, me, to
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: this day, not being able to touch anything that resembles
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: a gun.
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: You know, Portia had an anecdote. Like it's always.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: But it's interesting that, you know, you say that this
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: was collaborative amongst many different cultures, you know, because there
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: are similarities across. That's really interesting that it was a
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: collaboration of different people who had different thoughts.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: And I'm not going to say that I brought anybody
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: over to the black side.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: But what I will say is that you could tell.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: And it's probably one of the things that I'll hold
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: with me for the remainder of my career is you
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: could tell that. every single one of us had never
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: heard something somebody else said.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: So it was like when.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Somebody, when we would like, you know, I'm not saying
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: that I would raise children the way Earl Woods or.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Richard Williams did, but I get what he was trying
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: to do. Like, I get it. I wouldn't run that play,
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: but I get what he was trying to do. And
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: so like hearing... hearing people feel very strongly in opposition,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: like I.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Don't know that I had ever heard that. And I
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: was like, damn, when I'm, if I'm sitting here and
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I'm sitting here to listen, then I'm like, shit, I
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: do get that. I have a completely different POV of it,
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: but I do understand from where you're standing, how that looks.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: So can you hear where I'm standing from?
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: And then like, we would talk about that and getting
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: the opportunity to like encapsulate all of that in an
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: hour of TV.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: That's it's magic important work. Like it feels really special.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: All right. The question that has been going around and,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you know, you did refer to this, but if we
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: talked about it and we've been trying to explain it
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to some people who've been leaving comments about this, about how,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: you know, in this world, this is green lantern is
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: bigger than Michael Jackson, like bigger than LeBron James, you know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: bigger than whoever you want to talk about this green lantern. So,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you know, as a black mother though, and you know,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you are a mother of Would you have trusted this
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: alien when she comes down and is like, you know,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: your son could be space Jesus Scott? You know what
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: That's what they did.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: That's what Leanna did.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: Your man can.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Come down and, you know, he can fly, you know? Like,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: your son would be able to fly.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: She said, your son is Neo.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Your son is Neo. Well, okay, so that's interesting.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: Using the Neo, using the Neo context of it, would
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: you have trusted that man to take that pill?
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Like, I guess, you know what I mean?
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Would you have done it?
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: And I think most people, because they get to see
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: the superhero aspect of it, are like, Fuck yeah, I'm
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: going to get out this matrix.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: But when you're watching a mother make it on behalf
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: of her child. they're like, oh, mothers. And you're like, no,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: because you would have taken the pill. Like you would
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: have done it.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: But also the thing that I always want to keep
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: in context with Bernadette, and then I'll go back and
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: answer the exact question. She was in crisis herself. Her
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: family was in the middle of crisis. Her family was
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: falling apart. Her husband was not in the house. He
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: was doing dangerous shit. He was, he was acting completely
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: out of character. As far as they were concerned, he
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: had lost touch with the reality. He was having a
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: psychotic break. Like, and now everything he said, he saw
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: showing up at your doorstep. Like this is you to
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: get into the mind of Bernadette at that moment. It's,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: I personally do not know if I had her exact,
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: to answer the question, if I was in her exact shoes,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: there's this new like green lantern that has now come
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: to earth. Now we know that we're not alone using
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: Carrie's words from episode one.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Okay, fine. We know we're not alone now.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: There's this guy that does this kind of, everything my
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: husband has been going crazy about, he did say that
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: in that interview, but it still don't make no goddamn sense.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Then this lady shows up and I have to believe something.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: Like I have to believe something because everything is pointing
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: that direction. Like, and then, you know, I think what
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: we did is we, and there was a scene that
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: was written that was not shot, but like, She goes,
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: we had a scene where Bernadette goes into a public
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: library and checks out all of these books about all
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: of these.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Because she's a teacher.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: She sits and she just, with all her kids in tow,
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: but before John Sr. is allowed to come back to
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: the house, sits and reads up about everything. Because like,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: what is the plausibility of all of this? Not only
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: of what we just saw, but could we even make
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: one of our kids a Green Lantern? Like, is it
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: possible to train them?
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Fear out of somebody. And it was just like such
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: a small.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Scene and we could get it out in dialogue that
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: we did that. We, that we didn't include it for.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Time, but like, okay. She would, I do it.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: My, my answer here right now in this moment is no,
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: but I also am not her.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: I wasn't in that position.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: And when I've been in some really crazy scenarios, I've
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: done some weird shit. Like, if you just think about
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: when your car, like your car is about to hit
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: somebody in front of you and you got a passenger
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: and you put your arm in front of the passenger,
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: what the fuck that arm going to do? That arm
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: won't stop nobody from flying out the dang windshield.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: Just what you instinctively think to do is to protect,
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: even if it's not going to do anything or it
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: might break your whole arm off. It's just you have
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: these instinctual reflexes to do certain things. And I feel
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: like that was just Bernadette.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Would that be mine or yours?
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: A guardian hasn't come to our house. We haven't been
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: bubbled up. I don't know what I would do.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: And like, she didn't have Green Lantern comics. She didn't
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: know that's what this was. Like, I don't know what
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: I would do without the knowledge of what was happening
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: to me.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: So while we're still in this zone where we're positing
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: the alien, right? Can we talk about Liana and what's
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: up with her? Clearly, she's lying to everyone. And besides being...
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Because it's a mystery.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: We get it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: You got to figure out what's the clues beneath all
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the lines. We're fine. We're going on this journey. But
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: then she goes this extra step in episode four. And
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: she basically tells... John Stewart Jr., that she's disappointed in
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: him for coming and being like his father and then
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: also questioning Bernadette's like ability to train him into being
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: who he needs to be to be a lantern. So
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: do we have permission to beat her ass? Like, would
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you beat her ass in this situation?
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, here's the thing. Would I beat her ass?
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't be the Guardians ass just because they could
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: kill me.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: But what am I going to do?
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Like, I can't.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: I got to like try to have them.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Man, I got to find out. I'm at the front.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I'm at the front. But
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that's one of.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: My favorite things about about the entire Green Lantern series
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: is the Guardians are the best bad guys. Like they
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: are always the people fucking stuff up in life or
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: the entities fucking stuff up. And so that's what I'm
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: really hoping is like there was this idea that we
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: were villainizing how then there was, you know, this thing that,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: you know, we were making Bernadette the ultimate bad guy.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: And we just keep seeing that the people pulling the
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: marionette strings.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Are who traditionally do it in the Green Lantern lore,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: which is the Guardians. So, you know, continue to watch.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: But I think.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: The Guardians, much like the comics, are emotionless creatures. And
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: they are just always trying to find the shortest distance
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: to what they want to do. And in this particular moment,
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: they want Hal Jordan gone. And whatever the shortest distance
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: to that is, they're going to do it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: It's interesting that using another person and telling him to
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: steal the ring is the shortest distance to.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Because it doesn't make them look bad. Like, do you
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like, it's... They can... It wasn't us.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: But they can make the Black man look bad.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: Say it again.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: They can make the Black man look bad. Right. So,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: just keep watching.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Just keep watching.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Man, like I said, my military dad, you know, was stripped,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you know, put hands, feet, whatever on me was, you know,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: not the best, but I felt that. Like, I was
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: ready to, you know, do all kinds of things. You
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: are not going to disrespect my dad no matter what.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: You know, none of my family are you going to
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: ever speak about you out your mind as, you know, alien. Like, no.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to find out. I might get a
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: little like Hal real quick. And on that note, I
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: have to ask, because this has been, you know, like
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you said, it's so funny. Week to week, we've been
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: seeing everything. You know, people, you know, oh, you hate Hal.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: You hate John. You hate the Guardian. You hate this person.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: You hate Bernadette. You know, everyone. So one thing we've seen,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: and we have to ask, because, you know, my man said,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I don't even like jazz music. Me too. Do you
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: feel that he's racist? Hal Jordan, you know, xenophobic or
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: is this just a bit of an act? Yeah. I mean,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: even the, you know, the alien he's, I don't hang
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: out with the rest of the core that he's made
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of wild statements.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Yes. I, my personal opinion is I think that Hal
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: is a man of a certain age and I don't
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: think that he considers himself racist. I don't think I
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: consider him him racist in the traditional sense.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: Like, you know what I'm saying?
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't think I don't think that I
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: think if he heard somebody use a slur racial.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Epithet, he wouldn't.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: And then say, I hate jazz music.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Like, because he doesn't equate them to be the same thing. Because, like,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: he's just a man of a certain age. And I
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: think the Hal Jordan that we created wouldn't think he
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: was racist because he's like, I'm Green Lantern. I was
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: just sleeping with an entire different species in space.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Like, what are you even saying?
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: But I do think that his isolation has.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Made him thin. I didn't mean to.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just, I know. Thing is like, like Tatiana
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: referred to, I grew up in Houston, Texas. I went
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: to a school that was like the Madden school where,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I was bussed out of third ward and
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: all black neighborhood to a white school. My best friend
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: from day one is a little Jewish kid who I'm
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: still tight with to this day. And so it's like,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I grew up with those white people, you know? And
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: it's like, that's why I didn't even.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: It's complex.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: People are talking about it and I'm from Florida.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: And so it's like, I know people who have really
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: bad takes on race. and would give me the fucking
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: kidney tomorrow if I did. And it's just complex. But
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: in that, one of the things that I learned, which
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: I'm sure you probably learned, Ben, and I don't want
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: to say that y'all didn't learn it either, but it's
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: just because he just shared it with me, is there
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: would be moments where maybe I had explained something that
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: had happened to me. And they would be like, oh,
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: I don't think such and such was being like that.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Or I don't think that's what it was. And then
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: At some point along the way, they would be with
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: me when that thing happened and you would see the
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: light bulb go off and.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: They'd be like, did they just?
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: And you're like, this is what I've been explaining to you.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: And they're like, oh, no, no, I'm not standing for that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: And then they go up and they like, that's who
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: I think happened. Like I think that who me.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: Personally, I'm not saying that's what the room discuss or
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: anything like that. I just think that how has lived
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: such an isolated life and he's lived it because of
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: his own traumas and because of the things that have
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: happened to him. And because it's really hard to be
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: the first of anything like it's, and he's the, in
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: our world, he is the first green lantern on earth.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Like I think that he has isolated himself. He doesn't
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: have a lot of people. He doesn't, he don't.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: Trust a lot of people.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: If people have corrected him, he would probably feel really
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: bad about it, but there's not a lot of people
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: that he would like correct him. And so this relationship
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: that is blossoming with John might be the first time,
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: like might be the first time that he's had real
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: friendship with anybody since Sinestro. Also think that the hymn
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: before this moment, is a different him. It's like what
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: we saw in that hologram. Like it's a, it's a
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: different him.
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: It's a different version of him.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: And the world jades us sometimes. And I don't think that,
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: I don't think he is any more. jaded with John
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: as a black man than he is with all the
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: people he's seeing in Rushville. And he's like, they're all
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: probably related. Like, you know, small towns like this, everybody's cousins.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: Like, he's doing the same thing to them that he
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: does to John. And it's prickly and it fucking sucks.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: But it's who he is.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: What I'm hearing is he's an equal opportunity hater.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: He's an equal opportunity hater.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: That seems very much aligned with his character.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I think one of the things we've
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: been talking about on this podcast and on every episode
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: we've been reviewing is just the fact that everything you've
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: said has led to a larger world building and probably.
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: And again, like this really isn't hyperbole.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: This is like the best superhero quote show that we've
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: seen in a very long time, let alone superhero property,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: because it also has that very groundedness, even though it's
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: meant to span galaxies.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: And again, When you are dealing and trying to mold
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: something like this, where it has this so far ranging implications, right?
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: But you're also trying to bring it more home and
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: grounded and.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Real, right?
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: How do you strike that balance?
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Especially that balance of what people want to see, who
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: are just like straight comic books, and then what people
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: need to see when you talk about TV.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: I think it was a hard needle to thread. And
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: we discussed a lot. Like, you know, like, that's like,
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: you know, is this a moment that he uses his
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: service weapon? Is there a better way to do this?
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: Is there a more interesting way to do this? I
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: wish there was a mathematical way we could have attacked it,
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: but there wasn't. It was really just us sitting and
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: being like, he has.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: To go to space. It is not for him to
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: go to space.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Because he cannot realistically be doing this job and not
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: be in space. But then also like, the events of
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: Rushville that we're in right now are like 48 hours,
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: 72 hours.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: So he could have not gone to faith for 72 hours.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Like, are we like, you're doing all of that work
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: and all of that math and trying to figure it out.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: And there wasn't like every seven scenes, he needs to
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: use the ring. It was like, when would he have to,
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: when could he, when is it smart?
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Like if did he, he had.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: No idea that they were going to end up in Rushville.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: He didn't know that the hologram was going to come
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: give that. was going to come give that notice. So,
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: you know, in our version, they, he doesn't have a
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: pocket dimension quite literally in his pocket. Like he has
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: to go to his house to go get that, that lantern.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: So no, it wasn't with him because he did not
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: know that that was going to happen.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: This came out of nowhere. Like it's like, we're just
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: always trying to figure it out. Yeah.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: And like this, it's a derivative of what we've been
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: talking about, about the process in the writing room. And
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: the reason why I'm asking that, because I just want
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: people to understand the complexities of it and the fact
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: that it's not just you just pulling out your ass.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: Like or I want to piss people off today. I'm
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: going to do this.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: Like we are on character and story like we're not
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: purposely trying to like. when we're grounding it, what we
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: meant by that, and at least what I meant by that,
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: is what is.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: The next logical thing that this character would do? Right?
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: So, even though the splashiest thing might be that he
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: would take out this ring and fucking make it carnival, like,
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: is that how Jordan would do in this moment, and
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: would it be the smartest thing for him to do?
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Like, that's what we mean by it.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: And so, you know, I really do believe that some
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: of that criticism is going to go away as it's
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: it's already started to last night when john makes the
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: construct of to dig the tunnel yeah but um i
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: think it's just going to continue.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: To go away well not to take us into formulas
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: and calculations behind writing but there is a rule in
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: three in comedy that says that we need at least
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: one more call car jump.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Just to make it work. Do you guys get another one?
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: I got to think about that. I don't know if
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: he gets another one or not. I have to think. Maybe.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like our question was like, maybe John will flip
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: it and he'll be the one to jump out of
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: the car this time. Is that something that we'll get
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: like a final call back to in some way?
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: That's funny. I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like, just help
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: do it again. I can't remember.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: I truly cannot remember if he does it again, but
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: I have loved the car jump. Like I have somebody today.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: And it said, it was a picture of Hal rolling
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: out of the car. And it said, if I send
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: this to you, no, I'm letting you handle this shit.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: On your own. The one I saw was it was
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a GIF of somebody. It was somebody else completely jumping
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: out of a car. And they were like, Hal's solution
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: to everything.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Jesus, Lord.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: This is why he has no friends. All his solutions
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: are to jump out of the car.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: You just go jump out of cars every time, friends.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: For every minor inconvenience though that's what makes it so
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: funny like i guess i just.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Gotta it's almost like cars out of gas.
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: Thing like it's almost like fill it up nah i've
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: done another one he's like grand theft auto and straight
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: through life boy.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: That'd be hilarious to be honest i love it Okay.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: One thing, though, the amount of seeding that y'all have
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: done and the reactions on the internet, which have just
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: been like, man, I've seen every theory ever. you know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: every character is related to the Green Lantern or one
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: of the cores in some way, shape, or form. But, like,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: some of the things you have dropped, you know, there's
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: a single shot of a black hole on the wall
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: with some lights in a particular configuration and, you know,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: bottles of mustard around certain characters and eyeballs turning red
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: in the preview shot, you know. Was all of this
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: intentional and did you expect all of these reactions?
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: Um.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Some intentional, some not.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Which ones?
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Do tell.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I liken it to Jordan, the director, where he did
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Get Out. And people, we have all these theories about, oh,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: the colorful cereal in the milk, he's separating it because
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: you don't want the people, the colors, and the whites together.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: And he was just like, nah, son, I just did
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: it because it was cool. I thought it was weird shit.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: So we're thinking, is there some of that with you?
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: But as I read some of it, I'm like, wow,
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: people are really paying attention. They're not on their phones.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Like that's what I'm coming away from it.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, we're not battling third screen on this.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Like there is, people are really paying attention. I will
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: say that some is intentional, most is not. But it's
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: been so, something that I think that has happened again
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: in the past like 15 years with like the influx
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: of superhero content is that people want to be the
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: person to figure it out. So everybody is looking at
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: everything with extra scrutiny because I want to be the
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: person who posted that I figured this out before everybody else.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: And I don't know, there's something really lovely about that.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Like that people are so intently watching things and so
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: deeply thinking about things. I do sometimes think that it
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: takes them out of the episode. And I'm like, you're
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: looking for something that's not there representing to you the
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: things that need.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: To be there. Like just watch. But the other part
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: of me is like, but I love how closely you're watching.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: So yeah.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: That's all I can say about that.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: So she basically said y'all doing these Mr. Fantastic stretches
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: on half this shit.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Some of it is not. Like, I've seen a couple
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: things that I'm like, gosh, y'all figured out the season.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: Like, how did you guys do this?
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: But then there's been others and I'm like, not even
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: freaking close.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: Like, it's not even close.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: But, you know, you'll see. Okay.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: You've said that the Green Lantern rings are sexist and
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: that possibly is that why Bernadette wasn't chosen? Because is
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: there more to the ring not being able to understand
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: what a Black woman can go through and that's why
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: we don't see Bernadette? Like, why did Senior get the
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: light and not Bernadette.
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: Bernadette seems like the real writer in the room.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: She's the real writer.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: And the Guardian calls her a formidable woman.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: So, the interesting thing is that we were kicking in
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: when we said that, and y'all do not understand the
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: way people have been like, don't you know about Katma?
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, yeah, I know that it's not really sexist.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Because, what? Yeah, like, so.
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: Yes, I.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Know that it's not really sexist. The point that we
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: were making as we were kicking was that Bernadette's a
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: bad bitch. We just like the fact that she is
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: so brave.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: That's it.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: But guys, Katma's out there. There are Joes out there.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: There are so many Green Lanterns.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm very aware of.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Them because, contrary to popular belief, I've read the comics. Wow.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I know them.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: You would think, you know.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Astonishing information.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: An executive writer on a show that, you know, involves
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Lanterns might have read a few Green Lantern comics.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe look at the source material.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but we really were just kiki-ing.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: And the thing that, like, the thing that we were
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: talking about and the thing that I feel like about
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: Bernadette and even maybe even the reigns choosing of, you know,
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: having to choose for the first time, because I've also
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: seen a lot of people say.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: You know, how could you say that this.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: Is Earth's first Green Lantern? Because there wasn't. I was like, yeah, well,
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: technically the first one was not, didn't have to report
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: to Ola. That was like, he was told by a
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: flame to go make his ring. Like, this is the
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: first time that it's had to pick in this way or.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: How it was the first time it had to pick
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: in that way.
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: So, for me, I just feel like after how Jordan
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: was picked, everything, even with the Guardians and how even
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: they're handling Jon Stewart, they're, they're having to reconsider because human,
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: not reconsider, but consider that earth is a little bit different.
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: So if the, if the ring is picking from earth,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: humans are not entirely like other species.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: And things that need to be taken.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Into consideration here are a little bit different. Again, we
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: were laughing, we were kicking, we weren't like, it wasn't like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: I didn't know that there were.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Women in the, but you know, It's like when people
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: tell us, you know, they're corrupting Hal Jordan. And I'm
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: like the same man who dated an underage alien, you know,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: or why about the man who blew up coast city, uh,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: killed most of the lantern core. Yeah.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: The next episode, it was clear.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: We didn't believe that.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: Like it was again, I think if you're in a
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: binge format, There's no time to be that upset and
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: to ruminate in that way. You watch the next episode
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: and it goes away immediately. We're not in binge format
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: and thank God for it because it gives people time
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: to talk and have these really, really great conversations that
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: show us a lot about ourselves and each other. But
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: I think as unfair as it felt, I think that
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: it was good because I think it gave everybody an
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: opportunity like, oh yeah, this is what television is when
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: you watch week to week. And you have to sit
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: and allow for character development and allow things to stew.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: And on that note, because this is one of the...
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: It's hilarious how we have seen these comments be on
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: both opposite sides. People have said Lanterns is anti-white, and
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: then they've said it's anti-Black. And we know that it's
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: neither of those things, obviously. But besides the fact that
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: people are having to sit and stew and think and
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: discuss things that they're not used to discussing... Why do
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: you feel that they're getting such, you know, extreme reactions?
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: I think the extreme reactions are because the world is
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: a bit wonky right now. And I think that in
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: the past, you know, 10, 15 years, we, well, I
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: won't even say that.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: Where are we?
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: 2026?
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Yes. That's like 10-ish years.
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: There's been so much going on in our world, in
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: our country, really, but in our world that, TV has
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: been largely used for escapism because I don't, there's a
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: lot happening. Can I just have a break?
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: And so our show is doing something that.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: Used to be a little bit more commonplace 10 to
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: 15 years ago prior to that, where we're saying, we're
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: making statements about stuff. We're not saying, and we're making
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: vastly different statements, right? Like when we're not saying that
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: this is what we believe, but we're having a character
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: believe this and a character believe that, and they have
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: the debate about those things. And we just haven't been
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: doing that much lately in TV. So I think this
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: show coming out in 2019, around the time Watchmen comes out,
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: obviously Watchmen was also, people had a lot to say
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: about that, but we were in the middle of a
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: moment where we were talking about that a lot more often.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: And so I feel like it's the way.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: That it's exploded is just because we're not talking about
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: these types of things as much anymore. And again, we're
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: not taking any hard stance on anything. We're just like
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: characters present the way they feel about things. And then
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: we got, they have to move through the world with that,
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: with that thought process and allow the world to either prove.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Them wrong or prove them right.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: But I think it's been a long time since we,
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: allowed characters to just kind of freely do that on television.
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: And when you see the characters and really the actors
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: behind these characters, when they're breathing life into your words.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Like, how are you feeling?
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Like, especially Aaron Pierre, like this man has been delivering
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: these lines, line at the line. And like, even most
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: recently when he said, Yeah. Must be making like that.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: That was chef kiss because like that just shows like
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: the dedication in the writing, but also in the delivery
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: of the writing. So when you have been watching back
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: these episodes or maybe you've been seen to all this,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: but like, what's like been the biggest revelation about John's
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: character that Aaron has shown you as an actor?
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: I think Aaron is so talented and so good, so sweet.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: And I love him dearly. And I think.
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: What Aaron is, I think what Aaron is giving us
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: is he's really the next superstar. He's just the, he
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: is the next superhero in every way possible. Like what
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: he does, that's not even necessarily going to be Jon
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: Stewart in the future. Like his, the next franchise, he doesn't,
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: like he is delivering what I think is some of
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: the best subtextual acting that I've seen in a really
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: long time.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: It's, it's not even always what he's saying. It's what's
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: under what he's saying. It's the way he cuts his eyes.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: It's the way that he like, It really helps them
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: having them colorful eyeballs. Like, it's like, you know what
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: I mean?
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: So I think Aaron, Aaron coming in with the dedication
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: that he has had, not only to the character, but
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: also to the nuances of the character.
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: Has taken what you write and you think is good
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: to great. And it's not because of any special gifting
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: that you have as a writer.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: It's because that you gave it to a gifted performer.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: One thing that we've been distressing and we always discuss
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: on For All Nerds a lot of times is how much,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: you know, copaganda there is out there. And especially with
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: superhero projects, sadly, a lot of it just falls into that,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: you know, supporting of copaganda, fascism, you know, when people
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: don't really examine these things. And so one thing we
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: wanted to do is really thank you, you know, for
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: making sure that a show about space cops is examining this.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: We even had to have to ask the question this week,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: you know, is this show copaganda or not?
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: We feel like it's offering at least, you know, making
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: sure that people question the idea of cops and police
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: and the systems and the institutions. And how important was
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: that to you?
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: Very important. And I can't say much more.
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: Hmm.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: Why? I hope that you'll be proud.
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: Vanessa, we was in the room with you.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I promise you.
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: We were sitting like this on the wall. We know.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: I hope that you'll be proud.
• 56:23
  Speaker 6: I think we was on the right track.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Man, that's beautiful.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: Even to varying degrees, also consider how. Which is Sinestro
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: killed a boss and he had to Turn Sinestro in
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: and that's still his guy. As complicated as that all is,
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: that's still his guy.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: And.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: As we live.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: Like, Kyle is brave enough to say, I don't trust
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: those guys.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: I think they're corrupt. And he's right.
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: And now the world has seen that he's right. Like,
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: I'm not even telling the Guardians what we're doing down
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: here because I don't trust them. Like, they don't... I
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: don't believe that... the commissioner is doing.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Is always right. So yeah, just keep watching.
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: And it's, that's probably one of my favorite things about
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: how is even if a person were to disagree with
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: what he believes is right and wrong, how only does.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: What he believes is right.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: And that's one of my theories and one of our
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: theories about it is that, you know, Sinestro has found
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: out something about the Guardians because, you know, it ain't nothing. Because,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: you know, look, the one that we know is trash.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I'll say it again and again. Can't stand a lying liar.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: So and I mean, she said, oh, you know, I'm
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: sending up reports on you. This man ain't updated his hologram.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: How?
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: I thought a meme or somebody like.
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: What reports is Al sending about John?
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: How it don't even look like he write good. Somebody
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: told me that, but I was dying laughing.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, no, we are, you know, happy for all
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: this and happy to see that because that is, you know,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: so beautiful because, yeah, I trust none of them. They
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: all liar liars right now.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: We've been asking and throwing so many questions at you.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: And so we have like a final larger question before
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: we go into our rapid fire questions. So just prepping
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: your mind for that. What sort of projects would you
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: like to take on in the future? Like we've been
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: talking this whole time about lanterns. Like this is what you,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: like where you're in the middle of right now, but
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: you have such an interesting like history of things you've
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: been doing. There's who, I'm sure there's so many opportunities
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: that are on the table for you right now. Something
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: that you possibly could hint at, something you probably cannot. And,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: you know, because we are who we are and we
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: have our own interests, are any of them possibly Pollywog related?
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: Not for me.
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: I was in the writer's room that it started for
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: season two of Why the Last Man and same for
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: Paper Girls.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: And I love doing graphic novels. I have loved doing
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: comic books. Dr. Lantern. i'm giving comic books a break
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: comic book fans are mean.
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: I don't like like i was like this card.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: I was like i'll send you a graphic novel you
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: know yeah but.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: I what i do what.
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: I think if i come back into the comic space
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: or the genre space i would do like yeah or
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: stuff like that, stuff that have much shorter runs that
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: don't have like the decades and decades and decades of
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: lore behind them. Not because I don't feel like we
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: did a good job, but because I understand that people
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: are so deeply attached to whatever volume i love it.
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah you might want to look at that graphic.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: You know i can send you a copy actually you
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: know you know since you know jimmy had limited.
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: You know so deeply attached to whatever version of the
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: character that they got when they were growing up or
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: when they you know first picked up that book um
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: and so for me i feel like.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: That you need to take a break.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Listen, I need to.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: Go to graphic novels that are shorter runs.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: If I'm going to continue to do, to do genre
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: in this way.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: Discussion shortly before this, I see you. We were having
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: a discussion before we started about video games and how
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: much like of a video game household.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: So that's something that's starting to like interest me a bit.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Would you do animated things? Like Arcane is kind of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: like video games.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: I think I would. It's a completely different thing. Yes.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: But I, you know, we were talking about before we
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: got on, like how I have a Pokemon and now
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: a Dragon Ball Z house.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: A very big.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: Also last year, I forgot to tell you guys this,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: this is a very big Avatar house. So my son
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: was Aang last year, like full bald cap in school.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: So cute.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: That's cute.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: So yeah, so we, that interests me in the future.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: But then also, you know, my OG stuff is.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: Like crime dramas. Crime dramas, yeah, yeah, yeah. Heists and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: stuff like that.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: So I don't, you know, I know some things that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: are in the future. What can be discussed is nothing.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: But some things are in the.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: Future that are in like in the crime world, but genre,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: I think I'm just going to lean more towards graphic novels.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: And obviously I'm a huge Brian K. Vaughan fan.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, to that, to that point portion, I would
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: love to see you in animated series. Like, I feel
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: like the golden age of animation, particularly the animation where
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: it's like, it might be a little above certain, certain ages,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: but it's like, once you really learn about the concepts,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: like you're like, wow, that was, that was raw.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Like that was fire.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: We talk about X-Men 97. Like I was just going
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: to say.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: So for, it was so exciting to show my son X-Men.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: 97 because yeah. Oh gee. Um, Yeah, I love all
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: that stuff. And I feel like that's some of the, like,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: but I don't know.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: I feel like that's some of the best ways to introduce, again, television,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: some of the best ways to introduce comic content to
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: make people who don't even have the knowledge or the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: ability or reason to get to a comic book.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: Store, right?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: Like, it's, you are taking those comics and you're able
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: to do what they're able to do to sell on
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: television and you're inviting them in to become your friends
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: the same way you would if you were able to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: go to a comic book store and go grab one.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: No, straight up. That is. Man, you know, just everything
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: you have said today has been amazing. You know, thank
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: you so much. And it's so funny when you mentioned
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Brian K. Vaughn, because one of the questions we didn't
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: get to was how I met Damon Lindelof, how me
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: and Tatiana met Damon Lindelof was. And I have another
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: one with Brian K. Vaughn, but how we met Damon
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: was at a Watchmen after party. And he's standing behind
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: the rope. He's like a few feet off from us.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: And I see him and I recognize him, you know,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: I was lost, you know, his God. So I'm like, Oh,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: it's Damon, you know? And I'm like, Hey, come over here.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: You know? And he walks over and I'm like, you know, hi,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I'm Ben Amin. This is Tatiana from For All Nerds.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, motherfucker, if you don't, if you fuck up this,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: what you've done, because, you know, I think I've seen
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: the first or first three episodes of Watchmen, so I
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: was like, fuck this shit up right now. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: He ran that man down. I love it.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: Well, that's how I found out about, I mean, you
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: guys know, Damon hit me.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: He was like, hey, my friend Ben wants you to
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: come on. And this is my guy.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm a personally vouch for this guy.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: Like, this is like, oh, good.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's how, it's so funny to me how
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: that is because, you know, we've become friends. And, like,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: the first thing, and he'll tell you the first word
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: out of my mouth was, motherfucker, if you don't, you know,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: because I loved it so much. And I was like,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: you know, and it was the same way I told
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Michael Green and him when I met them. Because I'm like,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: you have a responsibility. You know, you can't, you can't
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: kick open the door like this and not walk through it.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: You know? And so, and they walked through it on
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Watchmen and y'all walking through it on Lantern. So yeah.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you something.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: I love me some Damon. Like when I say I
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: love him, I love Damon. Um, a funny story. We
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: were sitting, it was actually the day we were filming
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: episode two and he came to set that day. And
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: I was both me and Monday were there for some reason.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know why normally we didn't do the same days. And, um,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: We were, I don't know how we got on the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: topic of it, but we were talking about him growing
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: up in like schools that were majority black.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: And he was like, yeah, they were like, oh, we're
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: talking about my son.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: Cause my son has, my son's name is not, it
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: is now a popular name. So now it's like one
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: of those names where it's like when you were growing
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: up as a Brian C, Brian A, Brian L. So
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: we were talking about that. He was like, yeah, when
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: I was growing up, there were, there were like three Damons.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: There was Damon C, Damon D, you know what they
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: called me? White Damon.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Because he's the only one I've ever met.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: I say I fell out. So now sometimes when I
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: text him, I'll be like, what's up, White Damon?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: I'm just calling you because I'm going to hit him that.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: On the next email. Oh, my God.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Damon the White.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: Damon the White. That's about it.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: Damon the White. I love it.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: I don't know, y'all, the way that that endeared me.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: I was already endeared, but the way that endeared me
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: to Damon. And my son adores him.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: Adores him.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: And so I put on Lost for him. He's in
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: the middle of Lost right now, actually, which he's obviously loving.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: And I don't know how it didn't dawn on him
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: until like season three.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: At the end of it, he was like, wait a second. Mr.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: Damon wrote this show?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: And I was like, yes.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: And so we stopped in the middle to start watching it.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: all over everything and he's like is mr.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: Damon famous now i was like a little bit yes
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: he is a.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Little in a certain sector when i see him i'm like.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: No i was like but i think it's.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: Dawning on him now so like he's seen like a
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: lot and he's like oh shoot mr damon is like
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: a big deal like yeah but.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: I i just i'm.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Same. No, like we, you know, I, and it was
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: so funny because I hit him up immediately after episode one.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, bro, you got to come back on
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: the show. You haven't been on since Watchmen. He's like, oh,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I've said everything I had to say. You know, I'm like,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: all right, well, I'm going to send you this Bradford
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: novel because you ain't got a copy of it. And
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like, once he reads it, I'm going to hit
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: him back and, you know, be like, got to get
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: him on. And then we saw episode three and I
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: was like, all right, Damon, you know, you got to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: come back on. But if not, you know, what's up
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: with introducing us to Vanessa? And he just smooth, you know,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: does the assist. He, you know, dodges the come back
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: on your show.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: He's like, oh, well, you know, hi, Vanessa.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: You know, that was Vanessa.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: Because of how everything was, I didn't want to do
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: any more press. I was like, anything that I'm saying,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: it's getting taken out of context. And I just want
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: to go sit down.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: I want to go sit down, let people enjoy the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: remainder of the series. I believe that at the remainder
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: of the series, everybody will come back to all the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: press and they'll be like, oh, I get it.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: Nobody's going to be as mad at the end. But
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Damon's like, this is my friend.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: He was like, this is my friend. I can vouch.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: And I was like, all right.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: See, like we're still, we're still friendly, but we still
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: gonna ask you the question.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: You know, stuff like that. Like, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: And we want, you know, it's like, that's, that's why
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: we wanted Damon back on because, you know, we know
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: we're going to ask questions that other people won't ask sometimes.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: And we just feel like these questions need to be
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: asked because they're being asked out there in the internet.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: And so it's like, you got to ask them and, So, no.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Damon. Thank you, Vanessa. You have survived the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Fall Nerds interview. You still have our Brat segment, our
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: rapid fire questions. Number one, Star Wars or Star Trek?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: Star Wars.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: Okay. What would be your starter Pokemon?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: You could choose up to three.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: First one that came to your head.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: The first, obviously the first one that came to my
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: head was Pikachu, just because you just need your guy there.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: You need an electric type there. Snorlax.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Good one.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: I know that's so strange, but he's just my guy.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: I like him a lot.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: It's actually a really good one.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: It could be any, it could be, it could be
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: any gender, but Snorlax in our house has a name.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: So we don't have a real Snorlax. It's a stuffed Snorlax. Anyway, there,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: cause there aren't real Snorlaxes, but whatever.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Um, One more.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: You got one more.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, one more.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Mewtwo.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: Ooh, I got to put out the big joker. Whoa.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: Because if you need a Pokemon, get the dude who
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: can get him done.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: My God.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: You can get anything done.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: You can have a sleepy person and somebody who can
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: take care of me when sleepy stops is sleep.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: That's like she brought out the nuclear option, Ben. Like, damn.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Straight up.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: Straight, okay.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: I have my pet. I had my sleepy guy, and
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: I had the one who could take care of everything
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: in between.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Big Joker. That's what she had.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: It is a big Joker, but also, I just like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: that Mewtwo's origin story, me, the origin story person.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: It's just a little different than everybody else's.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: I like that Mewtwo got to think about stuff sometimes, like,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: what are these other Pokemon doing?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, that's how they made Mewtwo's voice.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: Straight out of the shame barn.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: He sounds like he's like, you know, like being real
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: secretive about everything. He has an inner voice that's his
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: outer voice.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Which of the colors of the spectrum from the Lantern
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Corps do you most want to see?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: Do I want to see? Yes.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: I want to see red, but I think that purple's funny.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: I just like the fact that they all banded.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: I don't like it.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: We ain't in it.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: I just want to have compassion and be peaceful. Yeah,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: I just think that it's like, I don't know. I
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: don't know why I like them. But I would like
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: to see red just because I think of that.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: One, I just think that yellow's not already been done.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: But we understand what yellow is and where it's going.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: And we kind of saw pieces of it even in
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: the Ryan Reynolds-ness of it all. But I just think
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: that red is provocative.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I want to see that cat. The cat that's down
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: with the red light. That would do it for me.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: All right. The one, AT Aliens or Equimini?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, so you want my honest answer, it's Equimini. But
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: my honest answer is Equimini.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: It's offended.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not. For me, it's one of the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: greatest four album runs of all time. It really is.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I take, you know, yeah. On any given day, it
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: For me, it's Equimini, but I do understand... why it
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: is so hard for folks to pick.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: It was hard for me.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: You actually, so just so you guys know, ATLians was
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: not the OG song that we picked for that moment
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: in the episode. We had picked another song, and then
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: me and Justin debated, and that other song comes back
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: later in the season. But we all was like, Vanessa,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: it has to be ATLians.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: We went back and forth. I was like, you're right.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Is it still OutKast that you initially intended?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's still OutKast.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love it.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, that does lead to my other one. Why? Other
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: than being the greatest band of all time. Why?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: The greatest band of all time.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: We don't have to like, you know, like when, when
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: you get into rooms where like people are maybe older
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: and maybe are not hip hop fans or, or just
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: are not black, you'll start, you'll hear so much David Bowie.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: And then we go back and yeah. And all of that.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: And it's like, I love Bowie.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: It's that wouldn't, wouldn't take nothing from Bowie.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: But, being in this, like, I'm always going to have
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: Andre as my top three, in my top three, always
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: and forever. You're never going to have, he's never not
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: going to be in my top three. And so, I
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: got an opportunity to put my top, one of my
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: top three in there.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: Okay. I wish it was more, I wish it was.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: Sometimes that's just the answer. Sometimes it's just milk and cereal.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: We get it. And you got to put Chunky Fire,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: you know, so far, like, you know, it's not just
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: AT & T, you also put Chunky Fire, which is like,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: you know, it was like, come on, fam.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: Like, No, we get it.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: In episode four of Lanterns, when John and Hal tunnel
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: into that weapons room, Hal steps on a tile or whatever.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: What movie is being referenced there? Is it Set It
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: Off or Indiana Jones?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: Set It Off.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: And that was a buy by Brie Gibson.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: And when I.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: read her script when we had to come in and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: note it. There was like 17 check marks.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: I was like, bitch, you don't have to do it.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: She was like, there's a great movie. And we all
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: sit and talk about it. And yeah, it was great. Wow.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: We definitely, half of us thought it was Indiana Jones.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: You know, some typical step on the booby trap.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Wow. And then we thought it was even funnier if
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: John was referenced in Set It Off and Hal was
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: referenced in Indiana Jones.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: It was one of the moments that we were like,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: to the point.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: This is Howl's Not That. Yes.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: Howl's Not That.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. Yep. Because all them white people I grew
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: up with have watched that at all.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: And it is, in fact, a great movie.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: It is. Fantastic.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: It's a fantastic soundtrack, actually.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: One of the best.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: That.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: That era. Waiting to exhale.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: Waiting to exhale. And he did a baby face on it.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 6: New Jersey Drive.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Above the Rim.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, that era.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: Don't ever see my Space Jam soundtrack either. Oh, my God.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: High School High is crazy. Like, they're terrible movies with, like,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: incredible soundtracks in the air.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know what to tell you. Those soundtracks win.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: Win.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Magneto or Professor X?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Magneto.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Easy. Easy. I'm not going.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: To talk about it. Yeah.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Nothing more needs to be said.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: I don't have nothing against Professor X. That's my G.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: But Magnino had a damn point of view. And he
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: cried when his friend died. Still went about his business.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: But he cried when his friend died.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 6: Doug.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: Do you remember in the movies? Do you remember in
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: the movies? Which movie? Which X-Men was it when they
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: had the serum?
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: The Last Stand, I think.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And Rebecca Romijn became.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: And he looks over and he was like, and I mean,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: it's literally Rebecca Romijn's day. And he's like, and she
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: used to be so beautiful.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: That was that line.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: That was cold. I love that. He's a white woman.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: You guys, I love a complex character.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: Like I love a character that you're just like, Um.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: That's why I think Thanos was such a perfect villain
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: because he has a POV.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't think you should do this, Thanos. I don't,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: I think there are other ways.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: You were willing to put your own daughter over the
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: side and cry about it.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: You really believe in this shit. Could you make some
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: more food?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: He could have doubled the resources.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: No, because I want to eliminate half of the universe.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: I want to turn everybody into dinosaurs as always.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: It was very much like a genocide was done upon me,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: so I will do a genocide upon others.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I enjoy genocides.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: He's just like, he's, I feel like you could argue
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: your point with that character. You're not going to change
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: his mind, but he's going to have a rebuttal. And
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: I think those are the perfect characters and the perfect villains.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: Like they're not just doing it because they want to
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: take over the world.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: They're doing it because they really believe something. That's why
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: I fuck them. Okay.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: Uh, this is a, I don't know if you've ever
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: watched wrestling, you're a wrestling fan, but you know, when
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: they walk out and they got a theme song that
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: pops and you know, everybody turns up. If you walk
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: into a room any day and a song starts playing,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: what song would that be?
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: Don't believe her or not.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: My son is 10.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: And that is his walk-up song in baseball.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: Oh, really?
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: I just make it, we just do the instrumental.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: The kids are all right. That's all I got to do.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: I was going to say that about the kid, the
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: actors that got to do the lines and sing the
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: song during the show or whatever. I was like, oh,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: now they're putting on young actors. Now they know the joy.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: Now they know the joy.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Of outcasts.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: Yes, they do.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: From an era. And look at that.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: We're doing the Lord's work. Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: You're keeping the recipes.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: And we appreciate you.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: Yes. All right. What's your favorite superhero movie of all time?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, goodness. A movie.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: A TV show. I mean, other than Lanterns, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I was about to say Green Lanterns Episode 3.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's ours right now.
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  Speaker 4: My favorite superhero movie of all time. It's not a movie. Sorry, guys.
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  Speaker 2: That's fine.
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  Speaker 4: It's the OG X-Men that we used to watch on Fox.
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  Speaker 6: Fox Kids, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Understandable.
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  Speaker 4: It was just... That was the.
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  Speaker 5: we woke up and got all of our chores ready
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  Speaker 5: so that we wouldn't get in trouble and we could
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  Speaker 5: go watch that uninterrupted. Like if we had to go
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: do something that day, me and my uncle, I grew
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: up at my grandma's house and I'm an uncle who's
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: only six years older than me. And we would take
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  Speaker 5: the VHS and record it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, like, I bet we still have them. I
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: bet because my grandma still has all those VHS's.
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  Speaker 5: I bet we still have them. Like that was, that
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: was that for us. That was the not, you could
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  Speaker 5: not miss it. We were talking about it. We talked
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  Speaker 5: about it incessantly. Like we, that's what sent him to
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: the comic book store. And then as a result, I
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: got his comics when he was done. So that was,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: it just, it's a seminal part of my childhood.
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  Speaker 4: I like, I can tell you my, the first Iron
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: Man was perfect to me.
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  Speaker 5: Like, and I, as a writer, probably now I could
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: probably go back and critique it, but I just remember
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  Speaker 5: how I felt when I saw it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: Endgame, we went, my son was, what year did it
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: come out?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: 2019?
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  Speaker 6: Something like that.
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  Speaker 2: It was before COVID.
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  Speaker 1: 2019, yes.
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  Speaker 5: We wanted to see it at midnight. We bathed him,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: put him in his pajamas, brought a sleeping bag, got
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: the recliner seats at the theater, put him in between us,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: let his ass go to bed in.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: The trailer. So that we could watch it at midnight
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: with everybody else. We didn't have no babysitter.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Dedication.
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  Speaker 5: The funniest thing was, it was a Toy Story 4
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: that was coming out right after that. One of the
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: Toy Stories was coming out right after that. So right
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: as he's about to fall asleep, he just looks at
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: me and goes, excuse me, mommy, I think I hear Woody.
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  Speaker 5: And I said, okay, you can turn around for this
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  Speaker 5: one trailer.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 6: I love this. I love this so much.
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  Speaker 5: Um but like i remember there are touch points to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: all of those things that i like remember um that
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: i that i remember like obviously all the batmans i
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: like i recently just showed my kid all of the
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: uh rog batmans and believe it or not his favorite
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: villain is riddler like he just loved him i was
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: like oh i don't know that i would have thought
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: you would have said.
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  Speaker 6: That but um the jim carrey riddler yeah the jim.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: Carrey riddler i was like.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: Interesting. That's not where I thought you were going. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But I guess the touch point is always just going
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: to be being, you know, seven, eight, nine years old
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: and waking up to go watch.
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  Speaker 4: It came on at 11 o'clock.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: You still remember that?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: I remember because we had all of our stuff.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: And we always slept late because it came on Saturday
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: morning and we were always slept late, but we stopped
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: sleeping in late then because we wanted to catch it.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: Love that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: 1986, 2006, 2016, or 2026?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: What was I doing in 2006?
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: 1986, I was one, so I can't say nothing about that. 2006,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: I was in college.
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  Speaker 6: So, no.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out how to get.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: It like some chicken nuggets for cheap.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: 2016. My son was one. I started Ozark.
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  Speaker 5: That's when I was not one. So my son was
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: born in November of 2015. I started Ozark that March.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: So that was like when my writing career started. We
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: were in the middle of Game of Thrones. Atlanta was
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: coming out. Like I can just like remember all those
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: things and just being like, oh man, TV is exciting.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: And my life is exciting because I got a cute
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: little baby and a lot of things might work out.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: It felt like the whole world was opened up to me.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: So it's funny.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: All right. If you could have any one superpower, what
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: would it be?
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, guys, I've answered this question and I
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: wish that it was more of a moral answer, but
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: I want to be able to like see into the future.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: Because I want to know who wins the game so
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: I can put better bets. I want lottery numbers. I
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 5: want to know what flight is going to get delayed
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: so I don't get no ones.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: I want to know all that. And it's capitalistic. It
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: has nothing to do with anything important.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Vanessa.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 6: Welcome to the world of villainy. Thank you. Come join me.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: Is that villainy?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: How does this bitch know so much?
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: I call it reparations, but I'm just saying people call
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: it different things.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: Villainy, reparations.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: The people at DraftKings would literally shut it down because
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: they'd be like, how did she know that Michigan was
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: going to upset blah, blah, blah?
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 6: She's like, I'm her. This is what I do.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: They're not my superpower. I wish it was more of
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: a moral answer. I've tried, but I don't really care
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: about nothing but that.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: What's the, from Four Brothers when he's on the ice
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: at the end, he's like, I like the way you
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: do business. Like, that's... That's how I feel. I like
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: the way you do business.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: You can join. Let's join up, man. Let's hit these parlays.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Ooh, get back at DraftKings. Boy, I'm running them. Joe
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Bud and you will pay.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: DraftKings coming to my house.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: They're going to see if I know something that they
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: don't know. Because they're like, there's no way they're going
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: to get this far.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: They be like, inside of training?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: DraftKings are going to hate me, boy. They're going to
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: hate the day they saw me coming. Oh, my goodness.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, I think that's it. Vanessa, man, we
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: cannot thank you enough.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. This was fun.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. Please let the internets know where they can
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: find you at. You know, if you want to be found,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: I know that, you know.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: Professionally, how about that? Professionally, where can they find you?
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: The only thing I'm really active on is Instagram, and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: that's V.Kelly, V-B-O-T-K-E-L-L-Y.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: All right. And, you know, keep it cool. Man, we've
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: had to tell some of our own commenters, you know, lanterns, it's,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: you know, stirring up emotion. Yeah, man. To say the least.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: We understand the breakup.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: We're so lucky for it to be stirring up emotion.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: Because you can make a TV show and not done
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: them where you give it everything you've got and nobody watches.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: So we're lucky that it's stirring up emotion.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And we were discussing this last night. We feel
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: so blessed, you know, to be able to. It's just
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: like when we were doing Watchmen or Lovecraft Country, you know,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: it's so rare when we get to really talk about
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: a show like this and talk about all the things
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: surrounding it, you know. And so we're so blessed that
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: you created this and, you know, put this out into
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: the world. And we're so thankful for it because it's.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: driven all these conversations. We're getting all this different feedback
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: from people. People are learning, they're waking up, they're understanding better. And,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a beautiful thing.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: I thank you guys. Thank you so much. Just keep watching.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: Anything you have a question about, I promise.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Keep watching.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: I know you said no more press, but if possible,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: when it's all over, we might have to see if
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: you can come back around one more time.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: Just so you can say, I told you so.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: Walk by the frame and be like, told y'all.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: I told y'all. Love it.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: All right, everyone. Thank you for tuning in. We will
• 1:25:20
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• 1:25:25
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