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Exploring Places Forgotten: The Allure of Abandon Architecture · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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And we heard as clear as day, it was like a fist banging on the bed that we just
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come out of like, "Clear as day, like bang, bang, bang."
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You know that clear sound of somebody hitting on a metal bed for him?
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"Wow."
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Clear as day, and we've just been in there, we're back in, of course there's nothing in there,
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there's no animals, there's nobody else in there, and we were like, "Okay, it was so
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crutch."
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I think it's even now, do you remember the aside of it, you'll be like, "Yeah, that was
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horrible."
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Oh man, I got so many chills you telling that.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Hello!
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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all
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things.
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Spooky in the Pacific Northwest, and sometimes other places.
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Oooo.
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Yeah, that's right, we just went to Guadalara.
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We did, and today we're going somewhere else too.
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Maybe another country, we'll see.
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Interesting.
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We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight
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into our topic.
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Well, today is a little bit different of an episode, Caitlyn isn't going to join us the
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entire time.
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Oh, I know, she wasn't invited to this interview that I did.
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No, she was, but it was a little hard to schedule because our guest is in England, England,
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which fun fact, if you didn't know, there are eight hours ahead of the Pacific Northwest.
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So, it's a little hard to schedule.
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We ended up doing it at like my 9am, his 5pm.
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Oh, beautiful.
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No, but we got it done.
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Excellent.
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Since I had to go to work after it, we didn't really have time to do the tarot.
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So me and Caitlyn are going to do tarot at the end for Ben.
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I didn't ask him, I really don't know how he feels about tarot.
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So, Ben, if you're listening, if you don't, if you don't want the tarot, and you're like,
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no, then don't listen to the rest of the episode.
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Yeah, because we're doing it.
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So.
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Yeah, so we interviewed Ben, who is an abandoned place photographer.
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So cool.
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We found him on Instagram.
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I think I was like trolling you with one of his photos of like a doll in our stories.
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Oh, okay.
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That sounds like you.
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Sounds like me.
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And then also, I wanted to quickly show you.
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I want to get your reaction, because he talks about something later in the interview.
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Okay.
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And he made me look at it to get my reaction.
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And I was like, oh my god, I have to show Caitlyn and get her reaction to it.
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So I can like, I don't know if we'll keep it at the beginning and just like surprise people
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when we get there.
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Or if I'll insert your reaction in the middle, we'll see.
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Okay.
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It's fine.
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It's not like the anticipation is killing me or anything.
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It's not porcelain dolls.
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Okay.
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Well, that's something.
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So is it just a house at the beginning?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So scroll.
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Okay.
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This is an abandoned house full of fun surprises.
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Literally a full.
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When I say full, it's full.
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Like I don't maybe we'll get his permission to share some of these photos too.
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Oh my god.
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Or just link to it, but it is not insane.
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Is that like just a nightmare?
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Okay.
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So Cassie, I feel like yes.
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Technically, I don't see any porcelain dolls, but like they're definitely dolls in there.
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In the mix.
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Oh my god.
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That's a lot.
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That is a lot.
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There's some fun clowns like towards the end too.
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There's some skeleton clowns.
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There's a lot going on here.
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So that was interesting.
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That's the kind of fun stuff that Ben likes to take pictures of.
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Well, not that it's a high bar, but Ben is braver than I.
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Okay.
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I'm going to scroll through to the rest of these.
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Oh my god.
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There's just keeps going.
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Okay.
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Well, they are just piled.
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I'm picturing an avalanche.
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Like an avalanche.
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Like I would be equally fearful of an avalanche that would end my life in this situation.
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As I would standing on like on a mountain.
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I yeah.
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Right.
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Like, who knows what's buried under there?
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Could there be a person under there?
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Or worse, yeah, a porcelain doll.
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It crawls its way out of all the other toys.
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Oh my god.
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Cassie, I'm home alone all day today.
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Sorry.
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You are a monster.
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Apologies I have to drink.
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I have a bad throat at the minute, so I've got to keep drinking.
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So apologies.
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Oh no.
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That's fine.
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I have coffee because I literally just rolled out of bed.
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Amazing.
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What time is it there?
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9.20 am.
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I'm way ahead of you here.
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I don't like the morning.
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The mornings are terrible.
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And you're like, it's the evening there.
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Yeah.
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Twenty past five in the evening.
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It's already pitch black.
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It was horrible.
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Oh my gosh.
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Well, it's pitch black in my room because I have blackout curtains.
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There we are, both vampires.
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Which is why I don't wake up in the morning.
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Good.
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Yeah.
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So I have Ben with me today from Places Forgotten.
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That's the one.
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And you are a photographer of abandoned places.
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That's what I do.
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Just as a hobby.
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Yes, I've been called Worse.
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I got called a blogger recently and I'm thinking, I've never written a blog in my
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life.
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Where does that come from?
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I was kind of thinking the same thing.
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You sent me a little news clip of, I don't know if we're allowed to talk about it or
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not.
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Yeah, what you talk about that is fine.
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They call me a blogger and I'm like, I tell you I've written a blog in my life, but okay.
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I was excited.
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I'm like, okay, where's this blogger?
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I do.
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I want to read it.
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I feel like I'm holding out myself.
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So you're basically on Instagram and TikTok.
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Yes.
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For an app.
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Yeah.
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Hopefully.
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You know what?
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I hope we get it.
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It's like death row.
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I hope we get it last minute pardon.
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Yeah.
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Because a lot of my audience are in the saves.
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I think it will happen.
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I think Mr. Beast will buy it.
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Oh, I didn't think about that.
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Is the band not happening worldwide?
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Is it just in the US?
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I think it's just in the US.
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But it's interesting.
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I mean, I know we're weird over here.
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My last video is from 1.4 million.
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So I've really been kind of plugging that as much as I can.
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Yeah.
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But I don't want it to go because something like 60, 70% of my audience is Americans.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, Mr. Beast needed to make this happen in the next day.
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Well, we'll see.
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You know, I think it may be me and you.
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We should put our money together.
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You might think if they accept them though or, you know, like PayPal or something.
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Will they take?
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Actually, it works.
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Three cents because that's basically all I have.
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Well, I don't think I should.
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Maybe no one's offering me.
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I know.
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I think Mr. Beast will buy it.
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I'm hoping he does.
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Like it needs to be said.
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I think, no, it's not just that.
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Look, I think a lot of small businesses have stuff on there as well.
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That is true.
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I don't really see what point.
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I think there's worse since you could focus on the banning tick talk.
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A lot of people are going to say, oh, well, you know, it's destroying people's brains.
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Yeah, but if people want to switch off for an hour, that should be up to them.
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Yeah.
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You know, not everybody who's going to go and, you know, go to a bar or have a smoke or have
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a beer, you know, some people want to do that, you know.
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Right.
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So, there we are.
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If I want to kill my brain, let me do it.
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That's my argument.
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That's my argument.
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Well, so speaking of TikTok and your millions of views on the video, which video is it?
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Well, a lot of my videos, I'm very lucky.
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A lot of them have got millions on them.
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A lot of the funeral homes, my biggest one was the funeral home.
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I could talk about this without people.
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The funeral home is actually gone.
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It was in, yeah, it was.
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It was a funeral home with a pink car skit.
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And that was in King's tree in the Carolinas.
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And I just started with tick talk and I put it on the video and it was an amazing funeral
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home.
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It had like a pink horse in the back.
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I don't know if you saw it.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Pink car skit in the back of the house outside.
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How do I have to look?
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I saw the pink car skit.
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I saw a bunch of herses though and those were one of my favorite things.
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The place was this wide open and even the neighbors that drive past the look of you and they
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wouldn't care.
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And I remember I put the video up and I went to the, we'll call it the movies because you
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aren't talking to the Americans now.
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Not the cinema.
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And I remember I came out to use a little hour in terrible terrible patron and it was on
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a million and I'm like wow an hour and I think within a week it was on 29 million and I
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was like wow this is crazy.
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So a lot of my videos are too well.
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They normally hit between half a million and a million and two million.
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But my last four videos where I only got like in hundreds of thousands and then this video
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has been up four days and it's on 1.4 million.
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So I'm like wow this is actually the best video in like a few that I've done.
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But you know there's a damn thing that as well.
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So.
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Yeah you get noticed.
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Yeah.
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But the video's doing really well.
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Did you look into that case at all?
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I didn't look into the case.
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Yeah well I mean I'll quickly tell you though the woman that she murdered her parents.
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As you do.
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And she lived in the house with the bodies for four years.
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For four years.
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And then they were discovered.
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Yeah she was arrested and then they found the bodies in the house.
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She was arrested in October 2023 and she's now in jail and the house was that sim.
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So I thought why I really needed to do a video in here.
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So I got in and I documented it all and it's horrifying and now somebody complained that
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the video offended them.
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And I saw on the news yesterday that police were investigating this blogger who went into
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this house and I'm thinking well that's me but I'm not a blogger.
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And I would thought what was going to come over and you know put in the door.
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Oh my god.
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And I've had nothing so I'm like well they can't be that bothered you know.
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Yeah but like obviously you're not the killer right because they know that she did it.
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So like why would.
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What's the hard.
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And I was reading all the comments people writing on the news and they were like vile, despicable
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person.
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All this stuff about me and I'm like yeah that's fair enough.
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So.
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Yeah I guess I do see we get kind of get that side too because my co-host we do talk about
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true crime.
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She does all the research or it tells me about it.
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But they people think we're just like sensationalizing trying to make money off of like other people's
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crimes and doing the victims.
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But people are interested in it.
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Yeah.
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People are interested in it.
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It's like okay here's an example we have a true crime exhibition in London right now.
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I'm going to go to it next week and it's got stuff like how can I forget this the guy the
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great Netflix show with the the acid in the bodies.
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Dahmer.
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Dahmer.
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It's got like Dahmer's glasses there.
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Oh.
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And it's got like some of the barrels he used and it's got like Richard Ramirez's
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Clothes and I can't wait to go like I'm yeah he was a bit weird.
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Well they were with Ben anyway.
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So you could say well that kind of thing is sensualizing and making money out of it.
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But if people are interested and people are interested you know.
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Right we've always been interested in it.
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We used to do public hanging like come on.
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Exactly.
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I mean you know could you imagine that would be like a morning what are you doing this morning
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when I'm going to go to the public hanging and then I'm going to go and get bred for
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dinner you know.
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Right exactly.
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Is this that kind of thing in a way people want to see some macabre and some mysterious
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stuff.
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Yeah.
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And then you know so yeah so I'm I'm all for it really.
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I've been to the Zak Bagans' Museum in Vegas.
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How was that Vegas how was that I hear that I mean I really like it.
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It's kind of it's kind of icky though it's kind of like the same thing.
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He's got like murder - murderabilia is that what they call it.
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Amazing.
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Yeah.
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So it's interesting.
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Yeah.
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No I bet.
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I mean I have a human lung in formaldehyde on my on my counter. A human what?
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I have a human lung.
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Oh.
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I'm so you know I love stuff like this means that Bagans' collection must be amazing but unfortunately
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I'm not multi-million.
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Right.
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I'm not buying respect.
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I mean it could be amazing you know.
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Imagine having done this with glasses you know.
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What somebody had to do is when he was taken to the mall to just swipe them.
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I did on the same.
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Yeah.
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I mean he I feel like if you're if it was like the victims glasses that would be different
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that would be like icky you know.
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If it's the person who was doing the bad thing like let's look at their stuff and make
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money off of it who cares.
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Well exactly I'm all for it.
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Yeah.
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So yeah.
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So that was my last video but that's doing quite well.
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People seem to like it and people are like oh it's really disrespectful you can take it
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down.
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No I'm not.
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Yeah.
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Because most of the people find it very interesting.
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So how do you get into these places?
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You know what a lot of people have this thing of oh yeah you know breaking and entering 9.99
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percent of the time.
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These places are open if you just want to be creative and you can climb.
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I'm very going to climbing.
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So I go to some funeral homes and I'll be like right well all the doors are locked.
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But I can get in a top window that's open and then I have to jump down into the mortuary.
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So a lot of places are open or if not if it's closed local kids will open it.
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But mind you there are some places I've been to that just are not open and I've never
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been able to go inside and that's just the way it is sometimes.
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You're not like taking a crowbar with you and like you know a lot of the Americans are fully
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admitting this and they're like yeah I don't care but no I don't do that just purely because
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I'm British and if I get caught in America doing that I don't really think you guys would
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like it too much.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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Unfortunately but no but luckily I get given a lot of spots that were already open.
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Have they been opened by somebody else possibly but I get there and it's open that's what
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I know you know.
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Yeah just checking doors.
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Yeah checking doors and to be fair I've done some really good funeral homes and literally
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I've tried every door window and you sometimes just find a door window that's open and it's
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like oh wow that was easy.
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So I did one in the in the carolinas in July and the door was just open and I didn't know
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that it shut and they were actually going to put it off a sale.
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And it was in that in period and I was in there and I wanted to go back and get my pictures
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in the environment room and then the owner and his wife came in and I was like oh the
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panic and they kind of stormed in and I was like you're Richard.
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I've been here so long waiting for you and they're like who's Richard I'm like oh I thought
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you were Richard I thought you were the real estate guy I heard this place was the sale.
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I didn't even know it was going to be for sale I just made this up and then they were
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like oh no it's going to be for sale but not yet but how did you find out and I did just
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think of my feet and they kind of up giving me like a whole tour of the funeral home had
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no idea that actually been in there for like an hour taking pictures of video I was so lucky.
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That's hilarious.
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It's like doing improv.
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His wife was like you know she's seeing open door you don't walk in and I'm thinking you
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can't tease me with a funeral home with an open door and I'm not think I'm going to come
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in.
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But he was really nice.
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I actually I actually felt really bad for lying to him but I was like oh yeah I put in
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the offer definitely I'm sure he told it by now it's all good.
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Yeah it went to what was supposed to go to and you got cool photos.
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Exactly so it's all good but it was a really good funeral home to be fast so I was okay.
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My first instinct probably would be to be like I'm a ghost.
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Yeah but a sheet on my head.
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I'm not here.
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That's real.
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Absolutely yeah so yeah that was recent but I just try and be careful I don't want to run
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into neighbours.
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Neighbors can be worse than owners sometimes.
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Yeah.
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Even though I think what we're going to do with you might your own business you know.
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So yeah but no nine times I'm pretty good because I'm English.
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I remember I was trying doors at this funeral home and I'm literally like pulling on
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a door like I was going to give way because it was just real and then this girl like comes
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around the corner and she's like can I help you and I'm like and I had to make out I was looking
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for my drone on the roof and her dad got a ladder and we're looking for this non-existent
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drone on the roof that was not on the roof because I made it up and I'm like oh I thought
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this place was abandoned he's like oh yeah we're going to reopen this so we've been looking
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to reopen here for a couple of years and it's one of those you know it's never going
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to reopen.
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And I'm like oh I knocked like how do you know I was here he goes all the neighbour called
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me and said that somebody was trying the doors and I'm like oh right I'm thinking what a
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snitch.
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But could you imagine if I was in there I'm looking for my drone in the environment room.
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Inside yeah I accidentally do it into the window.
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Yeah it's into the environment room.
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Yeah silly me so yeah so you've got to think on your feet I think being English helps
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right.
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Very touchwood but all the owners are going to see this video and be cursed you can shake
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an FS like I knew it.
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There is this place I've been researching for an episode that's here it's called Oculus Anubis.
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Have you heard of it.
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Is it in Oregon?
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Yeah it's not like super well known.
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Well I haven't heard of it what is it.
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So I don't know if it's abandoned technically I think some people still live on the property.
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I don't worry about them.
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It is they have right don't worry about them but they have like cameras there.
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Also they're apparently like bankrupt so did the cameras work I don't know.
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A lot of cameras you know for a show and you'll know if they work and not because if you hold
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your phone up to them if you don't see a red light.
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Yeah that's a good good tip good abandoned place tip.
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So what kind of place is it.
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So it is no one I mean no one really knows it's kind of like an unfinished property it was
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supposed to be like a big mansion with like underground tunnels and stuff.
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The reason it's like so noticeable so the front is like this huge gate like arch gate with
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like lions in like two pyramids that used to like have fire they don't have fire anymore.
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There's quite a famous entrance isn't it like a like a bit of a movie layer.
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And it's in like a small town near Portland and it's like in a residential like neighborhood.
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So it's like kind of interesting if you stumble upon it like obviously all the teenagers
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are like ooh what's this you know.
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Has anyone got any options.
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People have yeah.
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All you can see like download there's like a long road from the gate and then there's this
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big statue it's like an Egyptian statue.
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And so automatically I don't know why but people think like it's a cult it's like satanic
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because the Egyptian is satanic for some reason.
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I don't think the Egyptian is less than that.
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What I remember studying at school right it's weird it's I don't know why people think
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that but because it's so secretive and private and like shady stuff is going on.
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People think they're like a cult or like human traffickers because of like the tunnel thing.
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Yeah all of that.
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There's like a unfinished like mansion there's other weird statues all over.
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It could it could be like child trafficking and all sorts there.
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I mean I freaking hope not.
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Yeah I look into this when we come off the call that sounds cool.
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So let me know if you ever try to try to sneak on.
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Yeah.
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But people have been apparently chased out and stuff so I don't know if you if you want
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to try that.
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Yes I'm honest to be really scary.
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I mean I've had a run in with an owner in Illinois that was horrible.
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Some owners can be really scary to us.
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It was a it was a funeral home and the guy he'd actually lost his license because he was
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rather than giving ashes back to the families he was giving back kitty litter.
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That's awful.
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So the guy lost his license.
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I happened to all the time so he lost his license.
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So I rock up to the funeral home at night and I'm like this could be great and I find the
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the environment room that was separate from the main the main house and it's got the
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houses and the garage is from like are this could be great and I booked my motel two minutes
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away and I managed to get in the environment room and I'm like I'll call it nice cloud everything's
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good and I go back the next morning and I turn the corner and the
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the car's there and I'm like what where did this car come from and this was like 630 in
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the morning and then like the guy comes out and he's like oh hi can it helps you and it's
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the owner and he's wearing the funeral home business t-shirt driving the funeral home business
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and I'm thinking hang on a minute you've like been outed for doing the terrible stuff.
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You've lost your license.
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The sound probably hates you why you still here I would have left and this guy is still
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kind of you know wearing the funeral home gear and he's like oh were you here last night
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because I'd open the door for the prep and I opened it a little hard and it was like that
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that mess you guys have and it completely like broken on like a doesn't matter it's a band
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of the band and it had glasses well and a glassful smash and I'm like oh it's flying this
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is abandoned anyway and I don't man it's all been swept up and I'm like no I'm just
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cutting through and he's like no you were definitely here last night were you here last night
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you were looking around and this guy was like ready to lay hands and he was only like probably
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like 30 something and I thought this is going to be really bad like this is really he's really
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angry and I just basically said look I've no idea what he was talking about I'm just cutting through
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I said I thought you'll build it really interesting I thought it was I don't know I made
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up from rubbish Victorian era or something and and then I just left and he was like don't
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you film me don't you film me I got my car and I was like why didn't I just leave the minute I
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saw that car on the drive why did I keep venturing in here you know what was I gonna expect I'm super
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though but I just I was so surprised because I thought why are you still here you know like if the
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whole town hates you've been exposed for that why haven't you kind of high-toward an out of here you know
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money maybe yeah owners owners can be a bit sketchy yeah I'd be worried especially like in
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America with guns yeah yeah exactly I've never had touch with I've never had that happen thank goodness
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I don't really like doing houses because houses I think you're more likely I've got friends on
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Instagram who just do houses on their look amazing I don't I don't know I like I always think
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with like hospital sooner homes you're better off than houses creep me out because you know I've been
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in you know Missouri and stuff and I've seen houses with broken windows like something out of an
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apocalypse film walked up there's somebody living in yeah you know we're like all the dogs running
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loose and it's just I just feel there's enough houses are kind of a bit more of an invitation for
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trouble you know yeah and a gun as well a shotgun you know you can imagine like you know cleetus
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running out with a shotgun yeah exactly that's what I picture for sure but that's why if you know
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what I'm so lonely easier because you're not really gonna be anybody and everybody that's been in
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there is most likely dead so you're okay right well speaking of meeting people have you ever met
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anyone who is not alive anymore a ghost I've had some weird stuff go on I mean I've done I've done
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a mortuary in Paris that still had brains and stuff in it they left a brain behind it's on my
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TikTok and like bones and liver and lungs whoa just left behind and just that's creepy and that
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was really that was really creepy and then recently I did a funeral home in Alabama that was
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Terry had such a dark energy to it it was horrible I couldn't wait to leave but I was on my own
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oh that's here he went over for a week then and I did a funeral home in Bama Georgia and Pensacola
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and I did them all on my own like it's great fun but the one in Alabama was horrible and I did
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one in Jacksonville where the guy was story the bodies and he didn't have air conditioning and he
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just left him rotten oh god I did that with Marion if you want to look it up it's the Marion
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Graham watery okay and the police raided it and they found the bodies and that that was a horrible
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energy in there as well there was like noises and everything it was so bad man yeah I don't know
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whether you'd actually like to experience these or whether you're okay seeing them through TikTok
24:39
all these are on TikTok vote but then the energy in some of these places is horrible like
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asylums in Europe where they like experimental them patients and stuff they're horrible as well
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yeah I feel like those would have the most like strong energy in them as asylums yeah like
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um me and my me and my friend David we did an asylum in Italy a few years ago now this place
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was huge they used to abuse the patients and stuff it was like a proper asylum like something
25:05
like an horror story now this place was so hard to get into it took us hours to get in because
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it was like a fortress oh wow committed yeah we look yeah we looked round every floor every room
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make sure nobody's in there there's no animals there's no nothing and all of these have like metal
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beds where they used to chain the the residents the patients to the bed and we photographe and I
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still remember this still gives me sure shivers that my spine we we photographe this one room and
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it had like the shoes and it the clothes the bed but we left that room literally went out
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went to the netrooms and we heard as clearest day uh that it was like a fist banging on the bed
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that we just come out of like clearest day like bang bang do you know that clear sound of somebody
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hitting on a metal bed frame wow clearest day and we've just been in there we're back in of course
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there's nothing in there there's no animals there's nobody else in there and we were like okay yeah
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it was so crutch I still think to David now do you remember the asylum and he'll be like yeah that
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was horrible oh man I got so many chills you telling that yeah yeah so that was amazing um the
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funeral I'm in did an Alabama um I was actually I did it recently and I was on my on my on face
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fun to my friend Jen in there and I was in the prep room and I said love this place is horrible
26:26
and literally oh it always gives me shit as well she kind of took a step back and I literally saw
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somebody behind my shoulder I let back and I was like okay I'm gonna go now and I just got my photos
26:37
and she said look get the coffins get the car get the casket photos and I just left hard out there
26:42
it was like it was horrible and half the building was in complete darkness so I was having to go out
26:47
to do the casket just with a torch and I'm on my own and I'm like there's definitely something it
26:53
is so weird you can't explain it that's the thing you know like a lot of youtubers would be like oh
26:58
a demon chase us out sometimes you don't know what it is but you know that there's something that's
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there with you and it's just creepy do you have any kind of like protection like charms or talismans
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or crystals or anything that you bring with you no no no I've never I've never I just go with my
27:15
torch my phone because I only film with my phone oh wow let's go with a torch from you take all
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the photos with your phone yeah and my video yeah yeah wow yeah I've never had a camera
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a leg and wrong I think some cameras would be amazing but I think you know you've got to say that
27:31
you need tripod and I think phones now will probably just as good as some cameras so yeah I just
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see our pretty good I'm a photographer though so I'm all like there we are gotta have my camera yeah
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yeah yeah yeah yeah I've got a tripod for my phone so then I want to take a picture of me like on a
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slab I can do it but yeah no I take them on my phone that's cool yeah easy you're really good thank you
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thank you I just self-informed I just like I might take 100 photos in the place and use 10 but yeah
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that's exactly yeah yeah yeah that's oh it's a photographer thing it is it is but I've got
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prints as well and then my prints came out pretty good I framed my I've got some prints framed in my
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wall and some people buy my prints nobody's actually bought a print since July last year so I need to
28:16
start putting that up on my insor store as they look by some prints you know support the starving artist
28:21
do you have a website yeah it's my dark room yeah dark room okay nice we can link to that too if anyone's
28:27
interested yeah the prints are like five dollars oh okay but nobody's brought one since July and it's
28:32
so annoying because those people add to the basket and they don't check out and I'm like just check out
28:37
I got like a dollar of print you know but hey if I'm 10 that's you know that's that's breakfast
28:45
a waffle house so yeah by prints everyone decorate your walls my walls blank behind me I need to get
28:50
some stuff on there do you ever feel like you're in a zombie apocalypse when you go to these places like
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do you just kind of pretend that the rest of the world is gone and you're the only one there I tell
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you what so so I was in Japan last year for work and I went to Fukushima whoa you know Fukushima
29:09
where they had the radioactive disaster yeah wait is it safe oh well I'm perfect yeah look a lot
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of people now moving back so you're good okay so just like a little radiation have you seen the
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last of us yes it is just like the last yeah I don't think people understand right you've got
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entire towns and it's even got the cars left the keys in the ignition you go in the stores it's got
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everything the register the money in the register everything on the shelves the hospitals are like
29:37
untouched with like grass you go in the casinos everything it's it's like the best
29:43
cervix in the world but yeah it's literally like a zombie apocalypse you go in these hospitals that are
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like 15 floors huge everything I don't know if you're sitting in my postman everything is
29:52
as left completely like they just walked out well they did yeah they had to you still got all the
29:58
people like false teeth on the side and like they're closing the wardrobe dude tell us amazing that's
30:03
so creepy yeah you've been have to look at my post on Instagram got some of the hospital
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on there from Japan I did look through like a few things yeah I really do like I like I got stuck on
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like the horses and stuff because those are my favorite ever yeah I just want to drive one yeah I
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think it's such a shame a lot of the funeral homes have herses in the garage in this one what a shame
30:24
I'd love to drive one I would just take it and just drive it as my everyday car uh-huh me too yeah
30:29
I would I've got a friend on Instagram Katie from Boston and she drives a hers so cool she's my
30:38
idol now yeah yeah yeah she's into the funeral homes I think she's got a calf skin in her in a house as
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well whoa I think she's headed to a table so that would be cool that would be cool we were giving
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all these ideas now what is like the weirdest thing you've ever found left in an abandoned place so
30:57
in Paris I found brains liver lungs and and the brain and the brain was just on the side just
31:05
like just out obviously for research is it in the jar that a brain no it's out
31:10
what that is so he stole it though every really annoyed me I went back two years later and then I went
31:16
back again somebody is sold in it I'm like ew I would have had that ew um and then I did this funeral
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home recently in cop county and that made the news because it was like 35 boxes of ashes that
31:29
had a fetus in a jar oh that a fetus apparently apparently I stole the fetus I'm like no I didn't yeah
31:38
so there's that a lot of things you find is uh human remains lost human remains boxes of
31:43
remains ashes all the time all the time all the time all the time with their names on the stuff
31:49
yeah but in a way you know if I'm doing a few more home and there's remains in them like oh
31:53
his remains of dolly you know hey dolly you know I'm not alone you know dolly is there with me oh that's
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sweet okay um don't I do that I mean there's always like death certificates you got the
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herses with the keys still there which is crazy you were trying to start it and see if it works
32:09
oh the time all the time yeah yeah I tell them but they never turn on it's really this is what I'd
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love that imagine if that turned on um death certificates you know and personal property of people
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that have passed um yeah to find these keys you know cars with the keys and stuff and then some places
32:27
at least you just like everything's just left even even when I have done houses you know you even
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got like a cereal on the on the kitchen counter like the clothes and the wardrobe and the kids toys
32:37
on the floor and it's like people just went up in a puff of smoke you know vanished yeah
32:42
creepy yeah I feel like I've come across some of your photos with like creepy dolls have you
32:48
you've had those in your photos right yeah yeah so I did a house in Spain in April 2022 that did
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really well on TikTok and the how the woman they collected dolls and it was just four thousands
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of dolls oh god how amazing thousands and then I did a house in Liverpool England in in July or
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beginning of August this year and the woman they collected soft toys like plus keys and I don't
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know if you're seeing that post head to ceiling every room and you couldn't even move head did you see
33:19
that post I don't think I have yet I'll have to go look at it yeah you have your phone now I just want
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to see your reaction yeah on Instagram right or is it TikTok on Instagram yeah on on Instagram now
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you see the house there with like the pyramid roof yeah click on that and then swipe through the
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pictures dude oh it's crazy and I went I got given the pen and I thought oh it's just
33:43
house and toys I had no idea it was like that you can see that's insane right yeah oh my god yeah
33:51
that was a bedroom you had to go through that to get to the bed this is crazy my co-host like
33:55
hates dolls and stuff I'm totally gonna show her this yeah I mean could you imagine living that
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no it would be like I I love dolls and stuff I have like a bunch above my bed I bought like a creepy
34:08
Ann Bell doll but this many eyeballs staring at me all day yeah yeah that's so pretty yeah but that
34:17
was pretty crazy but I mean if it comforts you I imagine it comforted her maybe she really just
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liked the company yes exactly exactly so that was did any of the dolls ever like blink at you or move
34:30
no but I do walk into the house and they'd all like be falling on top of them they're trying to
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like save me yeah and then you'll be stepping on some and they start playing the music and dancing
34:39
and stuff oh that's just literally like the horror film yeah it was great though it was really good
34:44
did you get videos of that yeah it's on my TikTok oh yeah gonna go check that out too
34:50
that's okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's really good it's called Helen's house the lady
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called Helen lived there apparently she was sound dead Helen surrounded by dolls I don't know
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how true that is that would be so sad for the dolls I know like our owner is dead what do we do
35:06
is there anywhere that's like on your dream like list a place that you really want to go I like to go
35:14
to China one thing I want to do is I don't know if you've seen it you've got the abandoned space
35:20
rockets in Kazakhstan no it's like an entire side of like space rockets like as in rural life
35:29
but you it's something like 24 hours to get to Kazakhstan because you have to go via somewhere else
35:35
and then you've got a 27 mile walk through the desert together wow okay that's a long walk
35:42
yeah and you can go and I think you can still see it but people have been getting caught and
35:49
I don't know it look if if I could get there realistically then I would go but
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I think it would take me about two weeks and I've got no one wants to do it with me right um so I
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just like jumping up and going to the States like I was in the States for a weekend not long ago I just
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I went on the Saturday morning and I came home on the Monday night
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well just to do like grease spots and I was like yeah I flew to Orlando I woke up 4 a.m. I drove to
36:14
Alabama and I went to Georgia to Cobb County did that one the next morning and the next night I flew home
36:20
that's crazy just for fun yeah yeah I'm just so hobby I don't make any money from it really yeah
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if I make any money it goes straight away I don't profit from it at all you know right I mean I feel
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it we're kind of in the same situation with the podcast that's why that's why people need to buy
36:37
prints yes just help help out listen to the pod buy prints help us out with our hobbies I see a big
36:43
big surge in traffic now in dark room I hope so I hope so be too good to have you ever been anywhere
36:50
in the PNW so like you said you haven't been to Oregon but what about like Washington, California, Alaska
36:57
I have I've been to California but not for our bags I haven't been to Alaska I've been to Washington
37:03
okay Washington Washington was really good I did a couple really good hospitals there
37:10
so that was really good that was really really good hospital that had like thousands of infant or
37:14
topsy certificates left I've actually got one framed in my kitchen Washington is nice
37:20
but I haven't done I like I don't think there's a lot in Alaska California there's a couple of
37:24
bits but not masses but I haven't been to California for a long time but I like Kelly just the
37:29
traffic was horrible right yeah yeah but I liked Venice Beach I thought was very cool oh nice
37:37
that's that's places I need to get to really yeah you got to come to Oregon it'll have me there's a lot
37:42
of ghost towns here I do hear that I do hear that yeah I got I know some people that have been
37:47
organs on my back and this I want to do the Goonies you see just for the sake of it yeah well you have to
37:52
you knew the tour yeah do the goon you still yeah and they have the museum thing now yeah with the
37:57
prison right yeah I knew it's in the old prison I'm sure good fun was there anything else that you
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wanted to bring up or talk about no I mean you know I think we've covered about the spooky places the
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funeral homes but yeah no I'm back to the state soon I could do some more funeral homes
38:15
and those are my favorite the best people always say to me oh you're not sick of doing funeral
38:22
homes you've seen one you see them all absolutely not no because you've got all different kinds of
38:26
funeral homes you've got all different looks of prep tables in some of cascets some other
38:30
verses so no I never get bored of doing funeral homes at the best because we don't have them in England
38:35
you don't we have more trees and we have like funeral care but it's like a little shop and then you've
38:41
got like a room out back but we don't have the big funeral homes like you guys have you know with like
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the chapel and the cascets and the bureau room the barmer room and the cars you know what if I
38:50
watched the other night happens to know it's really young did you ever watch my girl yeah I think
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that's why I like like funeral homes and stuff yeah and I remember looking watching it the other night
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and I was like that's a really nice funeral home and I was like that's the cool environment machine
39:04
you know because I've got an environment machine in my apartment and I think I've probably
39:09
where I got the interest from when I was a kid like wow that's in your homes school you know
39:13
the film she's afraid to go to the prep room I'll be straight down there you know straight up
39:17
there's nine times at 10 they're always in they're always in the basement yeah so you get into a
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funeral home and the first thing I do is write prep from my goodness you the prep room look for the
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door that's got the sign saying soft only keep out for my life danger the sick couple but they use
39:32
the environment fluid and you open the door and in a split second you're going to think this is great
39:37
or not you know I did a funeral home in Michigan in Battle Creek last year and it was amazing it was
39:44
huge it was light everything was in there but somebody had taken out the environment tables I was
39:49
sorry and there was two they were like head to heads I was really disappointed because I was like
39:54
this place would have been perfect so you know they're not all amazing some of some have got
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metal tables which they hey but they're just good fun I like them they all have drains in the floor
40:04
oh drains here but why is this when you go and they grip the table up and you're like that's right
40:09
what a bit because it's got the drain man yeah yeah but nine times out of 10 they're pretty good
40:15
they're pretty good so well you'll have to let me know if you ever do one in Oregon
40:19
absolutely we'll go and do the greenie yeah maybe there's a funeral home around there we don't know
40:25
well it's actually I'm sure there is this is I'm sure in useful time there definitely it yeah
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definitely you're gonna be posted yes definitely all right well that was so cool thanks for
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reaching out and wanting to come on and talk about this stuff oh you're welcome all right you have
40:43
a good day you too have a good night thanks Cassie bye bye
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41:46
okay well do you think tarot would take your mind off the dolls a little bit I hope so
41:55
oh so we're using my crow deck I don't know I didn't have like a deck that like screamed abandoned
42:02
places but my crow deck seemed like I don't know I think that's I think that's a good call are there
42:09
crows in england then let us know yeah I think so does england have crows I just think it fits for me
42:19
because like abandoned places especially this one that we've been scrolling through the photos up
42:26
there's just so much stuff yeah and crows they like to bring you presents so they do they like shiny
42:32
things they like trash they like to eat trash so yeah so I would just hope that none of my
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girlfriends would bring me any porcelain dolls and then and then we're good really really stuck on that
42:45
um my dream is to have crows bring me like a porcelain doll eyeball because it's like little enough
42:53
it's shiny how cool would that be oh oh I can't wait to be a forest which okay
43:01
hey so we're thinking about abandoned places send me your send me your energy specifically right now
43:09
cuz like I feel like that where is that would you ever go to an abandoned place I mean it depends
43:20
on the place but yeah I don't have anything against a location or a space just based on the fact that
43:28
it's abandoned right actually kessie we kind of well you weren't there but I kind of have been to
43:35
an abandoned place with criss we went to tunnel 13 oh that's true yeah yeah you did and I should say
43:43
too I don't think we said in in Ben's interview but like don't trust fast um yeah we're just we're
43:50
listening to his story his experiences he's his own person he does what he wants to do yeah um
43:56
we're not telling you guys to go and find places that are abandoned to like trust pass on just because
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they're cool absolutely I just want to make that absolutely no I think what I think what is the
44:07
episode two it goes all the way back to episode two it's dick road don't be a dick just go as far as
44:14
you're allowed to go um but if you do go further you can always write it to stories and do what's safe
44:22
and reasonable yeah yeah don't put yourself in danger and we definitely talked about it too in
44:27
the interview like there can be people yeah I'm sure like all kinds of things that can present
44:34
some challenges and some dangers so yeah you know just to be cautious of that don't be silly
44:41
and danger but yeah speaking of I probably wouldn't go to like in a band-in-place if it had like no
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trust passing signs all over it because like we said it before and I I realized I sound like a
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hypocritical sometime because I say I'm a sucker for rules but like rules like that that like makes sense
44:57
you know yeah I think rules like no trust passing but makes sense to me it's not my property so like
45:04
I can respect that kind of rule if the rules don't make sense to me and they're like unnecessary
45:09
then I'm like fuck rules I hate rules yeah yeah like don't buy your own tarot deck that kind of rule
45:15
I just realized I'm always like fuck rules and then I'm like I'm a sucker for the rules and I'm like I'm
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I'm a paradox well I do think you know part of being an adult and part of being you know somebody who
45:30
exists in the world as an adult is learning to decipher what you think has value and there are
45:39
rules that make sense to keep you safe or that you feel like makes sense to you and then there are
45:44
rules that um you know some asshole made up so right exactly I'm glad we cleared that it's been
45:53
bothering yeah okay so I'm gonna kind of I feel like it needs to be at the bottom of like kind of the
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thick stack down here yeah like basically where your pinky is kind of pull everything out here your
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other pinky oh this yeah this way there you go yeah yeah yeah okay so like the bottom of this one
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or the top of this one I think the top of the other yeah this one we got woohoo we just didn't
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we just get oh this is eight we got the eight of swords in reverse and this kind of definitely
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looks like an apocalypse jixie in here that would make me abandon a place wow it's like a crow tied
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up in like a red scarfit looks like yeah eyes are covered there's a bunch of cool there's eight
46:43
swords around them I can't tell if that's just like the sky like the sunset it kind of looks like
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the sunset through a bunch of clouds it does yeah but it also kind of looks like a mushroom cloud like
46:54
apocalyptic scene you know wow interesting okay it is swords in reverse okay the eight of swords
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our keywords are entrapments self-unduing fear helplessness bondage denial and deception dude so
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that's that's ringing a bell for you it this is kind of crazy yeah okay it's just reminding me of
47:23
something specific that we talked about in the interview oh okay okay like kind of creepily yeah
47:30
no this is like it's all coming back you know oh I mean I don't know I know and I'm gonna have to
47:39
tell you okay well so one of the places that he went into was an abandoned place where
47:45
prison uh no not a prison it was a house where a woman murdered her parents and like I think wrapped
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them up and like had them in a closet for four years oh so I'm like and you said like entrapment
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well and think about the imagery of the card bondage yeah they're all like wrapped like it's wrapped
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up and it's like inside of the swords oh that's creepy okay in many decks the eight of swords
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shows a person bound and blindfolded ringed by a prison of swords dude it's like making me want to
48:23
cry feel so bad for these people I know that's awful because swords represent thoughts and beliefs
48:30
this card says you've created your own prison with your ideas and only you can free yourself okay
48:36
she lived in that house for four fucking years dude with her parents in the closet
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well maybe okay before I go to the interpretation I'm gonna read you one of the extra excerpts here
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maybe this isn't the classiest connection to make but it says the only thing we have to fear is fear
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itself it's a quote by Franklin D Rose about okay I'm like okay well she wasn't afraid to have a
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couple of he well that that makes me feel better because that just like reminds me of Ben just like
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going to these abandoned places sometimes he goes alone yeah and he's like he says he's kind of
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scared sometimes but like not really you know so he's just very brave in these situations I feel like
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yeah oh my gosh there's these ran into people too and he had to like think on his toes and like come
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up with an excuse of like why he's there and yeah okay to break through the barrier you felt you
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must change the way you see and do things sometimes this means rejecting social norms or going
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against the status quo I mean don't do that if you're murdering people and keeping them in your
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right I think I feel like this is more of a a tie in to Ben who's obvious yeah um doing something
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very outside of maybe the beaten path oh totally and like people from his TikTok like reported him
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for going into that house really yeah wow he like got reported to the cops so that's interesting
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he's definitely doing things that no one else is doing yeah you also need to get focused and get
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moving perhaps you have your head in the clouds the reverse eight warns you need to get your affairs
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in order or the situation could worsen oh no is that like a warning to Ben I'm not sure I don't know
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I don't either not sure how to take that exactly he's safe yeah well I was going to say I mean the
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fact that like he's had people reporting him if he's had you know run in when he's actually
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been on site that does sort of like my first thought was oh my gosh be safe yeah please yeah in a
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reading about money this card says you may not be dealing forthrightly with a financial problem
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if you've been putting off paying your taxes for example or settling a legal matter take care
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of it promptly to avoid more trouble sometimes this eight indicates bad advice or deception
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if the reading is about your job the reverse eight tells you to stop playing the victim you may feel
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persecuted trapped or limited in your work but you must take responsibility for where you're at
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and do something about it inner reading about love oh boy you may feel tied to a person
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perhaps because you're afraid to be alone or unwilling to support yourself which that's interesting
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because she kept her parents in the home it's like yeah she very easily could have I I suppose gotten
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rid of their bodies but it's almost like she didn't want to be alone oh that's like a very
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disturbed person for sure yeah absolutely well and so much of this is about your your mind almost
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becoming like a it's a prison for your thoughts and so I think that kind of makes sense I mean for
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someone who's in that sort of a state and I feel like you're sort of trapped in a way too because you
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obviously can't really have like people over I don't know if she was like leaving the house at all
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or if she was like too scared to leave that someone would find them while she was gone I mean I really
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don't know the situation but I only imagine like yeah wow you just must feel so trapped having that
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hang over your head for four years too yeah that's a long time to live with that information
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this card can mean you're not facing up to what's really going on if you've been listening to
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someone else's advice the time has come to listen to your inner guidance okay there is one
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additional extra excerpt and I'm I'll read that and then you can share any other thoughts that you
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have about yeah I have one more thought I think okay I think many of our fears are tissue paper thin
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and a single courageous step would carry us clear through them wow it's interesting I feel like
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we're getting like mixed messages a little bit here yeah well I think you have obviously
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if we're picking up on the different energies that are related to kind of all of the different I
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mean it really runs gamut but you know bends energy is going to be very different than that of
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you know the abandoned murder house yeah and like your energy to I was asking for your energy and
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that's funny it talked about like fear the only thing you fear is fear itself I'm afraid that I will be
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to afraid and you probably want to be blindfolded so you don't have to see the dolls I don't want to be
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anywhere near dolls blindfolded but if you don't see them are they there yes is that a serious question
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you can feel them okay I'm done what a ridiculous person yeah okay so the last the last thought I
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had was it kind of reminded me of see I'm trying to think and talk and it's not working well
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it's tough it's tough like when I say we're not giving you advice to go and do these things like you
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have to make up your own decision and that's basically like the last thing that you said there was like
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you know don't follow other people's advice just do your own what like feels good to you basically
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that's right just say okay wow that fit that was good yeah yeah um
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woo this is okay so there's another card and it was like the one at the bottom that I was kind of
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eyeballing mm-hmm when we split the deck it was that this one at the bottom yeah it's the justice card
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oh in reverse oh which is also interesting because we all you know justice it's kind of a
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self-explanatory I feel like yeah I don't know if you want to peruse given the nature of our show
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right interesting too it's another blind red blindfolded bird oh yeah kind of a different
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variation of binding but that premise is still there and the imagery on these cards do like look like
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abandoned places kind of a look that is yeah really interesting they do like with peeling wallpaper
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and paint and stuff is what that one looks like keywords are rectification decision
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binding balance and legal matters which I think all speaks for itself yeah um okay
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the justice card often depicts a female figure robed and crowned or sometimes armoured
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she holds a sword symbol of the air element and the mind in one hand and in the other a set of scales
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oh she's holding a sword and we got swords for the other card we did yeah in some deck she appears
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nude with arms outstretched in a balanced position or she stands between a large set of scales while
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holding a smaller set this justice isn't blind or blindfolded however her eyes are open
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suggesting divine justice is that work here rather than the laws of humankind to me I read that
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almost as like somebody who gets away with that for four years and then I don't know what the
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circumstances were of the discovery and her capture subsequently but yeah me either um that almost
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seems like there's like divine intervention in putting a stop to that yeah interesting the justice
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card can represent an actual legal matter or someone who works in the judicial system
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whatever the situation you must weigh many factors in order to make a reasoned decision
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hmm which honestly that kind of makes me think um we were sort of speculating wildly about you
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know the mental health of someone who would remain in their home with two people that they have
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killed um and worse yet their own parents but that makes me think of like you have to sort of take
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into account maybe the mental health of someone who committed this crime as you think about
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maybe sentencing them that is true yeah yeah justice reversed indicates delays in legal matters
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or unfairness in some other situation there was certainly a delay a little bit that's exactly
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where my mind went if you're the person in power you may be unduly severe in meeting out punishment
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if you're in the powerless position you may feel angry or resentful at being treated unfairly wow
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your equilibrium is out of whack and you may swing from one extreme to the other that almost makes me
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think of like a apparent child relationship right because yeah how many times has like an angry
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kid or teenager said that's not fair yeah does that's kind of the vibe it's giving me
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in reading about money you may encounter a loss in a legal matter or feel a financial decision
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isn't fair oh yeah now I want to look more into this story and see like what happened like I know
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how like did anything come out in the courts of like why oh my god so I mean there's got to be more
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information about this case yeah perhaps you'll be required to make restitution to someone
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this card can also represent delays or complications in receiving money that's due to you
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maybe life and sure and I don't think she's gonna get that payment no I don't think so not so much
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but I wonder if like she was thinking if they're missing long enough oh yeah of course like kind of
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the one we talked about with the missing family was that it were they had a certain amount of time
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to collect yeah we're just pretty typical um obviously it you know I have no idea what the what the
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terms and conditions are over in England but here in Oregon even dating back to that case from
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you know the late fifties um it was like seven years so yeah huh if the reading is about your job
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justice reversed can signify an imbalance in your workplace or a lack of cooperation
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or this card may point oh may mean you have to account for an action or mistake
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in some cases it may point to a legal issue involving the organization you work for
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interesting interesting inner reading about love you may feel a relationship lacks balance
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one of you has more power or control than the other sometimes this card indicates having to
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answer for an indiscretion or wrongful action yeah I should say so no notes yeah
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wow I think we found a lot of good connections with that that's crazy yeah I'm glad I remembered
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to pull that card out from the end because I was thinking about it while you were picking the other
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sign I'm like yeah I like both sides for this yeah yeah there's definitely some really interesting
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parallels and like like literally just the connection between the two cards like the red ribbon
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blindfold and the sword thing like yeah have a creepy birthday we'll see you next Tuesday
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unless you get lost in an abandoned place forever and ever or there's a porcelain doll outside your door
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I like how he did a high pitched and I said no yeah housekeeping oh my god we're here to
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bring your brain okay well I it turns out I have a thing so I gotta my ubers here
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oh my god man I have to have Chris log me back into the cameras because I'm not going to build go
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to my door either oh no because what if there's a doll at my door I'm so sorry there's not going to
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be a doll at your door okay. (pnwhauntsandhomicides.com)