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F1, HAMNET, MARTY SUPREME - 2026 Oscars Best Picture Series · The Cine-Files

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  [SPEAKER_01]: Hello everyone, and welcome to our annual conversation on the best picture films here on the cinephiles.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I am John Rook, joined his always by director writer, producer, extraordinaire Steve Morris, Ari's Steve.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I like my introduction, that's, that's, I feel really good about that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I've earned my spot as a voting member of the cinephiles Academy.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to vote instead of fouls award show.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's, you know, and we're not the other ones voting in the City of Files award show or I don't think we are voting on the City of Files award show.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Are we?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Do our ballots count to our ballots?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Are they part of it since we?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Show.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't don't don't all members of the academy get a vote.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a matter of your president of the academy nomination is nominees kept to vote on their nominations.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 0:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good point.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We should.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And, of course, you need to get your vote in for the cinephiles award, and to do that, all you have to do, it doesn't cost you a dime, but you do have to go to patreon.com slash the cinephiles, where you can join our free tier.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And once you join, you'll find that link to vote for the Oscars, which I think voting will start one week before the show.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's coming up pretty soon.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And guess what, if you're on that free tier, some other free stuff might head your way every once in a while.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty fun place to be.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the cinephiles award show.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's coming up on March 13th, the Saturday before the Oscars, the Oscars on the 14 will do it Saturday on the 13th.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So look for announcements on that and a link coming really soon from us.
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now that this year, the winner of the cinephiles awards is going to get a full cinephiles deep dive.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I am super excited about this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, depending on the timing Steve, we may be doing
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  [SPEAKER_01]: films that break our tenure record within this year.
• 1:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how that's going to work out, but we might.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We might be doing that as well.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I actually find this to be a very, very interesting year for best picture nominations.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm really excited to have some of these conversations.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, listen, the way we've done this in the past for those who've been long time fans, you know we do it like one movie at a time, but this year we decided to do it differently.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to group movies together to have conversations about them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So you guys can consume them in one sitting.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We just thought it was the better way to go about it and our advisory board steep.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We just met with them yesterday.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They are 100% co-signed this approach.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to do three movies, three movies, and then four movies to wrap up the process
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about F1, HamNet, and Marty Supreme.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we're here to start at our first conversation.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be on F1.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This film that was nominated to a lot of people surprise, honestly, or best picture directed by Joseph Kazinsky.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You came off.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: of top gun Maverick written by Aaron Krueger and this one of course star Brad Pitt, Damson Idris, Kary Condon, Tobias Menzies, and Javier Bartham with a cinematography from Claudia Maronda and score by Hans Zimmer and it is a film about F1.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This racing
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  [SPEAKER_01]: type of racing that has become a massive deal globally over the last few years and a pretty incredible film overall made over $600 million worldwide for Apple TV and this is the biggest film Apple has ever released and it's got all kinds of love and all kinds of recognition.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: all overboard National Board of View gave it what of the top 10 films of the year for themselves as well.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So Steve, what are your thoughts overall on F1 the movie?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what's funny?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I am absolutely thrilled that this was nominated for Best Picture.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I really am.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not, look, I haven't gone through.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I know there are other films that didn't get nominated in some things that people think were snubs.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But, I mean, this for me is like part of the philosophy of the cinephiles, which is you and I never ever wanted to privilege artsy, fartsy movies over comedies or dramas over action films.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: To me, a great film is a great film.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And one of the problems with the Oscars has been this weird split between movies that made money and movies that were nominated for Academy Awards.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And here we have a extremely, in my opinion, well crafted, very popular film that a whole bunch of people watched.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm thrilled that this was nominated for Best Picture.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Would I vote for it for Best Picture?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely not.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But did I like it a lot?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I totally did.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, this one, as I said, starring Brad Pitt as a racing driver, Sonny Hayes, who returns after a 30 year absence to save his former teammates underdog team, APXG from collapse, and he trains a young kid to learn about the business.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's who dams an Idris place.
• 4:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought this was a fantastic movie.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: thoroughly surprised how much I enjoyed it.
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do think it stumbles a bit in the middle, which is why I also agree with you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I would not vote for it for Best Picture, but I'm very happy that I got nominated for Best Picture.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I saw some people get really upset about this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Some artsy, farty critics get really upset about this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just felt like tell them to go jump in a lake because this kind of stuff is really important to recognize and
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  [SPEAKER_01]: to someone said, like, dad's cinema.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, that's important.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Dad's cinema is just as important as your artsy, artsy, black box one act play cinema.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is the, you have to create space for all of it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: F1 certainly doesn't.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And this isn't like,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: f1 is like just some populist film.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This was actually a damn good movie with some really good performances here from Brad Pitt.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's an emotional terrain that we haven't seen him navigate quite some time.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It introduced a lot of people to dance at Idris who there are rumors he might be the next black Panther.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a hell of a thing that he's stepping into.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Kerry Condon.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Equated herself incredibly well in a film like this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You would not expect her to be cast in a film like this because she does a lot of artsy Fartsy stuff, but she worked really well here, and I thought I'd have you about them was a lot of fun throughout this movie as well And the journey took us on seeing what this guy is dealing with and a lot of people who grew up and are around that age of of Brad Pitt in this in this movie Connect to what he's going to connect
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  [SPEAKER_01]: to possibly the shots they had when they were younger, didn't quite make it happen.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: What are their lives like now?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they have to at times navigate their life now, helping someone else try to pursue their dreams.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought it really did, it really told that story well and also elevated F1 and made it look amazing for people who want to maybe get into this sport.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So it satisfied both things as a movie.
• 6:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I totally agree, and it's so funny.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: There are several movies this year that I went and to see them knowing very little and had the wonderful joy throughout the entire film of not really knowing where it was going to go.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I have a very developed story sense.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so when I see a thing introduced in a movie, I go like, ah, I see what you're doing.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't for many, many movies.
• 6:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: F1 on the other hand is the kind of a movie where you know exactly what you're going to see.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they're definitely some twists and surprises along the way, but you know where you're heading.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And you know what?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's great too.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it's really satisfying to go into a movie and go, I am going to get this.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And then to get it, you know, like, and this is, you know, and this is what always bugs me about the, you know, artist versus popular argument is to me, to me, it's all about degree of difficulty to me, it's all about, you know, I love craftsmanship, I like people who work hard to make something really good and if you're working hard to make something really good and it happens to be about an F1 driver.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, technically, this is a, I mean, well, in particular, because guess what, I know nothing about F1.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I have watched not only if I watch zero F1, I've watched essentially zero racing.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I've never ever watched it at all.
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was sucked into this film immediately, it was explained and made clear exactly what was going on.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I really understood it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so for me, a non F1 fan, I went, man, this is pretty cool.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The other thing about this, I found really interesting.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Brad Pitt has an interesting career, because Brad Pitt starts off
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  [SPEAKER_02]: unbelievable movie star looks unbelievable movie star charisma but if you look at his career he is over and over again chosen not to do the big budget star turn action superhero whatever it is thing
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He has done all sorts of peculiar movies, movies with Quentin Tarantino, movies with odd characters, movies with fight clubs, movies that are challenging, you know, you know, did Michael Richie movies, you know, he did all that stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so like seeing him come in to do what is a big budget mainstream dad movie.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He is so perfectly cast.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I would say like Brad Pitt,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But he has a wheelhouse where his particular Ry sense of humor on a little smarter than the guy next to me.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't entirely play by the rules.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't quite get a handle on what I'm thinking.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That Brad Pitt thing works perfectly.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's perfectly, I don't know if this movie was written for him, but it sure feels like it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's my impression.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's just perfectly cast in this film.
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would agree with you 100%.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And as I said earlier, this is emotional terrain that he doesn't get to navigate often in these movies.
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, it's in a framework of a attempt to be a 10-pole film.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a sequel coming, Jerry Brockheimer produced this movie, has said there's a sequel coming.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So clearly, they want this to be a franchise, and they want to stay in business with F1, which is becoming massive sport, massive global brand.
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, what do you do?
• 9:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: You make people connect through the story of what Sunny is going through.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Just a guy who had had a shot at everything when he was younger, he blew it, or a guy caught up in his emotions on it, or just in the end, it didn't work out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever the reason's on.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And now he's got to navigate and confront all these feelings and confront the losses, but still find a way to have his own strength and have his power in his life, reclaim where he wants to go and his life.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he's going to do it on his terms.
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what we'll talk about the movie is they showed you a man who is still who he is.
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to navigate the situation exactly how he is, but he's also going to realize some of these moments and mistakes that he made in the past, he doesn't want this young kid to do them, but he's going to make this kid look at what's happening.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He is not going to give into the young kid.
• 10:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to make the kids see these things that are happening, so the heat doesn't make the same mistakes.
• 10:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think there's something really interesting in that, something almost meta in that I would imagine for anybody who's on a set with Brad Pitt, who's a younger actor coming up, that Brad Pitt can help him navigate
• 10:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: through those times because it wasn't like Brad Pitt's been hit in blockbuster after the blockbuster after blockbuster.
• 10:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's had a lot of trouble both on screen and off screen.
• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to bring up the Angelina Jolie stuff.
• 11:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot around this performance that I thought was really grounded and soulful.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: touching and connected to someone like me who's in my fifties, looking back on my life and the mistakes I made when I was younger and things that they could have gone, that I enjoyed about this with his performance, but he stayed who he was and I thought that was essential.
• 11:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't some kind of therapist who walked into this illuminating moment.
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, he realized these things as he was experiencing them and finally confronted them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then by the end, he goes off to do exactly what he does, which is like a gunslinger.
• 11:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Totally.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a stranger comes to town and fixes everything up.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This is the man with no name.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: 100% that's what it is.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, I actually, I think that's a great analogy because because you think about Yo Jimbo and you think about the man with no name and it's always this person who is somewhat mysterious.
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Always has a plan and you're always going, what are they doing?
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why are they doing this?
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you know that they know why they're doing this.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is one of the things I love about the movie is, you know, I like intelligence.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I like and so what this movie is is this is the old man with the world of experience who understands the game in a profound way.
• 12:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: He understands it's so well that he's going to play outside the rules because he, because of what it really is.
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's going to school the young man.
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So first of all, I love movies with intelligence.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: As like you said, as a guy in my fifties, seeing the old guy come in and school the young guy is always, that's my kind of story.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it always has been, I love showing that stuff.
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I also think, and it occurred to me, as you were speaking, it makes a lot of sense that this is the guy that did top gun maverick.
• 12:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because because what it is is like,
• 12:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Top Gun Maverick is there's Tom Cruise.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's the Tom Cruise I love.
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I knew that he's to, you know, like, and not that Tom Cruise hasn't done other big movies and stuff like that, obviously he has.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But Top Gun Maverick recaptured a thing that we loved about this actor, that we hadn't really got to see.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And it really goes to the, you know, the brokheimer of it all is like there was a time when you saw Simpson Brokheimer or just brokheimer, it's like, oh, this is gonna be a good time.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Is it going to be deep, not necessarily?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Is it going to be incredibly moving?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's sophisticated, not necessarily.
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is it going to deliver the stuff that it intends to deliver?
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so like heavy, this was this moment of going, there's Brad Pitt, like this, he always had this in his wheelhouse, but we didn't, that no one provided a movie or he didn't pick a movie where he could do this thing in this particular mainstream way.
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not him killing the Manson family while on LSD.
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's that being wrong with that, but that's a different, that has a different energy.
• 13:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't just have the, yes, kind of feeling that F1 hits.
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when you look at Damson Idris, who was going toe to toe with Brad Pitt throughout the movie, I thought he quit it himself really well, especially for a lot of people who maybe are meeting as I said earlier, Damson Idris for the first time, I thought he gave his good as he got.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he reflected a lot of the energy of the younger generation that's going around now with elements that felt universal for
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: universal to every younger generation.
• 14:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: They always think the old guys don't know.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And after they always think the old guys tactics aren't the right way to go.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're too caught up in their tradition.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But some things work because all the time because they consistently work because they're right.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so to see him
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: bouncing off of that and finding his own way and going down his own path and dealing with an agent dealing with his people dealing with his team as they have ulterior motives or they have things going on as well.
• 14:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's got to go on his journey.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: The stuff with his mom which I think is really great and funny.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a lot he has to confront himself.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think a film like this in the past would have given his story short-shrift
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would have focused much more on the Brad Pitt story overall, but I think he gets a lot of screen time to show you what he can do and his journey of the he's on so that by the end when they come back together to do the things that they do, it is absolutely both of them getting something really a meaning, a deep and powerful out of the experience and learning from each other, which I think was great as well.
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I totally agree.
• 15:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's not exactly who's with the old guy that nobody trusts coming into the town, eventually winning them over to his way of approaching the game of basketball, but it definitely has some of those elements to it, you know, of, you know, and trying to figure out exactly what he's doing, and I see something else, which is, which is, so in my brain, I've seen Havier Bardem and many, many movies, one of the great actors as an incredible range
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: But frankly, my first real experience of Harvey or Bardem and what although I had seen him in things before, what will be burned into my consciousness forever is no country for old men.
• 16:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So in my brain, whenever I hear the name, that is the first place my brain goes to.
• 16:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: This unbelievably terrifying, very sort of quiet and slow and intense killer.
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, seeing him have so much fun in this movie.
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was a joy because Havir Bartem smile when he stressed what he's frustrated with Sonny, when he's loving what's at, let's just do all of that stuff.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just great to watch him doing it.
• 16:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so 100% agree with you.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's having such a blast and relaxed and and these are things that you see in his Spanish films when he get like the one that was a couple years ago when he played the former boss or the boss that was coming into the factory, there was a lot more of a relaxed performance and missed a very stressful situation.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he nailed that.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you're right to see him get to do some of that on the American side of things which he rarely gets a chance to do is so much fun to experience here in this
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: was damn good.
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: As I said, you don't normally see her at a 10-pole film like this.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Banshee's have in his share and she was in Rome.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: All these other films.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you get to see a little bit more of a personality who watched Carried Interviews.
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's so relaxed and funny and doesn't take anything seriously.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so to see have that her have that kind of element here in the film.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she doesn't take any shit from anybody.
• 17:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's clear about what she's doing.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's clear about where she's going.
• 17:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do I think the romance is a little rushed or they're getting together?
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: It isn't quite as laid out as strong as it should have been?
• 17:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, but I like them together.
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I like that she owns her own property or a real estate rather in the film, and is not one that's just kind of being like bold over by sunny haze, or being dough-eyed about him, which I really appreciate.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like her too.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like her character.
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like kind of the way they frame her.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree 100% in this goes into one of the reasons why I would not vote for this for best picture.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was not emotionally involved in their relationship.
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just like, oh, and now they have relationship.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's fun.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like it was fun to see them together, but it didn't really, really make a big difference.
• 18:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I, and also, you know, it, it's kind of like a subset of the thing that I was saying at the beginning of not wanting to privilege one genre of film over another.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: The idea that actors should stay in their lane.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you do already films.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you do comedy.
• 18:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you do this is been his proven over and over and over again.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I know you feel this like,
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to do just heavy movies on the cinephiles, like you and I are capable of talking about many different things.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I am capable of writing or directing in different genres and you are capable of acting in different genres.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if, you know, if you're not successful, switching over to a genre, then you don't get to do that again.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the idea that someone should, as I said, stay in their lane is the antithesis of artistic expression.
• 18:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm thrilled when actors who did different stuff show up and have a great time and nail what is required for this kind of movie, you know?
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And speaking of nail in it, we should, before we finish wrap up our conversation here, we should give some love to the cinematographer, the editor here, cinematography, Claudio Menanda, and the editing Steven Mereoni, because the editing was nominated for an Academy Award as well.
• 19:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had a chance to interview
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: one of the stunt coordinators on the film, Luciano Bakeda, which is on my channel and that was so much fun to find out more about how they put these races together, about how they choreographed stuff, about where Joseph Kaczynski placed the cameras in the car
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: how they created new cameras or new styles of cameras to shoot the action that they did and edit it in a way that was just utterly thrilling in all of these races.
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's really the biggest thing as far as promoting F1 that the film did is it made it look incredible so that you want to give it a chance if you've never seen anything like this.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: 100% and well, and this is again, the things that people don't talk about.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: F1 is a visceral experience.
• 19:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: When those races are going on with that sound and the way that it's put together and the shot selection, it's so you're just in 100% in and again,
• 20:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is not the same as a beautiful Shakespearean monologue, which will happen in another movie we're talking about.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the same as a heartfelt weeping performance.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the same of having, you know, intellectual themes about the meaning of life.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the craftsmanship to create a visceral race experience is just as hard to do as any of that other stuff.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah agreed agreed.
• 20:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what do you thought as we wrap up here?
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you thoughts on Joseph Kazinski as a director on this?
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's just top gun fabric here is here is F1 the movie and moving on to do a couple of other projects here that have been announced and being worked on.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So what you're feeling on this guy and his work here in this movie?
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's also
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, if you would ask me after those two movies, I would have said, man, this guy has amazing visual style and I was completely bored in both movies, you know, and so I think what I think that I'm seeing is a filmmaker that has grown since 2010 and if, you know, between Top Gun Maverick and this, I'm in dude.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: What are you going to make for us next?
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited.
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm curious to see what's next as well.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would throw in another movie that I think is the bridge movie that show that he was growing as a director.
• 21:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you guys haven't seen it.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a firefighter movie called Only the Brave.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's such a damn good, quite least, quietly damn good, small movie that more people should take a look at and see.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Josh Brolin and
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember who else was in that film, but Miles Teller, I think is in that film.
• 21:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's an incredible exploration of a real thing that happened in a wildfire in California to these firefighters.
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I highly recommend people watch that because you'll see that he's beginning to get to top gun fabric and F1 in that movie.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I agree with you Steve, after those first two films, you're like, yeah, these are pretty films, but you're not quite nailing the emotion or the story here.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not as invested.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: now through only the brave and into these two films, I think we've got ourselves potentially a incredible octour down the road as he does more of these films that we will talk about.
• 22:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure on the set of files in years to come for sure.
• 22:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Two other quick things.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: One is that by the way, a blivey is written by my most famous writing friend Carl Gidechek who I went to high school with.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, but the very first thing I ever directed was a play written by Carl Geidishek, that's who wrote the movie in.
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, um, yeah.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, the other thing I wanted to say is just a totally non-film thing, non-osquer thing.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is a business thing.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Boy, Apple was smart to buy the one writes to F1.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, that they're now the official broadcasters of that, right when this movie is coming along, that was a hell of a smart business move.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, Apple's known for making a lot of stuff.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they make some good choices.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good, they do.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: They do.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, that's our thoughts on F1, about the good stuff and some of the stuff that we felt held it back from being the picture that Stephen I would vote for, best picture.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on to another film, Stephen.
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: This one is white, a change of pace.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: From F1, this one is Hamnett, directed by Chloe Zhao, fresh off some of the mixed reactions to internals.
• 23:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: This one stars Jesse Buckley, Paul Mascol, Emily Watson, and Joel Allwin with Paul Mascol playing the barred himself, William Shakespeare, and Jesse Buckley playing his wife Agnes, and it,
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Basically tells the story through, based on this book, read by Maggie O'Ferrell about the death of their son and how it motivated Shakespeare to create Hamlet.
• 23:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But we see the pain and the journey of this loss through this incredible wood spirit is what I would say, Agnes played by Jesse Buckley.
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts overall on this movie, Steve?
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: What did you think about?
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: What did you feel about Hamlet?
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is a very powerful film, it's funny.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I knew the basic idea, like I knew, okay, this is about the relationship, this is about the son, this is the son's death, and spires Hamlet, there was no way to expect what this movie actually is.
• 24:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And part of it I would say is that I had, because what's the most important thing in this movie?
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, obviously it's William Shakespeare, and Hamlet, one of the great plays of all time.
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: In my brain, this is like a biopic, an origin story, a, and it's not, what this is a film, what it's not that hamlet and Shakespeare are incidental to the film.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: They aren't.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're very important and particularly as you move towards the end, towards that incredibly moving.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: ending.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but really this is a story about this woman and about childrearing and about this time and about the culture and about a very unique and very painful emotional experience.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is it is so much its own film and I found it just I was completely engrossed in it the whole time.
• 25:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is in my top three of the films of 2025.
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: devastatingly amazing watch for me.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was so much that I took from this.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, it's, you know, this, even at those of you who list to us for a long time, you know, I'm a massive Shakespeare person.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is an easy, very important person in my life, when I got into acting, when I got into theater, studied in London, studied under a couple of teachers who work at the OTA at the RSC, the World Shakespeare Company, truly an honor to have experienced all of that.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: for the work of Shakespeare.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: But as Steve said, Shakespeare and the play Hamlet are not necessarily the focus of this movie.
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is about Agnes who is essentially and Hathaway his first wife.
• 25:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Her journey as this ethereal person will almost seem to come out of the ground of the forest and
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: make a decision to be part of the human world.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: To acquiesce to how the humans do things, she connects with William Shakespeare.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mary's in Mass's relationship and has this, as children within.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so we see her as this fierce mother and then this thing happens to her through their son, Hamlet played by Emmett, rather played by Noah Joup, who's fantastic in the movie.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: and what he experiences and the death of their son, the way he dies is devastating, is selfless and gorgeous and beautiful, but what it does to her, what it does to Shakespeare as they navigate this, because Shakespeare and essence is almost like an absentee dad, because he's out there trying to make his living in the world.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so we're seeing what she deals with, how she navigates this, how she deals with this pain and all the things that are connected with it and it is amazing to watch this performance.
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's the odds on favorite to win best actress and I think she thoroughly deserves it.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's an incredible dynamo.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think those have been watching her for a while.
• 27:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: We knew this was eventually going to happen and she just owns this film for beginning to end.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the story that's being told,
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the thing that's happening to her, I love the last 30 to 40 minutes of the movie when we get to the play, where you see that this is not a person who's like honored by what William has done at the beginning of the play.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: She is horrified that her trauma is being played out on stage for others to experience.
• 27:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's the gorgeous,
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: writing and the construction of the play that softens her heart and makes her reconnect with William after having that connection broken because of the death of their son.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's an incredible film, bro.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just beautifully done, you know.
• 27:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I totally agree, you know what I was saying about F1 where there are movies where you know where they're going to go and they give you what you want and that makes you happy.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then there movies where you really don't know where it's going to go.
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what's interesting about this is I knew from the description what you know what I said.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's Shakespeare and his wife and their kid and the kid dies and Hamlet.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I know those signposts, I know the kid is going to die.
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know we're gonna end up with the play Hamlet, and yet, even as we're in the middle of the play, even as Hamlet is there, I don't know what's going to happen.
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what I mean is it's, I don't know emotionally what's going to happen.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what I'm going to feel, or more specifically, I don't know what she is going to feel.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And she is, she is both
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: one of the fascinating and most in a weird way alien characters.
• 28:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, film.
• 28:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've ever seen.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like because it's just as you describe, like she emerges from the earth.
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is a, this is a person of a pre-Christian way of looking at reality.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she really is.
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And everyone talks about her, the cheese of which that her mother was a witch.
• 28:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And she knows these spells and these herbs and these things that you think of as non.
• 29:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Christian civilized thing.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: These are the, these are from the old world.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And being in her world, because if that's what's, what's, this is her movie.
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is not William Shakespeare's movie.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even though you start with him and you see him spot her and, you know, obviously be drawn to her.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: But really, we stick with her and man, the scenes of childbirth and the scene of the death are among the most real
• 29:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: gut-wrenching powerful, they just wrecked me.
• 29:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: They absolutely, in the moment, I mean, I guess that we should have said this is a spoiler review.
• 29:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I won't go into two details, too much details, but there is a moment when young HamNet does a thing with his sister, and I'm just like,
• 29:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my, and it's that moment where the window opens up and you know what's going to happen because it's been set up so perfectly in terms of her prophecy and her what you know what she how she has seen into the future and you and you just go, oh, no.
• 30:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then from that point forward, or even from earlier forward, there is just this feeling of dread, this fear, and there's something I think terribly human about this film.
• 30:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: This, you know, so even though we're talking about literally the most famous writer in the history of possibly the world, certainly the most famous and beloved writer in the English language, this is a very human down to earth story.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it kind of breaks the mythology of the hero worship with Shakespeare, right?
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, there was another film a couple of years ago from Kenneth Brana, called Allis True, which I really enjoyed and showcase Shakespeare coming back to live with Anne Hathau as played by the Dame Judy Dench in the film.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: and live his life out there as an older person before he passes on.
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it also worked on destroying this myth of Shakespeare's being this iconic, untouchable, unknowable type of entity and, oh, it's all inspiring.
• 31:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's much more realism in that movie that I really enjoyed.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this approach to telling a story, Steve, you're absolutely right.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thoroughly enjoy it as well.
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like that Agnes is not someone that we're necessarily going to connect to or gravitate to, because she is at times abrasive, she is demanding, she is pushy, she's not willing to necessarily concede certain things in a human existence or a human society.
• 31:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: She fights back, she owns her
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: her agency and her estate where she's at in terms of her physicalness, that is very strong and powerful, and it turns other people off, including William's parents at times, which I think was important.
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that when we're on this, but we start to care about her because of what she experiences with the kids because of how much of a fierce mother she has, how protective she is.
• 31:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when she confronts the loss of her son,
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is something that is supremely devastating.
• 31:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think makes it very universal at a time when we're being much more open in talking about trauma and the trauma of loss for better or worse, we're much more open talking about it.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think this film captures us at the right time, captures this energy at the right time.
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we follow her on this journey as she navigates this so that when she gets to that moment,
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the play where she understands what William is doing in honor of her son.
• 32:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen the film three times now.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I cry every time when she cries like every time because Jesse's performance is so visceral that you feel that in your bones, if you've ever experienced lost, lost, what it's like to finally say goodbye.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: to the thing you lost, to finally accept that it is going, and that is just an amazing moment in the movie, and I can't speak more positively about it than I just did right now, you know.
• 32:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's so interesting, you know, I started by saying that this really isn't, it's not a biopic about Shakespeare, it's not an origin story of Hamlet, and yet in that scene, and I grew view, that sequence at the end is so powerful, is this movie is, after this very human story, takes us to the healing power of art.
• 33:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: it takes us to the right place.
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is why art is important.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think that Agnes understood that art was important until she is there and goes and understands that there is some transformation, some transubstantiation of her spirit by watching this play in this moment.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: which is how I feel about art.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: You could have that moment where you're there and you're like, oh, I'm not the same person walking out of the, I mean, how do we deal with sorrow?
• 33:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: How do we deal with pain?
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: How do we deal with all the lost and pain in life?
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, one of the ways is through art, you know?
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's how we express it.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's how we expose it.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's how we feel it in public, you know?
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this play just brings that home.
• 33:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So even though it's not about Shakespeare, in the end, it says, this is why this matters, you know?
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to say, normally I like to find certain things to, you know, what didn't work, what didn't work, there is very little that doesn't work in this movie.
• 34:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I just don't know that there's much that I could talk about, that doesn't work.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love the cinematography from Lucas' eye.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like the music here by Max Richter and the direction for Chloe Zhao.
• 34:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a completely different person from the thing I saw in a tunnels, which to me was a
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a film that is staged so wonderful.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: The angles that she uses, the moments to choose, she chooses to go and close up to the set locations.
• 34:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that massive tree, well, in the forest, all of that, that we see the construction of Shakespeare's village at that time, but then also the construction of the globe.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then that sequence, as I talk about with Hammond, what happens near the end of the movie, the way that is shot, the way they remove sound.
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: decisions as a director by Chloe Jowell that makes this film just to use another transward transcendental when you watch it because it does take you to a completely different place and it is so effective in doing so.
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's funny.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hated internals.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I watched it over three nights with many cocktails.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the whole time I'm going like, I don't understand what's happening.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who, I don't know what these characters want.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, because like I said, I'm pretty good with figuring out a story.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm watching I'm going like, wait, why is that character doing that thing?
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe it was the cocktails that was made in me a little bit fuzzier, but mostly I was like, what the hell is this?
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it really makes me go,
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: what was the journey that got to that movie because this is an unbelievably brilliant director with a unique and powerful vision of how she wants to make films and my assumption is that Marvel wouldn't let her like I really want to know what was the and it doesn't it that doesn't mean by the way because I say someone is a brilliant director that I'm going to like every movie they make.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: But
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: the thing when I, you know, I want to see Chloe's house movies, you know, I don't, you know, like, and I will show up and I will watch and maybe I will like it or maybe I won't, but I want her vision because she is a visionary.
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then you go like, okay, and with the big Marvel, you know, machine, it feels like that movie crushed a visionary.
• 36:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 36:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know behind the scenes, but that's how it feels.
• 36:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think for every, you know, Ryan Cougler in Marvel, there are two or
• 36:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Director's who come from independent movies who can't make that transition.
• 36:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the first Captain Marvel movie, those two directors, I can't remember the names right now, not that strong of what they did, Chloe Zhao, I think, as well having issues with the tunnels, and then recently with the Marvels, right?
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: What happened there with the intercostance?
• 36:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, not everyone can make that jump, not everyone can make that move,
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: and it must be very hard to try to have your own artistic vision within a framework of something that needs to be populist.
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It must be very difficult.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this, I think, was an essential cleanse I would imagine for Khloe Jihad to go back to the things that made people love her work and wanted her to get and what Marvel to hire her to do something like internals.
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this film was nominated for 8 Academy Award Steer Steve Besterers of Score Productions Design, Constance, and Casting, which is that new category, best adapted screenplay, actress, director, and best picture.
• 37:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know everyone thinks it might be one better love to another or sinners, but if this polls a Shakespearean love upset,
• 37:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would be so incredibly happy in the end, because I do think it is the most complete film of all the films that are nominated for Best Picture in my opinion, because as I just said a few minutes ago, I had a really hard time finding any flaws in this movie.
• 37:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is, I think the movie is not something that a majority of people are necessarily going to gravitate to
• 38:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: that the movie works for, you know, and I think in the end, they'll go for either sinners or one bad left or another, but I would not be mad if this wins best picture.
• 38:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I like to see, you know, it's funny.
• 38:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I agree with you, I think that's what's going to happen.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be one of those two.
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there is, you know, there is a thing of certain kinds of movies when they're really, really successful, yeah, in my opinion, feel more best picture like.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, like Lawrence of Arabia is a best picture kind of movie, you know, yes, Oppenheimer is a best picture kind of movie and centered both centers in one battle after another, fill that requirement a little more than this does.
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas this is a small movie, I don't mean that in a condescending way, this is an intimate movie.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a very specific movie about a very specific time in place, very specific character and not everyone and maybe not everyone will,
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not gonna work for everybody.
• 39:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'm with you.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a great film.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if a great film wins a picture, I'm gonna be cool with that.
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 39:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I will say one last thing we wrap up, Steve, and we'll get your final thoughts on it as well.
• 39:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen Hamlet Dunn five million times in my life, both on screen and on stage and on the small screen, right?
• 39:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: To make Hamlet come back alive for me in a way that I've never seen before,
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: is an incredible accomplishment.
• 39:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought this film did that.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those last 30 minutes of the movie, where they essentially gave you the cliff notes of Hamlet, it was incredible how they still, how she closed Yaw and Maggio Farrell's screenplay and book, still captured the power of that plan as you said, Steve, the importance of art, the fact that it brought it back to life for me in a way that I've never experienced it before,
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Speaks volumes of how great this movie is almost meta in that way and how it's showing you through it's art.
• 40:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why art is so powerful for everyone else who is also also gone through a journey of processing trauma through a play or a film or a piece of music or anything like that that is art connected for themselves.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that I think that's another positive for about this movie and and Chloe Jow's direction.
• 40:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I completely agree and well, this is why I actually really think I really like this slate of best pictures this year because there are a lot of movies where it's like, yeah, this is this movie, this is this director's vision, this is the story they wanted to tell and I'm here for it.
• 40:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I grew to you, like the fact that could have such reverence for Shakespeare do it so well, do it so beautifully, and actually be a story about this completely different thing.
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the most spectacular amazing human in this story, in fact, is not William Shakespeare.
• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's Agnes.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's pretty cool.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree 100%.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so that's our thoughts on this incredible film from Clojow and Hamlet, which I think a lot of people feel might be a dark course for best picture we'll see.
• 41:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see where it ends up in our voting, our Synofiles award shows when the voting happens.
• 41:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: for that as well.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's move on to our next film Steve here.
• 41:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is Marty Supreme, a sports comedy drama from director Jav Shafty of the Safty Brothers.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, both Safty Brothers released sports movies last year.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this is the one that got a lot of attention here that stars Timothy Shalimey as table tennis player Marty Mouser.
• 41:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's set in the 1950s and it follows his quest to become a world champion at Stars going at the Pouchrow, a desa azion
• 41:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: able for our and friend dresser as well and Tyler O'Conma.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Steve, your thoughts on this movie here, two and a half hour movie here from Josh Saffty, a 1950s exploration of a ping pong player, your thoughts?
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, first of all, ping pong is really needed a resurgence in the sports film world.
• 42:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm very happy to have him here for it.
• 42:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought, it's funny.
• 42:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: You said it's a two and a half hour movie.
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think this movie flies along.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it is thrilling in its way.
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Shalame, I mean, it's like, it's so funny going like that, here's this guy that just explodes.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And at this moment, he kind of could do no wrong.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he is an incredible actor.
• 42:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: His performance is great.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I like this movie a lot, despite the fact, I don't like Marty Supreme that much, but I like the film.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: The character is troubling, but the movie is good.
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Marty Malzer, Marty Supreme is the character, and it's based on Marty Reisman who wrote a memoir in 1974, the Money Player, the Confessions of America's greatest table tennis champion, and Hustler.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, Josh Saffty offered this role to shall make back in 2018, and they didn't even get a Greenlit till 2024.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that shows you, Steve, you know this, shows you how Hollywood works.
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: These projects sometimes are just stating for a very long time before they finally come to fruition and get all the attention, but a lot of these creatives, both in front of and behind the camera, sometimes are along for this process for a long time before they finally get a chance to see what the film turns out to be.
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think this, this to me tells you a lot about how Hollywood business, Hollywood executives work, and two different mind frames, because I can imagine the pitch.
• 43:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to do a period piece ping pong movie.
• 43:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to need a pretty big budget.
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of sets, of course, you use, you know, all sorts of computer effects to do the games.
• 43:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 43:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So what do you think?
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the studio goes ping pong?
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Are you kidding?
• 43:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody is interested in that and I think that's and then there's the executive that goes That is so bizarre that is exactly what people are going to be interested in right?
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not you know, it's like, you know, it's the whole skating to where the puck is going I'm not saying the puck was going to ping pong movies, but it's saying here's something different and the movie totally totally is Yeah, and I think it's fascinating too when you look at how the the timing of the movie I think
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: The, um, how can I say this?
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: The development of Timothy Shalame as an actor and then the public's growing fascination with Timothy Shalame as an actor.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It hit at the right time.
• 44:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 44:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: The safety brothers had established themselves with uncut gems.
• 44:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so people were looking forward to see what they were going to do next.
• 44:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: the breakup happens, so Josh is able to focus on doing this thing himself and you get going with powder coming back, who we haven't seen act in a lot over the last few years, other than Marvel films, and I think she delivers one of the best performances of her career, and she's an off-skooting actress herself from Shakespeare and love.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the chemistry they have together as they navigate this relationship of theirs, I think is utterly fascinating.
• 44:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Odessa Azeon is a new actress coming through.
• 44:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: She is the daughter of Pamela Adlon, and she's fantastic in her role as well in this movie.
• 45:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of good performances throughout this film.
• 45:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then Kevin O'Leary, Mr.
• 45:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic, whatever his name is, I think he does an incredible job in the film, considering I never knew this guy could act, because you don't think I've ever seen him act on, is on the shark tank.
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's insane to see how all these disparate elements came together to create this movie.
• 45:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's so weird, by the way, so I have never watched a single episode of Shark Tank, but I had seen, you know, on Instagram, I'd go buy, and there I would see his face, and I'm watching the movie, I didn't realize who that was.
• 45:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Other than I said, I kept going like, this is like a reality guy or a new guy or a stuff.
• 45:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't, I couldn't really remember as I'm watching the movie and my whole experience, he is so good in the movie.
• 45:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's kind of.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, I don't have any statement about how good an actor or what his range is, but that character sits in the sweet spot for that dude, you know, in a very particular way.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he is also, well, I mean, it did,
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Here's what I'll say, because I'm trying to figure out how to break this together, is that, you know what I'm saying?
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: The difference between F1 and HamNet were an F1, I knew where the movie was going to go, and I was really happy to go there.
• 46:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm that even though I knew a little bit about what it was supposed to be about, I had no way to expect how that movie would unfold.
• 46:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: The same is true with Marty Supreme.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: it turns in every conceivable direction and I think the Kevin O'Leary part is a perfect example of like what is happening with this person, what is this relationship, what and then when it gets to where he finally needs to humiliate Marty Supreme and it's just like, I don't know, it is a continually surprising movie.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely.
• 46:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And no more so than Chalamet's performance, a lot of people think he's the odds on favorite to invest actor, although Michael B. joining Jordan winning at the Sag awards, might put that a little bit more into question.
• 46:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: What did you think of his performance throughout this movie?
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: As maybe a career turner to go into even bigger things now at this point in his career.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't see, I don't see a crack in shallow way.
• 47:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's, he is, the hype is deserved.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: He is a great actor, but to go from Dune to a complete unknown to this, three totally different parts, each one he completely loses himself in, obviously, and you know, and his,
• 47:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: What you need someone with unbelievable charisma?
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not saying that this is the same as Wolf of Wall Street, but you're going to have a character who's going to do some unsavory things.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so you need someone with unbelievable charisma and a performance that's endlessly fascinating or you would reject this guy.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, I think you're 100% correct.
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I would throw a fourth film in their Wonka as well, the success, right?
• 47:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: The success that making $600 million plus on a Wonka movie, pretty incredible stuff, what he was able to do with that role as well, distinctly different from the other three films and performances that you mentioned.
• 48:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: But Steve, I know we've had conversations about this movie and you kind of hinted at it at the opening of our conversation of this movie,
• 48:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts on the film and the story of the story of Marty Mouser?
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: What he goes through the essentially the bodies that lie in the wake of Marty Mouser as he has the single minded determination to become and be recognized as the greatest table tennis player of all time?
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I put it almost into like it's two different parallel movies.
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So as a sports film, here are the big matches, here are the builds to the big matches, here are the people you have to beat, how that it all plays out.
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a great sports movie and I have a ball.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: as a character study like you just keep going wow how terrible a person is this guy I mean when that you know they when they try to blackmail someone over a dog you know like there's some stuff in here robbs his robbs his own store puts his friend at gunpoint like there's a lot of stuff in this movie where just like well and even you know the
• 49:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't like where he's supposed to stay.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he just checks into the rits and spends $1,500 of money.
• 49:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have these are all, you know, you've heard me struggle with these things for the entire history of the cinephiles.
• 49:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're watching good fellows watch a wolf of Wall Street.
• 49:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, they're great films.
• 49:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, oh my god, what are you doing?
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, exactly.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's what makes the film so such a challenge for the viewer.
• 49:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because he is not a guy who
• 49:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that likable in terms of actions, but there is, as you said, there's something about the determination to achieve what he wants to achieve.
• 49:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that he's willing to do whatever it takes, almost getting shot, almost getting stabbed, almost dying, like dying multiple times.
• 49:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: woman of a wealthy man who could absolutely destroy him at any moment.
• 49:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: He loves to play in the fire.
• 49:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some people live in Brie than the chaos and he is absolutely a guy who lives in Brie's in the chaos.
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yet while you're watching the movie,
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You find yourself wanting him wanting to succeed even though you don't like the way he's doing things like I said, so do sing with poutro, you know, the way he treats his mom stealing the money screwing over his friend about the ping pong balls and and then Odessa azion's character having her get pregnant, but then he he like beats up the guy who beat her up so does he have some sort of nobility there.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the frustration he feels going against the the Japanese ping-pong player who simply just is good at what he does and it frustrates Marty that he can't beat him.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's only a way, way, way, way hold on.
• 50:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have to disagree.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: He is not just simply good at what he does.
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He has a special and in Marty's opinion.
• 50:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, legal ping-pong paddle.
• 50:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he showed up to the baseball game.
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's got wooden bats and he's got a aluminum bat like that's a good one.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a whole other technique.
• 51:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: What one of the things it was so funny and I don't know.
• 51:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Are you a bunch of a ping pong player?
• 51:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did when I was younger.
• 51:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: We had a ping pong table growing up in my house in Virginia.
• 51:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't played for years, but yeah, I used to play and in the military too, which was a lot of fun.
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ping Pong was a very, very big deal.
• 51:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: All of my family, everyone had Ping Pong tables.
• 51:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was lots of Ping Pong.
• 51:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: My dad was very good at Ping Pong.
• 51:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 51:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I was reading a little bit about Sappy making the movie.
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it made me a Jewish thing.
• 51:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: It might be that this was a typically Jewish thing.
• 51:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the reason I figured it up is I remember when people had good paddles.
• 51:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's a total difference between the actual good paddle and the one that's sitting on the table at camp, the everyone that's been out in the rain, you know?
• 51:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so like what surprised me in the movie is like Marty, one place that he is honorable in his way is about the game.
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: He does, he refuses to use a spongy paddle, right?
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: He won't compromise for the game.
• 52:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 52:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everything else will compromise, but not that, exactly.
• 52:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about the scene where he like, um, where, you know, he's eventually serves up his butt to be paddled in front of these rich people.
• 52:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a, that's what I'm like about the film to is that there's a commentary.
• 52:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's easy to judge Marty because you go, well, he's doing terrible things.
• 52:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But are you just
• 52:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Projecting him from a place that you didn't grow up in those kinds of conditions, those hard-scravel conditions with a gift, because we hear about the other stores, right?
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you grow up or the mother who works five jobs and drives him to the practices, the dad who sacrifices and works three jobs and drives their kids to the practices, stays for hours as they do their ice skating.
• 52:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this is a different type of hard-scravel story, and he does some
• 52:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: nefarious things, there's some questionable things, morally questionable things in order to achieve the things he's got to achieve because he doesn't have that family that's going to drive him to the rank doesn't have that family that believes in what he does of those friends other than the guy who made the ping pong balls form who believe in what he does he lives with a bunch of characters and he lives right on the razor's edge of his poverty and but he knows he's built for more.
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So how far should he go, should he not go?
• 53:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Would we be happier if he accepted a simple existence and never pursuing his dreams?
• 53:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what's great about the movie.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is it challenges you to see this, the world through his points of view, and decide if you like what he does or not, or if you can excuse what he does or not.
• 53:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's kind of brilliant by how they construct the film.
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was funny, when I kind of got to railed, I realized I was jumping to the end of the movie in the scene that you said, which is him getting spanked in front of all the rich people, I think that scene is amazing because of everything that you've talked about right here, which is on the one hand.
• 53:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: he is fighting against the totally unfair system with new advantages and he's he feels like a hero on the other hand and the you know the rich guys a jerk like you know we don't like them at all so so so this seems terrible on the other hand
• 54:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Marty Supreme deserves a spanking, you know, frankly, like the, the, he, his behavior is terrible.
• 54:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's like, if he had just, like, I could have gotten the $700 in a way other than robbing his, you know, friend at gunpoint, maybe he could have, but he didn't need to check into the risks.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like we could say he's not got a hard scrabble life and he's not exactly plain by the rules because the rules don't play for him.
• 54:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I like that's the kind of story.
• 54:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: But when you stay at the rits, when you steal the dog, when you do the, you know, like, when you do all those things, it's like, yeah, you didn't have to do that.
• 54:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what puts you in the shitty situation.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's exactly like, you know, what I know, it's silly, it's a silly comparison.
• 54:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: But why I get frustrated and good fellows,
• 55:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: you could you should be able to just go away and live quietly and you're good but you're not because they're all stupid.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's how you feel about Marty's frame.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you feel about Josh Shafty's direction?
• 55:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned that the two and a half hours fly by, I agree with you, but what do you think about his direction in the movie and how he presents like puts a 1980 score to a 1950s movie yet still makes it feel like a
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I love the choice of the music, I think it works.
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's one of those things where when it works great, it's awesome.
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like you have a night and shining armor movie with heavy metal music and you're like, yeah, this is exactly what I need, or Rushmore that has British invasion music.
• 55:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and it's what the effect that it has and I think what putting the 80s music in this movie has is it's almost like it creates a what I would call a dynamic period piece, which is that it's the 50s, but it isn't the 50s because it's the 50s driven by 80s music.
• 56:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think that's, and that gives you a different, different feeling and that, and, you know, Connecticut's my word for his direction throughout the whole thing, because that it's never going to you're never going to quite catch your balance.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's always driving forward.
• 56:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: You never as soon as, you know, the, you know, the, as soon as one thing gets solved, three more things pop up, three more conflicts appear.
• 56:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's scrambling in another direction to do a thing in because he is not a predictable character.
• 56:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Word, we never know where it's going to go and, and this is the other thing about Marty Supreme that I think is great.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 56:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't a hundred percent ever get to really know what he's thinking or what he's feeling.
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing's like quiet moments of reflection.
• 56:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Should I be doing, should I be doing this?
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: We just see that he has this passionate fire to achieve the things that he wants to achieve.
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there is no kind of
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's like, we're talking, we're doing a few good men right now.
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: We just talked about the scene where Kathy is sitting all alone.
• 57:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And for the Arlington Memorial Bridge at night, reconsidering what he needs to do or putting everything together and deciding if he wants to take the case or not.
• 57:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's none of that with Marty.
• 57:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: There is this undeniable belief that he must achieve what he must to achieve.
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a battering ram to achieve these things.
• 57:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And by the end, though, Steve,
• 57:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's your feeling on the ending?
• 57:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he's done?
• 57:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he's now finished?
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think the things that happened at the end of the movie are like saying, okay, you had to run, you had your moment in the sun.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's time to embrace being a normal person in this world.
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is an interesting question because I've only seen the movie once.
• 57:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I go, I have a feeling my feelings on that moment.
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to evolve.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's because it's kind, it's not exactly, it's not like the ending of the graduate, but it is, but it is, have a feeling, like I don't trust Marty, supreme at all.
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I, so no, I don't, my feeling watching it this time was,
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't changed.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to do exactly the same stuff again.
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was my feeling.
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's your feeling at the end?
• 58:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question, even though I asked it, I don't mean to be... No, congratulations.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, couple of it yourself.
• 58:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I don't mean to... Oh, Marty.
• 58:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Marty.
• 58:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's more, I think this is, I think it's going two ways, right?
• 58:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you in one way that it could go that he hasn't changed and something else will now be the thing that he wants to achieve and it will say to himself, I have to achieve because I have a child now and I have a wife now or I will eventually have a wife now and I've got to
• 58:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is what happens to a lot of people, right?
• 58:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ed O'Neill in Merid with Children.
• 58:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was a high school superstar.
• 58:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I could have been a book.
• 58:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they live in that place of like, I tasted greatness once in my life and he'll forever remember that he did it.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But will this be a fading memory that looks back on and wonders what could have been?
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or will this be the inspiration to go like I got this out of my system?
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can now relax settle into a nice life and remember that time fondly rather than thinking about what could have been.
• 59:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's two interesting ways for me to me in my mind where I could go at that end.
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I like it because it leaves you thinking about it.
• 59:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, if this was Rocky one, just wait for the whole, the Martyverse, we're going to have a whole series of these.
• 59:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the Japanese champion will call them out, call them chicken, and do all these kinds of things.
• 59:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's very possible.
• 59:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is nominated for nine Academy Award Steve, best picture, best director, best actor, best screenplay, original screenplay, best casting, best cinematography, best productions, like best editing, best costume design.
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's got to tell you that there's quite a lot of people in quite a lot of categories who really like this movie,
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there has been some pushback to the film.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, what do you feel about any of the criticisms?
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any criticism about this movie?
• 1:00:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the criticisms are.
• 1:00:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: What does that mean?
• 1:00:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So people feel like they're able for era storyline is completely wasted and kind of shoved in.
• 1:00:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's unnecessary for the movie.
• 1:00:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: The storyline with him and Pendulette, that whole sequence.
• 1:00:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people feel that that is unnecessary to be in the movie.
• 1:00:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really thoughts on that.
• 1:00:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It throws off the rhythm of the film.
• 1:00:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I, okay, I didn't feel that way at all.
• 1:00:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was totally involved.
• 1:00:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I never didn't bump on it, even a little bit.
• 1:00:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: If some people had that experience, then, you know, that is what it is.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: But no, I didn't feel it.
• 1:00:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why did you feel that way?
• 1:00:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, not at all.
• 1:00:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I liked it.
• 1:00:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I first of all, I like April for air.
• 1:00:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's an unusual cat in a lot of ways in the world of film.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the sequence was a lot of fun in terms of like, what it shows you about Marty.
• 1:00:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And how it puts Marty in legitimate danger
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And his girlfriend in Legitum, or the woman that he was having a affair with, in Legitum at Danger, in that whole situation, and the way it all plays out, once again, he's a guy who is essentially foraging for what's left off dead people so that he can achieve the things he wants to achieve.
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it shows that he's even in that moment, he's willing to do what he needs to do in order to get to the next thing that he wants to get to.
• 1:01:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:01:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:01:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that to me is sort of, when you said there's controversy or something, I'm like, oh, there's some scandal that I don't, you know, so, so, so like, okay, you know, to me, it's, it's really funny.
• 1:01:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: In, in, there, I think this movie is my second or third choice in most of the categories, it's nominated in.
• 1:01:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not that I don't think those things are great.
• 1:01:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, I think the costumes are great.
• 1:01:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the costumes and sinners are amazing.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
• 1:01:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like that, then so it's, it's, and I feel like that about a lot of the film.
• 1:01:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's got a ton of nominations, which is fantastic.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the one is shallomace.
• 1:01:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems the most likely to win.
• 1:01:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think casting is another one because what a great assemblage of interesting people,
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's casting, you know, fine, saying that this interesting person can play this part.
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's one I could get, but no, I don't see this as pulling down a whole bunch of Oscars.
• 1:02:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 1:02:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to say that I thought the score not being nominated was a bit of a crime.
• 1:02:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like the score, a Daniel Lopatin score in here was really good.
• 1:02:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was an essential character in the movie as well.
• 1:02:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'll reiterate this battle that I have all the time.
• 1:02:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they should increase the number of nominees for category.
• 1:02:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean you have to fill every slot, but I think there should be more because there's a lot of great work going on up there that isn't being recognized, even though we're more movies or qualifying for these categories.
• 1:02:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I just feel like it should be expanded so that we can recognize more artists in this way.
• 1:02:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, any fun of words here on Marty Supreme, as we close the book on this film, Steve?
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think this, this is why I've really enjoyed this move, this year of movies because we're all over the place.
• 1:03:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we were on Bryce track.
• 1:03:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: We were back in Elizabeth in England and now we're in 50s ping pong lands.
• 1:03:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's great.
• 1:03:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I want movies to do.
• 1:03:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want to take me to different places and tell me different stories and so far I'm really enjoying them.
• 1:03:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: agreed.
• 1:03:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you to everyone who's listen to our breakdown of F1, Hamlet and Marty Supreme will be back with another collection of three movies to talk about and then we'll do another collection with the full last four movies we're going to talk about here on our Oscar series and as Steve said at the beginning of the show, don't forget
• 1:03:31
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• 1:03:34
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• 1:03:38
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• 1:03:47
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• 1:03:50
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• 1:03:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: From my partner Steve Morris, I'm John Rokin.
• 1:03:55
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