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#308 - Could Nick Fuentes Trade Chaos for Power? What If He Worked With Trump? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Nick Fuentes has been certainly a lightning rod the last year or so,
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  and I just want to bring to the table, imagine if there was a world where Nick
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  Fuentes linked arms and, you know,
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  embraced Donald Trump, and Donald Trump embraced him. Could it be possible?
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  I immediately go to the song, imagine if there's no heaven,
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  or imagine there's no hell below, like with John Lennon, imagine if all the podcasters,
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  the right podcasters got together and put their heads together and came up with
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  a better solution than just opposing Trump's administration instead of just
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  trying to correct it and try to, you know,
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  lambast it, but like bring some actual solutions.
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  And what if Donald Trump linked arms with the right podcasters?
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  I want to bring this up because there are things that I agree with with Nick
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  Fuentes, but there are things that I certainly disagree with.
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  And I've shared that in numerous videos.
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  We're going to start off with what I agree with. This was Nick Fuentes on Dave
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  Smith's show, and they got into Trump's administration and how he's going about everything.
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  And Dave Smith brought up Pat Buchanan and how he was very good for his time.
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  But Nick immediately corrected him and said, but Pat Buchanan was not a winner.
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  And I think about what is different between Buchanan and Trump in 2016,
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  when Trump was running in the primary, they said, will you endorse the eventual
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  nominee if you don't get it? And Trump said no.
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  He said, I have a lot of leverage. He said, so I'd like to run as the Republican.
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  But if I can't have the nomination, then maybe I'll run independent.
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  And they said, well, Hillary Clinton will surely win. And he said,
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  well, yeah, then I then elect me as the Republican.
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  Otherwise, I'll tank the whole thing. And to me, that's like and I told them
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  that actually at the dinner.
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  I said, that is when you were at your apex because you were playing to win.
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  That's what I knew you were serious. You weren't just going to say, well, if I win, I win.
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  If I don't, I guess we'll just have Republicans. It's like that burn the boats mentality.
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  That's what we, we as the base need to develop that kind of consciousness or that leadership.
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  No, I get that is something I certainly agree with Nick Fuentes.
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  I love that mindset of his. That's
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  why I'm so drawn to him. I don't know about you. I am drawn to that.
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  Winning, winning at all costs. Burn the boats mentality.
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  That's the way I brought up like the chaos. I, you know, I've,
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  I've, I've said that at times.
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  I like a little bit of chaos. I got a little bit of joker in me,
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  but you got to like harness it and use it for a greater purpose.
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  And I think he goes off the rails because he goes too far and he takes it to
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  its extreme as opposed to telling Donald Trump where he's wrong.
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  But then how can I make it better? Because he always says, well,
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  Trump, he's completely lost me. The right has completely lost me. You've lost my vote.
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  Nick, we know that Trump has lost your vote. We know that the right has lost your vote.
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  You're not going that way. And it doesn't matter. It's not your lost cause at
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  this point on their side.
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  It's like, why can't you come a little bit more, move a little bit closer to.
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  It takes a little bit, a little bit of humility to do that, but say,
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  how can I make it better where you're at?
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  And I know it's, he's, he doesn't want just the, the lesser of two evils.
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  He wants to kind of just burn it all down so we can build it up in his own image.
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  That's where I see it. That's how I see it.
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  Might not be correct. I might be wrong about that, but that's where I see it.
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  I think he could bring a lot more like better ideas if he just came to the,
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  came to the party because the ones in power are is
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  donald trump and the administration that he's going
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  to leave behind after he's gone i disagree with
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  the way things are going right now i'm i'm not going to be i'm not where i think
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  everything trump does is gold it's not it doesn't feel like that because if
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  we're honest we're getting months into this war with iran it seems like it's
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  just stagnating just like where are we going from here i want to get moving
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  to that in a second but i also want to look at,
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  this is where it actually is a little bit stronger.
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  He talked with Stephen Crowder and this perfectly exemplifies where Nick is
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  at because Stephen Crowder brings up to him, what could the right do to earn your vote?
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  And he gives out like pretty easy things that like you could get on board with,
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  you know, social right issues, things that, you know, that stand for your values as a conservative.
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  But if a person was all of that, but they they supported the war in Iran,
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  could you could you get on board? Could you support that person?
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  And Nick's answer was very enlightening.
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  Would you vote for like a democratic socialist like Bernie Sanders,
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  but he's against the war in Iran and he talks a lot about global jury?
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  Or would you vote for the person who is America first to the right on all issues,
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  including immigration, including labor, including tariffs, including social issues?
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  But he supported the war in Iran. And as far as he goes, there's no more funding for Israel.
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  I mean, that's that's a pretty extreme hypothetical. It is an extreme hypothetical.
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  But what matters to you more? I don't know.
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  But what I would say before we go any further, just that itself. he
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  and he he could not he would not because
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  he has one thing on his mind that it's it's if it's if it goes with supporting
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  somehow with Israel that and and I've really backed off on this I'm not like
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  where like I'm supporting Donald Trump at all costs I I agree with certain things
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  that he's doing is is doesn't seem like I don't see I don't see your vision Mr.
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  President I don't see where we're
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  going I don't see an off road of where we're at with the war with Iran.
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  Because it's now it's just it's just a
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  lot of just threatening i'm going
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  to do something i'm going to bomb your civilization i'm going to
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  wipe you off the mat will you also come
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  to the party it would come to the table and negotiate with me but you got to
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  keep in mind i i do agree like with donald trump that he he's dealing with people
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  that aren't that trustworthy they're crazy they really are like and i'm not
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  saying the people of iran are like that not all of them but the people People
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  that get into this mind virus.
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  I wanted to back off the rhetoric that I used, but of Islam.
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  I see it as, I don't know how else to say it.
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  It seems like it's very dangerous when people want to strap bombs in themselves,
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  want to mow down their population that opposed them.
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  So it's like you're dealing with those type of people. But I agree that the
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  Israel component is weird.
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  Do we need to stay out of it completely?
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  Like, can we as America come in and do good for it, into the situation?
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  Because otherwise, who knows what Israel will do?
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  And I get that. That's why it's like, I understand it's reasonable to understand
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  that what Israel does to America and how they are just pulling us along.
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  It feels like that at times. It seems like that.
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  I get that from both angles. I get that. But it's like what Nick's doing,
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  he's just opposing all of this.
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  He will not extend an olive branch whatsoever to come to where the administration is at.
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  Like, could Nick on his show next week come out and say, Mr. President, I'm here.
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  If you want to talk to me, I'm willing to listen.
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  I'm willing to be maybe a part of
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  like an advisory role of your
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  administration of saying like i'm because
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  he's obviously leading the younger vote in this
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  major groiper movement that are
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  going to be like you got to deal with them you have to
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  deal with them you can't just brush them off like they they don't
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  have any power i understand there is a difference between
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  thinking they have more power than they really do because we
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  saw in the election with thomas massey he lost so
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  like the the social these influencers out
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  there they didn't have as much power as it would seem
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  that they have but you also have to agree that
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  like soon the people that are in power now the older
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  generation is going to go away eventually and the
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  up-and-comers if we if like it's not attacked ahead on they're going to they're
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  going to take our country in a crazy direction and this is where i'm at honestly
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  i i battle between in myself like i i like a little I like to know, like.
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  Like I want something interesting to happen.
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  And I want something to actually not just be in a day by day of like,
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  this is so boring and bleak and things aren't getting better because it's like,
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  I understand like going over to countries and trying to occupy and conquer other
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  nations, which I'm all for.
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  I'm for that. I don't know about you. And I know a lot of people aren't like that.
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  Like, I think as America, I like would, I would like that we conquer and take
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  over other nations. I would like that.
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  It's not saying like, that's just how I feel. That's how I feel.
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  Because I think we have a lot to offer as America. And I think if more of the
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  world was like America, it would be better.
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  Because a lot of people, like, if you're honest, whenever you go outside of
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  America, people just want to get back to America.
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  They can't wait till they, it's fun to visit over there. But imagine everywhere was America.
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  Imagine that, you know, that would be pretty cool. It would be pretty cool.
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  And Nick, he's, I think, a little bit short-sighted because he's okay on our
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  side of the hemisphere over here, like taking over Greenland, taking over Venezuela,
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  Cuba, all this over here, and even Canada doing what we did over in the Middle
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  East, do it to Canada, which I'm good. I want to do that too.
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  But like, why not everywhere, man?
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  Why not? Why, like, short us, you know? Like, let's actually think bigger.
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  And the Israel side is just, it's weird. It's like, Like, why,
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  like, just like, I'm taking a step back.
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  What if we actually thought about using Israel for our purposes,
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  how we think that they're controlling us and using us.
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  What if we wanted to use them and said, and like, and like not, not go whatsoever.
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  And if it's not in our interest, but like what's happening over there,
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  and I'm not going to say just the, the short-sighted, oh, there's a,
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  they could nuke us. The Iran could have a nuke.
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  They haven't nuked us in, you know, like 40 years or whatever.
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  They haven't tried it or that.
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  But like it, but I understand the point, like if they actually did,
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  it would be different as opposed to, you know, Russia or China or North Korea having a nuke.
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  If people that are jihadist extremists who want to usher in this,
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  where Islam controls everything, because there would be a major difference between
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  like if Christians controlled the world as opposed to Muslims controlling the world.
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  You could definitely see a difference because Christians aren't going to force
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  you to you. You have to be a Christian, but Islam, you have to become Islam
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  or you have not Islam. You have to become Muslim.
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  So it's like there is a major difference there. But I want to get into this
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  where just we're letting Nick carry out his thought of where he gets into Israel
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  and he sees the danger of us supporting them because they take it a little bit too far.
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  Here's the thing. I can't support somebody that supported the war in Iran because,
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  and here's the big picture about it.
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  What is actually the end game here? You can't say, well, if Israel doesn't exist,
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  Israel does exist and they have existed and they have nukes.
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  And that is the central, they have an undeclared nuclear arsenal.
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  And that is really at the center of this. And again, Israel has a foreign policy
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  that they've engaged in for a very long time of destabilizing and destroying
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  all their neighbors with the help of the United States, with the influence of
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  the Israel lobby in the United States.
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  So you can't say like, well, if Israel didn't exist and if this and if that,
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  Israel's plan is to use the United States to topple Iran. Why?
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  So that they are uncontested in the region. They don't want any rivals.
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  Why? So that they can dominate.
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  This is like big picture geopolitics. This is the center of the world island.
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  Okay. You have Europe, Asia, Africa. This is where all the world's resources are.
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  All the commerce is going to go through that rimland area through the Middle
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  East, the Red Sea, the Persian Gulf, and then overland through the Middle East.
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  They're going to control all of that.
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  They're going to have a Gemini over that, over the Arabian Peninsula,
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  that will make them something like a superpower. I know that sounds crazy to
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  say. No, that doesn't sound crazy.
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  That doesn't sound crazy at all. And I agree with Nick in how he's.
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  I agree with his overall strategy. I don't agree with his tactics.
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  And I agree with his mentality, his mindset of winning America first,
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  America to dominate, to conquer. I love that.
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  I love that he points out what Dave Smith did not point out,
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  which they look back at Pat Buchanan like he was this awesome figure, and he was. He was great.
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  I don't know too much about Pat Buchanan, but I know what they're talking about.
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  But it's like, he lost. He was not a winner.
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  Donald Trump had me from the get go. I wanted him to become president before he became president.
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  Because I saw him like he was saying things like we lost our like soldiers,
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  our blood and treasure over in these countries that we're going over and defending
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  and fighting for. And we're not taking the oil.
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  Like if you're like, when did it become like Alexander the Great wasn't like
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  a badass? Like Alexander the Great conquered, took over lands because he wanted
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  to spread his way of life.
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  It's like, what better like thing to do for a U.S.
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  President to spread the best way of life in the world to other countries to
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  have like not to just say like we conquered you, you that you belong to us or whatever.
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  But like innocent in a sense it's like
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  kind of like that kind of you know it's like it's not like they everybody becomes
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  a u.s citizen but but there is like if a pathway to become a u.s citizen but
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  it's like we take over in their resources and we we spread our influence i like
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  that i don't know about you maybe that's just.
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  Seems kind of kookery and i know a lot of people just want to just be like
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  oh that's nonsense and they don't even want to talk about that like
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  really are you i mean this is like
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  we're living in a virtual world i mean it's a real world but it's like we only
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  have this one life let's like let's have let's have fun with it you know and
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  if it's like if you're america it's not like you're spreading anything terrible
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  we're not like like conquering them we're bringing everyone a better way of
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  life instead of just going in there fixing their problem walking out and then
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  it just turned into crap when we, when we leave.
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  I, that's kind of how we see things go over and over repeatedly.
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  Nick, I like, I like his strategy. I don't like his tactics.
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  I don't like the way he's going about this necessarily, but I get it. I do understand this.
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  I'm not somebody that's just been red pilled the last year or so.
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  I've been red pilled since I was born.
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  And you can say that's not, you're not red pilled at all. I think I am.
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  I pretty easily see, and I understand because I, I see the comments come in
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  like, oh, you don't get, you don't get Tucker Carlson.
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  You don't get Nick Fuentes, what
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  they're talking about. You don't get how Israel is just controlling us.
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  The Jew organized Jewry, they're controlling us and pulling the strings and doing all this.
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  I do get it. I do understand it, but I don't see it as such a terrible problem.
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  If we don't like fight back, if we don't like use it for good purposes,
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  we like, and I know that's not, that's not making sense how I'm saying it.
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  I see Israel just to be upfront and honest.
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  I see them as a, as God chosen people. I do see that. I do see that,
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  but I'm not saying I see them as they're, they're perfect.
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  It's just like in like, if you're familiar with the Bible in the old Testament,
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  they, they like all of their Kings were evil.
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  Do you understand that? Every, like pretty much every one of them,
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  you think goes through the list and like, there's like two, maybe two that were
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  good Kings and they did a lot of bad, but it doesn't remove who they are as
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  the people that God chosen.
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  And he has like a fondness, a, an election, a gift, a responsibility he's given
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  them. Like, that's where I'm at with that. But then like.
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  And I know people don't agree with that. But me recognizing that doesn't mean
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  I have to support them in every which way.
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  But it's just recognizing who they are.
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  And it's like us as the United States, just like think about if we go back in
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  time, you know, like the king of Persia, you know, that might be a little bit
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  more connecting to today.
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  Or the, you know, the king of whatever, Assyria, the king of Greek or Greece, Rome, whatever.
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  I don't know. But they had relationships with Israel. but
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  it's like all these other kingdoms they have risen they went
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  up and they have fallen but like Israel has stayed and
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  and they're a kingdom that has that went away and
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  has come back and has come back they've tried to rebuild it's like how why don't
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  we come alongside them recognize who they are maybe not support everything they
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  do if we don't if we don't want to be in the war with Iran don't be in the war
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  with Iran because I I really I I don't see the benefit us of us being over there necessarily.
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  I get the talking points that Trump says we can't let them have a nuke.
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  That does seem kind of bogus.
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  It does seem a little bit bogus. I get that.
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  We've destabilized it over there. But like if we used it as like our presence
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  over there to not just, you know, bomb them and leave, but like to take over,
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  spread our influence, you know, like and use Israel. Let us use them.
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  Let us use you. You know, I know that seems so weird and that sounds ugly.
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  But I mean, everybody says they're using us, they're controlling us,
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  they're pulling us every which way. Why don't we get a part of that game?
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  Why don't we actually do it?
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  And I think behind the curtain, Donald Trump is doing that.
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  He supports Israel, but only in so much as they benefit him and the United States.
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  And I don't necessarily see his end game. I don't see his vision of what's going to come of this.
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  So it seems like it's easy, like clickbait or rage bait for the people on the
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  right, these social influencers that are speaking their mind and saying all
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  this nonsense really is just nonsense.
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  It like a lot of it is because it's not taken in calculation of all of these
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  things of how it could better the U S and bet like better America.
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  So I get, I understand Nick's point to burn it down.
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  He wants to burn it down, restart and I like that, but your endgame does not make sense.
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  Nick's endgame does not make sense. Say we just lay low, we lay low and we just
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  let's get the Democrats to win.
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  We just want them to win for some reason. I get it. I know why he's doing it.
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  It's not like I don't understand. I know why he's doing it.
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  He wants to make it ripe, ripe for the pick and for somebody,
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  some unknown figure to step in.
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  In 2028. That's what, that's his whole point, why he's doing it.
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  But like, why just sit back and let it hit you in the face as opposed to making it happen?
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  Like Donald Trump is a crazy MF-er, you know, he is crazy.
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  It's like, why not get alongside him? You have the ability, Nick,
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  step into the administration, say, hey, I'm going to lay low on the crazy rhetoric
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  of, you know, dropping the N-word and all that and saying the vile things that
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  he does. He says vile things.
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  Maybe that's his whole thing. I think he needs to grow up from that.
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  I think he needs to mature from that. Let that go.
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  Why not step in to put yourself, position yourself in a way that you can actually
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  be a part of the administration for good.
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  Turn it which way you want. Be the neck that turns the head however you want.
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  But if you're just sitting on the sidelines and just get everybody riled up to vote Democrat.
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  If you couldn't get whoever these people that you're talking about to not let Massey in.
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  What kind of, how do you think that you're going to bring, like make such a
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  huge difference by getting these people to vote the Democrats in?
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  Why does that seem like a better idea? How does that even seem more plausible?
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  I know you're trying to get a lot of younger guys to get in like big positions
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  of power, not expose their power level.
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  And so that they can have, you know, think about years down the road,
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  but like, why not do something now?
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  Why not like make yourself more palatable to the administration, to the Jews,
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  to like people, to Israel and say, cause you could,
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  you could, you could throw up a flag and say, Hey, I'm not throwing away all
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  my principles, but I'm at least going to step to the table that I'm going to
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  be taken seriously and not just piss everybody off because I've listened to Nick.
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  And if you, you get into listening to him, you will just become an angry person.
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  You will become an angry person that shouts and spews a lot of just vitriolic evil. You will.
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  You will. And I've done it. And I've done it.
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  But it's like, if you actually step back and take these issues as what they
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  really are, and you're going to make a difference, lean into Donald Trump.
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  Start tweeting at him. Start posting towards him. And not just say,
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  because we know what, anything happens, if he discovers a way to create gold
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  out of nothing, Nick Fuentes is not going to be happy about it.
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  He'll find something to be upset about it because he's locked into this ideology.
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  And I agree, it's good to be ideological.
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  It is.
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  It's like you can't be everything of one thing and not of a consummation of a lot of things.
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  You can be like crazy ideological, but you got to be practical.
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  You got to put both of those in there and not just be just a person when you're
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  on camera, you're crazy, but actually make some concessions that brings you
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  into like the good graces of Donald Trump to influence them that way.
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  That's where i i see i think he could do so much more good than he had then
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  he's leaving on the table i mean you're almost you're getting out of your 20s
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  you're almost out of that i know you're getting closer to the age you can run
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  for president but still that's still eight years away,
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  why not actually make some influence now now i
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  mean not not just be a like a dog that just hides
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  everything i gotta hide everything so people don't see my true colors
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  let them see your true colors let me see what you really think but
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  be a little bit more congenial so that they can accept
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  you so that they can bring you in and so
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  that you can make better and more like
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  real impact and influence if you want america first i'm for america first i'm
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  for like i mean america first that's what i am for i want that 100 and i want
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  everybody in america to be rich to be have so much money assignment it's not even funny.
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  Money's not the end all be all but like it's like we're
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  going over to these wars we're doing these things where so we can
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  have more oil in venezuela and all this stuff but the regular americans
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  i've said it before americans should be royalty or
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  we should treat them as royalty you know i i don't know about you they said
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  it seemed like like pie in the sky to some people it's not i think this is this
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  is what people really think but they don't want to say it because they want
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  to be politically correct and they don't want to be canceled so i i get it so
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  it's from both sides and who's going to cancel you.
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  You could say the Jews, but like, I, I, I'm very sympathetic to the Jews. I'm very sympathetic.
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  I, and I'm not a person that just like, I defend Israel and I defend the Jews,
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  but it's like, I don't see it making any, anything better for me.
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  I'm speaking what I believe.
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  I don't, I don't, I'm not just defending Israel for the sole purpose of that.
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  I'm defending them because I, I believe that they really do have.
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  Ties into the Bible, like really, like it's not something just a sweet past
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  that they really, but that doesn't make them everything they do is gold.
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  They have a chosen calling, but it doesn't make that like that God loves them
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  more. That isn't, that's not the point.
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  It's just like, that's just who they are. God chose them for a purpose.
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  And he, and what he chooses, he doesn't go back on.
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  That's where I'm on that. But like, I just think Nick is, he's leaving a lot
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  of, a lot of money on the table, you know, or whatever you want to call it,
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  whatever you want to say, he could have so much greater impact and make,
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  make black people's lives actually better and towards something.
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  It's like, catch it early on, catch this mindset, this vision early on,
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  as opposed to just, you're going to go off on the deep end, man.
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  You're going to, you're going to, you're leading people to something that could
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  be very bad because you're just riling them up.
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  And it's just, I know you're not saying about like, there are all these people
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  are against Israel and the Jews or whatever.
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  You're not making it that because we, but you're creating offshoots like a Dan
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  Bilzerian and the people that go that way.
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  Or who's that other guy, that other fight back podcast guy. I don't even,
• 24:38
  I don't even remember that he's always into it or whatever.
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  I don't remember his name, but he, but like he keeps going back with, or Sneeko.
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  It's like, you're adding fuel to their craziness. As opposed to,
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  you're a smart guy. You're, you're smarter than these people.
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  Don't take your smartness and take it for an evil purpose. Maybe bring it in,
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  reel it in a little bit, and take it for a good purpose overall.
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  All right, I'll leave it at that. Let me know what you think.
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  Drop a comment, smash that like button, and I hope you have a good Rushler weekend. See y'all.