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From Minnesota to Caracas: Crushing Communist strongholds at home and abroad · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  I'm Nate Kane.
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  And we've got a lot to talk about today on the second and third segment.
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  But for this first segment, I really want to kind of key in on what I've been seeing as communism or Marxism or whatever you want to call it that has reared its ugly head here in America today.
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  And we are seeing this on display in places like Minneapolis in California and other places where ICE is trying to do their job of actually enforcing the law, the laws that currently exist, the laws that were voted into place by the citizens of the United States of America.
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  And the fact is you've got people that have come to this country in very large amounts, uh, largely due to the lawlessness that was going on during the Biden administration with his open borders policy and his catch and release policy.
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  And now we are seeing just uh rapid, a rapid escalation, I should say, of violence and propaganda and protest that is clearly being organized and funded because you've got a lot of the same people at all these different events, and they are doing everything from assaulting ICE officers, uh, border patrol officers and police officers who are all cooperating and working together to largely go after really hardened criminals.
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  I mean, they're not necessarily pulling people out of cars, you know, simply because they they look Hispanic.
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  That's not what's going on here.
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  What's happening is they are executing warrants that they have for people who have deportation orders that they have ignored, uh, or they are going after known uh threats to public safety and are basically going and catching these people.
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  Now, what happens is sometimes maybe you have somebody who's not a violent person, but they are sitting in the car with the violent felon.
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  And so, of course, if they're here illegally, they're gonna get rounded up too.
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  So that is what is happening, folks.
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  Uh, that is what is going on, and it has been just a unbelievably crazy thing to see these guys because they make no sense.
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  When you see people go out there uh and try to talk with them and try to get their perspective on things, they clearly have no idea what the word fascism even means.
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  They have no idea what a king is.
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  I mean, it's just it's absolute absurdity.
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  Uh, there's been a lot of this going on in Portland for a very long time, but it seems that this madness has spread all over the country.
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  And I think there are people who have been funding it, people like the Open Society Foundation, which of course is funded by uh or organized by George Soros.
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  And I think it's time, you know, to consider uh when you have public officials like the governor of Minnesota and the mayor of Minneapolis actually calling for resistance and calling for resisting the law, resisting the federal government from enforcing our immigration laws.
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  I think it's time to, you know, basically bring in the feds and start arresting some of these people for inciting a riot.
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  And that is what I am calling for.
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  Uh, whether or not they institute the insurrection act, you certainly have some insurrectionists when you have public officials that are basically putting the lives of these brave men and women at risk.
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  One of the other things that I think needs to be seriously considered by the current Department of Justice, uh, I believe there needs to be an investigation into groups like Open Society Foundation and other organizations or other, you know, billionaire moguls who are donating money to these violent protest causes.
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  Look, um, I'm all for free speech, but what I'm not for is I'm not for the Chinese communist party, basically running their funds through charities in order to basically fund uh, you know, disruption and insurrection in our own country.
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  I mean, I think that's what's going on.
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  I think there's ample evidence of that, whether it was the pro-Palestinian groups, whether it was ICE, whether it was the summer of love, you know, back uh, you know, even a few years back.
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  All of these groups seem to have the same people coming out for them.
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  Clearly, these people don't have jobs.
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  Uh, you have professionals basically instituting these types of violent actions.
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  And I don't think it's gonna stop unless we start targeting the source of funds and you know, start actually going after the people who are instigating it, who are behind the scenes pushing for this stuff.
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  I would not doubt that there are some public officials that are also maybe even being paid through campaign donations and whatnot by some of these uh organizations that want to push their philosophy of how uh you know immigration should be, or basically that there should not be any borders in our country.
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  That's not gonna happen, folks.
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  Uh, we have a constitution, we have law and order, and thank God we have President Trump and the leaders that he has put in place everywhere from ICE, border patrol, U.S.
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  Marshals, and uh Department of Homeland Security.
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  We've got an amazing group of people that are really standing up and doing a the job of cleaning up the mess that was left here by four years of just unchecked borders and catch and release.
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  And now what you have being, you know, basically promulgated upon the American people in the businesses that are in these areas, uh, you know, is Marxist propaganda being pushed by somebody.
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  It clearly is not being pushed, I don't believe, by that funding, I guess, is originating here in the United States.
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  And certainly if it is, uh, these people need to be arrested because uh they are it's not about protest anymore.
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  Uh, they are attacking and assaulting our officers, attacking people's vehicles, uh, you know, at the hotels.
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  They are trying to obstruct justice.
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  And many of these people who are involved directly in that stuff really don't know what they're doing.
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  I mean, they they really are the epitome of the useful idiot that you always hear talked about.
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  And I can't remember who it was that coined that phrase.
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  I don't know if it was Goebbels or or uh, you know, or if it was uh Lenin or one of those guys, but but the point is that you've got a lot of very unintelligent, uneducated, simple-minded sheeple that are willing to get out there and riot and and make a big scene uh, you know, and and jump on board with something that makes no sense logically at all.
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  The way that you know this to be the case is just go watch any interview that is being done by people, you know, by the not by the mainstream media who really don't do their job anymore.
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  They are not protecting the American people.
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  They are not in, you know, looking after the interest of the American people anymore.
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  But I'm talking about the small podcasters, uh, the Nick Shirleys of the world, the Nick Sorders of the world, those that are going out and actually getting out on the street, putting their own lives at risk to try to talk to these people and try to get out of them why they are really there and what they're really supporting.
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  And what you see oftentimes is you see these minders that will come over there and try to, you know, interrupt and say, oh, hey, you know, don't talk to this guy, or you'll see them blowing their whistles or you know, yelling into their um loudspeakers and putting it up, you know, to the ears, which that in and of itself is assault.
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  So um, but what's really bad is you've got the the Portland police, for example, that basically did nothing when a leftist crowd was attacking a conservative podcaster who was out on the street, and then when he tried to defend himself, they went and arrested him.
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  This is the kind of nonsense that's going on.
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  And honestly, that is insurrection.
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  When you have organized groups and you have the police that are actually, you know, basically being ordered by the mayors to stand down and not stop crime, not stop assaults against innocent civilians.
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  I don't know what else to call that but insurrection.
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  And I think that the time has come when I think Trump really should consider whether he uses the insurrection act or whether he uses the FBI and the DOJ to go in and make some arrests of some of these city officials and some of these uh people who are basically telling the the cops to stand down and not uh not you know stop violence that's being committed against American citizens.
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  It's really disgusting.
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  The people protest really don't give two craps about anybody who's being deported.
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  What they're really angry about is Trump.
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  They are uh experiencing Trump derangement syndrome.
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  They are people who cannot logic.
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  They can't seem to articulate their argument, uh, which is why they resort to violence.
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  You see, that's what happens when somebody feels like they can't articulate an argument.
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  They first turn to ad hominem attacks, which is why all of the F Trump and all this nonsense.
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  But then when they see that that gets nowhere, then they turn to, of course, violence.
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  And you know, Charlie Kirk was right.
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  You know, he talked about this a lot.
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  The reason that he did the things that he did was so that there could be dialogue because he always said that once dialogue stopped, all you had left was violence.
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  And I think it's time that the Justice Department actually start treating some of these cases uh as federal cases, especially in regards to those that are inciting this violence and those that are funding it.
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  It's it's time.
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  I hope that uh Trump puts together a task force within DOJ and within the FBI to go after these public officials and these sponsors of terrorism within our own country.
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  So listen, folks, we're gonna get into a lot more on the geopolitical end of things and really what is happening around the world.
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  And I think it's gonna be a great discussion.
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  Department of State, and command experience in the Air National Guard.
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  His organization is dedicated to a world free from the false hope of Marxism, honoring the victims of communist regimes while confronting the ongoing threats posed by existing communist states such as China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and Venezuela.
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  Regimes that continue to hold captive more than one billion individuals.
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  Patterson, thank you so much for joining us.
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  So I want to kind of start off our conversation addressing what is happening in the world today.
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  There has been some major geopolitical shifts, uh, really, I think uh exemplified in our capture of Maduro and his wife and uh just unbelievable, unprecedented military operation uh, you know, that has been coined a quote unquote law enforcement operation.
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  But uh I I understand the reasons for um you know why they've they've uh coined it that way, but the reality is is that this is going to have a major impact uh on you know other communist nations, and we're already beginning to see it with uh, you know, Trump positioning and um, you know, targeting really uh Cuba and their communist government.
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  And I think there are other governments that kind of lean in that direction uh that we're already seeing that they're recognizing that they are quite vulnerable.
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  And so they better, you know, behave or uh or they're gonna, you know, lose power as well.
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  Uh, what are your thoughts on that?
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  I'd like to hear your assessment uh as somebody who who really is focused in on this particular issue of communism.
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  What do you see as what's coming in the wind with regards to uh the aftermath of uh Venezuela?
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  Well, Nate, thanks for focusing our attention on Latin America, perhaps first and foremost.
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  President Trump's new national security strategy just came out a couple of weeks ago.
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  And uh it caught a lot of people off guard because in 2017 his national security strategy had emphasized first great power rivalry, looking at China and Russia, and then kind of uh descending from there in terms of order of significance of threats to U.S.
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  national security.
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  In contrast, the new national security policy starts with the Western hemisphere and risks and threats to the United States to our interests, uh, but also to our neighborhood, our friends and neighbors in the region from these types of outlaw regimes.
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  And we're talking about Venezuela and Cuba first and foremost, but there are other places as well, such as Nicaragua that are uh that I'm gonna use your word, behave badly.
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  And the reason that they behave badly, first and foremost is they're that the leadership in these countries are driven by a leftist Marxist ideology.
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  In some places they call it communism, and some places they call it socialism, but it justifies a statist totalitarian approach to politics and a ends justify the means, disruptive behavior across the region.
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  And so that results in terrorist activity emanating from places like Venezuela.
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  They try to influence their neighbors, they fund themselves through uh through drugs and other types of illness trafficking.
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  They make friends with other rogues from around the world, for instance, Hezbollah all the way in the Middle East and the Venezuelan regime.
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  The list could go on, but they uh they attack their own people and they spread chaos across the region.
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  And that type of bad behavior rooted in their ideology is why the US has had to take action.
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  You brought up something that I think is very interesting that uh I want to get into a little bit more, and that is that communism really comes in many different it comes, it's the same thing, but it's it's comes under different names, right?
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  You know, it's whether it's socialism or
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  Or communism or totalitarianism, authoritarianism.
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  It really is an evil that is persistent in the world.
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  And I think that's an important thing to recognize because you've got countries that will utilize democratic, you know, in their name, right?
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  The perfect example, the democratic people's uh republic of China, right?
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  Um you have the same thing with uh North Korea, you know, you have the same thing with many of these countries.
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  And and I even look in our own country, and you've got the a democratic socialists of America, right?
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  You know, DSA, which they very much are aligned with uh Marxist ideology.
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  Give me a little bit of history, if you would, on how did this thing that really it started in Prussia, right?
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  You know, with Marxism, how did that spread in around the world?
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  And I mean, why is it so prevalent in so many of these countries?
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  Well, I think two things came together in communism, and one of them was the practical ideology, in other words, the praxies of the French revolution, which said burn down the old regime and trust a group of elites who have a blueprint to totally remake society, get rid of class, get rid of the church, get rid of social customs, get rid of old Morys, even get rid of our old systems of schools and things, burn it all down and start over.
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  So you've matched that type of revolutionary tactics to the ideology that we associate with Karl Marx and Frederick Engels.
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  And that ideology, the Marxist ideology says, first and foremost, that history is a story of clash, and that clash is a clash between different economic classes, and so seizing power is the way to drive the engine of history.
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  And Marx claimed that he he could foretell history that it was a science, and that we were in a stage in the 19th century of late capitalism.
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  But what would happen is that government, the elites would take over the entire economic sector, and that they would enforce, by the way, through force, a form of social equality by controlling all aspects of economic and financial life, everything from inheritances to property deeds to deciding who gets to do what types of jobs, and that over time, by controlling the economy, over time the state would control more and more and more with some sort of magical in state that everyone would be happy and equal when the government had taken over control of every part of life.
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  So you marry this willingness, this materialist secular impulse to say trust the government to take control of every part of life, matched with a revolutionary fervor that has no regard for past morality, past religion, history, customs, respect, or individual human rights, just burn it all down.
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  You put those things, two things together, and you get the Russian revolution, the Chinese revolution, Vietnam, Korea, North Korea, et cetera.
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  Well, yeah, they would see all of those things that you mentioned to be an impediment to their power, right?
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  Um this is why, you know, one of the reasons they they go so hard against the family and so hard against uh against religion because they don't want anything competing uh with their form of collectivism.
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  And that's exactly right.
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  Yeah, and and that's another thing too, is like, you know, this is the other thing that I think is important to distinguish.
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  And this is one of the things I I really wish uh, you know, that in the academic world that we would do is instead of focusing on the labels of communism or socialism or or fascist or whatever, really identify like a set of of ideals that are just dangerous in general to you know to uh human rights.
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  And and they all do stem to have the they all do tend to have the same thing, and really it's a like a form of collectivism or monopoly, if you will, of power.
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  And uh, you know, whether that is the government that is entirely in control or whether it would be a corporation that would be entirely in control, uh, you know, both of those things are dangerous.
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  Um, I would say the government is is even more dangerous because with that they wield the power of the law.
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  But uh, we saw you know, a form of collectivism that occurred in America uh in a smaller way.
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  Uh I live in West Virginia, and West Virginia is known as a coal, you know, state.
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  And there were multiple mining operations that were monopolized.
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  And you had corporations that had people living in homes that were owned by the corporation.
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  Uh people had to buy food and and you know, buy their things from the company store, and they were paid in script.
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  And so they had total control over the lives of these people, uh, which is ironically what led to unionization.
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  Uh, but there were actual uh there were legitimate battles that occurred.
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  Uh one that I was just reading about was called the the battle of Blair Mountain, uh, which was really, you know, these these company men uh coming against these uh you know individual workers that were trying to unionize.
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  So it's not as clear-cut as just calling it communism or calling it socialism.
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  There, there is a there is a a uh I guess an end goal, right?
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  Uh which is total power by whoever these people are.
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  And it seems that what communism and Marxism and particular socialism does is they they utilize uh this idea of utopia to push the narrative that uh you should give overall this control to you know to the government.
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  It's a it's a very interesting example that you gave, because on the one hand, one could say that the that type of wage slavery that you described for those coal miners, or even worse would be race-based shadow slavery in the American South.
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  One could say, look, Marx was right, uh, capitalism is evil.
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  But the the truth of the matter is you've really hit on the point about on the one hand, uh, the evils in human nature that need to be restrained by limited but appropriate government.
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  And second, what the real nature of a free market system looks like.
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  You see, a true free market economic system is one where ordered liberty and the fundamental rights that we associate with the First Amendment, uh, the rights to religion, speech, assembly, press, information, conscience, the right to private property that was assumed in the declaration of independence.
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  You know, these freedoms should be buttressed by robust but limited government that protects those for every single person, every man and woman in society.
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  That's what a real free market democratic system looks like.
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  What you're describing is a perversion of that.
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  It was a perversion where government authorities looked the other way or allowed corporate or other interests to in essence have wage slavery over their fellow citizens.
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  It was immoral, it was wrong, and it's perfectly justified by uh that type of thing was actually what led some people to be uh political socialists of a certain type that called that system evil.
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  But remember, that system was not a free market system because those people did not have rights, they were not allowed to have their rights.
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  A democracy would protect their rights, the free market would recognize their rights.
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  Yeah, that's an important distinction too, because when we talk about communism, we're not just talking about um you know the the system of government, but we're talking about economics as well.
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  And you know, the you always hear the college campus uh communists that they say, oh, well, you know, the communism is just never really been tried.
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  And and I would argue that uh that to a certain degree, they're they're not wrong, but I would say that it's impossible uh to try communism because it will never end out correctly.
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  Now, as a Christian, I recognize the idea of you know of uh evil and you know, an original sin, and this idea that all of us uh you know are susceptible uh you know to to being selfish and susceptible to seeking power and and all of that.
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  And I think that um I think it was Lord Acton who said that uh uh that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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  And and so this is the to me, the danger of collectivism, whether it's collectivism in the form of government or collectivism in the form of monopolies, you know, because that is not you like you said, it's not true free market capitalism, uh, it's crony capitalism, or it's a monopoly, which you know, interestingly enough, our founders were wise enough to see that there needed to be um laws in place that that uh prevented monopolies from the very beginnings of our country.
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  So while they they wanted total uh you know, free markets, they wanted there to be freedom, they wanted people to have liberty, they also saw that ultimately uh you know, efficiency leads to uh you know, to mergers and and acquisitions and those types of things.
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  And if you had everything under the control of one organization, they would have too much power and it would be dangerous to a free market society.
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  And so it is a it is an issue, I think, of of really combating uh, you know, this trying to find.
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  It's almost like uh, you know, you think about the human body, right?
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  Health, uh, you know, the when you're uh a healthy person, uh, they they call that uh homeostasis, right?
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  You know, which is like a balance, and we have this self-balancing system and uh disease really comes into play when that self-balancing system stops working, and it's no different for government or you know, for economics, uh, you know, within society as well.
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  I think you're reminding us of that when we look at U.S.
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  history, we have to look at it with very clear eyes, look at the challenges that we've had, the times where things have not gone right, own that, while we're at the same time recognizing the tremendous freedoms that grew over time, and that there's just no place on earth that has had this trajectory of freedom from 1620 to the present.
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  Now, I do want to kind of dispute for the record this this communism's never been tried, because I would take a slightly different approach to that and say, look, the Soviets had total power in the Soviet Union for 70 years.
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  They had total power, they could do whatever they wanted, and and they crashed the system.
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  It didn't work because it was a failure.
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  The Chinese communist party tried to practice pure communism to the point where they killed 60 million of their own people in the between the late 1950s and the early 1970s.
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  They just they were able, they had so much power that they could just get rid of millions and millions of people who were inconvenient to them, and yet it never ever worked.
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  What has propped up the Chinese communist party for the past 25 years is is that they have realized that if they can steal uh intellectual property from the West, if they can copy intellectual property that they've stolen from the West, if they can use slave labor, like the 300 Uyghur camps in the Western part of the country, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, that if they can kind of cheat in the free market system, that that there's ways that they can get economic benefits by doing that, but they're not doing it in a in a way that's consonant with democracy or free market.
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  They're cheating.
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  And so they tried, it failed.
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  Vietnam tried, it failed.
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  Cambodia tried, killed a quarter of their population in three years, it failed.
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  Cuba can't keep the lights on at night.
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  It's a failure.
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  And so over and over again, very, very empowered communist parties have had total control.
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  They've had totalitarian control in their country, but they have not made the lives of their people better.
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  They do not do innovation, they don't practice charity, in other words, they don't take care of their neighbors.
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  What is the country that that you see that is the most generous and the most charitable from its citizenry, the United States?
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  What is the country that's had the greatest stability, the United States?
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  And so democracy is as imperfect as as our free market democracy has been.
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  It has been, it is it is provided more human flourishing than any communist project has ever done.
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  Absolutely.
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  And I'm so glad that you um, you know, you brought that up.
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  I I brought that question up because that is what you too often hear from these uh, you know, college campus communists.
• 33:14
  And so I was hoping that you would address that because it really is uh a lie.
• 33:18
  There is no such thing as a functioning communist government never has has been and never will be, because the main premise is based on this idea that uh, you know, that that it doesn't, for one thing, take into consideration human nature at all and and what motivates man to you know go to work and do the things, you know, and excel at uh, you know, trying to be the best that he can be.
• 33:45
  Um, that's really something that capitalism does, uh, that communism basically, you know, creates the opposite of that.
• 33:52
  It creates laziness, it creates people not wanting to to work, not wanting to uh, you know, to to be entrepreneurial or come up with uh new innovations and ideas, and they end up resorting to, like you mentioned, with China, having to steal those ideas from other countries.
• 34:08
  So I think that's an important understanding.
• 34:12
  Now we just have to figure out how to translate that to today's generation of youth, because I think we are in a very dangerous place when you look at some of the polling that has been done uh that has uh asked young people what their opinion of socialism is.
• 34:30
  And uh with that, we have you covered a significant amount of ground in our discussion.
• 34:35
  Uh in and I um we're gonna continue this conversation uh after a short break.
• 34:41
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  America outlaw.
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  Liberty and justice for all.
• 36:39
  Usually I have a different guest uh, you know, between segments, but I felt this issue is so important that it really required, you know, the full um last two segments to to cover it.
• 36:52
  And with us, uh, if you weren't with us in the the second segment, uh you should definitely go back and listen to it because I think there's some important information there.
• 37:00
  Uh, but joining us again is Dr.
• 37:02
  Eric Patterson, president and CEO of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.
• 37:08
  Um, before we went on break, we were just about to kind of get into some of the issues that are going on in our country with our youth, uh, with young people.
• 37:18
  It seems that people have a short attention span.
• 37:21
  And uh, and and I don't know what what has been being taught in school for the last you know, 30 years that I've been out, but uh it seems to me that clearly they have not been teaching about the dangers of communism and the massive loss of life that uh came at the hands of communism.
• 37:42
  What are your thoughts on this?
• 37:43
  Where where are we at as a nation and where do we go from here to correct this?
• 37:49
  Nategon, thank you for having me.
• 37:51
  And at the Victims of Communism Foundation, our our mission is to educate all generations about the terrible legacy history and ideology of communism and communism in all its forms, Marxism, socialism, et cetera.
• 38:07
  And we do that through teacher training, through curriculum.
• 38:11
  We have curricula for elementary school up through university, we do professors' trainings, we host school groups that are victims of communism free museum uh near the White House in Washington, DC, and other ways as well.
• 38:24
  So the question that you're asking about America's youth and the next generation is very important to us.
• 38:29
  It's at the center of what we do.
• 38:31
  And I would say there are really three things that have conspired to get us to this moment where 62% of America's young people have a favorable idea of socialism.
• 38:44
  The first is when you rewrite your own history.
• 38:47
  The second is when you take out of your society religion and religious morality, and the third is when you increasingly rely on the state to take care of all of life's questions.
• 39:02
  First, rewrite history.
• 39:04
  You know, the 1619 project, it's just one of a myriad of ways that the hard left has tried to rewrite American history, not as a story of an increasing move towards freedom and equality of opportunity, but instead as a story of inequality, white privilege, et cetera.
• 39:23
  That latter is wrong.
• 39:25
  It's a neo-Marxist rewriting of history, and it happened right under our noses, first in universities, and then in our high schools and all the way down to being taught in our elementary schools.
• 39:36
  That second thing is another huge loss, and that is the dereligionization, if you will, of American society.
• 39:44
  And as uh Christianity in particular, but also other religious faiths in our in our society that's known for its religious freedom, as religion has been banished from the public square as religious ideas, religious authorities.
• 40:00
  Religious texts, religious institutions are attacked by government.
• 40:05
  We have seen a loss of the kinds of religious sentiments that that buttress law and morality in society.
• 40:14
  That's how you get to the moral confusion we've had today.
• 40:16
  And then third, young many of our young people grow up having never paid a bill, their parents have taken care of everything.
• 40:24
  School has always been free, clothes, food, their phone, their transportation.
• 40:28
  It's all been provided.
• 40:30
  And so when they're 23 or 24 or 25, they feel entitled to continue to be provided for.
• 40:36
  You put those three things together, it's a recipe for a slide to socialism.
• 40:43
  That's a very interesting point that you made, the last one.
• 40:47
  I want to talk about that for a minute because you know, obviously, as a parent, uh you you want to take care of your kids, you want to make sure that they want for nothing.
• 40:57
  Uh, but it seems that uh that you know, they you heard the term, uh, you know, spare the rod, spoil the child.
• 41:05
  The, you know, there is something to be said about having to overcome challenges, uh, having to uh work to earn something.
• 41:14
  And it seems that oftentimes when human beings, no matter what age they are, you know, when they have a have something given to them that they didn't have to earn, uh, it oftentimes uh you know it leads to ruin, right?
• 41:29
  We see this all the time with people who win the lottery, and you know, suddenly they're millionaires and they haven't, you know, they haven't lived a life of uh, you know, really managing large amounts of money and things like that, and it ends up leading to you know their destruction.
• 41:45
  Uh, we see this with kids who get spoiled and who are given everything, and they they develop your you're right, like a false sense of entitlement.
• 41:53
  So, you know, it seems to me that there needs to be a revolution in the home.
• 41:59
  And uh, you know, with the way that that parents uh raise their kids, and uh, you know, I don't necessarily think that the government should get involved in that, but I do think that in society and within our churches that maybe we need to do a better job of educating uh you know parents on you know, kind of the ills of leading a life of excess for your kids uh without them having to earn it.
• 42:23
  Um the other thing that uh I think is is equally and and by the way, that last point, I don't think people are even thinking about that when they think about the problem of of where we are today.
• 42:36
  But that you you really hit home, I think with that with me, because I I look at that and now I see it as clear as day, but I wasn't necessarily thinking about that.
• 42:47
  How do we fix that?
• 42:49
  Well, all of these are very hard to fix.
• 42:51
  I think the first one, this rewriting of history, um, frankly, the change of administrations in Washington tied into the fact that we're entering this 250th anniversary of the founding of our country gives us a moment for citizens to take stock about how just crazy things have gotten, how anti-American, how false they've gotten, and to recenter ourselves on an accurate history of our country and to have an appropriate pride in that history.
• 43:21
  And pride doesn't mean you rest on your laurels.
• 43:24
  It means we take responsibility to pass on to transmit the values of of previous generations to the next generation.
• 43:31
  On that third one, this this reliance on the state.
• 43:36
  I mean, you you said, and I and I agree with you, it really does start at home.
• 43:41
  And my own, my own what I what I see when I talk to college students, when I look at intern resumes, for instance, who want to come and be an intern at the Victims of Communism Museum, it's just how few few of them who are applying for what we do, how few of them have ever worked on a construction site during the summer, uh, have worked frontline retail where they're having to deal with customers, including I rate customers, have worked at McDonald's or Subway or driven an Amazon truck or or any of these types of of laborious intense work.
• 44:16
  And so we as parents uh can start by reasserting the value of money, the money of the value of savings and appreciation for the struggle that hard work takes.
• 44:28
  Um, in our society, we can emphasize the heroes of innovation from Benjamin Franklin to uh to George Washington Carver to Bill Gates and others today.
• 44:39
  You know, it took hard, hard work.
• 44:42
  It didn't magically happen.
• 44:44
  Those are things that we can emphasize, and really there's a character issue there about delayed gratification type personal responsibility.
• 44:54
  And and that has to start in the home, and then parents have to support that with teachers and coaches uh in our schools and and elsewhere.
• 45:06
  You you said that word, those famous words delayed gratification.
• 45:10
  I can't help but think that one of the huge shifts that has occurred in the current generation from previous ones was the advent of the internet and in particular the advent of the smartphone.
• 45:24
  That thing, uh there's been studies on this that show that the basically the same points in the brain that are impacted by you know, cocaine are the same uh receptors that are are basically being triggered uh when people are are looking on their phone for likes and and uh you know thumbs ups and things like that.
• 45:48
  It is addictive.
• 45:50
  And and I really think that there needs to be more research into this, and I think that's one of the problems that we have today, because there is no delayed gratification in that.
• 45:58
  It's instant gratification.
• 46:00
  Uh, you know, you hear about people doom scrolling, they can just sit there and scroll all day long, uh, instantly gratifying their their interest in whatever topic.
• 46:09
  And it's like a uh it is a feedback loop too, because it will the AI is so sophisticated that they they want you to keep looking because you're doing more ads, they're making more money.
• 46:21
  And so there's a built-in reward system to keep you on it and to keep you hooked.
• 46:27
  And I I really do think that that is only compounding this problem and uh, you know, of why society is the way it is today.
• 46:38
  Um completely separate issue, but I do think it's tied, you know, together with it.
• 46:43
  And I think it we have to look at a holistic approach.
• 46:46
  So I'm glad that you brought up about this issue because it's one that I don't think a lot of people really consider when they're thinking about these problems.
• 46:58
  And of course, the there's a whole the other set of issues from a national security perspective when we think about the the access that uh our phones have in terms of surveillance and things.
• 47:10
  The the Chinese Communist Party, for instance, monitors all of its own students who come to the United States through their phones.
• 47:19
  This is what was at the heart of the TikTok uh debates, uh, influence, including influence that is rewriting or shaping the um news narratives in ways that are anti-American.
• 47:31
  This was uh when you think about this larger set of technological dilemmas, the reason that the United States was so rightfully against the use of Huawei technology was the uh was the surveillance elements that were built into using that Chinese technology.
• 47:48
  It's been absolutely you know, we found uh it across the country that whether it's in computer chips or it's in chips that are in um solar panels or things, uh true kill chips that have been put in there um by the affiliates of the Chinese communist party.
• 48:03
  So when we think about this entire tech space, there's a vigilance that's required in a new way that we've really never had in the past with regards to that are adversaries and fundamental adversaries often being these communist or communist legacy regimes like Russia, like today's Chinese Communist Party, that they are actively actively, actively seeking an advantage, seeking to put in place ways to hurt us through these forms of technology.
• 48:32
  You know, that's a that's also another good point.
• 48:34
  That's something that I'm very familiar with in my background being in cybersecurity and uh in fact in national security related to cybersecurity.
• 48:41
  So I'm I'm very up to speed with that and and understand that one of the things that I can I'm concerned about in regards to technology is the prevalence of uh propaganda, uh being able to be pushed.
• 48:52
  What surprises me though is when you think back to you know, back to the 80s and 90s and you know, the time period that I was in school, um, they had the DARE program, for example, uh, and it was they found it to be extremely uh effective.
• 49:06
  And you know, it it basically it brought awareness, you know, to kids about the dangers of drugs and that sort of thing, and um, and it had a very positive impact.
• 49:14
  But I don't see a you know, a program designed to educate young people about the dangers of communism.
• 49:21
  I don't see the the United States investing in advertisements to, you know, to basically uh talk about the dangers of communism on social media.
• 49:32
  Uh, maybe that's something they need to consider because I do see it as a direct threat to, you know, to uh the United States and to our way of life, uh, to our our uh our constitution, our bill of rights, even.
• 49:46
  I'm glad to say that we're just finally, finally, finally turning a corner on this.
• 49:52
  Uh here's the good news.
• 49:53
  The good news is that we know how to do this because we've done it with the Nazis.
• 49:58
  That's right.
• 49:59
  So
• 50:00
  We have done a good job of right three, four generations now of young people, the the vast majority across every Western country, the vast, vast majority, uh know that anti-Semitism is wrong, know that racism is wrong, know that the Nazis were totally evil.
• 50:18
  And and and there's a caveat here about this kind of creeping of anti-Semitism, particularly on the left and in some parts on the right.
• 50:25
  But in general, everybody knows the Nazis were bad.
• 50:29
  Yeah, that's why they that's why they use it as an insult slur against uh you know conservatives.
• 50:34
  You know, they they don't you notice they don't say, oh, you're you're uh you know, you're a Marxist, you know, even though the Marxists actually killed way more people than the Nazis did.
• 50:43
  So yeah, 100 million victims in the 20th century, 100 million and still counting for the Marxists.
• 50:49
  But here's here's what we have to do.
• 50:51
  We have to learn that lesson and do the same when it comes to Marxism, communism, socialism.
• 50:56
  Now, there is some good news over the past few years.
• 50:59
  Eight states and three more have it in front of their state legislatures.
• 51:03
  Eight states have passed legislation, uh setting up an uh victims of communism day, November 7th, and ordering their the state's department of education in some way to increase the teaching around communism.
• 51:15
  Now, the real leader here is Florida.
• 51:18
  Florida has has passed that legislation.
• 51:20
  They have a civics committee in the Department of Education that meets every week.
• 51:25
  We have a uh one of our former full-time employees who's with us part-time now, who sits on that commission and helps with the rewriting of curricula and then bringing our standards and then bringing curriculum.
• 51:36
  For instance, in Florida, we've provided about a dozen videos.
• 51:39
  We call them witness videos, witness project videos, which are survivors of communism telling their own story.
• 51:46
  Here's what it was like in Cuba when I was a boy.
• 51:48
  Here's what it was like in North Korea when I was a teenager before I escaped.
• 51:52
  So Florida, Texas has passed this legislation, Arizona, Arkansas, and some others.
• 51:57
  That's a step at the federal level.
• 51:59
  Uh last year, uh Congresswoman Salazar passed or introduced the Crucial Communism Teaching Act.
• 52:06
  It passed the House in December of 2024, and then it stalled in the Senate.
• 52:11
  We need that to pass.
• 52:13
  Uh Congressman, uh, I'm sorry, Senator Rick Scott has legislation right now that would make the first week of November anti-communism week to time with the already existing anti-communism day.
• 52:23
  There are so we can we can make a public witness through legislation.
• 52:27
  We can force it through uh appropriate teaching and education.
• 52:31
  And we at the Victims of Communism Foundation, we stand ready with our curricular resources, as well as those of some of our allies to provide that right to schools so that we can supplement what's missing in history, civics, uh, language arts, and other forms of education.
• 52:49
  I think another key element to this whole thing is uh we've got to to root out all communists who are basically receiving public funds for you know uh you know for their income.
• 53:00
  I mean, any teacher uh who is is uh teaching our children that is a communist, they should not be uh you know getting paid by the government because they are they are I'm not opposed to a private citizen who has their own business or whatever, if they want to be a communist, fine.
• 53:18
  But if you are a teacher, you should not be allowed to be a communist, period.
• 53:23
  I I agree.
• 53:24
  We it's one thing to have freedom of speech and freedom of conscience and freedom of thought.
• 53:29
  Uh it's another thing to be on the public dole in a sense, to be a public employee paid for by taxpayers, but to stand for things that are 100% against the American ethos.
• 53:42
  Yeah.
• 53:42
  And so we should never have in public office uh individuals who say, I'm against the constitution, I'm against the American way of life, I'm against the declaration of independence, I'm against the American ethos.
• 53:56
  Uh, those people have every right in our society to make their arguments, but frankly, what they should do, and I invite them to please consider immigrating to Cuba or North Korea.
• 54:07
  Exactly.
• 54:09
  Yeah.
• 54:10
  Yeah.
• 54:10
  And I think the the why that is so critical is because the in these efforts to try to get the schools to teach, we all know that the biggest uh stronghold of communist thought is in you know, in the schools, whether it's in the you know, the colleges or in you know, every all the way down to elementary school.
• 54:28
  Um, it really is true, and we can't emphasize this enough.
• 54:32
  The the neo-Marxist lens is very simple.
• 54:36
  There's always an oppressor, and there's always an oppressed, and that's the way to think about all of history.
• 54:42
  And so they've they've taken that pretty simple lens and rewritten American history as it's always white, male, Christians against women, against people of color, etc.
• 54:56
  And they've rewritten history.
• 54:58
  And of course, it re totally dilutes the contributions of people who were, for instance, against slavery, like John Adams and others.
• 55:06
  It totally dilutes the importance of the abolition movement and the types of arguments that were made there.
• 55:12
  It totally takes away America's tremendous sacrifice in rescuing Europe during World War One and then rescuing Europe in World War II, and then standing beside Europe and truly helping rescue it from the communists with a uh during the cold war.
• 55:28
  We liberated Europe three times.
• 55:30
  And these are things to be both proud of those generations, but also to learn from them.
• 55:36
  Uh we have lost that in our education systems.
• 55:40
  And so we have to we need to go back to the basics on these things.
• 55:44
  Yeah.
• 55:45
  Cultural Marxism to me is so uh profoundly dangerous uh because it's not just about the with old communism, you know, uh it was easy to be able to define it, but cultural Marxism it continues to change.
• 56:01
  They every time something happens that doesn't fit their narrative, they move the goalposts.
• 56:06
  So an example would be uh if a black man is a conservative uh republican, then you know they call him an uncle Tom or they they say he's got whiteness, you know.
• 56:15
  It's like they they can't they can't even you know make their own arguments uh make sense.
• 56:21
  Uh the only thing that I can hope for is that as people you know get older and wiser that they will see the error of that.
• 56:27
  But it seems that you know that that only works to a certain degree.
• 56:30
  So I'm glad to hear uh the organizations like yours and are moving forward and trying to educate uh the public on this issue.
• 56:39
  We're just about at well, we are out of time, and um and this has been a great discussion.
• 56:44
  I sincerely appreciate uh you know our our distinguished guests here, uh, Dr.
• 56:48
  Eric Patterson.
• 56:49
  Um Doctor, can you please uh tell us uh where can people follow you?
• 56:53
  Where can they find out more information about your organization?
• 56:57
  Thanks again for having us.
• 56:58
  And we can be found at victims of communism.org for our website.
• 57:03
  We have a separate museum website for those who want to come and visit us, VOC Museum.org.
• 57:09
  And of course, we are on the the basic social media platforms as well.
• 57:13
  And again, easy to find if you type in victims of communism.
• 57:17
  Thank you.
• 57:18
  That's awesome.
• 57:19
  Well, you're not too far away from me, and uh, so I'm gonna have to get down there and visit your museum down in DC.
• 57:25
  And uh to our listeners and viewers, thank you for joining us.
• 57:29
  The struggle for freedom against the false promises of Marxism remain as urgent today as ever.
• 57:35
  Until next time, stay vigilant, stay informed, and God bless you in the United States of America.
• 57:40
  This is Nate Kane signing off from Unleashed the Political News Hour today.