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Ep. 611: The Duck Stamp Champ · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Cutting the Distance podcast. Thank you. Phil's here all riled up.
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  Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna do this. All pissy, not
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  Speaker 1: even gonna get into that good. That was pissy. It
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  Speaker 1: can feel Can you see this? Yeah? Should I hold it?
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  Speaker 1: The big thing or this thing?
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  Speaker 3: You can do both, Okay, the big thing would be nicer.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. It's the time of year. Well, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: people to lose sight of what we're doing here. It's
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  Speaker 1: the time of year when you go you're like, oh shit,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta buy my duck stamp. Great, and this is
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  Speaker 1: not a lie. I just got mine today. Oh, this
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  Speaker 1: is not a lie.
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  Speaker 4: They're in stock now, great.
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  Speaker 5: Where'd you go post office?
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  Speaker 1: My desk? I had some great I have performula.
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  Speaker 6: I'll have to do that.
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  Speaker 5: Hopefully a couple end up.
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  Speaker 1: One time and Kylie grab something I needed to and uh,
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  Speaker 1: for just it's a long story. It's time of year
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  Speaker 1: and you gotta go buy your duck stamp. You know
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna do this out talking about the movie Fargo.
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  Speaker 1: No one ever does. They can't. They never do it
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  Speaker 1: without talking about Fargo. You people have seen Fargoll know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm getting at. It's time of year and you
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  Speaker 1: gotta go buy your duck stamp. And we have extremely
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  Speaker 1: special guests. We have the person that paint in the
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  Speaker 1: damn duck stamp, the most prestigious.
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  Speaker 3: It's gotta be right, that's what they say.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask someone who's not you. I'm gonna ask
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  Speaker 1: another painter. We also have I'm like, there's so much
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  Speaker 1: going on with the show, it's complicated. We also have
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  Speaker 1: the junior duck stamp winter joining from South Korea where
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  Speaker 1: it's one am. So I'm trying to be aware of
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  Speaker 1: her time. She's good for a minute. Yeah, okay, so
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  Speaker 1: we're good, all right, Kelsey Kelsey. We had Kelsey Morris
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  Speaker 1: come in. She's up normally No, no discredit, Chuck, She's
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  Speaker 1: normally our She's like the resident wildlife artist. Yeah, painter,
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  Speaker 1: she's the resident painter. Is is just how prestigious is it?
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  Speaker 1: You don't paint ducks?
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  Speaker 6: No, But I'm aware. It's the highest honor.
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  Speaker 1: It's the highest honor in waterfowl, yes, painting.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the pinnacle. You know, that's what people we
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  Speaker 6: were talking about this earlier. People strive their entire careers,
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  Speaker 6: year on year to win the duck stamp.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like like in Fargo.
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  Speaker 6: Said, yeah, but yeah, it's it's a high honor. It's
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  Speaker 6: the pinnacle. Of the Duck Stamp career, you know, to
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  Speaker 6: win the Ducks Stamp.
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  Speaker 1: So and uh, this year is Montanan Chuck black one
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  Speaker 1: from right Local?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Belgrade.
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  Speaker 1: How many times you submitted?
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  Speaker 3: This is my tenth time?
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  Speaker 1: So has anyone ever won it twice? Do you call
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  Speaker 1: it winning it? What do you call it? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Went winning it? Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: No, the there's three brothers from Minnesota. A couple of
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  Speaker 7: people now I think have won it twice. But the
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  Speaker 7: three brothers the hot means, which is what they referenced
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  Speaker 7: in Fargo, which is funny how old that movie is.
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  Speaker 7: And they were winning back then. I think combined between
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  Speaker 7: the three, they're at fifteen now are they still?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? They won the last two years?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so this was my year because when you win,
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  Speaker 7: you have to sit out for three Oh it's like real.
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  Speaker 1: So they won, it's like drawn.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so they won the last two years and I
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  Speaker 7: was like, this is my year.
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  Speaker 3: I got to get in while they're out.
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  Speaker 1: God, no, kid, we're gonna talk about that whole We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk about that whole world. Max Bart is here
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  Speaker 1: just because he likes to hunt ducks lot, and you've
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  Speaker 1: bought many a ducks.
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  Speaker 5: Down many, but I haven't bought mine this year, so
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  Speaker 5: this is a good reminder.
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  Speaker 1: I keep buying more than I need on an accident,
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  Speaker 1: because every year I forget that my kids don't need them,
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  Speaker 1: but I buy them for my little kids and then
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  Speaker 1: I later realized they didn't need them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I typically buy at least three a year, one for me,
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  Speaker 5: one for my dog, and then like maybe a couple
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  Speaker 5: spares just in case if someone doesn't have them.
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  Speaker 6: It's a good thing to buy an access Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because all the money goes to Wetlands Conservation.
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  Speaker 3: So giving back a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Brent Reeves is here fresh from the squirrel Cookoff, little
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  Speaker 1: as a tick. I was telling Brent my body the
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  Speaker 1: I have a trapper buddy who I was talking to
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  Speaker 1: him about binoculars yesterday, and he just mentioned casually in
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  Speaker 1: passing he just got back from seeing Brent Reeves at
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  Speaker 1: the squirrel cookoff, as though that's like a thing to
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  Speaker 1: go do. Oh man.
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  Speaker 8: Apparently a lot of people thought that there was thousands
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  Speaker 8: of people there. It was good. Yeah, it was forty
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  Speaker 8: teams every year. They limited to forty and then they
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  Speaker 8: come in with their recipe their squirrels. If they don't
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  Speaker 8: have squirrel was that supply for them there? It's all free.
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  Speaker 8: It's a good family deal. It was just it's it's
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  Speaker 8: just a great event.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of loser would go to a squirrel cookoff
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  Speaker 1: without squirrels?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I mean there's a team there from Alaska last year.
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  Speaker 1: It should have a bunch of pine squirrels.
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  Speaker 8: Well, gray squirrels and fox squirrels. That's what it's. That's
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  Speaker 8: what you're limited to cook it's resident there of Arkansas.
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  Speaker 8: And if you don't have them, the folks, the good folks.
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  Speaker 1: There natural state. I mean the hack right out of
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  Speaker 1: the gate like that. You know, I don't know, that's cool. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And you said, Phil, I'm glad they got those. I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad they got squirrels there. Yeah, they're share with everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Watch just Chuck Black. You know how you won the
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  Speaker 1: duck stamp contest, Well, people could win the Arizona raffle.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: You like that little transition they teach that painter school.
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  Speaker 3: Do they know.
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  Speaker 1: We've been talking a bunch about in Arizona, like way
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  Speaker 1: too talked about it, way too much about Arizona's boarded
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  Speaker 1: uh Commission, Wildlife Commission, their decision to eliminate governor's tag auctions.
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  Speaker 1: So their decisions, their decision to move away from allocating
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  Speaker 1: some number of big game tags to the highest bidder
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  Speaker 1: and instead moving those tags to raffle systems where everybody
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  Speaker 1: can have a chance to win rather than just the
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  Speaker 1: highest bidder. As we've explored to the point of nausea,
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  Speaker 1: there are trade offs. There are trade offfs because all
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  Speaker 1: of that money watch this transition, like the duck stamp,
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  Speaker 1: all of that auction money goes to support wildlife habitat.
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  Speaker 1: And so they're faced with making this decision to move
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  Speaker 1: into a more democratic system of allocation raffles. There's a
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  Speaker 1: there's probably a there's a likely scenario where there's a
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  Speaker 1: forfeiture of a lot of conservation money. But you can
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  Speaker 1: remedy that. You can help remedy that that discrepancy if
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  Speaker 1: you go right now and buy some raffle tickets for
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  Speaker 1: Arizona big game raffles. They got this a bunch of them.
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  Speaker 1: There's a Mountain Lion raffle, COO's dear elk mule deer,
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of raffles. I blue, not blue, invested, not blue.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. Listen, I didn't say that. Come out, Phil,
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  Speaker 1: Can you play it back or I say invested.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe if you didn't call me pissy at the tip of.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, September one, twenty twenty four to December fifteenth, twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four, so we are well into the raffle period.
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  Speaker 1: You can enter to win all kinds of gear packages,
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  Speaker 1: but you can also enter to win big game tags.
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  Speaker 1: I went on the other day and spent I bought
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  Speaker 1: ten mule Deer raffle tags. So I invested a hundred
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  Speaker 1: bucks into my mule deer hunt and hopefully they will
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  Speaker 1: do such good business on these raffles of just people
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  Speaker 1: thrown in ten bucks a pop here and there to
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  Speaker 1: help make up for what could wind up being a
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  Speaker 1: net conservation loss. Am I saying this too strongly? No
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  Speaker 1: a net conservation loss by moving away from Governor's tags.
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  Speaker 1: They had their logic to the decision. If you're curious
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  Speaker 1: about that logic, go back and listen to every other
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  Speaker 1: podcast we've made lately.
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  Speaker 4: Oh and you can you can purchase now until ending
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  Speaker 4: at nine pm Arizona time on December fifteenth.
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  Speaker 1: But now that I bought my ten, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: any whoever goes on there. Don't do the mule deer one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm hoping I'm the only one that did meal deer
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  Speaker 1: and I win that thing. Good luck, So you're not
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  Speaker 1: going to be the only one. No, I always I
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  Speaker 1: always buy into these raffles. You know, I haven't bought
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  Speaker 1: into Arizona, but I'm buying an Arizona. Whenever they have
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  Speaker 1: a Montana Raffler or Alaska raffle, I always buy in.
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  Speaker 4: And there are all kinds of other prizes, and then
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  Speaker 4: like the more you buy their discounts. I mean they've
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  Speaker 4: set it up in a great way.
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  Speaker 1: So yep, uh okay, we got a new folks, I'll
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  Speaker 1: check this out. We got a new collab ammal we've
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  Speaker 1: worked on with our buddies at sig Sour and we
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  Speaker 1: have a new bonded lead ammal which is out now
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  Speaker 1: and you can go check it out. I'm packing right
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  Speaker 1: now to go moose hunting. I'm not I'm not personally
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  Speaker 1: moose hunting this year, but uh, my buddies are moose hunting.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going with them. I'm just my job is to
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  Speaker 1: call and observe and this is what we're shooting on moose,
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  Speaker 1: and this is what I've been shooting on moose because
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  Speaker 1: it's loaded with a nozzler ACI Bond bullet, which you
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  Speaker 1: know they fly superbly well and are very very good
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  Speaker 1: on big game. So it is a lead ammal if
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  Speaker 1: you're hunting an area where you're not supposed to use lead,
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  Speaker 1: if you're in the Condor Recovery area or whatever areas
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  Speaker 1: of California, not for you. Stick to all copper in
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  Speaker 1: those places. But when you want a really high performance bullet,
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: check out the new Platinum Hunter line that we have
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  Speaker 1: out from SIG. It is phenomenal stuff. Anyone knows who's
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  Speaker 1: ever shot Acubonds knows. Just for performance, it's great. Again,
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  Speaker 1: not appropriate for your non toxic areas, but when you
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  Speaker 1: got a big hunt and you're really counting on it,
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  Speaker 1: check it out. Uh Okay, we're gonna go to Danielle. Now, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there she is, Danielle. What's up?
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  Speaker 2: Hi?
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  Speaker 1: Who've killed that lion?
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  Speaker 9: In the background, I'm in my son's nursery.
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  Speaker 5: I know.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, So I had a broadcast on Friday in my
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  Speaker 9: office and the the Wi Fi was terrible in the
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  Speaker 9: Wi Fi boxes right next to his nursery. So that's
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  Speaker 9: why I'm in here.
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  Speaker 1: But there's still a line in the background.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, it's right above his changing table. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When way he feels nice and safe when he's get change.
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  Speaker 9: Well, you know, Travis said, you can do whatever you
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  Speaker 9: want with the nursery as long as the cat stays
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  Speaker 9: in there, because it used to be his office.
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  Speaker 1: And so, yes, Danielle is in a nursery. Behind her
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  Speaker 1: is her changing table and perched over it as a
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  Speaker 1: stuffed mountain lion, like he's waiting for the baby to
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  Speaker 1: show up so he can nail it. Danielle's got brand new,
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  Speaker 1: brand new cookbook out, Wild in the Whole seasonal recipes
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  Speaker 1: for the just cook Danielle phenomenal cook. Tell us about
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  Speaker 1: the book, man. First off, wy could folks find it?
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  Speaker 9: October eighth is the pub date, so right around the corner.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know when this podcast is being released, but
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  Speaker 9: October eighth, it's coming out wherever books are sold.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: And so this is a project I've been working on,
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  Speaker 9: I want to say, for about three or four years.
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  Speaker 1: It's really beautiful. It's really beautiful.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you. Yes, I spent a long long time thinking
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  Speaker 9: about it. I had some A couple of publishers reached
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  Speaker 9: out to me a few years ago asking for me
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  Speaker 9: to do a cookbook, And so once I started to
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  Speaker 9: think about what I wanted to do and really like
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  Speaker 9: what's missing in the market of cookbooks, I kind of
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  Speaker 9: came to the realization that one, I wanted to do
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  Speaker 9: something that represented me and the way that I live
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  Speaker 9: and that lifestyle and type of cooking that I do.
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  Speaker 9: But two, all wild Game cookbooks are are just that,
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  Speaker 9: they're just all wild game, and so I really wanted
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  Speaker 9: to have something else besides just that, Like what else
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  Speaker 9: are you eating with the protein? Like what are the
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  Speaker 9: other foods on your plate? So that's kind of how
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  Speaker 9: the book got started. And it's organized through this season,
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  Speaker 9: so unlike other books which are normally like categorized on
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  Speaker 9: big game, small game, or or however, this is organized
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  Speaker 9: through this seasons, which I think is pretty exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you, I don't. You're the main if I go
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  Speaker 1: to get a recipe somewhere, You're the main place I
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: would go to get a recipe.
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  Speaker 3: You're nice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're mostly the only person who's like actual recipes
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  Speaker 1: I follow. Really, I make a lot of stuff without
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  Speaker 1: really paying attention to what I'm making, But yeah, I
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: wind up having a lot of your food, and then
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  Speaker 1: I like specifically make your recipes. I like your recipes
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  Speaker 1: that much.
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  Speaker 9: Well, that is that's a big compliment. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 9: I think, you know, I think what I try to
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  Speaker 9: do with recipes is just like, well, there's a lot
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  Speaker 9: of things that I think about when I think about
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  Speaker 9: recipe development in general, but for people who are cooking
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  Speaker 9: at home, it's kind of like making sure that the
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  Speaker 9: recipe is something that's achievable, attainable, but he's practical in
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  Speaker 9: a way that you would actually cook at home. I
• 15:38
  Speaker 9: think a lot of recipes like really kind of want
• 15:40
  Speaker 9: you to like grab a bunch of stuff and like
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  Speaker 9: get your whole kitchen dirty, and so I try to
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  Speaker 9: be really conscious of like the way that you're actually
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  Speaker 9: cooking at home, and like, especially now that I have
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  Speaker 9: a baby, I'm like, how can I do this with
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  Speaker 9: less dishes? I haven't always thought that way, but I
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  Speaker 9: think that way now for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about the cover because it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: a bold These are pheasants on the cover.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I actually have the book.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm holding it. It's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: bold cover because on the cover are some pheasants, which
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  Speaker 1: are beautiful, but you opted to have the feet stuck
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  Speaker 1: on there still, ye did anybody did anybody in cookbook
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  Speaker 1: try to warn you off that, like it was like
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  Speaker 1: too too much?
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  Speaker 9: No, so they were very adamant that, you know, the
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  Speaker 9: cover of the book has to be something that says
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  Speaker 9: wild food and.
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  Speaker 1: A bird's foot.
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  Speaker 9: Well, you know, I actually posted a video of duck
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  Speaker 9: cooking dove on social media, and it's really kind of
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  Speaker 9: funny because people get real offended by looking at bird feet.
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  Speaker 1: It looked like a lame ass book otherwise, but it's
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  Speaker 1: like too beautifully pheasant, not lame. But it wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: like I wouldn't look, and I would look and i'd
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  Speaker 1: see like I don't know, I'd be like, oh, chickens
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  Speaker 1: or something. I don't have the hell i'd think, but
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  Speaker 1: your look.
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  Speaker 9: That's part of the reason why I kept it on,
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  Speaker 9: is like you can see the it's a rooster, you know,
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  Speaker 9: it's not a farm raised pheasant. But anyway, so yeah,
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  Speaker 9: it's got.
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  Speaker 1: Big old spurs. No, it's not aggressive, and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: mean to be lame. It's a beautiful book people picture,
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  Speaker 1: but like it's kind of just comes right out and
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  Speaker 1: says something to you know, with those trust pheasants with
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  Speaker 1: their their feet on there, it's it's it's.
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  Speaker 9: Very it's yeah, there was a there was a topic
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  Speaker 9: of debate, and I'm very surprised that Penguin Random House
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  Speaker 9: they were all on board with it. I thought they
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  Speaker 9: were going to kind of have an issue with it
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  Speaker 9: of like, oh, no, this is really going to scare
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  Speaker 9: people off. But I think it also because of the
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  Speaker 9: way that it's styled. It looks more elegant, and I
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  Speaker 9: think it's you know, it's really common, especially in Europe,
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  Speaker 9: like people aren't afraid of seen feet on a bird.
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  Speaker 9: I think it's just an American thing that people get
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  Speaker 9: freaked out because, you know, people don't want to be
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  Speaker 9: reminded that this was once an animal. They want to like,
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  Speaker 9: they want to have the departure between the living thing
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  Speaker 9: and then the thing that you're eating. So keeping that
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  Speaker 9: feet the feet attached really just gets under people's skin.
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  Speaker 9: And I think that might be one of the reasons
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  Speaker 9: why I kept the feet on for this photo is
• 18:25
  Speaker 9: because that's kind of a big part of what this
• 18:28
  Speaker 9: book is about, is you know, understanding and knowing where
• 18:31
  Speaker 9: your food comes from.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Uh, you said it was seasonally. It's like organized seasonally.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: But how many recipes are in here altogether?
• 18:39
  Speaker 9: Oh, I don't know. I don't know. It's kind of well,
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: you know, I started this, I had to cut a
• 18:49
  Speaker 9: lot of stuff, so I don't remember how many actually
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: made it. Over eighty I know that's that's like the
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: ad Hier eighty And I guess it depends on what
• 18:57
  Speaker 9: you consider recipe when you start getting into the back
• 19:00
  Speaker 9: of it, where you've got like, you know, spice rubs
• 19:04
  Speaker 9: and all those other kind of add on things in
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: the back.
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: I love the the like I'm just looking at one here,
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: like turkey with morels and asparagus. That's all the things
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: we would have at that time. And to have a
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: recipe that you can you just have these because you've
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: been out in the woods and you have your turkey
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: and you found some morels and you got asparagus in
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: your yard. Like here's your meal.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 19:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, you know.
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: I think that was important to me because I think
• 19:33
  Speaker 9: anybody who spends a lot of time in the outdoors
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: can relate to the ebbs and flows of each season.
• 19:39
  Speaker 9: And I wanted people to pick up a season and
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: get really excited about what you can find outdoors, because
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: a lot of times you kind of just pick a
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: recipe from from like whatever whatever you want to eat
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: at any time of the year. But as somebody who
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: cooks a lot, I know that tomatoes are really only
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: good in the summer, and so I think I think
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: that wasn't A really important part is to sort of
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: embrace this idea of living in the moment, because every
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: season offers something really special and it's something to get
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: excited about. So I try to do a lot of
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: storytelling in this book, and each season, you know, like
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: there's just always something to just really love, whether it's
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: the waterfowl migration in the in the winter or yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: like turkeys and morals in the spring, there's always something.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, man, it's gorgeous.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: When I yeah, it's very beautiful. It's it's a really
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: elegant and nice, really nice thanks, thank you. So everybody
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: check that out. Me Eaters, Wild and Whole Seasonal Recipes
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: for the Conscious Cook. Danielle Prue. This is your first book, Danielle.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: It is, Yeah, so this is all the like, this
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: is all the recipes that really have a lifetime of
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: creation into him.
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, there's a handful of them that are like the
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: tried and true recipes that I cook all the time
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: that I was excited to put in there, and then
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: of course there's tons of new things. But yeah, the
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: first book, it's definitely kind of like my baby, sure.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Man, because it winds up being all your like mega favorites,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: going to going to a first project.
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: Mm hmm.
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, It's it's odd. Whenever I was working on the book,
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: I had so much time that it almost worked against
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: me because I've reworked things too many times. And then
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: once I completed the manuscript, it was like the brain
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: pathway opened to creative output and it was just like
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: it just kept on rolling. And there's like so many
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: things now that I wish were in the book that aren't.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: But number two, number.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Two, Yeah, Hey, congratulations on the new baby too, thank you.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's.
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: Nine weeks old, so.
• 22:00
  Speaker 11: Very much sleep.
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: So I'm not sure if the words coming out of
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: my mouth are really making sense, very perfect sense.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know, when we when we would when
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: we were having our little kids, like I think at
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: around nine months of age, this this grows people out.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: But at nine months age we'd start like we chew
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: up deer meat and you just stick in their mouth
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: that grows.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: It's like birds.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: We would do that, man, Isn't that weird?
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: You know, maybe it'll become a new trends to It's.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we start giving them pre to deer meat, dude,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: they'd love it.
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: Just can't you just give it to them and let
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: them chew on it too?
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Though.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: When they're real little, yeah, around nine months, I feel
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: we start giving them deer meat and that would initially
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: just kind of give it a little quick gnaw and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: then hand it to them just a little. These are
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: kids are like mega healthy. Man. I don't know there's
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: a hot tip for you.
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: I'll try that report.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, seven months to think about it. Yeah, all right,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: thanks for joining, Danielle. Appreciate you coming on. Congratulations on
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the book. Everybody check out. Yeah, this beautiful new cookbook
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: by Danielle Pruitt.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, Thank you, thanks saniel.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna have a before we dig in
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: with with our esteemed guest Chuck Black. We're gonna have
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a quick check in with the with the junior Duck
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Stamp winner who's joining us in South Korea. What are
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you doing in South Korea?
• 23:37
  Speaker 12: Oh, I'm studying abroad right now because in the US
• 23:42
  Speaker 12: I go to the University of North Carolina, but for
• 23:46
  Speaker 12: our first semester in college, they sent us to Korea
• 23:49
  Speaker 12: University to study.
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: So we've been having a lot of fun.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Here, got it. So you when you did the So
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you were in high school when you did the duck stamp. Yes,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and you I'm trying to understand this right. You were
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: in an art class where the teacher is so dedicated
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: to the duck stamp contest that half of the junior
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: duck stamp winners come out of this one art class.
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: Yes, that's true.
• 24:23
  Speaker 12: Whenever we have our ceremony for Oregon, it's just like
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: half of the entire list is.
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: Just from our class. She's very passionate.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Wow, we need to get that teacher.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Out of there. So how many years did you submit?
• 24:39
  Speaker 11: Probably also like ten years. I've been doing this since
• 24:42
  Speaker 11: I was like seven.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Incredible, You've been painting ducks since you were seven.
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: I mean I probably.
• 24:50
  Speaker 12: Wasn't that good at it when I was seven, but yeah,
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: I've been going at it for like every single year.
• 24:56
  Speaker 11: It's like a tradition. At this point.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Huh do you think you're gonna keep going for uh
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: as an adult? Once you got to enter the general competition.
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: I think maybe when I have time in college, I'll
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: do it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 12: But I also I have heard that the adult contest
• 25:14
  Speaker 12: is much harder than the Yeah, I can.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: See that, maybe I can see true.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: How old do you have to be to keep doing
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: the Junior duck stamp?
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: What's seventeen? I think is the So it's like K
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: through twelve?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha? So tell us about the stamp there the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: painting you did this year for the Junior Duck stamp winner.
• 25:36
  Speaker 12: This year I painted a king ider and I've never
• 25:40
  Speaker 12: actually like seen a king ider in real life, unfortunately,
• 25:44
  Speaker 12: But I just thought the colors were like super beautiful.
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: And it is my last year doing the Junior Duck stamp.
• 25:51
  Speaker 12: So I wanted to do something really like bold, like confidence,
• 25:56
  Speaker 12: like something special.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: No, it's beautiful and it's a nice it's a really
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: nice perspective devonnet And.
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: I got to say, they make so the winner is
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: a judge at the Junior so they flew me out
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: to be a judge. And it doesn't it does not
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: do it justice like I thought, Emily's you.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Saw this, Yeah he judged so well. I thought you
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: were to judge next year.
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: Then no, so one in September, and then the junior
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: is in April.
• 26:20
  Speaker 13: Oh okay, so yeah, yeah, I think I.
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: Had her tied with another one that I liked, and
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: then I.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Guess the rest of the judges pushed it over.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: So really, yeah.
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: But it doesn't I want to say, it doesn't do
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: it justice. I thought, like the colors really showed up
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: in person.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Uh you know, Emily, I forgot to say you're I
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: forgot to introduce you. Is is it lean? How do
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: you pronounce your last name?
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: I believe it's Leanne?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, LeAnn. Okay, where did you go to high school?
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: I went to high school in Oregon at Sunset High School.
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: I was kind of like in the Portland area.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, that was our big marching band competition school.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like that was your rival in marching band.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: It was yeah actually oh yeah yeah.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: I grew up in Vancouver, Washington, across the river, so yeah, yeah,
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: throw it out.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, so when you win, when you win the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: junior Duck stamp, is it just honor? Is there?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Do you win something.
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: I think there was like like a cash prize, but
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: I think a lot of the experience was like being
• 27:34
  Speaker 12: able to like go out to the ceremony and like
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: meeting all the people. It was so cool and like
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: meeting all the collectors is really special.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: How much cash are you talking about? I could find
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: it online, so it's not I'm not prime. A thousand
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: you got a thousand bucks? What'd you do with it?
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: I probably spent it all on like food here already.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: So you used to feed yourself. That's great, that's good.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Use your money. So since you won, since you won
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the junior duck stamp competition, you finished high school in Portland,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and then you enrolled in college, and you're in college
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: now and you're going to college.
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: Where to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, tar heels yep, yep. And then for your first
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: semester they then send you overseas to South Korea to study. Yeah,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: that's right, all right, man, Do you have it? Do
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: you have it in your mind that you now autit?
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: You need to go see a king ider.
• 28:39
  Speaker 11: I think I might have to, like me meet the
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: duck that.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you honestly have to.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I think you should. And then uh, I also understand
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: that this this struck me I picked. I always pictured
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that everyone that paints ducks, especially for duck stamps, likes
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to hunt ducks. You've never hunted ducks.
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: I've never hunted ducks in my life.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Do you have any desire to hunt ducks?
• 29:07
  Speaker 11: I think, hmm, I might.
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: I might have to try it out one day, actually,
• 29:12
  Speaker 12: but I've never really had the opportunity to.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: When you get back in the US, you can come
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: if you want to come hunt ducks with us. You
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: can come hunt ducks with us.
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: Oh really, this is an invitation.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: It is like December early January will be the time
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you want to do it. I'm not joking. If you
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: come up, we'll take you duck hunting.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: She told me your favorite thing to eat is duck.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: You like.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: You like eating duck, but you don't hunt ducks.
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: I had it last week.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: There's a great way to get ducks. You want to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: buy a cookbook.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: It's called duck hunting.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: If you know, I'm serious. If you want to come out,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: if you want to come out sometime in December early January,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: just talk to Krin. We'll take you duck hunting. We'll
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: show what a duck looks like. We'll be like, that's
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: an actual duck king. We'll show you. We'll show you
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: what a mallard looks like. Way, thanks for joining us.
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: Emily, Thank you so much.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: What time is it where you're at It's one am.
• 30:14
  Speaker 11: It's it's almost two am now.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, thanks for taking the time.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck in the future. I hope you keep painting. Congratulations. Yeah, congratulations, gratulations.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: That's super cool.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Thanks Emily.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Bye, right, Chuck, you ready to dig in?
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Okay? Can I ask you a question first about duck stamps.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Wasn't it a thing like wasn't there some little uh
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: like controversy recently where you're not allowed to have a
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: person in Were they trying to make it a rule
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: that you had to start having a hunter in the
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: duck stamp? Is this? Do you know what I'm talking about?
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: It was a hunting element.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Which did that happen or not happen?
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: It happened, and I want to say it was two
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: or three years that that was a requirement to put
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: into your design, which I'm not opposed, but I think
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: a lot of the artists, and I definitely felt similar
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: were frustrated because it's hard enough to paint the duck
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: and then when you have to try and compose it
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: to make it all work with like a labrador in
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: the background or floating.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Right and you know, and that's you know, and then
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: that's what won.
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: But then I think there's controversy in that because that's
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: not what we're supposed to do with Sportsman.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: But it was painted. The painting was taken right before
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: he picked it up.
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I think the number of entries dropped a
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: little bit.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: That I didn't enter.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: I entered once I tried that, and I didn't do
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: it the following year, because I mean, it's it adds
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: more time. It's hard when you're just complicating the design,
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: and so I think a lot of artists advocated like,
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: just let us do what we want and if we
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: want to do a hunting element and yeah, So.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: How many submissions do they get every year for the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: duck stamp?
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: Around two hundred And that's down a lot from the nineties,
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: where I think the height of it was like twenty
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: two hundred. Wow, But that was like that was like
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: when the Fargo movie came out like that was like
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: that era.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: So you want to talk about fargo. Third, I was
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: trying to avoid fargo, but you want to talk about fargo.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean I think over the years and
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: I agree. I mean, it's frustrating as an artist when
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: there's so many top artists that enter it, and if
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: you're a beginner or somebody that's not as advanced, I mean,
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: it's frustrating to spend so much time on something and
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: then it gets thrown out within the first round, you know.
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: So the entries have just kind of been slowly declining
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: and it's been focusing more on the top artists.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: How do you submit?
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: You just mail it in with an entry feed check
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty five bucks and then they have
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: a public contest every year in September, so that's coming
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: up not this weekend, but the next.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: So that's it, yep. And then explain how the process
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: of selecting a winner goes. So and when you submit it,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: how big you submit the original?
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: That's the original size? So it's a seven by ten
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: inch painting?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Is that is that like the rule?
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: It's a lot smaller than I would have thought.
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: And I think logistically I mean they deal with two
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: hundred entries. It's a it's a traveling judging every year.
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: So I mean they I think there's only two people
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: that run the Duck Stamp program. So shout out to uh, oh,
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: my gosh. Now I'm like blank, and now I'm in
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: the cameras that shout out to Suzanne and.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: My gosh, I must look it.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: Up for it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: I'm well, I should not forget this, and they're gonna
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: hate me for Jen.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Suzanne and Jen.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Well, it's fine because you're in the hot seat right now.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I know you just got off the phone with your
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: future competition.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: Sorry Suzanne and Jen. But there's them to run it,
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: and so you know, two people run this whole thing
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: and they have to handle all of these entries, and.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: But they run it for the US Fish Wildlife Service.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're employees. Yeah.
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: And then they pick five different judges every year, and
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: they don't review who those are until I don't know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: maybe a day or two before.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Are they usually are? Those judges usually went past winners.
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: No, So they're either like it could be somebody in
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: an art profession, an ornithologist, somebody that works at du
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: somebody that maybe is a like a former refuge manager.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: So it's always kind of like a you never know
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: who it's going to be, but they're either bird experts, biology,
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: art experts, things like that. And they choose five judges,
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: and then they have the first round, which is enter out.
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: So they go through all the entries.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: So all they take all those two hundred paintings and
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: lay them up in front of the judges.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: They walk one by one and then they either say
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: yes or yep, wow, yep, and.
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: Then they have a set number or is it just
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: like that is the initial If there's one hundred people
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: that they like, the one hundred are and if there's
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: five they like five.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Or in yeah, So that that's the first round.
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: Is so each judge, which is you know, they're isolated
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: from each other, they hold up an I ron oh,
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: and if you've got three out of five ends, then
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: you're into the second round.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: And then the second.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Round I'm sorry, I just want to make sure I'm understanding. Yes,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: they're not able to they're not communicating no, so they're
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: not influenced by right, understood, right, And so they they
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: isolate the five judges and then each five judges is
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: shown two hundred, and they allow they're allowed any number
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: of in and out. Yeah.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you just never really know.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: It's not just the individual opinion of each judge. And
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: so when you make it to the second round, then
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: they score one through five score cards.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: And if how many people make it to that round.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: It varies.
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: I want to say, usually no more than fifty probably,
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: so they yeah, they narrow it down quite a bit.
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: And then I think you need to score a six
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: fifty teen or sixteen or higher in the second round,
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: and then that gets you into the final round. And
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: then in the final round they can score three, four
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: or five, and then top score wins. If they have
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: a tiebreaker, they do a tiebreaker, and then that's how
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: they narrow it down.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: To the top three. Then what happens, that's it and
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: they announce the winner.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Well you just said top three, Well yeah.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: They I mean they always they always uh separate a
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: one to two and three, I see, and they play
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: second place there.
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and then there's like many people that might be
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: tied for fourth and fifth, sixth.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they want that comes out with the gold medal.
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they want like a three distinct top entries.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: What are the parameters what are yeah, what are the parameters.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Of a duck stamp?
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: Like?
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: What is what? What?
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a pun what flies and what doesn't fly?
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: Well, you can't have writing, so it has to be
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: and you have to have a duck that's alive.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: I think it doesn't have to be a duck.
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: They picked five species each year and they rotate that
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: so you know what's coming like three years out of
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: three years ahead of time they announced like what each
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: year will be, and so you get five choices and
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: they try to rotate through all the birds. And I
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: think the last one, which I think is eligible this
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: year that's never made on a duck stamp is the
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: cackling goose.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so it's any migratory what waterfalller birds?
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Well, but they narrow it, Sarah, keep going.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: They narrow that when you do it. So for the
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty four duck stamp, they said, here's
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the five birds you can paint.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, and what were they?
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: No, forget it was the I want to say it
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: was the black duck, the pintail.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Bluebell.
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: I'm forgetting now. But I knew, you know, I knew
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: that I had to do the pintail when it When
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: I saw that that was coming up a couple of
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: years in advance, I was like, that's my year to enter.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: So oh, because you're like a pintail guy.
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: Well, we had acquired the reference in that video you
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: had seen, and so like I knew I had something
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: good that I.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Could compose from.
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: And so I was like, when that bird is eligible
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: again twenty twenty three, I'm going to enter because I've
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: been missing a couple of years because it got to
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: the point where you spend so much time on this.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: You're trying to make it as an artist, and so
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: you're trying to balance like, well, what is really effective
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: with your time? And to spend so much time on
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: a duct painting and then have it get thrown out,
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: which is normally what happens when I enter, you know.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: It's difficult.
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: So I was being very picky about when I would enter,
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: and so like, when I had the reference that I
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: wanted for a pintail, it's okay, twenty twenty three, I'm
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: going to enter again.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Now that you do, you get to is your original
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: still your original? Yep?
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: See, as the artist, there's no cash prize, but you
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: get to market your own collector prints and then you
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: keep the original.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Well why don't you auction the original off?
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Well, it is for sale. I just haven't gotten the
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: price that I wanted yet.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, everything's for sale for the right price, right.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: No, I don't want to I don't want to pry.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: But have passed dark stamp people had good Have they
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: had good success selling the original? I would think it'd
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: be a hot commodity, dude.
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: So the Bruce Museum in Greenwich, Connecticut, and that's where
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: this year's contest is. They have I want to say,
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: close to seventy originals. So prior to that they had,
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: prior to their collection, you know, it had gone to
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: whoever private collectors and then one man, Richie Praeger, he's
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: been acquiring then the last I want to say, ten
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: years maybe or so, and then he donated all of
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: them to the museum. So the museum has this mass
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: collection of original paintings, and I think they've got most
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: of them from nineteen sixty or so and on.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: But there's one there's an individual who's hot on it.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: There's an individual that buys a lot.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he started the idea, do you auction it.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Through Southby's or how does it work? No, that's the
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: real estate outfit who does all those paintings and stuff
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: there always on the news.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Christie's.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah maybe that often else, Yeah.
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: Like the famous art Christie's or there's another one Christie's
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: and Sotheby's.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: You'd be a really good episode we should do someday
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: what we should get an auctioneer on mm hmm, and
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: then we should ask that auctioneer, why do you sell?
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Like for livestock, talking real fast, but when they sell art,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: they don't talk fast.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: No they do. They don't I have any art auction
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: I've ever been to their talk really fast? Really yeah maybe,
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: I mean I don't know. I don't know about the
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: Christie's or whatever.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: But yeah, those are like you drink wine and champagne
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: and probably talk really.
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: Maybe the bigger the price, the slower they try to compute.
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: That.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Phil, I know you're in a bad mood. Yeah, let
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: me hear it because I asked you like a very
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: simple question earlier. Yeah, what's up, Steve? Would we ever
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: be able to do we have the technological capability to
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: you know, we do the auction house of oddities. Could
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: we have an auctioneer come in the studio and do
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a live auction house of oddities with one of the
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: fast talking auctioneers.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: We could totally do that. We could, Yes, we should
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: totally do a live stream prime time.
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: Get people pumped with with.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, it doesn't get me pumped because I'm always trying
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to figure out why they're doing that, Why.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: We can look into the history, Clay says.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Clay says, it just it just it builds exciting. But
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I always think you could just as well be standing
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: there and go ten no.
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: Because it's like people will yell yeah, they need to.
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: They need to like get you, make you feel like
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: the moments about the slip out of your hands.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: They have the callers that are like, whenever somebody who
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: raised their hands.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: When we do this podcast episode we'll cover we'll briefly
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: interview the auctioneer, ask these questions and then have a
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: live auction house of oddities.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: So, so are we going to get like one hundred
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: people on on a phone call and they're all gonna
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: raise their virtual hand? Is that what you're saying?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Or that's why I'm asking about the technology on it?
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Can we figure figure something out?
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's how they do a lot of the like
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: art auctions, there will be a live audience, but then
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: they'll also take online bid so you call in, you
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: actually call in or I guess some of them they
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: have like a like an eBay style like bid so
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: you could totally do it.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of fun.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Man, No, Chuck, I don't want to cry. But are
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: you I'm gonna leave this subject after this. So you
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: have it? Is it up right now? Could people go
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: on there and like bid on it? Or are you
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: just trying to do like a private sale?
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: No, I mean it's I just have it. You have
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: and it is for sale.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: You're not in a huge rush. No okay, No, you
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: didn't submit it to an auction house. No, no, no, no, no.
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: So it's if somebody wants to buy it, contact me.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: No, that's kind of.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I got a I got a style question for you. No,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: pintails have a big long tail, hence the name pintail.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Did you what was your idea to have it be
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: that the pin that the tail collides with the edge
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: of the painting, and that the bird doesn't have room. Well, yeah,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: why didn't you nudge him forward inch?
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: Because now I was worried about the spacing between the
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: bill and the edge of the painting, and so I'm
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: trying to like gauge, you know. And I looked at
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: past pintail winners and some of them are just playing
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: cut the tail off.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: So I was trying to figure out how to fit
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: barely the full.
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: Tail and you know, the whole bird within the painting
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: without I guess, making it, you know, compositionally weak. So
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: I was I just did my best to angle it.
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: I wanted a little bit of space between the bill
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: and the edge of the painting, and then so I
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: just squeezed it in the.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Want to because because you want to have like, you
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to have the bird really fill the frame, right,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: so it's seven by ten, and you wanted a lot
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: of bird, and then you got this kind of bird
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: with a weird.
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's hard, and you know, and from the
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: side they have one of the longest side profiles, and
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: it's like it doesn't really fit.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: So you had to really shrink the bird down to
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: include the big long tail coming out the back, right. Yeah.
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: And I mean now you're getting into all the nuances
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: of like the artist's decisions. I have to make to
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: try and.
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: I have so many questions about it.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Get a judge to you know, try to win over
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: a judge.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Well, good thing you didn't do it flying, otherwise you
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: would take up the whole thing.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean?
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: And how tough? How tough was it to mail the
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: did you hand deliver? You mailed the original.
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: Out, wrap it up like a you know, bomb proof
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: and send it overnight?
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: How tough that?
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: I'm used to it now. That's I mail all my
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: artwork pretty much. So we've got to I have a
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: system down to package for shipping, mailing the kid somewhere.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It is stressful, very stressful.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, imagine. Yeah. I got in a big fight
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: with Clay, our body Clay one time because we were
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: looking at a painting and we were arguing about whether
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: it was the morning or night mm hmm, so much
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: so that we eventually had to go to the artist
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and he said it was night, which he like kind
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: of messed up because it was actually the morning.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: You wouldn't, you, guys, wouldn't.
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: The artist told you it was the night and you
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: said he was wrong?
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: You were?
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: Like I think about that a lot too, Like if
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: I have the sun coming from one angle and if
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: there's a storm in the sky, I I mean most
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: of the time it's coming from west to east. And
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: so if you have the light coming from the right
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: or whatever, and that would indicate like evening. But if
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: you're the light coming from the other way, it should
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: be you should be facing south.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: And yeah, well these guys look to me like they're
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: riding out in the morning. Yeah, Clay felt look like
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: they're riding back home at night. And I was like, yeah,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: because if you're coming in at night, you know it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Just they didn't look like that. They looked like they
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: were just getting going.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So is this this morning or evening morning?
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say that's where I had.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is morning. Don't even try some bullshit.
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: So that the background of that is the Centennial Valley.
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: That's the Red Rocks Refuge. But they only had a
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: die cut for one way, so they had to flip
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: the background on the carrier, so it's actually backwards.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: You explain that to me again.
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: So the carrier, which is what the dollar bill sheet
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: that the stamp comes on. The artists can design that, yes,
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: and so the background you got to design.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: This, yes, Yeah, So that was gonna be my question.
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: So you win, and then you have to did you
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: have to paint that after paint.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: A whole another damn dark?
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: It's optional, but I mean, I'm not going to pass
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: up with the opportunity.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: So it's if you flip it.
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: That's the background that overlooks the refuge down at Red Rocks.
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: And they only had a die cut where they could
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: put the stamp on the right side, and so being
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: that I put the bird, they had to flip it.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you know what, now I feel bad because
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: when I buy these, I always just peel that sticker
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: off and throw that out right. Yeah. I never knew
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I was thrown out. I've never even looked to see
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: that I was thrown out art.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'll sign it for you now, now you'll
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: hang on to it.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: You sign that right now for me? Yeah? Yeah.
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: And another element of the duck stamp. Tell me about
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: the remark on the back. So another part of the
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: competition is the sketch on the back, right, And that's
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: a different winner.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: And that's Kira who is popular on TikTok and she
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: started her duck stamp journey a few years back. And
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: so they pick like a you know, different artists every
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: year to do the they get highlight you know, like
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: maybe up and coming artists or whatever.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: So yeah, she did that.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Do you know any of the stats on on duck stamps,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: like how many? How many? You know? I know that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: they sell about a million?
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, a million and a half.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: And what are they charging this year? Twenty twenty five?
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: For it's been twenty five for I want to say,
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: almost ten years now, hasn't Oh was.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: It that long ago they raised it? Well, yeah, I
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: remember everybody had a fit when they raised it. Yeah,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: but then it woant being that adjustment for inflation, it
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: was still less expensive than when it was launched.
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: And they just surpassed a billion dollars raised in the
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: program's history.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and then and then like ninety percent of
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: that goes the wetlands, right.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I think ninety eight percent of every dollar.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's why you buy so many.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: Max got to give it back somehow, sure, man.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, can you sign the Yeah, don't sign the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: fronts and it looks like you're the one hunting.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can do with that.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about the life of an artist, man
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: like you don't just.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Do this, right, Yeah, I just paint.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: No, I mean you don't just know, you don't just
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: live to like paint your one ducky year.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: No, there's more to it, no, I mean.
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: It's as an artist for me, well, like what art
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: means to me is like storytelling. I think of it
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: like conservation storytelling. So without the story, there's not a
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: painting for me, like it, I have a hard time
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: getting excited about the painting work. Like to me, that's
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: the work part of it.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Just being outside.
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: And experiences while doing all the things we love, that's
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: what gets me fired up. And so now I've started
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: to journal and that helps me, you know, like articulate
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: the stories that I.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Want to convey.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: M h.
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: And I guess that's like how each piece is born.
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: And so I usually start with like an idea for
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: a story. Then I'll try to like hunt for the
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: reference that I need piece to like how am I
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: going to piece this together? And then that's how like
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: each painting starts to develop. So like I struggle with
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: custom work, and that's why I don't do that anymore
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: because it's I mean, it's it's.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: A labor, you know.
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: And the only way that I can push myself through
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: it is to really be excited about it, and so
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: it has to have like a lot of personal meaning
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: to me.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: So with custom work, it just doesn't hit you, like
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: you just don't know where it's coming from.
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: Sometimes, Yeah, I think there's like, from my perspective, there's
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: like two types of artists. There's the artist that really
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: gets excited about the art work itself and then all
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: the you know, the way paint manipulates with different types
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: of service surfaces and mediums and whether it's different drawing
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: materials and you know, and they just love that work
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: and so you ask them to do a custom painting,
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: They're like, you're gonna pay me to do what I
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: love so much.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: And then there's.
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: The artist that I feel like has a true passion
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: outside of the work of painting itself, and it's a
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: lot hard for them to do something that doesn't like
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: come from, you know, what's like natural to them or
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: what they experience or whatever.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: And so I feel like I'm more of the latter.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: That's an interesting distinction. Yeah, how do you decide on
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: what pose?
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: And did you at one point were you painting that
• 51:18
  Speaker 8: from the very beginning. Is there more than one?
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Do you do? You you wadded up.
• 51:24
  Speaker 8: And throw it in the trash and start over, or
• 51:26
  Speaker 8: how did you decide on that? What's the process of
• 51:28
  Speaker 8: doing that?
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: So it's changed a lot over time. I mean when
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: I started out, it was very simple and just like, oh,
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: I think this would be great, and then I paint it.
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: I don't feel like I understood composition as much early on.
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: This was the first stamp that I really took my
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: time studying what makes our eyes attracted to certain things visually?
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: And so I, you know, started studying like the Fibonacci
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: sequence and that golden ratio.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Well, tell me what that is, they will fill.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So Fibonaci.
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: He was a mathematician, I don't know, like fourteen hundreds
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: or sixteen. I mean this is way back when, and
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: they started to figure out that there was a sequence
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: of numbers like zero in one equal two, and then
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: two and one are three, and then three and two
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: are five and five and three are eight, and they
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: started to realize that this was their way of trying
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: to figure out math. And it was a I think
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: based off of like a Romans maybe Roman numerals or something,
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: and they started to figure out that nature exhibited this
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: very sequence of numbers, and so like, for instance, if
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: you look down a branch of a tree, you'll see
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: that each leaf follows as it you know, projects out
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: of the branch, it follows that spiral yep, And it's
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: the exact same pattern or like a galaxy in the sky,
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: the way it.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Swirls snail shells a nail s yep.
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: And so they started to figure out that this was
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: something that nature exhibited everywhere, and then artists caught onto that, like,
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: well we should start composing our paintings that way. And
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: that's when you think of like the old masters and
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: like why were that era there was an error where
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: artwork exploded and it was just you know, amazing compared
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: to what it was previously done. And they started to
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: incorporate this mathematical sequence into their paintings and like how
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: to position based on you know, this is the edges
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: of the painting. We want to put it a certain
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: distance across from one direction from the other, and that
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: you know, aligned with that sequence of numbers. And so
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: that's how they started to figure out, like, and that's
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: what we consider like compositional rules today.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: And like art academia and things.
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: So I started to study that and started to figure
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: out like how to position the head of the bird,
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: where to put it, different things like that.
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: And are you classically trained? Did you go to art school? No,
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: this is all research You've done.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Yourself, right, So, yeah, like that have you heard of
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: that before?
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's art. You know, a lot of composing a
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: painting is math. And the role of thirds for photography,
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: like it's all just anything visual does take a lot
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: of you know, compositional math. And I don't know if
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: they teach that, and I didn't go to arts.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I think it's pretty common knowledge.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: A lot of people know about this.
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: It's it's harder to implement than it is to understand it.
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: And I mean because then you're there's just so many
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: things when you're trying to paint a picture that come
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: up that make it difficult. But yeah, like I really
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: started to think about things like that, So, like back
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: to your question. This year, I had like a very
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: strict system of like Okay, I'm going to think about
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: the rule of thirds, I'm going to think about where
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: the horizon should be.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: I'm going to do a large duck to keep it
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: big so that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: I wasn't giving a judge a reason to vote it out,
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: because sometimes you make too many. You may make a
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: pair of birds and they become too small, and then
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: judges might think, well when you shrink it down, it
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: might not fit on a stamp. Well, so there's different
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: things like that. So I'm like, I'm gonna keep it
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: one bird, and I'm going to really study all these
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: what art professionals considered, like the rules of composition, and
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: I'm going to try my best to implement them all.
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: Which is funny that this was the year that I
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: won and it paid off. Not only that, but I
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: mean I've never came close, you know, So.
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: Really I have one more like nerdy art question and
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: then I'll questions, so the how close in your reference
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: material is the color theory? So like did you were
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: you going off of the time of day and color
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: or did you tweak the colors at all? Because I
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: just so I really love to color.
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: I kind of make up the background colors a lot.
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: That's just something that I really like to do. But
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: that was also you know, if I'm painting a detailed picture,
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: like the background of the carrier, I might try and
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: use photos to follow what's true to life, you know,
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: more accurately. But then on the stamp, I'm like, I'm
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: gonna make him look like he's in a portrait studio.
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: And so I just kind of like pulled some colors
• 56:12
  Speaker 7: out and it was like, I think this would compliment
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: you know, the the the reddish brown of the head,
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: make it somewhat blue, but you want to keep it warm,
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: so I use like purples and pinks, and I thought
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: that would like be a good contrast against like the
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: brown of the bird. So yeah, it was mostly made
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: up the background itself, and then the color.
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: You did a good job because the color really stands
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: out to me, Yeah, thank you, gorgeous.
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: It does, and it's not you know, iridescent green like
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: a Mallard's head or something. So it seems like it
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: would be a challenge in itself doing like a you know,
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: you got a white and then gray and then brown
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: with that pintae.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: Yep, personally, I think the pintail is one of the prettiest. Yeah,
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, just with that chocolate head too.
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: Right, well, and then so what's funny, you know, and
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: that's obviously that's like a lot of people's favorite bird.
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: But what when I started studying like these compositional rules,
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: that golden spiral that we talked about, it actually fits
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: perfectly on a pintail's head, the way that the white
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: swirls up into the head. And then I started wondering,
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: I'm like, maybe that, like, is that part of the
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: reason why so many people are attracted to this species
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: of bird. It's because it's just like it's like the
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: perfect example of nature at its finest. You know.
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: For me as a hunter, it was always like the
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: golden goose egg that like, yeah, like pintails take a
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: long time to fully plume out during the fall, and
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: it's like all these southern states in the Western States
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: get these pin full plumed pintails all the time. Growing
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: up in North Dakota, I was just shooting brown ducks
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: the whole time, and like it was like a prized item,
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: shooting one in December it being fully plumed out, and
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: we would only get like a couple maybe a couple
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: of year, right, So it's just like a cherry on top, Yeah,
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: like it was. I was the it's a rare, Yeah,
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: it's away so cool.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I think that you're maybe because it's like the duck stamp,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: but I feel like it's more it's more kind of
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: conservative than your normal paintings.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they make you tone it way down, uh,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: not make you right you, I mean you can't have
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: like you can't it can't be like loud and surprising.
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean you can take the chance, but that's Yeah,
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: it's like a lot of times when you try.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: That, that's the quickest way to get voted out.
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: So it's I don't know, but maybe some you just
• 58:34
  Speaker 7: never know who the people are going to be. And
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: that's these people that have been entering it since the eighties.
• 58:39
  Speaker 7: I'll just tell you it doesn't matter how good it is,
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: because you get one person that is like, well, I
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: hate pentails.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: My favorite duck is the spoon bail.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's because they could just they could throw you
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: out for this arbitrary.
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: I mean that, Yeah, they could give you a one
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: out of five just cut. I mean, so it's it's
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: up to the end.
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: That's kind of a reason why they don't tell you
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: who is the judges, right, so you don't paint towards
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: their Yeah, favorites.
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: I don't Yeah, how did you find out that you won.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: So they stream it live, so so everybody, yeah, everybody listening.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: And so my wife was actually gone on vacation, so
• 59:14
  Speaker 7: I was home alone and I'm just like sitting in
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: my bed vacation. You're like, no, yeah, and uh so
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: I'm just watching and and you know, I have made
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: it to the second round before. But then in the
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: second round, I tied for first with one person who
• 59:31
  Speaker 7: you know, you can kind of tell whose painting is
• 59:33
  Speaker 7: who once you really start following these artists, like you
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: can see their style in the painting, and so I
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: knew who the artist was, and I tied going into
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: the third round, and then they're like, all right, no,
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: we're going to break for lunch and we'll see you
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: in an hour. And I just like, I mean, i
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: was pacing, like my heart rates started going.
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: I'm just like I would have loved to be a
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: fly on the wall during this watching you.
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and then I want there was a two judge.
• 59:59
  Speaker 7: There's I think just one judge that changed their mind
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: in the final round and they switched his entry from
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 7: like a five to a four, and that's how I won.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: With that more guy changed their mind.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, because like you know that from the second
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: round score that they gave in the final round, they
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: decided to take a point away.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: So and then and that's when you knew that you won.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: Well, then that was probably there's twenty entries to judge
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: after that, so I had gotten the score and then
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: his was like basically right after and I was like, okay,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: I'm in first now, and then there was there was
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 7: still some entries that were one point off or something
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: like that in the second round. So then you have
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: to sit there and wait.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: And then it comes doun like you just watching online?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't go.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: There, you can.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: I couldn't make it work last year. I really wanted to.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: But yeah, so yeah, it was just a live feed
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: on YouTube.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then what.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 14: Was your celebration?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, were you like what that the panic attack?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Jumping?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Basically? Yeah, like yeah, did you break anything? I might have?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah? How many people were watching the live.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 7: Uh, there's always I want to say five or six hundred.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: Maybe maybe that's a little bit high. I don't know,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: but you call your wife. Yeah, well they all, I
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: mean everybody was watching wherever they were, so like yeah,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: then my phone starts just going crazy and I'm like,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: I gotta let's get the call from them first, and
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: then I'll talk to friends and family and.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, wow, that's so exciting.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah so they called you, yeah, yeah, and what do
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: they say? Congratulations?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they assume you already knew. Yeah.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Typically, like it's I think the most artists.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: Watch it now. That's kind of like a standard now.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 7: But yeah, it's pretty crazy, Like couldn't believe it at first.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: So how much does how much does life change for
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: someone that gets that level of recognition, Like it's got
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: to cause a lot of people to come, you know,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of people to start paying attention to your
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: wildlife art for a while, right.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: And I yes, And you know, the biggest thing is
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: just like the ability to network has been amazing and
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: like meeting people and Ducks Unlimited and all these organizations
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: and you know, creating new friends and connections and that's
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: been awesome. And they, you know, they kind of have
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: a tour for you. So you go to the Easton
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 7: Waterfall Festival in Maryland. Then I got an opportunity to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: go to the like the big National Delta event down
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: in Louisiana, and so just meeting people and networking that's
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: been huge. But I mean, honestly, you win in September
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: and then the first day of sale is not until
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: June twenty eighth, so it's basically just a big lull.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: And then even in I think it was like end
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: of July, I went all around town to any place
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: that I could post office Sportsman's nob nobody even had
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: them yet. So I mean, I think people are just
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: starting to purchase them now, and I am no. I mean,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: there is definitely a lot more people kind of finding
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: me online and flowing my way, So it's I think
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: it's probably at the beginning of that, just because it's
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 7: you know, hunting seasons still, I guess coming up for
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: a lot of people.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: So it's funny because it's a piece of artwork that
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: so many people will buy, and they'll buy it and
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh shit, I gotta run and get my
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: duck stamp, you know, sign their wallet, and yeah, probably
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: many will probably not look at it. Yeah well, you know,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: I mean they look at it like a license, you
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They're gonna look at they look
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: at it like a license.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: And an art And now this is the first year
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: that they have the East stamp. You've heard about this,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: so Congress passed I think in in May. So it's
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: an E stamp, but they want it, you know, and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: I think the the Duck Stamp Office probably advocated for
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: this too. They still wanted to have the physical as
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: part of that aspect. So you buy the E stamp
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: and then you get your physical in the mail in March,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: and that's so that you don't have an E stamp
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: on your phone. And then you get the physical and
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: you can give it away to your buddy or whatever.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: I see, so they send it.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: They will, Yeah, they will.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: But I didn't know that that became a thing. The
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Arkansas the states to him, Yeah, I know. I mean,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I don't mean what states aren't E stamps.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: And I got to say that like general consensus, especially
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: going to the Delta Expo. I mean, there's tens of
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: thousands of people there.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: It was very obvious that everybody wanted this.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: So many hunters are like, thank god, we finally can
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: just buy one on the phone now, and like there's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: such a pain to like sure, So definitely what the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: majority of hunters I think, if.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: You decide you're going duck hunting at nine o'clock at night.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: Right the next day and now nowhere to get I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: think that was the main reason.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna tell you. I'm going to tell
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: you a duck stamp story. Remember earlier Max were talking
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: about those rivers in Alaska, Okay, sitting at a launch
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: one time, coming back from duck hunting in Alaska, and
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: we're just loading the boat up and there's like a
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: guy hanging around being like, oh, gee shucks, I never
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: seen a duck right, And all of a sudden we're
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: like shooting the shipping ball. Sudden he pulls his badge.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: He's a trooper, an Alaska trooper. But it's his strategy
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: was just to act like a Gothen tourist, you know,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: thinking that you're gonna be like, you think that's cool.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Look at all this yeah, at all this crazy shit.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: I got it.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to have Anyways, that year almost got
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: in trouble, but wound up not getting trouble because that year,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: like their Duxies and the Duxies in their opens early
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: and the state stamp, something wound up happening. The state
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: stamp was not available, was not available like fishing game
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: and no one had the state stamp, and we looked
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: and looked and looked, and they're like, the state stamps.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Something happened. The state stamp's not available. So we went
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: duck hunting and he's like, where's your state stamp? Like,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: funny you ask it's not available. We were told it's
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: not available, so we didn't. When when I'm not getting
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: in trouble, he said, like, go get it when it's available.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: Interesting, Now, were.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: You sweating a little bit?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, sweating a lot?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I sweat a lot.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: I felt that there would have been a big memo
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: out to all the enforcement people saying that one it's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: that we opened the season yeah, with no availability of
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: the thing, like you couldn't get it. Oh, I sweating
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: and bad. That seemed like a bad thing to get
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: in trouble for. And then it caused me to question
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: like were you really supposed to stay home? Like it
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: felt weird that it's like the season but you can't
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: go because of So we just kind of felt like, well,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: when it's available, we'll buy it.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: Hm. That's a tough one.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: That's a duck stamp story. That's the only duck damp
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: story I got for you.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: I've got a couple of like not signing my stamp
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: and then getting checked and like usually they're pretty good
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: about like, oh, just sign it, right.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So what we're talking about is when you buy
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: a Duck stamp for you people out there that don't
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: buy Duck stamps because you don't hunt ducks. One, if
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: you hunt ducks, yeah.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: To buy the damn stamp, you should buy it anyway.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But the reason they signed it is they don't
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: want you to be able to just lend your body
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: your your stamp, So they wanted like signed across the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: face and that becomes your stamp. And you can't like
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: swap stamps because there's nothing on that has your you know,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't like it's not like made out to your name.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: There's no serial numbers signed to you. So you you
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: you graffiti the artwork, You defame the art work with
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: your own.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, keep one for the you.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Know, always I keep all of the mine.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 8: And I always thought about that because I'm gonna pass
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 8: them down to my son and my grandchildren, and I
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 8: thought about I should buy two, and then I thought
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 8: now that if it was me, I would want one
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 8: with my grandfather's signature, Yeah, So that's.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: I talked to a guy that had every stamp that
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: his grandpa he started hunting when the first year of
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: the stamp came out, or he didn't start, but he
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: had from nineteen thirty five or whatever. He had every
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 7: stamp and then he gave up hunting. He was telling
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 7: me the story at the expo, and then he convinced
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 7: his grandpa to go out one more time, and you know,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 7: he of course had saved them all, and so he
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 7: grandpa was like nineteen ninety two, He bought one more stamp,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: went out and then he got a picture of his
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: bag limit of teal or something with his grandpa with
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 7: a bird dog standing.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: On the hill.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: And then he's got it framed with him in the center,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 7: and then all the stamps all the way around people.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: Such the coolest thing.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, how avid of a duck hunter are you?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: When I was a kid, I was, but archery has
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 7: won me over year by year. So but I mean,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 7: I love to go. It's to me, it's like that's
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 7: quality time with friends. And that's why I love to go.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: If you know you get the chance, yep.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: So you're not you're not like a super dedicated waterfowl.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: Hunter, not so much.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: I mean anymore, I'm thinking about how to fill the
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 7: freezer the quickest way possible, and like, so that's I mean,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 7: that's always my first priority, which usually ends up taking
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: the entire fall.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cause you mean so you can have more time
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: to get back to your painting, right, yeah, And then
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: are you able to is that are you at a
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: point where you just are an artist and you're an artist,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: you don't do any kind of other work. Nope.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 7: I came here in twenty fifteen and just decided to
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 7: go for it, and it's been a rough road, but
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 7: I mean, thankfully the internet has kind of helped out
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: over the years, and that's kind of been like the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: avenue to.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: Your YouTube page is unbelievable. Oh, thank you with I
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: mean thousands and thousands of followers. Yeah, but not to
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: mention just hundreds of videos of just like the process
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: of the painting and you actually did a cool painting
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: behind the scenes of this stamp, right.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, like kind of like the background story yep, yep.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: And I mean I started the YouTube because I had
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 7: no money. I had like ran out first year I
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: was here. I saved up what to do before.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I was a I.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 7: Went to school for wildlife biology, so I was a
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 7: wildlife tech for majority of my twenties. In seven years,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: I saved up like fifty five hundred dollars doing that,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 7: which so they don't.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: Pay a lot.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: But I was like, all right, this is maybe like
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: a year's worth to live off, and I went for it.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: And then of course I just flat out ran out
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 7: of money, and then the YouTube was kind of like
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: out of desperation, like, well, maybe I needed to like
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: kind of do what Bob Ross did and maybe that
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: would help. And so I literally started the YouTube as
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: like maybe this could help me financially, and then that
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: you know, seeing response of other artists, and then other
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 7: people thought it was interesting and it just kind of
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 7: like progressed from there. And then that's been like a
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 7: definitely a stability of the you know, making it as
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: an artist.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: That's helped a lot.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: If you took that head off with your hair, just
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: go like.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm waiting, No, not quite.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 6: How would you describe your style and your work outside
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: of the duck stamp paintings?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: Like I said earlier, I think of it as conservation storytelling,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: So you're doing so, And I mean, like I never
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 7: I never dreamed of being an artist growing up. It
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 7: was always like I wanted to do wildlife conservation and
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: so like anything that kept me outside around wildlife, just helping,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: that was what I was passionate about.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: And still am.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 7: And then through that, obviously I was entering the duck
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: stamp and art was always an interest on the side,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: and it had started growing. I started noticing that people
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: took interest in it and they really started to engage
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 7: with like the stories I was trying to convey, you know,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: and I think back of like Terry Redlin was a
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: huge inspiration when I was a kid growing up in Minnesota,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: and so like I think I started out trying to
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: figure out how to tell stories like that, like how
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: did he how was he so good at telling stories?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 7: And how could I do that in my own way?
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: And once I started seeing people react to it and
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 7: engage with it, and I started thinking like, maybe this
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: is a way to to further what I'd like to
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: contribute to conservation by just getting people's attention, Like maybe
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: sometimes you don't have to have a greater purpose other
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: than just engaging people and starting a conversation. So I thought, well,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 7: maybe I could tell stories around things that I really
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 7: care about and that that would bring interest towards those subjects.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: And so that's where that's how I started.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: To think about my artwork.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: And then that you know a few years later, I
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: won the Colorado and the California Duck stamp, and then
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 7: that's when I was like, Okay, I got just give
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: this a try.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: Nice. Your pieces do have a really cool like narrative
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: element where that includes all the elements like the landscape,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: maybe even a little human element like a barn and
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: some of them, or like the obviously the wildlife. I
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: love that narrative aspect of your work.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, got some examples, Yeah, I can put on the screen.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: So that's a yeah, that's amazing that.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: That's a close up of one. And then the next one,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 7: which was the canue birds.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: Are in there just came max Is on it like
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: the skies opened up.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, so that's I'm not going to say
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: what this painting is for just yet, but so those
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: are kind of two close ups of the painting. But yeah,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: it's a guy throwing decoys.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: Out that looks like a Terry Redlin.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, I definitely was heavily inspired
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 7: as a kid, and now now I'm trying to figure
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 7: out like.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: How to how to find my own path.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 7: And yeah, because I think, you know, he cared a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 7: lot about family, for community values, religion. It was clear
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 7: and while you know, being in the outdoors and so
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 7: he obviously accomplished a lot with that.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: People still talk about it.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: And I mean he got his own museum now.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I want.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: To bad Yeah, very very cool. Yeah, yeah, I've heard.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a mostly half done painting of some
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: big Bolsheviks man.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think the next one shows the full
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: of what I'm working on.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: So that's on the easel currently.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: That's what you're working weigh on right now.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 13: And you do so you do like an underpainting, Yeah yeah,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 13: and so you know, like the underpainting is a lot
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 13: that's like the most common question is why orange and
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 13: why brown?
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: And like, well, if you were to paint let's say,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: like a window and you held it up to a light,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: you'd obviously see the light.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: Coming through it.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: So you're not just seeing the paint, You're seeing what's
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 7: bouncing off underneath. And the light that's coming back through it.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 7: So if it's a cold color or if it's white,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: it's going to change how you perceive the color.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: So what you're talking about is chuck something about then
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: how to describe it?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: The underpainting.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a painting that's half done. And then but
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: but instead of having like a white, instead of painting
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: on a white canvas, you go through and make it orange.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And it depends what you're trying to accomplish. I
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 7: really prefer like the warmth of that. But I mean
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 7: that's like a cool nighttime scene. Some artists will want
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 7: to do like a cooler color blue.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: So there's paint for the painting.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: You paint the canvas orange.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh that's where I've gotten wrong all these years.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: Start on white white?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: How old were you when you made your first painting?
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 7: My mom has a finger painting framed from when I
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 7: was like one and a half eighteen months or something.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: Like that, so she says, I started early, Okay, when
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: did you start?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: For real?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 7: It progressed. I don't know if I could. I started painting.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 7: I mean I progressed through drawing my whole childhood, and
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 7: then the colored pencils, and then I dove into painting
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 7: when I really got interested in the duck snap because
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 7: I kind of, oh, no, kid, you know, because you
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 7: know that it's like, well, nothing but color has ever
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 7: really won post nineteen fifty or something. So I knew
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: I had to figure out how to paint and how
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 7: to do color if I wanted to compete.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: So that I think it.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: Was twenty years old, twenty one, and I decided to
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: pick up paints.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: Is this oil or acurlic?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: It's oil soil?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Can you pick paying that picture over behind you? That's
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: a work of art.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: How many.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: Ways can you paint? Like Kelsey said, oil, acrylic, there's watercolor.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: Watercolor, gash.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 7: Those are kind of the main ones. Yeah, Like there's
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: not too many people, I don't think as artists.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Can you guys critique this? This is? This is a
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: paint a picture by Clay Nuke. It's a future man?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: Is that daytime or night time?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Mid day? It's a future man? Or the machine gun
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: like some kind of future space alien or the machine
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: gun he's getting charged by a wild hog.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: That sums up my childhood artwork style.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they're still hoping, so does if you
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: if you didn't know anything about this artist, would you
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: would you see a demonstration of raw talent or do
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: you just see juvenile you?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: You know, I think it's like a combination of an
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 7: unhealthy obsession and persistence.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: That ray bays in that picture.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 8: I'm giving that a oh that's out when I was looking.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: You know how little kids always have like what they draw.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: I would draw, uh, amphibious assaults, okay, And I would
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: draw large large planes, Indian encampments. Oh so I'd do
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: like a landscape, and then I would just fill it
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: with teepees, lots.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 6: Of around both men. You'll find one of those, and.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: A signature, like a signature of my amphibious insalts would
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: be I like to specialize in shattering glass. These amphibious
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: vehicles I did had a window that was susceptible to
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: an outward chatter for whatever reason, and that would denote
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: like a certain amount of peril and gunplay happening, any
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: amphibious assaults. But then I gave up on that, never
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: did any more art done. Yeah, I don't know what
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: was your thing when you were a kid.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: It was I mean, honestly, it was therapy for me
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: because I hated being in the classroom.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: I mean I grew up in a with parents that
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 7: had me outdoors from the very start. My parents were
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 7: competitive archer archers, and so they had a bow and
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: arrow in my hands since I was two.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: You were supposed to do that.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and then uh, you know, like going on canoe
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: trips to the Canadian wilderness Quetico since I was six,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: And I mean that's just what like I was infatuated with.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: And then when I got to like kindergarten elementary, I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: hated everything about it and I struggled in school. Like socially,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 7: I did not have a great time making friends, and
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 7: so to get through my days, I would just fill
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 7: my notebooks with sketches. And that's I feel like where
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: it started. And just like combat sketches or you doing
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: wildlife everything.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then it's like teacher caricatures.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 7: I started to focus more on wildlife when I got
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 7: to like middle school, high school, and I would start
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 7: to hand them out to my friends. So like all
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: the lockers of friends I had would have like my
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: drawings in there.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: And then I became known.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: As like the kid that did caricatures of the teachers
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 7: in the back, and yeah.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: At what age were you known among your bodies as
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: a like a good artist.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 7: I don't think until probably college that I really started
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: to progress with it, because I mean it was just
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 7: something I did just to get through my days prior
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 7: to that. And then I'll never forget the senior year
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 7: in high school. You know, you have like an art
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: class that you can take, and they had given the
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 7: students the opportunity to just do whatever you want to
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 7: do for your final project. And I did like some
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 7: duck hunters and a blind or something like that, and
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 7: the teacher was like, you could sell that. When I
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: was presenting it, and I remember all the kids were
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: like eyebrows high, like giving me a nod, and I'm like,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 7: really like hung. So I opened an eBay account that
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 7: next month, and so then we're out of school for
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: the summer and I put a grizzly bear drawing on
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 7: eBay and it sold for eighty bucks and that was
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: the first time I made money of my art.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: And it was actually, you're kidding me.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: It was actually my mom's boss that bought it. But
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: I mean that was it.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: That was like, I mean, game changer for me. Because
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: then I realized like maybe I could do something with this,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: and at the time it was like I'm gonna do
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: it on the side. That was my spending money in college.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: And I told my dad, I think first year after college,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 7: was like, can I just try this over the summer,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 7: And He's like, in the first month, if you can
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 7: make as much as I think you could make, like
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 7: doing landscaping you did the year prior, like, I'll let
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 7: you do it, you know, and you can live at
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: home or whatever. And so I did. I mean that's
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: when I started heavy on pet portraits and I got
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 7: enough pet portraits.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: How I made, you know, I made.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 7: Enough, and then that became kind of like the thing
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 7: I did on the side ever since.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: So, so you when you were little, like looking back
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: on it, you had an artist meant you were like
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: an artist without knowing you were an artist.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, Like I was always attracted to it, whether
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 7: I knew it or not. And it was never like
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 7: super intentional, but it was just it was a form
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: of expression. If I was a board, yeah, I just
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: had to do something with my hands.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Uh. Now do you selling galleries or mostly online?
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: If people want to go look at your paintings. I mean,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: you got an awesome website.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, think you.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 7: I mean it's all online right now. And that has
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: just been the result of you know, when I moved here,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: I thought, maybe this is a great place to get
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 7: involved in the art community. It seems like it's, you know,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: like a thriving art scene. And of course I had
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: my resume was I was a wildlife tech and I
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 7: love to paint, and that didn't fly with anybody, so
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: I could not break into the scene. But then that
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: pushed me to to really go on.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: You couldn't break into the art scene, yeah.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: Like galleries or anything like does it not going to
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: art school or what was the reason?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think, I think. I think they do
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: value of a resume a lot, for like in galleries,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 7: because I mean that's how they sell to people that
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 7: don't know who the artists are in a gallery. I mean,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 7: they use It's not just a meritocracy, no, I it's it's.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: Near impossible for a budding artist to just walk into
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 6: a gallery and get picked up. It happens, but they're
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: looking for people that have had success at a show
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: or like a lot of galleries will pick up an
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: artist that is has a career.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Rolling the gallery right right. I remember when I was
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: starting out writing. I remember there's a writer that said
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: to me, I don't remember what happened, like something I
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: did or not. He goes, well, now you have like
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: the stamp on your forehead.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what do you mean?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: He goes. You're like, you're now like, now everyone will
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: take you seriously when you go to sell your work.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: You need to prove yourself a little bit.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, but you can't. It doesn't matter what
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: you write. You have to get up and get the stamp. Yeah,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: and then you're fine.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: That's pretty much it.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: But the damp's got to be there or else no
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: one will even know. Your stuff could be great, but
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: no one will know it because they don't see the stamp.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah. This is literally a big ass stamp.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: Ye.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 7: But I mean that that led me to push online,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: you know, and that that that was twenty fifteen and
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: so Instagram.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: I was telling.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: Kelsey that was like the first year that it really
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 7: started taking off, and so I started getting traction on.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 7: Basically I'd post anywhere I could on social media. When
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: TikTok was musically, I saw some business guru online said
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: you need a musically that's the future, and so I
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 7: opened up a musically account, which was all just like
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 7: twelve and thirteen year old kids singing and dancing, no
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 7: idea what to do with it, and I like posted
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 7: a couple like revealed videos of like, hey, this is
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: my newest painting and put like some pop song onto it,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 7: and then it just took off, and then they changed
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: to TikTok, and then TikTok became like the biggest way
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: to gain new clients for me in like previous like
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 7: recent years.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: So when they keep talking about banning TikTok, you're sweating that.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, I've diversified enough where I you know, and
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: I know how to do it now.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: Like if it's not that, and it's the next thing.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Those Chinese spying on your dunt painting?
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: Does this name graceful anticipation?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: What's the anticipating Max Max taking Max jump shooting them?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: So the story, like Max said, the video I posted
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 7: of us going out and that back then, I was
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 7: just I love fiddling around with cameras and so I
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 7: was just gathering videos and of course I love to
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: video birds and stuff too. So when we had found
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: this drake on this small pothole walking out every morning.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 7: We set up on it on the last morning, and
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 7: it was very evident after sitting there that morning that
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 7: he would just be there right away at first light,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: and he would sit there and whistle shake the water
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: until the hen showed up. And then the hen would
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 7: show up, they'd go in the grass and do their thing,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: and then they'd be gone for the day and you'd
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: never see him again. So he's waiting for the hen
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: to arrive. On the stamp, the carrier design is the
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: moment that the hen is arriving. So the carrier painting
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 7: full circle. Yeah, so graceful anticipation. And then the carrier
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: paintings is titled the Arrival.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: Wow, that's creative.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: You know Kelsey has a gallery. Yeah, I know, studio gallery.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have yet to walk in.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Probably she might reject you, but maybe now ye stamp,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: maybe I am, but maybe I do have some space.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 7: It's I mean, it's a tough balance because now I've
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 7: established myself among many of of clients and collectors that
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 7: I know personally, and I get the prices that I want.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 7: But then most galleries, if you do get in and
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 7: they want fifty So then now how do you how
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 7: do you juggle that? I mean, do you double your prices?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 7: Because that doesn't seem you know, very moral and so yeah,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 7: so it's yeah.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Do you have competitive terms at your gallery actually a
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: broker relationships.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 6: I moved the gallery away from a collaborative space to
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 6: all my own stuff now, so it's yeah, it's it's
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 6: back to just.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: So studio galerries just you know this, Yeah, that's all
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: just because you need more space.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 6: No, it's just I found that I brought in a
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 6: caliber of artists that deserved a different space. Like I'm
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 6: in three fourks. It's there's not exactly a huge art market.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 6: When people come to my studio and my gallery, they're
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: there to see my work, and I was watching these
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: amazing works to get a little overlooked. And you know,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 6: we had some great success there with the other artists,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: but they just and many of them have gone on
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: to get in like big gallery. So it just was
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 6: like so good for them, I think, But it was
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: a great experience.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: And so studio a gallery as you can go, you'll
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: be their working Yeah, yeah, and people can come see
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: your work there. Yep.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 6: I'm open, you know, five days a week, and I'm
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: in there painting. You walk in, you see what I'm
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: working on, and then you can walk through and see
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: the rest of my works.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: Pretty fun.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I need. I'm in a spare bedroom stuff.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: Well, man, I appreciate you coming on the show, dude.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: You know what, we were right when it came out
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: in the news, like, I don't know the hell when
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: would have come out in the news, late September. Right away, Yeah,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Krinn and I were like, man, we should get the
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: guy that the Montana guy that won the duck stamp.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: But then Krin's like, we should wait till people start
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: buying their ducks, you know. So we actually talked about
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: doing this back then, but then Krinn was pointed out
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: rightfully that no one can go get it. If you
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: do it later, it'll be that it's like in your
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: wallet and you can pull it out of your wallet
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: and be like, oh yeah shit, yeah, is a person
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: a person painted that?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: Great timing?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like an artist who's trying to make it as
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: an artist painted that. I'm gonna go get mine right
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: after this dude fired up.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 7: Now, Yeah, can I just give a shout out to
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 7: the Junior Stamp contest because I know Karin mentioned it earlier.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 7: That's been a huge passion of mine because I'm sure
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 7: a lot of your thought is how to bridge the
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 7: gap and I think you've probably done a very good
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: job at that between people that don't understand conservation and
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 7: hunting and people that do, and how to, you know,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 7: how to connect with both audiences and the Junior Stamp.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 7: I got involved twelve years ago or so at the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 7: Prairie Wetlands Learning Center Fergus Falls, Minnesota. And that's a
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 7: it's a US Fish and Wildlife Service facility that's incorporated
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 7: into the local K through twelve district, And so the
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 7: kids spent half of their school year on a WMA
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 7: and they basically everything that they learn is centered around
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 7: the outdoors and conservation and kind of like intertwined.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: And so they have the kids.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 7: One of the big projects is they have all their
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 7: students enter the Junior Duck Stamp and then they write
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 7: a paper on the bird species they chose. And so
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: that I work there one season at the Wetland Management District,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 7: and so they asked me, like, hey, would you know
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 7: they knew that I was always entering the duck stamp,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 7: would you speak to the kids and get involved? And
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 7: so I did like a presentation, and that now has
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: become a tradition that I do every year coo, and
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: it's been really it, you know, I now I realize
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 7: the impact that this program has. I mean a lot
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 7: of these kids, just like Emily, have no background. They're
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 7: just that's just what you know. They're just there for
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 7: K through twelve education. But after I come and present,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 7: they do their painting. I mean, they send me a
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 7: stack of note cards at the end of the year
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 7: of just thank you notes, and then they draw me.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: Each student draws me like a hundred and some students
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 7: draw me their own duck and mail.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: Them to me like this whole packet.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Every year.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: The teacher said that a couple.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 7: Of them chose their final project or just write it
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 7: on myself, which I'm like, well it's but like I'm
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 7: just there one day and I'm showing them artwork and
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: talking them about the duck stamp, and they just become
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 7: addicted to it and like so this is a government
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 7: sponsored program that very few people participate in, and the
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 7: you know, when you think about how many classrooms and
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 7: students are out there that is designed to do just that,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 7: bridge the gap and teach young individuals about conservation. That
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 7: mean kids love. To me, two things are like true
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 7: passion as a kid, you love artwork, and you love stories.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 7: And you know, kids love the doodle play with materials.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 7: And then I mean it's whether you're watching a movie
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 7: or cartoons like it's this. You know, kids love stories
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 7: and the story of the duck stamp, the history of
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 7: the program is a really fantastic story. And so they
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 7: you know, that is taught in their experience of participating
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 7: in the Junior Stamp program. And I mean, I would
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 7: just I think we need to encourage a lot more parents.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 7: I mean, whether you're a teacher like Emily's teacher getting
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 7: your kids your students involved, or whether you're just a
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 7: parent and want to get your kids involved.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: Anybody can do it.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 7: You can get the packet online and get started and
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 7: you know, submit a painting.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: We should have put that in the Kids Activity book
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Man Catch Crayfish count Stars. Should have had a thing
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: like submit your duck stamp book.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 6: Two.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: You can encourage that.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: Start kicking that one teacher's ass a little bit sending
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: some kids over there to compete. All right, so you can't.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: You can't do one for three years? You got to
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: sit out.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty twenty seven.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: Do you know what the ducks are for your twenty
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: twenty seven?
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: I think they released this coming year?
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, starts gaming?
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah? Are you gonna spend three years working on it? No?
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: Do you live it? How long? So the next time
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: you can submit, are you gonna limit yourself to how
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: much time you can spend on it?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: I had already started doing that just because I mean,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 7: like I said earlier, just the practicality of it. I mean,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 7: it's the end of the day, it's just a contest
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 7: and a gamble, you know, you just put in and
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 7: cross your fingers. So yeah, I mean, I I want
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 7: to say I spent three weeks of like total commitment
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 7: on this year's I mean, but I mean that's night
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 7: and day, I mean seven days a week.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how many hours? How many hours do you have
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: into that painting? If you had to take a stab?
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: Uh, the painting itself was probably twelve days. But I
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 7: mean that's wearing sweats and looking like cramp round the clock.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 7: So I don't know, twelve times ten twelve hours a
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 7: day and then they're you know, the planning and actually
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 7: going out and getting reference. I mean all adds up
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 7: to a huge commitment.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well paid off man, it did. Yeah yeah, congratulations.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: You can't wait to see your next one.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 6: Well deserved.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: I like any kind of story about American elbow grease man, yep,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: And that's this is all about making a plan, like
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: having a dream, working on it struggles, Yeah, overcoming all
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: that ship.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: Right, and it feels like maybe there's a chance.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: There's a chance, man, there's a chance. I can tell
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: you got Yeah, you're devoted. Thank you, you know, thanks
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: for coming on the show with Shuck Black and Kelsey
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: neanxt for coming on the show. Go pay Kelsey visit
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: at Studio Gallery Three Forks, Montana.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: I'm actually I have some stuff in the Mediator store
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: now too, you do.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I've been writing so much about Three Forks
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: because we're working on the next Meat Eaters American History,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: which is the story of the Mountain Men.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 6: Lots going on.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: I can't get a paragraph without having to talk about
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Three Forks. A ton lot went on there. Yeah, God,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: the mono dudes just bit the dust around three forks.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we were. We went on SETH and I went
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: on a little walk the other day and we came
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 6: across a little plaque about Colter's run, and there's just
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 6: like pretty much everywhere you look, there's little things like that.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: Oh listen, he a lot of dudes bit the dust
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: around three forks, and not always in a pretty way. No,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: but what you when you're reading about Culter, what is
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: often omitted is what happened to the guy he was with.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 6: He got killed, right.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: Not just killed, chopped up, and then Colter was smeared
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: in his innards.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: Oh god, sounds like a podcast.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it is. It's Media's American History The Mountain Book.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah you'll get the full, Yeah, brutal, the full on
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: the bridge. And then there's a so check this out.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: This is a little preyler to so Media's American History
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: the Mountain I'm working out now, but this is dude.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: So this one group of trappers is going up river,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: this group Mountain is going up river and one of
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: the guys get second thoughts and bales and they take
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: this this the head of this group of trappers takes
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: another trapper who was actually a Lewis. John Colter was
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Lewis and Clark alumni. John Potts, who Colter's enterds got
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: smeared on, was a Lewis and Clark alumni. And there's
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: this guy I don't know how to pronounce his name,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: like Dreillard or Drew Llard. Yeah, he was a Lewis
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: and Clark alumni. So this one trapper splits and the
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: head of the expedition says, hey, go find him and
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: bring him to me, dead or alive.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: Go trap him.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: He goes, catches up to him, shoots him in the
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: back between the shoulder blades, hauls him back to camp.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: They say, you shouldn't have tried to do that. They
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  Speaker 1: stick them in the canoe and float them down river.
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  Speaker 1: He washes up dead downriver on the beach. Then his
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: killer winds up dead, chopped up head setting on his
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  Speaker 1: horse in Three Forks.
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  Speaker 6: Remember for that one. I'm just.
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  Speaker 1: A whole big part of the story of the Mountain
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: Men is them getting over like that era, them getting
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: over the idea of the three Forks and moving south
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: because Lewis and Clark when they came through, they saw
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: so much. They spent a lot of time there and
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: They're like, there's a shipload of beavers there. And so
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: it was like this they were very focused on when
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: we got to get to that area, because they talked
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: about how much how many beavers are in the area,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: and they kept going there and the Blackfeet for a
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: long time or like they want nothing to do with this.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: They didn't want to enter the fur trade with the Americans.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: They didn't want Americans in their area. And they're like
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: just very forcefully saying, do not come into our area.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: You know, they said it politely, they said it not
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: so polightly. And eventually they like these trappers trying to
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: come out or kind of like eventually they got legit,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: gave up, oh and move south and that kind of
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: launched sort of like this heyday of the Mountain then.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: But they were always drawn like a moth to flames
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: to the three fok dude, and you go there and
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: bad shit happens.
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  Speaker 6: Now there's a little art glory.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Now you go there and pay attention to go ahead,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: visit the studio. Lot's changed in the West.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Thanks guys, appreciate you coming up. Go buy
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  Speaker 1: your duckt stamp yep.
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  Speaker 14: Uh so no, we've got a day left. We're gonna
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 14: do everything everything we can in our power to make
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 14: this happen, all of us, everybody here on on the side.
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  Speaker 14: Like I said, it feels a little cooler. We got
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 14: some cloud cover which was like the great day we
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 14: had that, so really excited for tonight.
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  Speaker 3: But let's switch gears a little.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 14: Bit and get into Luke Comb's hunting and how it
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 14: kind of ties into some of your music, and you know,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 14: you're starting to get more and more references in your
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 14: song lyrics that you mentioned. It's becoming a bigger, you know,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 14: a piece of your life. You're keeping a and maybe
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 14: it's too personal. This can get cut out, like keeping
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 14: a diary for your kids, like just a hunting journal.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: So what does honey mean to you? When did you start?
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 14: Kind of give us a little background on that and
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 14: just in general.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I really started, I don't know, I guess probably
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 10: eight years ago now and have just been kind of
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 10: have just become obsessed with it, you know really, you
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 10: know obviously my you know, my what I do for
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 10: a living is very sensory overload, you know what I mean.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 10: Like it's just a lot of one place to the
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 10: next to this place, to that place, and in this
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 10: car and in to this place and doing interviews and
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 10: doing photo shoots and shoot music videos and in the
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 10: studio and writing songs and it never ends, you know.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 10: So I think these trips for me, you know, hunting
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 10: started out as a way to kind of it's the
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 10: complete antithesis of that, right, Like it does ultimately, it
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 10: does culminate with some super climax, high intensity moment if
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 10: everything goes right. But like the lead up, you know,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 10: it's like everything about it is very I don't know,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 10: there's a lot of calming elements too, like the whole process, right,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 10: Like you know, I like if you're pumped to go
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 10: hunting to shoot an animal, it's like you're I mean, yeah,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 10: that's the end goal, but it's like just there would
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 10: you would leave feeling empty if you showed up and
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 10: then you shot an animal and that was the end
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 10: and it all ended right, like, you know, spending time
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 10: outside and being with you know, like minded people. And
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 10: I've also learned a tremendous amount of life lessons from
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 10: being out here, right, you know. I was talking with
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 10: you earlier when we were in the tent, when this
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 10: was all getting set up and talking about how, you know,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 10: the music stuff for me has always come really naturally,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 10: you know, and not that it wasn't you know, really difficult,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 10: and that it's not a lot of work, and it
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 10: is all that, but it's never felt like I never
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 10: felt like I had a lot to overcome in the
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 10: sense of and I guess that I did, but it
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 10: just never felt that way.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 10: It's something that I was naturally good at, and I
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 10: really always believed in myself and my ability to do that,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 10: and and once I decided I was going to do
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 10: that for a living, it seemed like I didn't really
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 10: hit a lot of setbacks, you know, just the way
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 10: my story kind of played out.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: I'm very thankful for that.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 10: I'm very lucky, but you know, I'm you know, we've
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 10: talked about a little bit on this trip that I'm
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 10: gonna just sawing a bit of a cold streak in
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 10: the woods man like like the bull dropping. And you know,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 10: I've I've had some some other hunts that just kind
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 10: of everything You do everything the right way and then
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 10: it doesn't work out, you know, the way that that
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 10: it's supposed to, And I mean even down to the
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 10: you know, the eleventh hour.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: You know, like I've had stuff recently.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 10: Where I'm like, we're already celebrating and then it's it
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 10: doesn't go away that you think that it's going to go.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 10: And so I've learned a lot through those experiences, right
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 10: that that not you know, just because you do everything
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 10: you can, and you you prepare the best that you
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 10: possibly can, and you do everything you feel like the
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 10: right way, and you're coming on these you know, public
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 10: land hunts, and you know, I could probably afford to
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 10: go do whatever hunt I wanted to, but I don't
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 10: want to do that. You know, I want I want
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 10: it to be a challenge. I want it to be difficult.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 10: I want there to be you know, I want it
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 10: to be you know, I don't can't say I want
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 10: to go hike to the top of the Himalayan mountains,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 10: but you know what I mean, Like, I don't want
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 10: it to be I don't want to just sit in
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 10: in front of a you know, in front of a
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 10: big pile of apples and they go, well that's you know,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 10: this is you know, Razor Blade's going to walk out
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 10: in five minutes.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, And you're gonna shoot that.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: It's like, I'm just not interested in that, you know.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 10: So, but yeah, I keep that journal, man, and it
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 10: helps me kind of and especially through this, through this
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 10: kind of last year. I guess that's it's been really
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 10: tough for me, at least big game wise, it's been.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 10: It's been tough for me. I've had a great Turkey
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 10: season this year. I'm thankful for that.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 10: You know, Turkey Woods seems like the only thing that
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 10: keep me coming back right now. You know, it hasn't
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 10: been a lot of hasn't hasn't been a lot of
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 10: good outcomes anywhere else. But I keep that journal really,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 10: you know, I me and my friends talk about it
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 10: a lot. That I go hunting with you know, Dan
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 10: and Read they have a podcast through Meet And I've
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 10: been hunting with those guys for years and they're some
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 10: of my best friends. And you know, they grew up
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 10: hunting and their dad hunts, and so they're like, man,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 10: I just I wish I had I wish my dad
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 10: would have done that.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: I wish I could go back and read all my.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 10: Dad's you know, the days that he was miserable and
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 10: the days that he was you know, that he got
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 10: the biggest year of his life. I wish I could
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 10: have all that stuff, you know, And so my wife
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 10: bought me that book a few years ago for Christmas,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 10: I think around twenty nineteen. And just this Elkhunt's going
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 10: to be the last pages of my first first journal.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: That will be completely filled up.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 10: Uh So I'm excited about about starting the next one
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 10: and and hopefully we can get we can get.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: Something done, and there'll be something good in the end
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: of that one.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna do everything we can. Mm hmmm
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: mm hmmmmmmmmmm
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 12: Mm hmm