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Jeff Suppan joins the show! Personal life, 2006 playoffs... and brawls · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 1: For this episode, we have a special guest, an old friend,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff soup On butt. Before we say hello, Jeff, we
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  Speaker 1: soup On seventeen year MLB veteran, two stints with the Cardinals,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and six World Series champ NLCS MVP, five
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  Speaker 1: straight seasons with at least two hundred innings pitch. You
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  Speaker 1: don't see that anymore, six seasons for his career, and
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  Speaker 1: by giving the resume, I feel it's now an appropriate
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  Speaker 1: time to say, Hi.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff.
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  Speaker 3: Kat, how are you? Great to see you. That's a
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  Speaker 3: great intro.
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  Speaker 1: Do you deserve it? You did a lot of great
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  Speaker 1: things in Major League baseball. But right now you're en root,
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about Jeff soupon the Civilian. Your daughter,
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  Speaker 1: Findley is an outstanding pitcher in softball. I think you're
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  Speaker 1: going to one of her tournaments. So tell me what
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  Speaker 1: you're up to now, because Cardinal fans want to know
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  Speaker 1: what's up with Soup.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what's Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Yesterday we had a game at West Hill's Pony Baseball.
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  Speaker 4: We were down so nothing in the sixth inning and
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  Speaker 4: in the seventh I'm sorry, down seven to nothing and
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  Speaker 4: seven we came back and won that game down seven nothing.
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  Speaker 3: It was awesome.
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  Speaker 4: So now we're getting ready to travel up to San
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  Speaker 4: Louis Obispo area and I'm gonna watch my daughter play.
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  Speaker 3: So it's what am I up to?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, basically, my kids lives fill my time and
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  Speaker 4: it's awesome and uh, and then my wife Dana.
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  Speaker 3: Tells me what to do the rest of the time.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm just trying to you know, just trying to
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  Speaker 4: stay in the top five percent of husbands out there.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're doing it, say to day in formant,
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  Speaker 2: I just won.
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  Speaker 1: Well, some guys, former athletes, former professional athletes that have kids,
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  Speaker 1: they passed down solid.
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  Speaker 2: Jean Pool, So kudos to you on that.
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  Speaker 1: But how do you handle being at your kids games
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  Speaker 1: when you have this wealth of information and have done
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  Speaker 1: it at the highest level?
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  Speaker 2: Are you a yeller?
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  Speaker 3: Do you hid?
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  Speaker 1: Like Matt Holliday would go to his kids games when
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  Speaker 1: his kids were in high school or younger youth baseball
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  Speaker 1: and put a hoodie on and pull the string so
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  Speaker 1: everything so you didn't know was him. How do you
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  Speaker 1: handle being Jeff soup pump at your kids' games?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, basically, I just am myself, right, So
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  Speaker 4: I'm very friendly.
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  Speaker 3: I try to show people that.
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  Speaker 4: We're all nervous, Okay, So when you're a parent of
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  Speaker 4: a pitcher, of course you're nervous. It doesn't matter if
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  Speaker 4: you you know you got three hundred wins in the
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  Speaker 4: big leagues or you don't. So we have instances all
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  Speaker 4: the time where somebody you know will talk about game changer.
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  Speaker 3: You know, because I sit right behind home plate.
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  Speaker 4: I chart fin these games like I'm the next starter,
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  Speaker 4: the next day starter. I use the same chart that
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  Speaker 4: I did for Forever and Brodie's games. I'm on the field,
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  Speaker 4: so it's a little different, but you know, it's funny
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  Speaker 4: because parents they think you know everything, and I try
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  Speaker 4: to let them believe that, but I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 4: as a player, we don't. I mean, we're we we
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  Speaker 4: learned it on our own, our parents helped us.
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  Speaker 3: That's all we're trying to do for our kids.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not going there and it's a show,
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  Speaker 4: like I'm not sitting there with my Cardinals World Series
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  Speaker 4: ring and I'm like, hey, you know, you're just a
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  Speaker 4: parent and you're and you're super nervous. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: I literally I do not know how my family did
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  Speaker 4: it for twenty years watching me pitch. Okay, uh, there
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  Speaker 4: are so many games like I can't even eat when
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  Speaker 4: she pitches, Like when she'll play high level like you're playing.
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  Speaker 4: She played the number number one softball team in the
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  Speaker 4: in the country, and I'm like, oh.
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  Speaker 3: My gosh, why is she pitching now.
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  Speaker 4: I know how my my parents felt when I was
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  Speaker 4: thrown against the NLC.
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  Speaker 3: Against the match.
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  Speaker 4: You're just you have no control as a parent, so
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  Speaker 4: a lot of easier if you're mad. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if his kids pitched, but it's a lot easier when
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  Speaker 4: they're a position player.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, first off game Changer is one of
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  Speaker 1: the greatest inventions ever. I can't tell you how many
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  Speaker 1: times my kid's pitching. He's a pitcher, and I'm on
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  Speaker 1: the road, not this year, but I'm at a game,
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  Speaker 1: what you know, doing little hits on Cardinals, and I
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  Speaker 1: almost give my kids score because I'm watching it on
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  Speaker 1: the game Changer. But here's the thing. I'm with you, right, No,
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  Speaker 1: it's true, like I almost say Ford to Nope, that's
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  Speaker 1: my kid's game. My kid pitches, he did not inherit
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  Speaker 1: great athletic jeans like your kids did. But I get
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  Speaker 1: more nervous. Like here I am interviewing world famous celebrities
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  Speaker 1: like Jeff Suphat.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm not nervous. But when my.
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  Speaker 1: Kid pitches, and the only advice I ever say is
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  Speaker 1: take your breath, keep pounding the zone.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise he'll give me a dirty look. So he's okay
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  Speaker 2: when they go, take your breath, keep pounding the zone.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, otherwise for the other kids, I'll always say, here
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  Speaker 1: we go, Billy, let's go scooter, whatever it is. But
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  Speaker 1: being a parent, while you're kipitching it will it will
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  Speaker 1: take it at me. But it does bring me to another,
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  Speaker 1: meaning I told you, yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Well I'm saying, like your advice, that's good advice, whether
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  Speaker 4: you know you played or forever or not. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: breathing is the number one thing. Like for years, I
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  Speaker 4: would sit there and I look at Finley or Brodie
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  Speaker 4: and I'd do it to every single picture I have.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's like, take your breath. Yeah, you know, take
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  Speaker 3: you have to you have to breathe.
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  Speaker 4: And I thought this homeless guy was coming over here,
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  Speaker 4: but we're okay.
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  Speaker 2: I hope he does because it'll be a good video.
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  Speaker 3: He's a good interview. But no, that's great advice and
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. You know.
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  Speaker 4: It's like every kid learns on their own and you
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  Speaker 4: have to learn when you fail.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that's just the way it is.
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  Speaker 2: So here's the other thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I told you before we started, I had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things I wanted to talk to you about.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know what order because it is going
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  Speaker 1: to go all over the place. But I do think,
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  Speaker 1: first off, anyone that has kids, they probably play sports,
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  Speaker 1: and I think there's something to learn from here in
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  Speaker 1: other people's experience. But this ties into your professional career.
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  Speaker 1: We don't see pitchers logging two hundred innings anymore, certainly
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  Speaker 1: not five straight seasons.
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  Speaker 2: So you were a guy who.
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  Speaker 1: Threw control movement over velocity. Right, you didn't have a
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  Speaker 1: ninety nine mile in that hour fastball. What do you
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  Speaker 1: think the key for the fact that for the most
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  Speaker 1: part in your career you were healthy and you always
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  Speaker 1: logged a lot of innings, which is such an important
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  Speaker 1: thing to have from your starting rotation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, I mean I think it was just bread in us.
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  Speaker 4: I was not you know, I was touted as the
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  Speaker 4: next Roger Clemmons, you know, like you know when they
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  Speaker 4: the scouts put things on you. But I just never
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  Speaker 4: got to the velocity. I mean I topped out when
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  Speaker 4: I was throwing out of the bullpen ninety five and
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  Speaker 4: then as a starter, I never could pitch that way.
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  Speaker 4: And my you know, different pitching coaches through the years
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  Speaker 4: would say, hey, Soup, can you throw harder?
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  Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, but.
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  Speaker 4: I I can't command it when I throw harder. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I just I missed too much. So and it became
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  Speaker 4: a mentality, and you know, I came up. You know,
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  Speaker 4: depending on what team you come up is really how
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  Speaker 4: you learn. You know, if you're coming up with the
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  Speaker 4: with the Cardinals in the in the two thousands and
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  Speaker 4: and uh, you know you're expecting a lot of wins
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  Speaker 4: really strong teams. You're coming up with another team in
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  Speaker 4: the two thousands and really it may change the.
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  Speaker 3: Way you view pitching.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So, regardless whether you're getting wins or not, you know,
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  Speaker 4: innings was the foundation and number of starts. So my
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  Speaker 4: personal goal was always to throw to win fifteen, to
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  Speaker 4: throw two hundred, and to make at least thirty starts
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  Speaker 4: a year. That was Those were some of my goals.
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  Speaker 4: Now how do you get to those goals? It's like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: well I can't control the wins, okay, but I can control.
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  Speaker 3: The quality starts.
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  Speaker 4: So I took fifteen wins and I changed it to
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  Speaker 4: quality starts, and I said, I want to have eighteen
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  Speaker 4: to twenty quality starts if I can't. And the mentality
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  Speaker 4: of just being able to grind through innings to work.
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  Speaker 3: When you don't have your best stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the bottom line is everyone's great when they
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  Speaker 4: have their best stuff, but how do you pitch when
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  Speaker 4: you don't?
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  Speaker 3: And that's how you throw two hundred innings?
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  Speaker 4: And to be honest with you, when I came over
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  Speaker 4: to Saint Louis, I had I had five years in
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  Speaker 4: a row, and I wasn't winning many games. So for me,
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  Speaker 4: like throwing two hundred innings was like, I have to
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  Speaker 4: at least get to two hundred innings if I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: win ten, you know games.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I.
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  Speaker 4: Come to Saint Louis that first year and I think
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  Speaker 4: I won sixteen and I was mad because I didn't
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  Speaker 4: throw two hundred innings.
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  Speaker 3: Tony kept taking me out of the game. I was
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  Speaker 3: getting mad, but I didn't say anything because wins are
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  Speaker 3: really great.
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  Speaker 4: And would you believe when it came time for the playoffs,
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  Speaker 4: like I felt amazing, I mean really, And I threw
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  Speaker 4: twenty innings that.
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  Speaker 3: Year in that postseason and felt fine.
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  Speaker 4: So I realized, like previously, like I was probably grinding
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  Speaker 4: myself down a little bit too much. I was durable,
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  Speaker 4: and I was you know, I could throw the two hundred,
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  Speaker 4: but I wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Or two hundred and fifty inn.
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  Speaker 4: Guy, But but who knows, Maybe I could have been
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  Speaker 4: if I would have trained that way.
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  Speaker 3: But I think now they just don't train that way.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't, it doesn't. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 3: mean it just that it looks like they don't really
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  Speaker 3: want that.
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  Speaker 1: So is it between starts and kind I hear some
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  Speaker 1: of the old timers, and you're still a young man,
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  Speaker 1: so don't take offense. But they talk about long tossing
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  Speaker 1: being a lost thing, that long tossing between starts keeps
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  Speaker 1: your arm healthy, strong and active.
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  Speaker 2: Do you do you buy into that?
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  Speaker 3: So?
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  Speaker 4: I was never an overlong toss guy, like a Jaeger
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  Speaker 4: type guy throwing three hundreds, you know, feet or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But I threw. I threw one to one fifty every day.
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  Speaker 3: I threw the same way every day, right. I didn't like.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't say, oh my arm feels a little soft today.
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  Speaker 4: I maybe shortened the minutes, but I really played the
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  Speaker 4: cat play catch the same way every day, and I
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  Speaker 4: was really trying to go for a consistency. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what they do now. I have no idea if
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  Speaker 4: they throw long toss or not. Are you saying they don't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying it's not as big a part of the
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  Speaker 1: between star routines for a lot of pictures as I
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  Speaker 1: hear from the old timers, as it is as it
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  Speaker 1: used to be, that they've gotten away from that as
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  Speaker 1: like the main staple.
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  Speaker 2: Now some guys might do it, I don't, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't judge everyone else.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know sometimes what they do between starts,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm told that that's one of the big differences.
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  Speaker 1: So you weren't in Saint Louis like two stints, which
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  Speaker 1: is kind of cool. I remember you, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: when you were in Kansas City. You don't even remember me,
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  Speaker 1: but I was there for like a couple of months
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  Speaker 1: while you were there, and then I got moved to
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  Speaker 1: Saint Louis with Fox, and it was like night and day.
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  Speaker 1: Kansas City clubhouse was down. Your manager once called me
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  Speaker 1: into his office to rip everyone on the team, and
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  Speaker 1: I barely knew him. And then we both get to
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  Speaker 1: Saint Louis and it's like, because when he does that,
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  Speaker 1: it was a whole different feel. Everything was brighter, everything
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  Speaker 1: was more fun, everything was more enjoyable. But in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and six, I was going back and because I
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  Speaker 1: remember some of it, but your rotation was you had
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  Speaker 1: the bulk of the starts Carpenter and Marquis and then
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  Speaker 1: other guys kind of piecemeal. What well you think of
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: two thousand and six when you want it all. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, kudos on the on the NLCS MVP, But
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  Speaker 1: what do you remember about that season most And there's
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  Speaker 1: a handsome fellow right there in that year pitching.
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  Speaker 3: Think of that, young Buck. I still look the same almost.
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  Speaker 2: You've aged beautifully.
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  Speaker 3: I think I've done all right, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: And makes one of us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you look fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I think that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's funny like Sidney Ponson, who I remember
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  Speaker 4: pitching against when I was in when I was with
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  Speaker 4: the Red Sox, I didn't realize he was on our team.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how long he was there, and you're right,
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  Speaker 4: it was like and then Weaver came over and Moulder yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but Mulder got hurt pretty yeah, oh yeah he started Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: is we were Weaver came over because Mulder yeah yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 4: and then you know that Anthony reyis and I think, honestly,
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  Speaker 4: it was it was just a really a belief that
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  Speaker 4: you know, we had grinded the entire year, barely made
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  Speaker 4: it in. I mean, and we had nothing to lose,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like there was nothing to lose,
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  Speaker 4: so let's just go out and play, and I think
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  Speaker 4: it made it stronger as a pitching staff and as
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  Speaker 4: a team. And I mean, you know Detroit, I mean
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  Speaker 4: they kind of you know, they kind of helped us
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  Speaker 4: a little bit, like getting through getting through the the
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  Speaker 4: the Mets was just like that was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: One of the greatest series.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and then and we also had the Astros
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  Speaker 4: and know for another great series, and those the series
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  Speaker 4: that you have to work.
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  Speaker 3: That's where it's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: And that's where, like last year, that World Series, that
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  Speaker 4: was probably the funnest I mean, I don't That's probably
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  Speaker 4: the only time I watched baseball, and I just it's
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  Speaker 4: just when you when it goes.
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  Speaker 3: Back and forth and anyone can win it. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, oh six yeah yeah right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the years twenty years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: So one of the things that I always think about,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: because people don't know this about Jeff Soupon, is that
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: you hit four eighty as a senior in high school
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: a first basement that could d Somebody used Google. Somebody
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: used Google.
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  Speaker 3: To eleven home runs fifty five RBIs.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: With two homers in the big leagues, one of them
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and the nlcs off the same guy, Tracchual. I think,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: what do you remember about your home run because that
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the kids call it a big flex?
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: That was a big flex.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the I didn't use those terminologies, you know, but
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I was like, okay, so I told I shared this
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: story a few times. But when I came over, I
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: hit a few times. Pittsburgh, Arizona, and you know, in
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh I only hit for four months, but I hit.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Like three hundred. It was unbelievable.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: I mean I was basically hit it against the fence
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: and it's at least a single.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: That's how slow I was. And when I went to
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Saint Louis, everyone hit and I was in an.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Zero for forty four. It was unbelievable. And Dave McKay
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: told me, he goes, hey, listen, soup. How many pitchers
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: can say they went oh for the season?
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I said, I said, I said.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: You're one hundred percent right. I'm gonna stop trying to
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: hit the ball, right, And Tony gave me two slash
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: bunts and I end up getting a hit. That's that's
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: an uh four. So when Larry comes over, he makes
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: a comment in the paper. Everyone's getting like standing ovations
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: just for normal home runs, not like game winners or
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: like curtain calls for I mean, just just a third
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: inning home run, you're getting a curtain call, right, So
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: I am trying to hit a home run. So I
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: just got to get one home run, and it was
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Steve Traxel. And this is the craziest thing about this story.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: My buddy who was His name is Brian Hopkins, and
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: you should check out his music.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, great dude.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: He trained every off season with me because he was
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: a musician, and so he was the only one who
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: was available in the morning, so we played catch and
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: so when I went to Saint Louis, I used his
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: song It's All for You as my walk up song.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: So he came with the camp corder my camp corner
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: to film it his song being played.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: In the stadium, and I hit a home run, so
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I actually have a home footage video from the stands
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: of myself hitting the home run. Now what I remember.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: I remember hitting it.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: I remember putting my head down and trying to run
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: as fast as I could.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I remember like I didn't know if it was gone.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I couldn't even see the ball.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: So I remember the umpire I looked at him and
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: he was circling, and then I never I basically stepped
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: on home plate and took a deep breath because I
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: was holding my breath the whole time, and then I
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: got a curtain call.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Yes you did.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Give me a Tony larusa story. You know, I just
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: saw him this year and he's still doing his thing.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: He's still every bit Tony.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: How you doing.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I'll let you know at ten o'clock, I'd like to
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: manage against you. Blah blah blah, you know, all the stinging.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Give me a Tony Larus' story.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, So basically, he he was probably the most consistent manager.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I thought he was. I love playing for him. And
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: he just had some funny quirks like we all do.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Right. So there was one time I'm I'm I'm on
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: the bench and I'm just observing and I'm sitting there.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: I'm like, why does he have his hands behind his back?
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: And he has like numbers, like he has numbers behind
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: his back, right.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: And I asked somebody, I'm like, what is going on?
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: And he goes, oh, I don't know. I think he's
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: trying to like change the count, you know, like like
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: superstition wise. And I'm like, oh, really okay.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: And then and then I'm I'm sitting there and this
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: is the And then the next day it's like, I see.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Woody would Woody williams Uh. Tony used to come out
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: and clean up all the cups, and I used to say,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: sweepers out, and so.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: He would come in and he would clean all the
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: cups up, and then then Woody would walk by and
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: like potunicky trips and then all the cups fall over
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: the floor and you could see Tony was just like,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: so I'm like, I'm seeing this totally intense manager, right,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: And so one day, you know, we used to have
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: an expression which was miss the anthem.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Missed the game, like you had you had to be
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: out there for the national anthem.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: So I am like running behind, right, and so I'm sprinting.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: The national anthem is getting ready to start, and.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Tony used to have all these celebrities and and you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: actors and musicians and I and I'm like thinking, he
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: is like the most intense baseball guy.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: And he's sitting there talking to meat Loaf for like
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: twenty minutes, and I'm like and I'm sprinting by.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Like I hope I'm not gonna be in trouble.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: And Tony's sitting there and he's just talking to meat
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Loaf and then he comes out after the national anthem.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: So it's like you never know what you get, you
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. But he was consistent and he
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: would just he was just Tony man.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: He had some great one liners, like when he yelled
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: at Prenzy and he said, that's why I have the
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: big office and you have a locker when Prinzy changed
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: the stretch time.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: It was one of the greatest lines I've ever heard
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: that I've used it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: He was great employ He had celebrity friends. I met
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of people thanks to Tony LaRussa.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: A lot of me too, me too. It was great.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Who was the best guy that you met?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Like, there was the guy from Rush, there was the
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: author of both.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Legal Okay, this is this was This was always my
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: one liner to these people.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: I said, oh, yeah, where do you live?
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Because ninety of them lived in la and I did too,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: and so they would say, oh I live in La'm like,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: oh so do I.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I go, I live in the valley. Where do you live?
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: They're like, I live in the valley too. I'm like,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh. You know. So I would try to, like,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: you know, but it never worked out.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know those people are they're so busy,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, we're busy, and I'm like it didn't
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: work out. But like Larry Walker was a huge Rush fan,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: and he was, you know, with Geddy and all those guys.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: But those guys love music, Eddie Vedder. Yeah, I mean
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: just they just love baseball. I mean, you know.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: And so I don't know who else I met, but
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I know I met some people that I never would
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: have met if it wasn't for Tony LaRussa.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Now I have one thing I want to ask you about.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Le Bra was s I believe that was twenty ten.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I bring it up because there was I think that's
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: you holding on to someone. But at some point you
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: did end up under the pile, and you did miraculously
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: escape that pile. And now I don't know if you
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: have any sort of lingering psychological things you're dealing with
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: from being part of that, but if you can, if
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you can take us through that, because it was a fight.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Somehow you were under a pile and then I saw
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: you scurrying out.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: So tell me about that.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I got a story about it. Are you ready? Yep? Okay,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: buckle up? All right? So basically that day I get
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: put on the dl okay and so I'm basically released
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: and I come over there.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to get it get it right again. And
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: so I get put on the DL and then Phillips
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: makes comments in the paper and you know, even though
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: I've been on the team, you know, but I've been
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: gone for a couple of years, it's a little different group.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: And so the whole thing happens, and you know, Yatt,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: he says what he says, and then boom, we come
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: out right.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: So I'm sitting there and.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, I'm on the d L and if
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: we make the playoffs, I gotta make sure Carp is
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: not gonna get hurt right here, because Carp was like
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: totally chirping. I was like, bro, come on, now, let's
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: let let the others, you know, handle this, And so
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: he starts.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: To yell at Dusty and then rolling like it.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Was like he turns like you're yelling at my manager,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: and they start walking toward each other, and that picture
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: is like me like hey, row row.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Row, hey, hey, you know, like say, what are you
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: guys doing? Like, and they got and I was I
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: was there.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know who's in front of me, but when
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: I was there, I knew they weren't gonna throw punches,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: but they were like it was it was like two
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: heavyweights coming together and they were out of breath.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: It was the funniest thing. I'm like, wait, wait, you
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: guys are out of breath. They didn't even do anything yet.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: They were holding onto each other's shirts and and so
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: you know, but uh uh Scotty was protecting his manager,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: like you know, like nobody's gonna yell at my manager
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: and uh and then Karp is protecting you know, YACHTI
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: And so what happens at this point is I don't
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: know when when.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: We got when all the when everybody gets together, somehow
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: we I get pushed.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: We all get pushed.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: I thought we all did, but maybe it was just me.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: I was slammed to the ground by push. I'm sorry,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: not slam pushed to the ground.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: And so.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: You know, when you're in a brawl, like the last
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: place you want to be is on the ground with
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: everyone wearing spikes, right, So I.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Am immediately flipped over and I crawled out. And then
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: it was funny like my father in law was like, man,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: what are you doing? Crawled out like one's just staying there.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, and I told him that story,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: and then I realized I I.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Crawled out through all of the cardoes. I didn't even know.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: I didn't know who's what team is where, you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: And then I'm like, where's carp you know, I got,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: you know, and then I ended up going uh and
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: so I kind of just tried to surround him so like,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: because I don't know what happened he you know, obviously
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: I wasn't on the team when they were facing each
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: other all the time, but he was fired up, you know.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: And so then I'm trying to hold him.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: And then that's when who the I don't know who
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: it was, Queto was spiking him, but yeah, you know
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: I was he got he got the catcher LaRue and
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: hurt from yes bad and LaRue was such a great guy.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: That was super sad. I mean, but that's those are
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: things that you know, like you know, but yeah, that
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: was that was That was nice. That was a nice
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: little one.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: That's a good. All right, last thing before we let
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: you go. You're on social media and now, so tell
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: me about that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: The followers. Hey, I mean, let me let me tell you.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Let me tell your listeners about you.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: So I I I'm trying to learn what it's called.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Instagram and and Twitter X and I don't know, Like
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I was, like, what else am I going to do?
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: So I have like two followers, and so I reached
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: out to Kat, I said, man, I go listen. The
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Cardinals they won't even follow me, Like I don't even
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: get it, like the organization. The Cardinals won't follow me,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: but the Royals they followed me in like two seconds.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: But I only got like two followers. And so you
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: tweeted out and then you did through exs like let's
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: help our friend out. And all of a sudden, I
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: went to ten followers in like a minute. And that
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: was because of you. That was because of you, baby.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: That's ju Cat.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you some shit. One of the all
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: time nicest guys I ever dealt with. I appreciate you
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: spending some time. First of all, I know you're going
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to your daughter's tournament, so good luck to her, say
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: hi to Dana. But I just wanted to say thanks
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: for coming on. You're a good man, and I will
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: see you at the twenty sixteen reunion.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to see you, dud, I can't. I
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: can't believe you don't call me every day and with
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: chat you're the same guy. You were then too, before
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: all the fame and all the glory.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: And and I tell you what, it is hard to
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: be the dad of a picture's son, regardless, it doesn't
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: matter who you are. It's hard. And uh, I wish
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: him the best of luck. And you tell them, hey man,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: keep your chin up. And you know it one in
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: doubt a little bit underneath the chinnel get people off
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: the plate.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: You can still do that in high school, right. I mean,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: in the big leagues you can, but in high school
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: you can.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Take your breath. Take your breath, super always a pleasure.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Hopefully that episode won't suck