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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 5-7-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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  Speaker 1: Willis on Utah's number one sports talk and home of
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  Speaker 1: the ESPN seven ninety two one a f M, a
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  Speaker 1: proud part of Utah's ESPN Radio Network.
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  Speaker 2: Heavy Thursday, Everybody, Welcome to the Shan O'Connell Show on
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  Speaker 2: ESPN seven two one FM. Bun show lined up. Gordy
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  Speaker 2: Chia's is gonna swing by, Tony Parks is gonna swing by.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk some MLB, We'll talk some Salt Lake Bees,
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk a little college football as well, because there's
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  Speaker 2: some rule changes, some some calendar proposals that are on
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  Speaker 2: the table, and Tony Parks he follows it all. Remember
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  Speaker 2: everything I said a couple days ago about styles making
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  Speaker 2: fights in the NBA playoffs, and hey, maybe, just maybe
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  Speaker 2: the Minnesota Timberwolves are the team that is equipped to
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  Speaker 2: knock off the likes of the Denver Nuggets. We've already
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  Speaker 2: seen that maybe they're the best equipped to take out
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  Speaker 2: the San Antonio Spurs, And so don't sleep on the
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  Speaker 2: fighting Rudy Goberts of Minnesota. I'm an idiot. Don't just
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  Speaker 2: wash out everything I said. The San Antonio Spurs woke
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  Speaker 2: up in Game two and absolutely demolished the Minnesota Timberwolves.
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  Speaker 2: One thirty three ninety five was the final score in
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  Speaker 2: this game, and it wasn't really close at any particular point.
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  Speaker 2: Victor Weinbinyama decided not to miss all eight three point attempts.
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  Speaker 2: Now he only made two of seven. He ended up
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  Speaker 2: scoring nineteen points in this game. He added another fifteen rebounds.
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  Speaker 2: He did not expand a whole ton of energy on
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  Speaker 2: the defense. He uh the peasant pedestrian. He's in single
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  Speaker 2: digit blocks for this game. Pathetic. But most importantly, more importantly,
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  Speaker 2: every starter for the San Antonio Spurs in double figures.
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  Speaker 2: Dylan Harper and Harrison Barnes came off the bench with
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  Speaker 2: double digits as well, and your Minnesota Timberwolves got nothing
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  Speaker 2: from nobody. Former jazz Man Rudy Gobert and Mike Conley
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  Speaker 2: combined for a whopping eight points in the game. Rudy
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  Speaker 2: did a little bit of work on the boards. He
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  Speaker 2: had no steals, he had no block shots. He did
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  Speaker 2: not have his best game by any stretch of the imagination.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Ingles, by the way, got a little bit of run.
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  Speaker 2: You don't see that all the time. Joe Ingles had
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  Speaker 2: ten minutes in the game as well.
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  Speaker 3: The biggest indications that they lost by about forty points
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  Speaker 3: is that Joe Ingles gets in the game for the
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  Speaker 3: te Wolves. All due respect, he just he's not been
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  Speaker 3: that rotational player.
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  Speaker 2: Jingling Joe is there. He's a mascot right now, and
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  Speaker 2: that's okay. He's the chemist on the bench. Yeah, it's fine,
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  Speaker 2: all right. He's had eleven seasons in the NBA with
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  Speaker 2: an unathletic build like he has already played with house money.
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  Speaker 2: It's totally already overachieved. Yeah, it's great. Anthony Edwards came
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  Speaker 2: off the bench again. He had twenty four minutes inefficient
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  Speaker 2: this time around, and that was one of the keys
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  Speaker 2: in Game one for the Minnesota Timbrels. Again, very narrow
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  Speaker 2: margin of victory there, but you had Anthony Edwards come
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  Speaker 2: off the bench. And not only did he come off
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  Speaker 2: the bench and give you quality minutes, he gave you
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  Speaker 2: incredibly efficient minutes. He shot well from both inside the
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  Speaker 2: arc and outside range. He hit his free throws in
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  Speaker 2: this game. He turned the ball over almost as much
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  Speaker 2: as he scored it. So the San Antonio Spurs have
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  Speaker 2: righted the ship in their game too.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see the crazy three at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the shot clock, and I think it's third quarter by
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  Speaker 3: Devin vessel I did not, so game's already out of hand.
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  Speaker 3: It was only like a twenty point lead, though it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't like thirty to forty end of the shot clock.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was Champenni gets an offensive rebound and
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  Speaker 3: he has to turn. He's like saving it from out
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  Speaker 3: of bounds. He has to turn and toss it to
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  Speaker 3: the corner. The cell doesn't even He's already jumped for
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  Speaker 3: some reason. I guess he had to jump to catch
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  Speaker 3: the pass, so he's he does his jump as if
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  Speaker 3: he had the ball already and shoots it while he's
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  Speaker 3: in the air, as if he had the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the legs to propel himself in the air with the
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  Speaker 3: ball like you normally shoot a jump shot. He already
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  Speaker 3: jumped though, smooth as can be swish. At the end
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  Speaker 3: of the shot clock, it was it was like, Wow,
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  Speaker 3: you don't see that every day. The everything was going
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  Speaker 3: well for the Spurs. The Spurs coasted in this one.
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  Speaker 2: The New York Nicks are gonna sweep the Philadelphia seventy
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  Speaker 2: six Ers at this rate. New York shot twenty from
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  Speaker 2: three last night and still won by six. The Philadelphia
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  Speaker 2: seventy six Ers didn't go deep into their bench. They
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  Speaker 2: didn't feel comfortable doing so, and of course we already
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  Speaker 2: talked about this a lot. Joel Embiid, the fragile megastar,
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  Speaker 2: was fragile last night and did not play. So Paul George, Tyrese, Maxi,
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  Speaker 2: Kelly ubre VJ Edge come who we love. He's a
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  Speaker 2: great player, He's been awesome this rookie year. Just not
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  Speaker 2: enough against the New York Knicks. So the second round
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  Speaker 2: series continue to take shape in the NBA, and I
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  Speaker 2: feel like, as I often do, I overreacted to Minnesota's
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  Speaker 2: overachieving in Game one, especially on the defensive end, and
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  Speaker 2: gave them more credit than they showed me in Game
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  Speaker 2: two that they deserve. Of course, these roller coasters, they
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  Speaker 2: go up and down. There's peaks and valleys in all
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  Speaker 2: these series, So don't count the Timberwolves out yet. But
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  Speaker 2: I was expecting more of what we saw in Game
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  Speaker 2: one and didn't get it. I also I did not
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  Speaker 2: expect the San Antonio Spurs and particularly Wemby to play
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  Speaker 2: such an odd game like he did in Game one
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  Speaker 2: throughout the course of this series. But it's not like
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  Speaker 2: it was a massive explosion from him that allowed the
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  Speaker 2: San Antonio Spurs to be so dominant in Game two.
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  Speaker 2: That would almost make me feel better if I'm a
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  Speaker 2: Timberwolves fan. If you're looking at a game and you're
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  Speaker 2: looking at a situation where you're playing against one of
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  Speaker 2: the seven best players in the world and that guy
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  Speaker 2: just goes off, You're like, well, yeah, of course they
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  Speaker 2: beat us by thirty because we don't have that, and
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  Speaker 2: they do, and that's gonna happen. That guy's gonna flip
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  Speaker 2: that switch every four games and there's not a whole
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  Speaker 2: lot we can do about that. That's not why san
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  Speaker 2: Antonio demolished Minnesota in this game. That would be the
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  Speaker 2: most easily explainable, and in a weird way, the most easy.
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  Speaker 2: Is he the swallow loss? Well, yeah, the alien decided
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  Speaker 2: he was going to be an alien in this game,
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  Speaker 2: and so we don't have anything. As much as we
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  Speaker 2: like our multiple time Defensive Player of the Year big
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  Speaker 2: man who does a good job of slowing him down,
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  Speaker 2: he's still not the same he's older, he's slower, he's
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  Speaker 2: not nearly the offensive weapons. So like they don't fully
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  Speaker 2: cancel one another out. That wasn't the explanation though, That
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  Speaker 2: wasn't the thing. That's not how I that's not my consolation.
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  Speaker 2: It's not how I make myself feel better. If I'm
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  Speaker 2: a Minnesota timberwolf, Minnesota lost the game to the Spurs,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't lose a game to Victor wembin Yama.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, seven players in double figures, the leading scorer, Stefan
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  Speaker 3: Castle just twenty one points. Like that's that's a team
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  Speaker 3: effort that was better than your team effort.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly it. It's a lot more demoralizing when that
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  Speaker 2: team effort when their top seven guys are just that
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  Speaker 2: much better than your top seven guys.
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  Speaker 3: I think Keldon Johnson's sixth Man of the Year added nine,
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  Speaker 3: Lindy Waters added eight, So you had seven in double
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  Speaker 3: figures and two more basically in double figures.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's tough to beat over On the NHL
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  Speaker 2: side of the sports equation, again, you're having a hard time,
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  Speaker 2: probably if you're a new hockey fan in the market
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  Speaker 2: deciding which you want to watch. Buffalo beats Montreal four
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  Speaker 2: to two, and the Anaheim Ducks knotted up their series
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  Speaker 2: with the Golden Knights at one apiece. And three to
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  Speaker 2: one is the final score in the Anaheim Las Vegas game.
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  Speaker 2: I only watched the tail end of this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: putting the kids to bed, doing the thing like all right,
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  Speaker 2: let me let me tune in for let me go
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  Speaker 2: rewind back in the San Antonio game, I was recording
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  Speaker 2: and let me just during these commercials, let me pop
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  Speaker 2: over and check out the end of this Vegas game.
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  Speaker 2: It should have been three zero and Lucas de Stall,
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  Speaker 2: the Anaheim Ducks goaltender, has not had a shutout at
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  Speaker 2: all this year, not in the regular season, not in
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs. With five seconds left, Jack Eichel throws a
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  Speaker 2: puck in gets redirected by Mark Stone and that is
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  Speaker 2: the one goal that the Las Vegas Knights scored in
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  Speaker 2: this game. Lucas do Stall was five seconds away from
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  Speaker 2: his first to use a soccer term clean sheet of
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  Speaker 2: the season, and it would have been the most impactful one,
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  Speaker 2: a second round playoff game, second round playoff series win,
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  Speaker 2: and instead he gives up one with five seconds left.
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  Speaker 3: Is that got it? You gotta think that's harder. That's
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  Speaker 3: that's hard to take, even though the main thing was
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  Speaker 3: you won the game.
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  Speaker 2: Right. He actually had a postgame he he was kind
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  Speaker 2: of laughing at himself about it. He was smiling with
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  Speaker 2: his teammates. I think they probably were just like, what
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  Speaker 2: the hell did? You were almost there? You know, It's
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  Speaker 2: like if I had some defense in front of me.
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  Speaker 2: It's like it's like giving up the no hitter on
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  Speaker 2: the last batter. Yeah, in a in like a nine
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  Speaker 2: to nothing game, you're just blowout game. Yeah, I almost
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  Speaker 2: got there, and then no one remembers it after that. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta buy you you gotta buy your catcher a
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  Speaker 2: Rolex if that no hitter happens. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: there's anything, if you get anything special from your team,
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  Speaker 2: if you're a hockey goaltender for blanking another team. He
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  Speaker 2: hasn't done it, literally in any performance this year, and
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  Speaker 2: he almost did it in the playoffs against Las Vegas
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  Speaker 2: and instead five seconds left, Jack Eichele and Mark Stones
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  Speaker 2: spoilt for everybody.
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  Speaker 3: And hopefully everyone enjoyed that via Sports USA on the
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  Speaker 3: on the station last night as well. We have we've
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  Speaker 3: had two the first two games of the of the
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  Speaker 3: Ducks Golden Knights series, so that seems to be the
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  Speaker 3: one they're favoring that they're feeding it feeding to us.
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  Speaker 2: I also encourage you, it's fun watching sports at home,
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  Speaker 2: but it's even better watching sports when you've got some
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  Speaker 2: like minded individuals, some sports fans around you, when you
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  Speaker 2: your playoff hockey down there. It now that it's not
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  Speaker 2: like a Utah Mammoth season anymore. The mammoth are already out.
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  Speaker 2: You're safe if you want to wear your Vegas night sweat,
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  Speaker 2: or you're safe if you want to wear your Anaheim
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  Speaker 2: heckle you, they're not gonna bother you. A good place
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  Speaker 2: to watch a game. Eh well, if you're a Canadians fan,
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  Speaker 2: you're probably like saying that in a French accent. That's true.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, I don't know, come on, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if I can. Let's go. Let's go.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see if I'll find some sound from Bear Torny.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that there you go, that's perfect.
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  Speaker 2: In other news around the sports world, and you're seeing this,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, maybe it's a slow news day thing. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: you're just we're a month ish away where what one
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  Speaker 2: month and three days away from the beginning of the
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  Speaker 2: World Cup here in North America. The the conversation around
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  Speaker 2: who this event is accessible to is one of the
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  Speaker 2: most interesting things that is coming out of it. The
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  Speaker 2: average soccer fan around the world. The reason, one of
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  Speaker 2: the many reasons why soccer is the most popular and
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  Speaker 2: powerful game in the world is because of it's what
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  Speaker 2: it's accessibility. How easy it is to just roll about
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  Speaker 2: the ball out there onto relatively level ground and kick
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  Speaker 2: it between a couple of cones or a couple of pylons.
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  Speaker 2: Or a couple of trash cans, or if you're lucky enough,
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  Speaker 2: through an actual goal.
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  Speaker 3: For me growing up, it was most of the parks
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  Speaker 3: in Saint George just had the metal posts, yep. And
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  Speaker 3: in the in the school yard had the metal post.
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  Speaker 3: There no net, no net, and so you're you're just
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  Speaker 3: kicking through through the posts. It felt really cool when
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  Speaker 3: you actually had a rec league game or something and
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  Speaker 3: you had the net on the back of you.
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  Speaker 2: This is real, it's real stuff. Yeah, right. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we're lucky to live in a very developed country with
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  Speaker 2: good infrastructure, where the parks are usually well maintained and
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  Speaker 2: kept up, and there's at least a goal standard that
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  Speaker 2: is often you know, at least at I mean at
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  Speaker 2: the elementary school, at the local park, there's almost always
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  Speaker 2: some kind of goal. Right. But you go, and I've
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  Speaker 2: been lucky enough to travel all over the world and
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  Speaker 2: like soccer is played under the most absurd of circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: That's not something you can say with basketball even, And
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  Speaker 2: I would say basketball is kind of like the second
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  Speaker 2: easiest thing. Yeah, you just you need a hoop and
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  Speaker 2: you need a ball. You could probably make an argument
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  Speaker 2: for baseball because you just have to have a stick
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  Speaker 2: and a ball and kind of have to have someone
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  Speaker 2: to throw to you. Though also that's because and I
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  Speaker 2: guess soccer, soccer and basketball you got have multiple participants.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you but if you're just you could
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  Speaker 2: just go out and kick a ball and and practice
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  Speaker 2: practice some kicks. You can practice shooting all by yourself.
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  Speaker 2: You can't ad a thing, yeah you can't. And like
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  Speaker 2: that with a lot of other sports. You know, Soccer's
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  Speaker 2: popularity is centered around the fact that you can be
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  Speaker 2: someone from and we've seen so many examples of it.
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  Speaker 2: You could be someone from the farthest reach of the
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  Speaker 2: poorest country and battle your way through an into international prominence.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't happen in American football. That doesn't happen. It
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  Speaker 2: started to happen now a little bit in basketball. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't happen in baseball. That's never gonna happen in hockey
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  Speaker 2: because the infrastructure, the equipment, all this stuff in hockey
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  Speaker 2: like it's it's it's a heavy lift to get it going.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm probably speaking out of turn here. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: there's some like Siberian Cat that is from Vostok on
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  Speaker 2: down and only played pond hockey growing up, and it's
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  Speaker 2: just like, what do you mean grassroots hock is a thing.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta got a trash? Can we just we tip over?
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  Speaker 3: And that's our goal.
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  Speaker 2: One thing that you'll find though, is that the disparity
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  Speaker 2: between the root of soccer and the top of soccer
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  Speaker 2: is so wildly dramatic, and it's highlighted more in World Cup,
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  Speaker 2: especially in North American World Cup than anywhere else. Johnny Infantino,
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  Speaker 2: who is the FIFA President, was like, hey man, the
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  Speaker 2: reason why these tickets are so expensive is because of
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  Speaker 2: you America. Because we're in America. This is the most
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  Speaker 2: developed sports audience and market that we have in the world.
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  Speaker 2: This is the most robust fan base and infrastructure for
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  Speaker 2: sports on planet Earth. And so yeah, of course the
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  Speaker 2: tickets are gonna be so expensive here. And I am
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  Speaker 2: not one who expects things to be cheap anymore. When
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  Speaker 2: you want high quality and you want something unique, and
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  Speaker 2: World Cup soccer is for most people, it's a once
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  Speaker 2: in a lifetime opportunity. Even in the United States, even
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  Speaker 2: if you're somebody who's got, you know, a modest to
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  Speaker 2: above average income, you're probably not attending multiple World Cup
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  Speaker 2: Soccer events in your lifetime, you're probably not flying to Italy,
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  Speaker 2: or flying to China, or flying to wherever the next
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  Speaker 2: ones are in order to make sure you check off
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  Speaker 2: that bucket list. So there's there's a certain amount of
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  Speaker 2: acceptance I have for the fact, like, look, you want
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  Speaker 2: to you want to be part of this thing, It's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a heavy lift, it's gonna cost you some money.
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  Speaker 2: The unapologetic nature with which FIFA is gouging the hell
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  Speaker 2: out of all of these prices. And we talked about
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  Speaker 2: some of it a little bit yesterday, like thank goodness
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  Speaker 2: for Arthur Blank in Atlanta and deciding that at least
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  Speaker 2: some concessions are going to be cheap here. While the
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  Speaker 2: New Jersey Transit system charges one hundred and fifty dollars
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  Speaker 2: for a round trip subway ticket instead of thirteen dollars
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  Speaker 2: for a round trip subway ticket. I see this article,
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching stuff, I'm preparing for the show last night.
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  Speaker 2: Kids are in bed, Mother's Day's coming up. My wife
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  Speaker 2: played college soccer, and I'm just like, man, we have
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity, like we have access to a condo in
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  Speaker 2: southern California that I'm like, I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be available during the World Cup. But maybe
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  Speaker 2: we could get a cheap stay. Maybe we could get
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  Speaker 2: a cheap flight, Maybe we get a cheap we could
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  Speaker 2: drive down whatever. Maybe I can be the hero and
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I could buy myself and my wife, but more importantly,
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  Speaker 2: my wife a great Mother's Day present that she'll be
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  Speaker 2: surprised by and get her a World Cup soccer ticket
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  Speaker 2: at the Sofi Stadium because that's the one that's easiest
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  Speaker 2: to get to and that's where we have a place
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  Speaker 2: to stay in all that kind of stuff. And I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: USA versus Panama. The get in price for that is
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  Speaker 2: over one thousand dollars for the worst seat in the stadium.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. But again it's a World Cup.
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  Speaker 3: Game, and it's it's timuus a game too. Those are
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  Speaker 3: going to be the most expensive in this world couch.
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  Speaker 2: So then I was like, I was like, okay, well
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  Speaker 2: what about if I get her a just random game
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  Speaker 2: and she can go see it just to say that
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  Speaker 2: she got to go to a World Cup soccer game.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, all right, let me just look at some
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: other ones that are on a weekend. So it would
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: make sense when I don't have pfl action and you know,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: like we could find a babysit or something like that,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: and even those they get a little bit more reasonable.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: But if you want to go see Bosnia Herzegovina versus Switzerland,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: you're still paying hundreds of hundreds of dollars to go
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: see that. And again, okay, fine, kind of maybe, but
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: when questions are asked about this, and the president of
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: FIFA is just like, guys, this is just what it is.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: You're complaining about the prices. Why are we selling so
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: many tickets? Set if it's too much. Oh and by
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the way, he finds and his PR team is really excellent.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: His PR team equips him with the lowest possible number.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: There's tickets available for one hundred and fifty dollars right now. No,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: there's not stop it. The worst seat obstructed view at
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: the Arlington Stadium for Qatar versus Thailand is like one
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: I know, the stars and those teams, Yeah, that's a
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: game to go to, absolutely, And we've been we've talked
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: about this off air and being tongue in cheek. There
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: any World Cup game if you're especially if you're a
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: big soccer fan, but even you're just a sports fan,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: that's a bucket list thing. I don't even care if
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: it if it's guitar versus Thailand. If if it's reasonable
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: for me to go money wise, you know, travel wise,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I would absolutely go.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: The FIFA does not control the secondary market, so you
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: can't be mad at FIFA over the secondary market anymore
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: than you can be mad at Taylor Swift for the
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: secondary ticket market or whatever. But there's a little caveat here.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: FIFA has the tickets available on their marketplace. We were
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: looking at before the show, James and I, we were
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: looking at some of the tickets for some of the games.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Big twelve Media Days happens to be the day after.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: There is a Round of sixteen knockout game at the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: stadium in Arlington. Take us to get into that one
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: right now or about a thousand bucks. That's a knockout
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: round game.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: You can go to the little Little Jerry World, from
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Little Jerry World to Big Jerry World or vice versas.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: For a knockout round. We don't know who's going to
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: be in that yet. Okay, now we're talking a little
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: bit more reasonable. By the way, those thousand dollar tickets
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: are not good tickets, but they're not terrible either. The
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: good tickets are fifty grand apiece on the actual FIFA marketplace.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Second, I am so anxious to see how high those
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: those tickets will get in the secondary market, because a
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: knockout stage game like those gotta be I would guess
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: they'll be way higher than fifty grand.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Somebody bought four of the best tickets, and we talked
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: about this like a month ago. Somebody bought four of
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the best tickets to the World Cup Final off of
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the official site right and has listed them on a
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: secondary marketplace for two point three million dollars each. So
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: for nine point two million dollars, you could take three
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: friends to the World Cup Final and sit front row.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Here's where here's my caveat, here's the little asterisks. Here's
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the thing that I think needs to be paid a
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: little bit of attention to when we're talking about accessibility.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And by the way, this problem extends to Utah Mammoth
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: hockey games. The Jazz games were pretty cheap to get
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: into this year for obvious reasons. Utah football, BYU football, hell,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Weber State football. You know what the worst thing is
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: right now, little league games. When's the last time you
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: tried to go watch a little league football game. It
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: used to be back in my day in nineteen nineties.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: You came down to Bear Park and you walked from
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the parking lot to the sideline and you watched your
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: kids play football. And if you wanted to, if you
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: were spoiled, little rich kids, you were allowed to go
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: over to the trailer, the snack trailer by your parents,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and they gave you a fiver and you could run
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: over there and you could grab yourself some skittles and
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: a hot chocolate on a cold day, or you get
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: a hot dog. Even if you were really really, like
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: if your family was loaded, you'd actually get your lunch there.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Right now, you try to go watch like ute conference
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: football games, these little seven on seven spring tournaments, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: they build fences around the entire park and you have
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: to pay an admission fee to go watch the kids play.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: It's the most insane thing I've ever seen. The accessibility
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to sport at its highest level is always going to
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: be expensive, and the World Cup is probably, well not probably,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: it is statistically audience wise, it is the most important
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: sporting event in the world. Every single year. It is
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the event Spence likes to.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: He's been bringing up the Gallup poll. I believe it
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: was Gallup that did it. That is talked about the
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: popularity of sport worldwide and in the United States four
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: billion with a bee people claim that soccer is their
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: favorite sport. Four billion, and like, I think it's three
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: to four hundred million that say American football is I
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: like just this comparison.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: First of all, I don't believe any of those polls.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: There's no way they talk to four billion people. They don't. Yeah,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: it's it's like extrapolate.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: It's the polling estimation that I that I don't completely
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: believe in either.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, two point three million dollars. The where FIFA still
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: looks like a bit of a villain here on the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: secondary market. They don't control prices on a resale platform,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: but you know what they do. They take thirty percent
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: of the resale price. It's in the fine print, so, okay,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: FIFA takes fifteen percent in a purchase fee from the buyer.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: So if you buy a ticket on the secondary market,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: fifteen percent whatever you're paying is going to FIFA.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Whatever the service fee is, that's going to FIFA, okay, and.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Fifteen percent resale fee from the seller. So thirty percent
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: fifteen from each end of that transaction goes to FIFA.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: So for FIFA, they actually want tickets to be resold.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: They want to sell them twice. Absolutely, they want to
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: get one hundred and thirty percent of the price of
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: a ticket. They want you to buy those front row
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: tickets for fifty thousand dollars or whatever it is, one
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars and then to list them for two
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: point three million dollars a piece, because then they're just like,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: wait a second, if they sell for that, I'm getting
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: my original bite at the apple and then the secondary
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: jacked up price. My thirty percent of that is actually
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: more than what we sold them for in the first place.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: So FIFA wants you. Yeah, that's I didn't know.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: That's got to be the way it is for all
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the sports events concerts.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that that was a thing with the reset.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you something, my girl, Marty.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, we our season tickets for the Mammoth Games with
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the remodel. There was its four seats together and in
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the first year Utah Hockey Club year, they were at
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the end of the row right after the remodel, there
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: was a random loose tooth of a seat. You had
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: a friend, a new friend every game. That's right, we
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: had seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty. That was the end of
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: the row in the past. Now there's a twenty one.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: So every single game there was just a one random
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: person sitting there. And for the first playoff game in
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the history of the Mammoth at the Delta Center, it
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: was Marty from Boise. Awesome lady, right. I was like, oh, hey,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: who are you? Tell me your story? Drove all the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: way down from Boise. She's like, yeah, you know, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: love hockey. We've got hockey up there, but we don't
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: have NHL hockey up there. I tried to get my
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: friends to come with me. Nobody wanted to pay the price.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: No one wants to pay the fees, and I was
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: just like, all right, how much did you pay for
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: this ticket? The lot because there's an extra jacked up
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: fee on both ends of the transaction. So the secondary
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: market is good for the seller, for the original seller,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: right the arena itself, for the World Cup four FIFA itself,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: and it's just bad for the consumer and these the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: accessibility of these things is becoming more and more and
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: more difficult, and so far almost inexplicably for me, it
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: has not eroded people's interest in sports. Sports. I mean
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: you can say it anecdotally. You can text me eight
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: seven seven three five to three zero seven hundred and
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: you could tell me, you know what I don't. I
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: don't do it anymore. And I could take your testimony
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: and I could say, yeah, sports are becoming less popular
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: because they're so expensive. This guy or this gal doesn't
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: do it anymore. But the numbers show me, the revenue,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the ticket sales, the ratings show me that we have
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: not yet priced out everybody. Yeah.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: You you turn on the TV. You see it's still
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: you see it's still a full stadium whatever you're watching. When,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: especially when it's playoff games or World cuple Olympic type
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: stuff like, yeah, that there's still you know, twenty to
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: one hundred thousand people, that it's not too expensive.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: For So mister Infantino, the head of the FIFA organization,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: made this point. We have twenty five percent of group
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: stage tickets which can be bought for less than three
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars. You cannot go to watch go in the
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: US to watch a college game, not even speaking about
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: a top professional game of a certain level for less
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: than three hundred dollars. And this is the World Cup.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Now he's talking about the bear bear bare minimum prices here,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: he's also talking about matchups that nobody wants to see.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: And right now you can go to NBA playoff games
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: and NHL playoff games for less than three hundred dollars.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Your seat's not going to be great, but you can
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: see all of them. There's I looked at it. Every
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: game that you can buy tickets on the secondary market.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Right now you can buy for less than three hundred
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: dollars in the Stanley Cup playoffs and in the NBA playoffs.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: So the World Cup again is more unique, more bucket list,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: more special. For lack of a better term, is three
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars, and really it's five. Is five hundred dollars
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: a reasonable price for you just to get in, to
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: say that you did it, to say to say you
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: check the box. Is it reasonable to ask fans from
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: every corner of the globe, Because then there's the hotel prices,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: there's the transportation prices, and by the way, hotels right
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: now are freaking out over the World Cup situation because
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: the demand for hotels is not as high as it
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: was anticipated to be and the low hanging fruit. The
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: obvious explanation that these hotels is there expressing their concern
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: is like, you know why people are not rushing to
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: book at the Marriott Arlington because you jacked up the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: price five.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Times and maybe just maybe because these cities you chose
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: have you know, millions of people. Maybe it's just locals
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: who are going to the gate they're like, because that's
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: why I said to you off air, if I was
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: living in Los Angeles area and it was the could
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: you mentioned, you know, tongue in cheek, we mentioned the
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Qatar Thailand game is one that why would you want
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: to see that?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Right? If that was If that's the cheapest game and.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I'm living in the LA area, I don't have to fly,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: I don't have to pay for hotel. I might fork
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: over five hundred bucks five six hundred bucks for that
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: game just to just to go.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: To World Cup game. I want to fancy guy. Yeah,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I wonder how many of the World Cup tickets are
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: locals like that? That's why the hotels aren't eating book
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: because well, we don't want to pay your prices. Also,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: if I look if I live in greater Dallas Fort
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Worth area right now, if I live in the greater
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: San Francisco Bay area right now, and I have any
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: kind of Airbnb setup, it's a very easy thing for
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: me right now to go and see what the average
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: hotel price is, to put my Airbnb on there for
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: thirty dollars a night less, and to have people book
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: that instead to save themselves a little bit of money.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, the economics of this World Cup are right now,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: unfortunately about a lot of exclusivity, and you don't like
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: to see it, but that's where we're at. We got
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: to get back into more important things, more relevant things,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: more salient things. NBA playoffs with our guy Gordy Chiasa. Also,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I gotta know the last time Gordy actually bought a
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: ticket to go to a sports game. Because when you're
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: alleged like Gordy, people are just they roll out the
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: red carpet, they say, Gordy got you. I mean, we're
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: gonna have to go back to probably the sixties. The
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: last time that Gordy had to pay for a ticket
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: we'll get there. It's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: you by Big Willie's ESPN seven hundred ninety one. He's out.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Let's not get crazy.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Come for the.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Hoops talk, stay for his list of the day my
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: list today.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Here's oc with basketball savon Gordy Chiasa on the Sean
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: O'Connell Show.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Let's get into it with our guy, Gordy chias A,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: resident kuru and experts of all things NBA basketball. Gordy,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: welcome to the show. How are you, Joan, I'm doing well?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you? All right? You heard me asking the question
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: in a rhetorical manner. Now that you're actually here, Gordy Chiasa,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: the living legend at least low what's the last time
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: you had to buy a sports ticket?
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: It's been a while, you know. I'm blessed as it
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: should be, as it's been a while. No, I'm blessed
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: and I'm grateful truly. Again, we work in industry a
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: different brotherhood and sisterhood, and it's all part of it.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: That's why I feel bad for the fans, you know,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: where they pay unbelie of prices and the players showing
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: don't play hard, or they're injured or they're sitting out.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I feel awful. I mean that sincerely. That I'm a
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: fan at heart, and that's what makes it so troublesome
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: about the quote this tanking you mentioned for about the
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: World Soccer Championships this summer in July around the country,
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: and obviously I'm a native of New York and New Jersey.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Itight and the Meadowlands is a huge part of this
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: right now. And I can't tell many people in there
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: that are soccer fans that are outraged about the prices
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: and just the logistics of getting from midtown Manhattan going
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: through the Line Tunnel or to Joe Washington Bridge or
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: to Holland Tunnel to go to the Meatlands to play.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: It's not really fan friendly as far as the travel
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: And I know, I know that people far smarter than
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: me are figuring out like the economic formulas for thresholds
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: on prices, and hey, we can keep we can keep
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: increasing that season ticket package five percent every year until
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: a certain point, and then that person's going to cancel,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: but we know somebody else is gonna pick it up.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I would have thought, Gordy, because I'm a resident chief
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: skate here, I would have thought, I mean, years and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: years ago, we had jumped the shark. We had gotten
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: to a point where people were just like, I'm not
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: paying that to watch football, especially now that at home
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: on television. The experience is so great, but the demand
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: does not seem to diminish, even as the prices, I mean,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: we're compared to what it was in the nineties when
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I was a kid and we were going to games.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: It's not twice as expensive to go to games. Now,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: it's ten times more expensive than it was then. And
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: it feels like it's not sustainable if it keeps going
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: that way. Yet it is. It's exactly that. It is sustainable.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: How Why Because there's enough people around that have high wealth.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: But the problem is, Sean is the younger people. That's
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: where every the NBA and the NFL, major League baseball, soccer,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: they're trying to hockey, they're trying to attract the younger people.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: That's the next generation of ticket buying that's why they
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: watch games now on streaming because it's much cheaper than
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: going to the game, so they have to figure out
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: how to get them to go to it. Showing the
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: NFL is the perfect scenario though there's only x amount
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: of home games, and so every home game shown in
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: the NFL, it is happening. It's values whether you're tailgating
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: or whether you're going with generational family. You know where
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: your great your grandfather goes, you go, your your son goes,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: your daughter goes, your next do nator goes with you.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: There's nothing like it. So the NFL apuly. That's why
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: it rules. Plus the games are rageous.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Two. All right, let's get into these NBA playoffs as
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: we're seeing them play out. I think when you first
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: walked in and started, you know, plugging things in with James,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I was talking about the New York Knicks. They they're
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: up to to oh now in the series against Philadelphia,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia without Joel Mbiid last night, they only went three
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: guys deep in the bench, did Philadelphia. So not a
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: lot of not a lot of depth or at least
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: not a lot of trust in the depth with this
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: series against New York. But it feels like, Gordie, the
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Knicks are on a roll right now and that Philadelphia's
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: they got to figure something out if they're gonna put
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: up any level of resistance.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, very much. But with that said, though, that was
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: a hard four game. Do you realize about the game
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: was a one o eight one oh two victory. There
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: were twenty five lead changes during the game. That was
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: the most in the NBA in eleven years since Yeah,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: since the Spurs and Clippers. So it was a winnable game.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: The problem was in the fourth quarter I called a
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: frozen thunder, a frozen chili shooting by the seventy sixers.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: They go four for nineteen from the field, one for
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: ten from threes. They only scored twelve points in the
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: fourth quarter. Knicks only scored nineteen points. So that game
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: was a back and forth battle scurmage, and the Knicks
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: were able to hold him off. I'm well concerned right
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: now about oj and and Obi, who pulled up blame
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: during the end of the game. Right now, he's been
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: spectacular for the Knicks, So we'll see right now if
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: he's gonna play in Game three shown in the City
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: of Brotherly Love. We know all about that one in
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Philadelphia on Friday night, So it was a hard fourth game.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: The Knicks were able to hang in there, led by
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Jellen Brunts in that fourth quarter, he made some great
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: baskets for them. Calls any towns who's in foul trouble.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: The whole game only played twenty seven minutes, but he
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: was productive twenty points, ten boards, and seven assists, and
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: that they're able to knock out all right for the
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: sixties point of view, no Joel embiid multiple injuries right
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: ankle sprain and a right hip soreness, where in game
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: one he played twenty five minutes and he was a factor.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: In Game two did not play.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: The question is always right now, will he play tomorrow
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: night in Philadelphia? No one knows right now. Right now,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: they're listening him as far as probable. We'll see, Sean.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Now it turns around for the seventy six is if
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: they can win with more bench production of being productive
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: and can terse Max and those guys and Paul George
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: shoot better in the fourth quarter than knock the Knicks out.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Mainstinks telling me, Sean, they're gonna do it?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: You think so? Yeah? I do? Yeah. Two one, we should.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, be two to one and then then
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: reset from there. Nicks are playing good though they're absolutely
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Jalen Brunson is is really a star player, especially seeing
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: playoff games. Here's the question, philosophically and situationally, can you,
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: as a basketball player score through physicality? That's what it
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: comes down to. If you're a finest shooter regular season
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: as well and commendable, but in the playoff games, the
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: game is always gritty and people are in your body
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: the whole game. So again, can I score as a
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: player against velocity and physicality? And most guys can't, some
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: players can. I just describe Gellen Brunson and Stefan Castle
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: of the Spurs also both of them.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: We'll get to the Spurs here in just a second.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: For the Knicks, this game brought you back down to
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: earth a little bit after three in a row where
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: they were just demolishing first the Hawks and then the
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: seventy six ers. And you know, the dynamic of a
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: more realistic win like this one, and as you said,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: a more hard fought win like this one, how does
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: it change you know, your conversation in the locker room.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: The film study the practices, the shoot arounds, et cetera.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: When it's like, all right, we're back in a series
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: with someone who's gonna fight us out, Yeah, very much.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: What happens is that both teams have a sort of
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: rallying cry where the nick next to saying, okay, we're
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: two to zero and now it's going to get hard.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: At each game.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: We've got to be more efficient offensively and be more
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: uh tenacious defensive defensively to be able to knock out
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: the seventy sixes. From the seventy six point of view,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: it's it's very similar, but they have to be more
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: efficient and get more bench play, and so both coaches
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: staffs are trying to angle the mental part of it
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: of what they need to do to win. And also
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: the NBA playoffs is the first and fourth quarter league.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Is that if you jump out early in the game,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: that that sets the tempo of how you want to
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: play and in the fourth quarter when the opposition has
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: that usually a rally in the fourth quarter. Can you
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: can you keep yourself with about it, value the ball
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: and the possession and be able to score again mentioned again,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: uh through physicality? Can I do that to hold off? Also,
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: another factor is that in the fourth quarter of a
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: playoff game, it's a make a mislead from the foul line.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: And that's absolutely critical of making foul shots in the
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: last five minutes of a playoff game where you don't
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: want to go zero for the possession where you got
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: to the foul line, you go zero for two and
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: that possession now is wasted. So there's so much of
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: the mental and physical part. And by the way, the
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: partners during the game.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Seventy from the stripe for Philadelphia last night, to drive
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: that point home.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeapsolutely good enough. No, that's right, not good enough. No,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: it's not good enough. And that's why that's why it's
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: so important to be Remember they caught free throws because
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: it's a free shot from fifteen feet. But it's a
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: thing called pressure, and it's nothing like playoff pressure where
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: you've got to be able to shoot forward not backwards.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Show and you never see a guy play even in
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: a pickup game, is that the guy misses a shot
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: and he runs down the court and starts using his
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: hand like this, he's waving at the shot that was
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: twenty five seconds later.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Is that you, sean, it's not me Gordy, because first
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: of all, my release is more of just kind of
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: like a shot put situation, you know, versus all I
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: flick the wrist.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I was laughing, laugh, and I laugh,
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: and I'm sad, saddened by you when I see somebody
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: run down the court after miss they open three and
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: it practices form the thing down the court, which tells
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: us that he's playing backwards not forward.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna stay on clock here, which I
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: never do. We're gonna take a break, We're gonna come back.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what the Hot Lunch is today.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: And more importantly, Gordy and I are gonna get into
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Game two of the Minnesota San Antonio series, a major
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: reversal of what happened in Game one. GORDI will tell
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: us how the San Antonio Spurs bounce back the way
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: that they did. That's next on the Sean O'Connell Show,
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  Speaker 1: You were tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdocks,
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  Speaker 2: Big Willies seventeen seventeen, South Maine, a blackened surloin steak
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  Speaker 2: topped with mushroom sauce, red potatoes and green beans on
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  Speaker 2: the side. I'm not a green bean guy. That's the
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: hot lunch special. I would just double my red potatoes
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and you can keep the green beans, or I'd scrape
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: them off onto a plate for Gordy to have, or
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: something like that. Black and sirloin steak, mushroom sauce, red potatoes.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: And I say this begrudgingly because I know that the
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: chefs they do a good job down there Big Willies,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: But green beans are just not my thing. Okay, not
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: you like those, Gordon.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: I love green beans. I love them, heel Patrick. Next
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: time I comes here, forget about the burgers, just give
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: me the green beans.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Wow. That's it's appalling to hear that from a man
• 45:00
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• 45:25
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  Speaker 2: you that as well. All Right. The hot lunch topic
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I want to get to here, Gordy, is the San
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Antonio Spurs bouncing back after losing a close game one
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards fought into the lineup for the Minnesota Timberwolves
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: helps carry that team to victory. San Antonio looks a
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: little out of sorts offensively, And I was saying it earlier.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: If Victor Webber Yama goes off for forty points and
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: beats you that way, you're probably still not liking it
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: in Minnesota. But be you're like, all right, well, they
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: got a guy that we just can't handle. That's not
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: what happened in this game. It was a team effort
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: for the Spurs. Seven guys in double digits, all up
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: and down, getting the job done against Minnesota. How did
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: it happen, Gordon? It happened now.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Defensively, that was the first thing, is that the activity
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: level of the Spurs to start the game and throughout
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: the battle was absolutely phenomenal. Meaning this the Spurs have
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: thirteen steals and nine block shots, so we called that
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: to the equals twenty two. So the twenty two chances
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: where they had defensively they won the possession. As far
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: as the turnover possession, the Wolves only had nine. So
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: it shows you that how twenty two to nine that
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: was differential, and that shows you the activity level of
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: what they did as far as mentally and physically. Add
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: to that, the Tea Wolves had I called ice colt
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Igloo shooting where a shot of the game forty from
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: three point range thirty percent and showing here's the kicker
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: about everything about three throws they shot from the foul line.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: NBA players as a unit fifty two percent from the
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: foul line sixteen for thirty one. So you have no
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: chance of remotely winning a road game because you're not
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: shooting straight and defensively, the opposition is getting after you
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: and you're not responding. Rudy Gobert, who we all really
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: enjoy watching him play, he had a very marginal game
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: against Victor wen beyonmber and against the whole team. He
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: only gets five points, ten rebounds and no blocks. And
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: here's the kicker about it. Also, they answered it the
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: free throw line, he goes three for nine. So victor
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Wen Beyonmber, the young superstar player at age twenty two,
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: nineteen points, fifteen rebounds and two blocks, and he just
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: part of the group. He wasn't special as far as
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: his standards, but he really helped his team as far
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: as neutralizing Rudy Gobert and everybody in the lane. See
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: with Victor Wen Beyonmber, is not the question how many
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: blocks he gets, it's how many white he alters as
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: far as not getting in there sure and people quick shoot.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: So with a team effort showing the Antonys as far
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: as the quickness place is that the Spurs outscored the
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: two Wolves twenty seven to five and fast break points.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: So let's say the Spurs are ready to roll and
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: the two Wolves were. We're living on their first game victory.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: So when when you have a defensive specialist like Rudy
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Gobert who doesn't have a great defensive game, what's the conversation, like,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: what's the coaching like after that? Because his role is
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: very clearly defined in a way that like a victor win,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Binyama's is not because victor win Binyama can have like
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: he did the other night. He could have an eleven
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: point offensive performance, but give you a dozen blocks and
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: you're like, all right, well it wasn't perfect that it
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: was in the loss, but you contributed to what we
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: were doing here. When Rudy Gobert has a game like that,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: what do you tell him? What do you say to him? Well,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: we sit him right now.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: A lot of it's positioning where he has to be
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: much more alert to gain position and get the angle
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: to be able to defend, whether it's a switch defense
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: or with Ricktoran beyonda as far as playing close out.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: But part of the reason why the Tea Wolves are
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: so behind was Julius s Randell and Jade McDaniels, who've
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: been really been playing well the whole postseason, and in
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: particular Game one, those guys were not there. And also
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: to naj Reed, Michael Conley was overwhelmed as far as
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: physicality by the Spurs, as far as far as coming
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: out and off the dribble. He couldn't ball contain. It
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: was the whole effort by everybody. So this, if you're
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: the Tea Wolves, you've got to go back and get
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: early position, defensively, build a wall. And as always, how
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: can I be physical with still sound technique? That's any
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: sports sean. How can we be physical and still be
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: able to keep within ourselves our technique base? And that's
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: what it comes down to. And last night the Tea Wolves,
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: they fell apart both defensively. Usually speaking, when you play
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: good defense shown in any game, the ball finds you offensively.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: When you don't play good defense, ever, hardly ever finds
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: you at all and less now is a class example.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: So for Minnesota, even though last night was I mean
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: it was a blowout, you don't ever want to get
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: blown out. You certainly don't want to get blown out
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: in playoff basketball, but you do come away from San
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Antonio with a split, which is a win of sorts, right,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, the home court advantage is not as much
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: of a factor anymore. So how do you compartmentalize? Is
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: it game by game? Is it the first two games,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: let's try to split these, Now let's go defend home
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: court for the next two How is that handled?
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: See, the mental part is so much part of reason
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: why teams win. So how do you handle it? Is
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: that you've got to have the mentality and jazz basketball
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: and yesteryear we used to always talk about.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Where the underdogs.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: We are the underdogs, even if you have to zero
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: in a playoffs a series, is that we're the underdogs
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: and keep hitting it home as far as the players,
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: where you talk about it is that which means that
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: when you're underdogs mentality, you've got to both individually and
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: collectively be ready to play from the start of the
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: jump ball. And that's how you handle it. And last
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: night that the Tea Wolves didn't now now flip the
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: switch now, so now tomorrow night in the Twin Cities,
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: The mentality.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: If I'm coaching the Tea Wolves, I'm saying that we're
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: the underdogs in this game, that we can't take for granted.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: Where in other words, often in playoff games with the
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: home team, you think the home fans are gonna gener
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: rate enough intensity for you, And the answer is it's
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: not their job. Their job for the for fans showing
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: right now is go buy six hot dogs and four beers.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: That's their job. Their job isn't to help you play defense.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: And I say this all the time, is that also
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: when the foul line, when you go to the foul line.
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: Is that the fans want you to want you to miss.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: You're to visiting team. You go to foul line, the
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: fans are screaming in the second half of the game
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: to miss both both free throws so they get free
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: free chicken. Sean, I used to tell you guys all the time,
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: forget about getting free chicken. It's their job for the
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: fans to buy free chickens. Your job is to make
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: both foul shots. So Sean, never let somebody let you
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: have free chicken on you. Rudy go bear word three
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: three for nine.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Don't don't let a fan base get a free chicken
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: sandwich off for you.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Sean, I'm exaggerating, I'm kidding you, but I'm not. No,
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: I'm truly I'm not get your own freaking chicken.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: That's that's right.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: I told the Brian Russell all the time. I'm making
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: light of it. Yeah, years late, I get it, but
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: I said Brian Russell all the time. That's things like that.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: See the mental part. As far as get guys ready
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: to play, Brian Russell is guarding Michael Jordan, you know,
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: the greatest player of all time, getting ready to play mentally,
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: but not over talking.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: It's showing those catch words you use, Gordy, who did
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: you do? Who? Who did you do the best job
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: of getting the most out of it and getting into
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: the right frame of mind mentally right, Because I'm sure
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: there's guys that you coached that you didn't have to
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: do much. They were just there, they were ready, right,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure there were guys that were absolute head cases.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: But maybe maybe the Gordy chias isms weren't what they needed.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe somebody else was better at Who was Gordy the
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: the whisperer for which player or players did you have
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: the best rapport with in that way?
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: Andrea Carolinko, Yeah, Carolinko, he's so hyper. The way he
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: played is that I try to calm him down offensively,
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: So Carol Linko. He running and jumped both Verdaiclan horizontally
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: when the best players on an ear in the NBA
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: as far as up in the air and whip moving
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: his feet. Matt Harpring innately aggressive, sure, innately, Howard Eisley
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: innately not aggressive.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: You had to coach him up.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: You get him ready to play mentally to be aggressive
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: in playoff games.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Those guys took your your coaching well or even better
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: than most people did. Yeah.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: I like to think that. Yeah, and they call him alone.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: He's such a force of nature. Is that you when
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: you talk to call just be normal because he's going
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: to be ready to roll from the beginning. And then
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: John stocked In guys like that, Jeff Horner Sack. Those
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: guys are ready on their own. It didn't matter what
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: anybody said to them. They had enough experience and also
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: enough of talent and willpower. But Sean, it's the other guys.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: He's like coaching Tom Brady. I imagine all right, where
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: he's ready to play himself. You might validate what he's
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: saying to you. As the coach, you validate what he's
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: saying to you. But you have to get the other
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: guys to be with Tom Brady type people, John Stockton
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: type people, Lebron James type people. How they play the game,
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: to be ready, to be alert, to catch the ball,
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: to play in rhythm and in sync with the star players.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: It's a skill, Sewan, seeing playoff basketball phenomena happens as
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: a player and as an organization. You either get exposure
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: or you get exposed. How about in the NFL, well,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: same thing, right, absolutely.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Greg Popovich reportedly joined the film session for the sant
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Anto Spurs between Games one and two, and of course
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: you don't have a recording of that. You don't know
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: if Greg Popovich sat there silently or if he was
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: active and you know, rewinding and had the laser pointer
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: and was doing that. But it is such a unique
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: situation there in San Antonio, and his status in NBA
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: coaching circles and obviously with the Spurs is so unique.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: And just what do you hear about and what do
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: you think about? You know, something like that, like a
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Greg Popovich dropping in and imparting his knowledge on these
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: young guys.
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  Speaker 4: Street Craig, He's got it. Absolutely, He's still involved as
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: far as decision making. He's the team president. Let's remind everybody.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Great coach the San Antoni Spurs for twenty nine seasons.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: Jerry Stone coached the Jazz for twenty three, so Greg
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: Pavich the longest ever as far as coaching tenure. He
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: won one thousand, twenty two games. He coached Victor Wenba
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: but in the beginning of his career before he resigned
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: in season all Right, Great Poprich won five championships to
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: Spurs in a fifteen year window from nineteen ninety nine
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  Speaker 4: to twenty fourteen. So he has street cred in that
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: film session. And whether he said only five sentences or
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: we said five paragraphs, it's irrelevant, is that when he
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: said to the players about things, what's happening during the game,
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: you might think about this idea about playing defense or
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: going to the offensive glass. The players are absolutely listening
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: because they want to win. In great Popovich, he understands
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: this about playoff basketball. So I have no problem with it.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: I encourage it.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: All right. That's the hot lunch brought to you by
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Big Willies. It is a steak today. Swing on over there.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Tell Emose sents. You get the black and sirloin steak
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: topped with the mushroom sauce, red potatoes and green beans
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: on the side. Tell him extra green beans for Gordy
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Chia's sake. Gordy gets to hang out. We got him
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: for another half hour so and look, we got to
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: get to it. This is the last time we're gonna
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: have Gordy on before the upcoming NBA Draft lottery. We
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: know what the Utah Jazz chances look like. We know
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: what the hope is. But we'll drill down on some
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: of that with Gordy plenty left to talk about. He's
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: got his list as well. It's the Sean O'Connell Show
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: on ESPN seven hundred and ninety TWOEFM.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: As you were listening to The Sean O'Connell Show from
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: two to one a half am, all.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Right, we're gonna talk a little that be a draft
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: lottery with Gordy, but concurrent with the timing of the
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: draft lottery is also something that does not get the
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: same sort of recognition, the same sort of television time
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: as its counterpart in the NFL circles. But the NBA,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: the NBA scouting combine is obviously a valuable place for
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: player personnel, for teams, for general managers, for coaches to
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: get a sense of how they want to use the
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: draft capital that they get sorted out with the draft lottery.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: So we'll get to all of it. I want to
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: start with the combine though, Gordy, because you know, it
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: is not quite the television event that the NFL is
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: one is is it less important? Or just less recognized.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: You're less recognized, but it's absolutely critical. And this year,
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: like unlike the NFL is always in Indianapolis, it's always
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: in Chicago for the NBA, and just simply they invite
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: seventy three players to go there, and you have to
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: be there to be algebra the draft, with the only
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: exception being that some personal matter got the bid as
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: far as a death in the family or other tragic things,
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: that's the only exception. So all the guys are going
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: to be draft. They have to be there and take
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: the physical and that's what makes it so different than yesteryear,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: where some of the guys wouldn't even go there, and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: that the NBA said enough is enough, so quickly about it.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: Here's some of the things that they're gonna They're gonna
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: called the measurements where they're gonna test for body fat, weight,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: hand length, handwidth, and inches height with no shoes standing, reach, wingspan,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: and then with that on the court, there'll be vertical jumping,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: both standstill meaning what no step and maxim vertical jump,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: the shuttle run which means side wits, the quick burst
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: as far as four we agility test, and then the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: pro lane drill. Then add to that will be multitude
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: of shooting drills. So besides the so it gives an
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: indicator of the metrics from a coaching standpoint, because you
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: coach during the season, you never see these guys play
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: ever live because you're coaching your own team. The scouts
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: and personal people they see these guys play all the time.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: So the coaches are the first time they see someone
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: actually be called kick the tires. Now, that's all part
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: of it. In the morning sessions, at the night sections,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: they actually play the game. Some of the top players
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: do not play in the games. They don't, but most
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: of the guys do because hey, i think I'm better
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: than the guy that's going to be the eighth pick
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: of the draft. I'm projective right now at number thirty seven.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: I'm better in this jump right now, and they want
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: to play in the game to go against them, and
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: it's really eye opening. I'm all for it. I've been
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: to it literally for decades, and it tells the story.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: Also showing the less part about that interviewing. So a
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: lot of times for the top players, they will go
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: to the team's suite in the hotel and neither ownership
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: and high management will talk to the player as far
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: as interviewing them, and so it's rather intense and it
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: gives everybody a chance to equal footing.
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  Speaker 2: The uh. The agility drills, the physical drills. You got
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: bench press, you've got the three quarter court sprint. Bench
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: press one is hilarious for me because I know it's
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: to determine upper body strength. Upper Body strength is at
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: less of a premium obviously in the NBA as it
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: is in like a contact sport and the numbers. UH.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: In the NFL, guys go and they train specifically for
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: the combine. Right, they've got their football season, they put
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: the football, the bowl game's over, and then they get
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: some coach, they get some personal trainer and they say,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: all right, now, all I'm gonna do for the next
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: several weeks is increase my bench press, my vertical jump,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: my broad jump, my short shuttle, my forty yard dash.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Do NBA prospects do this? No, No, it's a different mentality.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: You might.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: It's not the same, uh, because they played the game.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: In other words, they're going to improve themselves. As far
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: as some of the really shooting drills, Yeah, because that's
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: more it's more skill orientated. But you are who you
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: are as far as uh me. But also a lot
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: of these kids their season just ended literally less than
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: a month ago with some of the top players, meaning
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: in March madness.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Sure, and so it's a different mentality. So, by the way,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: the bench press numbers for NBA players are hilariously bad.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, And for football players sometimes it's just like,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this guy fifty reps on of two
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: twenty five. In the NBA they do one to eighty five, right,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: But yes, it's just it. It's there's debatable if the
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: bench press should even be part of the NFL scouting combine.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: What value does it really have at the NBA? One
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: very little value. So here's the point about that. When
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: Kevin Durant when he was coming out in the draft,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: he couldn't bench one eighty five.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, right, And so people.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: Were saying, this guy can't even bench one eighty five
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: and used to pick a high draft and Rick Bond said,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: his coach said at Texas at that time, said guess
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: watch Fellas, I'm positive he can play. Yeah, And he
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: was right. So that he's the classic example of Kevin Durant.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: If you went by owning the metrics and the measurement
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: that he was weak physically and that probably he'd be
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: less a player. That is absolutely delusional, because Kevin Durant
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: became one of the greatest players of all time, generational talent,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: and he's heading to the Hall of Fame. In the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: first ballot, He's gonn finished probably in the top seven
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: scores of all time.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Gordy Chase is our guest here for another few minutes.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: So as teams are attending this NBA scouting combine, they're
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: trying to get a sense of who these players are.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: And we've got a deep draft right at the top.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: We've talked about the players that are being considered for
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: that number one overall pick kind of one through three,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: and then there's maybe a slight gap, but then some
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: pretty robust levels of talent from four through eight and
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: even beyond in some people's opinions. But of course we
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: don't know who's picking where until after Sunday, the NBA
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Draft Lottery taking place on Mother's Day, of course, because
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: that's what your moms want you doing. Your moms want
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: you staring at your phone and trying to figure out
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: where your your favorite teams picking in the upcoming NBA draft,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: What is the I mean, each person has their own mindset,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: but what is right now the franchise cultural mindset for
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz with this draft lottery approaching.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: Poise under pressure right now where everybody knows that it's
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: based to Sewan on the man upstairs, the Holy Grail
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: that he's in the determined about those lottery of balls.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: As far as what happens the Jazz do for some
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: good breaks, hopefully they really are, because uh, they haven't
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: got it in a long time. So let's hope that
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: the imagine the jests shown for some active of goodness
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: by the Lord is that they pick number one, meaning
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: AJ and then the world changes dramatically. But with that said, though,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: there's also other players. Here's the first four guys. You
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: can debate these guys, Uh, Agent number one by far,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: I mean that so far by far? Yeah, yeah, by
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: fall Yeah, very good. That guy, I think the Banser.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: He he can score the ball, he can create his
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: own shot, he knows how to play, he tries to
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: play defense, and just generally speaking, he plays hard all
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: the time.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Also, by the way, he has knockout talent. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: that helps. It helps.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: So at the top of the draft, talent does prevail.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: Now here's the great debate. Darren Peterson knockdown shoot, unbelievable
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: god talent, eleven games this year, Sean with lake injuries cramps. So, Sean,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: it sounds so simple. Let's go old school. When you
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: and I have a lake cramp, based on training, we
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: do two things. Either drink out of a jar pickle juice,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: have more bananas.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Eat a banana, have some pickle juice, right, some electrolytes
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: that can help you.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, So just keep it simple. So that's the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: problem with Darren Peterson. This eleven games. Cam Boozer tremendous
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: all around player. I love his game. He's NBA ready,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: he can rebound, shoot threes, he passed the ball, knows
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: how to play. Caleb Wilson Sean knock out talent. Yikes,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: this guy can fly. He reminds you so much defensively
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: of Carolinko. Defensively the words vertically and horizontally. And he
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: plays like Sean. Kevin Garnett's plans like at age nineteen.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: Now you got hurt. He broke his wrist back on
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: February fifth, so he didn't play in the ACC tournament
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: and then then and then his team got knocked out.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Show you get a Kevin Garnett type player, I know,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: not a clone of Kevin Garnet. You could get a
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Kevin Garnet type player. I'm going I'm going with that
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: at two, if I've got the opportunity.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: That's the great debate, Sean, Sean, That's That's where I'm
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: going at That's a debate.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Four, because with Darren Peterson, we talked about him all
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: year long, right, Yes, kind of a confusing and and
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: by the way, I have to state because there's always,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: for me, there's always this assumption that, like what you
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: have been is what you're going to be. So if
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: you're unavailable a bunch in your college career, that might
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: also be the case in your NBA career. That's not
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: necessarily guaranteed. You could get lucky, you could be healthier, right.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Steph Curry famously was very unhealthy early in his career
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: and then figured it out later on, And obviously that
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: was do a great benefit for the Golden State Warriors.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Looking at Darren Peterson specifically, and I was drawing an
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: analogy with what Joel Embiid is right now, right nobody
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: debates the ceiling of Darren Peterson. Everyone's just like, oh
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: my gosh, this kid could be a world beater. And
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: everyone knows that's true of Joel embi Joel Embiid has
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: played in forty seven or he's missed forty seven percent
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: of his career games. He's missing playoff games right now.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: And if you're holding on to a pick at one,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: at two, at four, at seven, wherever it is, would
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: you rather have a guy that you project to be
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: maybe a one or two time All Star, but you
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: know he's going to be there, or at least you
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: think you know he's always going to be there, he's
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: always available, Or are you taking the swing and potentially
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: the miss on somebody who's available half of the time.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: It seems like in these sports, our favorite sports, the
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: front office is always chasing that elite talent and willing
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: to take on the risk of you know what, he
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: might have injury problems. He might be a guy that
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: misses half of his career games, which means I'm wasting
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: half of his contract money and all this like salary
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: cap games that I have to play because of that.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just accepting it. I'm putting Gordy Chiasa in charge.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Do you want Joel Embiid or do you want Dendy
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Avdya was the guy that James brought up yesterday, like
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be there, and maybe he's a borderline all
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: star type player. He's not Joel Embiid, but he's a
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: lot more consistent. Which one do you want the guy
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: more consistent? All right?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a team sport and you can build around
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: him even though talent prevails. The guys you mentioned and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: other guys in his trip, they have talent also, not
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: a question of that the other guy is a talent voided.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: It's not true, but some players have even more talent.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: But if you're not bressed up to play in the game,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: you negate your talent level. And that's why it's so important.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: As far as being what reliable? Again, I think I
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: keep thinking about it. Yesterdyear, John Stockton and call Malone Sewing.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: Those guys answered the bell all always the time, all
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: the time, even when they were hurt.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Remember a call alone.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: I was told a story about Carl Is that member
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: so many games didn't play in his career because fighting suspended.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: So it's the most amazing thing. Stockton played in nineteen
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: years seventeen times, he played all eighty two games. Yeah,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: it's it's unheard of. Well, that's CKL Bridges right now
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: of nicobockers Hes he got to reckon. He's played right
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: now six hundred and thirty eight straight games. The kel
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: Bridges of the nicobocas good for you.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Especially because it's so at such an outlier in today's
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: ear of NBA basketball. There's a lot of guys who
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: are voluntarily not playing in games. There are plenty of
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: guys who are out of an abundance of caution with
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: injuries not playing games. For Bridges to be I mean,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: what's the math on that six hundred and eighty something.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's you're approaching ten seasons of basketball without
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: missing a game. It's pretty awesome, very absolutely, very much. Sean.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: Let's keep it simple here. You're an athlete, don't you
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: want to play always?
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm simplifying this narrative. Yeah, it's one thing
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: that when you're like in team sports, I ended up
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: being at very very very best at the higher levels
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: of a small, small role player, right, and one of
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: the things that was always frustrating to see was guys
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: who you knew were a lot more talented than you,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: who you knew were bigger, stronger, faster than you, who
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: wouldn't stay healthy, couldn't stay healthy, whatever. Just like man,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: that talent is wasted on someone who is not making
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: every possible sacrifice to be on the field, to be
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: on the floor. And that's something that in the NBA
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: it feels like. And maybe the pendulum is swinging back
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: a little bit with some of the rules put in
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: place by the league office, but it has felt in
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: more recent years that the culture of the NBA, correct
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. Back in the nineties, John and
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Carl were great examples of it, but everyone was trying
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: to be that way. Everyone was trying to be that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: durable and trying to play through everything. In more recent years,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: the culture of the NBA is protect your money, protect
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: your body, protect protect your longevity, And there was very
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: little attention paid to the team dynamic of that. Is
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: that fair to say? Very much? Well said?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: The team dynamic is called what chemistry? Sure, I can't
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: explain chemistry until you don't have it in the locker room,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: and it's absolutely critical in a team sport. So again
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: it here's a question philosophically. We see all the time,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: how can a player who has tremendous talent, how can
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: I showcase my own individual talent within the team game?
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: And when I do that, I uplift my teammates and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: they play better because of my special skills. And more importantly,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: how I perceive my teammates. My teammates are my floormates,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: and that's I want to bring the best out of
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: them because they need some help and I'm gonna I'm
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: gonna assist them to be the best they can. I
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: just ascribed to the ultimate Lebron James. He's the He's
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: the present tense Magic Johnson and Yesteryear, Larry Bird Yesteryear.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: So Magic is the guy right now that can do it.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: Nikolai Jokic also is that discussion. We bring the best
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: out of his players, But he needs more, needs more
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: as far as actually more talent. So but Lebron is
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: the guy. Lebron has made Austin Reeves into what a
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: very good player.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Do you have a list today, Gordon, yes, my list.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: Today we talked about the lottery, about players being picked high.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: The world's gonna change this list today, Sewan. These guys
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: like you and I often are never invited to the party, Sean,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: So we never got invited to the party. You and
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: I are like d listers, Yeah, very much, especially to myself.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: All right, So these guys were never invited to the
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: draft party. Undrafted players performing and contributing a valuable role
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: on this year's playoff teams. So I listed fifteen guys
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: that have played in the playoffs in twenty twenty six
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: that were never invited to the draft party. Then I'm
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: gonna list a few guys later on, as far as
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: in jazz basketball at number fifteen contribute to the team.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: Jamal Kine from the Magic, number fourteen from the Cavaliers,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: Kean Ellis number thirteen from the Thunder, Kendrick Williams number
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: twelve from the Suns, former jazz man Royce O'Neill from
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: the Eleven, number eleven from the Pistons, Dennis Jenkins from
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: the Spurs who scored four fourteen points last night. Undrafted
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: Julian Champenny number nine from the Celtics, Sam Hauser number eight,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: Jose Alvarado from Knickerbocker's number seven from the Pistons, Duncan
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: Robinson never drafted, number six, Luke Cornett from the Spurs,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: never drafted number five from the Cavaliers, Max Schrutz never drafted.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Number four, one of the.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: Best players in the NBA as far as off the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: bench from the Thunder. Alex Crusoe never drafted from the Thunder,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: never drafted number three, Lou Dort number two from the Timberwolves,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: nas reed and number one from the Lakers Austin Reeves.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: So think about these teams showing the Thunder have two
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: guys that once starts, once impactful, never drafted to the party. Quickly,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: what about Jazz basketball. His five guys are listed with
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: all the Jazz fans that were undrafted. Number one Joe Ingles.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Joe Jingle and Joe got a little run from the
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Timberwolves last night. He got that right.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: He scored seven points. He made he made a three
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: point shots. I called the Aussie with a swag.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: Number two Wesley Matthews Jazz never drafted, number three, Rajah
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: Bell never drafted, number four, Carl sa Royal never drafted,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: and David Benwall number five. So all these guys in
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: Jazz Basketball played contributions, and the other guys you mentioned
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: for it. And then presently most of the guys in
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: the top fifteen in playoff type teams this year, all
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: of most of them are alumni of the G League.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Of the G League. Well, that's proof of concept. Then
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: the G League is serving the function that it was
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: designed to serve.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: Also, the coaches Nick Nurse, Chiliant alumni from the thunder,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: Mark Donnell alumni, and Chris benchm to Tee Wolves coach
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: in the G League. So sean three to eight teams
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: in the final eight in the NBA their coaches were
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: in the G League.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. The G League. It's interesting because it
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: I don't watch it. I don't pay attention to who's
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: winning it, but it is producing more of a finished
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: product for the NBA. You just I mean from a
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: coaching and player standpoint, So I assume that means that
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: the investment is worth it.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, Sean very much worth it, especially big guys. Big guys,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: they need a game experience. You know, doing shooting drills
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: and big man drills and face up drills is commendable
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: and that's important, but you got to get You have
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: to play in competition, get banged around, get thrown to
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: the ground by someone smaller than you. How do you
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: respond to it? And it's all parts of the maturation
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: of it. And so Sewan, so tonight, Austin Reeves undrafted,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: he's a shooting slump. Just say tonight he goes for
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: thirty one as he bounces back.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: As far as.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: Shooting, are you kidding me? He played in the G League.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: Remember I didn't mention it at all because he didn't
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: play this year. Freddie van Fleet in the G League,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: remember the whole the benchmark.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: We've loved him state absolutely.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: And so there's so many guys. Ben Wallace is the
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: only guy in the NBA Hall of Fame that was undrafted.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: He's in the Hall of Fame undrafted, Ben Wallace. I
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: wonder who else could get there. The NFL has got
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: several Hall of Famers that were undrafted guys.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: Remember some names, who would that be? Kurt Warner? Okay,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Kurt Warner undrafted, Warren Moon undrafted, James Harrison undrafted.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: I like guys absolutely, they were not invited. Sean to
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: the party. Very similar to you and I.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Max Crosby is one of the top defensive players in
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: the league right now, undrafted guy. I mean, there's the NFL.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: It feels like the NFL misses.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: A lot.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Sean. In fact, is Max Crosby still with the Raiders?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Did that go for now? Okay, the trade with the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Ravens was negated by a weird physical situation. So yeah,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: he's with the he's with the Raiders still. So show's
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: looing to right now.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: When you get traded with the NFL, the NBA, you've
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: got it past the new team's physical Yeah, and that
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: that gets very interesting Sean. Where he guy plays for
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: a certain team, he's playing the new team hate something
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: wrong with him.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: It seems to be that the consensus opinion was that
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: the Ravens kind of had buyer's remorse after executing the trade,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: and uh, there was no There was no new findings
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: in the physical. It was all information that had been disclosed.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: The progress on his recovery, according to the Raiders and
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Max Crosby, was exactly accurate. And then the Ravens set
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: out on never mind, so strange. You don't see it.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: You don't see a trade of that magnature, that magnitude. Absolutely,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: it's not negated very often, but this one was strange.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Matthew of the Jets sewan. Well, if there's an example
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: of anything strange happening in the NFL, the Jets are
• 1:21:16
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• 1:21:19
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  Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy odds were put out, I mean weeks and
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: weeks ago, but we haven't talked about anything as of yet.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: I I took a look at him. I was just
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: you know, playing around on the internet last night, and
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder if whaterfar guy were guys
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: for that matter, I wonder if Devin dan Pierre is
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: making the early list. Now. Eventually the sports books, as
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: we get closer to the season, eventually the sports books
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: are gonna be you know, a lot more detailed in
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: whose names are on these things, so you will be
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: able to place a wager on if you're so inclined,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: that is, to place a wager on somebody like Devin
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: dan Pierre or even Bird Ficklin or much to the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: chagrin of a lot of Utah fans, I think bear
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Bachmeyer is actually a pretty healthy Heisman dark horse candidate
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: if he takes the forward steps that I expect from
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: him under Aaron Rodrick and company. But the current favorites
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: for the Heisman Trophy heading into this year are CJ.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: Carr of Notre Dame and arch Manning of Texas close
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: behind Trinidad Chambliss at Old Miss. Now here's the problem
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: I have. If you're placing a bet on arch Manning
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: to win the Heisman Trophy in the future, you're expecting
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: Texas to make to run to the national championship because
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: that is the only way that arch Manning. The bar
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: is set so ridiculously high for him. And I know
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: that he's a great player, and he was the number
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: one recruit for a reason, and he's the number one
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: nil earner in college football and well one of the
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: top inn al earners in college football for a reason.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: But arch Manning has to be, like, I don't know,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: ten to fifteen percent better than everyone else in order
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: for people to talk about arch Manning living up to
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: the expectations. It's if he would just change the last
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: name only for his Texas career, right, b arch Manning.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: Arch arch Banning. Yeah, shout out like hook, Peter Bruce,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: take the m off arch Anning, arch Anning. Okay, arch Oning,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: you get more in iol And.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: It was just like this guy, this, this arch Anning
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: kid is actually ridiculous double a. Who's his uncle? I
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: don't know. I've never heard of any famous Annings his grandfather.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: You got a famous grandfather, No, no one's named Anning.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know of any Annings that I'm impressed by.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: That jumped out to me when I was looking at
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: these odds. If you're confident in arch Manning being in
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: that conversation, we have already seen the reaction to him.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: We've already seen the way that the sports media, that
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: the fan base treats arch Manning. It's like, oh, that
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: incredible play you made, you're supposed.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: To Yeah, he had a rough start to the year.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: He was playing against the best at the time, and
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: for most of the season, the best defense in the
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: country at the Horseshoe Ohio State. But we didn't care
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: about that. Nationally, the media and the fans were like, Oh,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: you just you sucked, you bust, You're a bust. You underachieved,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: you only got one touchdown. He's a true freshman and
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: one of the hardest places to play in the country against,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: like I said, one of the best defenses in the country.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: But then he ends up having a really good season,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: not like best season in college football, Heisman Trophy, Heisman
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: Trophy worthy season. But I think the prevailing thought is
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: he's still really struggled in his first year.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, you look at the numbers.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: You look at you know, every game after the Florida game,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: basically he looked really good. I think you're right, it's
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: an unreasonable expectation for him. But I don't know if
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: I still think if he gets if he combines for
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: fifty touchdowns and they they have another three loss season,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: you don't think Arch is gonna get Heisman love. You
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: don't think he's a finalist and a three loss season.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: I think absolutely not, because we've seen I only say
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: that because we've seen lots of Heisman winners with two
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: three losses on teams two three losses don't make the
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: playoff and they they they win the Heisman or their
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: at least finalists with you know, other worldly numbers like oh.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: Just throughout now. Part of the reason I'm saying this
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: about Arch because I again, I think he has to
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: I legitimately believe it's like, yes, to be ten to
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: fifteen percent better than the standard set by the other
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: elite players in the country. And if he's running away
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: with it, if he's all alone. Then sure it's a
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: great story, everyone gets on board with it. But I
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: think there's a lot of really good players in the
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: in the in the landscape right now. And I think that,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: you know, the playing field has leveled somewhat because all
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: these other schools are spending big money. And Diego Pavia
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: was at in New York for the Heisman Trophy ceremony
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: last year, a Vanderbilt quarterback who's five 't ten like Arch.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: I wish him well. I think it's absolutely unfair that
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: you have to be better than better in order to
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: live up to the expectation.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: I think that's what's happening. I love all of the
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: Aning family. I root for the Annings really fun. So
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: I hope Arch. I hope Arched as well.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: By the way, MG Sportsbook still has at least as
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: when I pulled this list up this morning, they still
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: have a number on Brendan Soresby really like it's plus
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: two thousand on Brendan Soresby, And I think, I don't know,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: we have to get a betting expert on I think
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: that if you place a wager on him and then
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: he is suspended not injured, but I think if he's suspended.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: Then it's just kind of like a tie. They're just like, God,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: never mind, and I think you get at least a refund,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: so that might be like a no lost type situation
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of the not necessarily the casino ones
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: like BETMGM, but a lot of the fan dual draftings,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: the online, the ones that started online that are doing that.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: As I understand. As I understand it, I think it's
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: the one that caught everyone's attention. I don't know if
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: it was the first high profile one that they've given
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: like refunds for bets on, but it's the one that
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: really caught into the mainstream.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Was Aaron Rodgers achilles. You remember all the.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: People were like, you know, you know odds on MVP
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: or you know over unders, if you placed one on
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: if you placed a bet like that for the season
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: on Aaron Rodgers because he only four plays in, he
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: tears his achilles and he misses the whole year with
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: the Jets, we will refund it. That that was There
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: was a lot of reaction to that, a lot of
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: people going, that's bush league, Like you place the bet,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: you know the risk, you should you should eat the
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: you should eat.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: The uh negative part of that. But they they're refunding
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. Will Hammond, I've gone to the FanDuel sportsbook.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Will Hammond is plus fifty five hundred or Heisman, Yes,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Rocko beck is plus sixty five hundred, bear Bachbeyer is
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: plus sixty five hundred, Devin dan Pierre is plus eight thousand. Wow.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: So I feel like.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: Becked and Evan those are particularly good odds for those two,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: and Bachmeyer that for some reason that seems about right.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Maybe you could, maybe you could put a little higher,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: closer to plus five thousand. But as a guy who's
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: not a better those those two with Becked going to
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: Penn State high profile, a lot, high profile, and we
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: know Devin dan Pierre's electric ability when he's fully healthy,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: in which he played hurt a lot last year.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like they could exceed those expectations. I know
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: people don't love hearing BYU praise on this station, but
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: man LJ. Martin, rock O Becked, not rock OBC bear Bachmeyer, like,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: these guys have a real opportunity to make a big
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: time splash together this year. Now, maybe that hurts their
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: individual award odds and something like as lofty as the
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy. You'd have to be a playoff team to
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: be even a finalist for the Heisman Trophy. And you
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: are up against the Julian Sayings of the world, and
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: the arch Mannings of the world, and the Trinidad Champlisses
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: of the world. All of those guys are coming in.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: They're already very famous. But yeah, LJ.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: Martin, you say that, I wonder if he shouldn't have
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: the highest Heisman odds for I.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: Mean, the vandal goes pretty far down here. I'm looking like, oh,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: there's l J. Martin twenty two to five plus. So
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: if you put one hundred dollars on l. J. Martin
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: to win the Heisman Trophy, you win make twenty two
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: five hundred dollars. He has the same odds is Jake Retzlaw.
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  Speaker 3: Ye see, I kind of think I kind of think
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: Martin should be where, not necessarily at plus sixty five hundred,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: but I think their places as far as who the
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: best Heisman candidate on the team, maybe they should be swapped.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I need to find a sportsbook that's
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: given you odds on Big twelve Offensive Player of the Year. Yeah,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: because that's where you put your money on. L. J. Moore.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, guys like Devin Dan Pierre and by the way,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: oh see, I totally get what you're saying, home of
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: the Utes. Maybe people don't want to hear Kook football praise,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: but like we are your home for football, so that
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: is also true, so you might hear a little bit
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: of that out a ton a little bit.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: Ian Rappaport is out there reporting that Aaron Rodgers is
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: visiting the Pittsburgh Steelers this weekend, and while there's no
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: agreement in place, the expectation is that he is likely
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: to play for the Steelers in twenty twenty six. Nothing
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: definitive yet, but he's making good on his promise. He's
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: not going to make everyone wait until June. This is
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: going to be resolved one way or another in May.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: We're in the first week of May still and we
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: have a good sense of what may or may not
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: be happening with Aaron Rodgers. Well done, well done. Erin
• 1:33:01
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• 1:33:30
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• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: is Martin Laird. He's at seven under. Most most of
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: the guys are finished with their round, including including Martin
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: Laird at seven hundred. He's one shot up on the
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: number two, which is Rye at six under. Hubbard and
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: Vanderlahn and Paul Peterson are among a group of guys
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: tied for thirty five hunderd just a couple of shots
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: off the lead, tied for six to round out the
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: top ten. You've got Davis Riley in that group and
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: uh Brant Snedeker at four under. So close leaderboard so far,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: Still a few guys out there on the round. Like
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: I said, most of the guys done for the day.
• 1:34:21
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  Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy odds were put out, I mean weeks and
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: weeks ago, but we haven't talked about anything as of yet.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: I took a look at him. I was just you know,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: playing around on the internet last night, and I was like,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: I wonder if wonderfar guy or guys for that matter,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder if Devin dan Pierre is making the early list. Now,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: eventually the sports books, as we get closer to the season,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: eventually the sports books are going to be you know,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: a lot more detailed in whose names are on these things,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: so you'll be able to place a wager on if
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: you're so inclined, that is, to place a wager on
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: somebody like Devin dan Pierre or even Bird Ficklin or
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: much to the chagrin of a lot of Utah fans,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: I think bear Bachmeyer is actually a pretty healthy Heisman
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: dark horse candidate if he takes the forward steps that
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: I expect from him under Aaron Rodrick and company. But
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: the current favorites for the Heisman Trophy heading into this
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: year are CJ. Carr of Notre Dame and Arch Manning
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: of Texas, close behind Trinidad Chambliss at Old Miss. Now
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: here's the problem I have. If you're placing a bet
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: on arch Manning to win the Heisman Trophy in the future,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: you're expecting Texas to make a run to the national
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: championship because that is the only way that Arch Manning.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: The bar is set so ridiculously high for him. And
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: I know that he's a great player, and he was
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: the number one recruit for a reason, and he's the
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: number one NIL earner in college football and well one
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: of the top n AL earners in college football for
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: a reason. But Arch Manning has to be like, I
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: don't know, ten to fifteen percent better than everyone else
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: in order for people to talk about arch Manning living
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: up to the expectations, it's if he would just change
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: the last name only for his Texas career, right, b
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: arch Manning.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: Arch arch Banning. Yeah, shout out like hook, Peter Bruce,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: take the m off arch Anning, arch Anning, Okay, arch Oning,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: you get more in iol And it was just like this.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: Guy, this, this arch Anning kid is actually ridiculous. Double A.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: Who's his uncle?
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of any famous Annings. His grandfather, you
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: got famous grandfather? No, No one's named Anning. I don't
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: know of any addings that I'm impressed by. That jumped
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: out to me when I was looking at these odds.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: If you're confident in arch Manning being in that conversation,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: we have already seen the reaction to him. We've already
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: seen the way that the sports media, that the fan
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: base treats arch Manning. It's like, oh, that incredible play
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: you made, you're supposed to Yeah.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: He had a rough start to the year. He was
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: playing against the best at the time, and for most
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: of the season the best defense in the country at
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: the Horseshoe Ohio State, but we didn't care about that. Nationally,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: the media and the fans were like, Oh, you just
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: you sucked, you bust, You're a bust, you underachieved, you
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: only got one touchdown. He's a true freshman and one
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: of the hardest places to play in the country against,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: Like I said, one of the best defenses in the country.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: But then he ends up having a really good season,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: not like best season in college football, Heisman Trophy, Heisman
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: Trophy worthy season. But I think the prevailing thought is
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: he's still really struggled in his first year.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: You look at the numbers, you look at you know,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: every game. After the Florida game, basically he looked really good.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: I think you're right, it's an unreasonable expectation for him.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: But I don't know if I still think if he
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: gets if he combines for fifty touchdowns and they they
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: have another three loss season, you don't think Arch is
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: gonna get Heisman love.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: You don't think he's a finalist and a three loss season.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: I think absolutely not.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: Because we've seen I only say that because we've seen
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: lots of Heisman winners with two three losses on teams
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: two three losses don't make the playoff and they they
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: they win the Heisman or their at least finalists with
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: you know, other worldly numbers like just throughout now.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: Part of the reason I've saying this about Arch because
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: I again, I think he has to I legitimately believe
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: it's like he has to be ten to fifteen percent
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: better then the standard set by the other elite players
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: in the country. And if he's running away with it,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: if he's all alone, then sure it's a great story.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: Everyone gets on board with it. But I think there's
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of really good players in the in the
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: in the landscape right now, and I think that, you know,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: the playing field has leveled somewhat because all these other
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: schools are spending big money. And Diego Pavia was at
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: in New York for the Heisman Trophy ceremony last year,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: a Vanderbilt quarterback who's five 't ten like Arch. I
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: wish him well. I think it's absolutely unfair that you
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: have to be better than better in order to live
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: up to the expectation.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: I think that's what's happening. I love all of the
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: aning family. I root for the annings, so I hope
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: arch I hope arched as well.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: By the way, MGM Sportsbook still has at least as
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: when I pulled this list up this morning, they still
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: have a number on Brendan Soresby. Really like it's plus
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: two thousand on Brendan Soresby. And I think, I don't know,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: we have to get a betting expert on. I think
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: that if you place a wager on him and then
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: he is suspended, not injured, but I think if he's
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: suspended then it's just kind of like a tie. They're
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: just like, God, never mind. And I think you get
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: at least a refund, so that might be like a
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: no lost type situation for you.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of the not necessarily the casino ones
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: like BETMGM, but a lot of the fan dual draftings,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: the online, the ones that started online that are doing
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: that as I understand. As I understand it, I think
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: it's the one that caught everyone's attention. I don't know
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: if it was the first high profile one that they've
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: given like refunds for bets on, but it's the one
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: that really caught into the mainstream.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: Was Aaron Rodgers a kid.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: Remember, all the people were like, you know, you know
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: odds on MVP or you know over unders, if you
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: placed one on if you placed a bet like that
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: for the season on Aaron Rodgers because he only four
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: plays in, he tears his achilles and he misses the
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: whole year with the Jets.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: We will refund it that.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: That was There was a lot of reaction to that,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: a lot of people going, that's bush league, Like you
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: place the bet, you know the risk, you should you
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: should eat the you should eat the uh negative part
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: But they they're refunding stuff like that. Will Hammond, I've
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: gone to the FanDuel sportsbook. Will Hammond is plus fifty
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: five hundred or Heisman, Yes, Rocko beck is plus sixty
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: five hundred, Bear Bachmeyer is plus sixty five hundred, Devin
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: Dan Pierre is plus eight thousand. Wow. So I feel like.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: Becked and Devin those are particularly good odds for those too.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: And Bachmeyer that for some reason that seems about right.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: Maybe you could, maybe you could put a little higher,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: closer to plus five thousand. But as a guy who's
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: not a better those those two with Becht going to
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: Penn State High profile a lot high profile, and we
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: know Devin dan Pierre's electric ability when he's fully healthy,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: in which he played hurt a lot last year.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like they could exceed those expectations. I know
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: people don't love here in BYU praise on this station,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: but man, LJ. Martin, rock O Becked not rock OBC
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: bear Bachmeyer, like, these guys have a real opportunity to
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: make a big time splash together this year. Now, maybe
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: that hurts their individual award odds. In something like as
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: lofty as a Heisman Trophy, you'd have to be a
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: playoff team to be even a finalist for the Heisman Trophy.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: And you are up against the Julian Sayans of the world,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: and the arch Mannings of the world, and the Trinidad
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: Chamblisses of the world. All of those guys are coming in.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: They're already very famous. But yeah, LJ.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: Martin, now you say that, I wonder if he shouldn't
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: have the highest Heisman odds.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: For I mean, Vandal goes pretty far down here. I'm
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: looking like, oh, there's l J. Martin twenty two to
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: five plus. So if you put one hundred dollars on
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: l J. Martin to win the Heisman Trophy, you win
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: make twenty two five hundred dollars. He has the same
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: odds as Jake Retzler.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: Ye see, I kind of think I kind of think
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: Martin should be where, not necessarily at plus sixty five hundred,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: but I think their places as far as who the
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: best Heisman candidate on the team, maybe they should be swapped.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I need to find a sportsbook that's
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: given you odds on Big twelve Offensive Player of the Year. Yeah,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: because that's where you put your money on. L. J.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: Moore, absolutely, and guys like Devin Dan Pierre and by
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: the way, oh see, I totally get what you're saying,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: home of the Utes. Maybe people don't want to hear
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: Kook football praise, but like we are your home for football,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: so that is also true, so you might hear a
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: little bit of that.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: Now A ton a little bit. Ian Rapaport is out
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: there reporting that Aaron Rodgers is visiting the Pittsburgh Steelers
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: this weekend, and while there's no agreement in place, the
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: expectation is that he is likely to play for the
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: Steelers in twenty twenty six. Nothing definitive yet, but he's
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: making good on his promise. He's not going to make
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: everyone wait until June. This is going to be resolved
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: one way or another in May. We're in the first
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: week of May still and we have a good sense
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: of what may or may not be happening with Aaron Rodgers.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: Well done, well done, Erin. While we're at it, let's
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: get a PGA Tour leaderboard update in here for the
• 1:47:03
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• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: on at the Myrtle Beach Classic.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: Myrtle Beach Classic, of course in South Carolina. Your leader
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: is Martin Laird. He's at seven under. Most most of
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: the guys are finished with their round, including including Martin
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: Laird at seven undred. He's one shot up on the
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: number two, which is Rye at six under. Hubbard and
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: Vanderlahn and Paul Peterson are are among the group of
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: guys tied for thirty five under, just a couple of
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: shots off the lead, tied for six to round out
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: the top ten. You've got Davis Riley in that group
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: and Brant Snedeker at four under.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: So close leaderboard so far. Still a few guys out
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: there on the round.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Like I said, most of the guys done for the
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: day on this first day of the Myrtle Beach Classic,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: the last tournament, last tune up before the for the
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: next major, which is next weekend PGA Championship. We're gonna
• 1:48:27
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• 1:48:31
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• 1:48:34
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  Speaker 2: and ninety two FM. Tony Parks, the voice of the
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  Speaker 2: Salt Lake Bees is kind enough to swing by, Tony.
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 5: I'm good here in the Sooner State, chick A saw
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  Speaker 5: Bricktown Ballpark. Beautiful place, beautiful day. I'm at the ballpark
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  Speaker 5: and there's nowhere else I'd rather be. So we're doing well.
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  Speaker 2: The uh, the parent club is off to a rough
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  Speaker 2: start so far in this baseball season. How has that
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  Speaker 2: affected the Bees with call ups and rotation and things
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  Speaker 2: like that. Well, one of the.
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  Speaker 5: Things that has happened is, you know, young talented pitchers
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  Speaker 5: who I think have evolved and emerged while with the
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  Speaker 5: Bees have had their call ups and had their opportunities
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  Speaker 5: at the next level, and maybe it has sped up
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  Speaker 5: some of that, you know, rather than you know, you
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  Speaker 5: always hope to have a logjam at certain spots, such
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  Speaker 5: as you know, relief pitching, which I know is a
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  Speaker 5: really really big dorn in the side of the Angels,
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  Speaker 5: and there's just no way to say it. It has
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  Speaker 5: not been at the level that they were hoping, you know,
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  Speaker 5: especially early in the year. And so while the Bees
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  Speaker 5: have I think some really great guys who are starters
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  Speaker 5: who they could rely on for some relief opportunities there
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  Speaker 5: with the Parent Club. Now the Garry's the guy with
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  Speaker 5: the great stuff. He added a cutter to his game,
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  Speaker 5: and when it's been on point, he's looked dominant. Mitch
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  Speaker 5: Ferris has looked dominant. George Clausen, you know, had a
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  Speaker 5: no hitter through six, you know, at one point. And
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  Speaker 5: Caden Dana, who I think has the best stuff. You know,
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  Speaker 5: he missed so much of the spring with illness, and
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  Speaker 5: so he's getting back to form. He's not quite there
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  Speaker 5: yet either. And while at this level with the Salt
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  Speaker 5: Lake Bees, they have had individuals who have had individual
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  Speaker 5: performances which I think are promising, here's the problem. Inconsistency
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  Speaker 5: has just really played this team as well. The Bees
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  Speaker 5: have the worst ra in TRIPLEA. They walked eleven hitters yesterday,
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  Speaker 5: They walked eleven hitters the day before. They got away
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  Speaker 5: with it two days ago and won, and yesterday they
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  Speaker 5: gave themselves very little chance to win a ball game.
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  Speaker 5: And if you don't locate, and then you walk guys
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  Speaker 5: a lot, and then when you're not walking guys, you're
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  Speaker 5: getting behind hitters, and then you're getting behind good hitters,
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  Speaker 5: it is really tough to string together wins. It's tough
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  Speaker 5: to keep momentum as a team, to keep confidence overall,
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  Speaker 5: because right now this beas team I think has as
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  Speaker 5: explosive of an offense that they've had since twenty thirteen.
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  Speaker 5: It's been a long time since they've you know, they're seven, eight,
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  Speaker 5: nine hitters on any given night are really productive. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's affected then because obviously it's caused guys to need
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  Speaker 5: to come up and give support and they've been up
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  Speaker 5: and down. As we know that that can happen a lot.
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  Speaker 5: But the biggest thing is nobody has really been able
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  Speaker 5: to say, Okay, this is the part of the bullpen
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  Speaker 5: that's starts to flourish. This is where it could be
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  Speaker 5: consistent and dependable, because while it's been inconsistent for the Angels,
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  Speaker 5: it's also been inconsistent for the Bees.
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  Speaker 2: How often do you see someone roll through it? And
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  Speaker 2: maybe maybe this year, maybe not that you know, part
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  Speaker 2: of the fascination I had with grassroots sports is you
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  Speaker 2: see someone before everyone knows that they're good, before everyone
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  Speaker 2: knows that they're great. Where you see someone roll through
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  Speaker 2: and you're like that swing is a major league baseball swing,
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  Speaker 2: or that that arm angle and the velocity on that
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  Speaker 2: pitch means that we are going to see this guy
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  Speaker 2: be a staple somewhere in the majors. How often do
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  Speaker 2: you recognize it when you know you're you're doing the
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  Speaker 2: daily job. Like you said, you're at the ballpark and
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  Speaker 2: these guys are on the climb and you get to
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  Speaker 2: be the kind of the first mover. You get to
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  Speaker 2: see it before everyone else sees it.
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  Speaker 5: I don'ld say it's usually about monthly, you know, whether
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  Speaker 5: it's like Eric Wagerman, you know a few years Zach
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  Speaker 5: where no one really knew who he was, but I
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  Speaker 5: had a chance to watch him up. I'm like, dude,
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  Speaker 5: this guy is great. Joey Loperfido who was there in
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  Speaker 5: the astro system and had no business playing Triple A.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he was unbelievable. He was just out of
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  Speaker 5: this world. And you know, so we have a chance
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  Speaker 5: to see that, you know, quite regularly. I mean you
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  Speaker 5: have your your major stars that you've seen on occasion
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  Speaker 5: where you say right away, not only is that guy
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  Speaker 5: going to play at the major league level, he's going
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  Speaker 5: to make several All Star Games in New X, Y
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  Speaker 5: and Z. And that's the Mike Trout. We're saying, Alex Rodgriguez,
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  Speaker 5: you know, going into the way back. But I think
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  Speaker 5: it's it's really daily that you'll see somebody. It's just
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  Speaker 5: the same guy over a period of time. But usually
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  Speaker 5: once a month, I'll see a guy where I go,
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  Speaker 5: there's no way he's going to be here long, and
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  Speaker 5: there's no way he's going to be coming back. And
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  Speaker 5: so that that makes this fun, you know, it makes
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  Speaker 5: it fun to to see at this level day in
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  Speaker 5: and day out, because then when they get there, you know,
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  Speaker 5: many times myself and other guys on our staff or
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  Speaker 5: other guys from you know, the manager and and the
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  Speaker 5: hitting coach and everybody else, we're laughing, going, oh we
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  Speaker 5: knew this. Yeah, this is not a surprise whatsoever. And
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  Speaker 5: then you see guys in the league that you know,
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  Speaker 5: we're in the postseason last year, and you go, okay, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not surprised to see that happen. So it's a
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  Speaker 5: special part of what goes on because before they reach
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  Speaker 5: there and they're great there, they were already elite right here.
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  Speaker 5: And then the flip side of it, this is the
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  Speaker 5: other fun part. I remember Ubaldo him Ns who got
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  Speaker 5: shelved the first time that I had a chance to
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  Speaker 5: see him, and he did not look good at all,
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  Speaker 5: and then the next year he was, you know, starting
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  Speaker 5: in the All Star Game. So it's fun, man, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: it's just this game as you know, it's wild, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Following it every day is a blessing, and part of
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  Speaker 5: it is watching the individual story as it continues to blossom.
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  Speaker 2: Tony parks our guests here on the Sean O'Connell Shore
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  Speaker 2: talking a little baseball today. Jeff Passon was on the
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  Speaker 2: Rich Eisen Show the other day and they were asking
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  Speaker 2: and talking about the automation. They were asking about ABS,
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  Speaker 2: and Jeff Passen talked about something that I guess I
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  Speaker 2: should have been aware of. We should have been aware of,
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  Speaker 2: but we're not. That there's actually a two way communication
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  Speaker 2: in game between the operators of the ABS and the
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  Speaker 2: umpires to help them kind of dial in and be
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  Speaker 2: more accurate on the strike zone. And I was not
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  Speaker 2: aware of that until I saw the conversation. And you're
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  Speaker 2: calling these games on the daily, most times are we
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  Speaker 2: seeing umpires do exactly that get the strike zone dialed in.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe beginning of the game they'll miss a call
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  Speaker 2: here or miss a call there, they'll get a challenge
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  Speaker 2: and an overturn, but by halfway through or seventh inning stretch,
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  Speaker 2: they've got it dialed to where they needed to.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I don't think there's any doubt the most underrated
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  Speaker 5: part of the ABS system, which by the way, has
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  Speaker 5: been better for the game major League Baseball more than
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  Speaker 5: any sport. Every time there's an improvement of the game,
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  Speaker 5: everyone swears there's a monster in the closet and it's
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  Speaker 5: going to be the worst thing ever, and there's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be flags all over the field, and games are going
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  Speaker 5: to take twelve hours, and now we're going to have
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  Speaker 5: and every time it's better. The pitch clocks better, the
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  Speaker 5: three disengagements is better, the game times are better, the
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  Speaker 5: rhythm and the flow of the game is better. And
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  Speaker 5: one thing that's happened with the ABS system, for one,
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  Speaker 5: it is showing how good these guys are most times
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  Speaker 5: when they miss, and of course we'll show the one
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  Speaker 5: on social media where they're way off most times when
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  Speaker 5: they miss. We are talking millimeters and whether it's in
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  Speaker 5: the zone out of his home. If you look at
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  Speaker 5: most teams every single game before I get ready, I
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  Speaker 5: look at the team's percentages and they're correct fifty two, wrong,
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  Speaker 5: forty eight or vice versa. So the catchers are just
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  Speaker 5: about the same with their challenges and the hitters are
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  Speaker 5: the same. When it comes to the umpires, we're talking
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  Speaker 5: about the naked eye and an invisible box here. That's
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  Speaker 5: what we're talking about. So it's showing that they're better
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  Speaker 5: than they've ever been. But the second thing, the most
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  Speaker 5: underrated thing about ABS is that it's in game feedback
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  Speaker 5: for an umpire. The umpire swears that pitch it's dropped
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  Speaker 5: down beneath the zone before it got there. The catchers
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  Speaker 5: swore it hit the very bottom part of the zone,
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  Speaker 5: at the top of the ball. They challenge it. They
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  Speaker 5: look up and you see the top sliver of the
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  Speaker 5: ball just clip the zone, and the strike zone pops
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  Speaker 5: up red and the calls overturned it and it's a strike.
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  Speaker 5: And you see it all the time, and then umpires
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  Speaker 5: are like, okay, great, and it's like I said, it's
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  Speaker 5: in game feedback. So as the game goes on, more
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  Speaker 5: and more often you'd see just how correct they are.
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  Speaker 5: So people have talked about you it' about the time
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  Speaker 5: these umpires had, you know, accountability. Oh, they were already
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  Speaker 5: held accountable. They're judged on every pitch, they're judged on
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  Speaker 5: correct incorrect, how far out of the zone they are,
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  Speaker 5: and they are demoted and promoted accordingly. It's it's something
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  Speaker 5: that happens here. So the best thing that started to
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  Speaker 5: happen with officiating in all sports. You see how it's
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  Speaker 5: a controversy in this one, it should be left because
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  Speaker 5: there's legitimate accountability. There's immediate feedback, and you can tell
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  Speaker 5: that they are getting so close as close as you
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  Speaker 5: can and being to perfecting it because you'll never perfect it.
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  Speaker 5: We're talking about humans here, but this is as good
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  Speaker 5: as I think you can ask it to be, other
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  Speaker 5: than an ABF calling every single ball in the strike
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  Speaker 5: automatically right, like that's the next thing. But they even
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  Speaker 5: have now the check sling challenge, which we just had
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  Speaker 5: in this series, with the first series to have it,
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  Speaker 5: and we've had it and it's been great. It's exactly
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  Speaker 5: what you wanted to do. And I think the players
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  Speaker 5: overall love when the game moves closer to honesty, and
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  Speaker 5: that's what the game has moved closer towards.
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  Speaker 2: That, the feedback loop of helping officials to dial things in.
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  Speaker 2: I want it in other sports now. I want it
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  Speaker 2: in football. I want there to be, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: eye in the sky saying, hey, that defensive end that
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: is complaining about being held on every play. He's actually
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  Speaker 2: got a legitimate gripe, heier. Let's pay a little extra attention, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and technology and AI like I am a
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  Speaker 2: skeptic of all of it unless it's working. And the
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  Speaker 2: proof of concept that started with minor league baseball is
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  Speaker 2: obviously translated to major league baseball. It's pretty cool to see.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, it's great to see. And my opinion on this
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  Speaker 5: every time is, especially when it's not subjective, the subjective
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  Speaker 5: is difficult. That's difficult, right, holding past interference, there's so
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  Speaker 5: many different parts of that. My thing is, if we
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  Speaker 5: have something to make it better and it's quick and
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  Speaker 5: efficient and it just makes the game better overall, why
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't we use it. We're in this era where we
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  Speaker 5: have it. Officiating is a variable in every game. It's
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  Speaker 5: a variable that affects each team, and when it's poor
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  Speaker 5: one way, it benefits the other. You know, so people
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  Speaker 5: would always defend it with you all human errors part
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  Speaker 5: of the game. Right, Well, if I make a mistake
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  Speaker 5: as a player, that hurts my team, but if an
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  Speaker 5: umpire makes a mistake that helps one team hurts another,
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  Speaker 5: and it swings games. We don't expect perfection, but can
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  Speaker 5: we get it as close to that as possible, because
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  Speaker 5: the umpires want to you know, they want to get
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  Speaker 5: it right. That's part of what this is the other
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  Speaker 5: thing that's made better. And I know people will disagree
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  Speaker 5: with me on this. I love that we don't have
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  Speaker 5: Aaron Boone walking out with his veins poking out, screaming
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  Speaker 5: and yelling over zero point two millimeters on a pitch outside,
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  Speaker 5: acting like this umpire is completely incompetent. Now you got ejections,
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  Speaker 5: Now you got screaming matches, now you've got all the
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  Speaker 5: circus going on. I don't understand why that was ever
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  Speaker 5: good for the game, especially when sometimes you had guys
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  Speaker 5: screaming and yelling over correct halls. It was pathetic and
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  Speaker 5: it got out of hand. Now, in the previous era,
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  Speaker 5: you had the I'm the umpire, this is my strike zone.
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  Speaker 5: I control this, and it turned into this weird, macho
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  Speaker 5: game where you had to try and please the umpire.
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  Speaker 5: And then you know, and then deception becomes a cool
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  Speaker 5: part of what goes on. And I'm like, okay, but
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  Speaker 5: if you go look at games in the seventies and
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 5: eighties and even the nineties with Eric Craig, and you
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  Speaker 5: watched the nonsense that was going on with strike zones
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: that were all over the place. But people talked about
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  Speaker 5: it like, you know, this is good for the game. No,
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't. It really wasn't. And now you're starting to
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  Speaker 5: see the game a little cleaner. You're seeing it played
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  Speaker 5: still at a terrific level. These players are awesome, and
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  Speaker 5: now it's starting to show a better version of baseball
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  Speaker 5: than I think we've ever had. Despite what all of
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  Speaker 5: those who you know, like I said, they claimed there
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  Speaker 5: was a monster in the closet, it was going to
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  Speaker 5: destroy and ruin the game. The game didn't need to
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 5: be left alone. Rob Manfer needed to improve this game.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not just sticking up for a commissioner. I
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  Speaker 5: think he has constantly tried to find ways to do
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  Speaker 5: it without turning it into a circus, and it's I
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  Speaker 5: think it's made it better for everyone involved.
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  Speaker 2: Tony parks for another minute or two here on the
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  Speaker 2: Shoan O'Connell show, talking baseball. The Utah Mammoths just wrapped
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  Speaker 2: up their season, came up short in the first round
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  Speaker 2: playoff series against Vegas. Only the second year, second year,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: excuse me, the franchise existence, and they're on pace. It's
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: nice now that we have a two year sample size, Tony,
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  Speaker 2: what have we learned from hockey in Utah that could
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: be applied to baseball than Utah? Should major League Baseball
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  Speaker 2: arrive the way we hope it will.
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  Speaker 5: I've said it from the very beginning. Utah is a
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  Speaker 5: place for sports and events. They love events, they love sports.
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  Speaker 5: When hockey got involved with this, people ask, well, okay,
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 5: well how will they really respond to this? Really well,
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  Speaker 5: they don't even care what slew footing is. They don't
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 5: even know what some of it. They don't need to.
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  Speaker 5: I think offside, this is how the goals are scored,
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  Speaker 5: and they'll learn as they go. But the biggest thing
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  Speaker 5: is this is their team. You make it their team,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 5: you make it legitimate, you make it big. And I
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 5: think the ownership and for an office, there's a ton
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 5: of credit with their work, from branding to everything that
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  Speaker 5: they've done with presentation, fam friendly events. They haven't had
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  Speaker 5: the begbie fans. They'll come out. They're excited about this.
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  Speaker 5: They love being a part of something special. I've tried
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  Speaker 5: to explain this to so many as to why Salt
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  Speaker 5: Lake is not just a great play for it say hockey,
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  Speaker 5: but also baseball or anything else. The non baseball fan
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 5: will come out, they'll learn more and more about it.
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  Speaker 5: The baseball fans definitely coming. So what you learn is
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  Speaker 5: Utah loves their events, which like the Olympics or whatever
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  Speaker 5: it might be. If there's something big and something cool
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  Speaker 5: going on and it's theirs, they're going to support it.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's what makes the fan in the
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 5: state of Utah really special. They were that way with
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 5: the Jazz, now they're that way with the Mammoth. They
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 5: would be that way with the major league team. And
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 5: I think, you know, it just goes to show. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: Salt Lake is the smallest market with multiple major pro
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  Speaker 5: sports teams. They are the smallest market with multiple major
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 5: sports pro sports teams, and they fill that place and
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  Speaker 5: they bring the energy. They would do the same thing
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 5: with if you had a third with Major League Baseball.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 5: It's what makes Salt Lake special. And you don't know
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 5: unless you're there.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: Have you seen the realignment proposal that would a company expansion.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, with all of the different discussions on possibilities and
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 5: divisions and you know, multiple cities who could be involved
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 5: in this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so one of the things that people don't like.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: Is an al Northeast. And again this is not this
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: is just a mock up. This is hey, this is
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: how we chop the league up. If you bring a
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: west coast team in, we hope it would be Salt Lake.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: Portland is obviously a candidate there. You bring in probably
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: a Nashville or a Charlotte to the southeast, and what
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: are the proposals? Has Yankees, Matt's Red Sox, Phillies all
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: in the same division. Now that's either something that you
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: love or you hate. Where does Tony Park stand on it?
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 5: Well? My thing is as long as you continue to
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 5: have some of the same rivals play one another, you know,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 5: still regularly like they would, and they'll skip out on
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 5: years and things like that, then I'm perfectly fine with it. Look,
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 5: we saw this in the NFL. I'm not going to
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 5: be the staunch fighter against some of the realignments. It's
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 5: going to come a cost of odd team somewhere or
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 5: something like that taking place. I'm really alright with it.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 5: The majority of those basic rivals are still in place,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 5: right where we like them, right where we want them.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 5: So I don't think there's anything too heavy to complain about, right,
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 5: and they'll get into, you know, geographical connections and all
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 5: of that. But I don't mind the Yankees and the
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 5: Mets in the same division. I don't mind the Phillies
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 5: and the Yankees in the same division. I'm perfectly finding
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 5: the Cubs and Socks. I know there was one of
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 5: the proposals that had them in the same division, which
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: I think would make that city on fire. You know,
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 5: the biggest thing is this, are we going to create
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 5: something that's great for the game overall? And it's the
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 5: overall thing is a plus. I don't get into the
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 5: splitting hairs of what my preferences would be. We watched
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 5: it with the NFL when they expanded to thirty two
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 5: and did the divisions the way they did, and what
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 5: Seattle moved from the AFC to the NFC, and it's
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 5: turned out really well. And you know what, I think
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 5: Major League Baseball would have success with it too.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: So I don't know how much you pay attention to
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: horse racing. We had the Kentucky Derby is not going
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: to race in the Preakness, right, no Triple Crown pursuit
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: this year, and there's there's something going on where you know,
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: there's a conversation because the quick turnaround is what the
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: horse trainers don't like. Okay, so let's move these races
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: back a little bit, give a little bit more rest.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: And it's just it's it's messing with the traditional timing
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: of a sport that is steeped in tradition. And I'm like, Okay,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: I don't care one way or another. I don't follow
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: it close enough to care one way or another. But
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: we have these conversations with other sports. NBA basketball, too much,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: too little? Could you move it forward? Could you move
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: it back? We're talking about it in college football right now.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: The coaches want the season to be over by the
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: second week in January. Is there a certain place timing
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: for any event in sports that you just you don't
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: want to see change, whether it's New year six, New
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: Year's Day, college bowl games, whether it's Opening Day in baseball?
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: Is there is there a timeline that cannot be messed
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: with in your mind?
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Rose Bowl, New Year's Day? Okay, you know, And
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 5: I'm not the I'm not the one that you have
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 5: to go by the traditions because it's always been this
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 5: way for whatever reason. That's one that I'm like, man,
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 5: New Year's Day the Rose Bowl, I don't care if
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 5: you make it a semi final. I don't care what
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 5: you make it. New Year's Day the Rose Bowl is
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 5: it's just special. I mean, you know, you've been around
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 5: this game a long time. That's one that I just
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 5: never want to see messed with. The Other one is
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 5: I really don't like Friday nights being messed with. I
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 5: think that should be left to high school football only.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 5: I think that's so special, like so even like, and
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 5: I get it college games will be on a Friday,
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 5: but that's one where I'm always like, gosh, man, it's
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 5: just there's something I want with that game left alone there.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 5: I'm always the one that like trying to think if
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 5: there's any other. Oh, I think Green Bay and Chicago,
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 5: the Bears and the Packers just with their originality and
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 5: their history that they should obviously always be in the
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 5: same division, but they should always have open roof at
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 5: any football game that they're in that's a home game.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, So if the Bears, if the Bears.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 5: Put together a new stadium, I'm cool if you want
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 5: the roof, but when the Bears play, the roof has
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 5: to be open concerts, whatever, Final four, do whatever you
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 5: want with it. But when the Bears are at home,
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 5: if they're indoors, there's something about that that's just not
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 5: going to sit right with me. Sending with the Packers.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 5: I even like the Packers, but I love Landbeufield. I
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 5: love the history. There's something about those two and the
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 5: beautiful history of the game that I don't want them
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 5: on turf and I don't want them with a closed
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 5: roof and the dome, and I just don't want it
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 5: to ever feel like arena football when those two teams
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 5: get together.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: Is there any I know your schedule is prohibitive in
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of this, Is there have any interest for
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: Tony Parks in World Cup soccer coming in a month?
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 5: You know, I'll always keep an eye on it. Yeah,
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 5: I always keep an eye on it, especially since they
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 5: have games during the day. I've watched a lot of
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 5: EuroCup in the past, and then you know, yeah with
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 5: the World Cup, sure, absolutely it's great. Just keep an
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 5: eye on, have it on in the background. I used
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 5: to really get into it in previous decades and stuff
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 5: and watch the Women's World Cup as well, So yeah,
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 5: I'll have my eyes on it.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: Tony, have a great call tonight and until the next
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: time we talk to you. Always appreciate your thoughts, my friend.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 5: Hey man, love it. Always enjoy coming on. Thanks for
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 5: having me.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: We'll see it.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: Tony Parks, is your voice for the Salt Lake Bees
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: on the road in Oklahoma City tonight? When does the
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: next Bees home stand here?
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 5: Let me.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: Solbes, I believe SLBs dot com when we get another
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: Dirty SODA's game, That's what I'm looking for. I need
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: to get out there. We've got Oklahoma City this week
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: until Sunday and Tuesday the twelfth, they are back at home.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: That'll be a El Paso Chihuahuas visiting a six thirty
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: five first pitch. Tuesday night, it's Holmes Home family Night.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: That's four seats for forty bucks with the Salt Lake Bees.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: And then uh, Dirty Sodas will be the night the
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: next night, right Wednesday. Wednesdays are Dirty Soda Nights. Yeah, oh,
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: wait a second, wait a second. The thirteenth, fetch some
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: unforgettable moments and bring your furry friend to the ballpark
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: at America First Square. We got a bark in the
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: park situation. Rocky would love. I have to take a
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: rock in the park. He would absolutely love it. Rocky
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: is just a sucker for attention. So you take him
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: where there's a bunch of people who are gonna be like, Oh,
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: I pat him. He's loving life.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: Lean right in the whole crowd and knock everybody over.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 3: Fill time you pet him, you feel all of his weight.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: Try to sit on your lap, even if you're standing.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he leans on. He leans on. He doesn't want
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: to have to support his own weat his own weight.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: He wants you to do that for him. Shout out
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: to Rocky. He's not in studio today, so you're not
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: gonna see him on the camera. Yeah. I wanted to
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: bring him in, but uh, you know, we had the
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: Huntsman mental health conversation. We're gonna actually touch on that
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: a little bit here in a minute, and uh, you
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: never know people are going to be comfortable with Rocky
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: being there slobbering on him. James has to deal with it.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: You know, whether I'm comfortable or not, it doesn't matter.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 3: That's which I'm It's fine. I can we get Can we.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: Get to that next? Is that all right? Can we
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: do that? Yeah? It's an important thing in whatever profession.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: You're in. It's obviously massively important in sports, and it's
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: thankfully come more into the forefront for conversation and for
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: thought on the highest levels and even on the micro levels.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: But we'll get into a little mental health discussion next
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: on the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred and ninety
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: twoe FM.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: Your tunes about Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Chevrolet
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  Speaker 1: Studio of ESPN seven hundred at ninety two one alf M.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Sean O'Connell Show here on ESPN seven hundred
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: ninety to one f N, taking a break from the
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: unimportant stuff, which is, of course sports that we all
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: enjoy so much, to talk about something that's a lot
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: more significant to our culture, to our society, and hopefully
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: to all of us personally. Miranda Barnard is here, the
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: president of Huntsman Mental Health Foundation, and look we've got
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: a lot to talk about. Miranda. First of all, welcome,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: how are you.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 7: Thank you, I'm doing great, Thanks for having me here.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna we're gonna try to We're gonna try
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: to boil it down the broad strokes. I know what
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: you guys are doing is so significant, we don't have
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: time to get into every little bit of it, but
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: just just tell us a little bit about what the
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: Huntsman Mental Health Foundation is up to right now.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So, the Huntsman Mental Health Foundation raises funds and
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 7: awareness for all of the work that happens at Huntsman
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 7: Mental Health Institute. So that's their clinical care, research, community programs.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 7: Everything that the institute does, we help fund.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 5: And the.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: We talked about the foundation and kind of the main
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: mission before you know, the new facilities we're opening and
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: things like this, but just to give people kind of
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: a broad understanding of maybe some of the services provided
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: to the community, if you don't.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 7: Mind, Yeah, well, Huntsman Mental Health Institute they staff the
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 7: nine eight eight number, so if anyone calls, texts or
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 7: chats for help any time of the day, someone from
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 7: the Institute is standing.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: By ready to help.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 7: And then a program we're really excited about that just
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 7: started is the new Crisis Care Center. It's in South
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 7: Salt Lake. Anyone can walk in any hour of the
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 7: day and without an appointment, regardless of inability to pay,
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 7: and get help for mental health issues that they're experiencing.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 7: Right then and there.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: That's so significant. That's so important as we have learned
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: more and in sports obviously becomes much more part of
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: the conversation as well, like it has in society. But
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: for people to be to have access in those moments
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: where I mean it really is an emergency a lot
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: of times and they they're feeling desperation or hopelessness or whatever.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: To have access and to not worry about, well, is
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: my insurance going to cover this? Such an incredible service.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it really is. It's a real luxury honestly to
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 7: have that here, and the facility itself is really beautiful,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 7: so it looks warm and welcoming. In fact, you know,
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 7: speaking of sports, we just had Michael Phelps, the Olympian,
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 7: just stop by and visit us there a few weeks ago,
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 7: so he was in town and wanted to tour it
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 7: just because it is such a special place that a
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 7: lot of other communities don't have.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: When you see somebody of that status, whether it's a
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: you know, an actor, a musician, a celebrity, a sports
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: figure open up and show some vulnerability and talk about
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: maybe some of their own mental health struggles or even
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: just show advocacy for people. Maybe because of a family
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: member or something like that. How significant is that for
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: the work that you all are doing.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a really big help. We want to make
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 7: sure everyone knows, you know, regardless of their background or circumstances,
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 7: they can ask for help when they need it. We
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 7: know that one of every two people in the United
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 7: States are going to qualify for a mental health diagnosis
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 7: in their lifetime. So that tells us every single household
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 7: in Utah is essentially impacted by mental health. It's okay
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 7: to ask for help, and now you know, when people
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 7: ask for help, we want to make sure that they're
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 7: able to get it.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: I think when at least when I think of mental
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: health crisis, right, my brain immediately goes to like things
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: like severe depression. But it's not just that, right, I mean,
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: mental health is such a broad and all encompassing sort
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: of term, anxiety adhd OCD. I mean, you could keep
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: going down the list, but really, you guys have something
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: for everyone.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we do.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 7: You know, Substance use is another big driver of mental
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 7: health needs, and Huntsman Mental Health Institute has some really
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 7: great programs and resources to help people with that as well. So,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 7: just like you said, it's anything someone might be struggling
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 7: with they can get access to help through the Institute,
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 7: and I.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: Imagine that fundraising is pretty critical to keeping these efforts going.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, mental health care, especially really great quality mental health care,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 7: is very expensive to provide, so our fundraising goes directly
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 7: to helping support people get that kind of help that
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 7: they need. It also helps support a lot of the
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 7: research that's happening at Huntsmon Mental Health Institute. They're really
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 7: leading the world in many cases on a lot of
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 7: the studies they're doing that will lead to better treatments
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 7: for people all over the country, but especially right here
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 7: at home.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: We've got the Hope for Mental Health radiothon coming up
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: on May twenty ninth, and we get to be part
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: of that. But tell us more about it.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we're hoping people just tune in and listen throughout
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 7: the day. They get to learn a lot about the
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 7: work happening at Huntsman Mental Health Institute, a lot of
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 7: the resources available to them, and then ways that we
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 7: can all help, whether that's just sharing information about resources
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 7: available or if they can become a monthly donor. That's
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 7: something we're really excited about launching. It's our new monthly
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 7: donor program. As low as nineteen dollars a month, people
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 7: can make a big difference, and they can go to
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 7: your brain as beautiful dot org that helps share some
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 7: information and then they can also see the amazing shirt
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 7: that they get for being a monthly donor.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: This is maybe an unfair question to ask you on
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: the spot here, but I've been fascinated as someone who
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: is in contact sports basically for their whole life, about
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: you know, CTE, the effects of CTE, the behaviors that
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: manifest themselves as an after effect of CTE. And we're seeing,
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: you know, the Boston Brain Bank has been so important
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: and people are donating and we're finding out more. Does
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: there is there ever any crossover between what Huntsman Mental
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: Health is doing and some of these these larger initiatives
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: that maybe we're more familiar with in the sports world.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so so. Hunts My Mental Health Institute
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 7: has a lot of resources for whatever concerns people might have.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 7: If someone is suspecting they might be struggling because of
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 7: a CTE situation or something related to that, they can always,
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 7: like I said, walk into the crisis care center anytime
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 7: of the day in South Salt Lake. We also have
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 7: a new youth crisis program that just opened again twenty
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 7: four hours a day. Anyone can walk in with kids
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 7: as young as five and all the way through high school.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 7: So that is a really great resource too, even for
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 7: younger athletes and students or just anyone who needs some help.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: And we were talking before we turned the mics on here,
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: but you know, you're a mom, you have kids that
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: are kind of in that right, that age demographic where
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff is really kind of coming
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: to the floor.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and something I think is really encouraging.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 7: You know, I'm a mom of teenagers, teenage boys, and
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 7: getting to hear how they and their friends talk about
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 7: mental health is really encouraging. I think kids, especially younger
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 7: boys and men, are getting more comfortable talking about needing
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 7: help sometimes and it's totally fine. And we want to
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  Speaker 7: make sure that when people are, you know, courageous enough
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  Speaker 7: to ask for help, that there are really great places
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  Speaker 7: for them to get it, like Huntsman Mental Health Institute.
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  Speaker 2: It's good to hear that your boys are even having
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  Speaker 2: those conversations. I remember when I was sixteen, seventeen years
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  Speaker 2: old that wasn't a thing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, same for me.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't talk to your coaches about it, you didn't
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  Speaker 2: talk to your friends about it, you didn't talk to
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  Speaker 2: anyone about it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, and I do see that changing. You know,
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  Speaker 7: people are more comfortable talking about it. I see that
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  Speaker 7: just in my own home with my boys and their friends.
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  Speaker 7: And we want to make sure that everybody knows that
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  Speaker 7: it's fine to talk about it's fine to ask for help,
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  Speaker 7: and it's really important to do that and then to
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  Speaker 7: be there to support one another as they're getting help.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's great that we're making those changes as a society,
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  Speaker 2: and it's wonderful that we have resources like those provided
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  Speaker 2: by the Huntsman Mental Health Foundation right here in our hometown.
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  Speaker 2: What's the website again? If people want to get involved today, Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: They can go to your brain is Beautiful dot org.
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  Speaker 7: And they can also visit us at HMHF dot org.
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  Speaker 2: That's even the website name is fantastic. I know.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we love that.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: This is a nice little reminder, especially if you're having
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  Speaker 2: thanks for coming in and sharing this with us today.
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  Speaker 2: you at the prospect of Preakness moving back a week
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  Speaker 2: to accommodate Kentucky Derby winners.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know what that sentence means, so I don't care.
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  Speaker 9: As I've said before, this is a sport where the
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  Speaker 9: It's not a sprained ankle. Look, there's no way Porter
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  Speaker 9: swears that the horses love this endeavor.
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: There's no way that's true. That is absolutely true.
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  Speaker 9: What if I told you, hey, guess what, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 9: sign you up for a sport there's gonna be a
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  Speaker 9: skeevy weirdo sitting on your back smacking your ass. And
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 9: if you sprain your ankle working, I'm asking the wrong guy.
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  Speaker 9: And if you sprain your ankle, we're gonna blow your
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  Speaker 9: brains out. It's not a spray, it's a broken legs.
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  Speaker 2: Still, Let them live. Why are we killing them if
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: they break their leg? Have you ever seen a horse
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  Speaker 2: trying to hobble around on a broken leg? Let them heal?
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  Speaker 2: The legs don't heal. What if we did that to humans?
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  Speaker 9: What if you went to the doctor it's like, oh, sorry,
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  Speaker 9: I thought it was a sprain, it's broken hold still boom.
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  Speaker 2: What if we gave horses cell phones?
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  Speaker 9: They couldn't use them exactly, Like, it's a totally different animal.
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  Speaker 9: I am anti killing things after they break a leg.
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  Speaker 9: Gonna I'm gonna die on this hill. I think it's inhumane.
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  Speaker 9: I think it's rude.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I was using it as a jumping
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  Speaker 2: off points too. There's like we're messing with the timing,
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: or we're thinking about messing with the timing of a
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: lot of things in sports. Yeah, and the Preakness is
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: kind of the silliest one because the Kentucky Derby winner
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: is not even trying to win a triple crown. It's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's too soon. We don't want to run that race.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, wait, what they've you're doing it for hundreds
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: of years. Why don't you want to do it? And
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: she's just like, nah, it's too soon. It's quick turnaround.
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  Speaker 2: And now there's like some people who want them to
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: push the races back and whatever. But we're also doing
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: this with college football. The coaches want the season to
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  Speaker 2: be done the second Monday in January. Some people, myself included,
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  Speaker 2: think you should move it forward even further than that.
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  Speaker 2: What is an unimpeachable, unchangeable don't touch this timing in
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  Speaker 2: sports for Spence checkets March madness. The excuse me? The
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  Speaker 2: NCAA tournament you can't. You can't call it February madness.
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  Speaker 9: You cannot, nor should you, because it's played in March,
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  Speaker 9: and that's when the season ends. And spring is probably
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  Speaker 9: my favorite time of year because we're finally getting out
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 9: of the winter doldrums.
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  Speaker 2: We finally get serious basketball. Baby animals everywhere.
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  Speaker 9: Broken legs, blowing their brains out. The masters. We start
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  Speaker 9: to hear the piano music for the mask I know
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  Speaker 9: you're a huge master.
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  Speaker 2: I'm enough to tell you you'll see me watching any
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: tournament besides the one at Augusta, nash Oh, no, I'm aware.
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  Speaker 9: But March madness college basketball year in and year out,
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  Speaker 9: unless we have like if the Mammoth we're playing for
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  Speaker 9: the Stanley Cup, or the Jazz were playing for a championship,
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  Speaker 9: or the Olympics are here or something. If it's just
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 9: a regular year, the NCAA tournament's my favorite thing on
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 9: the on the calendar.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I got bad news for you because they're expanding
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: to seventy six teams and they're gonna have to start
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: messing with the timing a little bit. No they're not. Yeah,
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: we're talking about No, they're gonna have to. It's gonna
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: go from seventy six to one hundred and twenty eight
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  Speaker 2: and then they're gonna be like, we gotta start.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 9: In the last week of February. Now, you're just making
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 9: things up February madness. That's not how it's gonna get madness.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 9: You have not looked into this. It's the same dynamic.
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  Speaker 9: They're adding a couple of more playing games as all.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 9: It's gonna be the same.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: It is silly. It's a good one, though, March Madness
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: is genuinely it's a really good one. I asked Tony Parks.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: He said, the Rose Bulls gotta be on New Year's
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I think you're right, it's gotta be
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: New Year's Day. But if it means we can move
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: it to like the day after Christmas and get the
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: season over with by January fourth, then maybe maybe we
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: can move it.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 9: Well, I'm all, I'm all in favor of what the
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 9: coaches have proposed for the calendar changes.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: I like, starting the season. Are we gonna have a
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: weak minus one? We are? Okay, well that's a little
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  Speaker 2: you seem got Zilla minus one. By the way, I
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  Speaker 2: have not good movie.
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  Speaker 1: I have not.
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  Speaker 9: I didn't even know that was a thing. Just start
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 9: start the week, you know, start the season the same week.
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 9: And I'm all for ending it because then you get
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 9: into this convoluted like thirty day window, and then if
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 9: a coach gets fired, it's thirty days after that. Like
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 9: I don't know, man talking with it. I know it's
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 9: college basketball. They're talking with Alex Jensen a couple of
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 9: weeks ago. It's the number one thing in college hoops
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 9: that they feel like they need to get fixed, Like
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 9: we all need to be on the same calendar, under
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 9: the same guidelines, following the same rules.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: Well, that's something that it's my only like pushback against
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: the the changes that the coaches have proposed. I don't
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: know why they proposed them, and obviously it's far more
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: salient to their life than it is to mine. But
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: we are doing a lot of these things. We're bowing
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: down to the the power of the transfer portal, Like, hey,
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 2: we got to get everything out of the way so
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 2: that two week period we could treat with the proper
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: attend It's like, man, we're really reshaping a lot of stuff,
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: even a full tradition, based on the whims of these attorneys,
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 2: which right, again, I think it's probably unavoidable, so I'll
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: get on board with it. But it just shows you
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: the power of the changes that only came into place,
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: what's six years ago now.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 9: Well, and the other thing is, no matter what they do,
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 9: we're going to run into issues that will inevitably bring
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 9: other conversations to the table, like the Brendan Soresby thing.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 9: You know, a lot of people, a lot of conversation
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 9: around Texas Tech is, well, they should be able to
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 9: go out and find his replace. I know they have
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 9: Will Hammond. Obviously we know here that he's a pretty
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 9: good player. But you hear a lot of people are
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 9: but wait a second, Jake Rhetz laugh, he got you
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 9: know the by you think transferred to yeah, And so
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 9: a lot of people are saying, Okay, well we fixed
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 9: a loophole that some people weren't crazy about. But you
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 9: can't prepare for your starting quarterback to get god, you know,
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 9: for what Soresby got got from, or.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: Or maybe you could have prepared for it, because even
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati knew about it, and it seems like maybe Texas
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: Tech did too. Well.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 9: If it's not that, it would be something else, right,
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 9: Suddenly a quarterback or one of your key players gets
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 9: in trouble doing something else, and then the conversation will be, well,
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 9: we should be able to go out and find a
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 9: replacement for him, because it's not our fault that he
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 9: got loose doing this, that or whatever.
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not listening to that though, I mean, do you
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: do believe in that argument? Because no, no, no, it's
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: not your argument. I know that, But it's like if
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 2: if your NFL quarterback gets injured or suspended, you don't
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: just get well, we should also have we should go
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 2: find another Tom Brady there, you can make a trade.
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: Do you want players? You want teams to be able
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 2: to then send other players away. I actually think at
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: some point we're going to be there. I'm dead serious.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, we will because it'll be Devin
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 2: Dampier in a second round pick for Bear Bachmeyer. Just
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 2: just prepare for those transactions.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 9: My point and bring that up is no matter what
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 9: you bring to the table, there's no perfect solution. You're
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 9: just gonna have to do the best you can to
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 9: alleviate as many concerns as possible and then say this
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 9: is the deal.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 2: Yea, this is it.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 9: And to use the pro sports parallel, there's a window
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 9: for free agency and there's a trade deadline. So if
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 9: a quarterback gets hurt after the trade deadline, you're left
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 9: calling Philip Rivers to make sure he hasn't had his
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 9: thirteenth kid in his twelve twelfth bud light of the day,
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 9: to make sure that maybe he can still play football. Like,
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 9: your options aren't great at that point, but there are
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 9: still options out there. And in the landscape of college
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 9: football right now, because of the loopholes they've closed, Texa
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 9: Tech is going to season with the quarterback room they have,
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 9: which by the way, is totally fine, might not be bad.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 9: I mean there's still a heavy favorite to win the
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 9: conference because Will Hammond gets healthy.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: It's just like, oh cool, so you've got a four
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 2: star quarterback who's played against an elite defense in won
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 2: a game for you. Did you see their even money
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: in Vegas?
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 9: Texas Tech is even money to win the Big twelve
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 9: even after the Sarsby news even money. You want to
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 9: win fifty bucks, you put fifty bucks on.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 2: That's actually that actually shows a lot of belief in
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 2: what they brought in to replace David Bailey, Romelo Height,
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: Jacob Rodriguez. I mean that defense is not just to
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 2: cast the characters that you're supposed to be able to
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: slap together. I will say, though, I thought the same
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: thing with last year's defense. All these guys are all
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: free agents. You can't get them pulling on the same
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: rope that fast. And then that might be that that
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: might be Joey McGuire's best trait as a coach. I
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 2: don't know his exes and o's. But getting free agents
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: to work together quickly, Yeah, takes a certain amount of leadership,
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: and he did a great job of it well.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 9: They had the number one rated transfer portal class in America.
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 9: Part of that was soresby right. But and the biggest
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 9: gap of all the conferences right now to win the conference.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: The biggest gap is the big twelve. Tech is on
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: it even money.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 9: Utah is two, by the way, plus six hundred, and
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 9: then DYU is three at plus six fifty. The other
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 9: conferences the gap is much smaller. Texas Tech is by
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 9: far the most overwhelming favorite in college football to win.
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 2: To win a conference, bear Bachmeiert plus sixty five hundred
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: to win the Heisman or Devin Dampier at plus eight thousand,
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: where you put in your hundred bucks. Neither. If I
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: have to Devin for the Home of the Utes, come on,
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: I'll be but neither. I'll keep the hundred bucks. Just
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 2: not happening.
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 9: I heard you talking about this a little bit yesterday.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 9: The sad reality is no one in this conference is
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 9: competing for a national championship. Right No one in this
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 9: conference is competing for a national championship or a Heisman Trophy,
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 9: Like it's not I'm sorry to burst the bubble with
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 9: people around here. Like every time Utah gets off to
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 9: like a four and oh start and Tyler Huntley hasn't
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 9: thrown a pick, it's like hashtag Huntley Heisman.
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: It's like, don't don't do that.
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 9: You're people up here for ridiculous expectations because it's just
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 9: not reality.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: It just wasn't. A Heisman trophy is more likely than
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: a national champions I would agree with that. Yeah, you
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 2: have to go. We just got an Outland Trophy for
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: the first time. Did James just throw a Tai debtmer
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 2: out there? Yes? Wow? Was that nineteen ninety one? Did
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: you say yesterday?
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 9: The last Big twelve national champ was Colorado in like
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 9: ninety whatever.
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 2: That was the of the teams that are in the
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 2: conference currently in the conference. Yeah, I was nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: Colorado Buffaloes, and then before that it's by U nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty four, right, there might there might have been those, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because Oklahoma was the one before that. No club was
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  Speaker 2: no longer in the conference. Yeah, there was Nebraska Texas.
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  Speaker 9: But of the teams that are in the conference, Colorado
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  Speaker 9: in the nineties.
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  Speaker 2: Geez, yeah. I mean one poll gave Utah national championship
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  Speaker 2: after a good point, you know, two thousand and eight seasons.
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  Speaker 9: So and I believe voted Utah's the number one team
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  Speaker 9: in the country after that year.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right? I mean, if you just beat Alabama
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  Speaker 2: and everyone else says you're number two, it's your responsibility
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  Speaker 2: as the head coach to say, actually, we're number one.
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  Speaker 9: I had no problem with it, but it's a sad
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  Speaker 9: reality that a national championship is. It's like the World
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  Speaker 9: Cup for the US men's national team. Jurgen and their
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  Speaker 9: old coach is a German guy. We're winning that way, Sean,
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  Speaker 9: I'm sorry, We're not. We are, okay, more likely the
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  Speaker 9: US men's national team wins the World Cup or Texas
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  Speaker 9: Tech wins the national championship.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Texas Tech winning a national championship is more likely,
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  Speaker 2: but neither are ever going.
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  Speaker 9: So I remember again, I don't have to tell you
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  Speaker 9: as a soccer historian, but when Jurgen was the coach
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  Speaker 9: of the US men's national team German guy, he was asked,
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  Speaker 9: will the US ever win the World Cup? He's the
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 9: coach of the team, and he's like, no, it was
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  Speaker 9: the most German thing ever. It was just like this
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  Speaker 9: German like what what is? And you know, the American media,
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  Speaker 9: because Americans, we believe in things that we can accomplish
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  Speaker 9: that are completely, uh, you know, out of the realm
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  Speaker 9: of possibility, because we created a republic out of thin air,
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 9: and you know, religions are started with certain creative storylines
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 9: and ultimately, given time, people believe in it and suddenly
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 9: things are created. So we believe we can do things
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  Speaker 9: that really we shouldn't believe we can do. We are
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 9: a country built off of delusional confidence. So the American
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  Speaker 9: media was like, did you just say that we're never
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  Speaker 9: going to win a World Cup? Aren't you the coach
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  Speaker 9: of the team. It's like, yeah, it's never gonna happen. Sorry, wow,
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  Speaker 9: And he's not wrong, that's the problem, and we're not
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 9: wrong that no one in the in the Big Twelve
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  Speaker 9: is going to even be close to winning the national championship.
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 2: By the way, did you know that there's a World
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 2: Cup game the night that we arrive in Dallas for
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 2: the Big Twelve media days? Is it a US game? No? No,
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: it's a real Well might you think it's not going
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 2: to be a US game because you don't believe we'll
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  Speaker 2: even make it to the knockout round. It's a sixth
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 2: it's a round of sixteen. We have a chance to
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 2: make it to the knockout round. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: They could be a US game, then Spence. So it's
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 9: a knockout game, knockout game. So what you're saying is
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 9: me you Alonso Soccer Sports Bar, World Cup watch party.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, we're going to Jerry World baby way
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  Speaker 2: the game is there?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you're missing the point. I had no clue. Wait,
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  Speaker 2: I can get us tickets on the sixth. Okay. Media
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: days are on the seventh and eighth.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, I'm gonna get us tickets and then submit an
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  Speaker 9: expense report.
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 2: For those so you can get free tickets, and then
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 2: you're going to charge the company the secondary ticket ticket
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: any market ticket value.
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  Speaker 9: Correct, I'll get free tickets and just remember I said
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 9: submit the expense report. Yeah, I don't think anything. Nine
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 9: months later you'll get paid. I've had these handed back
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 9: to me before you Here you go. No, no, I
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 9: was unaware of that dynamic. I would love to go see.
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  Speaker 9: I've never seen a World Cup game.
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 2: I have not seen a World Cup game either, Well,
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 2: I've seen a rugby World Cup game worth it, that
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  Speaker 2: was awesome.
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  Speaker 9: I'd like to experience a World Cup game before I pass.
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  Speaker 9: I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. Weird, Well,
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  Speaker 9: it's every four years. So like, let's say I live
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  Speaker 9: another forty years, I only have like nine or ten chances.
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  Speaker 9: I'm forty eight, seoan, I'm not. I'm not a spring
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 9: chicken anymore. You'll make it to your nineties.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to. Okay, okay, Now
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: let me ask what do you want to die? Slowly? Like,
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 2: do you want to be underwell? Nobody who answers that
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 2: question with a yes.
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  Speaker 9: Well, then when's the last time you saw an eighty
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 9: eight year old? Like that guy's in great shape. They
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 9: do respect to if you're in your eighties and doing well,
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 9: good job. My experience is as folks age into that stage,
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 9: the final portion of the existence doesn't seem to be
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 9: all that awesome. Like if I'm in a spot where
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 9: some well, if I'm in a spot where somebody is
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 9: feeding me meals and taking care of me, if I
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 9: need to use the restroom, just broll me off the
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 9: grand canyon. Dude, I'm good. I don't need to be
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 9: hanging around for that interesting way to go. Well, you
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 9: wouldn't feel anything. I want to go quickly, I'd be
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 9: I would you want to be surrounded by Kendling the
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 9: Girls for ten years?
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I want I want to be put
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: into a scenario where a wild animal takes my life.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 9: Well, I hope it doesn't break its leg and I
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 9: fight it out. Oh wait, you want to go out
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 9: heroically like fighting a bear?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and then like my grandkids find me my
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: carcass grasping a bear claw you know that I've ripped
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 2: out of its hand or a tooth that's gone, you
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. Then they make a necklace out
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 2: of it and it's a great conversation piece.
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 9: What if it just slits your throat and you die
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 9: without any fight? That's not how bears do things?
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 2: So good?
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  Speaker 9: Try How do you know that because I've don't they
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 9: have claws? Yes, if they just clawed your throat, that's
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 9: not how they kill things. Well how do they kill things?
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 9: They pin them down and they bite the back of
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 9: their neck and they I thought the remnant the bear
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 9: just clawed Leo right.
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 2: No, wasn't that a bear? Yeah? Also didn't that's a
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 2: bad example because he didn't die. He didn't die. No,
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 2: I never saw the movie. Great loose Cross talk today.
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 2: Hang in there. If you're in your eighties, we love you.
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 2: They tune for the drive. It's the shatt O'connall show.
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 2: Freaking Chicken had seven D and nine to ap