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Speaker 1: It's time for Chucking Buck's weekly visit with former NFL
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Speaker 1: and I ninety near the stadiums Now with Gene Sterotor.
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Speaker 1: Here's Chucking Buck.
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Speaker 2: Ah. Yes, time to chat with Clean Jean Sterotur right
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Speaker 2: here on Chucking Buck in the Morning. Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 2: three point three KJRFM. Ashley Ryan is here, Bucky Jacobson,
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Speaker 2: Chuck Powell, and we now welcome one of our favorite guests,
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Speaker 2: Jeene Sterotur, CBS rules analysts, and the greatest NFL official
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Speaker 2: you've ever known, is with us right here on the program.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, sir, Good morning Chuck, Clean Gene. I think
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Speaker 3: maybe I did a little extra behind the ears today.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that we were wondering in our last segment,
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Speaker 2: did you have any childhood nicknames? Because people named Gene
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Speaker 2: when I grew up just immediately got called mean Gene.
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Speaker 2: And I can't imagine that anyone, even a six year
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Speaker 2: old would have thought six year old Jean Sterotor was mean.
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that.
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Speaker 3: I can't say. Probably there's a couple out there in
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Speaker 3: grade school that might want to say that. Unfortunately we
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Speaker 3: can't go back. And you know, if you've seen my profile,
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Speaker 3: there were definitely a few nicknames. It probably had to
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Speaker 3: do with that, uh that Italian nose, the Roman one
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Speaker 3: that's Roman all over my face, you know.
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Speaker 4: So you know that was that was a hook nose
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Speaker 4: for a while. It's okay, you know, I mean the
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Speaker 4: things as children that we thought were hurtful and demeaning
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Speaker 4: sometimes end up in our badge of honor, as we
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Speaker 4: did older.
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Speaker 3: So you know that, Yeah, we'll go with that one.
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Speaker 3: Soas redhead and the clean jan thing Bucky that makes
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Speaker 3: me good. But yeah, were you freckle face?
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Speaker 5: But oh well you can just imagine I mean, redheaded,
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Speaker 5: freckle faced guy with a name Bucky. That rhyme's buck
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Speaker 5: et rhymes with a lot of bad words, chucky, sucking, chucky. Yes,
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Speaker 5: there's I'm talking about Ducky. That is a bad ducky,
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Speaker 5: the one I didn't get called that more than one
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Speaker 5: church with a uh yeah it was.
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Speaker 6: It was a treat.
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Speaker 5: Great school was, But you're right, it's a Badge of honor.
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Speaker 5: Now exactly, look.
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Speaker 2: At the two of you. Now you've made it, you two.
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Speaker 2: We couldn't be more proud.
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Speaker 3: Of one of us.
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Speaker 6: Has Gene.
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Speaker 3: I have to live through the Gong Show though when
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Speaker 3: it was you know, Jean Jeane the Dancing Machine, So
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Speaker 3: you know I did. I lived through that when I
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Speaker 3: was kind of a middle school we thing. I think
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Speaker 3: with that show went out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bucky doesn't remember me Jane Dance. Yeah, Buggy doesn't
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Speaker 2: remember mean Jeane the Dancing Machine.
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Speaker 5: I remember mean Gene Oakerland from the w w F
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Speaker 5: back in the day.
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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, well, let us uh dance our way
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Speaker 2: through a few of these plays that we saw over
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Speaker 2: the weekend, and I want to start with a all
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Speaker 2: hometown play because they are about fifty plays that if
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Speaker 2: they went the other way, maybe we win that game
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Speaker 2: against the Los Angeles Rams. But one certainly comes to mind.
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Speaker 2: We had a touchdown taken off the board ken Walker
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Speaker 2: ran in for the score. Remember we lost by two
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Speaker 2: points in that contest. And so we had our analyst
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Speaker 2: Hugh Millan on yesterday. He said that that hole that
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Speaker 2: was called on the edge by collar Up could be
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Speaker 2: called on every single play. What did you think of
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Speaker 2: that play? Should that touchdown have been overturned?
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Speaker 3: That's a tough play. I thought Greg Olsen did a
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Speaker 3: really great job on the broadcast breaking it down as
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Speaker 3: quickly as he could. And some aspects from a player
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Speaker 3: standpoint in him being a tight end, you know what,
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Speaker 3: I think the plays designed. He stock blocks right in
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Speaker 3: the beginning, right and the opening or the hole that
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Speaker 3: I think based on the way the blocking started was
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Speaker 3: for that was for Walker to kind of cut off
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Speaker 3: his right shoulder on the inside of him, and it
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Speaker 3: was more of this steal block on that in that
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Speaker 3: regard right to try to just sort of kick out
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Speaker 3: to open up that area, and then naturally Walker bounces
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Speaker 3: it out. And now he bounces it out to the perimeter,
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Speaker 3: and the defensive player naturally seeing him, you know, through
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Speaker 3: through the block starts then to try to shed the
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Speaker 3: block and get to the outside perimeter. So now you
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Speaker 3: have a blocker who is in a position where maybe
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Speaker 3: leverage changes rather quickly because of where the back bounces,
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Speaker 3: and now you see restriction and that falls in that
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Speaker 3: delicate place right at the point of attack, right when
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Speaker 3: Walker gets to that element or that block, and now
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Speaker 3: the restrictions outside of the frame. So listen the defense
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Speaker 3: of someone saying, yeah, are they grabbing like that on
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Speaker 3: every play? Yeah, they do grab like that within their
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Speaker 3: frame as it relates to the point of attack, all
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Speaker 3: those elements. But now when the defensive player is trying
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Speaker 3: to shed you, he gets outside of your frame, he
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Speaker 3: beats your feet if he's rushing through you. That's when
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Speaker 3: these elements of yeah, they're grabbing every place they are,
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Speaker 3: but they're not holding. And now when I'm restricting you're
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Speaker 3: outside of your frame and it's a point of a
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Speaker 3: top restriction there, then that does tighten things a little,
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Speaker 3: and then there is that advantage and disadvantage that rises
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Speaker 3: to a level where it has a direct effect on
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Speaker 3: the play. Those are the breakdowns that really should take place.
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Speaker 3: You hope they take place. I think in some of
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Speaker 3: our past interference calls over the week, those elements didn't
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Speaker 3: take place really to the negative side of the officiating
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Speaker 3: portion of it, or to be critical a little on
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Speaker 3: that end, But those are the things you need to process, right,
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Speaker 3: and I think when you learn that craft and can
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Speaker 3: process in those moments for those reasons, the game gets better,
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Speaker 3: and quite frankly to me, that's a hold, right, that's
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Speaker 3: because of the things that I lined up. But that's
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Speaker 3: the art of officiating.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got Keen Gene Sterotur with us here of
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Speaker 5: dropping his knowledge.
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Speaker 6: I am.
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Speaker 3: I am interested.
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Speaker 5: You know, I'm one that's about sportsmanship, and I'll stand
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Speaker 5: on that one. I'll die on that hill.
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Speaker 6: I like it.
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Speaker 5: And yet there's times, right, we talked about how many
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Speaker 5: pumps is legal and whatnot, and then you know, there
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Speaker 5: was no last week, no pumps, no pumps. But I
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Speaker 5: think there was somebody that pumped on the ground or
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Speaker 5: something this week. I don't know about that. I'm just
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Speaker 5: going to say, yeah, right, you can't do that. Horizontal
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Speaker 5: pumps are definitely illegal. But yeah, Trey McBride. Then the
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Speaker 5: Arizona Cardinals Niners game, he ends up doing something I
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Speaker 5: think you know, typically every single catch for a first down,
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Speaker 5: the receiver or tight end has to now point in
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Speaker 5: the direction that they're going for a first down. And
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Speaker 5: yet he did it kind of while wiping his nose,
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Speaker 5: and they threw a flag. Is there Is it illegal
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Speaker 5: to get a cold in the NFL now or is
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Speaker 5: there something to that that I'm missing?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bucky the swipe the nose swipe, which I have
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Speaker 3: learned over the course of these last two years as
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Speaker 3: it became a little more predominant and didn't really understand
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Speaker 3: it from a generation or whatever reason. The nose swipe
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Speaker 3: itself is an act kind of like when we started
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Speaker 3: seeing the lifting of the jersey, right, it wasn't really
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Speaker 3: showing a weapon, but it was a brandishing. The nosewipe,
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Speaker 3: from what I've been told, and it's really just from
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Speaker 3: seeking information, is something that is done to check to
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Speaker 3: see if you're still breeding basically, right, So now I've
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Speaker 3: put my finger under the nose, there's no I don't
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Speaker 3: feel any breathing. You're you know, okay? So within that realm, right,
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Speaker 3: officials get put into these I don't like to say
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Speaker 3: that there are difficult positions from officials because this information
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Speaker 3: is disseminated throughout the league. We have major tape film
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Speaker 3: discussion on these for the right reasons. I know, the
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Speaker 3: public things, Why are we wasting our time with all
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Speaker 3: of this? Look, we all know the millions and millions
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Speaker 3: of people at all age levels watch these games, and
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Speaker 3: little subtle messages that some of us, because of our
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Speaker 3: age or where we are, doesn't mean anything, but they're profound.
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Speaker 3: That's information where the coaches, the players, the officials, all
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Speaker 3: the stakeholders. There are serious conversations because of this messaging,
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Speaker 3: because of our platform. So we do stress that. Look,
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Speaker 3: we understand this might be subtle, but this is a
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Speaker 3: message that's more profound than just this reaction and a
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Speaker 3: game to amongst competitors. It's not permitted. And that was disseminated, right,
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Speaker 3: I mean, that was all done, shared, agreed upon, and
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Speaker 3: then you're in the heat of the moment the reaction
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Speaker 3: takes place and you saw how he did it. It
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Speaker 3: was very subtle. This was not like that was the
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Speaker 3: definitive part of his celebration. It was a quick notes
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Speaker 3: ripe that turned into a first out right. But okay,
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Speaker 3: get more creative. The first album looks really great. I
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Speaker 3: love seeing to do first down with emphasis like that.
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Speaker 3: Don't point at your opponent, but let's go man, that's
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Speaker 3: a big play. It pumps to up. It's great for
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Speaker 3: the game. Get the other piece out of it, though,
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Speaker 3: Find something else more creative to do it, and if
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Speaker 3: you can't, then it's a foul. I'm sorry. That's just
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Speaker 3: the way you have to work things sometimes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I like the process. I like that
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Speaker 2: you have to make those decisions. I feels like I've
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Speaker 2: seen that so many times and it's not being called.
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Speaker 2: But maybe it's college that I've seen it where it's
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Speaker 2: not called. But but you're telling me that consistently. That's
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Speaker 2: a you can't do that gesture call in the NFL.
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Speaker 3: Yes, okay and message and really honestly in defensive college too,
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Speaker 3: it's there as well.
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Speaker 6: Okay.
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Speaker 3: That's the other dynamic that we all, I think, have
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Speaker 3: to embrace. Right when you're down on that field, then
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of bodies moving in and out of you.
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Speaker 3: In a camera from half way up the stadium, it's
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Speaker 3: an amazing zoom lens in four K. It catches two
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Speaker 3: seconds of something that quite frankly, you just might you know,
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Speaker 3: it's a human condition. I didn't see it amongst the
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Speaker 3: trees or something to that effect, but if you see it,
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Speaker 3: we need those called, and we need them taught, and
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Speaker 3: we need the that call toure to continue to embrace creativity.
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Speaker 3: But understand this beautiful platform they're on college athletes you
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Speaker 3: know as well, And I think that's just the gist
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Speaker 3: of it.
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Speaker 2: Lean Jean Sterotor is our guest here on Yeah, here
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Speaker 2: on Chuck It Back in the Morning, a segment every
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Speaker 2: week brought to you by BMW Seattle. All right, let's
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Speaker 2: get to the most controversial play maybe of the weekend,
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Speaker 2: and that was the Sunday Night Eagles versus Lions PI
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Speaker 2: call at the end of the game where Chris collins
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Speaker 2: Worth just natural reaction because I do think he takes
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Speaker 2: care of the officials a little better than Akman and
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Speaker 2: some others, just natural reaction. That is a terrible call.
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Speaker 2: I felt, It feels like most people felt. Man, those
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Speaker 2: two have been hand fighting the entire game, and you're
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Speaker 2: going to choose now, with the game on the line
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Speaker 2: to call that TICKI tac fowl, which I don't even
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Speaker 2: think is PI at any time during the game. What
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Speaker 2: did you make of that call on Rocky Scene versus
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Speaker 2: AJ Brown at the end of Sunday Night's contest.
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Speaker 3: You're right, You're just right right. It's not enough for
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Speaker 3: a foul. It's not consistent with the way that the
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Speaker 3: game is efficient. And not to say that I want
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Speaker 3: I think that's a foul at any time, as you
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Speaker 3: just said, And then therein lies kind of what I
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Speaker 3: prefaced a little earlier. Right, there's a teaching level of
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Speaker 3: all of this. When I'm defensive back is engaging with
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Speaker 3: the receiver and we have two great athletes that are
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Speaker 3: basically hand fighting, we call it a snuggle into a
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Speaker 3: hand fight, into a back and forth. I think at
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Speaker 3: times some officials are thinking subconsciously, if he does this
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Speaker 3: next thing, it's going to be a foul, right, And
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Speaker 3: your brain is prepping you in some ways that way.
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Speaker 3: And I think there's value to prep your brain in
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Speaker 3: a different way by saying when two players like that
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Speaker 3: are engaged in hand fighting, that is not creating an
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Speaker 3: advantage of disadvantage. Rather than thinking, well, if he does this, now,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to get him, you should think now that
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Speaker 3: they decided to both do that, and we used to
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Speaker 3: call that both players happy to be there, okay, and
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Speaker 3: they're not really taking a major advantage out of each other.
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Speaker 3: What it really has allowed, as opposed to not what
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Speaker 3: they can do, is it allowed either player, especially the
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Speaker 3: offensive player, in that situation where the defense decided to
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Speaker 3: engage in hand fighting. It's allowed me this five to
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Speaker 3: ten percent of action to get you off of me.
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Speaker 3: So a subtle push out of a hand fighting situation
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Speaker 3: is okay, that's football. Those are athletes. That's in space.
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Speaker 3: If I'm not touching you at all, that same subtle
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Speaker 3: separation as you're closing in on me legally without engaging
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Speaker 3: with me should become a more profound separation then, so
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Speaker 3: now it should be worked a little more technical at
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Speaker 3: that point. These layers that happen that we get to
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Speaker 3: dissect frame by frame and say how terrible they are
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Speaker 3: are the things that training and repetition and seeing these
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Speaker 3: plays in real time and understanding how to break them
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Speaker 3: down I think allows for what is what the rules
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Speaker 3: are intended for, right. I mean, that's the goal. But
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Speaker 3: you must engage players and allow them to do things
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Speaker 3: when they are happy to be there, when they're making
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Speaker 3: athletic plays. It's to hook around the waist on a
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Speaker 3: player coming from behind a receiver that then puts his
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Speaker 3: arm around the receiver of his waist, doesn't hold him back,
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Speaker 3: doesn't take a step away, doesn't keep his hands down,
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Speaker 3: and that defensive player gets that other hand around in
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Speaker 3: front of him and knocks the football down. That's a
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Speaker 3: great football play that's not automatically past interference. If he
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Speaker 3: turns him if he restricts him in a different level
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Speaker 3: after that, Now it's risen to that elevation. These are
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Speaker 3: easy things to talk to you like this and break
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Speaker 3: down on a film and show them frame by frame.
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Speaker 3: It's once another element when you're out there. You've got
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Speaker 3: to process these things kind of in your brain like
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Speaker 3: I'm kind of doing now, and do it at a
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Speaker 3: high level. That's what puts you in that space, right,
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Speaker 3: I mean, these are the best of the best, So
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Speaker 3: figure that out or move back down to a different
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Speaker 3: level where we don't need to figure that out. Because
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Speaker 3: little Billy who's fifteen can't put his arm around the
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Speaker 3: receiver without turning him. So it's a flag in high
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Speaker 3: school almost every time because they're dis quite frankly, might
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Speaker 3: not be good enough to do it right. I mean,
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Speaker 3: that's the growth. You don't want it happening on this stage.
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Speaker 3: And that's really the gist of it. But you're right,
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Speaker 3: it's I don't think it's the top.
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Speaker 5: Jeane the gene, he's so good at it. I mean, Geane,
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Speaker 5: there was the Broncos Chiefs game. You were working that
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Speaker 5: game and there was a couple of plays and neither
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Speaker 5: one of them got called and yet I'm kind of
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Speaker 5: curious from the standpoint of can you recognize when it's
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Speaker 5: there's a flop going on, because that's got to be
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Speaker 5: I mean to me was there was two plays very similar,
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Speaker 5: one for each team. I think it was Thornton or
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Speaker 5: Throckman or a receiver for Kansas City had caught one
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Speaker 5: kind of a contested ball. He had done a little
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Speaker 5: bit of the offensive push off, created some separation. The
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Speaker 5: dB for dem kind of flopped and fell like it
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Speaker 5: did push him off balance, but he completes the pass,
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Speaker 5: gets up, runs for a little bit. Then the almost
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Speaker 5: a game ceiling one with Troy Franklin. He does a
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Speaker 5: little push off as well, and the defender doesn't get
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Speaker 5: doesn't fall down out of it. I'm wondering if there's
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Speaker 5: somewhere where you recognize, Okay, there might have been a
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Speaker 5: little bit of a push off, but you're trying to
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Speaker 5: embellish it, and does that make it less likely or
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Speaker 5: more likely that you're going to throw the flag?
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Speaker 3: I think my basketball officiating, quite humbly and honestly, Bucky
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Speaker 3: I thought, helped me be able to dissect that a lot.
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Speaker 3: Because I was working for major college basketball games throughout
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Speaker 3: the week before my NFL weekend. So again back to
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Speaker 3: seeing plays getting constant repetition on was that an offensive
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Speaker 3: file that he really separated? He flopped right that little
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Speaker 3: piece in there where you try to apply that those
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Speaker 3: are feels and I think when you're really seeing it
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Speaker 3: from beginning to end. One other little tidbit kind of
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Speaker 3: in that regard. Right when you see a receiver get
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Speaker 3: to the top of his route and that dB is
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Speaker 3: close to him, and now he pushes off at the
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Speaker 3: top of that route just as he starts to break out,
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Speaker 3: when a defensive bat goes backwards two or three quick
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Speaker 3: steps after that separation, ninety nine percent of the time
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Speaker 3: that is not embellishing because he doesn't want to try
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Speaker 3: to just trick the rest right there, right. He doesn't.
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Speaker 3: He still wants to win on this play. So when
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Speaker 3: you see a DD go back like you can tell
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Speaker 3: that momentum put him back one two steps, and then
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Speaker 3: he plants and tries to get back and close on
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Speaker 3: the play, your spider senses will tell you there was
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Speaker 3: a lot there because he's not just going to bail here.
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Speaker 3: He was too close to being in making a play.
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Speaker 3: Then we get to the pieces. I think that maybe
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Speaker 3: you're describing and I saw those, and that is is
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Speaker 3: this athlete that good? And yes they are to realize
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Speaker 3: at this moment, I can't make a play. I can't
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Speaker 3: get back. My only alternative now is potentially to do
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Speaker 3: what you said, Buck right embellies this and see my
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Speaker 3: last hope is this because I couldn't get back as
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Speaker 3: an athlete to get into the place. So let's try this.
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Speaker 3: I used to hate when they would run sweeps to
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Speaker 3: my side as a referee, and I saw that edge
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Speaker 3: Russia get beat and he's getting a little restriction and
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's enough. And as soon as the
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Speaker 3: back goes around him, he throws both of his hands
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Speaker 3: up in the air, and you would think, gosh, this
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Speaker 3: is going to be one where the grater is going
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Speaker 3: to tell me that that's enough for a hole right
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Speaker 3: at the edge, and the hands up in the air
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Speaker 3: is going to draw the attention to the evaluator. So
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Speaker 3: you write that play up and you let them know, Look,
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Speaker 3: I watched this in real time. This is what I felt.
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Speaker 3: Though you continue to do what you want to do.
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Speaker 3: It a great but yeah, I think there's pieces of that.
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Speaker 3: And then to be critical of myself. I think because
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Speaker 3: of the flopping and my basketball years, I was the
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Speaker 3: worst running into the kicker referee maybe in the history
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Speaker 3: of football, because every time that under gut touch, you know,
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Speaker 3: he was doing the pirouette and the fall, and I
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Speaker 3: wanted to give him a yellow card. And I was
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Speaker 3: reminded many times Coach arians a few and heated discussions
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Speaker 3: letting me know that running into the kicker is also
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Speaker 3: a five yard penalty. And I said, I know, Coach,
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Speaker 3: but he flopped and he goes, I understand that, but
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Speaker 3: he still did run into him. And I would kind
18:22
Speaker 3: of look after being you know, disrobed for thirty seconds,
18:26
Speaker 3: and agree with him and say, you know, you're probably
18:28
Speaker 3: right it was running under the kicker. But we're going
18:30
Speaker 3: to go off for TV right now, and well, you
18:33
Speaker 3: can yell at me about something else in about another
18:35
Speaker 3: twenty minutes, but no, I agree. See, I think that's
18:38
Speaker 3: what I think. That's again, these are these nuances that
18:43
Speaker 3: we want officials as they climb the ladders, to be
18:46
Speaker 3: able to put into their craft. And it's not an
18:51
Speaker 3: easy thing. It's hard as hell to do this, but
18:55
Speaker 3: you've got to be able to process those elements. I
18:57
Speaker 3: think buck to live in that space and be really
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Speaker 3: good at it.
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Speaker 2: Espresso Bean Jean sterretur right here on the radio program Express.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it just taps in a little bit of
19:12
Speaker 2: the Italian heritage right there. Yeah, yeah, well we'll say,
19:17
Speaker 2: I mean, the tush push isn't going to go anywhere.
19:19
Speaker 2: We'll have to for time reasons, save that for next week.
19:23
Speaker 2: But it is getting very interesting that tush push. I mean,
19:26
Speaker 2: everybody's angry every single time that a play is called
19:29
Speaker 2: for a toush push on both sides of the ball.
19:31
Speaker 2: It's getting rather fascinating and I can't wait to get
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Speaker 2: your thoughts on it. But we'll have to save that
19:36
Speaker 2: for next week. Sir, Thank you very much for joining us.
19:39
Speaker 2: We appreciate it. And I won't see you. I won't
19:42
Speaker 2: be on the show next week. I'll be taking some
19:44
Speaker 2: time off. So happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
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Speaker 3: Happy Thanksgiving, and I'm sure we'll have a little tush
19:50
Speaker 3: and a little push to talk about even after seven days.
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Speaker 3: So that's the best teams of the week. What is
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Speaker 3: waiting for a little toush push? I fell begga, Jean,
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Speaker 3: you have a great Thanksgiving thanks.
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Speaker 3: A proud mom.
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Speaker 2: There you good job, buddy, Everett FITZI will be with
20:34
Speaker 2: us next. Speaking of proud moms, I think he's spending
20:38
Speaker 2: the night in his old bedroom tonight as he calls
20:41
Speaker 2: the Red Wings kracking game on kJ R.
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Speaker 1: You know, Big made it.
20:46
Speaker 2: Made a make success out of himself, going back home
20:50
Speaker 2: to call a Red Wings game. Probably slept in his
20:52
Speaker 2: old sheets. Is Miguel Cabrera bed sheets? Last night at
20:57
Speaker 2: mom's house. She probably made him his favorite breakfast. And
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Speaker 2: now eleven thirty Detroit time. Probably just walking the streets
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Speaker 2: of Detroit right now, saying hello to the nicest people
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Speaker 2: in America?
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Speaker 6: Ain't you proud?
21:13
Speaker 3: Yeah?
21:13
Speaker 6: You know these don't leave me.
21:17
Speaker 7: Good Morning's proof that man's in a good mood. You know,
21:25
Speaker 7: like my, my, my steps, a little peppy or whatever.
21:29
Speaker 7: You know, you come back to the city that made you.
21:32
Speaker 7: At dinner with my mom last night, big al and
21:34
Speaker 7: Mama fits and at dinner last night.
21:37
Speaker 3: So it was fun.
21:39
Speaker 6: It's been a good couple of days.
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Speaker 2: Did you take him to Tommy's bar?
21:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, this doesn't ask.
21:46
Speaker 6: No, no, not the sun.
21:48
Speaker 5: Well if you do, tell Tommy, we said, hi, yeah, exactly,
21:54
Speaker 5: I'm picturing use this guy with cecil Fielder bed sheets.
21:57
Speaker 6: By the way, Oh, I.
21:59
Speaker 7: Was so growling up. I was a really big Tigers
22:04
Speaker 7: and Pistons fan. So I had like the Grant Hill
22:06
Speaker 7: poster and like the old Bobby Higginson posters in my room. Wow,
22:13
Speaker 7: Damien Easley, Tony Clark, some of those old nineties Tigers
22:18
Speaker 7: who could barely win sixty five games like those, those
22:21
Speaker 7: were the.
22:22
Speaker 6: Teams that I fell in love with.
22:25
Speaker 7: They had a big Ernie Harwell a little sign in
22:28
Speaker 7: my room as well.
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Speaker 2: So I actually have a Bobby Higginson story. I had
22:32
Speaker 2: an ex girlfriend who I lived with, who had apparently
22:36
Speaker 2: dated him, and she had a Toledo mud Hens jersey
22:40
Speaker 2: from him. Yeah uh, and I ended up taking it.
22:44
Speaker 2: Like not only was I not threatened. I want a
22:47
Speaker 2: mud Hens jersey. I'll wear this, you know what.
22:50
Speaker 6: I appreciate that because I've had a few of my.
22:53
Speaker 7: Favorite T shirts and sweatshirts taken from me in previous relationships,
22:58
Speaker 7: So it feels good to see someone took one back
23:01
Speaker 7: for the team.
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Speaker 6: I appreciate it all.
23:03
Speaker 2: And you don't love him, right, all right, you're you're
23:04
Speaker 2: moved on from him, and then just let me have
23:06
Speaker 2: his jersey. Yeah, all right, Well let's talk some cracking hockey.
23:11
Speaker 2: I mean, it has been a couple of minutes since
23:14
Speaker 2: we last chatted with you, and they've had a couple
23:17
Speaker 2: of nice wins over the Jets, the Sharks, who they
23:21
Speaker 2: struck a little revenge with nine goals over two games.
23:25
Speaker 2: I gotta believe that even without Joey Decord, they've built
23:28
Speaker 2: about as much offensive momentum as they have all season
23:31
Speaker 2: long heading into this game tonight.
23:33
Speaker 6: Yeah, who said this team couldn't score? Right?
23:36
Speaker 7: And you get one goal in three of your previous
23:39
Speaker 7: four games and then you explode for five and four
23:42
Speaker 7: and again, I think we've been taking this all year long.
23:46
Speaker 7: Lane Lambert has been saying, you stick with the program,
23:49
Speaker 7: you stick with that discipline and the offense will come.
23:52
Speaker 7: And I think every game he's laid down a challenge
23:55
Speaker 7: to this team, whether that's shoot the puck more. He
23:58
Speaker 7: even said it after the Columbus game. You know, I
24:01
Speaker 7: would like this these guys to be a little bit
24:04
Speaker 7: more selfish, right. I know it flies in the face
24:07
Speaker 7: of a lot of what we hear in hockey, but
24:09
Speaker 7: be more selfish.
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Speaker 6: Take that shot. I still think we're looking for that
24:12
Speaker 6: perfect seam pass. We're looking for that perfect shot. Just
24:16
Speaker 6: put pucks on that.
24:17
Speaker 7: Well, they listen in the Winnipeg game, you get five
24:20
Speaker 7: and then they rinse and repeated against against San Jose
24:24
Speaker 7: for four. So you know, we'll see if that continues
24:27
Speaker 7: on the road. But I will say very encouraging positive
24:32
Speaker 7: signs in the last two games. You pick up another
24:35
Speaker 7: statement win against Winnipeg, you exact some revenge against San Jose.
24:40
Speaker 7: Ten players get points in that Winnipeg game. I think
24:43
Speaker 7: eight players had points in the San Jose game. So
24:46
Speaker 7: now you're seeing the depth offense come. You're seeing the
24:49
Speaker 7: offense come, and now we'll see if they can they
24:52
Speaker 7: can keep it going here in Detroit.
24:54
Speaker 5: Well Grooby filled in nice for the injured Matt Murray,
24:58
Speaker 5: I mean, is Groovey back and are we feeling okay
25:02
Speaker 5: about the whole Matt Murray uh decord situation.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think Grubauer, I mean, he is playing some
25:10
Speaker 7: of the best hockey that I think we've seen from
25:13
Speaker 7: him since that playoff year. Right, everyone loves to talk
25:16
Speaker 7: about playoff groovy and and what he did during that run,
25:20
Speaker 7: and you're starting to see, you know, quote unquote vintage Grubauer. Again,
25:24
Speaker 7: Matt Murray did not make the trip for Seattle, so
25:29
Speaker 7: it's Grubauer. Joey de Coord is on the ice right now.
25:32
Speaker 7: He's getting those first reps. It looks like he may
25:35
Speaker 7: be starting tonight. So yeah, that that, at least from
25:39
Speaker 7: from what I'm reading in the tea, leaves the morning
25:42
Speaker 7: skate here today and then that practice yesterday. He took
25:45
Speaker 7: a lot of the first reps in practice yesterday. So
25:48
Speaker 7: I it would it would appear to me that Joey
25:52
Speaker 7: to Coord is going to be back tonight. We'll see
25:54
Speaker 7: officially here after morning skate. But you know, Grubauer, I
25:58
Speaker 7: think working with our new golden coach, Colin Zulianello, you know,
26:02
Speaker 7: he's had to really colinize has had to really manage
26:06
Speaker 7: this three goalie system, and and you know, there's all
26:11
Speaker 7: types of egos that go into it, and that's not
26:14
Speaker 7: a negative thing. But what he's been able to do
26:17
Speaker 7: keeping all those guys ready to go, fresh, ready to play,
26:20
Speaker 7: Matt Murray has been playing very, very well. Philip Grubauer,
26:23
Speaker 7: we've seen now back to back games, including one in relief.
26:27
Speaker 6: You now have three very.
26:31
Speaker 7: Viable options in goal for Seattle, which is in a shortened,
26:35
Speaker 7: you know, tight season like we're going to have this
26:37
Speaker 7: year in terms of back to backs and and you know,
26:41
Speaker 7: games every other day, you're going to need your goalies going.
26:44
Speaker 7: And I think right now that three goalie system is
26:47
Speaker 7: proving that it's working.
26:48
Speaker 2: He's colonized him, is what he's done. Colonized him. Fits
26:53
Speaker 2: you is with us the voice of your Seattle crack.
26:55
Speaker 2: And they face the Detroit Red Wings tonight four pm.
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Speaker 2: They will drop the puck three. He's pretty pregame right
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Speaker 2: here at Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
27:03
Speaker 2: We did talk about the offense earlier. I mean, it's
27:06
Speaker 2: a natural thing for fans to get excited about the future.
27:09
Speaker 2: Players talk about Niemen and cat and and right and
27:14
Speaker 2: even Venier is still a young player. But it's the veterans,
27:17
Speaker 2: it's Schwartz and Everly that have really stepped up here
27:20
Speaker 2: recently for this team.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, they have, and I think you know that that
27:25
Speaker 7: also comes with the type of coach that Lane is.
27:29
Speaker 7: I think Jordan having played for Lane on Long Island
27:33
Speaker 7: with the Islanders for all those years, he.
27:36
Speaker 6: Knows what to expect out of him.
27:37
Speaker 7: Jayden Schwartz, this type of system fits his game. You know,
27:42
Speaker 7: he wants to be that power forward. He wants to
27:45
Speaker 7: go to the net. He wants to get his hands
27:47
Speaker 7: dirty and get into the mix and get into the fight.
27:51
Speaker 7: So this type of style, I think, especially for those
27:54
Speaker 7: two fit well.
27:55
Speaker 6: And you're almost seeing you know how.
27:57
Speaker 7: We recorded our latest episode back Weekly, which is up
28:01
Speaker 7: on the Crack and Audio Network podcast channel right now.
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Speaker 6: But he gave his his three stars of the.
28:06
Speaker 7: Week two quote unquote the old guys, but in Schwartz
28:10
Speaker 7: and Everly, because you know, even though they're they're among
28:14
Speaker 7: the elder statesmen of this team, you're.
28:16
Speaker 6: Seeing how valuable and how important they are.
28:19
Speaker 7: You're they're leading by example, and then you know it
28:22
Speaker 7: doesn't take you long to look up and down the lineup,
28:25
Speaker 7: guys like Tyke Krtie and Ryan Winterton, you know, doing
28:28
Speaker 7: things that Everly and Schwartz are doing because they're they're
28:32
Speaker 7: leading by example. So those are the two guys that
28:36
Speaker 7: you need to get going because when they're going, everyone
28:39
Speaker 7: else sees that everyone else follows suit.
28:41
Speaker 6: And that's what's happening right now.
28:43
Speaker 3: All right.
28:43
Speaker 2: So, well, they're not the steviee Eiserman Sergey Federal fred
28:47
Speaker 2: Wings that little grew up with, but they do seem
28:50
Speaker 2: to be improved. Give me, I only got about thirty seconds.
28:53
Speaker 2: Give me a thirty second scouting report on the Red
28:55
Speaker 2: Wings here tonight.
28:56
Speaker 7: I mean, the Red Wings are a team that they
28:58
Speaker 7: need to take that next step. We got a lot
29:00
Speaker 7: of really young, talented players. They've got two players in
29:03
Speaker 7: their lineup this season that have been contributing.
29:06
Speaker 6: That are in their NHL debut season.
29:08
Speaker 7: So this is a team that they rely heavily on
29:11
Speaker 7: Dylan Markin along with Alex to brink it. But they
29:15
Speaker 7: also have some good young pieces, very much like a
29:18
Speaker 7: San Jose in that they're young Anaheim as well.
29:22
Speaker 6: They're young, they're talented. They have a couple of vets
29:25
Speaker 6: who've been.
29:26
Speaker 7: Around the block, But it's for the most part, it's
29:28
Speaker 7: the young players that are leading this team. They've narrowly
29:32
Speaker 7: missed the playoffs the last couple of seasons and they're
29:35
Speaker 7: trying to get back to the playoffs for the first
29:37
Speaker 7: time and I think ten years, so that's unheard of
29:39
Speaker 7: around these parts.
29:40
Speaker 6: So this is not going to be an easy game
29:43
Speaker 6: by any means. For Seattle.
29:44
Speaker 2: Have fun today, have fun tonight, have fun with mom
29:47
Speaker 2: if you get to see her again before you have
29:49
Speaker 2: to head out of town. And we will talk to
29:52
Speaker 2: you next week, all right.
29:54
Speaker 6: All right, fellas Ashley, take care, we'll talk to you
29:56
Speaker 6: all right.
29:56
Speaker 2: Ever fits you the voice of your Seattle crack and
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30:12
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30:17
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Speaker 2: All Right, Rick New I's gonna join us at the
30:38
Speaker 2: top of the hour. Nine o'clock. Also, the old judge
30:42
Speaker 2: is gonna stand by today at nine thirty. Speaking of
30:44
Speaker 2: later today, Josh Naylor will be reintroduced to his fan base.
30:50
Speaker 2: He will have a press conference today. They have already
30:53
Speaker 2: officially signed the papers, but they'll talk about it today
30:56
Speaker 2: and then it'll feel even more official. It'll feel official
31:00
Speaker 2: or your official ear. Yeah, yes, but I feel the
31:04
Speaker 2: official elyst that it has felt so far. Yes, and
31:08
Speaker 2: then tomorrow it'll be the mostest official to hear it
31:12
Speaker 2: right out of his mouth versus just believing that he
31:15
Speaker 2: signed a contract.
31:16
Speaker 5: Right because I don't believe everything I read on the internet,
31:19
Speaker 5: unlike some I do not.
31:21
Speaker 2: Do you believe my crystal Ball predictions? Do they think
31:23
Speaker 2: they're all going to come true this year?
31:25
Speaker 6: No?
31:26
Speaker 5: But you've nailed the first one. I mean you didn't.
31:29
Speaker 5: You hadn't written it yet, but we had spoken about that.
31:32
Speaker 5: You thought they were going to do. The nailor things
31:33
Speaker 5: are the biggest, most important crystal Ball decision. You were nailed.
31:37
Speaker 2: And I think that I think they'll get one of
31:39
Speaker 2: Polanco or Sworez, and I don't think they will get
31:42
Speaker 2: both Polanco Or and Sworez. But uh, I feel good
31:48
Speaker 2: about that my only thing heading into this offseason, and
31:51
Speaker 2: I I couldn't stop it. Just we're resigning Nailor and
31:54
Speaker 2: Polanco and that's it. But there is a chance that
31:57
Speaker 2: we're resigning Nailor and Polanco and that's it. I mean
31:59
Speaker 2: there might not be.
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Speaker 5: There will be other moves made.
32:02
Speaker 2: I mean we even made a move for a lefty
32:04
Speaker 2: reliever prior to the Josh Naylor announcement for goodness sake.
32:08
Speaker 2: But anything of significance, anything that moves the needle. I mean,
32:12
Speaker 2: there's a chance it might just be re signing Naylor
32:15
Speaker 2: and re signing Polanco or Suarez.
32:18
Speaker 3: That might be it.
32:19
Speaker 5: Yeah, well they'll have to do some other small stuff
32:22
Speaker 5: in there, right, which you kind of have a couple
32:24
Speaker 5: and I don't even know if those are small necessary.
32:26
Speaker 5: I mean, if there's if they end up trading some
32:28
Speaker 5: guys that are big leaguers, are close to big leaguers,
32:31
Speaker 5: like Harry Ford for example, No, that would be.
32:33
Speaker 2: A significant Yeah, those I'm saying that I don't I
32:36
Speaker 2: really even do that. I mean I put together in
32:38
Speaker 2: the crystal ball just to have some fun. I put
32:41
Speaker 2: some creative, you know, big ideas in there. But the
32:45
Speaker 2: truth of the matter is, I really don't trust that
32:48
Speaker 2: they're gonna do anything significant, significant beyond resigning Naylor and
32:53
Speaker 2: re signing one of.
32:54
Speaker 3: Those two guys.
32:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I'm with you on that. I think that
32:58
Speaker 5: you know, there they did that tradd with the Dodgers
33:01
Speaker 5: for that young lefty that you know went a ball high,
33:04
Speaker 5: a w a tripley I think this last year, and
33:06
Speaker 5: so maybe he's a guy that turns into a bullpen piece.
33:11
Speaker 5: It's possible next year, but it's probably more of a
33:14
Speaker 5: future type thing. Those are small moves. They're going to
33:16
Speaker 5: do some of those, for sure. Throughout the course of
33:19
Speaker 5: the offseason. I hope that they do more than that,
33:23
Speaker 5: that they try to shake things up a little bit.
33:26
Speaker 5: And in order to do that, they're probably going to
33:28
Speaker 5: have to do some things that they are going to
33:30
Speaker 5: make some people uncomfortable, whether it's moving on from you know,
33:33
Speaker 5: a high priced guy or you know, trading away some
33:38
Speaker 5: big time prospector guy that we were starting to like
33:40
Speaker 5: or can't wait to see.
33:41
Speaker 2: Well, they certainly you are in a position to do that,
33:46
Speaker 2: and that is move a player now. But the first
33:49
Speaker 2: thing's first, Because I believe this organization on its face
33:53
Speaker 2: when they talk about we have financial restrictions. Maybe they
33:56
Speaker 2: are self imposed, but we have financial restrictions. So and
34:00
Speaker 2: Jerry and Justin get done with a regular season and
34:02
Speaker 2: they host a postgame or postseason press conference and they say,
34:06
Speaker 2: we're going to be able to get to start next
34:08
Speaker 2: year with the payroll that we ended with this year,
34:11
Speaker 2: which is a bump from where we were a year
34:13
Speaker 2: ago at this time. I believe them. I believe them.
34:17
Speaker 2: And so if they're going to do anything beyond Naylor
34:21
Speaker 2: and let's say Polonco, let's just go ahead and give
34:24
Speaker 2: us Polonko, they're probably going to have to move some money.
34:28
Speaker 2: And the only two guys that really fit that description
34:31
Speaker 2: are either Randy a. Rose Arena, who's got one year
34:33
Speaker 2: sixteen million dollars left on his deal before he becomes
34:37
Speaker 2: a free agent, and then the other one is Castillo,
34:39
Speaker 2: who makes two years twenty two and a half over
34:42
Speaker 2: the next couple of years. So two years forty five
34:45
Speaker 2: is what's left on his contract, plus a mutual option
34:48
Speaker 2: for an additional year. You're going to have to move
34:51
Speaker 2: one of those guys, if we're to believe on their
34:54
Speaker 2: face they're not going to add payroll beyond what they
34:58
Speaker 2: had at the end of this past season. You're gonna
35:00
Speaker 2: have to move one of those two guys in order
35:02
Speaker 2: to create some other splash move this offseason. Yeah, and
35:05
Speaker 2: even that in and of itself is a splash move.
35:08
Speaker 2: You're moving Castillo or Randy Rose Arena, that's a significant move.
35:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, And yet that's I mean, I don't want him
35:16
Speaker 5: to and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't, just
35:18
Speaker 5: simply because I think what they how they value guys
35:21
Speaker 5: is oftentimes different than how others value them. And yet,
35:26
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that if there's been the idea
35:29
Speaker 5: where they're probing around saying, hey, who's interested in Luis Castile,
35:32
Speaker 5: or there's got to be a lot of teams that
35:33
Speaker 5: would be interested in Luis Castile. But for how much,
35:36
Speaker 5: I mean, do you still consider him a top of
35:39
Speaker 5: the rotation guy. I think he can pitch like a
35:42
Speaker 5: top of the rotation guy. He for the most part,
35:45
Speaker 5: he does have times where he pitches down to his
35:47
Speaker 5: competition a little bit, and all of a sudden, the
35:49
Speaker 5: team that he could you just figure he should be
35:51
Speaker 5: able to maybe not breeze through five innings, but really
35:54
Speaker 5: work five six innings and give you, you know, and
35:58
Speaker 5: and be dominant, like he's capable of still being he
36:01
Speaker 5: didn't necessarily do it. But is somebody else out there,
36:04
Speaker 5: like I'll pay him twenty two million bucks a year
36:06
Speaker 5: to come here and be our third starter.
36:09
Speaker 6: I don't think so.
36:09
Speaker 5: And yet if it's if he would, if you would
36:11
Speaker 5: bring him in thinking he's going to be our ace,
36:13
Speaker 5: then you probably are not in a position where you're
36:16
Speaker 5: really wanting to pay anybody twenty two million dollars at
36:18
Speaker 5: the top of your rotation. You're probably in some sort
36:20
Speaker 5: of rebuild. So it's an interesting situation considering all the
36:24
Speaker 5: moving parts. When you look at the teams, the free
36:26
Speaker 5: agents that are out there, but then the teams that
36:29
Speaker 5: are the guys that are under contract, and how do
36:31
Speaker 5: you move guys around? They just have a lot of prospects,
36:34
Speaker 5: and so I'm hoping that they do something a little
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Speaker 5: bit splashy. I wouldn't mind them not waiting until the
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Speaker 5: deadline to figure out where their hole is and instead
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Speaker 5: trying to address some of them beforehand.
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Speaker 2: But obviously, if you're going to move prospect, you're moving
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Speaker 2: for a player, right Yeah, And so now you're adding payroll,
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Speaker 2: So you got a clear payroll first in order to
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Speaker 2: add payroll.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I understand how you do the crystal ball
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Speaker 5: where you're trying to meld the two between what they
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Speaker 5: typically do and I'm just hoping that there's a shift
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Speaker 5: in what they typically do. This Josh Naylor signing is
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Speaker 5: a bit of a shift. Now, it doesn't change the
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Speaker 5: overall bottom line, but I'm hoping they kind of do
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Speaker 5: all right.
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