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How Detox, Diet, and Mental Health Lead to Lasting Wellness with Dr. David Jockers · Non-Toxic Living

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You can do all the best of nutrition if every single day you're living out of fear that nutrition alone is not going to fix it
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not losing toxins is not going to fix it you got to work on yourself mentally emotionally and spiritually when you smell something
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It goes directly into your brain right has huge impacts right doesn't get filtered out has huge impacts on your neurology
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There's so many benefits to rosemary
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I'm personally neurodegenerative conditions just from smelling
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Yeah rosemary there is three foods that you would tell people to avoid what would that be number one is ultra-process
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Foods in general. Yeah, so there's a difference between process and ultra-process
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You got to get rid of seed oils in general seed oils are gonna be like corn, soybean, safflower, cotton seed, peanut oil, canola oil
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There is some science to back up what you're saying so I love that number three number three is gonna be
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Dr. David Jockers my man my friend my brother how are you today? How's it going man Warren Phillips non-toxic dad great to be here
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I know we go way back like 20 years yeah, and you know great to see you you married my best friend's sister who I knew
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Before you know it back when she was single before she ever met you and you know it's just amazing
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You know how far you've come how far I've come and how God's blessed our lives. I'm doing great. How could it be here?
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Yeah, it's great, man
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I mean just like all things you got into this for a reason
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Yeah, you know, yeah, and your heart's good, you know
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You've always had a great heart. You've always had an eclectic way as well. That's different than most other humans
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And it's very special very unique to you and you've had a quite a massive impact
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On the world with the things that you do your a genius researcher you write your own articles for so many years
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You wrote for health journals and magazines and other people's websites. You're a
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Special human man, and so glad to know you you're an amazing heart amazing family
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You do it right. How did you get into this?
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Why did you become a chiropractor and then yeah, then launch into
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You know social media and all the things that you've done podcasts
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I mean just you just had a really worked hard and yes this guy
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I've never seen someone as is focused and as hardworking as you either like you you have the gifting and in the work ethic
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It's just it's it creates change. Well, thank you for saying that. I appreciate that and you know
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I mean it God leads us in unique directions and so I never thought growing up that I would be a doctor like I never once thought about it
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Never thought I would happen
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My mom actually became a naturopath and so when I was growing up she was a nurse and then she became a midwife
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Mm-hmm, and then she became a naturopath, right? I'm such therapist naturopath so she was constantly studying and she would grow her own food and things like that
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And it's the early 90s. We're on like a macrobiotic diet. We're on like a new diet every every year, you know
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So she was just changing things around you know as a kid
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I used to rebel against it
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But my older brother developed acne all over his face and she would say that's because he's eating all this sugar process chocolate
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And so I started linking food to how I looked and I was an athlete growing up and she would say, you know like my mom would bake
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Lyma beans and kale and stuff like that with macrobiotic diet is if you're not aware of it
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It's super bland. It's like a low fat. I mean it's you and I wouldn't recommend it the only good thing about is it's whole food
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It's whole food based
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Beyond that though the actual nutrition principles aren't what I would what I would recommend
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But what I learned because she would say I would say why do I need to eat this kale and she'd say well
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That's gonna help your energy. You're gonna, you know
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You're gonna be better. I was baseball player gonna be better at baseball gonna be better at basketball when she said those words
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I was like I would eat as much kale as as I need to like pop by exactly like if it's gonna make me better
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I'm gonna eat it. I'll swallow it down
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And so she taught me the food I put in my body is gonna impact my performance in life
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And how I show up in life
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And I always took that with me
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And so when I got into college I became a personal trainer over time
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I got into fitness and
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You know as a as a teenager at first it was just I wanted to look better
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I was always told I was so skinny growing up. So I wanted to put on weight
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So, you know, I was lifting weights trying to eat, you know as much as I possibly could I remember my first nutrition class that I took in
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In undergrad
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We had to count up how many calories we were eating and I was eating like 6,000 calories a day
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Because I was trying to bulk up. Yeah, this is what I needed to do. Can you but but even press that?
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I know right. It's crazy
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And no digestion
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Absolutely. Well, that's what ended up happening
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Yeah, I always had some issues with my gut
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But it really hit the family. I was 21 years old
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And so I was a personal trainer and I was also I also had an evening job working at a grocery store as a stock clerk
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I was going to school at the same time. So I just you know is that working at right?
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This is what you do. Yeah, so I would sleep for you know five six hours
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Right get up and you know personal trainer. You usually see in your clients early in the morning five a.m. Yeah, and back then
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The nutrition knowledge I had I was actually living a healthier
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I guess I I had a healthier diet than everybody I knew
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Because I thought I got to eat whole grains right things like that a lot of things that you know back in
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The 90s early 2000s. This is what we read in men's health right which is what I would I would read men's health
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And they would talk about you know eat tuna fish sandwiches and stuff like that
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I'm gonna eat four tuna fish sandwiches, you know
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And so in the 80s it was peanut butter and jelly sandwiches peanut butter. You got it exactly so
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So anyways, this is what I was doing. I would eat from the first from the time I woke up and I had to have protein shake
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But I went to bed and so I would eat you know eight meals a day and
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And I wasn't sleeping real well, you know, it's pretty stressed right but but working hard, you know
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Being productive and when you're you know, I was living in a sense like an athlete yeah
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And eventually it hit the wall where I developed irritable bowel and so I would have intense cramping in my gut
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I would go for I had orthostatic
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hypotension where I go from sitting to standing and I would get really dizzy. Yeah, yeah
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And so here I was trying to eat all this food and I actually started losing weight
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And so I'm 170 pounds now
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In the best shape of my life at almost 43 years old, okay back then I think I may have gotten up to about 175
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Even eating all those you know calories
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And I actually dropped to start dropping weight went down to about 140 pounds
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And you know like colleagues, you know different people were we're concerned about me
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And this is over about a year or two span. I started losing that weight
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Along that way I realized I need to learn more about nutrition
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And so I started reading some books made some diet changes
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Some of them worked a little bit some didn't okay
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Wasn't actually until I got into graduate school
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Actually went into chiropractic school and that's a whole nother god story
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But I had chiropractors at my gym that I was a trainer at
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And they were like I think you'd really like chiropractic
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I picked up a book on chiropractic and it talked about
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Because really I just wanted to be a lifestyle coach right and this book talked about
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How god designed our bodies to heal themselves right? We need a little healthy lifestyle
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Talked about the spine related to the nervous system. I said this makes a lot of sense
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I want to do that chiropractic principles. Yeah, exactly the interference. That's right
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And so
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Cositional you got it
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And so as I started chiropractic school my irritable bowel symptoms were on and off right I would have good weeks bad weeks
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And so
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Fortunately I was better than you know at at this point I was 22
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Better than I was at 21 right diet was better a lot of things had changed
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They were better, but I still had issues right and when I got chiropractic school
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I met a friend and he said hey
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You should check out this website dr. Mercola, right? And this is back in 2004
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And I read and and he had just put out a book called the no-grain diet. Yeah, and I was like
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Oh, I eat grains like every single meal, right? Like whole grains every every every meal. Mama said
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Yeah, exactly. I mean it's whole grains, right? Yeah, and so I was like well, I gotta I'll try it out
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Right, and so I tried it out and I mean within two weeks. I felt significantly better
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Yeah, and that actually got me to work because a no-grain diet is really a high protein diet, right? It wasn't
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Marketed we didn't even know about ketones back then right, but it was about them
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We knew about its scientific researchers knew about it particularly from their research on epilepsy
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But as far as understanding like there was nobody writing books on ketones
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And the ketogenic diet and so back then you know
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the first kind of term other than
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Then dr. Mercola's no-grain diet was when I heard you and dr. Pompa talking about the cellular healing diet
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And I was like, oh, that's basically what I'm doing
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Yeah, anti-inflammatory does exactly and I read a book called good fats bad fats, right?
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Or fats that heal fats that kill. That's what it was Udo Erasmus, right?
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So I was reading these books as I was starting graduate school
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I love that you'd like know all the book names. Oh, yeah
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These were books authors. I read Jordan Rubens maker's diet. Yeah, right?
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And I met him back in you know 2005. He's become a good friend ever since I know a good friend of yours as well
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But I started reading these books and putting these things in action
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And I saw massive changes in my own life and my own health to where I had 7 a.m. Classes
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I'm going to the top of my class in school
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And so I just saw my brain come alive my body come alive
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I was able to regain that weight my blood pressure stabilized
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I remember it's significantly better. I remember your story. Yeah, remember you we took you out to dinner
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Yeah, after the event and there's Isaac and Dr. Jocker's over there
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You know and still in school and this little genius
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sharing all this information we bought you dinner. Yeah, I remember yeah, you were so thankful and you're so kind and
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Little that I know you know this little firecracker of a human would have the impact that he's having
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Isaac I always knew you know, I mean that guy is
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And he's the head of your like yeah student groups and just leadership qualities through the roof
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I didn't even know we had a sister by the way
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Wasn't until he like invited her back into the states that you know, we had that
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You know energy exchange and I'm like that's gonna be my future wife
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You know, and I we did it right man, you know, yeah, but we got married quick. So yeah
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It's just it's amazing how life shifts so it's so cool like I've always been so proud of your work
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The things that you're doing and the truth that you bring to the world and so many people you've helped because then you open to clinic
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You start helping all this other people with these same, you know with all the information you've read
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Really drilling down running blood work doing all the things. Yeah, right obviously chiropractic as well
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That's right. Do you even have a clinic anymore? You know, I don't so I saw patients for 12 years
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I actually opened my clinic in early 2009
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So I graduated from car practice school late 2008 and opened the clinic on credit cards and actually lived in my clinic
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I remember yeah
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And so I mean it couldn't get a business loan because the economy had crashed right it was at the worst time for our economy
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Last however many years right and I couldn't get a business loan
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But I got like credit cards and like a home refinance loan. I didn't have a home
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But it was really God's way God just showed up and he showed me time and time again. I'm gonna provide for you
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And you know, I opened the clinic. I had a lot of fear a lot of fear failure
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worked super hard
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Overworked right once again exactly there's a theme here and ended up getting sick again. I mean, it's it's an interesting story
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It's a story. I'll definitely share with my kids the level of hustle that I had
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Is admirable but not healthy. Yeah, and so I would I would shower in the gym across the street
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You know working seven days a week and I had a lot of success from the world standpoint
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Right, but inside I was struggling every day. I had this massive fear of failure
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I was lonely and so all of those things took a toll actually developed skin cancer
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And so I was actually sleeping you know non-toxic dad
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So in my clinic we had a power panel in the back right I was sleeping literally right under that and then
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When I started my clinic like eventually we moved to digital x-ray
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But we had a chemical processing x-ray machine in the beginning because it was low cost, right? Yeah
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And so that was my main bathroom that I used right like I had two bathrooms in my clinic
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One was for me and one was for my patients and that was like right next to where I slept
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Was this chemical process or some breathing in these toxic chemicals? I'm sleeping right under a power panel
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They're making me cringe. So whatever you think of EMF's like I think it's pretty obvious
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That's not healthy. That's not a healthy sleep environment
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Not all this research to back. Yeah, exactly. Of course you've read it 100% and so I was setting myself up for some sort
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You know, I wasn't sleeping a whole lot because I was working all the time
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I would binge eat at night now binge eating for me
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Was a lot healthier in most people. I'm not like eating ice cream. Yeah, it's a warrior diet another mccola
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Yeah, yeah, promoter of he's promoted
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I would do intermittent fasting, but then it was like I would eat like
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Ezekiel bread with like coconut oil and blueberries or something
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I don't know it was something that and and for me
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I tend to be gluten sensitive and so it was like I thought oh because it sprouted
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Should be fine. Yeah, it's better. Yeah, it's better. It is better
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It really significantly reduces the gluten content
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But there's too many carbs. It was too much you know for my body type
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Too much gluten and so I ended up developing chronic inflammation that
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Resulted in actually a skin cancer and skin cancers actually but killed my grandfather
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So he had a metastatic melanoma which is basically a skin cancer. I've spread throughout his body
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And actually went into his bones destroyed his bones ended up killing him
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I mean from some time he was diagnosed a time he died. It was five months. Oh my god. I just ravished his whole body
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And I grew up in Florida on the beach been sunburn a lot more than somebody should be so certain risk factors
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I don't believe that melanoma. I don't believe that sunburns are the only cause of melanoma
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I think it's an inside out thing
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But yeah, if you're burning your skin you're not helping yourself right and then that's not a good thing
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And so I was doing that when I was younger interestingly
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I haven't been sunburned since and I get a lot of sun is I think a lot of it has to do with your diet, right?
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It puts a huge role, right? I mean 100% it's oxidative stress and if you have just like anything else
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You can reduce if you're if you're healthier
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Right, I mean you know the signs but for those listening like if you have if you're eating a lot of antioxidants
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You're not going to oxidize. That's right
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So sun and then when you oxidize this is what damages the cell
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You got it exactly and eating all the seed oils and things like that play a big role
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And if you're eating a lot more of the more stable fats
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That's going to be a big factor there and then the antioxidants like you talked about colorful fruits and vegetables
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So
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So anyways
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You know, I developed the skin cancer on my nose
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I never got it diagnosed
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But it was just there time and time again right side of my nose
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And I would look at it in the mirror
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And I was actually telling patients because part of my why story
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Why I got into this is seeing what happened to my grandfather
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Right, he's the one that taught me how to drive
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Giving me my first job is doing doing
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Moving his lawn washing his car when I was a teenager
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So he was a mentor to me right and I watched him die quickly
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And so I'm telling patients you know a few times a week whenever I do a
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Talk I'd be talking about how quickly he went right and he had actually
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In order for that to happen that disease I've been building in his body for years right decades right for it to ravish his system like that
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And so
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I'm telling this story, but I'm looking at myself in the mirror thinking there's something not right here
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And I know like spiritually I knew
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My life is is whacked right now like I can put on a good face or everybody thinks I'm fine
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I'm going to church
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People think on the outside. I'm fine, but I'm not fine. Yeah, like I'm I'm I'm scared of failing
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That's what's driving me every single day like I knew that I was imbalanced and so
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I at that period of time I went ahead I bought a house so I could move out of my move out of my clinic right
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Was walking distance actually believe her not to my to my clinic and I got shower filters right
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Things to help buffer EMFs. I hired another doctor in there
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To help obviously offset some of my stress on my workload
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And so I did things and I actually did a five-day water fast
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And really focused in spiritually because you know what
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You can do all the best nutrition if you're if every single day you're living out of fear
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Right that nutritional loan is not going to fix it
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You know
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Toxins is not going to fix it. You got to work on yourself mentally emotionally and spiritually
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And so that's what I did and over a period about six months that nodule that I had
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Okay, and I had been there for a year growing
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Gradually reduced to where you know now you can barely even see it just a very faded little
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You know basically little scar at this point and you know, I knew I was healed
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And from there I just got even more passionate about spreading this message and and teaching more people
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And so over time, you know, I ended up hiring another doctor and kind of delegating my load and then eventually
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I've always enjoyed the creative element and and so I was writing you you had mentioned how I was writing articles for
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Other websites and magazines and stuff like that even Mercola, right? Yeah, and from Mercola and so all of that in the beginning
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It was it was fun to me like I'm like to me. It was like the idea of like
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Creating something that could be evergreen
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People could see it people could find it and it would add value to people's lives was like
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Wow, this is so cool. Yeah, and and it was it was also helping because I would have clients
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constantly asking the same questions anybody any practitioner knows
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You're gonna get the same questions over and over and over and over again people are like what do I do for my thyroid
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What do I do for this? What do I do for that? I'm saying the same things
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So I just started writing articles on those topics and then I was I would say you know what?
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That's a great question. I'm gonna send you an article, right? So I a little pen and paper at my adjusting base
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And I'm like, oh, okay, Jenny needs the article on thyroid. So I would just write Jenny dash thyroid
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So at the end of the shifts, I would just be sending out articles to my patients and they loved it
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They'd be sending it to their friends. It was actually a referral source, right?
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And I was getting exposure from people all over the world people in Australia
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Israel that wanted to consult with me because they read this and I'm like, this is
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Really cool. Yeah, yeah, and and I just enjoyed the process in fact
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Part of de-stressing from constantly. I'm more I'm an introverted person. So
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I enjoy this kind of interaction. Yeah, but when it's like I'm talking for hours and hours and hours seeing lots of people
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It just stresses me out so part of the de-stressing would be reading books
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Writing articles was actually it would actually help balance me, right?
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And de-stress me and so I'm like, well, what if I could spend more time doing that kind of thing
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That's just made to me like immediately my my heart and spirit was like that's what I need to do
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Yeah, that's that's part of my healing process. I need to go I need to spend more time doing this because I enjoy it
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And I actually want to get it to where like when you're seeing a lot of patients some people are made for that like
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God just put them on the planet
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To be or they're extroverted to be around people to be educating people all the time
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For me, I realized it was a means to an end right and so I started you know gradually reducing
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Hours to where I was like I was seeing patients maybe 10 hours a week and then um I met my wife
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Right just like you we moved quickly got married. I got I got a matter from the time I met her
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To the time we were engaged just four months and four months later we were married
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And then six weeks after that we conceived
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And a few months after that we realized we didn't conceive but just one but we actually had twins. Yeah
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And so yeah, and so we
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I knew her a year and a half and we had two boys, right? We've been married for married for nine months new stressor
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Exactly
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And so I realized you know
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I need to be home as much as I can, right? Yeah
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And we ended up yeah, and we ended up having four kids in five and a half years and it was very stressful
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But it was you know the greatest thing that's ever happened
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Outside of my salvation and in Jesus Christ. It was the greatest thing that's ever happened is marrying my wife
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Having four kids of five and a half years. We got a chance to know each other
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You know good good side ugly side right and work through all of this thing
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Oh, yeah, you know such a blessing and and that when I had my twins
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The first year I realized I need to find something that can be more flexible, right?
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And that was where content creation I realized I'm gonna go all in 100% into this
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And that's exactly what I did and you know for for my online health website
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Like I lived off of my clinic for years and just allowed that to kind of grow
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And um, you know about four years into I think you know anytime you're growing a business
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This is just business advice. It's like it's like a child
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Right like your business is like a like a child
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When you have a child, right? I was just talking to somebody downstairs that has has a 17-month-old
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It's a lot of input right baby
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Yeah, yeah, and smiling. Oh, yeah, it was all over that baby
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Yeah, and so it's like that oh you got to help them with everything
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You know you're changing diapers super cute, but it's like it's all of your energy. It is it's a lot of energy
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And that's first several for a few years, right? And then all of a sudden they start getting more independent
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Right now there's there's a different way of you know a certain way of you got to change your parenting and things like that
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But it comes a little easier like we have our four kids like my my youngest is three and a half now
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And it's like my wife and I constantly look at each other. We're like this is like the easier
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It's not that it's easy because we saw four kids under nine
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But it's like the easiest we've ever had it. So we don't have the baby stage at this point everybody's potty trained
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You know, they're not pooping all over the crib and yeah now people tell me teenage years, but you know
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We haven't gotten there yet. We'll see I'm 13 year old. It's not that bad. Yeah, it's not that bad
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And so with a business
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You know if you really wanted to be successful, there's a lot of energy output in the beginning
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Yeah, okay, and you if you set a good foundation just like with kids
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Man, it gets so much easier as it goes on and so about four four five years in it just started really really taken off
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and
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You know my wife and I we were able to buy a house in an area that we wanted to live in right which is further away from my clinic
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It was about 45 minutes from my clinic
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Um, and it was closer to to family closer to you know Isaac who's my best friend who you both you know as well
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And his family his four kids and we wanted to raise our kids together and
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From there, I was like I just have to sell my clinic because I don't I want to drive 45 minutes
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And if something happens to one of my doctors, you know what I mean
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I've got to go in there every day at that point. I was going in like once a week once every other week
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And so got in the process ended up selling my clinic and just have been really focused on creating great health content
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Through blogs infographics
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podcasting and and YouTube. Yeah, it's amazing content and it's spread all over the world like till you know
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You should you're doing what you're designed to do bro like you yeah
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You're you're a wealth of knowledge
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And speaking of which right let's let's pull out one of these out of you if there is
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Three foods that you would tell people to avoid
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What would that be? Yeah, for sure
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Well, number one is ultra-process foods in general. Yeah, so there's a difference between processed and ultra-processed
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High polyphenol extra virgin olive oil is a processed food
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But I would argue that's one of the best things you could put in your body you can get a grass fed
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You know, no nitrates no chemicals hot dog
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It actually be really healthy. Yeah, still processed still processed right ultra-process would be like
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You're in your lays
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Potato chips right you're all of the
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The things that really you couldn't find in nature
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Right and and you look at it and it's just a bunch of different chemical based ingredients right those are things that we definitely need to avoid
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Um, they're gonna cause all kinds of havoc and drive up inflammation oxidative stress in your body
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So we got to we got to get rid of the ultra-process foods. We got to get rid of seed oils in general
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So seed oils are gonna be like corn, soybean, safflower, cotton seed, peanut oil, canola oil
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Anything that has that in that we got to get rid of right we got to avoid it some flour oil as well
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Yeah, and so there's a better form I have a question like a hyoleic sunflower oil. It's better
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But it's because really there's when when it comes to seed oils
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You definitely want to avoid
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You don't want a lot of these high omega-6 fats in general, okay? So a high oleic oleic acid is a monoinsaturative fat
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Right it's more stable. It's what's the main fat in olive oil and avocados a lot more stable fat than these long chain
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You know polyunsaturative fats that's why I brought it up because it's better
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So to say that in today's environment that
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sunflower oil is the best seed oil I would I would agree you would
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Get in trouble and I and I and I do mention that in videos and I do just lump it all seed oils to avoid the topic at times
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Yeah, but from what I've researched. Yeah, if you're gonna do a seed oil
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Yeah, and there's so many other options
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But sunflower oil
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Hyoleic sunflower oil say if that shows up in a in a product that you like
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And it's maybe one or two products now week
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Unfortunately, they can put in everything but say it shows up in a potato chip. Yeah, um in or organic
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Version would you still eat that potato chip? You know, I think it depends on how it's being utilized right like some companies
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Like there's protein powders that have it, but they're using it to they're not cooking it right?
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So they're using it to kind of like help it flow better right help right the powder actually flow in next better
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And therefore, it's more stable where I can yeah, whereas you're if you're cooking
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French fries or potato chips or something like that in it
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You're completely damaging it and so it's blown oh insaturated probably one of the reasons why it's it's the
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mono saturated
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It's a mono unsaturated mono unsaturated. Yes, but if you're cooking something at a high temperature even a mono unsaturated
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You're gonna damage it unless it has a ton of polyfuel. Yes, right?
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Maybe in olive oil then it can offset
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Exactly, some of that oxygen and then that's cooking in avocado oil and olive oil
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It's okay, but you're
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oxidizing it. Yeah, and yeah, then you have to waste all those phenols right like well
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Then that's what's the super food exactly so don't don't kill it use a saturated fat correct coconut oil the easiest one
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Grass-fed butter. Yeah, hello. Yeah, and so sunflower oil probably the reason why it's the best seed oil is not only can you make it
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High oleic, but also on top of that it has more vitamin E
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Which helps stabilize its antioxidant helps stabilize it so it doesn't go random
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All of those other types of seed oils exactly
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But again, I wouldn't recommend it if it's cooked now. Yeah, I actually would recommend a good quality olive oil
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If you're gonna cook with with something it's not a saturated fat
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Yeah, a lot of people like avocado oil because as a high smoke point, but it has lower levels of antioxidants
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Than your olive oil if you get a good quality olive oil. Yeah, but you're gonna pay more money for the olive oil and so it's like
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You're kind of wasting it'll protect the oil the polyphenols unless you just completely smoke it. Yeah, smoke it
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But it will protect it, but you're also paying a lot for that cooking oil, right? Whereas you can use coconut oil
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You can use tallow grass-fed butter or something like that. It's just a lot cheaper
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There are some individuals maybe with like for example a certain genotype apoi fours that
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tend to do a little bit better on a not such a high saturated fat diet
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But even for those individuals I still recommend getting for those people. Okay, I recommend
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Getting leaner cuts of meat, but still cooking in some of the saturated fat just for the stability perspective
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Now if you're cooking a lot of stuff maybe a little extra virgin olive oil
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But extra virgin olive oil is best when you're just putting it on your salad or on your meat
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In the wrong form exactly
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That's right the best way to cook your meat is not to put herbs on
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At right away because you're gonna now oxidize ruin those herbs afterwards. Yeah, so they're they're no good
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It might provide it buffers some of the heterocyclic amines there the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarb information these these
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You know carcinogenic chemicals. Yeah, yeah, just yeah exactly. And so if you're marinating it
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It will buffer that yeah, but I would marinate
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Pre and then actually put them on after as well. Yeah, right for for kind of your best action and then yeah, you know
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The benefits of rosemary is a great one great one. Yeah, although it smells good tastes good
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Rosemary actually helps boost the cita coli and in your brain too. So it's great for memory
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Right, so it's yeah, I just did a video on that. It's like I didn't
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Would have never thought that a rosemary video, but when you when you I had to shoot it because
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There's so many benefits to rosemary
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Persing neurodegenerative conditions just from smelling. Yeah rosemary. Well, you're old factory nervous
29:28
One of the powers of like essential oils like a fan essential oils and so aroma therapy your old factory bulb
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Right
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Which is kind of in your nose when you smell something gets directly back into you know
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Basically old factory bulbs in your in the back of your brain
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It goes directly into your brain right has huge impacts right doesn't get filtered out
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Has huge impacts on your neurology. That's why you don't want to smell mercury and your physiology. Yeah, exactly
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That's right. It's bypasses
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Yeah, doesn't it bypass your brain barrier. Yeah, exactly
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So I mean you also mean to be careful like I think you can over like you if you if you're if you're using
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Yes, you're using essential oils improperly like I'm just gonna do a bunch of frankincense every day. Well
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You might not want to do that like yeah, it'll drive a pathway because herbs essential oils
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They're therapeutic. They're used and then there's tonic herbs. There's therapeutic herbs
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And then there's food right that you can get nutrients from every day and you can eat them all the time
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So a tonic herb would be something you could use the atomic goji berry something you can use more often
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But herbs they have this powerful impact they drive a pathway
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Into healing yeah, right and it's neat like with herbology and all this stuff you can combine one herb that's gonna kill you and another herb
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that will
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Negatively to will stop that herb from killing you like an antidote and you give it together and it can
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Create energy in your body and create a healing and there's frequency with this stuff. It's yeah
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It's mind-blowing like the amount of information you can learn
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I get excited and I get excited talking to people like it's remarkable and you know when it comes to health
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It's not a more is better. I think yeah, you know, that's what I was doing in my early 20s
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I thought okay, you were a more is better kind of more is better. I'm doing more right
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And so it's really finding the sweet spot. That's really what it's all about because a lot of these things are stressors on the body
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But they they are what we call whoremedic stressors whoremedic stressor is a stressor some sort of stressor that our ancestors
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Would have encountered, right? So it's kind of our our biology
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Has dealt with it in the past and knows how to deal with it. Yeah, okay, but if we get too much of that stressor
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It's going to overwhelm our system overwhelm our ability to adapt like like cold exposure for example
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Yeah, okay, you know, they say don't go out in the cold. I this is what I learned growing up
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They'll go out of the cold. You're gonna get sick. Yeah, yeah
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Everyone says that I mean if you spend too much time in the cold
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You definitely it will wear down your system. You lose resilience. Yeah exactly and then you can get sick
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But short-term cold exposure actually makes your body more resilient stronger
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I mean, you know, there's so many great benefits to it neuro protective all these powerful benefits
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And now people are certain to realize that with you know doing
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What is it called cold plunges right cold punches cold showers things like that
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But you got to get the right amount of stress and when you're stacking all these stressors
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You know, this is always like you know, I have a best-selling book. I'm fasting and so people are always asking me they're like
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They're like I heard fastings bad for hormones or fastings bad for women
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And I'm like well, it could be bad. Yeah, it could be good right if you do it right
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He is you got to be able to do it right if you're stacking all these stressors on as somebody who's already stressed and doesn't have much resilience
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Yeah, and they think oh fastings gonna help me they start doing that. It's not gonna be good
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No, and so you got to get the right amount of hormetic stressors for your body to help prime you
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And become more so you can become more resilient. That's kind of it's kind of the that's the art
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Yeah, of being well the art of wellness and help in general exactly. Yeah stress is good like stress in your life
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Helps your brain think faster. You don't remove stress from your life. Stress is your friend
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That's right. It's the energy that helps you focus. Yep, and know what's important where it's heading to right it and it's
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And that's why I like toxicity if you remove the massive amounts of stress the small amount of stress your body can adapt to
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It's a hormatic stress it can actually get better at detoxing you can start to colonize bacteria
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Through the ages that can you know remove some of the stuff and we have those yep
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And that's why wipe them out with antibiotics, right? Yeah, we kill off the candida
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But we really need to address the source and allow the candida to protect you or what you know parasites even right
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Hormetic stress
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Yeah, and this is one of the things I love about what you're doing because you're bringing exposure
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To toxins and a lot of these toxins a lot many of them are new toxins
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They're not toxins that our ancestors would have experienced no
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So we have to build whole new biological pathways in order to deal with these and they're an overwhelming amount of stress in our system
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And it's kind of like trying to drive with your parking brake on so if you're overloaded with with toxins
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You're not you got to turn a parking brake off right and as long as our parking brakes on
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Okay, your car is not going to drive right no
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And so getting rid of your exposure. I know you're you're big on that helping people be aware of what they're being exposed to
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And then helping the body to to detoxify itself properly and using you know your binders and things like that to help get these toxins out
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You're turning off that parking brakes. So now you just hit the gas and feel right you got to go right again exactly
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Now you're back
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So
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The third right we up we went down some rabbit trails. We yeah talked about number one
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Ultra process process foods. Yeah, I'd love that clarity there. Then we talked about seed oils
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We hit the
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Lake like if you see that showing up organic sunflower oil high oleic
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Not going to end your day
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Yeah, right that that's again you try to avoid seed oils, but
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Can drive up your mega sick through can make all kinds of arguments
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But there is some science to to back up what you're saying. So I love that. Yeah, number three
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Number three is going to be chemicals right and so pesticides herbicides different chemicals
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Obviously when you remove the ultra-process foods you're going to get rid of if you were eating a lot of those
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You're going to get a lot of chemicals
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But this is also why it's important to go as organic as possible
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Because you know if you're not getting organic if you're doing an all-conventional based diet
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Okay, and you're let's say you're eating high protein like I teach, okay
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Healthy fats you're eating lots of colorful fruits and vegetables, but it's all conventional 100% conventional
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You were getting probably three times the amount of chemicals as you would from that from your diet as you would if you're eating as
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Or let's say 60% organic right right and so and I think 60% organic for
35:46
For most people that are listening to this is realistic. Yeah, okay
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It's not realistic to do 100% organic. It's just you're not gonna be able to find stuff everything that's
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That everything organic, but most people are listening to this in today's day and age
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You can find local farmers. You can find whole food. You know
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There's some of these grocery stores. You can find you can buy a quarter of a cow
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You know things like that that there's ways that you can get as much work. You can grow your own
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Right and get as much organic stuff as possible
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And so when you do that you're significantly reducing the amount of
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Pesticides and herbicides are going in your diet, especially with your animal products, right?
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In fact, that's actually one of the one of the things I learned from
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From you guys back when I first met you
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Dr. Pompeo is always like the bio-accumulation, right? The amount biological concentration. It's in
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Science play 101's right. That's right. So when the the cows eating
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pesticide laid-in grains right herbicides and pesticide yet glyphosate all these different chemicals and they're eating that
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That's getting into their meat and dairy products
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And then when we're consuming that it's gonna get into our body. We can deal with some of it
36:54
Right, but if we're constantly putting that in every single time we eat we're putting high amounts of that in
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Um, it's gonna be a problem at some point that toxic bio-accumulation is gonna build up in our system
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It's like eating the larger fish given the example sardines not that much mercury, but the sardines
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consumed by a seabass and the seabass is consumed by
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A grouper and the grouper is consumed by you know, whatever, right?
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And they're or they're just eating a lot of small fish over and over again
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Then you get the the law of biological concentration. So the bigger the fish
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Yep
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They're eating bigger bigger bait like when you're fishing you got to use a bigger bait to catch a bigger fish
37:30
Higher concentrations build up in the tissues. This happens in beef. Yeah, it happens in chicken
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You know, uh, you know your GMO grain, you know, that's being sprayed
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100% in your concentrating glyphosate and other toxic chemicals. Yep
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And then that that gets into your body. Yeah, and so in your bio bio-cumulating
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Absolutely, I don't know when you're thinking about when you're thinking about exactly
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You got it when you're thinking about diet
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You should be thinking about I'm going to get the maximal amount of nutrients and the minimal amount of toxins when I'm eating food
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Maximize nutrients minimize toxic. Exactly. So going as organic as possible is key
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You know with your animal products trying to find 100% grass fed
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Wild caught seafood
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Um, you know, these are kind of term pasture raised. These are the kind of terms you're looking at
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If you know your farmer even better like we have a local farmer. We get a lot of stuff from
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Right, we know that they're doing it well
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Okay, and a lot of times you can have your kids run on the farm. Exactly. People would be surprised. There's actually
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A lot of local farmers out there. I just don't do a whole lot of advertising
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But like you just show up at their doorstep and you're like hey, I see you got like 20 chickens like do you guys do eggs?
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Oh, yeah, yeah, come on over, you know every Sunday or whatever
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You know, whatever and so a lot of times these there's a lot of
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Very small time farmers that are doing things right. There's a lot of bigger farmers in different areas
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You know, I live in an Atlanta area and we're able to get have we have a great farmer. That's you know
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They deliver to homes and things like that. So we just order we get a whole bunch of stuff works really really well
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You know, you can grow your own stuff which which is very helpful as well
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So there's a lot that you can do you just got to start thinking outside the box. I think
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Where people go wrong is they just immediately hear something? They're like oh 60% are I can't do that too expensive, right?
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Too expensive. I don't even know where to get it right and they shut it down it's limited thinking they should be thinking
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That's a realistic goal. How do I figure it out you start doing the math like I always say tell people do the math
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It's a math. It's a math problem
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Well, you can't afford it. What are you spending on your food? Well, we're going to McDonald's
39:33
We're going to Taco Bell twice a week. We're you know pizza this pizza that and then you look at what you can make that for at home
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Yeah, it's either less
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Or the same. Yeah, you know and you're paying for convenience and your sacrificing health
39:49
You're paying for convenience and sacrificing health exactly
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Will not end well because the convenience you're paying for is going to come back to bite you because you're not
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Investing into your health. Yeah, so it's not five years ten years live law of biological concentration
40:07
I have Taco Bell sitting at my house. It still does not smell. It smelled when I bought it a little bit of onions
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Smell is now gone. I don't know what chemicals in there. Yeah, but you think it's it's in my office
40:18
You think it'd be rotting right now with tomato and all this stuff absolutely even the McDonald's doesn't smell anymore
40:24
I don't know if there's like deodorizers. Maybe it's the seed oils that are sequestering the
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The bacteria so you know the bacteria isn't colonizing right
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In the bags all greasy and you know, it's it's not food. It's not alive. It's dead food
40:39
Yeah, when when food is spoiling its bacteria
40:42
That are eating it and then pooping out endotoxin or toxins basically and it's same thing with our body like when we have gas
40:50
Reason why our stool stinks is because of these endotoxins that are released that ideally are getting out of our body
40:56
But that's why food should like natural foods if you let them sit out banana. It's gonna stink. Yeah, right eggs
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Right, they're gonna stink. That's the way it's supposed to be. That's the way these bacteria are breaking your body and you stink
41:09
Yeah
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You stink for a reason right have toxins that are coming out through because you're living because you're living because you're alive
41:15
Yeah, exactly. I mean it's key processing. You got exactly and these these bacteria their job is to break down decaying matter
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And so if something's not decaying
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What is it you know that's the question we got to ask there and you know they say
41:29
The illiterate of the 21st century are not those who can't read and write right? This is an issue that you know
41:35
Generations passed
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Wasn't necessarily easy to figure out like a lot of people were illiterate and they couldn't read and write in 21st century
41:41
We can read and write right if you listen to this podcast you can read and write
41:45
They say the illiterate of the 21st century are not the are those who can't learn something
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Realize it's actually
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Misinformation right or it's not serving you in the way that it's not leading you
41:56
Where you want to go in life and then choose to unlearn it and relearn new strategies and new a new way of approaching things
42:04
And that's really you know if you've been taught to believe that all food is the same
42:10
You got to unlearn that and relearn new strategies. This is just not going to get you where you want to be
42:14
I would I would imagine 90% of America believes
42:19
That all food is the same the calorie calorie out principles low fat diet
42:24
Like you when I realized that people didn't know this stuff and it was being shared around the world
42:31
And you're reaching 10 million 15 million people a month that woke me up to
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My and I'm going to ask you your greatest fear
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We're concerned in the world as people don't have this knowledge. Yeah, like the lack of you know our
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The quote scripture our people perish for lack of knowledge right and so toxicity
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um
42:50
Really the root cause is people don't understand right yeah, they're they don't it's lack of knowledge
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lack of knowledge is toxicity because if you can
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gain knowledge and from that knowledge you can gain gain wisdom
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And then from that wisdom that truth that you have you can great understanding and understanding that this can and will change my life
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It will improve how I feel how I'm connected to God and nature and my family
43:15
Like if you can motivate yourself with this energy that we're sharing right now
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Hmm and make a change your life could rapidly you know how you're your life rapidly right now is going like this down
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Take that energy thank it for teaching me that this path is not for me any longer and then watch
43:33
Applying some of the principles that you teach that I'm teaching
43:36
Thousands of other influencers that are working hard to educate you through
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Laughter we're trying everything everything we can possibly do to reach into your heart so that you can hear the truth
43:48
It's not easy doing what you do. It's not easy doing. I do and in thousands of others
43:52
It's not easy being a mom for crying out loud. It takes work. You talked about the stress of raising children
43:57
But we're dancing
43:59
You know like in a in a show you know to get you to hear the truth using
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Science using laughter using comedy
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Using all the tools of communication song emotion
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Why
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It's not about money. It's about reaching people
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We don't that's right
44:20
We don't think like that anymore. We've made the mistake of grinding and making money and doing all those things
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It's toxic. Yeah, because at the end you have money and you have stuff that steals time away from the things that matter
44:34
Yeah, you know, and again, yes, we have the luxury of of getting that wisdom because some people are still trying to find that
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Right because our dads or because of you know trying to prove ourselves
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Same thing dad. I just want to earn your approval like all the things that drove me
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um
44:49
It's toxic toxic mindset. So that toxic mindset that that you spoke of
44:54
The the we are illiterate in the 21st century not because we can't read and write is because we can't learn
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Something new and we're so programmed to believe this as true our unconscious minds
45:08
We don't want to learn if we learn something new it'll stress us out
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It'll the the foundations of our belief structure because we've built a foundation on sand
45:17
Right, you built your business on a good foundation so that it could grow without you
45:21
If you build your life on principles like all food is the same
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If you build your life on that principle your foundations of your life will lead you to disease
45:31
100% of the time there's no way of avoiding that
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And so here we are
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Yeah, absolutely, and you know just piggybacking off what you said
45:38
I think it's Jose have four six where my people perished for a lack of knowledge
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But I believe that there's another translation of my people perished for a lack of vision
45:47
And so knowledge is you know getting knowledge about about the world right listening to this podcast
45:53
You're getting some knowledge
45:54
But vision is really taking that knowledge and putting it into application
45:58
Like how is that knowledge now going to to impact your life and your future?
46:03
And so you got to have a vision you got to have a compelling vision for your life
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And that compelling vision will allow you to take knowledge that you learn and actually put it in the process
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Yes, and that's so critical right because people can learn stuff
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You and I have learned stuff more like oh probably be a good idea like I mean, I know in my marriage
46:21
It's like okay, you know, this person is giving advice on marriage
46:25
And I'm like that's probably a good idea and then I forget about it
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Yeah, I'm not putting it into action. I'm like oh, you know what I shoot with that into action my wife will love that
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And so I think that's this is what we have to do right is taking knowledge
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And if we feel like that knowledge can really help me impact my life and make my future better
46:45
Let's put that into practice and that's the visionary component. Yeah, every area of our lives
46:50
Yeah, I think as once you learn that skill right that you need a compelling vision
46:54
So and we've done this I do this in my life. I know that that's what I need
47:00
So when I'm my back hurt and I share this on podcast
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I've visioned and visioned my life
47:04
Not being able to pick up my kids and my back hurting and saying daddy. Why can't you pick me up? Why can't you carry me to bed?
47:10
So there's the pain you feel that right it hurts
47:14
So I created a compelling vision of throwing my kids up in the air
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Being strong and yeah, being that for my children
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I created that vision because I know I needed that
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Because I I'm busy. I don't want to go to the PT
47:28
I don't want to exercise my core and if I didn't I have a trainer come into my house
47:34
Because I know if I don't do that. I'm not going to go to the gym. So for me
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I have to pay for that. I have to put an investment
47:40
They have to show up my house so that I'll wake up in the morning because I'm just not I'm just not that guy
47:45
Like I don't I don't you know
47:47
I'm not going to be the TRT influencer
47:49
You know sure that that wants to look a certain way. I just want to be a great dad
47:54
That's my compelling vision for my life. I want to be a better husband a better father
47:58
And I implement things because
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when I do
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That part of my life gets better and my foundation gets better and gets stronger and I become happier
48:08
So it there's this beautiful feedback loop which talks back to the downward spiral that you're living right now
48:15
And you knew here this podcast two guys that are sick. We've both done it wrong. We've done wrong in our marriages
48:20
We've done it wrong raising our children. We've done it wrong in our diets even healthy diets
48:25
But you have an opportunity to learn
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You have an opportunity to be inspired to create a compelling vision of your life
48:31
Of energy of clarity of connection to nature and God again like this stuff can happen for you
48:37
Yeah, and I think we're not special. I'm not special. That's right. And let's let's let's elevate let's you know
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You know get that free. Yeah, I don't want to add something to that like when you were struggling with something like when I had health struggles
48:50
Right periods of time when my wife was upset at me when I was having all this fear of failure in my business
48:56
Mm-hmm. I was very vulnerable when you if you're out there in your listening and you're struggling in your health
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Whatever area your career your relationships. Yeah, it puts you in a place of vulnerability
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Mm-hmm, and when you're vulnerable
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Knowledge is not gonna
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Good to get knowledge knowledge is always good to get
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But knowledge alone is not gonna move you into a place of victory, right?
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And so that's where the compelling vision has to come in when you hurt your back
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Right, I actually tore my bicep didn't march tore my bicep tendon
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Right like I was vulnerable
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Okay, and and God has a way of kind of revealing he wants us to be vulnerable because ultimately
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He wants us in a place where you know, we are
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You know, basically we're fully
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You know, we're dying to ourselves right and we're in a place where we are reliant on him and he actually wants trust exactly
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Trust and so he wants us. It was actually a beneficial thing for him
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You know Paul says when when I am weak
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He is strong, right?
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And so it's a principle you got it and I don't care who you are
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That's right and that's a vision right there. It's compelling vision
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And so we're all gonna go through periods of struggle in our life
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By having that compelling vision to know that okay
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In this moment, I'm vulnerable because I feel weak, right? Mm-hmm
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But God can show up through me and having that compelling vision
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That's going to help you take those next steps
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Whether it's you know changing your diet making nutrition changes starting to exercise going to PT if you're physical therapy or something like that if you're
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Injured right whatever it is right some of these things seem big when you're in a vulnerable state
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Okay, sometimes people are like oh my gosh. I got a detox. I got to do this to detox
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I got to get my my mercury fillings
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Right like I gotta get out of my house. I got molded in my home. Right? Are you kidding me?
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Like I just spent all this money renovating my house. It's a very vulnerable state. Yeah
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Scary, but God can show up for you and he wants to show up for you
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And if you have a compelling vision you're gonna allow him to move on your behalf
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And I think that you're gonna get where you want to get removing that fear
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Living in trust. Mm-hmm. I'd like to say you know some of the in layman's turns everything is
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You know, it's working out as it's intended and if you allow the process
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You know people say trust the process and there's lots of different language patterns
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You can say but if you don't allow the process it'll never happen. We stop it right because we get into fear and we start making
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Emotional and rational decisions and this is getting into a psychology
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You know and you know and obviously spiritual place, but you know, it's some of the real
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Real juice that wakes up a human soul, right? Yeah to change
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I love that you add that to what you do and you understand
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Of course if you've been at this long enough you understand that's the these core beliefs are so critical
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You know to to our health to our families to the future
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that being said
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You know, I think we we covered some amazing topics here today and if they want to learn more about some of these strategies and solutions and the research you've done
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How can people find yeah for sure? I love for you to come over check us out doctor jokers comms my website blog great podcast
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Dr. jokers functional nutrition podcast YouTube, you know all the social media channels
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So we're in love what you're doing here doing doing a great work here doing God's work
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Yeah, I appreciate your brother. Thanks for coming on the show. Yeah, absolutely my honor my privilege for me. Yeah, awesome
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