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When The Government Comes a Knockin' · Hold Your Ground

• joe: What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Hold Your Ground. In light of an incident I saw regarding a hobbit from New Jersey, I'm gonna be a bit gatekeepy today. When it comes to confronting fascism and racism, being a skinhead isn't about aesthetic, social media clout, or playing a role online. It's about standing for something. It means opposition with conviction, understanding the history of our scene, and carrying yourself in a way that reflects those values. When someone builds a platform claiming to be an anti-fascist skinhead and then gets publicly intimidated or humiliated by a Nazi without standing by the principles they promote, it doesn't just reflect on that individual. It weakens the entire movement and gives ammunition to the Nazis. Those moments shape how outsiders' view are seen. If you choose to make yourself the public face of militant anti-fascism, you can't be surprised. When that commitment is tested, don't build your reputation on being the toughest person in the room if you fold when you're challenged. Credibility is earned through consistency and real-world action, not slogans or fucking social media posts. Sharp has never been about looking hard. It's about conviction. If you're going to claim that identity, be prepared to stand your ground when it matters. Protect the people around you if a situation turns dangerous and accept the responsibility that comes with representing the scene. The skinhead name was once hijacked by fascist and racist cunts. Skinheads against racial prejudice came to life as a direct militant stance against that. To watch the sharp moniker be hijacked by cowards who want to feel tough or 40-year-old fuckheads who are going bald and figure, hey, fuck it, I'm a sharp now is Bullshit. It undoes the work that we've spent a fucking lifetime doing. I know I sound like a crotchety old man here, but back in the day you didn't get to just claim I cut my hair so I'm a sharp now. You were brought into it by other people who knew you would handle business because they've witnessed personally witnessed you handle fucking business. My subculture deserves people whose actions match their words. Not people who mistake an image for a commitment or rely on getting their courage from being part of a crowd. What you gotta say about that, Louise? Luis: Word. and let me say Thomas, we all saw that video. It was an embarrassment. Everything Joe said, we stand behind 100%. Being a skinhead means having pride. It means fucking willing to be to walk alone. What's a little bit of an ass kicking? You hid behind your partner, bro. Okay. joe: Black woman at that. Luis: Okay, you hid you when when your boys were there, you were all like, Hold me back, hold me back. And then when this little nerdy kid confronts you, even if he does have a bodyguard, I thought you were a SF. I thought you were somebody. Nah, you held your head down, bro. You're a shame. I'm ashamed of you. I'm gonna kick it. let me introduce our friend our good friend Copy here. Copy has something to say. please go ahead. Copy: just to throw in a little tack on add on to that, Old Tommy Boy Slide L's little thing there. Bro, you remember me? I talked to you a couple years ago when you started this bullshit and a couple of my sniper homies that did sniper ops with triple nickel, the the unit you say you did. Found out what you did, bud. You loaded fucking airplanes in Iraq. Now you did go to Iraq. That's cool. At least that part of it's true. But you're no fucking operator. You fucking clown shoe wearing motherfucker. Stop wearing your ASU out too. You look like a fucking chode licking little bitch. Yeah. joe: Okay. No, you're all right. You're all right. So it go ahead, man. Copy: Sorry, sorry, sorry, not sorry. Fuck that guy. Alright, so you Luis: Yeah. No. Copy: I was just gonna say, these two gentlemen have given me the opportunity to say a little bit called fuck the world with copies. So I'm gonna fucking do an introduction and actually use some big boy words and not swear at every fucking thing so people don't think I'm a complete and utter fool all the time. So here we go. Thanks for having. Yeah, right? I did my own shit, right? That's pretty fucking dope. So Luis: He did his own intro. I love it. Let's go. joe: There you go. Copy: Thanks for having me. Look, fuck the world isn't about just burning things down blindly. It's about looking at a system that is fundamentally rotten and refusing to play alongside with polite fiction that's that it's working. I spent a long time rebuilding my own reality. I'm well past 400 days into a complete lifestyle overhaul. And what you learn when you tear yourself down to the studs is that real change takes blood, sweat, and quiet discipline. The exact same thing goes for society. You just can't slap a fresh paint, a c a coat of paint on it, and expect it to fucking change. It's not gonna fucking change at all. You have to strip it down to the fucking foundation. Ice Those motherfuckers, they're complying little coward bitches. That's the brutal reality of it. I served in the infantry as well as Joe, and we both know what a real fucking kill zone feels like. I know the difference between the heavyweight of silence right before things go kinetic. These guys, they're just cosplaying fucking idiots that make everybody and every one of us that did serve that are standing up against this kind of bullshit, it's dishonoring our friends that passed away or died. Let's just we'll just use the big D word. They fucking died standing for something. And whether a lot of people agree with the US military or not, believe me, I don't anymore either, but at the time it it wasn't about some fucking bullshit politician back here that I went for. It was for the the folks right next to me. So anybody's got a problem with that, you can eat a bag of baby dicks. Just want to throw that out there. Okay, let's get back to my shit. I know the rate of silence right with things right before things go kinetic. So when I see guys parading around our cities in tactical gear. Trying to intimidate marginalized communities. I don't see strength. I just see profound cowardice. Their entire ideology is built on the primal fear of anyone who doesn't look like them. They don't know the first thing about genuine loyalty or sacrifice. Anti-fascism is simply community self-defense against that exact brand of cowardice. You have to realize that fascism definitely relies on exhaustion. And that's it, it just thrives on it. It will drive and drive and drive. The system will drive against you and try to fucking wear you the fuck out. And what needs to happen is people need to get back up. I know it's tiring, but you know what? It's not gonna go away if we just sit on our fucking asses and do absolutely nothing and just sit and bitch. It's it's just not gonna happen. Anti-racism, let's talk about that real quick, isn't a fucking hashtag or a book club. For a polite society. It is a daily, gritty practice. You have to find a way to reset your own mind so you don't burn out. For me, sometimes it's just going down the road on the fucking coast and driving up and down with my dogs, you know? Other people could be do doing anything else. I don't know. Do your own fucking thing. But make sure your own fucking house is in order before you start going out and Doing anything because if you go out there and wildly me as a white guy, if I go out there and just go wildly off the fucking rails, I'm not helping shit. I'm really putting a lot of fucking marginalized communities at risk if I go out there and act like a fucking jagoff. So there's that part of it. And that was what I had pre-written. I'm gonna kind of add this. I I know Joe didn't really know about it until I fucking picked up on it and it I didn't hear about it because until I saw some video on Facebook. The nice little shooting that we had by a National Guardsman in Tennessee. Yeah now there's gonna be people on all sides gonna sit here and try to fucking navigate and computer or internet fucking lawyer their way through it. Now I I will capitulate that if somebody points a fucking weapon at me, I'm gonna fucking draw down. But at the same time, those individuals do not need to be doing law enforcement in the community. So basically what just happened is we had a military service member murder an American citizen. That's what's happened. And as a service member, that just burns my fucking soul. So to whoever that National Guardsman is, you fucked up and you probably started this bullshit. And I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm not one of those like, I'm prepped and everything, because nobody's really prepped for anything at any moment. They think they are, but you really not. But the the country's gonna go into a very violent violent direction here, I think, once this really gets out there, because you know the government's gonna fucking spend it out as some kind of Antifa operation or some kind of bullshit like that. That's just the way they fucking operate. So that's what I have. That's copies fuck the world. I'm not always gonna be a fucking incomplete and semi nice guy. This is really toned down for what I normally do. So this is just the introduction. Normally you can ask these two I'm a fucking dickhead and I'm proud of it. And I will call you on your bullshit, so copy out. Luis: Much love. That's Copy's World. Always love it. You gotta respect it. You might not agree with it, but I always love it. You know, and we're gonna Copy: Thanks, homie. Luis: we're gonna have more here in the future. Copy: Word. Luis: yeah, let's I guess we'll get into that more. I think we have I'm gonna be honest when I say I think this is out of all my podcasting history, I think this is gonna be one of the most important podcasts I've ever taken part in in recent times. I think moving forward, I think it's really important to know that there are people that are going to hear what we talk about right now and do the the right thing with it. There are also people that are going to hear what we're about to talk about and see a payday for themselves in it possibly. Right? And that's disgusting and we're gonna get into all of that. So right now coming to the stage, fuck me, whatever that is. just I guess coming off a mute, I'd like to introduce you all to A D Chocoat and Doberman. And before we go further, A D Chocoat co wrote a wonderful article about Doberman for the Intercept and it's titled FBI Rated Texas Activist House, then offered her two hundred thousand dollars to become Antifa informant. And first of all, Doberman A D, thank you for being here with us today. Doberman: course, thank you so much for letting me up. A.D. Chilcote: An honor to be here. Doberman: Mm. Luis: I don't know if it's an honor quite yet. A.D. Chilcote: Yeah. Luis: Hold that ho ho Doberman: Ha ha ha. Luis: hold that one, but thank you nonetheless. first of all, A D, how did you Doberman, we're gonna get into you with your story. A D, how did this story come to your attention? A.D. Chilcote: So I had actually done a when I was documenting No Kings three, I had heard a lot of people in the crowd wondering what was up with the CLB being there. And a lot of people didn't know who they were. And I also, being fairly new to Dallas, I was also like, This is new to me. so I actually I think some Doberman originally commented on a photo or something that I had had of them. So I had reached out to arrange an interview and got some background on them that I wanted to share with the community. And I will admit that part of the reason why I also did that was because I was like, I think this group might get some attention someday. and I I was right. I thought that I I really thought it was gonna take longer. 'Cause that was only what, like two or three months ago. and then I had received on on the Monday that this took place, I had received a message from another contact in the group who told me that Doberman had been arrested, raided by the FBI. And I was like, okay, well, this is this is interesting. so then I tracked Oberman down and I realized that the story was a lot more interesting than I originally anticipated. Luis: Right, right, right. Can you say the initials of that group again, please? I don't think just that I caught that. A.D. Chilcote: The C L B Luis: C L B A, what's what's that stand for? A.D. Chilcote: The community liberation brigade. Luis: Okay. And Doberman, thank you for having us here. and this is are you affiliated with the C L B? Doberman: I'm a founder. I'm one of the founding members. I've busted my ass building it. we are a community defense group. We're not an organization, we're not funded by anybody else but ourselves. we have trained individuals for a reason, and we are militant, and we are unapologetic. Luis: Okay. Wonderful. yeah, do you want to talk about the CLB a little bit? when it was founded, why it was founded, who you're def who you're defending, what your mission is. Let let's get into it and where people and at the end of the show we'll get into where people can find you guys and looking for more information, right? So Doberman: Yeah. Luis: so yeah. And then A D we'll get back to you and you're part of the story. A.D. Chilcote: Mm. Doberman: Yeah, so the sorry about that. so I founded the CLB back in J January. I almost said July. And the reason why we founded it was me and another comrade we met on TikTok and we've been talking for quite some time. They're also an anarchist. And we I I've just voiced like, hey, I've noticed that since the Prairie Land case, the Socialist Rifle Association, SRA, the John Brown Gun Club, you know, JBGC, they're gone. There's nobody nobody is here to defend our community. They have to rely on cops. And whenever I said that, we both laughed, saying, Wow. So we started kind of brainstorming, you know. What is a way that we can do to provide for our community who are marginalized, black, brown, indigenous, gay, trans, regardless, who are affected by this current regime. And we came we c came to the conclusion armed defense is needed. Fascism is a language that is violence. And the response For violence is defense. So if the state wants to enact violence upon our community, then we respond with community defense. Luis: Absolut absolutely and copy you're new to this part of the show but anytime you wanna like muscle your way in and throw a a comment or a question, hit that button. You know what I'm saying? Word. Copy: Fucking bravo, man. Bravo. What you guys are doing there, that that sounds fucking awesome because I know quite a few people in Texas are looking for our kind of community and are having Doberman: Yeah. Copy: a hard time finding it. So it'll definitely be good to get them some information. Sec Luis: I mean before before Doberman: Well, we're in the Dallas Fort Worth D F W. Luis: before we go further, I forgot I meant to and I told Joe earlier. I can't believe that Joe forgot to remind me, but I personally would like to thank every member of law enforcement that is giving this particular episode a listen. Right? like I I would like to welcome The CIA, the DEA, the ATF fucking MPs of some sort, Homeland Security, the BCP and ICE and I would love to invite you guys all personally to lick my culo. Okay? joe: Ha ha ha ha. Doberman: Ha ha Copy: Yeah. Luis: Now that's Spanish for I love you, okay? Copy: Yeah. joe: Ha ha ha. Doberman: Ha ha ha. Copy: Dude, I don't know if I told you, Luis. I fucking told Joe as soon as it got done happening. I was out playing with and around fucking around with my dogs in my yard and there's this fucking Definitely a fed looking motherfucker, it ain't hard to spot him. Sit outside my fucking house for like 45 fucking minutes, and then when I finally go over, they're like, hey, can I help you? He fucking chanks off. So I'm like, yeah. So if any of you are gonna come back, could you bring me some fucking milk next time? I I d I fucking every time I wanna go somewhere, you motherfuckers show up and I wanna eat some fucking cereal and I'm out of milk. At least you cocksuckers could come over and bring me some milk. So fuck you, bring milk, bitch. Luis: It is nice to not be the unhinged one anymore, Joe. I have to tell you. It joe: Ha ha ha. Doberman: Ha ha ha Copy: They got me medicated and shit and this is the best they can do. joe: Yeah. Luis: It is nice to be the voice of reason over here now. okay, so back to it. Cops can fucking eat a dick. I think we can all agree on that. Doberman: Yeah. Luis: so you started off as community defense in response to Prairie Land. you know, here's the thing, like, people might not like what I'm about to say, but like I personally have never had too much respect for the John Okay, everyone hold up. joe: CIA. Well, before the federal government decided so wholeheartedly to fucking cut off our internet connection, Doberman was telling their story. So Doberman, you wanna continue on there? Doberman: Yeah, if it if it overlaps, then well, fuck it. so we founded the CLB. it was me, another person, and we brought in one other person as a founding member. We have three founders, all of those two other people I trust without a shadow of a doubt with my life. I know for a fact that if shit happens, if shots pop off, if I'm hit. I know that they're going to be dragging my ass away. Luis: You also said before the feds cut our our connection out that you started as a response to a lack in seeing the SLA, S S the Socialist Rifle Club and the John Brown Rifle Club kind of disappear, right? So Doberman: Mm-hmm. Luis: I'm gonna say this. Anybody who doesn't like it can again, Bessomiculo, okay, which again means I love you. so those I reached out to both organizations in the early two thousand sixteens, two thousand seventeens, okay? And I was told by both organizations that they are not community defense, that they operate as a gun club. Doberman: Yeah. I mean yeah. Luis: Right. So so thank you for organizing on behalf of your community because it's important to recognize the work that you do and that Doberman: Exactly. Luis: you are a threat to the system and I and I appreciate that for one. Doberman: Well yeah, I mean Copy: We could we could tie in that gun club comment to Thomas Slidell. We could correlate that right now. Right fucking now. Fuck that guy, you fucking chode licking pussy. Actually, you know what? I take that back. I take that back. Pussies can actually take a beating. Luis: I can say we do have lawyers, so do whatever you're gonna do, dude. so yeah, so so moving on. Okay, so you've you you started this this group to defend your community, especially as a response to the political prisoners from Prairie Land becoming detained, right? To to Doberman: Yeah. Luis: to to fill that in. So you stepped up and then We're gonna cut over here quickly to A D. Then A D is reporting on is a reporter and loves this country and considers themselves anti fascists and is just an independent journalist out there for reporting on No Kings. You hear about this group, you start to get interested, you post you post a picture, you recognize your picture, you comment on it and you guys become friends. You we're gonna get into your story right now. What happened okay, so yeah, let's get into it right now. And then because this is where A D comes back into the story, right? What happened to you? You went to sleep one night on a normal night, I'm assuming, and A.D. Chilcote: Yeah. well, I it was actually really so this is like kind of more personal, but it was actually really strange because at this point, I I actually just graduated from college two months ago. Luis: Congratulations. A.D. Chilcote: thank you. It was I had to drop out the first time during the pandemic. So it was like it was rough. but I was having of course very little success when it came to jobs and things like that. And part of that is because I had to pay for college myself as an adult and also working. And I didn't have time to build the body of work that a lot of people do. Luis: Absolutely. A.D. Chilcote: so I like have just kind of been trying to connect with activist groups like in the area to try and just like offer basically my services as a cinematographer to them. and also like do some documenting. Cause I actually went to college to become a documentary filmmaker. And then I realized that the things that were going on right now needed to be talked about right now. I didn't have time to make documentaries about this stuff. so yeah, I just I I was having like a little bit of existential crisis about where I was going with my career and then all of a sudden I get this message from I don't can I s can I say their name? I'm not sure. Luis: Yeah, I I let's let's not but if you do slip we we have edit ish so we can A.D. Chilcote: Okay. Luis: take it out. A.D. Chilcote: Okay, so I get I get this the message from the person who told me about the raid and I I had actually like just finished up my work for the day and then I like immediately was on it. I was like, okay, I gotta I need to find Oberman. Luis: Right? Now now Doberman for you. Okay, we've talked about this raid. We keep alluding to this raid. Doberman: Yeah. Luis: you have a normal night, I'm assuming, you eat food, you watch some T V, do whatever it is you do. Okay, you worked overnight. Let Doberman: I worked overnight. Yeah. Luis: let let's talk about it. What happened? You come home from work and you pick up from there. Doberman: Yeah, so I get home from work. I had a dog. we're still looking for him. he is he he helps my PTSD. he finally had trusted me enough to sleep on top of me for the first time. and around six AM I'm woken up by a really fucking loud bang. I have a I have a firearm in my in my house, as most Texans do, to defend my home. So I instantly shoot up being like, shit, somebody's breaking in. I'm gonna have to shoot somebody. I'm gonna have to defend my home. and then the next thing I see is a just bright flash and what sounds like a gunshot. So I'm thinking, like in that split second, I'm thinking I was just shot. you know, something happened. And then I come, you know, I I get kind of unconcussed and I look towards my door and I see three SWAT officers with rifles trained directly at me with a fucking drone in my fucking like right up at my door watching me. I'm one person. One. I'm a fucking medic. That's what I do. They fucking tried to raid me like I'm Osama bin Laden. Like so that happened. I had to walk down the stairs with my hands up, you know, b backwards, almost fell, but almost busted my ass. I actually stepped on the flashbang canister, so I burned my foot. And they put me in cuffs. And then they took me outside half naked and pushed me against a wall rather hard and tight the cuffs even more to the point where I was in physical pain from how tight these cuffs were. yeah. Luis: So before we go a little further, do you mind sharing with everyone your pronouns, please? Doberman: Yeah, I'm I'm a trans woman. I she they. Luis: Did they allow you to dress yourself before they took it? Do you want do you want to talk about that? Or if Doberman: Yeah. Luis: not, we absolutely do not have to. Doberman: Man, I joked about this already, so fuck it. That's how I that's how I go. Luis: Respect. Doberman: so yeah, I was just in a t shirt and panties because I'm a trans woman. now the article already says the city that I'm in, I'm in Midlothian, Texas. now Midlothian, Texas is a veteran city, mostly veterans. Most most of the houses here are VA loans. and it's extremely MAGA. It's extremely red. so it's a really bad idea to take somebody who is in you know, an apartment, half naked, w obviously wearing feminine underwear in a red city in Texas. That's just immediately putting my life at danger. Because now, even though I don't see any more feds. I still have to watch over my shoulder now because people know where I live. People know that I'm a trans woman. And I I fear for my life. I carry everywhere now. More so. joe: Fucking gnarly. It's a disgusting display Doberman: But I'm joe: from this government, honestly. Doberman: It really is. Like the the response that they did because once and I've kind of forgot to say this, but once they got me against the wall, they asked me for my name. I told them my name because again, I'm still kinda like spot you know, scatterbrained. I don't know what the fuck's happening. and they said high risk target acquired and secured. Which I'm like in instantly mind I'm like High risk. The fuck? I'm one person. I'm a fucking sharp. Like what fucking high risk? I'm not a fucking like special operative. Like I'm just joe: So you want to Doberman: a fucking person. joe: Whoa. Copy, put mute. You're super loud. you wanna tell why you were considered high risk and what they had the warrant for? Doberman: Yeah, I actually I have the warrant right here. the reason why this is blacked out is because this has my address and I'm not gonna dox myself. so the warrant, it was a no knock warrant issued by the FBI. the charges that they were trying to hit me with were and the subsections would follow is conspiracy to commit an offense, aiding and abetting an offense, murder, conspiracy to commit murder. Excuse me. protection of officers and employees of the United States and unlawful acts involving explosives. the recent I was added I was attempted charged with those is I was in a group chat that I participated in. The group chat is called the ARA or APN. Now, the ARA I know that that can seen as anti racist action, it was not. It was American Revolutionary Alliance. turns out that this group, although they were saying some really far left talking points and anarchist talking points, there were the extremely far right extremist accelerationist. and they were planning an attack on the White House during the UFC two fifty match. Luis: Wow. and and and you know what, people are gonna have questions, so I'm gonna ask them now. How did you get hooked up with a right wing group? I understand that happens. How did Doberman: Yeah. Luis: it ha I I I mean, I get it. it's never happened to me, but like how did that happen to you? Doberman: So the thing is, I didn't know they were far right. I knew nothing about it. They were talking about elites, they're talking about billionaires, they were sharing anti ice stuff. None of that is far right. All of that is far left. and I was talking to this person, the reason why I'm talking about this person is because turns out that they were kind of pretending to be a leftist. Shepard. Which Shepard, I'm sure once you get out of prison, if you get out of prison. Fuck you and fuck the APN and fuck the ARA. I don't give a fuck about your op sec. I'm gonna blow everything out of the fucking water. But Shepard at the time was we were we were kind of just chatting, they kind of messaged me on TikTok because they like that I'm you know an armed medic. that's what I do. And you know they were asked me some questions about, you know, medical stuff, you know, what tourniquets to recommend, what chests. When no vented chest steel versus unvented chest steel, you know, needle decompression, stuff like that. Which that's normal. I constantly get that. Luis: Yikes, bro. yikes. So let's get back to it. So they've got you a trans woman, not very clothed, you're in the back of the cruiser, your house has been blown open with a goddamn drone. Your dog is who knows where the fuck your dog is. And you hear high value target in custody. What'd you think? Did you I mean like some people are gonna say Doberman: Ha ha. Luis: it's crazy that le a week later you're here talking with us. Right? Let Doberman: Yeah, and Luis: so so especially with those charges. So what happens and how do you get out? Doberman: So what happened was honestly whenever they said high value target secured, I'm like, fuck. Like this is either like this is either military or I'm about to get shot in the back of the head. That's what I'm thinking, before I'm taken to the police car. So I'm I'm already thinking, okay, I fought my fight. I'm about to lose my life for the cause, so fucking be it. and Yeah, I know it's kinda weird that I'm out. the reason why they didn't charge me with anything, they couldn't get anything. There is no evidence of me encouraging that behavior. because all I was doing on those group chats, I was answering medical questions. How to take care of a GSW, how to take care of lacerations, you know, what term you know, what medical gear I recommend. You know, I'm yeah. Luis: Okay, so there's so so there's no proofs, so they cut you loose. And here's where here's where I think everything becomes a little bit more dubious and here is where we're gonna ta spend a lot of time at. so they they kick you out, you get home, yeah y you know, I really want people to go read the article over at the intercept so I don't want to get into what they took there. but you get that back and you you you you there there's a knock on your door or you come home or what's Doberman: So I was yeah, so I was home. and I get a knock. It's it's a cop knock. You know how they k they knock them. Which instantly I'm like Round two That's all I'm thinking. It's just my door's about to be kicked in again. but I don't have a fucking little peephole, so I can't see what the fuck is happening. so I open the door and it's an FBI agent. And he hands me the phone directly. Which my consensus that I've looked at talking to other people who have had federal, you know, interactions. They're not gonna bring the phone back to you. You're gonna have to pick it up at the office. Which that instantly made me suspicious. That instantly was like, okay, they've either put a pager bomb in it. Or they bugged it or both. so the guy then is like, Hey, here's your phone back. we didn't find anything, you know you're good to go. So I want to go shut the door and then he stops. And he's like, Hey, before you go, I have an offer. as you know, the Bureau has a lot of money. And I'm like, Okay. Like, I don't care. And he said, No, I'm not gonna say exactly what he said because it because the people who are involved have asked me not to. But essentially he said We know the people who you hold dear are struggling financially. We know you are struggling financially. And we're willing to offer you money to quote talk about and expose the quote bad actors. Now, the reason why he said bad actors is because immediately after he said, Now we know you're a good actor. We know that you're not going to harm innocent people. Which I'm like In my mind, I'm like, come on, just get to the fucking point. Get the fuck off my doorstep. Like, get to the point. And so he said, We at the Bureau are willing to offer you a hundred to two hundred thousand dollars. All you have to do is we know you're connected within the DFW scene. We just need information. Keep doing what you do. Don't be stupid. Just if you have any information that sets off That sets off red flags, then tell us. And I'm like, I'll think about it. Which obviously I'm gonna say I think about it so they don't fucking kick in my door again. but as I told the intercept, fuck no. 200,000 is yes, that is life changing money. That is stuff that would get me out of a lot of shit. But it's not worth my integrity, it's not worth my character. My father was a United States Marine. Well not was, is once a Marine, I was a Marine. and he taught me stand up for what's right, stand up for what you believe in and stand ten toes fucking down. And I'm two hundred thousand dollars, I'm not gonna rat out my comrades. I'm not gonna rent out the very people who I see as family. Luis: You know, first of all, respect. Joe looks like he has something to say right here. joe: No, I'm doing behind the scenes shit, but I I agree with that respect on that because that is something especially for a young person in the United States with especially with the state that we're in. that is an enticing offer for a lot of people. You know what I mean? That is life changing money for a lot of people. so I definitely commend you at not doing that. Luis: Yeah, ab Absolutely. very few people would do that. And in fact people are going to hear that and like we said, some people are going to take away the proper information from this podcast and some people are going to take away nefarious intent. Okay. after that, your head must be spinning and everything. and and Let's be honest, you know anti fascist praxis and for the most part it's don't talk to press and it's not about what I think right now or not 'cause I think that's fucking stupid. But that is said, Doberman: Yeah. Luis: what made you decide to come forward and talk with A D here? Doberman: So I had spoken with another comrade whenever I got my phone back, which I immediately went to my carrier to exchange it because fuck that. I don't trust that shit. I told him that Luis: Right. Doberman: hey my phone is dropping calls, you know, da da da da da. And boom bam pal, I got a phone, three days. So that happened. and then I got I'm sorry. Movement. I saw or Luis: Very good. Doberman: I talked with the DFW support committee on Instagram saying, hey, this happened. I alerted my local Brown Beret group saying, Hey, this happened. You know, be on the lookout, be safe. And the support committee, I'm not gonna say her name, but she told Luis: Yeah, no. Doberman: me to reach out on another platform. We spoke, and she's like, I recommend you go public with this. And the reason why is because If you isolate, if you go underground, you are already a wanted person. So if you disappear and you've already been isolating, people aren't gonna know. But if you're active, people are going to figure it out. So out of Luis: Absolutely. Doberman: my safety, I went public. Luis: Absolutely. And there's someone who came forward years ago for the same exact reason. literally, I d I don't know if you know, but like I had my house firebombed, we got Doberman: Yeah. Luis: shot at, blah blah blah blah blah. but yeah, sometimes sometimes putting yourself out there is the way to safety, not because you want anything other than that. I'd also like to point out that Again, much respect. we just got done talking about someone who showed cowardice at the start of this pod. And Doberman: Yeah. Luis: now we are speaking with someone who showed heroism. Right? Not only Doberman: Which for the coward it's crazy. Luis: not only for the work that you do, but again, Joe said it best. A young person turning down 200K in today's world. To have the foresight and the understanding that, hey, this is them buying me. This isn't them buying information. This is them long term. And the likelihood of me ending up in their cage anyway is still huge. So go eat a dick. Doberman: Exactly. Exactly. Luis: Respect. Okay, so now, hold on, sorry. AD's been over there waiting patiently. I feel like I'm telling a weird story, cutting back and forth and then bringing it together. Now A D. So do you get a phone call or do you reach out to Doberman? A.D. Chilcote: So I actually was talking to like everybody and their mother, trying to like figure out how I could get in contact with somebody because I figured that like one, I wanted to see if anybody else in the CLP was being targeted. But also I f I thought that that might be my best chance at actually getting somebody to tell me something. But then it turned out that I I didn't even have to because I managed to bully somebody into at least helping me narrow down where I could find Doberman and then from there I was able to just find their location through my own methods. Luis: Okay, so I'm gonna be honest, super kudos. also super weak sauce to whoever let this Doberman: Ha ha ha. Luis: wonderful person bully them, okay? Fucking Doberman: Ha ha ha ha. Luis: you are no comrade and you will fold to the fucking feds. Okay? Doberman: And here so here's the thing, which is kind of funny because other people were reaching out to me saying, Hey, somebody's looking for you. Which, Luis: Right. Doberman: like, I dude, I I kid you not, I got like 30 TikTok messages. Hey, this person's met this person's messaging me asking about Doberman. You know, what do I say? Like, so I'm like, what the fuck? Luis: Yeah. No, like like I can only imagine so yeah, but so kudos on the diligence, not kudos to giving up the information. So A.D. Chilcote: Well, okay, so I to to their credit, they actually only gave me partial information. They knew more that they refused to tell me. Luis: anyway, right, the bar is bar. A.D. Chilcote: Ha ha Luis: for me, for me, but like no, so when you first heard this story, did you believe it? It sounds insane. Joe and I first heard this story and Doberman, no disrespect, but Joe and I talked about it for a minute and because we had just met you randomly, right? And like and And so Joe and I talked and we were like, I don't know, but A.D. Chilcote: Yeah. Luis: 'cause it's not like it's just so what's dystopian and fucking scary. Anyway, so you did you believe it? Did what'd you think? Did you and A.D. Chilcote: Well, I think it's I think maybe it's in my nature as like a a an investigative person to be very skeptical of ev everything. Like I don't believe pretty much anything until I've seen proof for myself. Not wholeheartedly at least. so in initially all I knew was that Doberman had been raided, that they had tried to like seize things to get information. And then this person had told me, like, they're coming for us all. And I was like, I hope not. let's see. It's and it's like of course, because I was hearing this secondhand, like I as I told this person, like I can't even confirm that a raid happened. so that's part of why I needed to track down Doberman and be like, okay, but honestly, even like I'm not gonna lie, even after like we did the whole interview. Like I so in I guess like in my heart I believe Doberman because I know what kind of shit our government's capable of. I know what they've done in the past. especially like the FBI are dirty as hell. and so I did believe it, but like I still like I I feel like my my mind was still like, but we gotta prove this to other people. So like as I was leaving. This is a funny story. I forgot to even tell Doberman this. I've been meaning to tell you. But I saw one of her neighbors and they were in a Bloodborne shirt. And I was like, this is perfect. I love Bloodborne. So I like complimented their shirt. And they I guess like that was enough of a charm that I was like, So did you hear like a commotion here Monday night? Did you hear anything going on? They were like, the FBI? I was Yeah, when were they here? And I was like, Around like six, I don't know, they told me to stay inside. And then he gave me he gave me a slow cooker. Doberman: You gotta fuck a I need a slow cooker. Motherfucker I broke as shit. A.D. Chilcote: Well, I'll go hold on, I got a I I got a right here, I'll show you. Luis: That's awesome. joe: That's too funny. You know what I will say is that eighties Copy: That's fucking mint. joe: eighties article was a big thing for me. there's the slow cooker, that's fucking awesome. Luis: Holy shit. A.D. Chilcote: It's a surprise. joe: But no, it was the Doberman: my god. joe: The article was a big thing for me, right? Because I am naturally distrusting of everybody. A.D. Chilcote: Mm. joe: even people that I know. You know what I mean? So to see that be published with more details, it definitely opened me up a bit more to Okay, cool. 'Cause I mean like like Louise said, no no disrespect, Doberman, but we met you on the internets Doberman: No, I get it. joe: and we're fucking we're talking all of a sudden this happens like this seems fishy. You know what I mean? I was like I was I was like I was like, I don't know, I don't trust it. I don't trust it. And then fucking Luis: Weirdly UB so it's weird joe: What's that? Luis: how many people try to get close to us. Not that you were trying to get close to us or anything like that, but you know what I'm saying? Like yeah. Yeah, right. That's no, no. That's awesome, dude. Like like like I Doberman: Dude, I didn't know who you were. Like I no, I kid you not. I thought you were a fucking starp. And I'm like, hell yeah. A.D. Chilcote: Mm-hmm. Luis: I I love that shit, bro, right? 'Cause I'm just an old man, bro. But joe: Same. Luis: but yeah, like Joe said, It was it was a a really well written article. I encourage everyone to go over and read it. but Let's talk about the implications for a minute of this article, right? Let's talk about the fact that no other media source has picked up this story yet. Let's talk about the implications of that. The implications of the government kicking down the door, okay, with no knock warrants. Which I didn't even know was a thing. I thought that thing was done with, honestly. Right? Fucking dragging people out. And then let's talk about I don't know if it's morality or if it's the ethics of offering to pay money for information, which as the article points out, you cannot trust that information. Out any more than you can trust information from torture. Doberman: Exactly. A.D. Chilcote: Well and that's sorry not to not to interrupt, but that's Luis: Right? I mean go ahead. Sorry, not the not interrupt. No, go ahead. A.D. Chilcote: that's actually what I've been trying to monitor the response to this article. because there's also like as a journalist, there is some risk if like the FBI thinks that I have information that they want. so I have been trying to see the reaction to this and one of the things that I was actually very happy to see, and this was something that I also got from my partner who's more conservative, has more conservative friends that like across the political spectrum, people had a problem with this. Like people thought that it was wrong. And that's like that was very rewarding for me because one of the things that I found as somebody who comes from a swing state where like people talk about politics a lot, people's views change a lot. I am very open to interacting with people who have different political ideologies than me. And like I actually have this person who is a conservative YouTuber that I've been talking to since I came here. And today I actually just proved to him that like I I just led him to like the conclusion that Antifa is not real. Like it is not a real group. And he was like mind blown. But that's part of why I feel like I feel like if I can conduct like great evidence-based journalism where I can prove all of these points, then it is impossible for anybody to deny what I'm telling them. You know? Luis: What are you telling them? A.D. Chilcote: I'm telling them that the government right now does not care about you. It doesn't care about any of us or our health or safety. The only thing the government is worried about right now is the legacy of the man who is in the Oval Office. Doberman: One hundred percent. And the government will step on you and kill you or bury you or imprison you if you start to violate that legacy, if you start to threaten that legacy. It's why loyalists Luis: So Doberman: should not be in office. Copy: Well and I don't mean to correct anybody. I I I defer to not call that individual that's in the Oval Office as a man, but let's just call a A.D. Chilcote: Yeah. Copy: you know, call it what it is, the pedophile in chief. Doberman: Hundred percent. joe: God dude, fucking completely off topic. but off of what Coppy said there. So I I just flew back into the United States last week. And I landed into Washington, D.C. airport, the Dulls. And it was wild getting off the plane. There was MAGA shit everywhere. My fucking wife. Is she doesn't give a shit about anything. She was walking through the airport in Washington, DC last week, just telling people, Donald Trump's a pedophile! Fucking super Doberman: Ha ha ha. joe: loud at people for like 20 minutes straight, dude. Walking from fucking terminal, fucking whatever we were at to the fucking next one. Just Donald Trump's a pedophile! Hey, did you know Donald Trump is a pedophile? I was like, fuck, Doberman: Ha ha ha. joe: dude. I'm gonna get fucking Copy: I can attest to his wife's like just not give a fuck. We'll like Joe and I are two joe: Ha ha ha. Copy: big individuals, like size wise. That woman has more intestinal fortitude than both of us combined. I I will capitulate Doberman: Ha ha ha. Copy: that a hundred percent. Luis: So A D, you said that the re so we call it over here on the extreme left, right? Or as I like to call the hard left. we call them the regime, right? Because they are in fact a fascist regime practicing violence and practicing fascism. Do you belie and and so in all honesty, it it or Yeah, whatever, clarity, whatever. I I I'm an anarchist, right? Like now, I think Joe's an anarchist. Copy, probably, maybe, I don't know. does it matter we Copy: I fucking hate everything. A.D. Chilcote: Yeah. Luis: Cool. Fuck it, equal opportunist. But you know, we realize that like our utopia will never come. But that being said, do you s and and we believe that voting are ourselves out of this as long. So I guess you know you would call us militant revolutionaries, whatever. in your opinion, is there still a way out of this? A.D. Chilcote: I think I think so, but I do think that it is i is gonna require all of us to kind of wake up and pay attention and that is part of why I want to try and there are drain flies in my house. They're driving me insane. if you've seen me Doberman: Mm-hmm. A.D. Chilcote: swatting all over the place this whole time, I'm not crazy. That's what it is. Sorry. but Copy: That's exactly what a crazy person would say, by the way. A.D. Chilcote: Well I Doberman: Exactly. A.D. Chilcote: am why I did tell I did tell Doverman I really wanted to join the Marines but I was too crazy. Couldn't get in. Luis: That's a marine right there. Copy: They they told you Aw man, your recruiter sucked a bunch of fucking navel lint. Luis: Okay. S so so so so Doberman: Same here. That's the thing. I've also tried doing this. Then they said the same thing. Luis: so Doberman, I'm gonna ask you the same question. Okay, okay. joe: Well hold hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's get back, let's let AD finish her thought there on you think that there is a way out of this, but it's gonna take all of us to come together. The flies got in the way there. but A.D. Chilcote: Yes, the joe: what what how do you envision us coming out of this? A.D. Chilcote: I think that it would be pretty pretentious of me to think that I know all the answers, honestly. but I It see it's it's difficult because on on one hand we have kind of been through this before, so we should know better. but on the other, I think that A big part of what has caused a lot of these problems is just that our government has kind of been running too slowly as like a lot of technology has been advancing very rapidly. And that has really changed a lot of things in our culture that we just did not catch up with fast enough. Not to mention that we had like some pretty horrible educational initiatives that really messed things up for everyone. so the I think like the biggest problem right now is ignorance and we need to find a way to cure that. and I think that I'm actually pleased with what I'm seeing in Texas right now with the reactions to the changes in the learning curriculum, the new Bible book list. I am happy to see people who are Christians who are saying like this is wrong. We should not be inflicting this on all of our students because like a a thing that's relevant to for what part of the reason why I care about this so much is that I am an ethnic Jew and I am descended from a Holocaust survivor. And I I want to honor the fact that she sacrificed her entire family. It's I might tear up. So sorry, but I she sacrificed her entire family. She was raped by a Nazi guard who just happened to show her some favor, and that is the only reason why she was able to make it out alive. And she came to this country so that I could be free. And I I want to honor her by fighting for other people's freedom, the same way that she fought for her descendants. and also that's why I have a deep hatred to fascism. Doberman: Mm-hmm. A.D. Chilcote: so I I think that I I part of the reason I see some hope is because I see how many people are dissatisfied with what's going on. And I think that part of it is these people should have been able to see this sooner, and that's where that that aspect of ignorance comes through. But I know I think like part of the ignorance is that some people don't. legitimately don't know what they can do about it. I know like one of the things that my partner said is that they just don't see how, you know, going to protests and making a lot of noise or whatever can can help. And I was like, well, one, have you ever actually been to a protest? Because I don't know what you think that they are, but they're not like a riot. Okay. but two, it lets people know that they're not alone. It shows people that it's okay to think this way, that that they're not the only person who's unhappy and that like, you know, they can't they can't come and get us all. Like the I mean, the the Cheeto in office has like a 34% approval rating. Could you imagine if we just like got all of those people who are already disapproving of what's going on to actually take a stand. I'm really hoping that we can do that through the polls. However, I do think that the integrity of this election is at risk. And I'm hoping that those people who are in positions of power will do their jobs. Because I mean, if we actually think back to what happened on January 6th, you can say whatever you want about the vice president then, but he he did do his job by not taking those like fake votes. And like not doing what he was ordered to do. I don't know if you have ever heard like a deep investigation into that. but I know Pence was actually ordered to like accept fake elector votes by Trump and he refused to do it. so I do that's one of the reasons I have faith why even like some of the evilest people that I think are in our government do eventually have like a point where they will put their foot down and say no more. I just wish that he hadn't managed to fill our government with loyalists so that we could get to that point a little bit sooner. joe: So one of the things that I've talked about with Luis a bunch is that I'm ho the one thing that I'm hopeful for is that in every authoritarian movement throughout history, there's always people on the inside working to dismantle it and we'll never know their fucking names, right? As a matter of fact, I guarantee you a lot of them we look at we fucking hate throughout history, right? But that is how these s these systems have been brought down is from the inside. So I'm hopeful that there's somebody who we're all looking at on the daily going, What a fucking cunt. that is secretly working To fucking dismantle this regime. I I I'm hopeful for that. I'm not a hundred percent convinced that it's happening. This feels different, but I I am hopeful for that. So I I do feel what you're saying there. Luis: Joe, I think, you know, not to play devil's advocate or anything, but I'm actually convinced that that's happening, right? Because you look at where we live and there are a lot of people that work in the DA's office that are friends to the militant left. Okay? I let me say I feel one hundred percent confident being arrested for political activity in Multnomah County. I'm good. Doberman: Yeah. Luis: Fucking. Okay? Now if I'm out Copy: And I would agree that we're probably taken care of over in our counties, respectively, so Luis: Y Yeah. Yeah, but I mean i just in the northwest. But I wouldn't feel comfortable being arrested where Doberman got arrested. In some place Doberman: No Luis: some place called Leviathan? What the fuck, bro? Wha like whatever, there you go. Doberman: Midlothian. joe: Mid Lothian. A.D. Chilcote: that's okay. I could I kept calling it like six different things too. I kept calling like Miflofian. Luis: So here's the thing. joe: You know what's a trip? Doberman: Listen. joe: Real quick, I just wanna throw out where Midlothian comes from, which is a trip. it's actually an area in Scotland. That is where Luis: Mm. joe: the name is originated. It it Midlothian is the area between Glasgow and Edinburgh. Doberman: Interesting. Luis: Clearly Joe showing you guys how deep our research team goes. Like, just showing you guys. A.D. Chilcote: Yeah, I was about to say that was a very that was a very nerdy comment. I appreciated Doberman: I didn't fucking know that. A.D. Chilcote: it though. Copy: That's that's that the Luis: We do research. Copy: that's that straight combat vet ADHD fucking hyperfocus, Doberman: Yeah. Copy: isn't it, buddy? You got fucking sidetracked A.D. Chilcote: Okay. Copy: on a YouTube video. joe: No, it's not even a YouTube video, but like I'm really knowledgeable about shit in Scotland and Ireland and the UK and things of that nature. Copy: Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Luis: He yeah, yeah, he really is. Alright, I mean, so first of all, again, now I want to get to this money point. It's no big secret that fucking the state has used paid informants to lie time and time again. Five thousand, a thousand here, but holy shit, six figures. And this man said it to you with a straight face. Doberman: Straight faith. Luis: And you believed him? Doberman: No, I knew it was bullshit. Luis: Like like like like like like no, like I mean did you like like well I I know you knew it was bullshit, but do you think that like he they would have given you the money had you taken it? Doberman: Fuck no. Did you see what happened with the fucking motherfucker that rented out Luigi? That motherfucker didn't get shit. Luis: No, s no, and I mean, weren't there honestly rats in the in A.D. Chilcote: By the way, I live ten minutes away from that McDonalds where he got arrested. Luis: Ho holy shit. was it w weren't there rats in the Prairie Land case as well? Didn't some defendants turn state's evidence? A.D. Chilcote: Yes. They took it deal. Doberman: I believe so. Yeah. Luis: what was do you do you know just off that off the top of your head what and like as an example what wanna one of those deals were? I mean, if they were giving people that didn't take deals thirty years, a hundred years, what was getting a deal looking like for that those people? Did they do time? Do you guys A.D. Chilcote: I do not know off Doberman: Fifteen. A.D. Chilcote: of the top of my head. Sorry, if the to interrupt. I just know because I was talking to the Prairie Land defendants, I was going I was actually going to do a documentary with them. But I I believe that it varied depending on who it was. Doberman: Yeah, they were they're gonna do fifteen, the plea deal. A.D. Chilcote: Do the feds just mess with our connection again? Luis: Hold on, come back. Hold on, come back. Come back. Doberman: God damn it, Feds. A.D. Chilcote: No. No. Okay. I saw the reconnection symbol. I got so worried. Luis: okay, you're you're back. Copy: Hey, hey, yeah, yeah Doberman: Yeah Luis: Okay, you're back. Okay, okay, okay. So Doberman let us know that somebody was doing 15 years. are you in like you don't have to answer this, but you know, if you are in contact with those defendants, please, please, please send them my solidarity and my love. And and if there's any way we can put their their address out, like if they want to get mail. If they if we can put out if they want us to put out their DOC number so they can get money on commissary. Copy: Yeah, I was gonna say, let's get some money on those folks' books. Luis: Yeah. A.D. Chilcote: actually, Doberman: Yeah, a hundred percent. A.D. Chilcote: I can put you in contact with the outreach guy on the support team. Yeah. Luis: Sweet. All right, we'll we'll take care of that after the show. yeah, so Wow. Off I mean there are people that are gonna hear this story and and and just run with it and try to look to get a payday and I I am really sorry for that. and any of you people b that are out there and thinking about that, just let me be honest with you. I fucking hope you get it in the worst possible ways. Right. joe: Well, the reality of the situation, like we had spoken on earlier, is that you take these fucking payouts and now you are property of the fucking feds straight up. Like you think you're gonna go in and fucking give a fucking couple pieces of info, maybe get some people taken down, like now it doesn't stop there. Eventually you will end up in that cage and the fact that you're a fucking snitch will come out Doberman: Mm. joe: And you ain't gonna be in for a good time because at the end of the day, they don't give a fuck about you. They're not gonna put you in protective custody because you're a fucking rat. There's a simple fucking rule to live by. Never fucking rat on anybody for any fucking Doberman: Exactly. joe: thing. A.D. Chilcote: Well and I think sorry. I I keep interrupting everyone. Luis: Go go ahead. No, no. joe: You're good, A D. Luis: You're you you're so okay. I'm just I'm just a brown guy. It's all right. A.D. Chilcote: I'm I'm pale as snow. joe: fuck off, Louise. Copy: This the second time you've gotten us with that, you asshole. Doberman: Ha ha ha. Luis: It's not the last it's not the last time either. Go ahead. Muscle your way in. A.D. Chilcote: I think like an important thing for people who might be considering doing that to know that might, you know, discourage them is that the actual qualification is that they will pay you for information that leads to an arrest. And what exactly that means is entirely up to them. And most of the time you don't get shit. Luis: So I Doberman: Yeah. Luis: would so I would encourage both you and Doberman, okay, and anyone listening to this to go to my website, www.antifascistmemoir.com. And if you go there and you look, I believe it's the second appendix, which is on the top. There'll be two there'll be two areas, one that says appendix one and appendix two. I believe that if you click on appendix two, is a full conversation, the first time it was ever published, of a CI, a criminal informant, and Officer Jeffrey Naya, who now works for the Spokane Police Department. So of those of you up in Spokane listening, fuck Jeffrey Naya. We chased him out of Portland. But yeah, and so I'd be curious for your take on for both of you, if you get the time to read through that conversation. 'Cause it's a couple of months worth of texting back and forth and let me know what you think about them, right? And anybody else who's curious onto how the cops are going to try and turn you, right? They did that shit with Doberman. Doberman, you're a good one. Right? Doberman, you're not gonna harm me, but you're a bad you're not a bad one. We can see that they did that with the CI and on in those texts. So I just wanted to point that out there. and like you guys said, I mean, first of all, like look. Three of us I know are from the streets and where we come from, literally, the phrase snitches get snitches is not like some fucking hyperbole motto that gets fucking sewn onto a hat. You know what I'm saying? and and and and so you're gonna get what's coming to you. Now, those of you that heard the opening monologue and have actually stayed This deep, an hour and a half into the conversation. First of all, congratulations. Second of all, maybe you should talk to a therapist about getting a life. But Doberman: Yeah. Luis: what I hope that you're gonna take away from this conversation is the example of Doberman. When we started this podcast, we told you guys that we were gonna bring you guys the best in music, the best in anti fascist politics. and what not and Today we really have. Today this is today you guys all learned that private citizens' homes are being raided. People that a medic. A medic doesn't do what copy I or Joe does. They're a medic joe: Allegedly. Luis: with words. Copy: Allegedly. Well, joe: Allegedly. Copy: d not to interrupt real quick, I I I stopped being a street medic at the George Floyd protest because they started shooting the forty mic mic rupper rounds directly into my fucking legs, so I had to stop doing the medic side and allegedly do other things. I just I get you staying a medic and doing that? Bravo. I'm just too fuck I think I'm in my forties, so Doberman: I actually started. I was I actually started doing my medic stuff in the George Floyd protest. I have been Copy: Nice. Luis: But Dober Doberman: hit I have been hit by 40 mic mic. Those motherfuckers heard. That's actually why I have a fucking PC. Copy: Yeah. There you go. There you go. Luis: Doberman, you are personally one of my heroes. Okay? I I no no no no no look look look look Doberman: Don't fucking say that. I'm just I'm just a I'm just a white bitch. Luis: no I I might be indigenous, but let's be honest. Like you come from a more marginalized community than any one of us. Okay? Your community is the most in danger in this country, right? And and and That money that you were offered could have, as you said, changed your life. Okay? And rather than fucking betray everything that you say you believe in, which ninety-nine percent of these motherfuckers would out there would do because they're blinded by fucking this pretend thing of money, you stood firm. And fucking that's why you're my hero, bro. I respect anybody. And I don't mean that, bro, like disrespectfully. I'm really sorry. I call my girl, bro. Like, like, like, like, like, like Doberman: No, you're I I don't care. Like I see Brawl's endearment. Luis: right, like, like Joe is from California. That dude calls his burrito dude. You know? fucking. joe: Yeah. Luis: Right? Like, so but you did the thing. And you're Doberman: Well Luis: not out there on social media. And and you continue to fight and you continue to fight for those that cannot fight. And you didn't back fucking Doberman: Super Fidelis. Luis: down. You didn't back down. So most people most people fucking would have that adventure and be like, yo, I'm tapping out. Right. Doberman: Because I know joe: Yeah. Doberman: that if I stop this fight, this fight will come to my doorstep regardless. Unfortunately, unless we're able to organize as a collective and stop this shit in its fucking tracks, this is going to be yet another eighty year war plus an eighty year plus war against fascism. And I don't want I I don't want if I have kids to have to fight the same fucking fight that I'm doing right now. I don't want my fucking you know granddaughter to have to worry about Nazis showing up to her fucking door. I don't want to have to worry about my brother's granddaughter, who is a indigenous Chicano person, showing up or I showing up and killing them. It it's it's the Marine Corps motto, Semper Fidelist, forever loyal, always loyal. Copy: Always faithful. Doberman: Stay loyal to your fucking people because if you stay loyal to your community, your community will take care of you. It is a part of community defense and community care. joe: Word. Copy: I highly recommend reading some Art of War and reading some Nietzsche too. Luis: I mean, you know what? I I I think those are some pretty good words to end on, y'all. before we end here, let's just do a quick round robin. Aidy, do you have anything else? Are you working on anything else? Where can people find you? to know more about you. A.D. Chilcote: mostly I am on Instagram, which is a it's just A D chill coat with an underscore I think. I don't know. I don't think so. I'm not used to shouting myself out. This is new. Luis: No worries. no worries. I hope you keep riding. A.D. Chilcote: It's the same thing on YouTube. Those are my two those are my two primary sources. Luis: Sweet, I'm sure we'll have you back. Thank you for being here. Doberman, where can people find you? What do you got going on? Give any shout out to any orgs, any message you want to convey to the feds. But before you do that, thank you for trusting Joe and I with your story. Thank you for coming on and sharing your story. Thank you for talking to A D. And and sharing your story to the broader public at large rather than just the anti fascist community. If y y you know what I mean, right? Like we all know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah, yeah. Right? Doberman: Yeah. I know, yeah. I know exactly what you mean. Luis: like what goes around in our world doesn't necessarily go around in in the mainstream. Doberman: Yeah. Luis: so thank you. And thank you for all the work that you continue to do and stay firm. And I'm really honored to call you friend from the bottom of my heart. so yeah. Any last words, anything you wanna say, any fuck use? Let it be known now. Doberman: yeah, I have I have some I have some fuck you're sure. PSL Luis: And the list goes, right? Here we go. Doberman: FRSO fuck you for trying to stop militant anti fascists from showing up to events and public fucking property. Fuck you for asking cops to fucking be there and relying on them for your fucking protection. Fuck you for trying to accuse people who are doing good fucking work with no proof. of any type of allegations. And to to the feds. Hi FBI, hi CIA, hi Secret Service, you think you killed Doberman. You think you killed my message. You think you killed my momentum. You have made me bigger than ever. You have lit a fire under my ass that I must stomp out. And if y'all want to find me on TikTok, I am Doberman underscore DFW. If you want to find me on Instagram, I'm Doberman underscore CLB. That's Charlie Lima Bravo underscore DFW. That's Delta D yeah Delta with Fox Shot joe: Foxworthy. Fox trot. Doberman: Whiskey. Sorry, listen. and if you want to follow my Twitter, which I don't know why, the fucking cesspool. Don't don't go on Twitter. But it's also Doberman underscore DFW. joe: It's Doberman: and so the to the trans people that I'm sure you're watching or I'm sure you might hear clips of this. I promise you, we are fighting. We are not going to let you become extinct. We are not going to let the genocide continue. We are not going to let you lose your fucking life. As far as I breathe air and I have blood pumping through my fucking veins. I will fight for every marginalized community that is black, brown, gay, trans, regardless. I stand with the people, and I will not stop standing. I will die on my feet. Luis: That's beautiful. That's fucking beautiful. copy. Aside from anything going on here, we'll see you again here next week. Thank you for joining the casting crew. Thank you for being here. and Copy: I appreciate it. Appreciate I can't guarantee I'm gonna be here because we do have that guy that likes to have relations with that animal here that I'm gonna be going and having a conversation with s allegedly, so I'm gonna go r rescue a German shepherd. Luis: Alright, so we didn't Copy: Yeah. Luis: hit stop record yet. But anyway, let me see here let me joe: Yeah. Luis: so so what do you have going on here in the near future? Where can people find you at the socials joe: Mm. Luis: and any projects going on? Copy: Who am I? Luis: Yeah. Copy: I mean, really the only one I'm gonna be using is my ninja write underscore writing underscore fool. It's on Instagram. I I really just put out comical shit. Occasionally I'll put out some serious shit that I've been writing. I've been writing a little bit about coming up and dealing with the military and then coming back to anti fascism after being in the military and seeing a lot of weird shit. But That's pretty much what I'm working on right now. And then really it's just like small time community action over here. I'm I'm in my mid forties, my body's shot, so you know, I ain't got much over here. But what's nice is the town that I live in, there is a pretty decent sized community of the young youth that They've got all the fucking heart in the world. It's just they live in the fucking Oregon coast, so they don't know what the fuck to do. So it's been nice to kind of like help guide them. It's like here, get this kind of stuff, get this kind of stuff. Don't fucking wash your eyes out with fucking milk. Like, you know. That kind of shit. It's like little itty bitty fucking tidbits after getting fucking years like up you know, I'm sure like I see Doberman. all of us that have been out there, they we know what they're gonna fucking throw at us. And, you know, it it does need to happen and that that's kinda maybe, you know, maybe that's a call out to all us old heads out there. Get off your fucking lazy asses and fucking do something. Luis: I mean, yeah, before Joe and I take our final words, I I I would just like to take a moment to adjust that copy, actually. Wow, that's crazy. it's two thousand and twenty six. I mean no disrespect to my elders and I mean no disrespect to the older heads. But a lot of you guys are sitting by. And aren't active anymore because quite honestly we see the stakes have ri raised. The stakes are bigger. Okay? And what I will tell you is like you're needed. You're needed desperately. Right? Because because of your steadfastness. A lot of you guys taught us not to snitch and taught us the rules by which we live. And we need you guys to come back. I know it's scary. I know you don't a wanna end up in a cage any more than the rest of us. But old timers, it ain't done. You're not done. You know what I'm talking about. Hate me if you will. Joe, with that being said, you got any poops happening? Anything you got going on? Any final words for you? joe: I'll give you some final words. First off, I think it was funny. I was thinking Dallas Fort Worth and mixed up Foxtrot with Dallas Fort Worth and came up with Foxworthy, like the fucking hillbilly redneck fucking comedian guy. That was kind of funny. but you know, something interesting, Copy: You might be a redneck. joe: right? Something Doberman: Yeah. joe: interesting that I was looking at last night. Did you guys know that every fucking state has a state vegetable? It's weird, right? Like Luis: What's this say vegetable of organ? joe: a potato. Do you know what the state vegetable of Texas is? It is, yeah, it's weird, right? A state vegetable of Texas is a sweet onion. And do you guys know what the state vegetable of Kentucky is? Copy: Go. joe: Mitch McConnell. Copy: Nah, brother. Doberman: Yeah Luis: Holy fuck that was good. joe: All right. Luis: Holy shit. Copy: I did not see that coming. I I I I did not see that coming. Luis: my god, bro, that was fucking good, bro. Fucking Jesus. joe: That's all I got. A.D. Chilcote: Thank you, we're about to get a Netflix special out of that one. joe: Ha ha ha. Copy: Dude, y th they Luis: You know what? Copy: should do a Netflix special about that homie's life. Doberman: Ha ha ha. Copy: Y'all Pirates Luis: With that note Copy: of the Sea Luis: with that note, we will see you guys next week. if you're out there, just keep the faith up. Keep your boots laced up, keep your shit tight, and fuck up a fascist, make the world a better place. And as I always say, suckin!