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Ep. 1067: Back 40 - Every Time I Scout I Feel Like I'm Hurting my Chances · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: What is going on?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Back 40. This is Jake Holfer,
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  Speaker 2: and we brought back our guest and panel for this
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  Speaker 2: sequence of Back 40.
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  Speaker 1: We have Bill Wienke, Jeff Sturgis, Aaron Warburton, and Adam Keith.
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  Speaker 2: And now that it is September, there's this delicate balance
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  Speaker 2: of preparing for this upcoming season and not impacting your
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  Speaker 2: odds from pressure or intrusion. And I hope you guys
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  Speaker 2: really enjoy this point-blank, The question that I'm providing to
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  Speaker 2: the guest is every time I scout, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I'm hurting my chances.
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  Speaker 1: What should I do?
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  Speaker 2: And we're going to kick things off with Bill Winkie
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  Speaker 2: and get his perspective on this exact topic. Now that
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  Speaker 2: we are in September. Back 40 is brought to you
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  Speaker 2: by Moultrie. All right, Bill, it's officially September. My summer, uh,
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  Speaker 2: has flown by and, uh, We're within days of October
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  Speaker 2: and I need to get out there.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I need to scout it.
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  Speaker 2: But every time I feel like I go out and scout,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm inherently hurting my chances because people
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  Speaker 2: say you don't want the deer to know that they're
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  Speaker 2: being hunted. I don't want to go in and pressure things.
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  Speaker 2: But I also don't know what the heck's going on
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  Speaker 2: because I've had a million things going on this summer.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that are listening right now
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  Speaker 2: that says, hey, that's me. So what do you say
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  Speaker 2: to someone that says every time I scout, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I'm still hurting my chances for this upcoming season?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think you can get away with a lot
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  Speaker 3: more than what you think. You just got to do
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  Speaker 3: it the right way.
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  Speaker 4: And the.
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  Speaker 3: Trick there is you got to match human activity. There's
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  Speaker 3: two ways you can get away with scouting. One is
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  Speaker 3: if the deer have no idea that you're there. You
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  Speaker 3: don't leave any trace. You don't leave any scent. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: you wear chest high waders while you're scouting.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I've done that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you're like, on the downwind fringe, the deer
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  Speaker 3: have no idea that you were there. That's one way.
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  Speaker 3: But if you can't do it that way, if you
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  Speaker 3: can't scout in such a way that the deer don't
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  Speaker 3: know that you were there, you're better off being that farmer.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like I said, matching the human activity, go
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  Speaker 3: in there with the tractor, start the chainsaw, make a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of noise, give them plenty of, of, you know, forewarning,
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  Speaker 3: run them out. Um, then, then do whatever it is
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  Speaker 3: that you need to do. If you're going to hang
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  Speaker 3: a tree stand or whatever, Like if I'm hanging a
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  Speaker 3: tree stand during the season, I'm going in with my tractor.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm going to get as close to that
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  Speaker 3: tree as I possibly can. I'm not putting in there
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  Speaker 3: with a four-wheeler. I'm not trying to sneak in. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to get away with any of that. I'm
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  Speaker 3: just going to go, you know, mashing in there with
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  Speaker 3: my tractor and I might even leave it running for
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  Speaker 3: a while. Like I said, fire up the chainsaw. That
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  Speaker 3: stuff doesn't bother them. It's like, I remember one time
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  Speaker 3: I was duck hunting and I grew up duck hunting
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  Speaker 3: and We were back on the islands on the Mississippi River,
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  Speaker 3: and it had been kind of flooded for a while,
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  Speaker 3: and the bases of a bunch of trees were starting
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  Speaker 3: to rot. We could actually knock the trees over. We
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  Speaker 3: could go through the woods and just push on them
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  Speaker 3: and knock them over, some of them, because they got
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  Speaker 3: so rotten. Well, there was three or four deer about.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe 150 yards away. We were sitting in the duck blind.
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  Speaker 3: And a tree fell like maybe 75 yards away from
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  Speaker 3: those deer.
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  Speaker 4: It crashed down. They didn't even look up.
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  Speaker 3: So it's the big noises that they just, they know
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  Speaker 3: it's not anything, you know, to be afraid of. It's
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  Speaker 3: that sneaky stuff. They don't like being surprised. They don't
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  Speaker 3: like looking up and having a person, you know, 20
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  Speaker 3: yards away while they're in their bedding area, feeling safe.
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  Speaker 3: You're better off just getting them out. So the heavy
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  Speaker 3: handed approach actually works pretty well. I've had a lot
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  Speaker 3: of success that way. I've gone, I've gone in with
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  Speaker 3: the tractor. You're going to laugh at this. I've gone
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  Speaker 3: in with the tractor, hung the stand, parked the tractor
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  Speaker 3: like 75 yards away, and got into the tree and
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  Speaker 3: had deer come by. They aren't afraid of that in
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  Speaker 3: farm country. I mean, obviously, you know, if you're not
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  Speaker 3: hunting in farm country, then it's different. But let's say
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  Speaker 3: you're hunting in an urban area. There's probably cars driving by,
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  Speaker 3: people going by in the, you know, sidewalks. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 3: near a park.
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  Speaker 4: You know, just have somebody.
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  Speaker 3: walk in with you and make a whole bunch of noise,
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  Speaker 3: like yelling like kids or something, and then just leave.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the deer, they don't hold that as anywhere
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  Speaker 3: near as big of a threat as if they catch
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  Speaker 3: you sneaking around.
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  Speaker 4: They don't like that.
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  Speaker 3: So that's where I never hesitate to do in-season scouting.
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  Speaker 3: For sure, it's better to have it all done ahead
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  Speaker 3: of time. So the first time you go in, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the deer have, they don't have any experience with you.
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  Speaker 3: But if you've got to do some in-season scouting or
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  Speaker 3: hang a stand during the season, don't be afraid to
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  Speaker 3: do it.
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  Speaker 4: Just don't try to sneak in.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that can be, like I said, way worse
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  Speaker 3: than just, you know, making yourself very obvious on the
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  Speaker 3: way in.
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  Speaker 2: There's a handful of people I know that have diesel
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  Speaker 2: UTVs versus gas powered. Do you think that's a crazy
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  Speaker 2: approach or do you think that's overkill?
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  Speaker 1: Because it makes perfect sense. I mean, it sounds different.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds way different.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds way different. And the deer run away from
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  Speaker 3: the ATVs, but I've seen them run from the tractors too.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, not as much.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of times they just kind of step out
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  Speaker 3: of the way. And I've actually done it where I've
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  Speaker 3: used tractors to access my stands in sensitive spots. And
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  Speaker 3: like I said, I just park maybe 100 yards from
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  Speaker 3: the tree and then go in. Well, I'll have trail
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  Speaker 3: cameras set up. for various reasons, not to monitor whether
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  Speaker 3: or not the deer are accepting the tractor, but rather
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  Speaker 3: just along that route that I used. It's shocking that
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  Speaker 3: if I would walk through an area, it might be
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  Speaker 3: a day before I see deer activity back on those
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  Speaker 3: cameras in that area. But if I drive through that
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  Speaker 3: same area on the tractor, it might be an hour,
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  Speaker 3: might be half an hour after I go through on
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  Speaker 3: the tractor, there's a deer on the camera on that
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  Speaker 3: same route that I took with the tractor. So I
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  Speaker 3: know that it's less impactful to use a tractor. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not 100% sure what the trade-off is between a tractor
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  Speaker 3: and an ATV. I do think the tractor is more
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  Speaker 3: accepted by the deer. I do think that deep, throaty, rumbly,
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  Speaker 3: diesel sound is more acceptable than that high-pitched, whiny ATV
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  Speaker 3: engine sound. I'm not sure if that's something that they
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  Speaker 3: pick up by association because they think farmers are safe
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  Speaker 3: or if it's just something in the, you know, in the,
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  Speaker 3: in the sound itself that they don't like.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure, but yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You can definitely get away with more with a tractor
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  Speaker 4: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I, I think it was the university of Georgia
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  Speaker 2: that did a deer study on what noise deer are
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  Speaker 2: most scared of. Do you have a guess of what
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  Speaker 2: it was?
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure it wasn't gunshots. It had to have been
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  Speaker 3: probably an ATV. It's human voice, human voice.
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  Speaker 4: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Human voices, what they had found to be the most frightening.
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  Speaker 2: They had like a, we interviewed them a long time
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  Speaker 2: ago when they released a study, but they had like
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  Speaker 2: a radio and, you know, like basically it would play
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  Speaker 2: noises and the deer would just, that would, you know,
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  Speaker 2: not coyote calls, not anything else. That was what scared
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  Speaker 2: them the most was human voices, ironically.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, fortunately, I don't talk a lot when I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to my tree stand.
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  Speaker 2: So don't talk to yourself.
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  Speaker 4: I got that going for me.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So you're giving people permission to go hide in plain sight,
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  Speaker 2: make the noise, to go do what you need to
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  Speaker 2: do because the summer snuck right by, but you want
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  Speaker 2: to be prepared, and now is the time to go
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  Speaker 2: out and do it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Bill, where can people follow along with what you
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  Speaker 1: have going on?
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  Speaker 3: You can check it out on the Bill Wienke YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 2: All right, next up, we have Aaron Warburton to get
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  Speaker 2: his perspective on this exact topic. What I appreciate with
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  Speaker 2: Aaron is he often and throughout the series would tailor
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  Speaker 2: it to if he was hunting public ground versus hunting
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  Speaker 2: behind his house or hunting a private piece of ground.
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  Speaker 2: And so here's what he has to say in case
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  Speaker 2: you're waffling of what to do in September. You want
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  Speaker 2: to be prepared, but you don't want to impact it negatively.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Aaron, I'm excited to ask you this question.
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  Speaker 2: Because this is the dilemma. Spring scouting is over. Summer
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  Speaker 2: scouting is wound down. It's September. We're leading into season.
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  Speaker 2: And this question is geared towards now until the end
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  Speaker 2: of the year. But every time I scout, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I'm hurting my chances from the pressure I'm applying
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  Speaker 2: to a particular area.
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  Speaker 1: What do you say to that person?
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  Speaker 5: Got to have the info. Got to have the intel.
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  Speaker 5: That's the number one thing. If you don't have it,
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  Speaker 5: go get it. That's kind of a very simple way
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  Speaker 5: of putting it, but I mean, I used to run
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  Speaker 5: around the barn 10 times on this thing all the time.
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  Speaker 5: I was a nervous wreck going out there, tiptoeing around,
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  Speaker 5: trying to worry about spooking deer. But I got to
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  Speaker 5: know how they move through that environment, especially if I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to get in a good high-odd setup to kill
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  Speaker 5: them with a bow. I got to know where that
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  Speaker 5: trail is, where that fallen log is that's diverting that
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  Speaker 5: movement around the head of this ditch or whatever. And
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  Speaker 5: if I don't know where that is, I got to
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  Speaker 5: go scout. So the next question people often ask is, well,
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  Speaker 5: how long can you scout before, you know, and then
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  Speaker 5: come back and things be back to normal? I don't
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  Speaker 5: know a specific time for that. All I know is that, man,
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  Speaker 5: if you go in and you burn through an area,
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  Speaker 5: you would be surprised how many deer you spook and
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  Speaker 5: how many deer you don't. There's so much that you
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  Speaker 5: don't know whenever you go in there. You can burn
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  Speaker 5: through an area and find the best spot ever and
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  Speaker 5: set up there and have the greatest hunt of your
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  Speaker 5: life a day. later, two days later, after you just
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  Speaker 5: blew right through it. I don't worry about that so
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  Speaker 5: much anymore. I try to get in there a week
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  Speaker 5: or two before and then have some time to leave
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  Speaker 5: it alone. But so much is changing in a deer's world,
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  Speaker 5: especially a buck's. throughout the fall, if you're talking about September,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, basically from now until Christmas, every week, something
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  Speaker 5: is changing in their world. Whether it's food sources or
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  Speaker 5: does coming in and out of heat or weather or
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  Speaker 5: whatever it is, they're just, they're constantly, constantly changing and switching.
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  Speaker 5: So the spots that you're scouting for in late September,
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  Speaker 5: you need to be anticipating where they're going to be
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  Speaker 5: moving in mid October or late October or early November
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  Speaker 5: or whatever timeframe you're scouting for. When I'm scouting in
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  Speaker 5: mid September or I'm scouting even right now, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: necessarily scouting for opening day, you know, which here is
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  Speaker 5: September 15th. I might be scouting a spot that would
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  Speaker 5: be good for Halloween, or I might be scouting a
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  Speaker 5: spot that would be a really good place for a
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  Speaker 5: big one to push a dough up against, you know,
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  Speaker 5: using as a barrier during lockdown portion of the rut. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, That's what I'm thinking about when I'm scouting.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not as worried about spooking deer, especially if I
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  Speaker 5: don't have the info. Because that's the biggest thing. If
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  Speaker 5: you've got 40 acres and you've walked every square inch
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  Speaker 5: of that property and you've been hunting for 20 years
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  Speaker 5: and you know where every deer trail is and how
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  Speaker 5: deer traverse through the whole thing, then no, you don't
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  Speaker 5: need to go bomb through it. But if you don't
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  Speaker 5: have all that information, I'm going out there. I spend
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  Speaker 5: 10 times more scouting time than I do hunting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's find some middle ground on that where it's
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  Speaker 2: someone that maybe is somewhat familiar with the property and
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  Speaker 2: they just feel like, I have a pretty good idea.
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  Speaker 2: I have a pretty good idea what the deer are doing.
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  Speaker 2: I have some deer I'm excited to hopefully see this season.
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  Speaker 2: But the unknown is killing me to where like, I
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  Speaker 2: just want to go back in there and look a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more or maybe see what I see or
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  Speaker 2: maybe find what is not there where they have a
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  Speaker 2: baseline of information. but they're hoping, like, what's the risk
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  Speaker 2: versus reward, and where is that line, in your opinion,
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  Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to get to.
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  Speaker 5: It just, it kind of depends. If you're hunting, like,
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  Speaker 5: one specific buck that is getting old and that's using
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  Speaker 5: your property a lot, and you can keep tabs on
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  Speaker 5: him either via camera or, you know, with your eyes,
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  Speaker 5: then you don't need to go in there. But if
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  Speaker 5: you don't know, if you don't have that, then... I
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  Speaker 5: would go in there a couple of weeks before you
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  Speaker 5: plan to hunt and I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, ideal scenario, you go in there and you
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  Speaker 5: walk the whole thing after the season and you figure
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  Speaker 5: that out. But it's, it's a tough, that's a tough
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  Speaker 5: one to, to answer, you know, because I feel like
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of people in that boat. If you've
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  Speaker 5: got a stand or two on that property, that is
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  Speaker 5: an absolute kill hole that you are planning to kill
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  Speaker 5: one in, you know, when you get your vacation at
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  Speaker 5: the end of October, early November, then I wouldn't go
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  Speaker 5: in there. you've got a plan in place. I would just,
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  Speaker 5: I would trust the process.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Trust the process.
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  Speaker 5: I would focus on other areas and do your thing,
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  Speaker 5: you know, or focus on scouting around the rim of
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  Speaker 5: that spot and just leaving that place alone entirely. But
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  Speaker 5: if you, that kind of goes back to what I
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  Speaker 5: initially said, it all comes down to if you have
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  Speaker 5: that plan and if you have that info, you know,
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  Speaker 5: this could all be tossed up in the air depending
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  Speaker 5: on your personality. If you're, if you can't sit still
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  Speaker 5: and you don't, and you like to move around, then
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  Speaker 5: you get a wet windy day, go and comb through
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  Speaker 5: that whole thing and with a bow or gun in
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  Speaker 5: hand and be ready to kill one right then and
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  Speaker 5: there work into the wind, you know, make something happen.
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  Speaker 5: So there's, there's lots of rabbits you can pull out
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  Speaker 5: of the hat there. You know, I mean, you can go,
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  Speaker 5: you can go a bunch of different directions with that, but, Um, yeah, I,
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  Speaker 5: I personally want to have the information. If I don't
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  Speaker 5: have all that information, I don't, I'm not at maximum
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  Speaker 5: confidence when I go in there. And the time when
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  Speaker 5: I kill them is usually when I'm very confident that
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  Speaker 5: it's going to happen right here.
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  Speaker 2: I feel, and this is my gut feeling on that too.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you go in and you go and tear
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  Speaker 2: through it. You look at it and it feels like
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  Speaker 2: it's a ghost town. You just don't have the vibe.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, all right, well, that's, that's helpful as well.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Or you go in there and it's tore up and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, it's going to happen. You know, there's this
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  Speaker 2: cold front next week or, um, you know, this scrape
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  Speaker 2: always opens up sometime in September. And I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I put a camera that like, I think it's no
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  Speaker 2: information's also just as good as great information in that scenario.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: No information is very critical to analyze. It's all about
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  Speaker 5: the confidence level that you have, you know, regardless of
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  Speaker 5: how that you want to hunt. I feel like you
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  Speaker 5: got to have confidence going in there. If you don't
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  Speaker 5: have confidence, They could be for a wide variety of
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  Speaker 5: different reasons. But for me, it's often because I don't
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  Speaker 5: know how the wind behaves in this spot, or I
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  Speaker 5: don't know enough about this place. I don't know where
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  Speaker 5: the deer are coming from, et cetera. If I don't
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  Speaker 5: have confidence, I'm going to start making mental mistakes and
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  Speaker 5: mental errors. And that, that is a huge aspect of it. So. I,
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  Speaker 5: that's what I would use to judge it off of.
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  Speaker 5: I know this is kind of, you know, turns into.
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  Speaker 1: It's just threading the needle here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. You know, it turns into psychology real quick, but it's.
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  Speaker 1: It's the reality.
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  Speaker 5: It's the reality is if you, if you have a
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  Speaker 5: property like that and you don't really know what you're
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  Speaker 5: doing or have confidence in your plan of what you're
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  Speaker 5: going to do, then I would go and walk it.
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  Speaker 5: And I just wouldn't care. I'd blow it up. I mean,
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: if you have to, but you, like you said, you're
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: going to get the answers. It's either like, oh, well,
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: I just bumped a big buck and I found a
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: pile of sign. Well, then you can come back in
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: there and revisit it in a couple of weeks. And
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: then if same thing occurs, if you go in there
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: and you don't find a thing, well, then you can
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: cross it off your list and then you don't have
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: to waste a bunch of time there in the future.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Not that you couldn't kill one there.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: If you're not confident, you definitely could, but When you
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: have confidence, you'll sit there longer. You'll pay attention better.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: You'll arrive 15 minutes earlier than you should. You'll not
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: break that stick in the leaves. It's a compounding effect.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: Your senses will be heightened. You're a hunter.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: You're a killer.
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: Your senses need to be heightened in order to kill
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: these things. So that's going to be much easier to
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: do if you've got confidence in your plans.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: And next up, we have Adam Keith.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Adam, throughout this series, you've probably picked up very measured, analytical,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: has things squared away. This answer may or may not
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: surprise you, but here is Adam's perspective on I'm behind
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: the eight ball. What do I do now? Adam, welcome
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: back to Back 40. We're diving into something. It's Labor Day.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: It's early September. And, you know, hopefully the temperatures are
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: cooling off a little bit. And the excitement for season,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: if you're an October 1 opener, it's here very soon,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: but I feel like there's this conundrum and there's different
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: schools of thought when it comes to white tail hunting,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: but this is more related to private land piece that
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you worked on all off season. You've worked on it
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: for multiple years, but I'm going to run this conundrum
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: of every time I scout, I feel like I'm actually
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: hurting my chances.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What do you say to that? I would probably
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: agree that you definitely are.
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: Unfortunately, um, Maybe I'm only wired this way, but probably
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: most of the guys listening or watching this are in agreement.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: But I'm like one of those that, oh, I kind
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: of found this decent-looking spot if I am scouting. Maybe
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: that next 200 yards is better. And so before you
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: know it, you've walked the whole place. And so that's
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: a real struggle. Generally, I would say do your scouting
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: in the offseason. That's the best foot forward, in my opinion,
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: is going get out there in the winter when there's
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: no snow on the ground. You can still see the trails,
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: the scrapes, the rubs. That's the preferred system. But you've
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: missed the boat. Life was busy then. So now you're scouting.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: It's after Labor Day or it's, you know, right here
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: in early to mid-September, even late September. How is your scouting?
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: This is where I would lean more on scouting food sources,
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: whether it be persimmon, you checking a few of those
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: big crop trees that historically rain some acorns just to
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: confirm that there are some deer usage or there's a
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: lot of acorns that have been produced by those trees.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: That's generally how my scouting is that time of the year.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: We're rolling in and kind of just putting our nose
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: just ever so slightly into some of these historical feeding
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: areas just to confirm that they are there. And then immediately,
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: there's no scouting that I'm doing in September or October
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: that I don't have trail cameras close to me. So
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: I can stick one of them out to just kind
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: of confirm what I found. So I may have found
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: a bunch of acorns on the ground. And so it's
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: time for me to figure out who's there. And yeah,
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: there's some rubs. Let's stick a trail camera up. And
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: if that trail camera tells me, yeah, it's a nice
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: group of younger bucks, but he ain't there, then I'm
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: not putting that pressure on it because I'd rather kind
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: of isolate and leave those deer alone. Or it's I'm
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: scouting for places to shoot does because I need to
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: be harvesting does. early as as soon as season opens
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: up so.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: If someone summer flew by they're like oh gosh it's
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: September now and yeah I feel like I need to
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: do something but I don't want to be fully you
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: know irresponsible or reckless yeah in this scenario it sounds
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: like kind of tiptoe around maybe find Scrape on the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: edge of some bedding. You don't have to go in
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: and find and turn every leaf over, but have a
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: backpack of trail cameras in this scenario and throw up
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a floater would be your strategy? I would be two scenarios,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and they're so drastically different that it may sound a
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: little bit oxymoron, but I would rather scout in a
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: soaking rain or right at the beginning of rain so
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of the scent's going to be washed away.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: A lot of, you know, there's a lot of new
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: scent that's going to happen with that rainstorm and once
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the rain leaves.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So I would like to scout like that.
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: Or also in the middle of September has been historically
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: the driest month of the year through much of the
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: Midwest and even the South.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Ask any fall food plotter. Exactly.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: It's exactly why I changed so much of my fall
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: food plot strategy because of that.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: But it's hot.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: It's dry. there's less scent in the air because everything
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: is so powdery dry. Then I'm going to tiptoe around
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: in that middle of the day, maybe even with some
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: wind and just, just what I'm avoiding are those early
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: in the morning, late in the evening, higher humidity times
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: where there's scent that's going to linger.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: There's a lot more scent being produced and held around.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: So that's what I'm avoiding. How, how much behind the
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: eight ball of someone? You can give them some guilt
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: right now. How much behind the eight ball are they
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: if they're like, yeah, I didn't do my homework, but
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I would still like to get an A on the test?
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: I would generally be more a glass half full kind
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: of guy unless I'm on a blood trail and then
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: that glass is totally empty.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: But I would say.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: That you're pretty stinking far behind the eight ball.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And I would rather... Let's just say this.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: I would rather you do 80% of your scouting in
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: the winter months, in early spring, and do 20% in September, October.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: But if your scouting is 70% or 50 plus in September,
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: you are.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: I am surprised you haven't hired me yet or somebody else.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Because the success can't be that high.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Well, I think.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Do you feel that... Maybe think of some clients of
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: yours in the past, too, where.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: There might be someone else on this panel on this
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: episode that says, I would tear through absolutely everything I
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: would do.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I would be reckless in your words. And then it's like,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: so what would you say to that person? Like, no,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I disagree.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I would go in and I would go in for
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: a day and cover every inch of the farm.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would not do that, obviously. The reckless approach
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: is what I do on public ground. For better or
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: for worse, that's totally how you do it because it's,
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: you know, it's a Hail Mary pass every time you
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: hunt and I've got no problem with it. Um, but
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: on public or on private ground, I, I, I've, I've
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: had this conversation with my business partner, Matt and my brother, uh,
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: multiple times. Like if I've owned a farm for 10
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: plus years, what am I even scouting for? Like if
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: I have to scout every year, what have I, what
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: have I been doing the last 10 years? Like I
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: should have a really good feel for what trees are
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: producing and where the deer bed, where they move, where
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: they feed. Like, why do I have to scout? And
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: so the reckless approach should be, it's a new farm,
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: you just gained access, and it's solid timber, and the
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: acorns haven't started falling yet.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: There's a pretty good chance the deer aren't in there.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: They haven't moved in there.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: So get in there, figure out where the terrain features are.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe you can see some past trails. Go get them.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: add this scenario here.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: So let's say you do have some experience with this
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: property and typically the deer, the bucks would show up
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: late September, early October, or maybe even when the crops
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: come out and it's like, man, really, you know, I
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: might have some velvet pictures throughout the summer, but it
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't really feel like they move into this property until
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: October 15th. Yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Do you give those folks the pass? Yeah. I would
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: totally let them do their, do their thing.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't want to, but, It's the alternative of where
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: we're at today. So you don't know anything. You've completely,
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: you don't know the property. You just gained access. It's
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: better to go in there and do that than not
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: at all.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Do you, has there been a story or a year
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: or a buck where you're like, man, if I would've
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: went in there and looked around, I probably would've figured
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: this out. Or is that not something that, and think
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: of your main farm where you hunt the most.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm trying to think. Not really.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Maybe there's one slipping through the cracks, but for the
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: most part, I mean, my family farm, I've hunted it
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: my whole life. My grandpa bought it in the 1950s,
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: so I grew up hunting it. I have a really
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: good feel for what the deer do. The only thing
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: that really changes is the food sources and whether my
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: food plots didn't get killed.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: In the drought. And then outside of that, not really.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: There's not places.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: I've hunted it so much over the years that I've
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: hunted every spot and paid attention to the wind, and
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: now it's like, oh, yeah, can't do it. Don't even try.
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: That wind just swirls like a top in there.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: Okay. All right.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Well, what's your last word of encouragement for someone that's
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: listening to this today, September 3rd, and they're like, oh, man.
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: Try to find those conditions that, you know, the rain's coming.
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: Probably not September. It doesn't rain, but look for those
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: really dry conditions. Go in the middle of the day.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: You're going to sweat like crazy, but at least you're
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: not sweating when it's... You're going to sweat regardless. I'd
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: rather you sweat in the middle of the day when
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: the deer aren't really moving. And then just go in
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: there with an idea of what you're actually looking for.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Don't just walk blindly.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: Kind of have an idea of going, okay, where is
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: the possible bedding areas? Look at the the satellite images,
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: see if there's changes in the canopy in specific terrain
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: features and go, okay, let's just put our nose in there.
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: If we bump a deer, okay, that's fine. Just don't
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: blow your scent into it. And then kind of go
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: with that approach. Have something in mind when you're going in.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I like it. Where, once again, where can people find you?
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: You can search on all the major social media platforms,
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: Landon Legacy, and as well as the podcast platforms.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So just like.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Missouri, where Adam lives, we have Jeff Sturgis to close
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: out this episode, who hunts primarily in Minnesota and Wisconsin
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: with earlier open dates than, let's say, Illinois, which is
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: October 1, or Iowa, or many of the other states.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: So this answer somewhat fluctuates based off of the opening date.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: But here's Jeff Sturgis' perspective.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Here we go.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: All right, Jeff, it's September.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: And there's been a lot of people, I'm sure, that
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: went to 18 baseball tournaments and 18 golf outings. And
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: they're looking at the calendar and it's September and time
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: is ticking and they feel like, gosh, I'm simply behind.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I don't have everything done that I wanted to. However,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: every time I go and scout or hang cameras or
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: want to go hang tree stands or do these, you know,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: somewhat important projects, but also impactful in terms of the farm.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: And the root of it is every time I go
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: and do something like that, I feel like I'm hurting
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: my chances instead of helping my chances. So what do
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: you say to someone that is in that boat?
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: You know, we've done a lot of activities early September
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: from hanging stands to installing water holes to finishing our
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: fall food plots, changing trail cameras. And I would encourage
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: someone to get those things done if you have a
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: weekend where you can just knock everything all out at once.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: Because I'm really looking for that whitetail shift and that
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: whitetail annual buck shift where they're taking a place. They're
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: shifting from their summer habitat to fall habitat. And that
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: typically takes place mid-September to mid-October. So I'm looking at,
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: you're going into early September, you still have two weeks,
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: three weeks of some really good activity to get in
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: and hunt and really get on and get, say you're
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: getting in there and getting work done and then setting
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: up a good hunt later because those mature bucks aren't
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: going to be there yet anyways. Now, if you're finding
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: that you have mature bucks already there, a lot of
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: times that's reflective of bucks that are going to leave
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: to go to someone else's fall property for the entire
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: fall winter. Because there's habitat that's changing, either it's open habitat,
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: it's going to be overpressured or lack of food or
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: all three. And so I find that in that case,
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: you have to identify that property. Is this typically a
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: really good October, November, December property? And it's going to
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: pay off getting as much work done as possible right
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: now because the buck shouldn't be there anyways. And I
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: really want to set up a great hunt for later.
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: already identified that property that's all open, mature hardwoods. They're
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: feeding on neighboring beans or alfalfa. That movement's not going
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: to be the same the end of September, early October.
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: It's going to be really waning. Then I might want to, hey,
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: I need to stay off. I need to just sit
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: off on the outside, maybe trail camera or watch some
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: fields in the evening, see where they're coming out and
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: then go in for the kill on opening day of
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: bow season or early in the season and really just
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: chip away at that time. And then look at it like,
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: you know, that's my shot early season with a property
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: like that. The next shot is hoping that random buck
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: comes through during the rut, you know, late October, November,
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: especially more early in November where they've already bred a
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: couple does and they really start reaching and driving and
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: looking across a larger landscape. and they might come by
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: on your property. So in that case, you really sit back,
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: wait for that early season to happen, get a couple
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: good hunts in, and then go full bore setting up
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: for the rut, then stay out of there until the rut.
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: And so two different type of properties. I like to
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: develop the property that they're coming to and they're holding
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: for the season because then I find that you get
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: to hunt the same bucks every year, build a history
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: with them, get to know them, and really at a
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: high percentage of time, really become successful on those target
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: bucks over a long period of time.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: So what about the, in terms of we're taking away prep.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: So in that scenario, we're under the assumption, they kind
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: of knew where they needed to hang a tree stand.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: They kind of knew where they needed to hang a
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: trail camera or put in a water hole, but for
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the scenario where they just got this piece. And so
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: now they feel like they need to go tear through
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: it and try to figure it out. Now is it,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: where does the risk reward fall in your, in your mind?
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: Again, I'd try to assess what type of property it is.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: And most of the time, like if I was getting
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: a new piece, I'd want one that was pretty diverse,
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: had good thick habitat. And I'm looking at this is
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: going to be a really good October, November, December hunt
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: or at least October, November. And in that case, you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: it's interesting the property we bought here in Minnesota when
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: we first bought it in 2020. We worked on food sources, access,
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: mock scrapes. changing that culture of hunting where we're developing
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: this interior area that we're not going into. We're saying, okay,
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: this is a bedding area. And out of all the
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: acreage that we purchased in 2020, we probably weren't in 80%
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: of it until after the season because we really wanted
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: to stay on those outside funnels, movements, protect the core
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: and not infringe on it because we knew we couldn't
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: hunt those areas without spooking deer. We hadn't fully developed it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: And so that paid off big time just that first
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: year by hunting carefully around the outside, hunting those pinch
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: points and funnels. And I think that's a better approach
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: where you're identifying funnels from the air. You're identifying habitat changes,
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: maybe on-off parcel movements from big movements across several parcels
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: where they cross on a fence or a road. And
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: you're hunting those exterior areas, keeping that core area intact,
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: just chipping away on the outside safely, but at good locations.
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: And I find that's a really good way to just
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: take a new parcel, take advantage of it by hunting smart,
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: hunting on the exterior, saving that core on the inside.
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: And then over long roll, you're looking at like this
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: is a marathon. I'm not expecting to shoot a buck
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: or a deer on opening day. I'm expecting to chip
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: away at this property, get to know it over the
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: season safely so I can play the long game. And
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: by November, December, you're really dialing it in. And you
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  Speaker 7: have a parcel that hasn't been pressured, which really every
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  Speaker 7: day that passes during the season gives you a leg
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  Speaker 7: up on most every other property.
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  Speaker 1: In the area.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's, I think that's great. All right. Where
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  Speaker 1: can people find you?
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  Speaker 7: Uh, white till habitat solutions, YouTube, Instagram, uh, Google website,
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  Speaker 7: all that kind of stuff. And, uh, Um, you know,
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  Speaker 7: really you can even use a search function on Google
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  Speaker 7: and YouTube and look up any kind of whitetail strategy,
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  Speaker 7: habitat or hunting related and, uh, and find the site
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  Speaker 7: or the channel and articles or videos.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: All right, there you guys have it.
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  Speaker 2: Hope you guys enjoyed this week's episode of Back 40.
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  Speaker 2: Our next episode, we're going to be covering scheduling vacation time,
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  Speaker 2: picking the week, and maybe you don't actually have to
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: pick vacation time, but when is the time to put
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: all the chips in the center of the table and
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: really give it your all, give it your best opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: your best chance based off of decades and decades of
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  Speaker 2: experience and observations. So next time we'll be talking about
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  Speaker 2: picking the best week.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see you. Hope you have a great rest of
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  Speaker 1: your week. We'll see you. Bye.