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- 0:06Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Brett Keane from GOD TV
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- 0:37And when you get an opportunity, if you enjoy reading, you may
- 0:40enjoy my books. Today, a YouTube user by the
- 0:45name of Tucker decided to make a video asking the question, or
- 0:50maybe a rhetorical question. Is Jeffrey Dahlmer in hell or
- 0:55heaven? As many of you know, Jeffrey
- 0:58Dahlmer was a cannibalistic atheist who went around
- 1:02murdering people, mostly homosexuals, cut them up,
- 1:07dismembered them, and then ate their parts.
- 1:10While he was in prison, he went and changed himself over to
- 1:16Christianity according to his own words and interviews.
- 1:21According to Tucker, Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't a real Christian
- 1:25or didn't do the rituals properly because of the process
- 1:30or way that he went about getting baptized.
- 1:34This is according to Tucker and his premises is that Jeffrey
- 1:39Dahmer didn't actually believe in Jesus Christ properly or was
- 1:43making it up. Now that is an interesting
- 1:47point. I agree with Tucker that that is
- 1:49a good point because there is such a terminology as jailhouse
- 1:54Jesus. I don't know if many of you've
- 1:57heard this, but there's a lot of atheists out there that ask the
- 2:00question if God is real and Christians have a moral compass,
- 2:05an objective moral compass, then why are there so many Christians
- 2:08in jail? According to stats ladies and
- 2:11gentlemen, a lot of the people who end up going into prison are
- 2:16atheist and agnostic non believers.
- 2:20But once they get in there, there are preachers and priests
- 2:23who visit them. They also have Christian
- 2:26community conversations and group therapy where the same
- 2:30atheists who committed crimes will sit daily with preachers
- 2:35and priests and talk about Jesus Christ and God and eventually
- 2:39they will convert over to Christianity.
- 2:42Either they'll do it because they believe it'll improve their
- 2:46life. Help them, or it'll appeal to
- 2:50the parole board where it'll make the parole board want to
- 2:53allow them to be released one day.
- 2:55Or they'll get extra snacks. Some of them manipulate the
- 2:59system or pretend to be something they're not in order
- 3:02to basically get more privileges while in prison.
- 3:07You'd be surprised what someone would do whenever they're
- 3:10trapped between 4 walls in a small tiny room with bars as
- 3:14their door. However, a lot of them do end up
- 3:19sincerely and authentically converting over to Christianity,
- 3:24accepting Jesus Christ, accepting that he died on the
- 3:27cross for their sins, and resurrected 3 days later.
- 3:31So that's the reason why people go in as an atheist, but they
- 3:35either come out Christian or they die in prison.
- 3:38As far as Jeffrey Dahmer goes, there's an interesting story
- 3:42even behind his death. He was killed by a man who was
- 3:46related to one of the victims. The man that killed him in
- 3:50prison with a mop stick, along with another cellmate had a
- 3:54nickname, The Chosen. Yeah, like in The Chosen One.
- 4:00Well, we're going to check out an interview done by Jeffrey
- 4:02Dahmer, and then I'll talk to you all about my thoughts on did
- 4:07he go to heaven or hell? It's pretty clear that Tucker
- 4:10thinks that he's burning in hell as we speak.
- 4:14Well, let's get into that. Let me mute my mic and play
- 4:17this. Your dad has wondered about all
- 4:25kinds of things, from the medication that your mom was on
- 4:27during her pregnancy, to the fact that you were exposed to
- 4:31violent arguments in the home from an early age and
- 4:34continuing, to the possibility that he might have passed on
- 4:38some genetic propensity for obsession or violent behavior.
- 4:43Does any of that ring true to you?
- 4:48I can see why he'd wonder about those things, but as far as I'm
- 4:51concerned, they're all excuses because I didn't feel
- 4:55accountable to anybody. I didn't feel that I had to, to
- 4:58face what I had done ever. And so you, you have, there
- 5:03comes a point where a person has to, has to be accountable for
- 5:07what he's done. Can't go, can't go around making
- 5:09excuses, blaming other people or other things.
- 5:14So I, I alone, am the one who's responsible for what's happened.
- 5:18Let me ask, when did you first feel that that everyone is
- 5:23accountable? For their actions.
- 5:27Well, thanks to you for for sending that creation science
- 5:34material, because I always, I always believe the, the lie that
- 5:42evolution is truth. The theory of evolution is truth
- 5:45that we all just came from the slime.
- 5:48And when we, when we died, you know, that was it.
- 5:51There was nothing. So the whole theory cheapens
- 5:55life and started reading books about how that show how
- 6:00evolution is, is just a complete lie.
- 6:03There's there's no, there's no basis in science to to uphold
- 6:07it. And I've come to since come to
- 6:09believe that that the Lord Jesus Christ is the true creator of
- 6:15the heavens and the earth. It just didn't just happen.
- 6:19And I have accepted Him as my Lord and Savior, and I believe
- 6:23that I, as long as well as everyone else, will be
- 6:27accountable to Him. Growing up, did you feel that
- 6:29you were accountable to your dad or to your mom as the authority
- 6:34figure in the house? Yes, I did.
- 6:37I mean, they, they didn't let me run while they were, they
- 6:40discipline me and so I felt accountable to them.
- 6:45But afterwards, after I left the home, that's, that's when I
- 6:53started wanting to sort of create my own little world where
- 6:57I could be the one who had the complete control or I didn't
- 7:01have to bout anyone else's demands.
- 7:04And I just took it way too far. At that period of time, I had
- 7:13drifted away from a belief in a Supreme Being and I never as a
- 7:20result passed along the feeling that we are all accountable in
- 7:27the end, He owns us, and that basic concept is very
- 7:33fundamental to all of. Us you feel that the absence, at
- 7:36least for a while, of a strong religious faith and belief.
- 7:39For some years. May have prevented you from
- 7:43instilling some of that in Jeff. That's right.
- 7:46Is that how you feel? Yes, I think I had a big, big
- 7:50part to deal to do with it. I mean, if you don't, if a
- 7:55person doesn't think that there there is a God to be accountable
- 7:59to, then then what's what's the point of of trying to modify
- 8:04your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?
- 8:08That's how I thought anyway. And I've since come to believe
- 8:13that the Lord Jesus Christ is truly God the Father, the Son,
- 8:18and the Holy Spirit. They're the only true God.
- 8:31Well, there you go, ladies and gentlemen.
- 8:34I don't think anyone would argue with me if I were to say that
- 8:39mental illness played a big part in the Jeffrey Dahlmer's fall
- 8:44and why he became the type of person he is.
- 8:48I would argue that if you're an atheist or an unbeliever and you
- 8:54go down the rabbit hole where you state that there's no
- 8:57objective values or morality, that your morality comes from
- 9:02some kind of transformation through evolution, but somehow
- 9:06an unconscious nature created your understanding of right and
- 9:13wrong, then you're in serious trouble.
- 9:16Nature doesn't care about you or your soul.
- 9:20It doesn't care about your consciousness.
- 9:23It doesn't care about how much pain you suffer.
- 9:25It doesn't care about how much it kills.
- 9:28Nature does not have a consciousness, so therefore it
- 9:32has no belief and it holds itself not accountable to
- 9:36anything. I think that if you have the
- 9:40world view that morality is nothing more than a man made
- 9:44construction or an illusion, you will eventually lose sight of
- 9:49what is right and wrong, what is good, what is evil, and you'll
- 9:55have no limitations. There will be no parameters
- 9:58whatsoever to keep you from doing atrocities, which is what
- 10:02Jeffrey Dahmer is trying to explain, and believe it or not,
- 10:06he was very articulate. I think that anybody that
- 10:09listens to the interview will get the point.
- 10:13Did he actually believe in Jesus Christ?
- 10:16Did he believed Jesus Christ was God?
- 10:18Did he believed that Jesus did the things that he said he did
- 10:21in the Bible? Did he believed that he was now
- 10:24accountable to a higher power? I think Jeffrey Dahlmer did.
- 10:28I think that he was convinced and I think that due to him
- 10:33making these changes while incarcerated, he was absolutely
- 10:38convinced that Jesus Christ was the way.
- 10:42And as far as going to heaven and hell, I would never make the
- 10:45assumption either way. I'm not trying to hate on you
- 10:49Tucker or try to cause any kind of drama or commotion, but God
- 10:54is the one who makes the determination if someone made
- 10:59the right decisions in life and accepted him properly, not us.
- 11:04So to state that we know for a fact what God did with him, I
- 11:10wouldn't presume or be arrogant enough to make the decision on
- 11:14that. It could be very possible that
- 11:17Jeffrey Dahmer was a narcissistic liar, manipulator
- 11:24and said all these things in order to be able to get out of
- 11:27his cell just so he would have people to talk to and not be
- 11:31bored that day. That's very possible as well as
- 11:35far as baptisms and religious rituals and all this.
- 11:40Many of you probably don't know this, but I was baptized 8 * 8
- 11:44times. And the reason why is my mother
- 11:48whenever I was younger was mentally ill and she was sick
- 11:52and due to the fact that she couldn't take care of her kids,
- 11:56I ended up in the system. I ended up in foster care and
- 12:00while I was in foster care dealing with abusive people and
- 12:04going in and out of places, I was introduced to much theology
- 12:09as well as many churches. Every foster care I lived in,
- 12:12for however long I stayed, believed in God and believed in
- 12:17some form of denomination. I learned about many many
- 12:21denominations while growing up in the system and each one of
- 12:26them all thought that the other one was wrong about how they did
- 12:30things. So they would re save me and re
- 12:32baptize me, re save me and re baptize me and to say magical
- 12:37new words every single time I went.
- 12:40Of course, after seeing all that religion, religious people
- 12:45fighting over if they were actually capable of saving a
- 12:49child and all that was one of the big reasons why later on in
- 12:53my life I became an atheist. I didn't take religious people
- 12:57seriously anymore. I didn't take Christian
- 13:00seriously because they would tell you that you had to jump
- 13:03through all kinds of hoops and stupid crap.
- 13:05And I've always had this thought process that if there is a God
- 13:10and he's all powerful, all knowing, and He truly loves us,
- 13:14then there's going to be some form of lenience and patience
- 13:17there. He's going to endure.
- 13:19And God being as wise and intelligent as he is, way
- 13:23smarter than I could ever muster even in 100,000 lifetimes.
- 13:29God knows our hearts, and He is going to be the one that
- 13:33determines if we truly wanted to be with Him and have a
- 13:36relationship or not. But I couldn't take religious
- 13:41people seriously back in the day because I would watch them
- 13:44squabble over the stupidest shit I watched them argue over.
- 13:49Is baptism right? What kind of words you have to
- 13:53say? There's a certain way you have
- 13:54to pray. There's a certain translation of
- 13:57the Bible that you have to endear or Revere.
- 14:02There's a certain type of denomination.
- 14:04Everything had some kind of bullshit steps in the process.
- 14:09And here I'm thinking to myself, but if there is a God, then he's
- 14:13omnipresent, omniscient, all knowing and everywhere he's
- 14:17going to hear my prayers whether I'm in a a damn coat closet or
- 14:22whether I'm out in the middle of a field or I'm in the middle of
- 14:25a Moss pit at a Slayer concert. It doesn't matter where I'm at,
- 14:29what book I have, God is always listening.
- 14:35That's the kind of thought process I had whenever I was a
- 14:38non believer. I always had Plan B.
- 14:41There was always, but if there is a God, if there is a God,
- 14:47then this is how I assume that he would, He would be.
- 14:54And some people might say, well, Brett, that's anthropomorphizing
- 14:57God. That's saying God would be like
- 14:59you. No, God being that way is
- 15:03nothing like the way I would do. I have often cracked jokes and
- 15:08stuff and all seriousness as well stated that if I were God
- 15:13and I had that kind of power, I would have taken out the human
- 15:16race all together and I wouldn't have even left a few or a
- 15:20handful of people. I have come to the point where
- 15:24this world makes me sick. If it wasn't for my beautiful
- 15:28kids and my wife and some of the good friends I have out there, I
- 15:32see absolutely no necessary use for this world anymore.
- 15:37I see Earth as a graveyard, floating in the darkness and
- 15:41abyss of the coldness of space. I see humanity as a species that
- 15:47repeats war and death and destruction over and over and
- 15:51over again. A lot of my views prior,
- 15:57whenever I was a nihilist, I did believe that there was a lack of
- 16:02value in many, many different things.
- 16:05And even as a Christian now I see that there's a lot of things
- 16:09that lack value and are not necessary, like this continuous
- 16:14desire to do evil on others. Why humans do it to each other,
- 16:19I don't know. I don't understand why it's 2025
- 16:22and people still do this shit to each other after all this.
- 16:26Why we still have war? Why we still have anything?
- 16:34The only way I'm able to get around this, ladies and
- 16:36gentlemen, is to realize that God doesn't just love us as the
- 16:42fact that we're a creation or because we're humans.
- 16:46God loves us because he actually perceives us as his children.
- 16:51And like the father of Jeffrey Dahmer that's sitting there,
- 16:54even though he knows his son has done some horrible shit, there's
- 16:58some despicable, terrible things that'll leave you up at night
- 17:02because you can't go to sleep due to nightmares.
- 17:06He loves his son. You can tell when he looks at
- 17:08his son. He's proud of his son for
- 17:10accepting Christ. He's proud that his son, even
- 17:14though it's almost too late for his boy.
- 17:17He's proud of him because he sees that his son is trying.
- 17:21His son's trying to dig himself out of the grave.
- 17:25He sees that even with all the mistakes, all the problems,
- 17:33there's still some good there. Or it could all be a lie.
- 17:39Who knows, Who knows? He'd be surprised what people
- 17:46will say and do in order just to be able to get 5 minutes out of
- 17:51their cage. I've seen people on YouTube do
- 17:55things that'll make a Billy goat puke just so they could get 5
- 17:59minutes of attention. There's people out there that
- 18:03are so lonely. They're so, there's so much
- 18:07suffering in them mentally and emotionally, but they don't know
- 18:12what to say. They don't know what to do.
- 18:14They don't know how to articulate their feelings.
- 18:16And a lot of people think they're going to be mocked.
- 18:19So they act a fool, they act crazy.
- 18:24Anything that it takes just to have someone look at them and
- 18:28validate their existence. It's sad.
- 18:35So did Jeffrey Drummer go to heaven or hell?
- 18:38I don't know. From what I knowing the Bible,
- 18:43Jeffrey Dahmer is most definitely dead.
- 18:47I think the entire human race, according to the Bible, is going
- 18:50to die and remain in the grave until Jesus returns.
- 18:54That means that Jeffrey Dahmer is not conscious right now.
- 18:58There's no ghost haunting the world of Jeffrey Dahmer.
- 19:02Everyone in the Old Testament as well as New Testament, everyone
- 19:08all the way from that point ARN that exists today are all dead.
- 19:13They are dead now. When Jesus returns and judgment
- 19:19is upon us, that's when it will be decided.
- 19:23Will there be the second death? And to me, second death is the
- 19:27destruction of the soul. Jesus said to the people
- 19:31listening to him, Don't fear he who can just destroy the body,
- 19:36but fear he who can also destroy body and soul.
- 19:42Jesus made it clear that as God, he was capable of annihilating
- 19:47you. So that's another question
- 19:52altogether. Tucker, I suppose we could talk
- 19:54about, I'm aware that there are some verses that give the
- 19:57Dante's Inferno impression of the Bible, but I would say 95%
- 20:03of it. Teach annihilationism, which is
- 20:07where I'm at now. So even if Jeffrey Dahmer does
- 20:11not go to heaven or it participates in the New world, I
- 20:15suspect that his soul will be absolutely disintegrated.
- 20:21Eternal destruction as opposed to eternal torture.
- 20:26Yes, that's my thought process. We got to be careful, Tucker.
- 20:32We got to be careful whenever we're saying some of the things
- 20:37we do out there. I'm not going to, you know, tell
- 20:41people how to run their religion or their walk with God or
- 20:45anything like that. But we need to at least keep in
- 20:48mind, ladies and gentlemen, that in the end, none of us know
- 20:52what's going in the heart of other people.
- 20:56We don't know what God sees. So there's that.
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- 21:11That's all I got to say today. God bless.