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Lessons on Leadership and Resilience: The Journey Begins with Kara and Jaclyn · Healthy Happy Wise Wealthy

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  Hi, everyone. I am Mary Meyer, and I am the host of Healthy,
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  Happy, Wise, and Wealthy. And this is our premier, very
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  first podcast. I'm so excited to have these ladies in
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  the room with me. So I actually have with me another three
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  podcasters. And Kara Stoltenberg has
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  written a book, and so has Jaclyn Strominger. And Erika
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  Christie is the brains behind this operation, and
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  I don't know what I'd really do without her there. I wouldn't attempt to do
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  a podcast. So the whole basis of this podcast is about
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  talking through things that, you know, in life, we all want to be
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  healthy, we want to be happy, we want to be wise, we want to be
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  wealthy. But a lot of things happen in life where it. It can get
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  derailed. So I am way more interested in talking to
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  people that have lived through some stuff and know some things
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  and, and what we can learn from that. So we're gonna, we're gonna do that
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  tonight. And so Erika
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  Christie, she is magic in my
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  mind. So being an actor and someone who's done hosting,
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  the. The thing that you have to have is someone who knows
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  all the stuff behind the camera and, and all the
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  stuff that I don't even know the words for. So it's like
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  I'm not nearly as wise as she is. So Erika, I adore her.
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  Erika is in Atlanta, though, and I've worked with her on
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  ATL Live and some other things, so that's super fun. Okay.
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  And the other ones. So Jaclyn Strominger, she's next on our list right here. So
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  I have now moved to Reno. These are my ladies from three different cities. Erika's
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  in Atlanta, Jaclyn and Reno, and Kara in Franklin,
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  Tennessee. In Tennessee, near Nashville. So Jaclyn Strominger I
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  met after moving here to Reno last year. She is a high performance business
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  coach with the Missing Link network. And she has
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  just in the last week gotten her first book, which
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  I'm super excited that she co wrote, and I'm so excited about
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  that for her. Kara Stoltenberg is a
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  dear, dear friend who I have done so much work
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  with myself over the years for doing
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  healing work from Lyme's disease and other things. And she has
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  probably with the. One of the biggest wealth of knowledge that I think
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  I on this planet in terms of just the
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  things that, that she knows and
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  how she helps people and the wisdom that she has. So
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  both Jaclyn and Kara have some really cool podcasts,
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  and Erika, of course, too, has one that's just gonna. That is very helpful
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  to. For teaching people all the stuff to know behind the camera and making things
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  happen. So I would love for you guys to
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  just say a couple things. Erika didn't necessarily want to be on this whole
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  thing, but if she wants to say a couple things. And then Jaclyn and
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  Kara, I would love for you guys to just kind of introduce yourself and kind
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  of just tell us a little bit about your podcast, and
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  we'll start with the podcast and then we'll go with the other stuff. Yeah, I'll
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  just say hi to everybody real quick. Mary is amazing. I'm
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  really, really excited that the two. Of you are going to be on. This show,
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  and I'm really interested to hear the Golden
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  Nuggets. I'm going to say that Mary's going. To get out of you on the
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  show, so best of luck and really looking forward to hearing this great
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  conversation. There's so much I want to ask
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  you guys. So, like, let's just start with Jaclyn. Tell us
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  about. Because I'm just starting this podcast, right? So
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  I'm new, and I want people who are listening to go.
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  If I'm starting a podcast, why would I start
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  it? What would be the benefit of it, and why would I do
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  it? Okay, so. All right, so I'm so excited. Mary
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  and Kara, it's so great to meet you. So
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  podcasting first, my podcast, Unstoppable
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  Leadership Spotlight podcast, I started
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  it. My first episode was in September of
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  2024, and I jumped into
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  podcasting for a couple of different reasons. Reasons one
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  was I'm. I love networking and I love meeting people. So that was sort of,
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  number one, it was a great way to meet people. Number two, it is
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  a great way to create authority in your business and
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  to get your name out there and to use
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  your podcast as a way to also
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  meet people that could either introduce you to people
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  or potentially create leads for your
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  business. Right. It's a great. It's a great avenue.
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  And the other kind of key
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  reason for me also was I have a huge passion for
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  helping people. And I, you know, it's called my podcast again, it's
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  Unstoppable Leadership Spotlight. It's to help create great
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  leaders in the world. Because I am a firm believer if we have
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  great leaders out there, that maybe we would have more people
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  that would want to, instead of running away from
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  companies, want to run towards companies and to have happier
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  people out there because you, you know, so many people leave their job or leave
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  their, you know, their end of the day, and they're like, oh, my God, I
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  hate where I'm working. And nine times out of 10, I hate to say it,
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  it's leadership. So if we could make happier and better leaders,
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  maybe we'd have happier and happier people. Right? So.
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  Right. And you know, I'll just,
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  I'll share that. My journey going into podcasting, I started
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  being a guest and there's a couple of different sites that I, you know, I
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  could recommend. You can let me know if you want me to do that, that
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  you could go to to get your name on there to be a guest. And
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  it was through guesting that I got comfortable. And then I was like, I think
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  I want to have my own. And
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  so I personally started using something called Matchmaker
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  fm and then I started using something called Pod
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  Match. And I love
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  between the two of those and there's other ones out there and there's lots of
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  places that you can go on Facebook and LinkedIn and
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  social whatever to get matched. But what
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  I found that I liked about PodMatch was that it actually acts like a dating
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  site in a way where it actually connects you with different people. And
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  as a host, you actually get paid. Right. That's
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  awesome. And they are not sponsoring us, me
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  yet or anyone. And. But soon, soon. No, I'm just
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  kidding. Kara, tell us, tell us about you. Yeah,
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  thanks for having me. I am so excited for you in this new
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  endeavor as yours is a voice that will be
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  beautiful and wonderful in the world and I'm excited
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  to be part of your launch into this podcasting
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  journey. I launched my podcast
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  in on January 11 last year,
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  2024. So we have been going strong for a year and
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  at the end of the year, the celebration of like, we
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  are still going strong and season three is coming and it's
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  happening now. Such a great feeling
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  for me. Um, I had a major life
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  change. So I've been coaching for nearly two decades
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  and it's been seven years ago. I was in a
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  hit and run accident that, you know, I was on my bike and I was
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  in a hit and run accident and it completely
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  changed my life and I did not work at all for two
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  years. And then after that started coaching
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  slowly and realized, oh, I'm not going to be able to
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  just one on one coach people and full time work the way
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  I was. So I began to ask with my arms
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  open, show me what I can do
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  that allows me to bring my gifts and offerings into the
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  world in a different way and works for my
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  brain because I have a brain injury, as you know, Mary,
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  and allows me to make a living while making an
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  Impact, maybe making an impact is my most important thing. I know that's the
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  thing that drives me more than anything. But we all also have to make
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  a living. So that was the beginning, I guess.
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  As I continued to ask that question. Podcasting was something that
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  I always wanted to do, even before my accident. It was
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  something on my desired list. It's something that I.
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  I really enjoy speaking to people.
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  My podcast is called Stepping in with Kara. And
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  stepping in was the name that I chose, because what I
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  do, what is my superpower, is stepping in with
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  people, holding space for people for their
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  story and drawing them deeper into that story.
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  And this is what I do in my coaching and help people, you know, find
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  liberation from, you know, things that have happened, circumstances in
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  their lives, to become, you know, truly
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  okay, right where they are and find a way to
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  navigate to the best and brightest as they continue moving
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  forward. So what I. What I found in my journey,
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  especially after my accident, was, you know, kind of being an
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  author, a coach,
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  and just being in the world where the frame
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  is always the hero's journey, and being on
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  this, you know, trajectory of healing, where
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  my own. I just kept feeling like I
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  don't feel like the hero of my story, and I didn't
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  like that feeling. And I kept trying to be the hero, like, and then you
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  got to this place and then you did this. And, you know, I've just been
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  in a really long story that's still going, and
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  it's. It's still frustrating, and I. I feel like that's life.
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  And so I wanted to have a podcast that
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  rather than, like, and now I've got it all wrapped up, and here's the bow.
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  And looking back, here's how that was. I really like to step into
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  stories, even if they are something that's happened in the past, and go deep
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  into the vulnerable spaces that all of us as humans
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  can relate to and be encouraged by and inspired by
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  one another, because there's so much common ground
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  in, you know, the triumphs, but also the struggles
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  of life. And I. I love, you
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  know, meeting people, as Jaclyn was talking
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  about, like, it's been an amazing opportunity
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  to be able to connect with
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  others in their journey. And I. I
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  have absolutely loved the response from other people, like,
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  oh, my gosh, I so related to that person, even though I've never been in
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  those circumstances, like, just those. Those little nuggets that are
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  just humanity, and we can share those.
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  So. Yes. And
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  one of the things that I. I love about having you both on here
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  is that you know, I know you both very well, which is why I asked
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  you to be on here with me, because I so appreciate it. I'm like, I
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  just have to get started and. And do that. So. And sometimes
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  that's what you do, right? When you're starting something new,
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  the different personalities show through. So, And. And
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  with you both also, I described you guys today as
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  almost like two wings on a bird. So where, you know,
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  Kara is, you're very incredibly gifted
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  at taking people into their story and. And helping
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  them heal in the places they need to. And Jaclyn is so very good
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  at. At making sure, like, you want to build something
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  that you get your ass in gear, you know,
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  you send. You start building. So it kind of depends.
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  And it's like, you know, being able to find, like, and
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  we, I think, you know, and anyone listening to, it's like we have. We have
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  our voice. You know, we have our voice in the world, and our voice sounds
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  different than other people's voices. Right? And I, for me,
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  I know I will look at someone who's a leader and go, they're
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  amazing. And how do I make myself be like
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  them when in reality, you know, our voices
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  are. Are what they're supposed to be for a reason, because we have a specific
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  thing that we're doing, and it's very good, and it's very helpful.
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  So, you know, and
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  that's what I love about both of you so, so much.
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  You're both so good at what you do. So.
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  And on that note, um, let's ask. I wanted to ask, like, a little
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  bit, like, you guys both do coaching. So, like, when you. So this is a
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  question for both of you. And again, it's going to be, like, completely
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  two very different things. But when you guys take on a client to
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  coach them and you're working with someone,
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  what kind of. What's kind of your methodology? What are you thinking
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  about? What things are you looking at in them that. To
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  help them move forward? Okay. Well, first of all,
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  I just have to say this is so great. And I, again, like, I'm so
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  honored to be on here with you, but something that you, you know, saying,
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  getting started, it was actually one of the things that I just shared.
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  We all. We can't necessarily wait for perfection and to have everything,
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  all. Everything lined up. We. Sometimes you just have to go,
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  right? So I'm so excited for you to go.
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  So looking at my clients, I mean, I look at clients very
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  differently, but one of the biggest things that I walk my clients
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  through, and every one of them is that I do look at
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  them where they are in all different aspects of their lives.
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  You know, I'm a big believer in using, whether
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  you call it the circle of life or the wheel of life. I love looking
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  at that and looking at the eight different. Eight different components that. What,
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  you know, what make up parts of
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  our lives. Right. And then breaking that down and looking really at a
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  lot of core key values and what. What drives people. And then I'm
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  looking at what they're looking at, what their goals are and where they want to
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  go, and really kind of honing in on their mission and their vision, and we're
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  taking it and applying those into
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  action plans, because everybody does have a set goal, and if
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  we want to move forward. What are those. What are those personal?
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  You know, what's the personal mission and goal and what is the
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  business goal and mission? And we're creating
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  intentions, you know, on both personal and business. And we're
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  focusing in. We pick two. Can't pick too
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  many. But really honing in on what those are
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  and. And then looking at what people are going through and really want to
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  find out either what's stopping them, blocking them, what's getting in their
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  way, what are some of those fears?
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  Because all of those things come out and then helping
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  them with processes, particularly in business, to, as I love to say,
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  what are those two steps that they need to take each day to move
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  forward? Right.
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  Yeah, for sure. And I've. And I've done coaching with both of you, so, like,
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  you both are my friends, but, you know, I've most recently, like,
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  my thing just moved. That was fun.
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  This is my first time doing a podcast. Not my first time in front of
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  a camera, but, you know, doing a podcast.
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  But when, you know, most recently with Jaclyn. So we were talking through business
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  stuff and what's going on with that, and, like, the. The feedback I got was
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  like, okay, this is really helpful. This is definitely the next step I need to
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  do for sure. And I do think there's those. We just have stages in
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  our life where we need both things. I know when I met Kara. Well, I
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  didn't meet. Just meet you. I had known you before this, but when I started
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  working with you, like, I was not healthy at all, and I was not
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  physically healthy. I don't even think I realized how not physically healthy I was. And
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  you were doing more health coaching. We'll call it coaching.
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  I mean, you're doing your health magic back then. I don't even know
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  all the words. And then it became more Of a
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  emotional and then spiritual, spiritual and. And
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  you know, the, all the, all the different aspects of that too. So I'm
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  a cara that kind of question. So when you take on now
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  what you're doing right now. So when you work with someone, what do you, what
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  do you look for? Yeah, and I, I have
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  move shifted more into like spiritual life coaching and
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  mentorship as opposed to health coaching. But I mean,
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  tried taking someone out of the health realm after spending, you know, a
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  decade in it. I'm always listening for that. But
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  I think for me, I also
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  wanted to tag on. One of my favorite mantras is action brings clarity.
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  So you just diving in and like taking the action, like it'll all become
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  clear for me.
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  I'm listening. Like my brain hears
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  connections between I,
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  family programming,
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  energy blocks. I do a lot of work with energy, hygiene
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  and just energy in the body. And
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  I used to work with that in terms of the physical body. I still
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  will bring people into their physical body, their somatic, you know,
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  experience and consider, you know,
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  how emotions are showing up in the body. Where emotions are showing up
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  in the body. I do a lot of
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  inner child work with people. I can hear when
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  someone's talking to me and, and they're expressing and they share
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  something, like make a profound statement or like
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  a belief comes out. I can hear when it's an inner
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  child part that's coming out. And I'm just, I'm just,
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  I can just hear that and then draw that out. So a lot of people
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  who have never done inner child work, I'm really tuned
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  into dark, different parts, those little young
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  parts, teenage parts I'm really big
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  on. The things that we go through in life do not define
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  us. They are things that have happened to us. So
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  when we can separate out things we've been through that
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  have really affected us and maybe they've even become part of who we are, how
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  we operate in the world. But when we can find our agency
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  within the story and even rewrite some of
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  those things. So I think I take people into those places.
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  I do a lot of work with, you know, just nervous system
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  regulation really tuning in. Like, where am I right now?
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  Am I in freeze? Am I in fight? Am I in flight? Am I fawning
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  and people pleasing? Am I able to access
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  the ventral vagal? I'm enjoying life and I'm feeling good
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  and, you know, just helping people kind of like tag in at
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  any given time during the day and recognize where am I? And then have tools.
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  I'm big on tools. So so building the toolbox, from
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  nervous system regulators to
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  energy tools to emotional regulation,
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  like, learning to really befriend all the
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  emotions and have conversations with
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  emotions, understand, like, why is that anger there? What
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  is that fear? Is it really danger? What, you know, is a
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  distortion of fear? Is it anxiety? Like, what's going
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  on and how can you use that in your life?
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  So, you know, I'm. I'm very big on giving
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  tools and reminders to use those
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  tools. So I may give someone a tool, but, you know, I always tell people,
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  like, if I check in about it, it's not because you need to be like,
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  oh, gosh, I haven't done that. It's more like, we all need to be reminded.
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  We learn in layers. And over time, when you have support,
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  you remember, like, oh, yeah, that tool. And it's actually helpful if
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  I use it. And different tools work better for some people
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  or for other people. So, you know, getting to work with
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  a coach or be a part of a group doing, like, group coaching or
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  something is so helpful because over time, you're
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  reminded. It's sort of like when you're super sick, you forget, like, wait, what things
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  do I do to support my immune system? And you need your friend to tell
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  you, like, you know, take your probiotic and up your vitamin D and take some
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  vitamin C or, you know, all those kind of things. So,
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  yeah, those are. Are some of the things that. And I'm
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  also big on. Rubber meets the road. Like, we get clear on
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  where we are so that we can actually
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  travel in the direction that we really want to go in.
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  Because if we aren't clear and really present to where we are
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  in these bodies, we can't actually take steps
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  toward a desire that we have. So as I help people
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  get really honest and clear about where they are, their
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  desires always come out, whether they're relational desires, work
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  desires, family desires, inner desires, whatever.
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  And we can take little steps toward those
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  desires that are aligned, our actions aligning with what
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  we really want. You know, I help people see if they're
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  taking actions in this direction, but what they really want is over here.
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  They're never gonna get there. But a lot of times it's
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  those. It's those programming, you know, old
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  programs that are keeping us from taking action aligned to what we
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  really want. So that's why I do the. The focus
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  on kind of that deeper work. And that's. That's just. That's where I go
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  naturally to the deeper. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Well, and again, like, I just feel like you guys are both
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  so good at what you do, and you're both helping people, and it's just a
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  little different focus. And I, I personally find that fascinating, you know, because.
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  And it's. You're both operating in your strengths in that, for sure. So. And, and
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  Kara has a group program that I hope she does again soon, because I joined
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  her in that last year. So these are two friends that I
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  picked pay money to. To, like, give me advice. Seriously.
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  Worth it. And worth it. So for sure.
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  So how do you guys. How do you take what you have
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  learned from coaching people and putting that into
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  a podcast? Like, when people listen to your podcast, what is some
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  of the wisdom that you've. You've gotten from learning with, working with
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  clients that will come out in that. Jaclyn? So
• 22:32
  it's interesting. You know, a lot
• 22:35
  of the parts of my podcast are actually
• 22:39
  for the. My guests to actually share their insight and
• 22:43
  wisdom. And what, what comes out actually
• 22:46
  is
• 22:50
  almost cementing key
• 22:55
  insights that we get to repeat because
• 22:58
  somebody else is sharing something
• 23:02
  that they have done or some. Or part of their story that
• 23:06
  you're like, oh, right. So that's like a huge part of what I do
• 23:10
  in X, Y or Z. And it's. It's a.
• 23:14
  It's really saying,
• 23:17
  oh, yeah, great. That's a great thing. It's a great lesson and something
• 23:21
  that we can actually repeat and keep teaching. So, like yesterday, for
• 23:25
  example, I had this guy on my podcast. He is
• 23:28
  amazing. He is, first of all, he's 89 years old and you would never know
• 23:32
  it. He has written these amazing books.
• 23:37
  Really amazing. Really just great person. And he has
• 23:41
  done awesome. He's an. He was an amazing CEO and
• 23:44
  leader in his. In his field. And as we were talking, we
• 23:48
  were talking about his experience and his journey and his parts of
• 23:52
  his life. Key wisdoms were coming out. And,
• 23:56
  you know, it was in. One of the key topics was like, remember to
• 24:00
  listen, right? Like, Carrie, you were just listening, right? And
• 24:03
  that's one of the big things that a leader has to do, is to listen,
• 24:07
  keep. And I was kidding around. I'm like, we need to keep our ears
• 24:11
  open. If I could, you know, I kept thinking of a funny comic
• 24:14
  that I could because I can wiggle my ears. I'm not going to do it
• 24:16
  right now, but, like, wiggle my ears. And so people, like, watch
• 24:20
  them. They're. They're moving for a reason. We want you to listen and use
• 24:24
  your ears. And. And it kind of came out as one
• 24:28
  of his principles. And so I love the. I
• 24:32
  Guess it's the part of my podcast is that the,
• 24:35
  the gaining and the insights that a lot of the people have
• 24:39
  just affirmed some of the things that, that
• 24:43
  I guess that I do as a coach to help my
• 24:46
  clients be better leaders and be better stewards in their
• 24:50
  business and help them achieve more and be high achievers.
• 24:55
  Yeah, for sure. And Jaclyn also has Missing Link Network, which is one of the
• 24:59
  things that I have found very helpful in business. So it's a networking
• 25:02
  group. So we go out there, we meet other business owners,
• 25:06
  and we. It is, of course, networking. Lots of times the groups are for.
• 25:10
  Are helping each other build each other's business with giving
• 25:13
  referrals, you know, to grow business. But also what she's
• 25:16
  done with that is she's taken a lot of mastermind kind of ideas. So we're
• 25:20
  coming up with what's your elevator pitch? What's your unique, you
• 25:24
  know, buying proposition? Things that we have to know, and we're not
• 25:27
  necessarily good at that. So it becomes kind of like a board of
• 25:31
  directors almost for that. And what. And it's
• 25:34
  another thing that I find very interesting between the two of you. Right. Even though
• 25:38
  Kara is very much going in and you're very much going, let's go build. You
• 25:41
  know, business is a lot of what, what you're doing, Jaclyn, is that it's the
• 25:45
  same principles, right? It's listening to others, listening to your own
• 25:49
  story, finding your truth, acting on your truth. It's really, it's. It's
• 25:52
  really the same thing. So, Kara, your turn to kind of
• 25:56
  add into that how you. How you found in your podcast.
• 26:00
  It really kind of is a similar
• 26:04
  to. To Coach. I mean, I kind of know. I just want you to say
• 26:06
  it. Like, how, how do you bring out the wisdom? I love it. Oh, by
• 26:09
  the way, I'm like, Jaclyn, let's create something together and so we can
• 26:13
  be a whole bird. I'm loving, like, every
• 26:17
  day. I'll be the
• 26:21
  little body in the middle. Yeah,
• 26:24
  I, I think my answer to that question is very similar to
• 26:28
  what Jaclyn said, because I am going to start
• 26:32
  doing solo episodes, actually. And it's
• 26:35
  interesting how I've known I wanted to do solo episodes from
• 26:39
  the beginning, but because,
• 26:43
  Mary, as you've alluded several times, I don't have just
• 26:47
  like, here's what I talk about this thing
• 26:50
  and that broadness. I talk
• 26:54
  about the experience of humans. I talk
• 26:58
  about what it is like to be a human alive on the
• 27:02
  planet and the kind of things that come up in life. That's A very
• 27:06
  broad topic. And so I think that it was most
• 27:09
  natural for me to start by bringing other
• 27:13
  people in and holding space for their story, because
• 27:17
  I do not think most people
• 27:21
  are very comfortable with actually stepping
• 27:24
  in and just being there with people in it,
• 27:28
  whatever it is, and. Right.
• 27:32
  And that's the thing that I. I'm really good
• 27:35
  at. And so part of it is, like,
• 27:39
  let me highlight the things that these people
• 27:43
  are saying, like, you know, tools that they use to get through hard times
• 27:47
  or what it felt like to be in that. You,
• 27:50
  like, let's go there. Like, let's not just say, oh, man, I
• 27:54
  kind of didn't want to be here. Big
• 27:58
  statement. Like, let's. Let's go there a little more. Let's step
• 28:01
  into that a little bit. What was that like, day in and day out?
• 28:05
  How did you survive that? And all of a sudden, we're having
• 28:09
  a conversation on a different layer. My hope in
• 28:13
  that is that, you know, people listening, if they're in that
• 28:16
  space, feel the inspiration of,
• 28:20
  okay, I'm not the only one who's ever been here. That's how we usually feel
• 28:23
  when we're in hard times. I also hope that
• 28:27
  people are learning how to actually just be with people
• 28:30
  in hard times, hold space for
• 28:34
  hard conversations. I think if we as a
• 28:38
  society got a little bit better about not needing to, like,
• 28:42
  fix it to make ourselves feel more comfortable or
• 28:45
  offer some kind of like, well, you know, like just
• 28:49
  things. Yep. Pick yourself, buy your
• 28:52
  bootstraps, and positive things. You know, sometimes things are true
• 28:56
  but not helpful. Sometimes
• 29:00
  things just don't resonate and just feel you.
• 29:03
  When the work. One of the worst feelings when you're in a really hard circumstances
• 29:07
  is when you just feel like you are missing me.
• 29:11
  One of the greatest feelings is when you feel witnessed. When you feel
• 29:15
  like you get it. You, you, you. Oh, my gosh, you're just.
• 29:18
  You're okay with me being right here. You're okay with
• 29:22
  me still being sad 15 years later. You're okay with.
• 29:26
  I'm not positive at this moment in time. I'll get back there.
• 29:30
  But right now I'm feeling hopeless.
• 29:34
  So I think for me, I want to keep having this conversation about
• 29:38
  what it really means to step in with
• 29:41
  yourself, which is one of the things I teach my clients to do,
• 29:45
  what it means to step in with one another. Because we all want to have
• 29:49
  vibrant, you know, relationships with the people who really matter in our lives and our
• 29:52
  families, in our communities, in our work. You know, we
• 29:56
  want to have beautiful relationships, but I think talking about,
• 30:00
  what does that look like? You know, that that's for me. So I
• 30:03
  guess I highlight when people say things that I'm like, ooh,
• 30:07
  that's really powerful. I will highlight and reflect that.
• 30:11
  You know, I. I've learned, like, when I
• 30:14
  first started, my coaching is
• 30:18
  so different than holding space for someone's story, because
• 30:22
  I am holding space for your story if I'm coaching you, but I'm
• 30:25
  also talking more. So I had to find, like,
• 30:29
  my groove with taking up a little more space and actually
• 30:33
  contributing more of my little nuggets to the
• 30:36
  conversation in the podcast episodes. And that kind of happened
• 30:40
  over time. And I find in some
• 30:43
  episodes I do more of that, and in some episodes I
• 30:47
  do less of that. But as Jaclyn was sharing, you know, I experienced the
• 30:50
  same thing. Like, the wisdom from other people
• 30:54
  is just rampant, and we all have so
• 30:58
  much wisdom, and a lot of times we don't even know the things that
• 31:02
  we're saying are, like, so profound or so, like,
• 31:06
  poignant for people in so many circumstances, you
• 31:09
  know. And. And
• 31:13
  I do think what you're doing is so. I feel like it's. It is, like
• 31:17
  you said, very overlooked. And there was even, like, something go around,
• 31:20
  something going around on Facebook recently that was about, you
• 31:24
  know, holding space. And I remember I.
• 31:27
  I learned that term from you, like, what that means. It's like we're just going
• 31:31
  to be here with each other. And Jaclyn, you do a great job with this,
• 31:33
  too. And there's not a. It's. We're not judging each other.
• 31:37
  We're hearing each other and wondering where we are and just acknowledging that's where
• 31:41
  we are and just the.
• 31:45
  The fact that we need this so badly. Because if you've been through some kind
• 31:48
  of hell, the worst thing in the world, and almost it's
• 31:52
  re. Traumatizing and. And actually can take a
• 31:55
  trauma and make it in my mind 20 times worse
• 31:59
  by people who are not sitting with you and not
• 32:03
  seeing it and just saying, and. And it becomes kind of a
• 32:07
  blame. Right? You know, you're like that. Because I won't
• 32:10
  even say the things that. That have been said to me, but they're awful in
• 32:13
  my. In my mind, but from people who are. Who love me and are trying
• 32:17
  to help. And so. And it's not helpful, so. Because it's not helpful
• 32:20
  and you're not seen and you don't understand some of the ramifications of what
• 32:24
  goes on in your body when you've been, you know, for.
• 32:28
  Psychologically abused, for example. And People don't understand what goes on your
• 32:31
  nervous system. So. So people say dumb things, you know, or,
• 32:35
  you know, you don't know. Like, you know, in management, it's the same thing. Like
• 32:38
  in business, like, I just heard someone, like, you know, someone's having the worst
• 32:42
  time, you know, getting divorced and all this stuff, and someone comes in with, like,
• 32:46
  this. The slam dunk on what the age has been wrong with you, you
• 32:50
  know, like, so it. It translates to, you know,
• 32:53
  your personal life and your business life. And if we're not paying
• 32:57
  attention to people being humans and just a cog in the
• 33:01
  wheel or just, you know, get. Stop, get over that, you know, move
• 33:04
  on, you know, pick yourself up. Let's get going.
• 33:08
  We really do a lot of damage. To people, you know, Mary, what you just,
• 33:11
  you know, it's sharing that it's so important that whether
• 33:14
  you are. No matter where you are in your life, whether you're leading
• 33:18
  people or you're a
• 33:22
  partner in a firm. And when I say partner, I mean an employee, because I
• 33:25
  hate the word employee. It's like one of my. Like, I hate. There's two words
• 33:29
  I think need to get out of work, which is
• 33:33
  manager and employee. We don't manage. You manage a
• 33:36
  herd of sheep. We are not sheep. We're not cows. We are
• 33:40
  humans. And every human in a business is a
• 33:43
  partner, you know, and that's how I look at people.
• 33:47
  And so I think that no matter where you are
• 33:51
  in your life or no matter what you are doing, we
• 33:55
  have to spend time getting
• 33:59
  to know what each other's, for
• 34:02
  lack of a better word, mission and vision is in life and where we want
• 34:06
  to be. And you have to put that emotional
• 34:09
  intelligence into your life
• 34:13
  for other people. Because otherwise, you know, if you treat people
• 34:17
  just like a cog on the wheel or the number,
• 34:21
  and they're. They're not feel
• 34:24
  attached to the other person or the
• 34:28
  business or the thing. And we want to create that
• 34:32
  attachment. You know, I think. I think back to,
• 34:36
  you know, times and like, the best corporate
• 34:39
  experience that I. And it wasn't the
• 34:43
  manager. It was the fact that the team that we were
• 34:47
  part of. It was such an entrepreneurial family.
• 34:51
  We were all in it together. And
• 34:57
  when that ended, it was like a
• 35:01
  marriage ending or divorce or you're breaking up a family.
• 35:04
  And it was. I kept thinking, oh, we want to replicate this. We
• 35:08
  want to replicate this amazing attachment
• 35:13
  at another place. And what it was is that it is in
• 35:17
  a huge learning was realizing that
• 35:20
  we all were part of something that we had a
• 35:24
  vested interest in seeing it succeed, and
• 35:28
  we each knew that we were
• 35:33
  sorry. You know, it was bigger than ourselves. Right. And so if
• 35:36
  you can create that, whether it's, you know, in your family and you're,
• 35:40
  like, with the other people that are around you, you realize, yes, you're important,
• 35:44
  but there's so much more.
• 35:49
  Yeah, for sure. I would love to share a quote. As you're
• 35:52
  talking, I'm like, oh, I have to see who the. Who said this, and, you
• 35:56
  know, know, I'm gonna butcher his name, but is it Antoine the
• 35:59
  Saint, author of the Little Prince? If you
• 36:03
  want. If you want to build a print, if you want to build a
• 36:07
  ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood. Divide the work
• 36:10
  and give orders. Instead, teach
• 36:14
  them to yearn for the vast and endless
• 36:17
  sea. That just, like, sums up what you're talking about,
• 36:21
  Jaclyn. I think in any organization, like, if we actually
• 36:25
  create that longing together and we're all,
• 36:28
  like, valued for whatever we're contributing
• 36:32
  and we have a voice and we're able to, you know, share.
• 36:36
  I know, like, in my organization, like, in my. In my coaching and my
• 36:39
  podcasting, I'm like, I want everyone to feel like I'm
• 36:43
  doing things that feel aligned and make me feel alive. And,
• 36:47
  you know, if you have a voice, like, if you're like this,
• 36:51
  this task drains me. Can we. Can we look at
• 36:55
  reallocating or. That's been one of the things my producer and
• 36:58
  I, from the beginning have, you know, really been so honest
• 37:02
  and open in our communication. And, you know, we have a different level of
• 37:06
  commitment to each other and the product, the.
• 37:10
  The. The podcast itself. And I think when
• 37:13
  you can feel. You feel that energy, when that's there versus
• 37:17
  missing. Yeah. And I think that happens in family systems. That happens
• 37:21
  in businesses. Like, I love what you were saying, and I just wanted to share
• 37:24
  that. Quote, but no, I. I absolutely love that it's actually going to make me
• 37:27
  want to reread the. The Little Prince because I'm like, I love. I feel
• 37:31
  like so many of our kid books, right? Like, I. There's
• 37:35
  certain ones that I just absolutely adore, and so I've got to reread the Little
• 37:39
  Prince. Another one of my absolute favorite ones is, you know,
• 37:42
  the. The Melting Pot, which is a great book. It's about telling the
• 37:46
  truth, and it's great. But there's also another book called
• 37:50
  Ellison the Elephant, and it is
• 37:54
  all about knowing and finding your own voice.
• 37:58
  And it's. It's a. It's a Great book.
• 38:02
  I. Absolutely, you know, the, the gist of it really quickly
• 38:06
  is that Ellison is this little elephant and he cannot make the trumpet
• 38:09
  sound at all of an elephant. And so, you know, he goes through
• 38:13
  the things that we all go through as a kid, like being teased and that,
• 38:16
  you know, all those stuff, and he ends up going out
• 38:19
  and his friend Weasel. Not
• 38:23
  necessarily sure if it's really an imaginary friend or if it's a real friend,
• 38:26
  but Weasel helps him find his voice and he
• 38:30
  makes this beautiful trumpet, jazzy sound. And
• 38:34
  as soon as he starts making it, all the other
• 38:37
  elephants want to know how to do it.
• 38:42
  But it's all about finding your. It's like, all about finding your voice. Like, each
• 38:46
  and every one of us has a voice. We can, you know, we can say
• 38:49
  the same thing, but it's going to resonate differently with other
• 38:53
  people. And it's so important.
• 38:56
  Yes. Yeah. I think these, and these
• 39:00
  messages are so important. I think both in family and in
• 39:04
  personal circles and in business. And I just, like, even this last week, I was
• 39:08
  talking to people, three different people said they
• 39:12
  were wondering if they should sue an employer because
• 39:15
  the, just the, the
• 39:18
  abuse. The abuse, I mean, you know, it's psychological. It's not, you know,
• 39:22
  being hit or anything, but is so bad. And I'm like, I feel like there's,
• 39:25
  there's an epidemic in leadership going on. And this is people in different states
• 39:29
  and different industries. It's not one industry at
• 39:33
  all. And then, of course, you know, we have so much, you know,
• 39:37
  interpersonal crises. That's, that's kind of everywhere. So. Yeah,
• 39:40
  and it's, it's what you guys are saying. It's every, it's all the, it's the
• 39:44
  stuff of listening and understanding and building together. And
• 39:48
  Jaclyn, I never heard that term. You don't like
• 39:51
  manager and employee. You like, what were the terms? You
• 39:55
  said partner. Partner, where we lead, people. We.
• 40:00
  I never can't stand it. I, I, it, it drives me like,
• 40:03
  it's like nails on a chalkboard. I'm an employee.
• 40:07
  And it just sounds so derogatory.
• 40:11
  Everybody is. They're a team member. They're a partner. And we
• 40:15
  are, we, we're made of leaders. Managers
• 40:18
  literally manage tasks. And we, we, you know, it's
• 40:22
  product management, it's task oriented.
• 40:26
  No, I believe people. Right. Don't get the word
• 40:30
  management and employee out. Right.
• 40:34
  Yeah, Yeah, I love that. And I do think it would change. I think it
• 40:38
  would change cultures that need to be changed in business and in, you know,
• 40:41
  the world. So that's great. I
• 40:46
  wanted to ask you guys about your, your books since you both
• 40:49
  have things that you've written and just tell us a little bit about that. And
• 40:53
  then as we finish up, I'm just like, if there's questions you guys have of
• 40:56
  each other, I'd love to hear that too. But Kara, why don't you start this
• 40:59
  time? Your book. Yeah. Books,
• 41:04
  sections and books. I have co authored three different books that have been
• 41:07
  published. The first one was called Pebbles in the
• 41:11
  Pond, Wave four. And that one
• 41:15
  is a collection of stories about like a moment in time
• 41:19
  that was transformative in your life. And for me, that was
• 41:22
  a moment in time. That was the first published
• 41:28
  piece that I ever put out into the world. And it was a huge part
• 41:31
  of my own healing because it was finding the freedom
• 41:35
  to, you know, and for me, it wasn't about being
• 41:39
  seen or anyone having access to me. Like,
• 41:42
  I didn't have the fear of, like, oh, I don't want people to see me.
• 41:46
  It was I, the person who had been
• 41:49
  my abuser. I did not want that person to have access
• 41:53
  to me. And it was terrifying to put anything out in the world. So I'm
• 41:56
  happy to say I'm so far past that and I'll put anything in the world,
• 42:00
  like, I am just living my free life.
• 42:04
  Then I did another one called Dream Boldly, I dare you. And
• 42:07
  that one was really fun. And it was, that was a
• 42:11
  compilation of bold dreaming and moments, you
• 42:14
  know, shared by people where a dream either, you know, the
• 42:18
  premise of the dream or the dream becoming reality. That's a really cool
• 42:22
  book. And most recently, I contributed a chapter to
• 42:26
  a breathwork anthology that, you know, I
• 42:30
  shared of a story. It was actually from my near death experience
• 42:34
  and what breath work, you know, how breath work has been a part
• 42:38
  of my healing. Um, I love
• 42:41
  contributing chapters to anthologies because it's so
• 42:45
  like, there's a start, there's a finish, there's a word count,
• 42:48
  there's a, you know, you go on a journey to write it. Anytime you write
• 42:52
  and publish anything, it's a journey, it's an inner journey.
• 42:56
  But you can't like drag it out so much because it's just like, here's your
• 42:59
  parameters and the creator in me loves
• 43:03
  those parameters. I, I, I was actually working on
• 43:07
  a book before my accident and I may
• 43:11
  still write that book, but I definitely switched gears
• 43:15
  and most recently and currently I'm working on a book
• 43:19
  about my, my journey in, you know,
• 43:23
  having a life event that completely changed
• 43:26
  my life Pulled the rug out from under me after I had
• 43:30
  worked so, so hard to secure that rug under me. You
• 43:34
  know, I. I had really worked hard to
• 43:37
  build a life that I loved. And then one day, it
• 43:41
  all went away. And not all of it. There were aspects of it that were
• 43:44
  still there, but with a brain injury, you are not
• 43:48
  yourself. You. You. You can't access all parts of
• 43:52
  yourself. And so I have
• 43:55
  been working on this book, sort of
• 43:59
  detailing for me. I like to write about
• 44:03
  the transformation. I like to write about lived
• 44:07
  experiences and kind of the gold that's been mined
• 44:11
  from those lived experiences, because I really.
• 44:15
  That's how I get through hard things is like, okay, but what are
• 44:18
  we mining here? How are we making life better through this?
• 44:22
  And for me, I think the real, like, see, steadying myself
• 44:26
  to be okay, truly okay,
• 44:30
  right here, right now. And I thought that was the
• 44:34
  whole arc of the book. And as I got into the book,
• 44:38
  when I got to that part, I was like, oh, this is
• 44:41
  actually the middle of this arc. For me, the. The
• 44:45
  next wave that I'm living now is beyond being okay. Once
• 44:49
  you've studied yourself and you're truly okay right here,
• 44:53
  how do you build from here with what you've got and love
• 44:57
  your freaking life? Because I'm just a person who. I don't want to just be
• 45:01
  like, I'm okay. I'm like, no, I want to love my
• 45:05
  life. And so if my life needs to look really
• 45:08
  differently, I'm going to keep giving
• 45:12
  space for the things that I lament and grieve that can't be a
• 45:16
  part of my life. But I also want to keep opening the doors
• 45:19
  into the new, like, well, this is me now. So what does
• 45:23
  life look like for me in a ways that I'm like, wow,
• 45:27
  this is great. I love this. And so it's restructuring things around
• 45:31
  me, restructuring things within me. I really
• 45:35
  believe that the key to being
• 45:38
  happy is to take responsibility
• 45:42
  for. I'm going to meet myself
• 45:45
  wherever I am, and I'm going to feel everything
• 45:49
  there is to feel, and I'm going to keep giving space for that, and I'm
• 45:53
  going to support myself in all the ways necessary. I'm going to
• 45:56
  steady my feet under me, and then I'm going to find ways
• 46:00
  to feel alive and to feel joy right
• 46:03
  here and to, you know, squeeze all that I can out of life.
• 46:07
  So that's what I've been writing about now. And I
• 46:11
  don't have, like, a. And I'll be wrapping that book up
• 46:14
  in. I. I guess I would love by the end of this year
• 46:18
  to have a rough draft of that book, but we'll see as time
• 46:22
  and brain injury and doing all the things allow. You know,
• 46:25
  I. I don't always get to be in control of the timelines anymore,
• 46:29
  which is one of the things that I have to work with. Right.
• 46:33
  Well, in listening to you, because I've known you for so long, I'm having all
• 46:37
  the emotions of, like, remembering that first book launch
• 46:40
  and how much it took to go to not being scared
• 46:44
  anymore into being willing to say it. And then I'm.
• 46:48
  Then I'm remembering, you know, that because the. The
• 46:52
  accident happened right when I was moving from Nashville to Atlanta,
• 46:55
  and I had texted you and said, hey, are you free? And then you didn't
• 46:59
  respond, and you didn't respond, and I was literally. I was just like, I'm. I'm
• 47:03
  hurt by this to find out you're in a hospital almost dead.
• 47:07
  Right. You know, and. Yeah, so I'm just having all those
• 47:10
  emotions right now. And I think with you, too, I mean, I want to cover
• 47:14
  different things, like in the physical, you know, things in the world that can
• 47:17
  stop us and what we can do for just very tangible healing things. And
• 47:21
  have you talk about specifically brain injury later, but with you, it's like,
• 47:25
  you. You. You don't know. You're brain injured. You could have these
• 47:29
  amazing conversations and lead people, and it's like, what do you mean you're brain injured?
• 47:32
  You don't look brain injured. And of course, with you, it's more in
• 47:36
  the movement and the driving and. And a bunch of,
• 47:40
  you know, auditory, but, like, just talking
• 47:44
  to you. Yeah. And stamina. I think stamina is the hardest
• 47:47
  until you. Yeah, because. And the invisibility of it, you know, the fact
• 47:51
  that people are like, oh, you don't look. I could never tell. Like, that's. That's
• 47:55
  part of what's hard is, you know, you're. You're doing everything you can to show
• 47:59
  up and be so present and, you know, know the way that, like, the. The
• 48:02
  recovery from something like this, engaged conversation or,
• 48:06
  you know, what I have to do to reserve my energy
• 48:10
  in a day to be able to have a conversation like this in an evening.
• 48:14
  You know, that stamina, which is just not normal
• 48:18
  life, you know, we. We're used to kind of like, okay, yes,
• 48:22
  and we can do this, and then I'll push through and do that. There's no
• 48:24
  pushing through. You know, there's very. You've got
• 48:28
  the dose. This is what. This is what you get to deal with, maybe, because
• 48:32
  maybe it won't be there today. Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:36
  Right. Right. Yeah. And which is why, like, what you do, like,
• 48:39
  stepping in with people and, like, having, you know, having an understanding, because, like, you.
• 48:43
  We could make judgments on people because we don't know. We don't just don't. We
• 48:46
  just don't. Well, we don't know. And also on that note, I want to hear
• 48:49
  about Jaclyn's book, and then I do want to just kind of, like, have you
• 48:52
  guys ask questions and wrap it up, because, Kara, I know you're. You are
• 48:56
  on your. Your push. You're pushing for me tonight.
• 49:00
  I know you are. So you don't look like it, but I know it. So.
• 49:03
  Okay, so, Jaclyn, tell us about. And I want to see the COVID Let's see
• 49:06
  this amazing cover of this book that says, not for sale.
• 49:11
  Not for resale. Because this is the proof copy, right?
• 49:20
  Yeah, it was funny, actually, because I got these two books
• 49:23
  delivered from. For the podcast that I did yesterday, and
• 49:27
  then I got this other delivery, and I'm like, oh, oh, my God, those are
• 49:31
  my books. Like, that's mine. Like that. That, like. Like, that's
• 49:35
  my name on it. It's like, you know, and Kira, as you know, it's like,
• 49:38
  you see that and you're like, right, so.
• 49:41
  So it's kind of the. The thing about this book that
• 49:45
  I think is a little bit different is, is a lot of times when you'll
• 49:49
  see a business book or a management
• 49:53
  whatever, it's like a title with no. Kind of interesting, kind
• 49:57
  of graphic. I mean, this could technically, you know, not that I put
• 50:00
  some guy on here that looks like long, flowy hair. It could be like a
• 50:04
  romance novel or anything. But, you know, we put the COVID
• 50:08
  you know, it's. It's a little bit kind of funny. You know,
• 50:11
  penguins have an incredible sense of direction and
• 50:15
  know where they're going. And if you look, that penguin is nowhere where it should
• 50:19
  ever be because it's on top of looking
• 50:22
  at a vast valley. But it's. It's
• 50:26
  really. It's charting. It's obviously, you can see it's charting true north. And this
• 50:30
  is. It's what it's supposed
• 50:33
  to be one of seven. So it's the first in a series of seven. It
• 50:37
  took us, I think, my co author and I, I think we started
• 50:41
  writing it or deciding we wanted to write a book
• 50:44
  in January, and we were. We actually
• 50:48
  pretty much had it done. But going
• 50:51
  from the pages to
• 50:55
  proofing it to get other people to read it, which we really wanted.
• 50:59
  That process took a heck of a lot longer than we
• 51:02
  anticipated. So, you know, learning lesson, like, have those
• 51:06
  people lined up to keep the. The process going. But it's not
• 51:09
  just your typical book filled. It's. It's actually a workbook.
• 51:13
  So there's the first. First section
• 51:17
  is, you know,
• 51:20
  it's information, and then the second session is exercises.
• 51:24
  And then there's journal prompts for you to actually write
• 51:27
  and. And talk about and think about your leadership. And then there's
• 51:31
  31 days of assessing yourself, like, with additional prompts
• 51:35
  to write out, like, how are you in your leadership? How is your leadership
• 51:39
  journey going? Where. Where are you on the emotional side? Where
• 51:43
  are you with your values and your principles? So we
• 51:46
  really wanted it to be something
• 51:50
  that people grabbed and wrote
• 51:54
  in and not just read, which is also why
• 51:57
  it's, you know,
• 52:01
  so it's as we have on here, it's like, for CEOs who
• 52:04
  feel the tension between staying true to themselves and meeting the demands of leadership,
• 52:08
  because we also, you know, part of that is that whole philosophy of
• 52:12
  knowing where you are in your life, knowing what your
• 52:16
  own personal values are and what your own personal mission is, and how
• 52:20
  do you bring that into leadership and into the company that you're part of
• 52:23
  or part of that team that you're building,
• 52:27
  and how do you bring it out in others? Because that's the other key
• 52:31
  part. Oops.
• 52:35
  Oh, there it is.
• 52:39
  This is our. This now for a dance party.
• 52:43
  It got through because he's on do not
• 52:47
  disturb. Oops. Do not disturb.
• 52:50
  And no, I'm on a podcast.
• 52:56
  It's like those personal things, like, you have, like, the person that you allow
• 52:59
  to come through and you put it on do not disturb. It's my husband, so
• 53:02
  I needed to have him online. Yeah, well,
• 53:06
  you know, tell him we said hi. He deserves that.
• 53:10
  So. Yeah. Yeah.
• 53:14
  Well, I appreciate and love you guys so much. And, Jaclyn, I'm
• 53:17
  excited to read your new book. And. And we'll have links to
• 53:21
  everything for everyone. And I. Nara Kara. I can almost feel that. I know
• 53:25
  you're. You're. Because you're later than me right now. So we are on. We're on
• 53:28
  three different time zones on this podcast right now. So we're on Pacific
• 53:32
  time, central time, and Eastern time, which is super fun, and I love being
• 53:36
  able to grab people from different parts of the country and, you know, talk through
• 53:39
  things. So any last words for us of wisdom
• 53:43
  you guys have as we. As we exit or Thoughts.
• 53:47
  And if you're all out of thoughts, then you can actually just
• 53:51
  dance.
• 53:56
  Well, I. I would. My last word to people, like, just. Just
• 53:59
  reflecting on, you know, this new venture for you. The healthy,
• 54:03
  happy, wise, wealthy. I think a lot
• 54:07
  of times, you know, life. Life is a lot,
• 54:10
  and it's full of many adventures.
• 54:14
  And, you know, sometimes when you've been.
• 54:17
  Whether dealt a few hands or gone through some difficult things,
• 54:21
  I think sometimes you can get in this, you know, state of
• 54:25
  discouragement where you. You don't. You lose hope or you
• 54:29
  feel powerless. And I think if
• 54:32
  I could leave people with one word and all these beautiful conversations
• 54:36
  that we've had around podcasting and writing and
• 54:40
  coaching, the thing that I would. I would want people to remember
• 54:43
  is no matter what has
• 54:46
  happened in your life, there
• 54:50
  is always agency
• 54:54
  to. To get back on your feet and find
• 54:58
  a way forward toward a
• 55:01
  better space for you.
• 55:05
  And, you know, that. That's why, you know, we
• 55:08
  do what we do and, you know, we do it
• 55:12
  differently or maybe with slightly different people, but people are people.
• 55:16
  And, you know, whether you're working with life or business or whatever,
• 55:19
  but there's always an action you can take
• 55:23
  and, you know, get support because it's like
• 55:27
  what we can do with support. It's like farther,
• 55:31
  faster. You know, I. I do that in my own
• 55:34
  life. I, you know, there are things that I know I can do on my
• 55:37
  own, and there are things that I know I need support for this. I need
• 55:40
  a higher support for this because, you know, I want to get
• 55:44
  where I'm going, and I want someone who knows how to get me there
• 55:47
  faster to help me along. So, yeah, there's
• 55:51
  always something you can do to step in
• 55:55
  and make your life, you know, a better place to be for
• 55:59
  you. Yes. And I think, you
• 56:03
  know, we've said this, alluded to it a couple times, but it's like we do
• 56:06
  so much better together. And we. We. When we
• 56:10
  know, like, even when we're talking about things that we're not the only one,
• 56:14
  like, I'm not the only one. The amount of just healing,
• 56:18
  just knowing that brings. Or knowing someone who's
• 56:21
  like, really hears you and knows you, it's like, oh, my gosh, they. They.
• 56:26
  Sometimes it feels almost shocking, but that just. That in and of itself is so.
• 56:30
  And I. What I want to say, I guess also just adding to that parting,
• 56:33
  Parting words, is that life is a journey, and we're all on a journey.
• 56:37
  And that along with, like, stepping in is.
• 56:41
  And creating that momentum, it's two steps. Like, we can take two steps to create
• 56:44
  that momentum for what we are doing. It is a journey.
• 56:48
  And that no matter. You know, no matter what
• 56:51
  happens, you know, being. You know,
• 56:55
  coming from that place of gratitude that we
• 56:59
  are. We are living, we are moving forward
• 57:03
  and, you know, doing, like, what Mary's doing, which
• 57:06
  is just hit go right, and know that
• 57:10
  it's. It's okay, you know? And we can. We can
• 57:13
  reflect on the good, the bad, and the ugly, but know
• 57:17
  that there's always so. Something beautiful that you can learn from
• 57:21
  it. Amen. And also, I wouldn't do this without
• 57:24
  Erika. So it's, like, better together, right? And I don't think I'd be here without
• 57:28
  either one of you, so. Better together. I
• 57:32
  love you guys so much. Thank you for. Thank you so much for being here
• 57:35
  for the first one. It just felt like exactly the right thing, and
• 57:39
  I so appreciate and love you guys. And I'm gonna have you guys on again,
• 57:43
  and I will talk to you probably a million times. Love you, Mary. Thank you
• 57:46
  for having us. This was really sweet. It was really sweet.