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Growing Beyond Conflict: The Power of Polarity Thinking for Healing, Thriving, and Becoming Wiser (Part 2) · Deep Transformation

• 0:00
  In
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  part
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  two
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  of
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  our
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  explorations
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  of
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  polarity
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  management
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  with
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  world
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  experts
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  Barry
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  Johnson
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  and
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  Beena
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  Sharma,
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  we
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  dive
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  into
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  the
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  implications
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  and
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  applications
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  of
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  polarity
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  management
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  for
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  understanding,
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  surviving
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  and
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  thriving
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  in
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  relationships,
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  organizations
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  and
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  life.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  transformation
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  So
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  interesting
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  things
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  I
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  find
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  is
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  to
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  look
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  at
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  the
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  polarities
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  or
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  the
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  pole
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  preferences
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  I
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  should
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  say,
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  that
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  show
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  up
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  at
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  each
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  stage.
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  In
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  some
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  ways
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  you
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  can
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  say
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  that
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  stages
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  can
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  be
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  defined
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  by
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  a
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  series
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  of
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  pole
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  preferences.
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  You
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  know,
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  you
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  I
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  pay
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  attention
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  to
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  one
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  pole
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  only
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  of
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  another,
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  one
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  pole
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  of
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  another,
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  one
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  pole
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  of
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  another
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  and
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  they
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  all
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  stack
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  up
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  and
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  then
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  very
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  quickly
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  that
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  is
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  sort
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  of
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  the
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  blueprint
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  of
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  a
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  much
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  narrower
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  way
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  of
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  seeing.
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  So
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  at
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  each
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  stage
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  you
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  see
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  some
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  natural
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  preferencing
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  or
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  privileging.
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  Sometimes
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  it's
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  unconscious
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  and
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  sometimes
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  it's
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  chosen.
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  So
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  at
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  the
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  very
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  early
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  stage
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  we
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  privilege
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  self
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  interest
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  over
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  others
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  interests
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  because
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  that's
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  all
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  we
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  can
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  do.
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  So
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  it's
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  more
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  a
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  function
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  of
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  the
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  stage
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  and
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  there's
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  only
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  intent
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  and
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  immediate
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  gratification.
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  There's
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  no
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  idea
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  of
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  the
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  impact,
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  there's
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  no
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  idea
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  of
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  the
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  consequence,
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  there's
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  no
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  capacity.
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  Then
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  we
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  get
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  to
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  the
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  next
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  stage.
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  There
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  are
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  a
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  couple
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  of
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  other
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  things
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  we
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  end
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  up
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  privileging,
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  we
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  end
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  up
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  privileging
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  the
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  other
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  person.
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  It's
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  more
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  important
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  what
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  you
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  think
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  of
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  me
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  and
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  make
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  sure
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  that
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  you
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  are
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  happy
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  with
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  me.
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  I'm
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  more
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  interested
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  in
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  your
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  approval
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  and
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  I
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  really
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  don't
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  have
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  my
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  own
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  voice
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  in
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  that
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  case.
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  I
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  privilege
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  that
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  part.
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  I
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  privilege
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  harmonizing
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  over
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  asserting
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  myself
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  at
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  the
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  next
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  stage
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  as
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  I
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  separate
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  myself
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  from
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  the
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  social
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  approval
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  stage,
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  if
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  you
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  will.
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  My
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  sense
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  of
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  self
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  comes
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  from
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  what
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  I
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  do,
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  what
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  I
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  know.
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  And
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  so
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  now
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  I
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  privilege
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  what
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  I
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  know.
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  And
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  so
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  I
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  become
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  more
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  advocating.
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  I
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  know
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  what's
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  what,
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  I
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  know
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  what's
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  right,
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  this
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  is
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  how
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  it
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  should
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  be.
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  And
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  inquiry
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  is
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  not
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  online.
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  I
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  don't
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  know
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  yet
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  how
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  to
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  inquire
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  because
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  I'm
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  still
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  finding
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  who
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  I
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  am,
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  finding
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  my
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  voice,
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  finding
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  what's
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  important
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  to
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  me.
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  And
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  I
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  also
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  privilege
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  just
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  working
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  by
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  myself.
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  It's
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  hard
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  for
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  me
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  to
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  work
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  with
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  somebody
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  else
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  and
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  collaborate
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  because
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  I'm
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  so
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  convinced
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  that
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  this
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  one
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  way
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  of
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  doing
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  it
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  and
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  to
• 2:42
  include
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  you
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  is
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  messy
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  and
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  I
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  don't
• 2:44
  know
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  how
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  to
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  do
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  that
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  yet.
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  Then
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  at
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  the
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  next
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  stage
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  I
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  learn
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  that
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  I
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  learn
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  of
• 2:50
  collaboration,
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  I
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  learn
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  a
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  bit
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  little
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  bit
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  of
• 2:52
  inquiry.
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  But
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  then
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  there
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  are
• 2:53
  other
• 2:54
  things
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  that
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  I
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  tend
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  to
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  privilege
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  because
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  of
• 2:56
  that
• 2:57
  stage
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  view.
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  One
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  of
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  them
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  is
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  achieving
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  and
• 3:01
  performing.
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  So
• 3:02
  I'm
• 3:02
  able
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  to
• 3:02
  collaborate,
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  I'm
• 3:03
  able
• 3:03
  to
• 3:03
  set
• 3:04
  goals,
• 3:04
  and
• 3:04
  I'm
• 3:04
  achieving
• 3:05
  and
• 3:05
  performing,
• 3:06
  but
• 3:06
  I'm
• 3:06
  not
• 3:07
  learning
• 3:08
  from
• 3:08
  my
• 3:08
  mistakes
• 3:08
  or
• 3:09
  I'm
• 3:09
  not
• 3:09
  learning
• 3:10
  from
• 3:10
  others.
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  And
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  I'm
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  driving,
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  driving,
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  driving.
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  And
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  I
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  don't
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  know
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  what
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  it
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  means
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  to
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  just
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  pause
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  and
• 3:18
  let's
• 3:18
  see
• 3:18
  what's
• 3:18
  emerging.
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  Let
• 3:21
  me
• 3:21
  say
• 3:22
  something
• 3:22
  at
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  this
• 3:22
  point.
• 3:23
  I've
• 3:23
  been
• 3:23
  working
• 3:23
  out
• 3:23
  all
• 3:23
  these
• 3:24
  polarities
• 3:24
  in
• 3:24
  my
• 3:24
  brain
• 3:25
  while
• 3:25
  we've
• 3:25
  been
• 3:25
  speaking.
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  And
• 3:26
  this
• 3:26
  came
• 3:27
  to
• 3:27
  me
• 3:27
  that
• 3:27
  the
• 3:27
  ancient
• 3:28
  Greeks,
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  the
• 3:28
  concept,
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  the
• 3:29
  idea
• 3:29
  of
• 3:29
  virtue
• 3:30
  was
• 3:30
  very
• 3:30
  important.
• 3:31
  They
• 3:31
  really
• 3:31
  struggled.
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  What
• 3:32
  the
• 3:32
  heck
• 3:33
  does
• 3:33
  that
• 3:33
  mean?
• 3:33
  And
• 3:33
  I
• 3:34
  think
• 3:34
  Aristotle,
• 3:34
  I
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  believe
• 3:35
  it's.
• 3:35
  When
• 3:35
  he
• 3:35
  came
• 3:36
  to
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  it,
• 3:36
  he
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  finally
• 3:36
  said
• 3:36
  it.
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  Virtuous.
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  A
• 3:38
  virtuous
• 3:39
  act.
• 3:39
  How
• 3:39
  we
• 3:39
  approach
• 3:39
  a
• 3:40
  situation
• 3:40
  is
• 3:41
  by
• 3:41
  doing
• 3:41
  what
• 3:42
  is
• 3:42
  appropriate.
• 3:43
  And
• 3:44
  it
• 3:44
  seems
• 3:44
  to
• 3:44
  me
• 3:44
  that
• 3:44
  this
• 3:45
  polarity
• 3:46
  is
• 3:46
  what
• 3:46
  helps
• 3:47
  us
• 3:47
  as
• 3:47
  a
• 3:47
  mechanism
• 3:48
  whereby
• 3:48
  we
• 3:48
  can
• 3:48
  arrive
• 3:49
  at
• 3:49
  that
• 3:50
  appropriate
• 3:50
  point
• 3:51
  and
• 3:51
  we
• 3:52
  can
• 3:52
  do
• 3:52
  what
• 3:52
  fits
• 3:53
  the
• 3:54
  moment,
• 3:54
  what
• 3:54
  fits
• 3:54
  the
• 3:55
  occasion.
• 3:56
  Absolutely
• 3:57
  right.
• 3:57
  Absolutely.
• 3:58
  It's
• 3:58
  adapting
• 3:59
  to
• 3:59
  what
• 3:59
  is
• 3:59
  needed.
• 4:00
  But
• 4:00
  if
• 4:00
  you
• 4:00
  privilege
• 4:01
  one
• 4:02
  all
• 4:02
  the
• 4:02
  time,
• 4:03
  and
• 4:03
  then
• 4:03
  if
• 4:03
  the
• 4:04
  opposite
• 4:04
  is
• 4:04
  needed
• 4:05
  and
• 4:05
  you
• 4:05
  haven't
• 4:05
  included
• 4:06
  that,
• 4:06
  you
• 4:06
  don't
• 4:06
  know
• 4:07
  how
• 4:07
  to
• 4:07
  do
• 4:07
  that,
• 4:08
  then
• 4:08
  you're
• 4:09
  incapable
• 4:10
  actually
• 4:10
  of
• 4:10
  adapting,
• 4:11
  of
• 4:11
  bringing
• 4:12
  what's
• 4:12
  appropriate.
• 4:12
  And
• 4:13
  that's.
• 4:13
  So
• 4:14
  when
• 4:14
  you
• 4:14
  do
• 4:14
  polarity
• 4:15
  thinking,
• 4:15
  you're
• 4:15
  able
• 4:16
  to,
• 4:16
  you're
• 4:17
  able
• 4:17
  to
• 4:17
  dance,
• 4:18
  you
• 4:18
  know,
• 4:18
  you
• 4:19
  can
• 4:19
  bring.
• 4:19
  I
• 4:19
  can
• 4:20
  bring
• 4:20
  adventurous
• 4:20
  when
• 4:21
  needed,
• 4:21
  I
• 4:21
  can
• 4:21
  bring
• 4:21
  cautiousness
• 4:22
  when
• 4:22
  needed.
• 4:23
  That's
• 4:24
  appropriateness.
• 4:25
  But
• 4:25
  when
• 4:25
  you
• 4:25
  do
• 4:26
  unipolar
• 4:26
  thinking,
• 4:27
  then
• 4:27
  you,
• 4:28
  it's
• 4:28
  like,
• 4:28
  you
• 4:28
  know,
• 4:29
  the
• 4:29
  old
• 4:29
  ad
• 4:29
  age,
• 4:30
  you
• 4:30
  know,
• 4:30
  you,
• 4:31
  you
• 4:31
  have
• 4:31
  a
• 4:31
  hammer
• 4:32
  and
• 4:32
  everything
• 4:32
  is
• 4:32
  a
• 4:32
  nail,
• 4:33
  and
• 4:33
  that's
• 4:33
  what
• 4:33
  you
• 4:33
  do.
• 4:35
  So
• 4:36
  should
• 4:36
  I
• 4:36
  continue
• 4:36
  on
• 4:37
  the
• 4:37
  later
• 4:37
  stage
• 4:38
  polarities
• 4:38
  or
• 4:38
  should
• 4:38
  we
• 4:39
  just
• 4:39
  pause
• 4:39
  here
• 4:40
  and
• 4:40
  perhaps
• 4:40
  you
• 4:40
  want
• 4:41
  to
• 4:41
  go
• 4:41
  somewhere
• 4:41
  else?
• 4:42
  I
• 4:42
  think
• 4:43
  at
• 4:43
  some
• 4:43
  stage
• 4:43
  it
• 4:44
  would
• 4:44
  be
• 4:44
  really
• 4:44
  interesting
• 4:45
  to
• 4:45
  see
• 4:45
  how
• 4:45
  polarity
• 4:46
  thinking
• 4:46
  changes
• 4:47
  across
• 4:47
  developmental
• 4:48
  stages.
• 4:49
  But
• 4:49
  let
• 4:49
  me
• 4:49
  bring
• 4:49
  in
• 4:49
  a
• 4:50
  very
• 4:50
  concrete
• 4:50
  thing.
• 4:51
  Barry
• 4:52
  really
• 4:52
  emphasized
• 4:53
  that
• 4:54
  we
• 4:55
  need
• 4:55
  both,
• 4:55
  that
• 4:57
  either
• 4:57
  all
• 4:58
  thinking
• 4:58
  and
• 4:59
  both
• 4:59
  and
• 5:00
  thinking
• 5:00
  are
• 5:02
  absolutely
• 5:02
  essential
• 5:03
  and
• 5:03
  that
• 5:03
  the
• 5:03
  two
• 5:03
  are
• 5:04
  actually
• 5:04
  a
• 5:04
  polarity,
• 5:05
  interdependent
• 5:06
  polarity.
• 5:07
  But
• 5:07
  it
• 5:07
  seems
• 5:08
  that
• 5:08
  there's
• 5:09
  a
• 5:09
  progression
• 5:10
  that
• 5:10
  we
• 5:10
  start
• 5:11
  off
• 5:11
  with
• 5:11
  either
• 5:12
  or
• 5:12
  thinking
• 5:13
  overemphasizing
• 5:14
  that.
• 5:14
  Then
• 5:15
  it
• 5:16
  seems
• 5:16
  like
• 5:16
  when
• 5:16
  we
• 5:16
  get
• 5:17
  the
• 5:18
  both
• 5:18
  end
• 5:18
  thinking
• 5:19
  or
• 5:19
  polarity
• 5:19
  thinking,
• 5:20
  it
• 5:20
  seems
• 5:20
  like,
• 5:21
  or
• 5:22
  not
• 5:22
  full
• 5:23
  polarity
• 5:23
  thinking
• 5:23
  yet,
• 5:24
  but
• 5:24
  it
• 5:24
  seems
• 5:25
  like
• 5:25
  that
• 5:25
  can
• 5:26
  be
• 5:26
  overemphasized.
• 5:26
  And
• 5:27
  I
• 5:27
  think
• 5:27
  you
• 5:27
  were
• 5:27
  implying
• 5:28
  that
• 5:28
  binary.
• 5:29
  But
• 5:29
  Barry,
• 5:29
  you
• 5:29
  emphasized
• 5:30
  the
• 5:30
  importance
• 5:31
  of
• 5:32
  the
• 5:32
  inclusion
• 5:33
  of
• 5:33
  the
• 5:33
  either
• 5:34
  or
• 5:34
  and
• 5:34
  Beena,
• 5:35
  is
• 5:35
  that
• 5:35
  a
• 5:35
  later
• 5:36
  stage?
• 5:37
  Absolutely.
• 5:38
  So
• 5:38
  the
• 5:38
  progression
• 5:39
  is,
• 5:39
  first
• 5:39
  you
• 5:40
  only
• 5:40
  think
• 5:40
  of
• 5:40
  one
• 5:41
  or
• 5:41
  the
• 5:41
  other.
• 5:42
  You
• 5:42
  don't
• 5:42
  even
• 5:42
  recognize
• 5:43
  that
• 5:43
  you've
• 5:43
  left
• 5:43
  the
• 5:44
  other
• 5:44
  out.
• 5:45
  Then
• 5:45
  as
• 5:45
  you
• 5:46
  develop,
• 5:46
  you
• 5:47
  recognize
• 5:47
  the
• 5:47
  contrast,
• 5:48
  you
• 5:48
  begin
• 5:49
  to
• 5:49
  include
• 5:49
  it.
• 5:50
  And
• 5:50
  the
• 5:50
  words
• 5:50
  you
• 5:50
  use
• 5:51
  in
• 5:51
  the
• 5:51
  language
• 5:51
  is,
• 5:51
  yeah,
• 5:52
  this,
• 5:52
  but,
• 5:53
  this,
• 5:53
  there's
• 5:54
  a
• 5:54
  but.
• 5:55
  And
• 5:55
  then
• 5:56
  it
• 5:56
  goes
• 5:56
  into
• 5:57
  this
• 5:57
  or
• 5:57
  this.
• 5:58
  Now
• 5:59
  there's
• 5:59
  active
• 5:59
  tension.
• 6:00
  Now
• 6:00
  it
• 6:01
  is
• 6:01
  seen
• 6:01
  as
• 6:01
  competing.
• 6:03
  So
• 6:03
  that's
• 6:03
  either
• 6:03
  or
• 6:04
  sort
• 6:04
  of
• 6:04
  in
• 6:04
  its
• 6:04
  fullness.
• 6:05
  And
• 6:06
  then
• 6:06
  you
• 6:06
  realize,
• 6:06
  well,
• 6:07
  it's
• 6:07
  not
• 6:07
  either
• 6:07
  or,
• 6:08
  it's
• 6:08
  sort
• 6:08
  of
• 6:10
  relative,
• 6:10
  it's
• 6:11
  a
• 6:11
  gray
• 6:11
  area.
• 6:12
  And
• 6:12
  then
• 6:12
  you
• 6:13
  step
• 6:13
  into
• 6:13
  full
• 6:13
  both
• 6:14
  and
• 6:14
  thinking.
• 6:15
  And
• 6:15
  when
• 6:15
  you
• 6:16
  begin
• 6:16
  to
• 6:16
  see
• 6:17
  the
• 6:17
  relief
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  both
• 6:19
  hand
• 6:19
  thinking,
• 6:20
  there
• 6:20
  is
• 6:20
  a
• 6:20
  tendency
• 6:21
  to
• 6:21
  reject
• 6:21
  either
• 6:22
  or
• 6:22
  thinking
• 6:22
  at
• 6:23
  that
• 6:23
  particular
• 6:23
  stage.
• 6:24
  You
• 6:24
  think,
• 6:25
  oh,
• 6:25
  I've
• 6:25
  been
• 6:25
  there,
• 6:25
  done
• 6:26
  that.
• 6:26
  That's
• 6:26
  completely
• 6:27
  dysfunctional.
• 6:28
  We
• 6:28
  just
• 6:28
  need
• 6:29
  to
• 6:29
  do
• 6:29
  both
• 6:29
  and
• 6:29
  thinking.
• 6:30
  And
• 6:30
  then
• 6:30
  you
• 6:30
  get
• 6:30
  to
• 6:31
  the
• 6:31
  downside
• 6:31
  of
• 6:31
  both
• 6:32
  and
• 6:32
  thinking
• 6:32
  until
• 6:33
  the
• 6:33
  downside
• 6:34
  will
• 6:34
  teach
• 6:35
  you.
• 6:35
  Actually,
• 6:35
  it's
• 6:36
  not
• 6:36
  either
• 6:37
  both
• 6:38
  and
• 6:38
  or
• 6:38
  either
• 6:39
  or.
• 6:39
  It's
• 6:39
  both
• 6:40
  both
• 6:41
  and
• 6:41
  and
• 6:41
  either
• 6:41
  or,
• 6:42
  which
• 6:42
  is
• 6:42
  actually
• 6:42
  the
• 6:43
  next
• 6:43
  stage
• 6:43
  of
• 6:44
  development,
• 6:44
  which
• 6:44
  we
• 6:44
  call
• 6:45
  integrative.
• 6:46
  But
• 6:46
  you
• 6:46
  can
• 6:47
  see
• 6:47
  how
• 6:48
  teaching
• 6:48
  and
• 6:49
  practicing
• 6:50
  polarity
• 6:50
  thinking
• 6:50
  at
• 6:51
  every
• 6:51
  stage
• 6:52
  leads
• 6:53
  to
• 6:53
  integration
• 6:54
  of
• 6:54
  whatever
• 6:55
  preferences
• 6:56
  are
• 6:56
  there
• 6:56
  at
• 6:56
  that
• 6:57
  stage.
• 6:57
  And
• 6:57
  also
• 6:58
  helps
• 6:58
  them
• 6:58
  to
• 6:58
  begin
• 6:59
  to
• 6:59
  not
• 7:00
  make
• 7:00
  that
• 7:00
  mistake
• 7:01
  of
• 7:01
  rejecting
• 7:02
  either
• 7:03
  either
• 7:04
  or
• 7:04
  thinking
• 7:05
  or
• 7:06
  both
• 7:06
  hand
• 7:06
  thinking.
• 7:07
  Yeah,
• 7:07
  just
• 7:07
  agreeing
• 7:08
  with
• 7:08
  you,
• 7:08
  Beena.
• 7:08
  One
• 7:08
  of
• 7:08
  the
• 7:09
  things
• 7:09
  we
• 7:09
  say
• 7:09
  is
• 7:09
  that
• 7:09
  the
• 7:10
  rejection
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  either
• 7:11
  or
• 7:11
  thinking
• 7:11
  is
• 7:12
  an
• 7:12
  example
• 7:12
  of
• 7:12
  either
• 7:13
  or
• 7:13
  thinking.
• 7:14
  Right?
• 7:14
  Because
• 7:15
  it's
• 7:16
  like
• 7:16
  once
• 7:16
  I
• 7:16
  see
• 7:16
  both
• 7:17
  and
• 7:17
  think,
• 7:17
  I
• 7:17
  experience
• 7:18
  it
• 7:18
  and
• 7:18
  I'm
• 7:19
  still
• 7:19
  working
• 7:19
  with
• 7:19
  an
• 7:19
  either
• 7:20
  or
• 7:20
  mindset.
• 7:20
  So
• 7:21
  I
• 7:21
  say,
• 7:21
  oh,
• 7:21
  the
• 7:21
  choice
• 7:22
  is
• 7:22
  I
• 7:23
  have
• 7:23
  to
• 7:23
  choose
• 7:23
  now
• 7:24
  both
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  thinking,
• 7:25
  because
• 7:25
  either
• 7:25
  or
• 7:25
  thinking
• 7:25
  is
• 7:26
  no
• 7:26
  good.
• 7:26
  I
• 7:26
  put
• 7:27
  an
• 7:27
  either
• 7:27
  or
• 7:27
  frame
• 7:28
  on
• 7:28
  this
• 7:28
  move.
• 7:29
  A
• 7:29
  couple
• 7:30
  of
• 7:30
  other
• 7:30
  things.
• 7:31
  One
• 7:31
  of
• 7:31
  the
• 7:31
  fundamental
• 7:32
  distinctions
• 7:32
  between
• 7:33
  either
• 7:33
  or
• 7:33
  thinking
• 7:33
  and
• 7:33
  both
• 7:34
  and
• 7:34
  thinking
• 7:35
  is
• 7:35
  that
• 7:35
  both
• 7:36
  and
• 7:36
  thinking
• 7:37
  can
• 7:37
  include
• 7:38
  either
• 7:38
  or
• 7:38
  thinking
• 7:39
  in
• 7:39
  the
• 7:39
  frame.
• 7:40
  The
• 7:41
  reverse
• 7:41
  is
• 7:41
  not
• 7:42
  true.
• 7:42
  There's
• 7:43
  no
• 7:43
  space
• 7:43
  in
• 7:43
  either
• 7:44
  or
• 7:44
  thinking
• 7:44
  for
• 7:45
  both
• 7:45
  and
• 7:45
  thinking.
• 7:46
  There's
• 7:46
  a
• 7:46
  capacity
• 7:47
  enhancement
• 7:47
  here
• 7:48
  that
• 7:48
  allows
• 7:48
  you
• 7:48
  the
• 7:49
  potential
• 7:49
  of
• 7:50
  embracing
• 7:50
  either
• 7:51
  or
• 7:51
  thinking
• 7:51
  and
• 7:52
  both
• 7:52
  and
• 7:52
  thinking
• 7:53
  that
• 7:53
  shows
• 7:53
  up.
• 7:54
  Once
• 7:54
  you
• 7:55
  have
• 7:55
  the
• 7:55
  opportunity
• 7:56
  to
• 7:57
  really
• 7:57
  experience
• 7:58
  and
• 7:58
  appreciate
• 7:58
  both
• 7:59
  and
• 7:59
  thinking,
• 8:00
  it
• 8:00
  allows
• 8:00
  you
• 8:00
  to
• 8:01
  continue
• 8:01
  to
• 8:01
  incorporate,
• 8:02
  you
• 8:03
  know,
• 8:03
  the
• 8:03
  either
• 8:03
  or
• 8:03
  mindset.
• 8:05
  The
• 8:05
  other
• 8:05
  thing
• 8:05
  I
• 8:05
  that
• 8:06
  I
• 8:06
  was
• 8:06
  thinking
• 8:06
  of,
• 8:07
  I
• 8:07
  had
• 8:07
  this
• 8:07
  image
• 8:08
  bean
• 8:08
  as
• 8:08
  you
• 8:08
  were
• 8:08
  talking
• 8:09
  about
• 8:09
  moving
• 8:09
  through
• 8:09
  the
• 8:10
  vertical
• 8:10
  development
• 8:10
  process.
• 8:12
  When
• 8:12
  you
• 8:12
  look
• 8:12
  at
• 8:13
  the
• 8:13
  infinity
• 8:14
  loop
• 8:14
  and
• 8:14
  you
• 8:14
  look
• 8:15
  at
• 8:15
  getting
• 8:15
  both
• 8:16
  upsides
• 8:16
  if
• 8:17
  you
• 8:17
  look
• 8:17
  at
• 8:17
  a
• 8:17
  telephone
• 8:18
  pole,
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  old
• 8:19
  time
• 8:19
  telephone
• 8:19
  poles
• 8:20
  that
• 8:20
  used
• 8:20
  to
• 8:20
  have
• 8:20
  a
• 8:20
  peg
• 8:21
  on
• 8:21
  the
• 8:21
  right
• 8:21
  side
• 8:22
  and
• 8:22
  then
• 8:22
  another
• 8:22
  peg
• 8:23
  up,
• 8:23
  you'd
• 8:23
  step
• 8:24
  on
• 8:24
  that
• 8:24
  to
• 8:24
  climb
• 8:25
  the
• 8:25
  pole.
• 8:25
  You'd
• 8:25
  step
• 8:25
  on
• 8:26
  one
• 8:26
  side
• 8:26
  of
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  pole
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  then
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  other.
• 8:27
  It's
• 8:28
  like
• 8:28
  going
• 8:28
  through
• 8:28
  vertical
• 8:29
  development.
• 8:29
  You're
• 8:30
  stepping
• 8:30
  on
• 8:30
  one
• 8:30
  side,
• 8:30
  which
• 8:31
  is
• 8:31
  one
• 8:31
  pole
• 8:31
  of
• 8:32
  a
• 8:32
  polarity,
• 8:32
  and
• 8:33
  then
• 8:33
  when
• 8:33
  you
• 8:33
  take
• 8:33
  the
• 8:34
  next
• 8:34
  step
• 8:34
  up,
• 8:34
  you're
• 8:34
  focusing
• 8:35
  on
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  other
• 8:35
  pole.
• 8:35
  So
• 8:36
  you're
• 8:36
  kind
• 8:36
  of
• 8:36
  moving
• 8:36
  through.
• 8:37
  You're
• 8:37
  dealing
• 8:38
  with
• 8:38
  different
• 8:38
  polarities,
• 8:39
  but
• 8:39
  you're
• 8:39
  shifting
• 8:39
  poles
• 8:40
  as
• 8:40
  you
• 8:40
  move
• 8:40
  through.
• 8:41
  And
• 8:41
  as
• 8:42
  you
• 8:42
  move
• 8:42
  through,
• 8:42
  you
• 8:42
  become
• 8:43
  more
• 8:43
  and
• 8:44
  more
• 8:44
  at
• 8:45
  ease
• 8:45
  with
• 8:46
  this
• 8:46
  movement.
• 8:47
  You
• 8:47
  know,
• 8:47
  it's
• 8:47
  like.
• 8:48
  And
• 8:48
  it's
• 8:48
  elevating.
• 8:49
  Yeah,
• 8:50
  it's
• 8:50
  elevating,
• 8:51
  yeah.
• 8:51
  And
• 8:51
  when
• 8:51
  you
• 8:51
  embrace
• 8:52
  the
• 8:52
  other,
• 8:52
  you're
• 8:52
  at
• 8:53
  a
• 8:53
  higher
• 8:53
  place.
• 8:54
  Yeah.
• 8:54
  Can
• 8:54
  I
• 8:54
  give
• 8:55
  a
• 8:55
  historical
• 8:55
  example
• 8:56
  of
• 8:56
  that?
• 8:56
  I
• 8:56
  keep
• 8:56
  on
• 8:57
  working
• 8:57
  these
• 8:57
  polarities
• 8:58
  out,
• 8:58
  and
• 8:58
  I'm
• 8:58
  going
• 8:58
  back
• 8:59
  to
• 8:59
  the
• 8:59
  ancient
• 8:59
  Greeks
• 9:00
  and
• 9:00
  Athens,
• 9:01
  5th
• 9:01
  century.
• 9:02
  Around
• 9:02
  that
• 9:02
  time,
• 9:03
  they
• 9:03
  were
• 9:03
  really
• 9:04
  working
• 9:04
  with
• 9:04
  the
• 9:04
  idea
• 9:05
  of
• 9:05
  tyranny
• 9:06
  and
• 9:06
  democracy,
• 9:07
  you
• 9:07
  know,
• 9:08
  and
• 9:08
  trying
• 9:08
  to
• 9:08
  put
• 9:08
  that
• 9:09
  together.
• 9:09
  They
• 9:09
  came
• 9:09
  all
• 9:10
  kinds
• 9:10
  of.
• 9:10
  And
• 9:10
  obviously
• 9:11
  when
• 9:11
  you
• 9:11
  have
• 9:12
  a
• 9:12
  tyrant
• 9:12
  English
• 9:12
  tell
• 9:13
  you
• 9:13
  what
• 9:13
  to
• 9:13
  do,
• 9:13
  address
• 9:13
  the
• 9:13
  problems,
• 9:14
  get
• 9:14
  right
• 9:14
  to
• 9:14
  the
• 9:14
  point,
• 9:15
  make
• 9:15
  judgments,
• 9:15
  et
• 9:16
  cetera,
• 9:16
  and
• 9:17
  then
• 9:17
  you
• 9:17
  give
• 9:17
  the
• 9:17
  power
• 9:18
  to
• 9:18
  the
• 9:18
  people.
• 9:19
  It
• 9:19
  can
• 9:19
  turn
• 9:20
  into
• 9:20
  mobocracy.
• 9:21
  You
• 9:21
  can
• 9:21
  start
• 9:21
  lynching
• 9:22
  people.
• 9:22
  You
• 9:22
  know,
• 9:22
  just
• 9:22
  spontaneous
• 9:23
  insanity
• 9:24
  of
• 9:24
  the
• 9:24
  mob
• 9:24
  getting
• 9:25
  together.
• 9:25
  So
• 9:26
  they,
• 9:26
  they
• 9:26
  did
• 9:26
  things
• 9:26
  like,
• 9:27
  well,
• 9:27
  we'll
• 9:27
  have
• 9:27
  two
• 9:27
  rulers
• 9:28
  and
• 9:28
  then
• 9:29
  an
• 9:29
  only
• 9:29
  rule
• 9:29
  for
• 9:30
  three
• 9:30
  years,
• 9:31
  and
• 9:31
  then
• 9:31
  we
• 9:31
  changed
• 9:32
  the
• 9:32
  two.
• 9:32
  So
• 9:32
  they
• 9:32
  were
• 9:33
  trying
• 9:33
  to
• 9:33
  find
• 9:33
  those
• 9:33
  polarities.
• 9:34
  And
• 9:35
  I
• 9:35
  would
• 9:35
  venture
• 9:35
  to
• 9:36
  say
• 9:36
  that
• 9:36
  we're
• 9:36
  still
• 9:36
  struggling
• 9:37
  in
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  United
• 9:38
  States
• 9:38
  with
• 9:38
  the
• 9:38
  same
• 9:39
  thing
• 9:39
  that
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  ancient
• 9:39
  Greeks
• 9:40
  were
• 9:40
  dealing
• 9:40
  with.
• 9:41
  Yes.
• 9:42
  Yeah.
• 9:42
  And
• 9:42
  one
• 9:43
  way
• 9:43
  to
• 9:43
  name
• 9:43
  that
• 9:44
  polarity
• 9:44
  is
• 9:44
  provide
• 9:45
  direction
• 9:46
  and
• 9:46
  encourage
• 9:47
  participation.
• 9:48
  So
• 9:49
  you
• 9:49
  need,
• 9:49
  you
• 9:49
  know,
• 9:50
  the
• 9:50
  executive
• 9:51
  function
• 9:51
  is
• 9:52
  providing
• 9:52
  direction
• 9:53
  and
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  legislative
• 9:55
  function
• 9:56
  within
• 9:56
  our
• 9:56
  own
• 9:56
  democracy
• 9:57
  is
• 9:58
  encouraging
• 9:58
  participation.
• 9:59
  So
• 10:00
  how
• 10:00
  do
• 10:00
  you
• 10:00
  both
• 10:00
  provide
• 10:01
  direction
• 10:01
  and
• 10:02
  engage
• 10:03
  participation?
• 10:03
  And
• 10:04
  that's
• 10:04
  the
• 10:04
  fundamental
• 10:05
  question.
• 10:05
  And
• 10:06
  what
• 10:06
  happens
• 10:06
  is
• 10:07
  when
• 10:07
  you're
• 10:07
  in
• 10:08
  a
• 10:08
  crisis,
• 10:09
  the
• 10:09
  shift,
• 10:09
  the
• 10:10
  natural
• 10:10
  shift
• 10:10
  is
• 10:10
  so
• 10:11
  when
• 10:11
  there's
• 10:11
  a
• 10:11
  fire,
• 10:12
  you
• 10:12
  don't
• 10:12
  sit
• 10:12
  around
• 10:12
  and
• 10:13
  discuss,
• 10:13
  what
• 10:13
  do
• 10:13
  we
• 10:13
  do?
• 10:14
  You
• 10:14
  look
• 10:14
  to
• 10:14
  the
• 10:14
  fire
• 10:15
  chief
• 10:15
  or
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  people
• 10:16
  who
• 10:16
  know
• 10:16
  about
• 10:16
  how
• 10:16
  to
• 10:16
  deal
• 10:17
  with
• 10:17
  fires,
• 10:17
  and
• 10:18
  they
• 10:18
  provide
• 10:18
  the
• 10:18
  direction.
• 10:19
  You
• 10:19
  know,
• 10:19
  this
• 10:20
  is
• 10:20
  what
• 10:20
  you
• 10:20
  do.
• 10:21
  You
• 10:21
  don't
• 10:21
  have
• 10:21
  a
• 10:22
  meeting
• 10:22
  and
• 10:22
  talk
• 10:22
  about
• 10:22
  how
• 10:23
  we're
• 10:23
  going
• 10:23
  to
• 10:23
  work
• 10:23
  this
• 10:23
  out.
• 10:24
  You
• 10:24
  do
• 10:24
  what
• 10:24
  you
• 10:24
  got
• 10:24
  to
• 10:24
  do.
• 10:25
  Exactly.
• 10:25
  Because
• 10:26
  the
• 10:26
  situation
• 10:26
  requires
• 10:27
  that
• 10:27
  executive
• 10:28
  directive
• 10:29
  function.
• 10:29
  You
• 10:29
  it.
• 10:30
  Now,
• 10:31
  if
• 10:31
  you
• 10:32
  wanted
• 10:32
  to
• 10:32
  hold
• 10:32
  on
• 10:33
  to
• 10:33
  that
• 10:33
  directive
• 10:34
  function
• 10:35
  and
• 10:35
  maintain
• 10:35
  your,
• 10:36
  if
• 10:36
  you
• 10:37
  will,
• 10:37
  the
• 10:37
  strong
• 10:38
  direction
• 10:38
  side
• 10:39
  and.
• 10:39
  And
• 10:39
  minimize
• 10:40
  the
• 10:40
  participation.
• 10:41
  One
• 10:42
  of
• 10:42
  the
• 10:42
  things
• 10:42
  you
• 10:42
  could
• 10:42
  do
• 10:42
  as
• 10:42
  a
• 10:43
  fire
• 10:43
  chief
• 10:43
  is
• 10:43
  pay
• 10:44
  somebody
• 10:44
  to
• 10:44
  start
• 10:44
  fires.
• 10:45
  So
• 10:46
  now
• 10:46
  you
• 10:46
  are
• 10:46
  building
• 10:47
  in
• 10:47
  a
• 10:47
  system
• 10:48
  that
• 10:48
  you
• 10:48
  always
• 10:49
  need
• 10:49
  the
• 10:49
  message
• 10:50
  that
• 10:50
  we're
• 10:50
  in
• 10:50
  significant
• 10:51
  trouble,
• 10:51
  and
• 10:51
  only
• 10:52
  I,
• 10:52
  the
• 10:52
  fire
• 10:53
  chief,
• 10:53
  knows
• 10:54
  how
• 10:54
  to
• 10:54
  take
• 10:54
  care
• 10:54
  of
• 10:54
  it.
• 10:55
  So
• 10:55
  keep
• 10:55
  looking
• 10:55
  to
• 10:55
  me.
• 10:56
  So
• 10:56
  if
• 10:56
  you
• 10:56
  can
• 10:57
  create
• 10:57
  the
• 10:58
  sense
• 10:58
  of
• 10:59
  significant
• 10:59
  urgency
• 11:00
  and
• 11:00
  distress,
• 11:02
  it
• 11:02
  causes
• 11:02
  people
• 11:03
  to
• 11:03
  look
• 11:03
  to
• 11:04
  that
• 11:04
  executive
• 11:05
  function
• 11:05
  and
• 11:05
  a
• 11:05
  leader
• 11:06
  emerges
• 11:06
  and
• 11:07
  how
• 11:07
  do
• 11:07
  they
• 11:07
  hold
• 11:07
  onto
• 11:08
  it?
• 11:08
  They
• 11:08
  need
• 11:09
  to
• 11:09
  continue
• 11:09
  to
• 11:10
  have
• 11:10
  some
• 11:11
  kind
• 11:11
  of
• 11:11
  a
• 11:11
  sense
• 11:12
  of
• 11:12
  crisis
• 11:12
  going
• 11:13
  on
• 11:13
  to
• 11:13
  which
• 11:14
  they
• 11:14
  are
• 11:14
  the
• 11:14
  answer.
• 11:15
  They
• 11:15
  need
• 11:16
  to
• 11:16
  say
• 11:16
  that.
• 11:16
  That
• 11:16
  we're
• 11:17
  in
• 11:17
  a
• 11:17
  state
• 11:17
  of
• 11:17
  war.
• 11:17
  Yeah,
• 11:18
  it
• 11:18
  doesn't
• 11:19
  apply
• 11:19
  now
• 11:19
  because
• 11:19
  this
• 11:19
  is
• 11:20
  an
• 11:20
  emergency
• 11:20
  situation.
• 11:21
  So
• 11:21
  you
• 11:21
  find
• 11:21
  an
• 11:21
  enemy
• 11:22
  and
• 11:22
  you
• 11:22
  get
• 11:22
  everybody
• 11:23
  fired
• 11:23
  up
• 11:23
  about
• 11:23
  it.
• 11:24
  And
• 11:24
  I
• 11:24
  just
• 11:24
  have
• 11:24
  to
• 11:24
  take
• 11:24
  over
• 11:25
  because
• 11:25
  I'm
• 11:25
  the
• 11:25
  strongman
• 11:26
  and
• 11:27
  that
• 11:27
  other
• 11:27
  stuff,
• 11:27
  it
• 11:27
  just
• 11:28
  stops
• 11:28
  us
• 11:28
  from
• 11:28
  doing
• 11:29
  what
• 11:29
  needs
• 11:29
  to
• 11:29
  be
• 11:29
  done.
• 11:30
  So
• 11:30
  I'm
• 11:30
  going
• 11:30
  to
• 11:30
  do
• 11:31
  it.
• 11:31
  Exactly.
• 11:32
  And
• 11:32
  that's
• 11:32
  a
• 11:32
  very
• 11:33
  natural
• 11:34
  survival
• 11:35
  instinct
• 11:35
  to
• 11:36
  look
• 11:36
  to
• 11:37
  in
• 11:37
  a
• 11:37
  crisis,
• 11:38
  to
• 11:39
  look
• 11:39
  to
• 11:40
  somebody
• 11:41
  or
• 11:41
  some
• 11:41
  small
• 11:41
  group
• 11:42
  who's
• 11:42
  providing
• 11:43
  that
• 11:43
  executive
• 11:44
  function,
• 11:44
  providing
• 11:45
  direction,
• 11:46
  and
• 11:47
  that's
• 11:47
  what
• 11:47
  feeds
• 11:48
  dictatorships
• 11:49
  and
• 11:49
  what
• 11:49
  sustains
• 11:50
  them.
• 11:51
  And
• 11:51
  you
• 11:51
  also,
• 11:51
  then
• 11:52
  you
• 11:52
  need
• 11:52
  somebody
• 11:53
  to
• 11:53
  blame
• 11:53
  the
• 11:54
  enemy
• 11:54
  for
• 11:55
  whom
• 11:55
  you
• 11:55
  are
• 11:55
  the
• 11:56
  one
• 11:56
  that's
• 11:56
  saving
• 11:56
  them
• 11:56
  from
• 11:57
  this
• 11:57
  enemy,
• 11:57
  whatever
• 11:58
  that
• 11:58
  is,
• 11:59
  certainly
• 11:59
  clarifies.
• 12:00
  A
• 12:00
  lot
• 12:00
  of
• 12:00
  what's
• 12:01
  going
• 12:01
  on
• 12:01
  right
• 12:01
  now.
• 12:03
  Yeah,
• 12:04
  I
• 12:04
  think
• 12:04
  so.
• 12:05
  And
• 12:05
  the
• 12:06
  question
• 12:06
  is,
• 12:06
  how
• 12:07
  do
• 12:07
  we
• 12:07
  both
• 12:08
  respect
• 12:08
  the
• 12:09
  need
• 12:09
  for
• 12:09
  direction
• 12:10
  and
• 12:11
  reinforce
• 12:12
  participation?
• 12:12
  So
• 12:13
  right
• 12:13
  now
• 12:14
  there
• 12:14
  was
• 12:14
  some
• 12:15
  wisdom
• 12:15
  in
• 12:15
  the
• 12:15
  creating
• 12:16
  of,
• 12:17
  you
• 12:17
  know,
• 12:17
  the
• 12:17
  balance
• 12:18
  of
• 12:18
  power,
• 12:18
  if
• 12:18
  you
• 12:18
  will.
• 12:19
  The
• 12:19
  ability
• 12:20
  to
• 12:20
  claim
• 12:20
  power
• 12:20
  and
• 12:20
  share
• 12:21
  power
• 12:21
  is
• 12:21
  a
• 12:21
  fundamental
• 12:22
  polarity.
• 12:23
  And
• 12:23
  so
• 12:23
  it's
• 12:23
  like,
• 12:23
  well,
• 12:24
  we
• 12:24
  need
• 12:24
  to
• 12:24
  distribute
• 12:25
  that
• 12:25
  power
• 12:25
  somehow.
• 12:26
  So
• 12:26
  let's
• 12:27
  have
• 12:27
  an
• 12:27
  executive
• 12:27
  function.
• 12:28
  We
• 12:28
  need
• 12:28
  that
• 12:29
  direction.
• 12:29
  And
• 12:30
  how
• 12:30
  about
• 12:30
  this
• 12:30
  participation
• 12:31
  side?
• 12:31
  While
• 12:32
  we
• 12:32
  create
• 12:32
  a
• 12:32
  legislature,
• 12:33
  you
• 12:33
  know,
• 12:33
  we
• 12:33
  create
• 12:33
  house
• 12:34
  and
• 12:34
  ascent,
• 12:34
  we
• 12:34
  create
• 12:34
  congress.
• 12:35
  That's
• 12:36
  the
• 12:36
  participation
• 12:36
  side.
• 12:37
  And
• 12:37
  how
• 12:38
  do
• 12:38
  we
• 12:38
  mediate
• 12:38
  this
• 12:39
  with
• 12:39
  some
• 12:39
  sort
• 12:39
  of
• 12:39
  justice?
• 12:40
  Well,
• 12:41
  we
• 12:41
  have
• 12:41
  a
• 12:41
  justice
• 12:42
  system,
• 12:42
  so
• 12:42
  we
• 12:42
  have
• 12:42
  this
• 12:43
  with
• 12:44
  delegated
• 12:44
  powers
• 12:45
  that
• 12:45
  are
• 12:45
  shared.
• 12:46
  And
• 12:46
  we
• 12:46
  also
• 12:47
  build
• 12:47
  in
• 12:48
  a
• 12:48
  time
• 12:49
  in
• 12:49
  which
• 12:50
  the
• 12:50
  leadership
• 12:51
  changes.
• 12:52
  And
• 12:52
  rather
• 12:52
  than
• 12:52
  have
• 12:53
  that
• 12:53
  leadership
• 12:53
  get
• 12:53
  locked
• 12:54
  in,
• 12:54
  what
• 12:55
  we
• 12:55
  say
• 12:55
  is,
• 12:55
  no,
• 12:55
  no,
• 12:56
  we're
• 12:56
  going
• 12:56
  to
• 12:56
  be
• 12:56
  able
• 12:56
  to
• 12:56
  change
• 12:57
  that
• 12:57
  over
• 12:57
  time.
• 12:57
  So
• 12:58
  that
• 12:58
  executive
• 12:58
  function,
• 12:59
  we
• 12:59
  change
• 12:59
  within
• 13:00
  it.
• 13:00
  So
• 13:00
  it
• 13:00
  doesn't
• 13:01
  get.
• 13:01
  We
• 13:01
  don't
• 13:01
  have
• 13:02
  a
• 13:02
  king,
• 13:02
  we
• 13:03
  don't
• 13:03
  have
• 13:03
  an
• 13:04
  executive
• 13:04
  who
• 13:04
  stays
• 13:05
  in
• 13:05
  power
• 13:05
  all
• 13:05
  the
• 13:05
  time,
• 13:06
  because
• 13:07
  we
• 13:07
  don't
• 13:07
  Trust
• 13:07
  that
• 13:08
  arrangement
• 13:09
  to
• 13:09
  in
• 13:09
  that
• 13:10
  balance
• 13:10
  of
• 13:10
  power.
• 13:10
  And
• 13:11
  right
• 13:11
  now
• 13:12
  we
• 13:12
  have
• 13:12
  a
• 13:13
  very
• 13:13
  strong
• 13:14
  executive
• 13:16
  function
• 13:16
  in
• 13:16
  the
• 13:16
  administration
• 13:17
  that
• 13:18
  is
• 13:18
  challenging
• 13:19
  both
• 13:19
  the
• 13:19
  judicial
• 13:20
  branch
• 13:20
  and
• 13:20
  the
• 13:21
  legislative
• 13:21
  branch
• 13:22
  in
• 13:22
  terms
• 13:22
  of
• 13:23
  their
• 13:23
  assertion
• 13:24
  of
• 13:24
  power.
• 13:25
  So
• 13:25
  the
• 13:25
  executive
• 13:25
  branch
• 13:26
  is
• 13:26
  claiming
• 13:26
  a
• 13:27
  lot
• 13:27
  of
• 13:27
  power
• 13:27
  right
• 13:27
  now.
• 13:28
  And
• 13:28
  the
• 13:28
  question
• 13:29
  is,
• 13:29
  will
• 13:29
  the
• 13:29
  legislative
• 13:30
  branch
• 13:31
  be
• 13:31
  able
• 13:31
  to
• 13:31
  claim
• 13:32
  its
• 13:32
  own
• 13:32
  power
• 13:33
  and
• 13:33
  push
• 13:33
  back
• 13:33
  and
• 13:33
  say,
• 13:34
  wait
• 13:34
  a
• 13:34
  minute,
• 13:34
  you
• 13:34
  know,
• 13:35
  that's
• 13:35
  not
• 13:35
  a
• 13:35
  decision
• 13:36
  that
• 13:36
  the
• 13:36
  executive
• 13:37
  branch
• 13:37
  makes,
• 13:37
  that's
• 13:38
  a
• 13:38
  decision
• 13:38
  that
• 13:38
  Congress
• 13:39
  makes.
• 13:39
  We'll
• 13:39
  make
• 13:40
  those
• 13:40
  decisions,
• 13:40
  not
• 13:41
  you.
• 13:41
  Or
• 13:42
  the
• 13:42
  judicial
• 13:43
  branch
• 13:43
  says,
• 13:43
  wait
• 13:43
  a
• 13:43
  minute,
• 13:44
  you
• 13:44
  know,
• 13:44
  that
• 13:44
  is
• 13:44
  a
• 13:45
  violation
• 13:45
  of
• 13:46
  the
• 13:46
  law
• 13:46
  as
• 13:46
  we
• 13:47
  understand
• 13:47
  it.
• 13:48
  So
• 13:48
  you're
• 13:48
  not
• 13:48
  going
• 13:48
  to
• 13:48
  be
• 13:48
  able
• 13:49
  to
• 13:49
  do
• 13:49
  that.
• 13:50
  So
• 13:50
  the
• 13:51
  question
• 13:51
  is,
• 13:51
  will
• 13:52
  we
• 13:52
  be
• 13:52
  able
• 13:52
  to
• 13:54
  rebalance,
• 13:55
  if
• 13:55
  you
• 13:55
  will,
• 13:56
  that
• 13:56
  power
• 13:57
  tension
• 13:58
  between
• 13:58
  these
• 13:59
  three
• 13:59
  branches?
• 14:00
  And
• 14:00
  we've
• 14:00
  got
• 14:00
  an
• 14:00
  opportunity
• 14:01
  in
• 14:01
  the
• 14:01
  midterm
• 14:01
  elections
• 14:02
  to
• 14:02
  possibly
• 14:03
  change
• 14:03
  that
• 14:04
  or
• 14:04
  not.
• 14:06
  Well,
• 14:06
  that's
• 14:06
  bringing
• 14:06
  it
• 14:07
  back
• 14:07
  home,
• 14:07
  isn't
• 14:07
  it?
• 14:08
  Well,
• 14:08
  I
• 14:09
  have
• 14:09
  one
• 14:09
  more,
• 14:09
  more
• 14:09
  polarity
• 14:10
  that
• 14:10
  I've
• 14:10
  been
• 14:11
  bouncing
• 14:11
  around
• 14:11
  in
• 14:12
  here.
• 14:12
  In
• 14:12
  spiritual
• 14:13
  practice,
• 14:14
  you
• 14:14
  have
• 14:15
  the
• 14:15
  practice
• 14:15
  of
• 14:16
  stillness,
• 14:17
  emptiness.
• 14:18
  And
• 14:18
  that's
• 14:19
  very
• 14:19
  essential
• 14:19
  in
• 14:19
  all
• 14:20
  these
• 14:20
  different
• 14:20
  traditions.
• 14:21
  And
• 14:21
  however
• 14:21
  they
• 14:22
  state
• 14:22
  that.
• 14:22
  And
• 14:23
  then
• 14:23
  you
• 14:23
  have,
• 14:23
  well,
• 14:23
  what
• 14:24
  do
• 14:24
  you
• 14:24
  do?
• 14:25
  You
• 14:25
  know,
• 14:25
  you
• 14:25
  take
• 14:26
  this
• 14:26
  wisdom
• 14:26
  from
• 14:26
  the
• 14:27
  emptiness
• 14:27
  and
• 14:27
  then
• 14:28
  it
• 14:28
  has
• 14:28
  to
• 14:28
  become
• 14:28
  action
• 14:29
  in
• 14:29
  the
• 14:29
  world.
• 14:29
  So
• 14:30
  if
• 14:30
  you
• 14:30
  just
• 14:30
  sit
• 14:30
  around
• 14:30
  and
• 14:30
  do
• 14:31
  emptiness
• 14:31
  all
• 14:31
  the
• 14:31
  time,
• 14:31
  well,
• 14:32
  that's
• 14:32
  okay.
• 14:32
  But
• 14:33
  what
• 14:33
  does
• 14:33
  it
• 14:33
  lack?
• 14:34
  Well,
• 14:34
  it
• 14:34
  lacks
• 14:35
  creativity
• 14:36
  and
• 14:36
  going
• 14:36
  out
• 14:36
  and
• 14:37
  doing
• 14:37
  good
• 14:37
  virtuous
• 14:38
  things
• 14:38
  in
• 14:38
  the
• 14:39
  world.
• 14:39
  So,
• 14:39
  you
• 14:40
  know,
• 14:40
  how
• 14:40
  do
• 14:41
  we
• 14:41
  balance
• 14:41
  that?
• 14:42
  Yeah,
• 14:43
  I
• 14:43
  think
• 14:43
  that's
• 14:43
  a
• 14:44
  wonderful
• 14:45
  polarity.
• 14:45
  It's
• 14:46
  some
• 14:46
  version
• 14:47
  of,
• 14:47
  again,
• 14:48
  just
• 14:48
  with
• 14:48
  all
• 14:49
  polarities,
• 14:49
  there's
• 14:50
  a
• 14:50
  lot
• 14:50
  of
• 14:50
  different
• 14:51
  ways
• 14:51
  to
• 14:52
  name
• 14:52
  the
• 14:52
  poles.
• 14:53
  There's
• 14:54
  not
• 14:54
  sort
• 14:54
  of
• 14:54
  a
• 14:54
  right
• 14:54
  way,
• 14:55
  but
• 14:55
  there's
• 14:55
  like
• 14:56
  just
• 14:56
  a
• 14:56
  cluster
• 14:56
  of.
• 14:57
  Thematically,
• 14:57
  this
• 14:58
  is
• 14:58
  what
• 14:58
  we're
• 14:58
  talking
• 14:58
  about
• 14:59
  here.
• 14:59
  This
• 14:59
  is
• 14:59
  what
• 14:59
  we're
• 14:59
  talking
• 15:00
  about
• 15:00
  here.
• 15:00
  And
• 15:00
  in
• 15:01
  this
• 15:01
  one,
• 15:02
  one
• 15:02
  of
• 15:02
  the
• 15:02
  names
• 15:03
  I
• 15:03
  would
• 15:03
  use
• 15:04
  is
• 15:04
  doing
• 15:05
  and
• 15:05
  being.
• 15:06
  So
• 15:06
  how
• 15:06
  do
• 15:06
  we
• 15:06
  just
• 15:07
  let
• 15:07
  ourselves
• 15:07
  be,
• 15:08
  be
• 15:08
  centered,
• 15:09
  be
• 15:09
  peaceful,
• 15:10
  be
• 15:10
  self
• 15:11
  caring
• 15:12
  and
• 15:13
  be
• 15:13
  involved
• 15:13
  in
• 15:14
  doing,
• 15:14
  being
• 15:14
  active
• 15:15
  in
• 15:15
  the
• 15:15
  world,
• 15:16
  making
• 15:16
  our
• 15:16
  contribution.
• 15:17
  So
• 15:17
  it's
• 15:18
  doing
• 15:18
  and
• 15:18
  being.
• 15:19
  And
• 15:20
  in
• 15:20
  Martin
• 15:21
  Buber's
• 15:21
  book,
• 15:22
  you
• 15:22
  know,
• 15:22
  I,
• 15:22
  Thou
• 15:23
  and
• 15:23
  I,
• 15:23
  it's.
• 15:24
  He's
• 15:24
  talking
• 15:24
  about
• 15:25
  this
• 15:25
  fundamental
• 15:26
  dimension
• 15:27
  that
• 15:28
  it's
• 15:28
  at
• 15:28
  the
• 15:28
  transformative
• 15:29
  level
• 15:30
  in
• 15:31
  which
• 15:31
  he
• 15:32
  talks
• 15:32
  about
• 15:32
  the
• 15:32
  world
• 15:32
  of
• 15:33
  I.
• 15:33
  It
• 15:33
  is
• 15:34
  the,
• 15:34
  the
• 15:34
  world
• 15:34
  of
• 15:35
  experience
• 15:36
  in
• 15:36
  which
• 15:36
  I
• 15:36
  experience
• 15:37
  conversation,
• 15:38
  I.
• 15:38
  I
• 15:39
  experience
• 15:39
  you.
• 15:40
  I
• 15:40
  look
• 15:40
  at
• 15:41
  being
• 15:41
  and
• 15:41
  think
• 15:41
  how
• 15:41
  beautiful
• 15:42
  she
• 15:42
  is
• 15:42
  today.
• 15:43
  And
• 15:43
  I
• 15:44
  think
• 15:44
  about
• 15:44
  how
• 15:44
  bright
• 15:45
  she's
• 15:45
  been
• 15:46
  and
• 15:46
  so
• 15:46
  that's
• 15:46
  in
• 15:47
  the
• 15:47
  world
• 15:47
  of
• 15:47
  I
• 15:48
  it,
• 15:48
  I'm
• 15:49
  aware
• 15:49
  of
• 15:50
  other
• 15:50
  things
• 15:50
  and
• 15:50
  I
• 15:51
  can
• 15:51
  celebrate
• 15:51
  them.
• 15:52
  It's
• 15:52
  wonderful.
• 15:54
  In
• 15:54
  the
• 15:54
  world
• 15:54
  of
• 15:55
  I
• 15:55
  Thou,
• 15:56
  I
• 15:56
  am
• 15:58
  in
• 15:59
  a
• 15:59
  space
• 16:00
  of
• 16:01
  universal
• 16:03
  connection,
• 16:04
  interdependence,
• 16:05
  and
• 16:06
  I
• 16:06
  am
• 16:06
  just
• 16:07
  at
• 16:07
  one
• 16:07
  with
• 16:07
  the
• 16:08
  universe.
• 16:09
  And
• 16:10
  there
• 16:10
  is
• 16:11
  no
• 16:11
  differentiation
• 16:12
  between
• 16:12
  me
• 16:13
  and
• 16:13
  Beena.
• 16:14
  The
• 16:15
  differentiation
• 16:15
  just
• 16:16
  disappears.
• 16:17
  And
• 16:17
  he
• 16:17
  talks
• 16:18
  about
• 16:18
  this
• 16:18
  as
• 16:18
  the
• 16:18
  I
• 16:18
  thou
• 16:19
  relationship.
• 16:19
  It's
• 16:19
  subject,
• 16:20
  subject,
• 16:20
  not
• 16:20
  subject
• 16:21
  with
• 16:21
  object.
• 16:22
  Right.
• 16:23
  And
• 16:24
  he
• 16:24
  describes
• 16:25
  this
• 16:25
  oscillation.
• 16:27
  When
• 16:27
  we
• 16:27
  become
• 16:28
  aware
• 16:29
  that
• 16:29
  we
• 16:29
  have
• 16:30
  been
• 16:30
  in
• 16:30
  the
• 16:30
  world
• 16:32
  of
• 16:33
  I
• 16:33
  Thou,
• 16:34
  we
• 16:34
  are
• 16:34
  back
• 16:35
  in
• 16:35
  the
• 16:35
  world
• 16:35
  of
• 16:36
  I
• 16:36
  it,
• 16:36
  of
• 16:36
  experiencing
• 16:37
  it.
• 16:38
  So
• 16:38
  we
• 16:38
  can
• 16:38
  only
• 16:39
  reflect.
• 16:39
  When
• 16:40
  we
• 16:40
  reflect
• 16:40
  on
• 16:40
  the
• 16:41
  experience,
• 16:41
  the
• 16:42
  I
• 16:42
  thou
• 16:42
  experience,
• 16:43
  we
• 16:43
  are.
• 16:43
  We're
• 16:44
  back
• 16:44
  into
• 16:44
  the
• 16:44
  world
• 16:44
  of
• 16:45
  I
• 16:45
  it.
• 16:46
  So
• 16:46
  most
• 16:46
  of
• 16:46
  our
• 16:47
  life
• 16:47
  we
• 16:47
  spend
• 16:48
  in
• 16:48
  the
• 16:48
  world
• 16:48
  of
• 16:48
  I
• 16:49
  it.
• 16:49
  The
• 16:50
  way
• 16:50
  I
• 16:50
  describe
• 16:50
  it
• 16:50
  in
• 16:50
  my
• 16:51
  book
• 16:51
  is
• 16:52
  the
• 16:52
  first
• 16:52
  284
• 16:53
  pages
• 16:54
  are
• 16:54
  in
• 16:54
  the
• 16:54
  I
• 16:54
  it
• 16:54
  world.
• 16:56
  And
• 16:56
  I've
• 16:57
  got
• 16:57
  three
• 16:57
  pages
• 16:57
  and
• 16:58
  that
• 16:58
  talk
• 16:58
  about
• 16:59
  the
• 16:59
  I
• 16:59
  thou
• 17:00
  and
• 17:00
  dimension
• 17:01
  and
• 17:01
  I
• 17:02
  it.
• 17:02
  And
• 17:02
  that's
• 17:02
  the
• 17:02
  last
• 17:02
  three
• 17:03
  pages.
• 17:03
  And
• 17:03
  it's
• 17:04
  my
• 17:04
  very
• 17:05
  simple
• 17:05
  effort
• 17:06
  to
• 17:06
  create
• 17:06
  some
• 17:07
  counterbalance
• 17:07
  to
• 17:08
  the
• 17:08
  first
• 17:08
  284
• 17:09
  pages.
• 17:10
  Because
• 17:10
  talking
• 17:10
  about
• 17:11
  it,
• 17:11
  you're
• 17:11
  not
• 17:11
  in
• 17:12
  it
• 17:12
  anymore.
• 17:14
  And
• 17:14
  this
• 17:14
  is
• 17:14
  fundamental,
• 17:15
  by
• 17:15
  the
• 17:15
  way.
• 17:16
  Buber
• 17:16
  says
• 17:17
  it's
• 17:18
  the
• 17:18
  fundamental
• 17:18
  dimension
• 17:19
  of
• 17:19
  being
• 17:19
  human
• 17:20
  to
• 17:20
  have
• 17:21
  been
• 17:21
  in
• 17:21
  that
• 17:22
  I
• 17:22
  thou
• 17:23
  space
• 17:24
  and
• 17:25
  be
• 17:25
  able
• 17:25
  to
• 17:25
  return.
• 17:26
  And
• 17:27
  the
• 17:27
  oscillation
• 17:27
  back
• 17:28
  and
• 17:28
  forth
• 17:28
  between
• 17:29
  those
• 17:29
  dimensions
• 17:30
  of
• 17:31
  absolute
• 17:31
  unity,
• 17:32
  on
• 17:32
  the
• 17:32
  one
• 17:32
  hand,
• 17:33
  and
• 17:33
  then
• 17:34
  being
• 17:34
  in
• 17:34
  the
• 17:35
  world
• 17:35
  in
• 17:35
  which
• 17:35
  we're
• 17:36
  differentiated.
• 17:37
  Let's
• 17:37
  see,
• 17:37
  there
• 17:38
  are
• 17:38
  two.
• 17:39
  Maybe
• 17:39
  another
• 17:40
  angle
• 17:40
  to
• 17:40
  your
• 17:40
  question,
• 17:41
  that
• 17:41
  I
• 17:41
  can
• 17:41
  bring,
• 17:42
  John,
• 17:42
  to
• 17:43
  the
• 17:43
  stillness,
• 17:44
  to
• 17:44
  the
• 17:44
  meditation,
• 17:45
  stillness
• 17:45
  and
• 17:46
  action
• 17:46
  in
• 17:46
  the
• 17:46
  world.
• 17:47
  So
• 17:48
  one
• 17:48
  thing
• 17:48
  is
• 17:48
  to
• 17:49
  see
• 17:49
  how
• 17:49
  each
• 17:50
  informs
• 17:50
  the
• 17:50
  other.
• 17:51
  The
• 17:52
  more
• 17:52
  I'm
• 17:52
  able
• 17:52
  to
• 17:53
  be
• 17:53
  still
• 17:53
  and
• 17:54
  reflect,
• 17:54
  the
• 17:55
  more
• 17:55
  my
• 17:55
  action
• 17:55
  becomes
• 17:56
  informed.
• 17:57
  And
• 17:58
  then
• 17:58
  the
• 17:58
  more
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  act
• 17:59
  and
• 18:00
  experience,
• 18:02
  then
• 18:02
  the
• 18:03
  more
• 18:03
  I
• 18:03
  can
• 18:04
  actually
• 18:04
  use
• 18:05
  stillness
• 18:06
  in
• 18:06
  a
• 18:07
  more
• 18:08
  powerful
• 18:08
  way.
• 18:09
  And
• 18:10
  another
• 18:11
  aspect
• 18:12
  of
• 18:12
  this
• 18:12
  is
• 18:12
  how
• 18:13
  am
• 18:13
  I
• 18:13
  acting
• 18:13
  in
• 18:14
  the
• 18:14
  world
• 18:14
  itself?
• 18:15
  How
• 18:16
  is
• 18:16
  my
• 18:16
  action?
• 18:17
  How
• 18:18
  integrated
• 18:18
  is
• 18:19
  my
• 18:19
  action,
• 18:19
  which
• 18:19
  is
• 18:20
  another
• 18:20
  layer.
• 18:20
  So
• 18:21
  you
• 18:21
  see
• 18:21
  that
• 18:21
  polarities
• 18:22
  can
• 18:22
  nest
• 18:22
  and
• 18:22
  they
• 18:23
  stack.
• 18:24
  So
• 18:24
  if
• 18:25
  you're
• 18:25
  willing,
• 18:25
  I
• 18:26
  can
• 18:26
  offer
• 18:26
  a
• 18:26
  quick
• 18:27
  reflection.
• 18:28
  And
• 18:28
  I
• 18:28
  want
• 18:29
  to
• 18:29
  thank
• 18:29
  my
• 18:29
  colleague
• 18:30
  at
• 18:30
  ciis,
• 18:31
  Sanjay
• 18:33
  Manchanda,
• 18:33
  for
• 18:33
  this
• 18:33
  little
• 18:34
  exercise
• 18:34
  which
• 18:35
  really
• 18:35
  takes
• 18:36
  you
• 18:36
  through
• 18:37
  the
• 18:37
  Tetralemma.
• 18:38
  Not
• 18:38
  just
• 18:38
  a
• 18:39
  dilemma,
• 18:39
  but
• 18:40
  the
• 18:40
  tetralemma.
• 18:41
  So
• 18:42
  it's
• 18:42
  literally
• 18:42
  30
• 18:43
  seconds
• 18:43
  each.
• 18:43
  So
• 18:44
  we'll
• 18:44
  just
• 18:45
  start
• 18:45
  with
• 18:46
  this
• 18:46
  belief
• 18:47
  and
• 18:48
  living
• 18:48
  into
• 18:49
  this
• 18:49
  belief
• 18:49
  that
• 18:49
  I
• 18:50
  am
• 18:50
  inadequate.
• 18:52
  Just
• 18:52
  take
• 18:52
  a
• 18:52
  moment
• 18:53
  and
• 18:53
  to
• 18:53
  see
• 18:53
  how
• 18:54
  is
• 18:54
  that
• 18:54
  true
• 18:55
  and
• 18:56
  how
• 18:56
  Can
• 18:56
  I
• 18:57
  acknowledge
• 18:57
  that
• 18:57
  I
• 18:58
  am
• 18:58
  inadequate?
• 18:59
  What's
• 18:59
  true
• 18:59
  about
• 19:00
  that?
• 19:00
  So
• 19:00
  ten
• 19:01
  seconds.
• 19:03
  I'm
• 19:03
  inadequate.
• 19:22
  And
• 19:23
  I
• 19:23
  think
• 19:23
  we
• 19:23
  can
• 19:23
  all
• 19:24
  connect
• 19:24
  to
• 19:24
  that.
• 19:27
  That
• 19:27
  wasn't
• 19:27
  hard.
• 19:28
  Yes.
• 19:30
  Yeah.
• 19:31
  Now
• 19:31
  I'm
• 19:31
  asking
• 19:32
  you,
• 19:32
  inviting
• 19:33
  you
• 19:33
  to
• 19:34
  embrace
• 19:35
  the
• 19:35
  other
• 19:35
  pole,
• 19:36
  the
• 19:36
  opposite
• 19:37
  belief
• 19:37
  which
• 19:37
  I.
• 19:37
  I
• 19:38
  am
• 19:38
  adequate.
• 19:40
  And
• 19:40
  so
• 19:41
  acknowledging
• 19:42
  the
• 19:42
  ways
• 19:42
  in
• 19:42
  which
• 19:42
  I
• 19:42
  am
• 19:43
  or
• 19:43
  how
• 19:43
  is
• 19:43
  that
• 19:44
  true?
• 19:45
  That
• 19:45
  aspect
• 19:46
  of
• 19:46
  my
• 19:46
  identity.
• 19:46
  How
• 19:47
  is
• 19:47
  that
• 19:47
  true?
• 19:47
  I
• 19:47
  am
• 19:48
  adequate.
• 20:03
  And
• 20:04
  now
• 20:04
  a
• 20:04
  higher
• 20:05
  level
• 20:05
  embrace.
• 20:07
  I
• 20:07
  am
• 20:08
  inadequate
• 20:09
  and
• 20:09
  I'm
• 20:09
  adequate.
• 20:10
  Embracing
• 20:11
  both.
• 20:11
  Including
• 20:11
  both.
• 20:31
  And
• 20:31
  the
• 20:31
  last
• 20:32
  one.
• 20:32
  Am
• 20:32
  neither
• 20:33
  adequate
• 20:34
  nor
• 20:34
  inadequate.
• 20:36
  I'm
• 20:36
  not
• 20:36
  limiting
• 20:37
  my
• 20:37
  identity
• 20:38
  to
• 20:38
  either
• 20:38
  being
• 20:39
  adequate
• 20:39
  or
• 20:39
  inadequate.
• 20:40
  I'm
• 20:40
  neither
• 20:41
  adequate
• 20:41
  nor
• 20:42
  inadequate.
• 20:59
  And
• 20:59
  the
• 20:59
  last
• 20:59
  just
• 21:01
  saying
• 21:01
  I
• 21:01
  am
• 21:02
  three
• 21:02
  times
• 21:03
  just
• 21:04
  I
• 21:04
  am.
• 21:19
  So
• 21:19
  where
• 21:19
  my
• 21:20
  action
• 21:20
  comes
• 21:20
  from,
• 21:20
  which
• 21:21
  of
• 21:21
  these
• 21:21
  you
• 21:22
  know,
• 21:22
  does
• 21:22
  it
• 21:22
  come
• 21:22
  from
• 21:22
  feeling
• 21:23
  adequate?
• 21:24
  Does
• 21:24
  it
• 21:24
  come
• 21:24
  from
• 21:24
  feeling
• 21:25
  inadequate?
• 21:25
  Does
• 21:25
  it
• 21:25
  come
• 21:26
  from
• 21:26
  this
• 21:26
  larger
• 21:27
  embrace?
• 21:28
  And
• 21:28
  stillness
• 21:29
  can
• 21:29
  teach
• 21:29
  that
• 21:30
  good
• 21:31
  experience?
• 21:31
  And
• 21:31
  I
• 21:32
  hadn't
• 21:32
  any
• 21:32
  problems
• 21:33
  with
• 21:33
  how
• 21:33
  I'm
• 21:34
  inadequate
• 21:34
  and
• 21:34
  I
• 21:34
  didn't
• 21:34
  have
• 21:35
  any.
• 21:35
  A
• 21:35
  problem's
• 21:36
  coming
• 21:36
  up
• 21:36
  with
• 21:36
  things
• 21:36
  that
• 21:37
  I
• 21:37
  can
• 21:37
  do
• 21:37
  well
• 21:37
  or
• 21:37
  I'm
• 21:38
  seem
• 21:38
  to
• 21:38
  be
• 21:38
  used
• 21:38
  by
• 21:38
  a
• 21:39
  higher
• 21:39
  power
• 21:39
  or
• 21:39
  bring
• 21:40
  some
• 21:40
  goodness
• 21:40
  in
• 21:41
  the
• 21:41
  world.
• 21:41
  But
• 21:42
  when
• 21:42
  you
• 21:42
  said
• 21:42
  okay,
• 21:42
  put
• 21:43
  them
• 21:43
  together
• 21:44
  before
• 21:44
  you
• 21:44
  even
• 21:44
  said
• 21:44
  it
• 21:45
  came
• 21:45
  out
• 21:45
  I
• 21:45
  am,
• 21:46
  that
• 21:46
  was
• 21:46
  the
• 21:47
  solution.
• 21:47
  That
• 21:47
  feels
• 21:48
  very,
• 21:48
  very
• 21:49
  clear.
• 21:49
  Very
• 21:49
  good.
• 21:50
  It
• 21:50
  feels
• 21:50
  like
• 21:51
  a
• 21:51
  nice
• 21:51
  embrace
• 21:52
  of
• 21:53
  polarities.
• 21:54
  And
• 21:56
  what
• 21:56
  about
• 21:57
  Veena,
• 21:57
  the
• 21:57
  I
• 21:58
  am
• 21:58
  not.
• 22:00
  That
• 22:00
  is
• 22:00
  a
• 22:00
  more
• 22:01
  fundamental
• 22:02
  polarity
• 22:03
  of
• 22:03
  I
• 22:03
  am
• 22:03
  and
• 22:04
  I
• 22:04
  am
• 22:04
  not.
• 22:04
  That's
• 22:05
  also
• 22:05
  a
• 22:05
  polarity
• 22:06
  that
• 22:06
  to
• 22:07
  see.
• 22:07
  Is
• 22:08
  that
• 22:08
  what
• 22:08
  you
• 22:08
  mean
• 22:09
  being
• 22:09
  a
• 22:09
  non
• 22:09
  being?
• 22:10
  I
• 22:10
  mean
• 22:10
  how
• 22:10
  do
• 22:10
  you
• 22:10
  mean
• 22:11
  I
• 22:11
  am
• 22:11
  not?
• 22:11
  Yeah,
• 22:12
  well,
• 22:12
  I'm
• 22:13
  thinking
• 22:13
  more
• 22:14
  of
• 22:14
  the
• 22:15
  recognition
• 22:16
  that
• 22:16
  the
• 22:17
  very
• 22:17
  assumption
• 22:18
  I
• 22:18
  am
• 22:18
  is
• 22:19
  pretty.
• 22:20
  That's
• 22:21
  a
• 22:21
  big
• 22:21
  assumption.
• 22:22
  Yeah.
• 22:23
  So
• 22:23
  I
• 22:23
  didn't
• 22:23
  do
• 22:24
  the
• 22:24
  last
• 22:24
  one,
• 22:24
  which
• 22:24
  is
• 22:25
  part
• 22:25
  of
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  exercises
• 22:26
  which
• 22:26
  you
• 22:26
  go
• 22:26
  beyond
• 22:27
  the
• 22:27
  I.
• 22:27
  That's
• 22:28
  beyond
• 22:28
  the
• 22:28
  I.
• 22:29
  I
• 22:29
  just
• 22:29
  didn't
• 22:29
  go
• 22:29
  there
• 22:30
  today.
• 22:30
  But
• 22:31
  yeah,
• 22:32
  can
• 22:32
  I
• 22:32
  say
• 22:32
  at
• 22:33
  a
• 22:33
  very
• 22:33
  fundamental
• 22:34
  level,
• 22:34
  I've
• 22:34
  been
• 22:35
  interested
• 22:35
  in
• 22:35
  decades
• 22:36
  or
• 22:36
  quantum
• 22:37
  physics
• 22:37
  where
• 22:38
  they
• 22:38
  look
• 22:38
  at
• 22:38
  the
• 22:38
  most
• 22:38
  fundamental
• 22:39
  things
• 22:39
  that
• 22:39
  we
• 22:40
  know
• 22:40
  about
• 22:41
  reality.
• 22:42
  And
• 22:42
  in
• 22:42
  that
• 22:42
  quantum
• 22:43
  world
• 22:44
  things
• 22:45
  exist
• 22:45
  and
• 22:45
  then
• 22:45
  they
• 22:46
  don't
• 22:46
  exist.
• 22:47
  They're
• 22:47
  a
• 22:47
  particle
• 22:47
  and
• 22:48
  then
• 22:48
  they
• 22:48
  become
• 22:48
  a
• 22:48
  wave
• 22:49
  depending
• 22:49
  on
• 22:49
  the
• 22:50
  what
• 22:50
  is
• 22:50
  observing
• 22:51
  it.
• 22:51
  And
• 22:52
  it's
• 22:52
  impossible
• 22:53
  to
• 22:53
  have
• 22:54
  a
• 22:54
  pure
• 22:55
  vacuum
• 22:55
  because
• 22:56
  they
• 22:56
  have
• 22:56
  the
• 22:56
  things
• 22:56
  called
• 22:57
  quantum
• 22:57
  phone
• 22:58
  that
• 22:59
  from
• 22:59
  the
• 22:59
  nothingness
• 23:00
  something
• 23:01
  appears.
• 23:01
  And
• 23:02
  so
• 23:02
  if
• 23:02
  there
• 23:02
  wasn't
• 23:03
  this
• 23:03
  nothingness,
• 23:03
  you
• 23:03
  wouldn't
• 23:04
  have
• 23:04
  anythingness.
• 23:05
  And,
• 23:06
  and
• 23:06
  you
• 23:06
  know,
• 23:06
  it's
• 23:07
  like
• 23:07
  back
• 23:07
  and
• 23:07
  forth.
• 23:07
  It's
• 23:08
  just
• 23:08
  built
• 23:08
  into
• 23:08
  the
• 23:09
  pattern
• 23:09
  of,
• 23:09
  of
• 23:09
  the
• 23:10
  way
• 23:10
  things
• 23:10
  Work.
• 23:11
  Yeah.
• 23:12
  And,
• 23:12
  and
• 23:12
  it's,
• 23:12
  it's
• 23:12
  a
• 23:12
  wonderful
• 23:13
  enhanced
• 23:14
  appreciation
• 23:16
  of
• 23:16
  our
• 23:17
  universal
• 23:18
  interdependence.
• 23:19
  You
• 23:19
  know
• 23:19
  what
• 23:19
  I
• 23:19
  mean?
• 23:19
  It's
• 23:19
  like,
• 23:20
  it's
• 23:20
  another
• 23:20
  fun
• 23:21
  sort
• 23:22
  of
• 23:22
  awareness
• 23:23
  of.
• 23:24
  And
• 23:24
  I
• 23:24
  hadn't
• 23:25
  heard
• 23:25
  about
• 23:25
  what
• 23:25
  you
• 23:26
  just
• 23:26
  described,
• 23:27
  John.
• 23:27
  So
• 23:27
  it's,
• 23:27
  it's
• 23:28
  fun
• 23:28
  for
• 23:28
  me.
• 23:28
  It's
• 23:28
  like,
• 23:28
  it's
• 23:29
  like
• 23:29
  ah,
• 23:31
  yet
• 23:31
  another,
• 23:32
  you
• 23:32
  know,
• 23:32
  fun
• 23:33
  way
• 23:33
  to
• 23:33
  appreciate
• 23:34
  the
• 23:34
  richness
• 23:35
  of
• 23:36
  talking
• 23:36
  about
• 23:36
  our
• 23:37
  universal
• 23:37
  interdependence.
• 23:38
  Yeah,
• 23:39
  There's
• 23:39
  a
• 23:39
  couple
• 23:39
  of
• 23:40
  many
• 23:41
  ways
• 23:41
  we
• 23:41
  can
• 23:41
  go
• 23:41
  here.
• 23:42
  And
• 23:42
  to
• 23:43
  first
• 23:44
  off,
• 23:44
  just
• 23:44
  to
• 23:44
  emphasize
• 23:45
  what
• 23:46
  John
• 23:46
  was
• 23:46
  saying
• 23:47
  about,
• 23:48
  you
• 23:48
  know,
• 23:48
  I'm
• 23:48
  no
• 23:48
  expert
• 23:49
  on
• 23:49
  quantum
• 23:49
  physics,
• 23:50
  but
• 23:50
  I,
• 23:50
  I
• 23:50
  have
• 23:51
  been
• 23:51
  just
• 23:52
  intrigued
• 23:52
  as
• 23:53
  John
• 23:53
  has
• 23:53
  to
• 23:54
  read
• 23:54
  Carlo
• 23:54
  Rovelli's
• 23:55
  work
• 23:56
  on
• 23:56
  his
• 23:57
  so
• 23:57
  called
• 23:57
  interdependent
• 23:58
  interpretation
• 23:59
  of
• 23:59
  quantum
• 24:00
  physics.
• 24:00
  That
• 24:01
  fundamentally
• 24:01
  there
• 24:01
  are
• 24:02
  no
• 24:02
  separate
• 24:02
  entities.
• 24:04
  Everything
• 24:04
  is
• 24:05
  interconnected,
• 24:05
  interdependent.
• 24:07
  So
• 24:07
  just
• 24:08
  to
• 24:08
  emphasize
• 24:08
  that
• 24:09
  foundation.
• 24:09
  But
• 24:10
  there
• 24:11
  are
• 24:11
  two
• 24:11
  themes
• 24:11
  we
• 24:12
  can,
• 24:12
  that
• 24:12
  would
• 24:13
  be
• 24:13
  great
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  continue
• 24:14
  exploring
• 24:14
  here.
• 24:15
  One
• 24:15
  is
• 24:15
  some
• 24:16
  very
• 24:16
  specific
• 24:17
  examples
• 24:18
  of,
• 24:19
  of
• 24:20
  applications
• 24:20
  here,
• 24:21
  particularly
• 24:21
  some
• 24:21
  of
• 24:21
  the
• 24:21
  global
• 24:22
  contemporary
• 24:23
  issues
• 24:23
  we're
• 24:23
  facing.
• 24:24
  The
• 24:24
  other
• 24:25
  is
• 24:25
  to
• 24:26
  continue
• 24:26
  your
• 24:27
  developmental
• 24:28
  analysis,
• 24:28
  Peter.
• 24:29
  And
• 24:29
  maybe
• 24:29
  that
• 24:29
  can
• 24:29
  provide
• 24:30
  a
• 24:30
  framework
• 24:30
  for
• 24:31
  coming
• 24:31
  back
• 24:31
  to
• 24:31
  the
• 24:32
  example.
• 24:32
  So
• 24:33
  as
• 24:33
  I
• 24:33
  understand
• 24:34
  your
• 24:35
  work,
• 24:35
  you
• 24:35
  have
• 24:36
  been
• 24:36
  able
• 24:36
  to
• 24:37
  find
• 24:38
  that
• 24:38
  different
• 24:39
  two
• 24:40
  kind
• 24:40
  of
• 24:40
  developmental
• 24:41
  processes
• 24:41
  regarding
• 24:42
  polarities.
• 24:42
  One
• 24:43
  is
• 24:43
  that
• 24:43
  different
• 24:44
  emphasis
• 24:45
  on
• 24:45
  specific
• 24:46
  polarities
• 24:46
  at
• 24:46
  different
• 24:47
  stages.
• 24:48
  And
• 24:48
  second,
• 24:48
  as
• 24:49
  we
• 24:49
  mature
• 24:49
  there's
• 24:51
  a
• 24:51
  more
• 24:51
  effective
• 24:52
  way
• 24:52
  in
• 24:52
  which
• 24:53
  we
• 24:53
  relate
• 24:53
  to
• 24:53
  polarity.
• 24:54
  So
• 24:54
  maybe
• 24:54
  you
• 24:55
  could
• 24:55
  take
• 24:55
  it
• 24:55
  from
• 24:55
  there.
• 24:56
  Yeah,
• 24:57
  sure.
• 24:57
  So
• 24:57
  what
• 24:57
  you
• 24:58
  might
• 24:58
  call
• 24:58
  one
• 24:58
  is
• 24:58
  content
• 24:59
  and
• 24:59
  the
• 24:59
  other
• 24:59
  is
• 25:00
  the
• 25:00
  process.
• 25:01
  And
• 25:01
  I
• 25:01
  think
• 25:02
  we
• 25:02
  went
• 25:02
  over
• 25:02
  this
• 25:03
  where
• 25:03
  at
• 25:04
  early
• 25:04
  stages.
• 25:04
  So
• 25:05
  I'll
• 25:05
  first
• 25:05
  talk
• 25:05
  about
• 25:06
  how
• 25:06
  we
• 25:07
  respond
• 25:07
  to
• 25:07
  tension
• 25:08
  and
• 25:08
  how
• 25:08
  we
• 25:08
  respond
• 25:09
  to
• 25:09
  opposition
• 25:10
  in
• 25:10
  the
• 25:10
  first
• 25:10
  place.
• 25:11
  In
• 25:11
  the
• 25:11
  first
• 25:11
  place
• 25:12
  we
• 25:12
  just
• 25:12
  choose
• 25:12
  one
• 25:13
  unconsciously
• 25:13
  there's
• 25:14
  one
• 25:14
  and
• 25:14
  then
• 25:14
  the
• 25:14
  other
• 25:15
  begins
• 25:15
  to
• 25:16
  come
• 25:16
  alive.
• 25:16
  And
• 25:17
  then
• 25:17
  we
• 25:17
  see
• 25:17
  it
• 25:18
  as
• 25:18
  competing.
• 25:19
  We
• 25:20
  tend
• 25:20
  to
• 25:20
  juggle,
• 25:21
  we
• 25:21
  tend
• 25:21
  to
• 25:21
  contrast
• 25:22
  it
• 25:22
  and
• 25:22
  we
• 25:23
  see
• 25:23
  it
• 25:23
  as
• 25:23
  tension
• 25:24
  and
• 25:24
  conflicting.
• 25:25
  And
• 25:25
  then
• 25:26
  as
• 25:26
  we
• 25:26
  develop,
• 25:27
  we
• 25:27
  don't
• 25:27
  see
• 25:28
  the
• 25:28
  conflict
• 25:28
  as
• 25:28
  much
• 25:29
  as
• 25:29
  the
• 25:29
  complementarity.
• 25:30
  We
• 25:30
  see.
• 25:30
  Oh,
• 25:31
  it's
• 25:31
  not
• 25:31
  just,
• 25:31
  it's
• 25:32
  not
• 25:32
  this
• 25:32
  against
• 25:33
  this.
• 25:33
  It's
• 25:33
  not
• 25:33
  directive
• 25:34
  versus
• 25:35
  participative.
• 25:36
  Our
• 25:36
  language
• 25:37
  changes.
• 25:37
  You'll
• 25:37
  see
• 25:37
  that
• 25:38
  at
• 25:38
  earlier
• 25:38
  stages
• 25:38
  people
• 25:39
  will
• 25:39
  use
• 25:39
  versus
• 25:40
  they
• 25:40
  will
• 25:40
  use
• 25:41
  or.
• 25:41
  But
• 25:42
  you
• 25:42
  don't
• 25:42
  see
• 25:42
  that
• 25:43
  at
• 25:43
  later
• 25:43
  stages.
• 25:44
  You
• 25:44
  see
• 25:45
  and,
• 25:45
  and
• 25:45
  you
• 25:46
  see
• 25:46
  the
• 25:46
  complementarity.
• 25:47
  You
• 25:47
  see
• 25:47
  it
• 25:47
  supplementing,
• 25:48
  you
• 25:48
  see
• 25:48
  it
• 25:49
  augmenting.
• 25:50
  You
• 25:50
  see
• 25:50
  a
• 25:50
  picture
• 25:51
  of
• 25:51
  the
• 25:51
  world
• 25:51
  where
• 25:52
  they're
• 25:52
  both
• 25:52
  needed
• 25:53
  in
• 25:53
  different
• 25:53
  ways
• 25:54
  initially.
• 25:55
  It's
• 25:55
  also
• 25:55
  seen
• 25:56
  as
• 25:56
  both
• 25:56
  are
• 25:57
  needed
• 25:57
  equally.
• 25:57
  And
• 25:58
  then
• 25:58
  it
• 25:58
  becomes
• 25:58
  more
• 25:59
  nuanced.
• 25:59
  You
• 25:59
  need.
• 26:00
  Sometimes
• 26:01
  you
• 26:01
  need
• 26:01
  less
• 26:01
  of
• 26:01
  one,
• 26:01
  and
• 26:02
  sometimes
• 26:02
  you
• 26:02
  need
• 26:02
  more
• 26:03
  of
• 26:03
  the
• 26:03
  other,
• 26:03
  and
• 26:03
  sometimes
• 26:04
  you
• 26:04
  need
• 26:04
  more
• 26:05
  of
• 26:05
  one
• 26:05
  in
• 26:05
  this
• 26:05
  situation
• 26:06
  and
• 26:06
  less
• 26:06
  of
• 26:07
  that
• 26:07
  in
• 26:07
  this
• 26:08
  situation.
• 26:08
  So
• 26:08
  there's
• 26:09
  more
• 26:09
  contextual
• 26:11
  inclusion.
• 26:12
  And
• 26:13
  then
• 26:13
  you
• 26:14
  also
• 26:14
  realize
• 26:15
  your
• 26:15
  own
• 26:15
  privileging
• 26:16
  of
• 26:16
  both
• 26:16
  end.
• 26:17
  And
• 26:17
  you
• 26:17
  recognize
• 26:18
  that
• 26:18
  at
• 26:18
  some
• 26:18
  point
• 26:18
  it's,
• 26:19
  you
• 26:19
  know,
• 26:20
  you
• 26:20
  have
• 26:20
  to
• 26:20
  be
• 26:20
  surgical
• 26:21
  about
• 26:21
  something.
• 26:21
  We
• 26:21
  have
• 26:21
  these
• 26:22
  expressions
• 26:22
  that
• 26:22
  sometimes
• 26:23
  you
• 26:23
  just
• 26:23
  have
• 26:23
  to
• 26:24
  cut
• 26:24
  the
• 26:25
  cord
• 26:25
  and,
• 26:25
  you
• 26:25
  know,
• 26:26
  accept
• 26:26
  the
• 26:26
  bleeding,
• 26:27
  that
• 26:27
  kind
• 26:27
  of
• 26:27
  thing.
• 26:28
  So
• 26:29
  you
• 26:29
  begin
• 26:29
  to
• 26:29
  see
• 26:29
  the
• 26:29
  value
• 26:30
  of
• 26:30
  that,
• 26:31
  and
• 26:31
  then
• 26:31
  you're
• 26:32
  able
• 26:32
  to
• 26:32
  modulate
• 26:33
  even
• 26:33
  that,
• 26:34
  being
• 26:34
  able
• 26:34
  to
• 26:35
  do
• 26:35
  that
• 26:35
  either
• 26:35
  or
• 26:36
  when
• 26:36
  needed.
• 26:36
  But
• 26:37
  it
• 26:37
  is
• 26:37
  now
• 26:37
  seen
• 26:38
  in
• 26:38
  context.
• 26:39
  It
• 26:39
  is
• 26:40
  seen
• 26:40
  as
• 26:40
  perhaps
• 26:41
  doing
• 26:41
  either
• 26:41
  or
• 26:42
  within
• 26:42
  a
• 26:43
  part
• 26:43
  of
• 26:43
  the
• 26:43
  system
• 26:44
  to
• 26:44
  see
• 26:44
  the
• 26:44
  benefit
• 26:45
  in
• 26:46
  the
• 26:46
  larger
• 26:46
  part,
• 26:47
  or
• 26:47
  to
• 26:47
  begin
• 26:47
  to
• 26:48
  see
• 26:48
  the
• 26:48
  either
• 26:48
  or
• 26:48
  in
• 26:49
  the
• 26:49
  system
• 26:49
  that
• 26:49
  is
• 26:49
  necessary
• 26:50
  to
• 26:50
  keep
• 26:50
  that
• 26:51
  system,
• 26:51
  you
• 26:52
  know,
• 26:52
  from
• 26:52
  being
• 26:53
  dysfunctional.
• 26:53
  I
• 26:54
  know
• 26:54
  these
• 26:54
  are
• 26:54
  sounding
• 26:55
  a
• 26:55
  little
• 26:55
  abstract,
• 26:55
  but
• 26:56
  I
• 26:56
  think
• 26:56
  you
• 26:56
  understand
• 26:57
  that
• 26:58
  in
• 26:58
  situations
• 26:59
  that
• 26:59
  are
• 26:59
  very
• 27:00
  complex,
• 27:00
  you're
• 27:01
  able
• 27:01
  to
• 27:01
  parse
• 27:02
  where
• 27:02
  do
• 27:02
  I
• 27:03
  need
• 27:03
  to
• 27:03
  be,
• 27:03
  where
• 27:04
  do
• 27:04
  I
• 27:04
  need
• 27:04
  to
• 27:04
  hold
• 27:05
  the
• 27:05
  line,
• 27:05
  and
• 27:06
  where
• 27:06
  do
• 27:06
  I
• 27:06
  need
• 27:07
  to
• 27:07
  be
• 27:07
  open
• 27:08
  so
• 27:08
  I
• 27:08
  can
• 27:08
  do
• 27:08
  both.
• 27:09
  And
• 27:10
  then
• 27:10
  at
• 27:11
  the
• 27:11
  later
• 27:11
  stage,
• 27:11
  the
• 27:12
  last
• 27:12
  two
• 27:12
  stages,
• 27:13
  it
• 27:13
  really
• 27:13
  becomes
• 27:14
  a
• 27:14
  flow.
• 27:15
  It
• 27:15
  happens
• 27:15
  because
• 27:16
  it's
• 27:16
  so
• 27:16
  much
• 27:17
  integrated
• 27:17
  and
• 27:17
  embodied
• 27:18
  in
• 27:18
  you
• 27:19
  that
• 27:19
  you
• 27:19
  don't
• 27:20
  have
• 27:20
  to
• 27:20
  think
• 27:20
  about
• 27:20
  it
• 27:21
  so
• 27:21
  much.
• 27:21
  You
• 27:22
  are
• 27:22
  automatically
• 27:23
  able
• 27:23
  to
• 27:23
  respond
• 27:24
  in
• 27:24
  appropriate
• 27:25
  ways.
• 27:25
  That's
• 27:25
  wisdom.
• 27:26
  You're
• 27:27
  able
• 27:27
  to
• 27:27
  bring
• 27:27
  what
• 27:27
  is
• 27:28
  needed,
• 27:28
  and
• 27:29
  then
• 27:29
  you
• 27:29
  continue
• 27:30
  to
• 27:30
  learn
• 27:30
  from
• 27:30
  that,
• 27:30
  because
• 27:31
  we
• 27:31
  are
• 27:31
  always
• 27:31
  learning
• 27:32
  from
• 27:33
  the
• 27:33
  feedback,
• 27:33
  from
• 27:34
  the
• 27:34
  impact
• 27:34
  of
• 27:34
  what
• 27:35
  we
• 27:35
  do.
• 27:36
  So
• 27:36
  that
• 27:37
  would
• 27:37
  be
• 27:37
  the
• 27:38
  trajectory
• 27:39
  of
• 27:39
  how
• 27:40
  we
• 27:40
  respond
• 27:41
  to
• 27:41
  opposition
• 27:42
  and
• 27:43
  conflict
• 27:44
  and
• 27:44
  tension.
• 27:45
  And
• 27:45
  as
• 27:46
  you
• 27:46
  presented
• 27:47
  that
• 27:47
  latter
• 27:47
  stage
• 27:48
  there
• 27:48
  being,
• 27:49
  what
• 27:49
  flashed
• 27:50
  into
• 27:51
  my
• 27:51
  mind
• 27:51
  was
• 27:52
  an
• 27:52
  image
• 27:52
  of
• 27:53
  the
• 27:53
  Yin
• 27:53
  Yang
• 27:54
  symbol
• 27:54
  of
• 27:54
  Taoism.
• 27:55
  Is
• 27:55
  that
• 27:55
  applicable
• 27:56
  here?
• 27:56
  Oh,
• 27:57
  totally.
• 27:57
  All
• 27:58
  the
• 27:58
  way
• 27:58
  up
• 27:58
  and
• 27:58
  all
• 27:58
  the
• 27:59
  way
• 27:59
  down.
• 27:59
  And
• 27:59
  in
• 28:00
  the
• 28:00
  Indian
• 28:00
  system,
• 28:00
  we
• 28:01
  have
• 28:01
  a
• 28:01
  personified
• 28:02
  yin
• 28:02
  yang,
• 28:03
  which
• 28:03
  is
• 28:03
  the
• 28:04
  deity,
• 28:04
  is
• 28:04
  the
• 28:05
  image
• 28:05
  of
• 28:05
  the
• 28:05
  masculine
• 28:06
  and
• 28:06
  the
• 28:06
  feminine
• 28:07
  in
• 28:07
  one
• 28:07
  body,
• 28:09
  which
• 28:09
  to
• 28:09
  me
• 28:09
  is
• 28:09
  more
• 28:09
  accessible,
• 28:10
  because
• 28:10
  the
• 28:11
  yin
• 28:11
  yang
• 28:11
  is
• 28:11
  an
• 28:12
  abstraction,
• 28:13
  whereas
• 28:13
  the
• 28:14
  embodied
• 28:15
  yin
• 28:15
  and
• 28:15
  yang
• 28:16
  feels
• 28:16
  like,
• 28:17
  oh,
• 28:17
  this
• 28:17
  is
• 28:17
  in
• 28:18
  me,
• 28:18
  this
• 28:18
  is
• 28:18
  part
• 28:18
  of
• 28:19
  me,
• 28:19
  and
• 28:19
  I
• 28:19
  can
• 28:20
  include
• 28:20
  both.
• 28:21
  And,
• 28:21
  Barry,
• 28:22
  you
• 28:22
  were
• 28:22
  going
• 28:22
  to
• 28:22
  say
• 28:22
  something
• 28:23
  after.
• 28:23
  Yeah,
• 28:24
  yeah,
• 28:24
  I
• 28:24
  was
• 28:24
  just
• 28:24
  going
• 28:24
  to
• 28:24
  build
• 28:25
  on
• 28:25
  what
• 28:25
  you
• 28:26
  were
• 28:26
  saying,
• 28:26
  Beena,
• 28:27
  in
• 28:27
  remembering
• 28:28
  one
• 28:28
  of
• 28:29
  my
• 28:29
  mentors,
• 28:29
  Jack
• 28:29
  Gibb,
• 28:30
  who
• 28:30
  was
• 28:30
  a
• 28:31
  lot
• 28:31
  about
• 28:31
  trust
• 28:31
  theory,
• 28:32
  and
• 28:32
  I
• 28:32
  was
• 28:32
  involved
• 28:33
  with
• 28:33
  him
• 28:33
  when
• 28:33
  I
• 28:34
  was
• 28:34
  in
• 28:34
  my
• 28:34
  doctoral
• 28:35
  program.
• 28:36
  And
• 28:37
  one
• 28:37
  of
• 28:37
  his
• 28:37
  statements
• 28:38
  Was
• 28:38
  that
• 28:38
  if
• 28:38
  you
• 28:38
  could
• 28:39
  see
• 28:39
  an
• 28:39
  individual
• 28:40
  or
• 28:41
  an
• 28:41
  organization
• 28:42
  or
• 28:42
  a
• 28:42
  nation
• 28:42
  state
• 28:43
  completely,
• 28:44
  that
• 28:44
  love
• 28:44
  is
• 28:45
  a
• 28:45
  natural
• 28:45
  byproduct
• 28:46
  of
• 28:47
  seeing
• 28:47
  completely.
• 28:48
  And
• 28:49
  this
• 28:49
  capacity,
• 28:50
  as
• 28:50
  you
• 28:50
  were
• 28:50
  describing
• 28:51
  this,
• 28:51
  is
• 28:51
  like
• 28:51
  a
• 28:51
  capacity
• 28:52
  to
• 28:52
  see
• 28:53
  a
• 28:53
  more
• 28:53
  complete
• 28:55
  universe.
• 28:56
  So
• 28:56
  I
• 28:56
  see
• 28:57
  a
• 28:57
  polarity
• 28:57
  lens
• 28:58
  as
• 28:59
  being
• 29:00
  helpful
• 29:01
  in
• 29:01
  our
• 29:02
  pursuit
• 29:03
  of
• 29:04
  being
• 29:04
  able
• 29:05
  to
• 29:05
  enhance
• 29:06
  our
• 29:06
  capacity
• 29:07
  to
• 29:07
  love.
• 29:08
  Love
• 29:08
  individuals,
• 29:09
  love
• 29:09
  nations,
• 29:10
  love
• 29:10
  enemies.
• 29:11
  And
• 29:12
  so,
• 29:12
  anyway,
• 29:12
  that
• 29:13
  was
• 29:13
  one
• 29:13
  thing
• 29:13
  that
• 29:13
  I
• 29:13
  was
• 29:14
  thinking
• 29:14
  of.
• 29:14
  And
• 29:15
  what's
• 29:15
  happened
• 29:15
  to
• 29:16
  me,
• 29:16
  as
• 29:16
  I've
• 29:16
  been
• 29:17
  more
• 29:17
  and
• 29:17
  more
• 29:17
  fascinated
• 29:18
  by
• 29:19
  the
• 29:19
  notion
• 29:20
  of
• 29:20
  our
• 29:20
  universal
• 29:21
  interdependence
• 29:22
  as
• 29:22
  a
• 29:22
  manifestation
• 29:23
  of
• 29:23
  a
• 29:23
  divine,
• 29:24
  unconditional
• 29:24
  love,
• 29:25
  it
• 29:26
  has
• 29:26
  changed
• 29:26
  the
• 29:26
  way
• 29:27
  I've
• 29:27
  looked
• 29:27
  at
• 29:27
  the
• 29:27
  polarity
• 29:28
  map.
• 29:28
  Often
• 29:28
  with
• 29:28
  a
• 29:29
  polarity
• 29:29
  map,
• 29:29
  you
• 29:29
  have
• 29:29
  two
• 29:29
  poles
• 29:30
  and
• 29:30
  then
• 29:30
  a
• 29:30
  greater
• 29:31
  purpose
• 29:31
  or
• 29:31
  an
• 29:32
  integrating
• 29:32
  peace,
• 29:32
  why
• 29:33
  bother
• 29:33
  to
• 29:34
  manage
• 29:34
  the
• 29:34
  tension
• 29:35
  between
• 29:35
  the
• 29:35
  two
• 29:35
  poles?
• 29:36
  And
• 29:36
  you
• 29:36
  can
• 29:37
  have
• 29:37
  a
• 29:37
  greater
• 29:37
  purpose.
• 29:38
  And
• 29:38
  when
• 29:39
  we
• 29:39
  looked
• 29:39
  at
• 29:40
  inhaling
• 29:40
  and
• 29:40
  exhaling
• 29:41
  our
• 29:41
  activity
• 29:41
  and
• 29:41
  rest,
• 29:41
  we
• 29:42
  might
• 29:42
  put
• 29:42
  life
• 29:42
  as
• 29:43
  the
• 29:43
  greater
• 29:43
  purpose
• 29:44
  and
• 29:44
  death
• 29:44
  as
• 29:45
  the
• 29:45
  deeper
• 29:45
  fear.
• 29:46
  And
• 29:46
  recently,
• 29:47
  as
• 29:47
  I've
• 29:47
  been
• 29:47
  thinking
• 29:48
  more
• 29:48
  and
• 29:48
  more
• 29:48
  about
• 29:48
  nature
• 29:49
  and
• 29:49
  the
• 29:49
  violence
• 29:50
  in
• 29:50
  nature,
• 29:51
  I
• 29:51
  have
• 29:52
  put
• 29:52
  life
• 29:52
  and
• 29:53
  death
• 29:53
  as
• 29:53
  two
• 29:53
  poles.
• 29:54
  And
• 29:55
  this
• 29:55
  is,
• 29:56
  I
• 29:56
  think,
• 29:56
  for
• 29:56
  me,
• 29:57
  it's
• 29:57
  a
• 29:57
  significant
• 29:58
  shift
• 29:59
  that
• 29:59
  you
• 30:00
  could
• 30:00
  obviously
• 30:00
  have
• 30:01
  life
• 30:01
  as
• 30:01
  a.
• 30:01
  You
• 30:02
  can
• 30:02
  have
• 30:02
  a
• 30:02
  greater
• 30:02
  purpose,
• 30:03
  be
• 30:03
  a
• 30:03
  pole
• 30:03
  of
• 30:04
  a
• 30:04
  larger
• 30:04
  polarity.
• 30:05
  And
• 30:05
  so
• 30:06
  if
• 30:06
  you
• 30:06
  look
• 30:06
  at
• 30:07
  life
• 30:07
  and
• 30:07
  death
• 30:08
  as
• 30:08
  a
• 30:08
  polarity
• 30:09
  and
• 30:10
  as
• 30:10
  a
• 30:10
  part
• 30:10
  of
• 30:11
  our
• 30:11
  universal
• 30:11
  interdependence
• 30:12
  in
• 30:12
  the
• 30:13
  world,
• 30:13
  then
• 30:13
  you
• 30:14
  can.
• 30:14
  You
• 30:15
  can
• 30:15
  appreciate
• 30:15
  that
• 30:16
  the
• 30:17
  life
• 30:17
  of
• 30:17
  every
• 30:18
  living
• 30:18
  thing
• 30:18
  on
• 30:19
  the
• 30:19
  planet
• 30:20
  is
• 30:21
  dependent
• 30:21
  on
• 30:22
  the
• 30:22
  death
• 30:23
  of
• 30:23
  another
• 30:23
  living
• 30:24
  thing.
• 30:26
  So
• 30:27
  you
• 30:27
  can
• 30:27
  look
• 30:27
  at.
• 30:28
  And
• 30:28
  I
• 30:29
  was
• 30:29
  sharing,
• 30:29
  did
• 30:29
  a
• 30:29
  presentation
• 30:30
  where
• 30:30
  I
• 30:30
  showed
• 30:31
  this.
• 30:31
  It
• 30:31
  was
• 30:31
  a
• 30:32
  picture
• 30:32
  of
• 30:32
  a
• 30:33
  wolf
• 30:33
  pack
• 30:34
  going
• 30:34
  after
• 30:35
  an
• 30:36
  elk.
• 30:37
  And
• 30:37
  the
• 30:37
  pictures
• 30:38
  of
• 30:38
  them
• 30:38
  attacking
• 30:38
  the
• 30:39
  elk,
• 30:39
  they're
• 30:40
  killing
• 30:40
  the
• 30:40
  elk,
• 30:41
  and
• 30:41
  they're
• 30:41
  gnarling.
• 30:42
  They're
• 30:42
  tearing
• 30:42
  this
• 30:42
  elk
• 30:43
  apart.
• 30:43
  And
• 30:43
  this
• 30:44
  is
• 30:44
  a
• 30:44
  part
• 30:44
  of
• 30:44
  nature.
• 30:46
  And
• 30:46
  we
• 30:47
  tend
• 30:47
  to
• 30:47
  assume
• 30:48
  that
• 30:49
  when
• 30:49
  we
• 30:49
  look
• 30:49
  at
• 30:49
  universal
• 30:50
  interdependence,
• 30:50
  there
• 30:51
  is
• 30:51
  no
• 30:52
  violence
• 30:52
  going
• 30:52
  on.
• 30:53
  But
• 30:53
  you
• 30:54
  are
• 30:54
  really
• 30:55
  not
• 30:55
  paying
• 30:56
  attention
• 30:56
  to
• 30:56
  what's
• 30:56
  going
• 30:57
  on
• 30:57
  in
• 30:57
  nature.
• 30:58
  And
• 30:58
  there
• 30:58
  is
• 30:59
  a
• 30:59
  lot
• 30:59
  of
• 30:59
  violence
• 31:00
  going
• 31:00
  on.
• 31:00
  There's
• 31:00
  a
• 31:01
  lot
• 31:01
  of
• 31:01
  destruction
• 31:01
  going
• 31:02
  on
• 31:02
  in
• 31:02
  order
• 31:02
  to
• 31:03
  pursue
• 31:03
  life
• 31:03
  itself.
• 31:04
  And
• 31:05
  so
• 31:05
  I
• 31:05
  showed
• 31:06
  a
• 31:06
  picture
• 31:06
  on
• 31:06
  the
• 31:06
  screen
• 31:06
  of
• 31:07
  these
• 31:07
  wolves
• 31:07
  attacking.
• 31:07
  Then
• 31:08
  I
• 31:08
  showed
• 31:08
  a
• 31:08
  picture
• 31:09
  of
• 31:10
  this.
• 31:10
  It
• 31:11
  was
• 31:11
  a.
• 31:12
  Looked
• 31:12
  like
• 31:12
  a
• 31:12
  mother
• 31:13
  wolf
• 31:13
  with
• 31:14
  two
• 31:14
  little
• 31:14
  pups,
• 31:15
  right?
• 31:16
  They
• 31:16
  were
• 31:16
  just
• 31:16
  relaxing
• 31:17
  in
• 31:17
  the
• 31:17
  sunlight,
• 31:18
  and
• 31:18
  she
• 31:18
  was
• 31:18
  just
• 31:19
  sort
• 31:19
  of
• 31:19
  hovering
• 31:19
  over
• 31:19
  them,
• 31:20
  taking
• 31:20
  care
• 31:20
  of
• 31:20
  them.
• 31:20
  And
• 31:21
  so.
• 31:21
  So
• 31:21
  which
• 31:22
  is
• 31:22
  the
• 31:22
  real
• 31:22
  wolf?
• 31:23
  The
• 31:23
  one
• 31:23
  that's
• 31:23
  attacking
• 31:24
  this
• 31:24
  elk?
• 31:25
  Or
• 31:25
  the
• 31:25
  one
• 31:25
  that's
• 31:26
  actually
• 31:26
  feeding
• 31:27
  these
• 31:27
  pups,
• 31:28
  you
• 31:28
  know,
• 31:29
  from
• 31:29
  attacking
• 31:29
  this
• 31:29
  elk.
• 31:30
  And
• 31:31
  the
• 31:31
  ability
• 31:31
  to.
• 31:32
  To
• 31:32
  incorporate
• 31:33
  that
• 31:33
  as
• 31:33
  a
• 31:34
  part
• 31:34
  of
• 31:34
  nature
• 31:35
  is
• 31:35
  really
• 31:36
  important
• 31:36
  to
• 31:36
  me.
• 31:37
  So
• 31:38
  I
• 31:38
  want
• 31:39
  to
• 31:39
  add
• 31:39
  there
• 31:39
  that
• 31:40
  that
• 31:40
  is
• 31:40
  a
• 31:40
  later
• 31:41
  stage.
• 31:42
  Polarity,
• 31:42
  understanding
• 31:43
  up
• 31:43
  until
• 31:44
  a
• 31:44
  particular
• 31:44
  stage,
• 31:44
  life
• 31:45
  is
• 31:45
  good,
• 31:45
  death
• 31:45
  is
• 31:45
  bad,
• 31:46
  death
• 31:46
  can
• 31:46
  never
• 31:46
  be
• 31:46
  a
• 31:47
  good
• 31:47
  thing.
• 31:47
  And
• 31:47
  then
• 31:48
  it
• 31:48
  is
• 31:48
  seen
• 31:48
  that
• 31:48
  life
• 31:49
  and
• 31:49
  death
• 31:49
  are
• 31:50
  the
• 31:50
  life
• 31:50
  cycle.
• 31:51
  And
• 31:51
  they
• 31:52
  both
• 31:52
  contributed
• 31:53
  to
• 31:53
  life,
• 31:53
  that
• 31:53
  you
• 31:53
  need
• 31:54
  life
• 31:55
  and
• 31:55
  you
• 31:55
  need
• 31:55
  death
• 31:56
  to
• 31:56
  contribute
• 31:56
  to
• 31:57
  life.
• 31:57
  I
• 31:57
  wouldn't
• 31:58
  say
• 31:58
  I
• 31:59
  forget.
• 31:59
  3rd
• 31:59
  4th
• 31:59
  century
• 32:00
  ADE
• 32:01
  Buddhist
• 32:02
  sage
• 32:03
  said,
• 32:03
  emptiness
• 32:03
  is
• 32:03
  form
• 32:04
  and
• 32:04
  form
• 32:04
  is
• 32:04
  emptiness.
• 32:05
  And
• 32:06
  that's
• 32:06
  kind
• 32:06
  of
• 32:06
  a
• 32:06
  co
• 32:06
  on.
• 32:07
  But
• 32:07
  when
• 32:07
  you
• 32:07
  can
• 32:07
  put
• 32:07
  that
• 32:08
  together,
• 32:09
  emptiness
• 32:09
  and
• 32:09
  form,
• 32:11
  then
• 32:12
  when
• 32:12
  you're
• 32:12
  dying,
• 32:13
  the
• 32:14
  process
• 32:14
  of
• 32:14
  becoming
• 32:14
  nothing
• 32:16
  is
• 32:16
  simply
• 32:16
  because
• 32:16
  something
• 32:17
  comes
• 32:18
  out
• 32:18
  of
• 32:18
  that
• 32:18
  nothing.
• 32:19
  I
• 32:19
  mean,
• 32:19
  it's
• 32:19
  the
• 32:20
  same
• 32:20
  thing.
• 32:21
  Yeah.
• 32:21
  Putting
• 32:21
  it
• 32:22
  together,
• 32:22
  it's
• 32:22
  like
• 32:22
  kind
• 32:22
  of
• 32:23
  the
• 32:23
  fear
• 32:24
  just
• 32:24
  goes
• 32:24
  away.
• 32:24
  It's
• 32:25
  like,
• 32:25
  okay,
• 32:26
  it's
• 32:26
  all
• 32:26
  good.
• 32:27
  Whatever
• 32:27
  it
• 32:27
  is.
• 32:28
  I'm
• 32:28
  not
• 32:28
  there
• 32:28
  or
• 32:29
  there
• 32:30
  it
• 32:30
  is,
• 32:30
  you
• 32:31
  know.
• 32:32
  That's
• 32:32
  nice.
• 32:33
  Yeah.
• 32:34
  So
• 32:34
  much
• 32:34
  in
• 32:34
  what.
• 32:35
  What
• 32:35
  your
• 32:35
  boss
• 32:36
  said
• 32:36
  here,
• 32:36
  we
• 32:36
  could.
• 32:37
  We
• 32:37
  could
• 32:37
  have
• 32:38
  a
• 32:38
  conversation
• 32:38
  around
• 32:40
  each
• 32:40
  of
• 32:40
  your
• 32:40
  statements.
• 32:41
  But
• 32:42
  let's
• 32:42
  play
• 32:42
  with
• 32:43
  just
• 32:43
  a
• 32:43
  couple
• 32:43
  here.
• 32:44
  First,
• 32:44
  Barry,
• 32:45
  you
• 32:45
  just,
• 32:46
  in
• 32:46
  a
• 32:46
  one
• 32:46
  liner
• 32:47
  said
• 32:47
  something
• 32:48
  incredibly
• 32:48
  important,
• 32:49
  that
• 32:49
  love
• 32:50
  is
• 32:50
  an
• 32:50
  automatic
• 32:51
  response
• 32:51
  to
• 32:52
  seeing
• 32:52
  completely
• 32:53
  or
• 32:53
  to
• 32:53
  seeing
• 32:53
  the
• 32:53
  whole.
• 32:55
  That's
• 32:56
  a
• 32:56
  powerful
• 32:56
  statement.
• 32:57
  Do
• 32:57
  you
• 32:57
  want
• 32:57
  to
• 32:57
  expand
• 32:58
  on
• 32:58
  that?
• 32:59
  Well,
• 32:59
  yes.
• 33:00
  It's
• 33:00
  been
• 33:00
  something
• 33:00
  I've
• 33:01
  been
• 33:01
  living
• 33:01
  with,
• 33:02
  has
• 33:03
  been
• 33:04
  my
• 33:04
  experience
• 33:05
  becoming
• 33:05
  more
• 33:06
  and
• 33:06
  more
• 33:06
  true
• 33:06
  for
• 33:07
  me.
• 33:07
  So
• 33:07
  I.
• 33:08
  I'm
• 33:08
  more
• 33:08
  and
• 33:08
  more
• 33:08
  aware
• 33:09
  of
• 33:09
  the
• 33:09
  truth
• 33:09
  in
• 33:10
  what
• 33:10
  Jack
• 33:10
  was
• 33:10
  saying.
• 33:11
  And
• 33:11
  this
• 33:11
  was
• 33:12
  at
• 33:12
  least
• 33:12
  30
• 33:13
  years
• 33:13
  ago
• 33:13
  now
• 33:14
  that
• 33:14
  he
• 33:15
  said
• 33:15
  that
• 33:16
  and
• 33:17
  the
• 33:17
  quest
• 33:19
  there.
• 33:19
  So
• 33:19
  it's
• 33:19
  a
• 33:19
  different
• 33:20
  quest.
• 33:21
  One
• 33:21
  quest
• 33:21
  I
• 33:22
  talked
• 33:22
  about
• 33:22
  earlier
• 33:23
  is
• 33:23
  the.
• 33:24
  The
• 33:24
  sort
• 33:24
  of
• 33:24
  the
• 33:24
  warrior
• 33:25
  quest
• 33:25
  for
• 33:26
  finding
• 33:26
  the
• 33:26
  evil
• 33:27
  source
• 33:27
  and
• 33:27
  destroying
• 33:28
  the
• 33:28
  evil
• 33:28
  source
• 33:28
  in
• 33:29
  order
• 33:29
  to
• 33:29
  save
• 33:29
  whatever.
• 33:30
  That
• 33:31
  quest,
• 33:32
  I
• 33:32
  believe,
• 33:33
  is
• 33:34
  dehumanizing
• 33:34
  for
• 33:35
  the
• 33:35
  one
• 33:35
  on
• 33:35
  the
• 33:35
  quest
• 33:36
  and
• 33:36
  for
• 33:36
  whomever
• 33:37
  is
• 33:37
  found.
• 33:38
  And
• 33:38
  this
• 33:38
  is
• 33:39
  what
• 33:39
  happens
• 33:39
  with
• 33:40
  what
• 33:40
  I
• 33:40
  call
• 33:40
  name
• 33:40
  calling.
• 33:41
  We
• 33:41
  identify
• 33:42
  somebody
• 33:42
  as
• 33:42
  a
• 33:42
  fascist
• 33:43
  or
• 33:43
  as
• 33:43
  a
• 33:43
  racist
• 33:44
  or
• 33:44
  as
• 33:44
  a
• 33:44
  sexist
• 33:45
  or
• 33:45
  as
• 33:45
  a
• 33:45
  something.
• 33:46
  But
• 33:46
  whenever
• 33:46
  we
• 33:47
  try
• 33:48
  to
• 33:48
  find
• 33:48
  somebody,
• 33:48
  we
• 33:49
  try
• 33:49
  to
• 33:49
  address
• 33:49
  racism
• 33:50
  by
• 33:50
  trying
• 33:50
  to
• 33:50
  identify,
• 33:51
  well,
• 33:51
  who
• 33:51
  are
• 33:51
  the
• 33:51
  racists?
• 33:52
  And
• 33:52
  let's
• 33:53
  educate
• 33:53
  them
• 33:54
  or
• 33:54
  put
• 33:54
  them
• 33:54
  in
• 33:54
  jail
• 33:55
  or
• 33:55
  do
• 33:55
  something
• 33:55
  with
• 33:55
  them
• 33:56
  because
• 33:56
  they're
• 33:56
  the
• 33:56
  source
• 33:57
  of
• 33:57
  the
• 33:57
  evil.
• 33:58
  But
• 33:58
  let's
• 33:58
  take
• 33:59
  that
• 33:59
  for
• 33:59
  a
• 33:59
  second.
• 34:00
  If
• 34:00
  I'm
• 34:00
  spending
• 34:01
  my
• 34:01
  life
• 34:02
  trying
• 34:02
  to
• 34:02
  fight
• 34:03
  racism
• 34:03
  by
• 34:04
  looking
• 34:04
  for
• 34:04
  racists
• 34:05
  who
• 34:05
  need
• 34:05
  to
• 34:05
  be
• 34:05
  addressed,
• 34:06
  think
• 34:07
  about
• 34:07
  that
• 34:07
  quest.
• 34:08
  I
• 34:08
  am
• 34:09
  constantly
• 34:09
  In
• 34:10
  a
• 34:10
  position
• 34:10
  of
• 34:10
  judging
• 34:11
  everybody
• 34:12
  I'm
• 34:12
  talking
• 34:12
  with
• 34:13
  to
• 34:14
  try
• 34:14
  to
• 34:15
  identify
• 34:16
  whether
• 34:16
  they
• 34:16
  are
• 34:17
  somebody
• 34:18
  who
• 34:18
  need
• 34:18
  my
• 34:19
  retribution
• 34:20
  because
• 34:20
  they
• 34:20
  are
• 34:21
  racist.
• 34:21
  This
• 34:21
  is
• 34:22
  obviously
• 34:22
  denying
• 34:23
  the
• 34:23
  fact
• 34:24
  that
• 34:24
  when
• 34:25
  you're
• 34:25
  raised
• 34:25
  in
• 34:25
  a
• 34:25
  culture
• 34:25
  in
• 34:26
  which
• 34:26
  racism
• 34:26
  is
• 34:26
  so
• 34:26
  present,
• 34:27
  everybody
• 34:27
  has
• 34:28
  their
• 34:28
  own
• 34:28
  racism,
• 34:29
  their
• 34:29
  own
• 34:29
  racial
• 34:29
  bias.
• 34:30
  It's
• 34:30
  like
• 34:30
  that.
• 34:30
  It's
• 34:31
  in
• 34:31
  you,
• 34:32
  Beena
• 34:32
  mentioned
• 34:33
  earlier.
• 34:33
  You're
• 34:33
  deflecting
• 34:34
  it
• 34:34
  from
• 34:34
  yourself,
• 34:35
  projecting
• 34:35
  it
• 34:35
  out,
• 34:36
  and
• 34:36
  you're
• 34:37
  seeking
• 34:37
  someone
• 34:37
  to
• 34:38
  find.
• 34:38
  And
• 34:39
  so
• 34:39
  even
• 34:39
  your
• 34:40
  whole
• 34:40
  inquiry
• 34:41
  process
• 34:42
  is
• 34:42
  invested
• 34:43
  in
• 34:43
  finding
• 34:43
  out
• 34:44
  who
• 34:44
  are
• 34:44
  the
• 34:44
  evil
• 34:45
  ones.
• 34:45
  And
• 34:45
  let's
• 34:45
  get
• 34:45
  them
• 34:46
  now.
• 34:47
  What
• 34:47
  if
• 34:47
  your
• 34:47
  whole
• 34:48
  process
• 34:49
  was
• 34:49
  trying
• 34:50
  to
• 34:50
  see
• 34:50
  people
• 34:51
  completely
• 34:52
  with
• 34:52
  the
• 34:52
  intent
• 34:53
  of
• 34:53
  loving
• 34:54
  them?
• 34:55
  That's
• 34:55
  the
• 34:55
  quest.
• 34:56
  It's
• 34:56
  like,
• 34:56
  what
• 34:57
  will
• 34:57
  help
• 34:57
  me
• 34:57
  see
• 34:58
  them
• 34:58
  more
• 34:58
  completely?
• 34:59
  Well,
• 34:59
  certainly
• 34:59
  listening
• 35:00
  to
• 35:00
  them,
• 35:00
  empathizing
• 35:01
  with
• 35:01
  them,
• 35:02
  acknowledging
• 35:03
  that
• 35:03
  I
• 35:03
  could
• 35:04
  easily
• 35:04
  be
• 35:04
  them,
• 35:05
  doesn't
• 35:05
  matter
• 35:05
  who
• 35:05
  it
• 35:05
  is.
• 35:06
  If
• 35:06
  it's
• 35:06
  Trump,
• 35:06
  it's
• 35:06
  Hitler,
• 35:07
  it
• 35:07
  doesn't
• 35:08
  matter.
• 35:08
  It
• 35:09
  becomes
• 35:09
  relatively
• 35:10
  easy
• 35:10
  to
• 35:10
  say,
• 35:10
  that
• 35:11
  could
• 35:11
  be
• 35:11
  me
• 35:12
  there,
• 35:12
  but
• 35:13
  for
• 35:13
  fortune
• 35:13
  go
• 35:13
  I.
• 35:14
  So
• 35:15
  the
• 35:15
  quest
• 35:15
  is
• 35:16
  so
• 35:16
  different,
• 35:17
  and
• 35:18
  the
• 35:18
  possibilities
• 35:19
  you
• 35:20
  just
• 35:20
  discover
• 35:21
  as
• 35:21
  it.
• 35:22
  And
• 35:22
  it
• 35:22
  happens
• 35:22
  for
• 35:22
  yourself
• 35:23
  as
• 35:23
  well.
• 35:23
  Because
• 35:24
  if
• 35:24
  we
• 35:24
  could
• 35:24
  see
• 35:24
  ourselves
• 35:24
  completely,
• 35:25
  love
• 35:25
  would
• 35:25
  be
• 35:26
  a
• 35:26
  natural
• 35:26
  result.
• 35:27
  We
• 35:27
  can
• 35:27
  allow
• 35:28
  ourselves
• 35:28
  to
• 35:28
  be
• 35:28
  with
• 35:29
  our
• 35:29
  imperfections,
• 35:30
  with
• 35:30
  our
• 35:30
  foibles,
• 35:31
  with
• 35:31
  our.
• 35:32
  All
• 35:32
  of
• 35:33
  us,
• 35:33
  our
• 35:33
  messiness,
• 35:35
  and
• 35:35
  love
• 35:36
  who
• 35:37
  it
• 35:37
  is
• 35:37
  we
• 35:37
  find.
• 35:38
  And
• 35:40
  I
• 35:40
  don't
• 35:40
  think
• 35:40
  it's
• 35:40
  possible
• 35:41
  without
• 35:42
  having
• 35:42
  some
• 35:43
  sense
• 35:43
  of
• 35:43
  being
• 35:43
  loved,
• 35:44
  being
• 35:44
  seen
• 35:45
  and
• 35:45
  being
• 35:45
  loved
• 35:46
  to.
• 35:46
  I
• 35:47
  think
• 35:47
  that's
• 35:47
  a
• 35:47
  piece
• 35:47
  of
• 35:48
  that
• 35:48
  interdependence.
• 35:49
  Then
• 35:49
  it
• 35:49
  increases
• 35:50
  my
• 35:50
  capacity
• 35:50
  to
• 35:51
  see
• 35:51
  and
• 35:51
  love.
• 35:53
  That's
• 35:53
  how
• 35:53
  it
• 35:53
  shows
• 35:54
  up
• 35:54
  for
• 35:54
  me.
• 35:55
  And
• 35:55
  so
• 35:55
  if
• 35:56
  I
• 35:56
  find
• 35:56
  somebody
• 35:58
  with
• 35:58
  whom
• 35:58
  it's
• 35:59
  extremely
• 35:59
  difficult
• 36:00
  for
• 36:01
  me
• 36:01
  to
• 36:02
  even
• 36:02
  want
• 36:03
  to
• 36:03
  invest
• 36:03
  energy
• 36:03
  in
• 36:04
  attempting
• 36:04
  to
• 36:04
  see
• 36:04
  them
• 36:05
  completely
• 36:05
  because
• 36:05
  I'm
• 36:06
  so
• 36:06
  pissed
• 36:06
  off
• 36:06
  at
• 36:07
  how
• 36:07
  they're
• 36:07
  behaving
• 36:08
  in
• 36:08
  the
• 36:08
  world.
• 36:08
  What
• 36:09
  I
• 36:09
  can
• 36:09
  be
• 36:09
  aware
• 36:10
  of
• 36:10
  is,
• 36:11
  is
• 36:12
  the
• 36:13
  inability
• 36:13
  to
• 36:16
  see
• 36:16
  them
• 36:16
  completely
• 36:17
  is
• 36:18
  about
• 36:18
  my
• 36:18
  own
• 36:18
  limitation.
• 36:20
  It's
• 36:20
  not
• 36:20
  about
• 36:21
  the
• 36:21
  potential
• 36:22
  to
• 36:22
  love
• 36:22
  them
• 36:23
  were
• 36:23
  I
• 36:23
  able
• 36:24
  to
• 36:24
  see
• 36:24
  them
• 36:24
  completely.
• 36:25
  So
• 36:25
  I'm
• 36:25
  really
• 36:25
  just.
• 36:26
  I'm
• 36:26
  really
• 36:26
  confronting
• 36:27
  my
• 36:27
  own
• 36:27
  limitations
• 36:28
  at
• 36:28
  this
• 36:28
  point.
• 36:28
  You
• 36:29
  know,
• 36:29
  I.
• 36:29
  I
• 36:29
  just
• 36:29
  can't
• 36:30
  get
• 36:30
  beyond
• 36:30
  what
• 36:31
  this
• 36:31
  guy
• 36:31
  is
• 36:31
  doing
• 36:32
  or
• 36:32
  what
• 36:32
  this
• 36:33
  woman
• 36:33
  is
• 36:33
  doing,
• 36:33
  what
• 36:33
  this
• 36:33
  person
• 36:34
  is
• 36:34
  doing.
• 36:35
  I
• 36:35
  can't
• 36:35
  get
• 36:35
  beyond
• 36:36
  that.
• 36:36
  But
• 36:36
  that's
• 36:36
  me
• 36:37
  not
• 36:37
  getting
• 36:37
  beyond
• 36:38
  that.
• 36:38
  It's
• 36:39
  not
• 36:40
  them
• 36:40
  being
• 36:40
  impossible
• 36:41
  to
• 36:41
  love.
• 36:43
  You
• 36:43
  know,
• 36:43
  that
• 36:43
  is
• 36:44
  radical
• 36:44
  responsibility,
• 36:46
  what
• 36:46
  I'm
• 36:47
  hearing,
• 36:48
  you
• 36:48
  know,
• 36:48
  that's
• 36:48
  taking
• 36:48
  radical
• 36:49
  responsibility
• 36:50
  for
• 36:50
  one's
• 36:50
  own
• 36:51
  incapacity
• 36:51
  to
• 36:51
  see.
• 36:52
  And
• 36:53
  they.
• 36:53
  But
• 36:53
  for
• 36:54
  fortune
• 36:54
  go
• 36:54
  you
• 36:54
  or
• 36:55
  you
• 36:55
  or
• 36:55
  I
• 36:56
  is
• 36:56
  such
• 36:57
  a
• 36:57
  high
• 36:57
  order
• 36:57
  perspective
• 36:58
  to
• 36:58
  bring.
• 36:59
  And
• 36:59
  I
• 36:59
  can't
• 36:59
  help
• 37:00
  but
• 37:00
  think
• 37:01
  in
• 37:01
  terms
• 37:01
  of
• 37:02
  the
• 37:02
  stages.
• 37:03
  You
• 37:03
  know,
• 37:03
  we
• 37:03
  are
• 37:04
  taught
• 37:05
  as
• 37:05
  we
• 37:05
  grow
• 37:05
  up,
• 37:06
  you
• 37:06
  know,
• 37:06
  us
• 37:07
  versus
• 37:07
  them.
• 37:07
  We
• 37:08
  are
• 37:08
  taught
• 37:08
  that
• 37:08
  separation,
• 37:09
  you
• 37:09
  know,
• 37:10
  even
• 37:10
  while
• 37:10
  I
• 37:11
  was
• 37:11
  taught
• 37:11
  to
• 37:11
  share
• 37:12
  with
• 37:12
  my
• 37:12
  friends,
• 37:13
  I
• 37:13
  was
• 37:14
  also
• 37:14
  told,
• 37:14
  you
• 37:14
  know,
• 37:15
  as
• 37:15
  a
• 37:15
  child,
• 37:16
  they
• 37:16
  are
• 37:16
  them,
• 37:17
  you
• 37:17
  know,
• 37:17
  be
• 37:17
  careful,
• 37:18
  you
• 37:18
  know,
• 37:18
  be
• 37:18
  careful
• 37:19
  of
• 37:19
  your
• 37:19
  sayings.
• 37:20
  And
• 37:20
  so
• 37:21
  the
• 37:21
  us
• 37:21
  versus
• 37:22
  them
• 37:22
  begins,
• 37:23
  that
• 37:23
  separation
• 37:24
  begins
• 37:24
  and
• 37:25
  then
• 37:25
  we
• 37:25
  slowly
• 37:26
  begin
• 37:26
  to
• 37:26
  acknowledge
• 37:27
  the
• 37:27
  other.
• 37:27
  And
• 37:28
  then
• 37:28
  we
• 37:29
  are
• 37:29
  interested
• 37:30
  in,
• 37:30
  oh,
• 37:30
  they
• 37:30
  have
• 37:30
  a
• 37:30
  different
• 37:31
  perspective.
• 37:31
  And
• 37:32
  at
• 37:32
  least
• 37:32
  we
• 37:32
  are
• 37:32
  willing
• 37:32
  to
• 37:32
  listen.
• 37:33
  But
• 37:33
  I
• 37:34
  really
• 37:34
  hold
• 37:34
  mine
• 37:35
  and
• 37:35
  then
• 37:36
  I
• 37:36
  begin
• 37:36
  to
• 37:36
  see,
• 37:37
  oh,
• 37:37
  but
• 37:37
  your
• 37:37
  truth
• 37:38
  is
• 37:38
  also
• 37:38
  a
• 37:39
  truth.
• 37:39
  It's
• 37:39
  not
• 37:39
  just
• 37:39
  my
• 37:40
  truth.
• 37:41
  It's
• 37:41
  not
• 37:41
  just
• 37:41
  about
• 37:42
  let's
• 37:42
  agree
• 37:42
  to
• 37:43
  disagree,
• 37:44
  but
• 37:44
  let's
• 37:44
  acknowledge
• 37:45
  that
• 37:45
  we
• 37:45
  both
• 37:45
  have
• 37:46
  truths.
• 37:47
  And
• 37:47
  then
• 37:47
  it
• 37:48
  goes
• 37:48
  further
• 37:49
  where
• 37:49
  you
• 37:49
  begin
• 37:49
  to
• 37:50
  realize
• 37:50
  that
• 37:50
  the
• 37:50
  truth
• 37:51
  that
• 37:51
  we
• 37:51
  are
• 37:51
  creating,
• 37:52
  whether
• 37:53
  it's
• 37:53
  positive
• 37:54
  or
• 37:54
  not,
• 37:54
  I'm
• 37:54
  contributing
• 37:55
  to
• 37:55
  that
• 37:56
  system.
• 37:56
  And
• 37:57
  then
• 37:57
  I
• 37:57
  come
• 37:58
  to
• 37:59
  the
• 37:59
  fact
• 37:59
  that
• 37:59
  even
• 38:00
  the
• 38:00
  separation
• 38:01
  between
• 38:01
  you
• 38:01
  and
• 38:01
  I
• 38:01
  is
• 38:02
  just
• 38:02
  an
• 38:02
  idea,
• 38:02
  is
• 38:03
  a
• 38:03
  construct
• 38:03
  and
• 38:04
  there
• 38:04
  is
• 38:04
  no
• 38:04
  difference.
• 38:05
  And
• 38:05
  you
• 38:06
  and
• 38:06
  I
• 38:06
  are
• 38:07
  now
• 38:07
  we
• 38:07
  see
• 38:08
  me
• 38:08
  and
• 38:09
  you
• 38:09
  completely.
• 38:10
  And
• 38:10
  then
• 38:10
  we
• 38:11
  see
• 38:11
  our
• 38:11
  innocence
• 38:12
  also.
• 38:13
  That's
• 38:13
  high
• 38:13
  order
• 38:14
  maturity.
• 38:15
  It's
• 38:15
  not
• 38:15
  that
• 38:15
  easy
• 38:16
  in
• 38:16
  the
• 38:16
  world.
• 38:17
  It
• 38:17
  is
• 38:17
  indeed.
• 38:18
  And
• 38:19
  feels
• 38:19
  like
• 38:19
  this
• 38:20
  is
• 38:20
  pointing
• 38:20
  to
• 38:20
  something.
• 38:21
  Well,
• 38:22
  both
• 38:23
  acknowledge
• 38:23
  is
• 38:23
  pointing
• 38:24
  to
• 38:24
  something
• 38:24
  extremely
• 38:25
  important.
• 38:26
  I'm
• 38:26
  thinking
• 38:27
  that
• 38:28
  love
• 38:28
  is
• 38:29
  an
• 38:29
  automatic
• 38:30
  or
• 38:30
  natural
• 38:31
  response
• 38:32
  to
• 38:33
  seeing
• 38:34
  fully.
• 38:35
  And
• 38:35
  you
• 38:35
  introduced
• 38:36
  defenselessly,
• 38:37
  Barry.
• 38:38
  So
• 38:38
  seeing
• 38:39
  fully
• 38:39
  and
• 38:39
  defenselessly.
• 38:41
  And
• 38:41
  it
• 38:42
  feels
• 38:42
  like
• 38:42
  that
• 38:43
  ties
• 38:43
  into
• 38:45
  some
• 38:45
  of
• 38:45
  the
• 38:45
  more
• 38:45
  profound
• 38:46
  aspects
• 38:47
  of
• 38:47
  contemplative
• 38:48
  perspectives.
• 38:49
  Some
• 38:50
  of
• 38:50
  them,
• 38:50
  for
• 38:50
  example,
• 38:50
  the
• 38:51
  idea
• 38:51
  of,
• 38:52
  you
• 38:52
  know,
• 38:52
  theologically
• 38:53
  the
• 38:53
  idea
• 38:54
  of
• 38:54
  an
• 38:54
  all
• 38:55
  loving
• 38:55
  God.
• 38:56
  And
• 38:56
  then
• 38:56
  of
• 38:56
  course
• 38:56
  you've
• 38:56
  got
• 38:57
  the
• 38:57
  polarity
• 38:57
  of
• 38:59
  how
• 38:59
  to,
• 38:59
  how
• 39:00
  do
• 39:00
  you
• 39:00
  put
• 39:00
  together
• 39:01
  all
• 39:01
  loving
• 39:01
  God
• 39:02
  with
• 39:02
  suffering
• 39:02
  in
• 39:02
  the
• 39:03
  world?
• 39:03
  But
• 39:03
  still
• 39:04
  in
• 39:04
  other
• 39:04
  traditions,
• 39:05
  for
• 39:05
  example,
• 39:06
  certainly
• 39:06
  in
• 39:06
  the
• 39:06
  Bhakti
• 39:07
  traditions
• 39:08
  of
• 39:08
  pure
• 39:08
  tradition
• 39:09
  being
• 39:09
  around
• 39:09
  in
• 39:10
  Buddhism,
• 39:10
  there's
• 39:11
  a
• 39:11
  very
• 39:12
  advanced
• 39:13
  recognition
• 39:13
  of
• 39:13
  what's
• 39:14
  called
• 39:14
  primordial
• 39:15
  purity,
• 39:15
  that
• 39:16
  even
• 39:16
  though
• 39:16
  there
• 39:16
  is
• 39:17
  the
• 39:17
  suffering
• 39:17
  and
• 39:18
  the
• 39:18
  incompleteness
• 39:19
  and
• 39:19
  problematic
• 39:20
  nature
• 39:20
  of
• 39:21
  constituents,
• 39:22
  there
• 39:22
  is
• 39:23
  something
• 39:23
  fundamentally
• 39:24
  pure
• 39:25
  and
• 39:25
  positive
• 39:26
  about
• 39:26
  the
• 39:26
  whole.
• 39:28
  That's
• 39:28
  a
• 39:28
  very
• 39:28
  advanced
• 39:29
  recognition.
• 39:30
  So
• 39:30
  it
• 39:30
  feels
• 39:31
  like
• 39:31
  you're
• 39:31
  pointing
• 39:32
  to
• 39:32
  something
• 39:33
  not
• 39:33
  only
• 39:34
  of
• 39:34
  enormous
• 39:35
  practical
• 39:35
  importance,
• 39:36
  Barry,
• 39:36
  but
• 39:37
  of
• 39:37
  absolutely
• 39:39
  something
• 39:39
  ontologically
• 39:40
  fundamental.
• 39:41
  Yeah,
• 39:42
  and
• 39:42
  I
• 39:42
  think
• 39:42
  so.
• 39:42
  And
• 39:43
  we've
• 39:43
  had
• 39:43
  it
• 39:43
  like
• 39:43
  you've
• 39:44
  mentioned
• 39:44
  that
• 39:44
  these
• 39:44
  are
• 39:45
  historical.
• 39:45
  I
• 39:45
  mean,
• 39:46
  mysticism
• 39:46
  has
• 39:47
  been
• 39:47
  around
• 39:47
  for
• 39:47
  a
• 39:47
  long
• 39:48
  time.
• 39:48
  And
• 39:50
  the
• 39:50
  mystic
• 39:51
  that
• 39:51
  I
• 39:51
  most
• 39:52
  regularly
• 39:53
  appreciate
• 39:54
  is
• 39:55
  as
• 39:55
  Richard
• 39:55
  Rohr
• 39:56
  and
• 39:57
  Richard's
• 39:58
  daily
• 39:59
  meditations
• 40:00
  and
• 40:01
  his,
• 40:01
  you
• 40:01
  know,
• 40:02
  it's
• 40:02
  the
• 40:03
  action
• 40:03
  and
• 40:03
  reflection
• 40:05
  for
• 40:05
  action
• 40:05
  and
• 40:05
  meditation.
• 40:06
  I
• 40:07
  really
• 40:07
  resonate
• 40:08
  with
• 40:08
  that.
• 40:09
  And
• 40:09
  I
• 40:10
  keep
• 40:10
  being
• 40:10
  reminded
• 40:11
  of
• 40:11
  that,
• 40:12
  that
• 40:12
  dimension
• 40:12
  for
• 40:13
  all
• 40:13
  of
• 40:13
  us.
• 40:14
  I
• 40:14
  wrote
• 40:15
  a
• 40:15
  book
• 40:16
  when
• 40:16
  I
• 40:17
  was.
• 40:17
  This
• 40:18
  is
• 40:18
  brief
• 40:19
  part
• 40:19
  of
• 40:19
  my
• 40:20
  history
• 40:20
  that
• 40:21
  is
• 40:21
  fun
• 40:21
  to
• 40:22
  sort
• 40:22
  of
• 40:22
  connect
• 40:22
  back
• 40:23
  to.
• 40:23
  I
• 40:24
  was
• 40:24
  raised
• 40:24
  in
• 40:24
  a
• 40:24
  very
• 40:24
  conservative
• 40:25
  Lutheran
• 40:26
  church.
• 40:26
  And
• 40:26
  at
• 40:27
  age
• 40:27
  13,
• 40:27
  I
• 40:27
  thought
• 40:28
  I
• 40:28
  was
• 40:28
  going
• 40:28
  to
• 40:28
  be
• 40:28
  a
• 40:28
  Lutheran
• 40:29
  minister.
• 40:29
  That
• 40:29
  was
• 40:29
  my
• 40:29
  plan
• 40:30
  from
• 40:30
  13
• 40:30
  on.
• 40:31
  I
• 40:31
  thought,
• 40:31
  I'm
• 40:31
  going
• 40:31
  to
• 40:32
  be
• 40:32
  a
• 40:32
  Lutheran
• 40:32
  minister.
• 40:34
  But
• 40:34
  I
• 40:34
  was
• 40:34
  also,
• 40:35
  at
• 40:35
  that
• 40:35
  same
• 40:35
  time,
• 40:36
  I
• 40:36
  was
• 40:36
  struggling
• 40:37
  with
• 40:37
  the
• 40:38
  fear
• 40:38
  of
• 40:38
  going
• 40:38
  to
• 40:38
  hell.
• 40:39
  So
• 40:39
  very
• 40:40
  strong
• 40:40
  fear
• 40:41
  of
• 40:41
  this
• 40:41
  and
• 40:41
  doing
• 40:41
  things
• 40:42
  right.
• 40:42
  And
• 40:42
  as
• 40:42
  I
• 40:42
  found
• 40:43
  myself
• 40:43
  being
• 40:43
  attracted
• 40:44
  to
• 40:44
  young
• 40:45
  women,
• 40:45
  to,
• 40:45
  you
• 40:45
  know,
• 40:46
  these
• 40:46
  teenage
• 40:46
  girls,
• 40:47
  I
• 40:47
  got
• 40:47
  in
• 40:47
  my
• 40:47
  teenage
• 40:47
  years
• 40:49
  and
• 40:49
  I
• 40:49
  immediately
• 40:50
  saw
• 40:50
  this
• 40:50
  as
• 40:51
  lust.
• 40:51
  And
• 40:51
  I
• 40:52
  tried
• 40:52
  to
• 40:52
  figure
• 40:52
  out
• 40:52
  how
• 40:52
  to
• 40:53
  not
• 40:53
  be
• 40:53
  attracted
• 40:53
  to
• 40:54
  young
• 40:54
  girls
• 40:55
  because
• 40:55
  I
• 40:55
  was
• 40:55
  going
• 40:56
  to
• 40:56
  hell.
• 40:57
  So
• 40:57
  serious
• 40:57
  about
• 40:58
  it
• 40:58
  that
• 40:58
  I
• 40:58
  thought
• 40:58
  one
• 40:59
  day
• 40:59
  I
• 40:59
  had
• 40:59
  a
• 41:00
  scissors
• 41:00
  in
• 41:00
  my
• 41:00
  hand,
• 41:01
  thinking
• 41:01
  if
• 41:01
  I
• 41:01
  punched
• 41:02
  out
• 41:02
  both
• 41:02
  of
• 41:02
  my
• 41:03
  eyes,
• 41:03
  I
• 41:03
  wouldn't
• 41:04
  see
• 41:04
  them.
• 41:04
  And
• 41:04
  then
• 41:05
  I
• 41:05
  wouldn't
• 41:05
  be
• 41:05
  lusting.
• 41:06
  I
• 41:06
  wouldn't
• 41:06
  be
• 41:06
  in
• 41:07
  this
• 41:07
  sinful
• 41:08
  position
• 41:08
  as
• 41:08
  a
• 41:08
  person.
• 41:09
  Which
• 41:10
  shows
• 41:10
  how
• 41:10
  dramatic
• 41:11
  this
• 41:11
  can
• 41:11
  be
• 41:12
  for
• 41:12
  someone
• 41:12
  who
• 41:13
  takes,
• 41:14
  you
• 41:14
  know,
• 41:14
  this
• 41:14
  seriously
• 41:15
  as
• 41:15
  a
• 41:15
  young
• 41:15
  person.
• 41:16
  And
• 41:17
  fortunately,
• 41:17
  I
• 41:17
  didn't
• 41:17
  have
• 41:17
  enough
• 41:18
  courage
• 41:18
  to
• 41:18
  do
• 41:18
  it.
• 41:18
  But
• 41:19
  then
• 41:19
  I
• 41:19
  saw
• 41:19
  myself
• 41:19
  as
• 41:20
  both
• 41:20
  a
• 41:20
  coward
• 41:20
  and
• 41:21
  a
• 41:21
  sinner.
• 41:21
  And
• 41:21
  the
• 41:22
  reason
• 41:22
  I
• 41:22
  had
• 41:22
  to
• 41:22
  poke
• 41:22
  out
• 41:22
  both
• 41:23
  eyes
• 41:23
  is
• 41:23
  if
• 41:23
  I
• 41:23
  just
• 41:23
  poked
• 41:24
  out
• 41:24
  one
• 41:24
  eye,
• 41:24
  I
• 41:24
  wouldn't,
• 41:25
  you
• 41:25
  know,
• 41:25
  I'd
• 41:25
  still
• 41:26
  be
• 41:26
  able
• 41:26
  to
• 41:26
  see
• 41:26
  with
• 41:27
  one
• 41:27
  eye.
• 41:27
  That
• 41:27
  was
• 41:28
  tragic.
• 41:29
  And
• 41:29
  it
• 41:29
  was
• 41:29
  based
• 41:29
  on
• 41:30
  a
• 41:30
  text,
• 41:31
  you
• 41:31
  know,
• 41:31
  in
• 41:31
  the
• 41:31
  New
• 41:31
  Testament,
• 41:32
  if
• 41:32
  your
• 41:33
  eyes
• 41:33
  cause
• 41:33
  you
• 41:33
  to
• 41:33
  sin,
• 41:34
  it's
• 41:34
  better
• 41:34
  to
• 41:34
  have
• 41:35
  your
• 41:35
  eyes
• 41:35
  plucked
• 41:35
  out
• 41:35
  and
• 41:36
  go
• 41:36
  to
• 41:36
  heaven
• 41:36
  than
• 41:37
  to
• 41:37
  have
• 41:37
  your
• 41:38
  sight
• 41:38
  and
• 41:38
  go
• 41:38
  to
• 41:38
  hell.
• 41:39
  So,
• 41:39
  I
• 41:40
  mean,
• 41:40
  I
• 41:40
  just
• 41:40
  interpreted
• 41:40
  that
• 41:41
  literally.
• 41:41
  And
• 41:41
  I
• 41:42
  was
• 41:42
  in
• 41:42
  that
• 41:42
  form.
• 41:43
  So
• 41:43
  then.
• 41:44
  Then
• 41:44
  I
• 41:44
  evolved
• 41:45
  into
• 41:45
  a
• 41:46
  place
• 41:46
  where
• 41:46
  I
• 41:46
  became,
• 41:47
  in
• 41:47
  a
• 41:47
  very
• 41:47
  individualistic
• 41:48
  thing,
• 41:48
  which
• 41:49
  that
• 41:49
  religion
• 41:50
  is.
• 41:50
  It's
• 41:50
  about
• 41:50
  your
• 41:51
  individual
• 41:51
  salvation.
• 41:52
  I
• 41:53
  realized
• 41:53
  that
• 41:54
  I
• 41:54
  was
• 41:54
  loved
• 41:54
  just
• 41:54
  as
• 41:55
  I
• 41:55
  was.
• 41:55
  This
• 41:55
  was
• 41:56
  transformative
• 41:57
  for
• 41:57
  me.
• 41:57
  And
• 41:57
  I
• 41:57
  thought,
• 41:58
  this
• 41:58
  is
• 41:58
  really
• 41:59
  amazing.
• 42:00
  But
• 42:00
  I
• 42:00
  kept
• 42:00
  being
• 42:01
  bothered
• 42:01
  by
• 42:01
  the
• 42:01
  fact
• 42:01
  that
• 42:02
  there
• 42:02
  were
• 42:02
  all
• 42:02
  these
• 42:02
  people
• 42:02
  who
• 42:03
  didn't
• 42:03
  have
• 42:03
  the
• 42:03
  opportunity
• 42:04
  that
• 42:04
  I
• 42:04
  had
• 42:05
  to
• 42:05
  be
• 42:05
  aware
• 42:05
  of
• 42:05
  being
• 42:06
  loved
• 42:06
  and
• 42:07
  what
• 42:07
  would
• 42:07
  happen
• 42:07
  to
• 42:07
  them.
• 42:07
  So
• 42:08
  now
• 42:08
  all
• 42:08
  of
• 42:08
  them
• 42:08
  are
• 42:08
  going
• 42:09
  to
• 42:09
  hell.
• 42:09
  And
• 42:09
  I
• 42:09
  thought,
• 42:09
  this
• 42:09
  is
• 42:10
  not.
• 42:10
  This
• 42:10
  doesn't.
• 42:11
  There's
• 42:11
  something
• 42:11
  I
• 42:12
  was
• 42:12
  struggling
• 42:12
  with.
• 42:13
  So
• 42:13
  I
• 42:13
  struggled
• 42:14
  with
• 42:14
  that
• 42:14
  until
• 42:14
  I
• 42:15
  got
• 42:15
  an
• 42:15
  awareness
• 42:15
  when
• 42:15
  I
• 42:16
  just.
• 42:16
  When
• 42:16
  I
• 42:16
  was
• 42:16
  graduating
• 42:17
  from
• 42:17
  college
• 42:17
  in
• 42:17
  1965.
• 42:19
  And
• 42:19
  it
• 42:20
  hit
• 42:20
  me.
• 42:20
  Which
• 42:20
  was
• 42:21
  a.
• 42:21
  I
• 42:21
  now
• 42:21
  call
• 42:22
  it
• 42:22
  a
• 42:22
  mystical
• 42:22
  experience.
• 42:23
  Then
• 42:23
  I
• 42:23
  thought
• 42:23
  it
• 42:23
  was
• 42:23
  just
• 42:24
  I'll
• 42:24
  be
• 42:24
  damned.
• 42:24
  I
• 42:24
  just
• 42:25
  couldn't
• 42:25
  believe
• 42:25
  it.
• 42:25
  It
• 42:26
  was
• 42:26
  that
• 42:26
  in
• 42:26
  the
• 42:27
  traditional
• 42:27
  notion
• 42:28
  that,
• 42:28
  you
• 42:28
  know,
• 42:28
  there's
• 42:29
  heaven
• 42:29
  and
• 42:29
  hell,
• 42:29
  I
• 42:30
  thought
• 42:30
  no,
• 42:31
  the.
• 42:31
  The
• 42:31
  message
• 42:32
  of
• 42:32
  the
• 42:32
  life,
• 42:33
  death
• 42:33
  and
• 42:33
  resurrection
• 42:34
  of
• 42:34
  Jesus
• 42:34
  is
• 42:34
  that
• 42:34
  everybody's
• 42:35
  saved.
• 42:36
  It
• 42:36
  was
• 42:36
  a
• 42:36
  universalist
• 42:37
  assumption
• 42:38
  and
• 42:38
  I
• 42:38
  was
• 42:38
  just
• 42:39
  so
• 42:39
  captured
• 42:39
  by
• 42:39
  it,
• 42:40
  I
• 42:40
  couldn't
• 42:40
  even
• 42:40
  study
• 42:40
  for
• 42:41
  my
• 42:41
  final
• 42:41
  exams.
• 42:42
  And
• 42:42
  I
• 42:42
  started
• 42:43
  just
• 42:43
  telling
• 42:43
  people
• 42:43
  and
• 42:43
  people
• 42:44
  were
• 42:44
  pushing
• 42:44
  back
• 42:44
  like
• 42:45
  crazy
• 42:45
  as
• 42:45
  I
• 42:45
  was
• 42:45
  saying
• 42:46
  this
• 42:46
  and
• 42:47
  I.
• 42:48
  And
• 42:48
  so
• 42:48
  I
• 42:49
  wrote
• 42:49
  a.
• 42:49
  Wrote
• 42:49
  a
• 42:50
  small
• 42:50
  book
• 42:51
  about
• 42:51
  it,
• 42:52
  went
• 42:52
  to
• 42:52
  New
• 42:52
  York
• 42:53
  and
• 42:53
  I
• 42:54
  wrote
• 42:54
  just
• 42:54
  a
• 42:54
  small
• 42:55
  book
• 42:55
  on
• 42:55
  it.
• 42:55
  It's
• 42:56
  called
• 42:56
  all
• 42:57
  and
• 42:57
  now
• 42:58
  the
• 42:58
  cycle.
• 42:59
  This
• 42:59
  was
• 42:59
  65.
• 43:00
  So
• 43:02
  however
• 43:02
  many
• 43:02
  years
• 43:02
  ago.
• 43:03
  That
• 43:03
  was
• 43:04
  60
• 43:04
  years
• 43:04
  ago.
• 43:06
  The
• 43:06
  book
• 43:06
  and
• 43:07
  is
• 43:07
  also
• 43:07
  a
• 43:08
  three
• 43:08
  letter
• 43:08
  word.
• 43:08
  And
• 43:09
  I'm
• 43:09
  saying
• 43:09
  the
• 43:09
  same
• 43:09
  thing.
• 43:10
  It's
• 43:10
  just,
• 43:12
  it's.
• 43:13
  It's
• 43:13
  got
• 43:13
  a
• 43:13
  little
• 43:13
  more
• 43:14
  experience
• 43:15
  behind
• 43:15
  it.
• 43:16
  Yeah.
• 43:16
  So
• 43:17
  anyway,
• 43:18
  I
• 43:18
  was
• 43:18
  on
• 43:19
  to
• 43:19
  something
• 43:19
  there
• 43:20
  that
• 43:20
  I
• 43:20
  didn't
• 43:21
  appreciate
• 43:22
  how
• 43:23
  wonderful
• 43:23
  it
• 43:24
  was.
• 43:24
  And
• 43:25
  I'm
• 43:25
  appreciating
• 43:26
  more
• 43:26
  and
• 43:26
  more
• 43:27
  just
• 43:27
  in
• 43:27
  this
• 43:27
  conversation
• 43:28
  with
• 43:28
  you
• 43:28
  about
• 43:29
  how
• 43:29
  wonderful
• 43:30
  that
• 43:30
  our
• 43:31
  universal
• 43:31
  interdependence
• 43:33
  is
• 43:33
  a
• 43:34
  manifestation
• 43:35
  of
• 43:35
  divine
• 43:36
  unconditional
• 43:36
  love.
• 43:37
  And
• 43:37
  we
• 43:37
  can
• 43:38
  see
• 43:38
  it.
• 43:38
  You
• 43:39
  can
• 43:39
  look
• 43:39
  either
• 43:39
  place
• 43:39
  and
• 43:40
  you
• 43:40
  don't
• 43:40
  have
• 43:40
  to
• 43:40
  even
• 43:40
  believe
• 43:41
  in
• 43:41
  a
• 43:41
  deity
• 43:42
  to.
• 43:43
  It's
• 43:44
  not
• 43:44
  about
• 43:44
  believing
• 43:45
  it.
• 43:45
  It's
• 43:45
  about
• 43:46
  just
• 43:47
  appreciating
• 43:47
  our.
• 43:48
  Our
• 43:48
  universal
• 43:49
  interdependence.
• 43:51
  Wow,
• 43:51
  that's
• 43:51
  such
• 43:51
  a
• 43:52
  beautiful
• 43:53
  story
• 43:53
  and
• 43:53
  unfolding,
• 43:54
  Barry,
• 43:55
  and
• 43:55
  an
• 43:56
  exquisite
• 43:56
  example
• 43:57
  of
• 43:57
  the
• 43:57
  way
• 43:57
  that
• 43:58
  any
• 43:58
  profound
• 43:59
  realization
• 44:00
  can
• 44:01
  continue
• 44:02
  to
• 44:02
  open
• 44:02
  its
• 44:03
  implications
• 44:03
  for
• 44:04
  us
• 44:04
  over
• 44:04
  a
• 44:04
  lifetime.
• 44:05
  Yeah.
• 44:06
  And
• 44:06
  maybe
• 44:07
  Beena,
• 44:07
  that
• 44:07
  would.
• 44:07
  This
• 44:08
  would
• 44:08
  be
• 44:08
  a
• 44:08
  way
• 44:09
  back
• 44:09
  into
• 44:10
  allowing
• 44:10
  you
• 44:11
  to
• 44:11
  add
• 44:12
  to
• 44:12
  your.
• 44:13
  What
• 44:13
  you
• 44:13
  told
• 44:13
  us
• 44:14
  about
• 44:14
  development.
• 44:14
  Because
• 44:15
  I
• 44:15
  think
• 44:15
  you
• 44:15
  pointed
• 44:16
  to
• 44:16
  the
• 44:16
  fact
• 44:16
  that
• 44:17
  development
• 44:18
  emphasizes
• 44:19
  both.
• 44:19
  There
• 44:19
  are
• 44:19
  shifts
• 44:20
  in
• 44:20
  both
• 44:20
  content
• 44:20
  and
• 44:21
  process.
• 44:22
  And
• 44:22
  you
• 44:23
  came
• 44:23
  to
• 44:23
  the
• 44:23
  process,
• 44:24
  but
• 44:24
  you
• 44:24
  didn't
• 44:24
  talk
• 44:25
  about
• 44:25
  the
• 44:25
  content
• 44:26
  of
• 44:26
  what
• 44:27
  polarities
• 44:27
  emerge
• 44:28
  at
• 44:28
  different
• 44:28
  stages.
• 44:30
  Stay
• 44:30
  with
• 44:31
  us
• 44:31
  for
• 44:31
  part
• 44:31
  three,
• 44:32
  where
• 44:32
  we
• 44:32
  dive
• 44:33
  deeper
• 44:33
  into
• 44:33
  polarity
• 44:34
  management
• 44:34
  and
• 44:35
  its
• 44:35
  applications
• 44:36
  to
• 44:36
  contemporary
• 44:37
  social,
• 44:37
  political
• 44:38
  and
• 44:38
  global
• 44:38
  crises,
• 44:39
  as
• 44:39
  well
• 44:40
  as
• 44:40
  how
• 44:40
  to
• 44:40
  become
• 44:40
  more
• 44:41
  effective
• 44:41
  and
• 44:41
  masterful
• 44:42
  in
• 44:42
  our
• 44:42
  own
• 44:43
  lives.
• 44:43
  Thank
• 44:44
  you
• 44:44
  very
• 44:44
  much
• 44:44
  for
• 44:45
  being
• 44:45
  a
• 44:45
  part
• 44:45
  of
• 44:46
  this
• 44:46
  conversation.
• 44:47
  We
• 44:47
  hope
• 44:47
  that
• 44:47
  you
• 44:48
  were
• 44:48
  moved
• 44:48
  as
• 44:48
  we
• 44:49
  are
• 44:49
  moved,
• 44:49
  being
• 44:49
  part
• 44:50
  of
• 44:50
  it
• 44:50
  ourselves.
• 44:51
  We'd
• 44:51
  also
• 44:51
  like
• 44:52
  to
• 44:52
  say
• 44:52
  that
• 44:52
  this
• 44:52
  is
• 44:53
  being
• 44:53
  funded
• 44:54
  by
• 44:54
  Roger
• 44:54
  and
• 44:54
  myself.
• 44:55
  It
• 44:55
  comes
• 44:55
  out
• 44:55
  of
• 44:55
  our
• 44:55
  pockets.
• 44:56
  So
• 44:56
  if
• 44:56
  you
• 44:56
  would
• 44:56
  like
• 44:57
  to
• 44:57
  help
• 44:57
  us
• 44:57
  to.
• 44:58
  Mainly
• 44:59
  to
• 44:59
  get
• 44:59
  this
• 44:59
  podcast
• 45:00
  out
• 45:00
  to
• 45:00
  more
• 45:00
  people
• 45:00
  because
• 45:01
  the
• 45:01
  bigger
• 45:01
  audience
• 45:02
  have.
• 45:02
  Which
• 45:02
  is
• 45:02
  steadily
• 45:03
  growing,
• 45:03
  but
• 45:03
  the
• 45:03
  more
• 45:04
  people
• 45:04
  we
• 45:04
  can
• 45:04
  reach
• 45:04
  and
• 45:04
  the
• 45:05
  more
• 45:05
  marketing
• 45:05
  we
• 45:05
  can
• 45:06
  do,
• 45:06
  the
• 45:06
  more
• 45:06
  positive
• 45:07
  effect
• 45:07
  we
• 45:07
  can
• 45:08
  have
• 45:08
  on
• 45:08
  the
• 45:08
  world.
• 45:08
  So
• 45:09
  we've
• 45:09
  done
• 45:09
  that
• 45:09
  a
• 45:09
  couple
• 45:10
  of
• 45:10
  ways,
• 45:10
  but
• 45:10
  we'd
• 45:10
  like
• 45:10
  you
• 45:11
  to
• 45:11
  buy
• 45:11
  us
• 45:11
  a
• 45:11
  cup
• 45:12
  of
• 45:12
  coffee.
• 45:12
  Very
• 45:12
  simple.
• 45:13
  And
• 45:13
  I
• 45:13
  do
• 45:13
  that
• 45:13
  with
• 45:14
  podcasts
• 45:15
  that
• 45:15
  I
• 45:15
  support,
• 45:16
  and
• 45:16
  I
• 45:16
  find
• 45:17
  it
• 45:17
  very
• 45:17
  satisfying.
• 45:18
  So
• 45:18
  thank
• 45:18
  you
• 45:18
  for
• 45:19
  your
• 45:19
  help,
• 45:19
  thank
• 45:19
  you
• 45:20
  for
• 45:20
  your
• 45:20
  presence,
• 45:20
  and
• 45:20
  thank
• 45:21
  you
• 45:21
  for
• 45:21
  all
• 45:21
  you
• 45:22
  are
• 45:22
  and
• 45:22
  all
• 45:22
  you
• 45:22
  do.
• 45:23
  We
• 45:23
  love
• 45:23
  you.
• 45:39
  Sam.