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Steven Rinella _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _610(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is a renowned outdoorsman. He's a hunter. He's
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  Speaker 1: a survivalist. He has his own show, Meat Eater, on
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  Speaker 1: Netflix as well as his podcast. I had a great
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  Speaker 1: time learning about some of the beautiful and brutal aspects
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  Speaker 1: of our world. Today's guest is Mr. Steve Ranella. Follow
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  Speaker 1: me and I will follow. Oh, you're having a little, huh?
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  Speaker 1: You having a little bit of that?
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  Speaker 2: I'm familiar with that product.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, hell yeah, brother. We just gave something to an
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  Speaker 1: Amish kid the other day. Never had it, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Did he like it?
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  Speaker 1: What, Celsius?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when you gave it to him, did he
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  Speaker 2: dig it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he definitely couldn't bend his arms for a
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  Speaker 1: couple minutes. It hit him hard. I mean, brother.
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  Speaker 2: Just unfamiliar.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, something like something, you know. You put
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  Speaker 1: that brain petrol that is Celsius into a damn Amish.
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: He might want to plug in something in.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he might. I thought he was going to
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  Speaker 1: get down.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to put his finger in that. He wants
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  Speaker 2: to find out what it's all about. He's going to
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  Speaker 2: put his finger in that socket, man.
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  Speaker 1: I thought he was going to get court-martialed right there
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  Speaker 1: or something. I didn't know what was going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What was the circumstances you were hanging out with the
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  Speaker 2: Amish guy?
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  Speaker 1: We finally got a hold of one.
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  Speaker 2: You were seeking some woodwork?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, we finally got a hold
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  Speaker 1: of one. We had been trying to... not capture an
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  Speaker 1: Amish or whatever. I don't know what the terminology is,
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  Speaker 1: but we've been trying to, um, wrangle one, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: because you can't get ahold of them. You know, you
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  Speaker 1: can put messages out there. You can do message in
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  Speaker 1: a bottle or shit. They don't reply to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that. And so finally we had a guy who
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  Speaker 1: was on Rum Springer. He was on their kind of like, um,
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  Speaker 1: it's like spring break for the Amish. And, uh, and
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  Speaker 1: he came to a comedy show. There he is right there.
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  Speaker 2: And, um, well on Rum Springer, he looks young for
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  Speaker 2: Rum Springer.
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  Speaker 1: He's young. He got out there, and he brought me
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  Speaker 1: this hat, too. And he came. Great kid, though. We
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  Speaker 1: learned so much about it. But he'd never seen so
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  Speaker 1: many things. It was unbelievable. But he'd never had a
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  Speaker 1: hit of Celsius when we got it in him. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's got his Rumspringer documented.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But it might make it difficult for him to integrate
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  Speaker 2: back in.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because people, well, maybe his community won't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't, I mean, yeah, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be a good, it'd be a good honesty test.
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  Speaker 2: If they know, you'll know they violated.
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  Speaker 1: How did they know?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's a good point actually. So we're helping out. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But it was just interesting to get to talk to
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  Speaker 1: somebody who'd lived like a, you know, it's a total
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  Speaker 1: different life than, than the average American probably.
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  Speaker 2: Are you making a show right now? Or is this pre,
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  Speaker 2: are we pre-making the show?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, this can be the show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we can start into it. Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's one type of person who kind of
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  Speaker 1: has their own like way of living. Yep. And you're
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  Speaker 1: another type of person who has had a unique life
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  Speaker 1: and has like.
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  Speaker 2: Good, good, good transition.
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  Speaker 1: Was it?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, damn. I thought it was going to be, I think,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. But no, you
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  Speaker 1: have a show on Netflix called Meat Eater. And you
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  Speaker 1: guys are in your, you guys are.
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  Speaker 2: We made a lot. I got a 13th season of
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  Speaker 2: the show coming out. We've made many, many, many episodes
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  Speaker 2: over the years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And they appear in a lot of different places.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen some of them on YouTube. I've gotten to
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  Speaker 1: enjoy some of them. So thank you so much, man.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely exciting to watch. It's really beautifully shot, too,
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  Speaker 1: you guys' show.
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  Speaker 2: You went turkey hunting with Mike Waddell, I heard.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I did. Yeah, I went down there. And
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  Speaker 1: it was fun, but it's like, I don't know, some
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  Speaker 1: of the turkey, it's like, They just seem like an
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  Speaker 1: unwell bird.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean? Turkeys. Unwell in what way?
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  Speaker 1: They just don't seem like they're... Like a top... Like...
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say like they.
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  Speaker 2: On it.
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  Speaker 1: Like... I don't want to say uneducated. They just seem
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  Speaker 1: like they.
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  Speaker 1: Like they got picked last for gym, kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Really? Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: About a turkey?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look at a turkey, they just seem
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  Speaker 1: like they.
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  Speaker 3: Like.
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  Speaker 1: They can't do... They just are... Yeah, they just, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. They weren't doing a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, it's a big-ass bird. His head changes colors from
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  Speaker 2: red to white to blue. He tastes good. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 2: basically the Toby.
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  Speaker 1: Keith of turkeys.
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  Speaker 2: They fucking walk around the woods making insane noises.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But, I mean, like, it's an omnivore. It can eat
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now you're selling me on it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Waddell didn't tell me all that. Name a better bird.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you could be, oh, a bald eagle. He
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  Speaker 2: eats a bunch of rotten fish from the side. Like
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  Speaker 2: a turkey, that's America's bird, dude. Are you familiar with
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  Speaker 2: a gentleman named Ben Franklin?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Did you know that Franklin didn't like the bald
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  Speaker 2: eagle as a national bird because it was a scavenger?
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  Speaker 2: And he threw out some– it's debated how honest you–
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  Speaker 2: it's debated if he was trying to be a smartass
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  Speaker 2: or not. Ben Franklin said America ought to go– With
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  Speaker 2: the wild turkey, because at least it's a vein bird.
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  Speaker 1: What does vein bird mean?
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  Speaker 2: It's beautiful. He puffs his feather. The male puffs his
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  Speaker 2: feathers all out. Yeah. He's got a snood. He's got like,
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  Speaker 2: imagine like a pecker on your, laid across your face. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That changes all the time. It gets erect. It goes limp.
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  Speaker 1: Turkey has that? Yeah, dude.
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  Speaker 2: To just come in and start disparaging a turkey right
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  Speaker 2: off the top of the bat. You don't know me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just, okay, I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 2: It's like very, it's disrespectful. That is the best bird
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  Speaker 2: in our country. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, no one's ever, first of all, lobbied for
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  Speaker 1: this animal in front of me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Franklin. Not in front of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know him personally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you don't know how old I am.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I was there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you.
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  Speaker 1: But no, Waddell did not. Waddell was just like, we're
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  Speaker 1: killing these MFers. And he used some slurs. I'll say
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  Speaker 1: that straight up. He used a couple slurs, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I don't think those are for birds or
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  Speaker 1: animalia even. But he was– I think I just had
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  Speaker 1: a unique angle into it. Tell me more about that
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  Speaker 1: nose wiener that they got or that nose– It's called
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  Speaker 1: a snood.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Bring it up.
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  Speaker 2: They got– see you get into turkey anatomy man they
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  Speaker 2: got a lot going on for them they got a
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  Speaker 2: snood there's not many birds that have like basically uh
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  Speaker 2: so they have a cloaca like birds have a cloaca
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  Speaker 2: like called like a uni hole all their actions defecating
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  Speaker 2: taking a leak well when they defecate and take a
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  Speaker 2: leak it's kind of a single deal okay i'll do
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  Speaker 2: that have sex through the uni hole when they shit
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  Speaker 2: You can tell a male from a female by the
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  Speaker 2: shape of its shit.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: A male throws a J-shaped hooked shit. So there's not
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  Speaker 2: many birds you can sex his shit. Yeah. He's got
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  Speaker 2: a snood. They got spurs. Sometimes an inch and a
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  Speaker 2: quarter long for fighting.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You ever been to a cockfight?
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: They got spurs.
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  Speaker 3: Look at that.
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  Speaker 2: Some of those spurs are so big you can hang
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  Speaker 2: the turkey by the spur on a branch. That's called
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  Speaker 2: a limb hanger. That means he's huge. Pull up the beard.
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  Speaker 2: Pull up the beard.
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  Speaker 1: Pull up the beard.
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  Speaker 2: They got a beard, which is actually a feather. Look
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  Speaker 2: at that.
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  Speaker 3: Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Let me see it.
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  Speaker 2: When he's big, when that gets so big that it
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  Speaker 2: drags on the ground, you know what you call them?
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  Speaker 1: Rope dragger.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So you got limb hangers, rope draggers. Yeah, like, it's just,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of. Okay. I could, you know, I could
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  Speaker 2: walk out of this room right now. Okay. And it'd
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  Speaker 2: be like, you know what I mean? Yeah. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, first of all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you talk bad about America's bird.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And look, I'm glad that I know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to get up and storm out, dude.
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  Speaker 1: You might.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: But look, you won't storm out without teaching me something,
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  Speaker 1: I'll say that. And I didn't know any of that.
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  Speaker 2: Turkeys are great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Their head changes from red, white to blue. It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like they knew that they were going to be
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  Speaker 2: America's bird.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. They're the fucking Trace Adkins of birds.
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  Speaker 2: When they get real excited, like when you see, when
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  Speaker 2: he's coming in and his head gets that whitish color
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  Speaker 2: to it, he is fired up.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so what does that mean when their head changes
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  Speaker 1: to different colors? Oh, look at this guy.
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  Speaker 3: Blue and white.
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  Speaker 1: He's torn between some feelings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, blue and white, he's in. He's like.
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  Speaker 2: Blue and white, he's coming in. You hunt them in
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  Speaker 2: the spring during the breeding season.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Blue and white, he's coming in and he's thinking about ass.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so he's looking for sex. But Waddell had us.
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  Speaker 1: We were in the off-seat. They were in the locker
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  Speaker 1: room when we went to chase him. They were not
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  Speaker 1: even on the field. They were fucking back there getting
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  Speaker 1: physical there. I mean, we were in some– I was like,
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  Speaker 1: should we even– Yeah, some of them had their towels
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  Speaker 1: around their necks. They were sending their texts to their wives.
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  Speaker 1: There was the off-season.
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  Speaker 2: If he's coming in, you see a blue head.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, he's coming in, he's
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  Speaker 2: all puffed out. Another thing. I know, I'm sorry. You
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  Speaker 2: heard the big gobble. Yes. If you're telling a turkey
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  Speaker 2: hunting story, and you get to the part of the
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  Speaker 2: story where, picture you're telling a story that has a
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  Speaker 2: gun in it. Okay. And we get to the part
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  Speaker 2: of the story where the gun goes off. You go like,
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  Speaker 2: and I heard bang.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's not what it sounds like. Right. But you go bang.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. A friend of mine's Latvian. And when they hear,
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  Speaker 2: when they get to a part of a story where
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  Speaker 2: the gun goes off, they say, blouch.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're telling a turkey story and you've got.
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to make the gobble noise so in a
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  Speaker 2: story you'd go yeah but it's like but if you
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  Speaker 2: when he's coming in like if he's coming in and
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  Speaker 2: he thinks he's coming into a hen you're making a
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  Speaker 2: hen noise and.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So the noise that the man that Michael
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  Speaker 1: Waddell was making, and he makes that noise really well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. He's the best of the best.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I mean, he was calling a couple of fucking,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even some busty chicks from the gas station.
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  Speaker 2: No, he was like a competitive. Yeah, so he's making
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  Speaker 2: a hand noise.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, dudes were coming out of the closet when he
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  Speaker 1: was doing it. I mean, he'll get people going.
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  Speaker 2: No, he's very good. And what would happen in the
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  Speaker 2: natural setting there is the gobbler is just cruising.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and the gobbler is that big male turkey.
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  Speaker 2: He's a big male turkey. He's cruising. And chicks are
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  Speaker 2: supposed to hear him.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And he's kind of got his little route, and they're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to kind of come into him. So he's on
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  Speaker 2: the highway, going down the highway, and they're kind of
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  Speaker 2: coming on the ramps.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, the on-ramps.
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  Speaker 2: To catch him. Oh, so it's kind of like— So
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  Speaker 2: what you're trying to do is you're trying to get
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  Speaker 2: him to be like, well, I'm going to go over
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  Speaker 2: there and have a see, like— That's not normally what
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  Speaker 2: I would do. Right. But what is going on over there?
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  Speaker 2: I need to go out of my way now to
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  Speaker 2: go have a see.
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  Speaker 1: Ah.
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  Speaker 2: What's happening. When he's coming, you see like a blue head.
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  Speaker 2: And he's coming and he's going like this. You can't
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  Speaker 2: hear it. Like if you hear it, he's in range.
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  Speaker 2: He's going. Here's what it sounds like. He's going. He's
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  Speaker 2: doing two things. He's spitting.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: He's making a noise. We always goof on it and
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  Speaker 2: go like. But it's like. He's making a noise with
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  Speaker 2: his mouth. Okay. And he's taking his wings and on
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  Speaker 2: the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And that is the, that is like extremely exciting noise
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  Speaker 2: to hear.
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  Speaker 1: So the first part is with their actual, they do
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  Speaker 1: it with their mouth. And the second part they do
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  Speaker 1: with their wings on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: He's drumming.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So it's a real mating call. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like you'll, you'll hear him. Like you'll hear him. He's
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  Speaker 2: kind of like making, he's like doing a vocalization. He's
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  Speaker 2: doing a vocalization, but like he's got his, his wings
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  Speaker 2: on the ground. OK. And you'll even see you'll sometimes
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  Speaker 2: be going down a sandy trail or something. You'll see
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  Speaker 2: the wing drags and you can tell that one's been
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  Speaker 2: cutting it out there. And they do this little dance.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, it's the best thing in the world. But he's
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  Speaker 2: coming in and all of a sudden his head turns red.
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  Speaker 2: His head turns red and lifts up. And if he
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  Speaker 2: goes games up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he knows.
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  Speaker 2: He knows that he knows that he knows that it's
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  Speaker 2: not good. Like when you hear that noise, he's on
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  Speaker 2: his way out. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But what's the problem? Wait, when you hear what noise
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  Speaker 1: he's on the way out though?
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  Speaker 2: When he putts.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, when he putts.
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  Speaker 2: His head goes boom, red, lifts up and putts. He's gone.
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  Speaker 2: But they don't do anything too quick. But that's his
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  Speaker 2: way of saying like, I don't like it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't about ladies anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's about dudes being secretive. Mm-hmm. Pretending they're women.
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  Speaker 2: No, they're like an absolutely fascinating bird.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I took- Wow. Yeah, I didn't know, man.
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  Speaker 1: Years ago, like you've been, you know Rogan.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. I took turkey hunting with him years ago and
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  Speaker 2: he wound up being kind of underwhelmed by turkeys. There
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  Speaker 2: might be something like, uh, like some kind of like
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  Speaker 2: offshoot of being a comedian is that you can't appreciate turkeys. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I think there's, I think that there might be something
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  Speaker 2: to that.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question. I think, oh, I remember watching this.
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  Speaker 1: He had Brian Callen, too, which was, that's hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't appreciate turkeys. Drove me, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Turkey people do not like it. If you
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  Speaker 1: do not like talking, being, thinking about turkeys. No, if
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  Speaker 1: you just said something bad about my three kids, I'd
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I see that. I'd be like, yeah,
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: that's fair. But like with the turkey deal, no. Right,
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: it's baked, yeah. Turkey's baked into American history. I didn't
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: know that much about turkeys. I think if I knew
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: some of this- And maybe I didn't ask enough stuff.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: I think if I'd have asked more stuff and I'd
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: have known a little bit more of the lore, I
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: think I probably would have been more hyped about it.
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: Can I hear you with one more lore bit? Yeah, sure.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: So when Europeans arrived in North America, there were turkeys.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: They think there may be turkeys in like 34 states.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: And then they were extirpated from many of those states
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: because they were good to eat. Everybody wanted to eat them.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: People would hunt them at night, shoot them out of
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: the trees at night. It was a popular food item.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: And they nearly wiped them out. And it got to
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: where there's only turkeys hiding out in like the deepest
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: patches of swamps, up in the highest mountain woods, you know,
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: hiding out here and there. And it got bad, right?
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: There was only a couple states where you're allowed to
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: hunt them anymore. And then they started putting them back
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: out there. You can hunt turkeys now in 49 states.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: You can hunt turkeys now in more states than had turkeys.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: A cost to that of the bird is that people
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: now take the bird for granted. Like from a PR standpoint,
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: I was talking about eagles earlier. From a PR standpoint,
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: eagles are kind of everywhere now. There's still people who'll
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: see an eagle and they'll be like, oh my God,
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: an eagle.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: They're like, but dude.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: You know, we have a little shack in Alaska and
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: you might see 13 eagles in one tree.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: So from a PR standpoint, they have a little bit of,
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: they like, you risk overexposure as a bird. Turkeys are
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: so everywhere now that now we have like town turkeys.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: But there's wandering around like stray animals.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: And so the mystique, it like, it costs them some
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: of their mystique.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Ah.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: And then people will get a sense from town turkeys,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: which aren't hunted. They'll get a sense of that a
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: turkey is whatever. that he's not cautious, that he's not careful, right?
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Right, that he'll just use any crosswalk or whatever.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of times when people disparage the turkey,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: they're referring to some town turkey, but they don't know
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: what a turkey he's out there busting ass in the
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: woods with people trying to kill him and coyotes trying
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: to kill him and bobcats trying to kill him and
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: red fox trying to kill him and possums eating their
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: eggs and skunks eating their eggs and raccoons eating their eggs.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Great horned owls blasting them out of trees and they
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: survived through all that. So when I think of a turkey,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking of a persecuted turkey. Some people are thinking
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: of a town turkey.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: It's just different.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I was probably thinking of like, yeah,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a turkey right there.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: It's almost. Town turkey.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Catching a bus to work or whatever. I mean,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: that's fucking unbelievable. That's what's going on. But no, I didn't.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. I mean, I think that gives me
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: like definitely a different appreciation for him. I didn't know
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: they had so much baked in. Like, they're such a
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: thermometer of, like, sexual activity. And so many, like, little
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: ratings are relevant right on them and the way that
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: they operate and the sounds that they make.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: They're a dynamic bird.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: And that I'll agree to 100%, man.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: So all, like, here's another thing about them. Can I
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: give you one more?
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Most of the domestic animals that we utilize, okay, when
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: you go into a store and and you see what's
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: for sale down there for domestic meats, you know, whether
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: you buy, you buy weird shit, like you buy lamb, goat, uh, pork, uh, beef. Okay.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: That's all, that all winds up being like Eurasian species
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: of Eurasian origin that became domesticated.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And when you say Eurasian, what are you talking about?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: You're talking about animals, animals that are indigenous animals that
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: are endemic to Europe and Asia became like the domestics
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: that we know today.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: So when you see like a horse, that's a Eurasian creature.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Cattle came from a thing called the Oryx.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Goats came from other continents. Sheep, other continents. The turkey
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: is uniquely North American.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Okay. So when the Spanish came, they took turkeys. They
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: drew turkeys from Mesoamerica. Brought them back to Europe and
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: turned them into like the white looking butterball turkeys through
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: selective breeding and then brought those turkeys back to the
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: new world. But it's like the new world's contribution. It's
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: North America's contribution to the domesticated species that we know
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: and love today.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: So if you go into a meat market and you're like,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: they got all the normal shit laid out. Turkey is
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: one that you're like, that's origin is here. It's a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: new world creature. Because the new world didn't produce domestics.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: We haven't effectively domesticated new world animals, but the turkey
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: is an exception.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Wow, so that really is kind of our national animal, huh?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, dude.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: You think it's our most national animal, not just bird?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I can't answer that. I haven't thought about that before.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. damn dude no thanks bro yeah i think it's
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: interesting like you had to learn about that kind of
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: stuff i when i was growing up and stuff i
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: didn't have like a lot of influence like in that
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: kind of world you know like the wildlife world yeah
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: i think hunting or something i mean the first thing
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: i mean i saw a buddy of mine get shot
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: by a couple brothers at mardi gras once that was
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: like my intro to hunting you know like and i
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: was like oh shit do you live or die huh
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: he lived yeah where did he get hit he got
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: hit in the back kind of right here just a
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: stray bullet um yeah look like.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: A like aimed at him or he just caught a.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Bullet aimed at him.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, I got it.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Or like semi-aimed, I guess. Yeah. I mean, the guy
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: looked like he didn't know what he was doing that much,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: but he was shooting.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, you know, I said, I wanted to ask
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: you a question. I wanted to ask, like, how many
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: years did you spend growing up in Louisiana? When I was,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I was reading up on your background a little bit
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and you spent time in Illinois, but also in Louisiana.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I spent time in Louisiana until I think I was
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: maybe 21 or 22. And, um, but yeah, we'd go
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: up to Illinois in the, in the, uh, in the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: summers and fish. We did a ton of fishing and
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: we would do a good bit of fishing in Louisiana, but, um,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I just never really got into hunting. The first time
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I ever went hunting was with Michael Waddell.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: What I wanted with Louisiana, have you, that was the
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: last state I ever went to. And I mean like
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: went to, went to was Louisiana. Have you, did you switch?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Did you switch to Gulf of America? No, you didn't switch.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: No, I would be well, I want to see how
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: it pans out first because Mexico bring it up. Let's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: get a look at that big puddle brother. Because what
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to see is Where is most of the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: land around it?
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Well, shit all over the place. Northern South America.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I think you do a year for each area. Like
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: maybe you do like everybody gets a year and then
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you look back and see how good that year was.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: You do like, and then they get it. You know
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? You get one year to operate that
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: MFR and then you see who really owns that bitch.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: That's to me, that's like a fair way to do it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Um, Yeah, the reason I was asked about it is
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: once I found out about Louisiana, we filmed a couple.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: We filmed a number of episodes down there. I started
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: going there with friends because we spear fished the oil rigs.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: And so right when all that shit was heating up, okay,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: we're like cutting an episode about that was filmed out
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: in the Gulf. And between the time I wrote the
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: VO and the time we recorded the VO, all this
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: shit hit the fan. OK, so I'm sitting there and
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: in my in my script, it's Gulf of Mexico. But
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: then it switches. So we're in the studio and I'm
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: talking to my colleagues and we're trying to decide what
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: way we roll on it. We tried doing like a joke.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: We tried doing like the Gulf of, you know, but
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: then we thought that's like a dated joke. And in
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: the end, after careful contemplation, I was like, I can't switch. Yeah.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Like I'm old, you know, I'm, I'm half a century old.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: It's just, it's maybe I'll leave it to the youngers, but, um,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: for me, I, I, I can't like, I can't do it.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I can't switch.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It just seemed kind of like, I think you
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: got to figure out who's going to earn it. I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: think you got to find some way, maybe there's a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: competition each year. And then between Mexico and America and
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: some of the other countries, those are smaller countries that
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: are touching it. I think like Cuba, uh, It ain't
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: going to be the Gulf of Cuba. Yeah, they probably
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: wouldn't let that happen. But I think you have a
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: competition each year, and whoever wins it, they get to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: name it. Maybe it's a soccer game or something, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: whoever wins it, they get it for their year.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Fishing contest.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of fucking dope, actually.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Like a soccer tournament isn't really applicable.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's applicable, Steve. And what I'm going
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: to tell you is this, brother. That's as far as
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I got with that. But I think the soccer would
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: be fun because a lot of people love soccer. That's
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: what I'm thinking, you know. But, yeah, maybe it's a
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: fishing rodeo or something.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: But I think then aren't they automatically going to kick
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: our ass?
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I was trying to think of something we'd win better.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's a– and this would actually be– this is
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: actually a great idea, I think. It's 10 events. It's
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Mexico and America.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yes. Look at all the shit, man. Yeah. Swimming in there.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Hunting on the.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Edge of it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I wonder if we could get.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Spear fishing it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Spear fishing and just fucking somebody singing near the edge
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and seeing if a fish will swim up. That's fishing.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: You know, I was going to tell you about these.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I told your producer this. Guys I work with were
• 23:04
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• 23:08
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• 23:10
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• 23:21
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• 23:24
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• 26:01
  Speaker 2: He's going to make some turkey noises. I think that's
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: a good idea. I like him, man. He's a fun guy.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's so great, dude. I get to spend, we
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• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I would say volume control and going from soft to aggressive,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: if that's the way you want to call it, or louder.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It's important to find a diaphragm.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: If you get those tones and you can control that,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: it don't have to sound perfect. My opinion on turkey calling,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: rhythm is more important than specifically the sound of it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: That's what I've been saying. That's what I've been saying. Dude,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I think one thing that would be cool, I wonder
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: if he could put together almost like a animal call
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: orchestra where it was like you had this sort of
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: like like an orchestra pit and somebody was like the
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: conductor and they had all the animal calls.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: That's a good idea.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It'd be kind of neat.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: We got, I was hip on this idea for a while.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: We didn't take it as far as I wanted to,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: but what I wanted to do is I got a directional,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: we bought a directional mic and I wanted to build
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: a catalog of, I didn't know what I was, I
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: never thought about what I was going to do with it.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: We actually bought the damn thing. I wanted to build
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: a catalog of animal noises.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: So we picked up different, noises and then kind of
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: abandoned it. I think because I didn't know what, we
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: hadn't really decided what we were going to do with them.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I could think of something.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I just wanted them.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Like a great catalog of animal noises that people wouldn't know.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: You could do a couple things with them that come
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: into my mind. One of them is you could. The orchestra. Yeah, create,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: have that. A second one is people that are deceased,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: put a special headset on them. It guarantees it'll play
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: for 30 years or whatever. They get to have that.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: All the best animals of the world. on the way out.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: A third idea, I think it could be neat, would
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: be if you created, oh, this would be cool. You
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: create one of those things. I shouldn't say it'd be cool.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Who knows? Might be horrible. I don't think it's that great.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say it. What it is, is it's
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: like one of those white noise machines, but it's all
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the fucking animals, dude. And it's Steve Rinella's fucking, come
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: sleep with Steve, it's called.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: That's a great thing, man. I gotta check with my
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: wife on that shit.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Oh no, every now and then, every now and then
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: in the distance of the animals, you hear Steve's wife
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: be like, it better just be you in there. But
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: that's what, it's a special machine and it's all, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: then every now and then you can go to different
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: regions of the world and hear them. You can go
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to Africa.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Sleep with me in Africa. Sleep with me in Asia
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: or whatever.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Sleep with me in Alabama and every now and then
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: there's just some country dude and he's like, oh, something's
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go fuck one of these things or whatever.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: You're like, whoa, whoa, buddy. But it's just like a
• 28:55
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• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Are you hip to the app Merlin?
• 29:02
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• 29:12
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• 29:15
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  Speaker 1: Meat Eater Podcast. So.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: When you're out in your yard and you hear birds
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  Speaker 2: off in the distance, anywhere, and you open it up,
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  Speaker 2: it just listens and tells you what birds. It's a
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  Speaker 2: phenomenal app. The reason I bring that up is it's
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  Speaker 2: what's what is harmful to people's uh self-esteem is when
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  Speaker 2: you're turkey hunting and you're making you're mimicking the noises
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  Speaker 2: so we'll open up merlin and be like oh Is
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  Speaker 2: it picking you up or not, bro? Is it saying
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  Speaker 2: there's a turkey over there? Is it not saying there's
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  Speaker 2: a turkey over there? Yeah. Like I got friends that
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  Speaker 2: put enormous amounts of energy into learning how to mimic
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  Speaker 2: the call of a barred owl.
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  Speaker 3: Really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like you mean those– what is it? They go like–
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  Speaker 1: I got to roll? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you do it loud as shit.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, just give me a second. Yeah, I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: Good at it. Southerners are good at it. It's a
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  Speaker 2: very Southern thing. There's like Yankees that can do it,
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  Speaker 2: but they're not going to do it like a Southerner.
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  Speaker 1: The barred owl. Pull it up. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: get a gander at it. Sorry you had it up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pull up Clay Newcomb. Say Clay Newcomb barred owl.
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  Speaker 2: Unless you want to hear the real thing.
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  Speaker 1: No, I want to start with this man. Well, he's
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  Speaker 1: a Southerner.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, he is.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this is me and Clay.
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  Speaker 3: You see Clay and the birds, right? Anyhow.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, dude. You got to stay in school, brother.
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  Speaker 2: What is fun is the Open Up Merlin.
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  Speaker 1: And see who's got it.
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  Speaker 2: And then get off a ways.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so one of my buddies, who is a Yankee,
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  Speaker 2: he's a Northerner, buddy Seth, like he's a real good
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  Speaker 2: owl caller. Yeah. And it started, when he realized that Merlin,
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  Speaker 2: like when he realized that Merlin wasn't picking him up,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't putting him down as a barred owl, he like
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  Speaker 2: had like an emotional crisis and started redoing his shit
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  Speaker 2: and working on his shit until Merlin, he had to
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  Speaker 2: change his stuff until he could figure out why Merlin
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  Speaker 2: wasn't grabbing him.
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  Speaker 1: Look, all I'm telling you is that motherfucker ain't registering
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  Speaker 1: on Merlin. That's all. Look, I'm going to shoot you straight.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy. It's also crazy to be, I actually, now
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  Speaker 1: this I really understand wanting to be this animal.
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  Speaker 2: Being an owl.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, wanting to really get.
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  Speaker 3: Into their head.
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  Speaker 1: And we had, I've had a little bit of owl actually.
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  Speaker 1: My sister's husband cooked two owls during Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he might want to keep that more secret.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if he did it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in a long time. That's what
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you. But it's not a lot of meat,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. It's kind of like you see
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  Speaker 1: those women in Little House on the Prairie, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of skirts, not a lot of meat under.
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  Speaker 2: There, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. You'd think
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be Philadelphia under there, but it's a
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  Speaker 1: little more Arizona when you get under there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I'd tell you a good story my father
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  Speaker 2: told me, but he's dead, so I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: do anything bad. I will tell it. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why my father did this.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why my father did this. But it
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: talks about that, like, a lot of skirt, not much.
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  Speaker 1: Not much meat, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, obviously, my father was from another time. My dad
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  Speaker 2: was born in 19. He had me when he was old.
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  Speaker 2: He was born in the Great Depression.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Like 1910?
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  Speaker 2: No, not that late. He was a World War II veteran.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 5: Anyhow.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Mr. Rinella, for your service. He tells a
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  Speaker 2: story about sitting deer hunting with his bow. And some, oh,
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  Speaker 2: there he is on the right there. He tells a
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  Speaker 2: story about sitting deer hunting with his bow and deciding
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  Speaker 2: to shoot an owl with his bow. And he says
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't, and he like, it feels like he hits
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  Speaker 2: the owl. I can't account for why he would decide
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  Speaker 2: to do this. It's not something I would do. I
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  Speaker 2: don't condone it. Shoots the owl and like hits it
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  Speaker 2: dead center. But he said the owl doesn't even change tune.
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  Speaker 2: Because you realize it's all feathers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all brassiere, baby.
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  Speaker 3: No tit.
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  Speaker 2: That was his only owl hunting story.
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  Speaker 1: God.
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  Speaker 2: The owl escaped unharmed.
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  Speaker 1: Look at these motherfuckers. What are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: What are we doing, dude? Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't think all of the world is a psyop,
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  Speaker 1: look at this MF-er, homie. Look at this thing right here.
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  Speaker 2: You want to know a current controversy about the barred owl?
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  Speaker 1: I'd love to.
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  Speaker 2: The noise that Clay was just making there and the
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  Speaker 2: owls were making? Okay. Do you remember back to the
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  Speaker 2: kind of culture war issue around spotted owls, like logging
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  Speaker 2: in the Pacific Northwest and the spotted owl?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think they were tearing down their habitats, right?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And the spotted owl became– this happens to animals
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  Speaker 2: now and then. where a spotted owl stopped being an
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  Speaker 2: owl and kind of became like a cultural emblem. Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like when they put them on frontier airlines, like on
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  Speaker 2: their wing? Yeah, sure. It'd be like wolves occupy this now.
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  Speaker 2: Like there's wolves as flesh and blood creatures, and then
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  Speaker 2: there's sort of the symbolism of the wolf.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So the spotted owl became a symbolism of land use,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like land use controversy. Okay. Meaning you've got
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  Speaker 2: loggers– In the Pacific Northwest, trying to produce, harvest timber products.
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  Speaker 2: But there's this owl they're trying, this endangered species, this
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  Speaker 2: owl that they're trying to protect. So the owl becomes
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  Speaker 2: this kind of like proxy symbol for whether we should
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  Speaker 2: cut trees or not.
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  Speaker 1: I remember even in Dumb and Dumber, they went to
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  Speaker 1: the banquet where they were raising money for the spotted owl.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So it became like a cultural thing. Barred
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  Speaker 2: owls are one of those species like Canada geese, white-tailed deer,
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  Speaker 2: crows that do really well. That they benefit off people, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like the more people there are in more places, the
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  Speaker 2: more beneficial it is to that owl. That owl does
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  Speaker 2: well in disturbed ecosystems. They like people. They'll hang out
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  Speaker 2: above your house. They'll hunt in your yard. Like we
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  Speaker 2: don't bother them. Other things hate people. But this thing
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  Speaker 2: that's gradually happening is barred owls, which were historically more
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  Speaker 2: in the eastern U.S., are colonizing– The spotted owls range
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  Speaker 2: and displacing spotted owls. So there's this big push, and
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  Speaker 2: there was even federal money. I don't know where it
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  Speaker 2: stands right now. I think the current administration was rolling
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  Speaker 2: it back. There was a push where they were going
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  Speaker 2: to go kill right there. They were going to cull 470,000
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  Speaker 2: barred owls in the Pacific Northwest.
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  Speaker 1: To keep them from migrating? To try to save the
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  Speaker 1: spotted owl. The spotted owl.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck.
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  Speaker 2: And I think they might have pulled that money. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure. Oh, but, um, just a little like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like wildlife politics, like there's always wildlife politics brewing, you know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so there's this kind of thing, like, does it
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  Speaker 2: make sense? You know, that you asked the question and
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  Speaker 2: it's not like people are moving them in trucks. They're
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  Speaker 2: moving on their own. So if like, if this bird
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  Speaker 2: is getting there on his own nature, yeah, he's getting
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  Speaker 2: there on his own, under his own wing, spreading across, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Is that, can you really call it that that's like bad?
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  Speaker 1: Colonization. Or is it just that it's natural?
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  Speaker 2: Like throughout your 45 years of life, raccoons have gone
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  Speaker 2: north and west. Throughout your 45 years of life, opossums
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  Speaker 2: have gone north and west. Barred owls have gone west.
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  Speaker 2: All on their own. It's human in that they're sort
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  Speaker 2: of like our crop fields, our clearings, our developments don't
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  Speaker 2: bother them and they're beneficial to them. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So we don't have an effect really on it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So like it's happening and they're talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: dusting off that many, you know, dusting off that many owls.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, how much do you want to mess up
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  Speaker 1: with what mother nature is doing? You know, it says
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  Speaker 1: right here, yes. Funding for the barred owl removal initiative.
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  Speaker 1: was recently pulled in July 2025. The Trump administration terminated
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  Speaker 1: three critical federal grants totaling about $ 1. 1 million, which were
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  Speaker 1: essential for launching the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's plan
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  Speaker 1: to cull barred owls across California, Oregon, and Washington. Who
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  Speaker 1: was going to do that? Were they just going to
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  Speaker 1: send some... How would they go about that, do you think?
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  Speaker 2: I applied for one of those gigs one time. They
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  Speaker 2: were doing... I just thought it was kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 2: There's another animal that lives that is in more places
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  Speaker 2: than it was historically, the mountain goat.
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  Speaker 3: And.
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  Speaker 2: there was this project one time to, to, they were
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  Speaker 2: trying to get mountain goats out of Olympic.
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  Speaker 1: Um, was it?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, not of Olympic national park. I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: Pull up a mountain goat.
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  Speaker 2: It's great animal.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you do not see a lot of these around here.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: But they were looking for teams of people to go
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  Speaker 2: do this mountain goat pull.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they were.
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  Speaker 2: And so we made like a team. Get professional wrestlers, dude.
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  Speaker 2: We made a team to do the mountain goat pull,
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  Speaker 2: and our team was not selected because a part of
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  Speaker 2: the thing was they wanted you to keep your mouth shut.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that they looked, and they were like,
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  Speaker 2: this guy's not going to keep his mouth shut about
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  Speaker 2: that shit. He's like a fucking writer. So they're like,
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  Speaker 2: I think they saw through me. And I had a
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  Speaker 2: crack commando team put together.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But didn't get the nod.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Because I think that they could see that, like, let's
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: say you're a writer and you're trying to get in
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  Speaker 2: the military. They're like, yeah, I got a feeling.
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  Speaker 1: This guy's going to run.
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  Speaker 2: This ain't patriotism. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: So I didn't get the job.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like Armageddon where that team gets chosen to
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  Speaker 1: go save the world or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: You guys should have got the chance, brother. That'd be
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: a great movie.
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  Speaker 2: I had a crack commando team put together.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Who'd you get on? Did you get any diversity on it?
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  Speaker 1: How do you attack?
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't do no this was before the dei
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  Speaker 2: no you didn't do all that yeah you know now
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  Speaker 2: that i review it in my mind it was decidedly
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  Speaker 2: it was decidedly uh it was a it was a
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  Speaker 2: uh group of guys that you could mistake for me
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  Speaker 2: okay That was my mountain goat team.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to do the same. They're fixing to do
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  Speaker 2: the same thing in Grand Teton. In the Grand Teton
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  Speaker 2: National Park? Yeah, because mountain goats are largely in the
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  Speaker 2: coastal ranges historically.
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  Speaker 1: God, they're beautiful, aren't they?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So you got like Idaho, Colorado, Utah. They all have
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  Speaker 2: non-native mountain goat populations. Oh, yeah. South Dakota has a
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: non-native mountain goat population.
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  Speaker 1: And when you say non-native, that means that they just
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  Speaker 1: ended up there? They weren't naturally from there? They were
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  Speaker 1: drove in. Ah.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: They were drove in. They were brought in. You wouldn't believe, like,
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  Speaker 2: if you're interested in animals, man, you wouldn't believe how
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  Speaker 2: much humans have reshuffled the deck.
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  Speaker 1: Of how animals exist? Of where they're, like, of distribution
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  Speaker 1: of animals. In the world or mostly in America?
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  Speaker 3: World too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We have, like, our country hosts African species in certain places.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, totally wild, feral animals. We have African species
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  Speaker 2: running around in our country. We have Asiatic species running
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  Speaker 2: around in our country. Um, We've just completely reshuffled the deck.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Like I was saying, like at, you know, historically there
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  Speaker 2: was turkeys in 34 states. You can hunt turkeys in
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  Speaker 2: every state, but Alaska now.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Like we're all, we like, we've been very good at
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  Speaker 2: moving it around. And we used to have the ambition
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  Speaker 2: of moving it all around. Now we have the ambition
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  Speaker 2: of trying to put it back the way we found it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But for a while, the ambition was to like, Oh,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: more the merrier.
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  Speaker 1: Spread it everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Just cut shit loose just to see what would happen.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All the time, man. Just move it around and see
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  Speaker 2: what happens.
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  Speaker 1: That's bonkers, man. Where is Grand Teton National Park?
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  Speaker 2: It's basically Yellowstone National Park.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a place in America that you feel
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  Speaker 1: has the strongest connection to nature kind of to just
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: pivot a little bit? Like, do you like where you
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  Speaker 1: feel like the most like innately connected? Is that a
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: weird question, Connor?
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: No, it's not a weird question.
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  Speaker 1: Because I know that some of the natives had the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Black Hills and stuff like that in the Dakotas. They
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: had places where they felt extremely connected to nature.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: You mean like places that had a spiritual... Like an
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: aura or something to them? Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 1: I just wondered if it was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't pretend to.
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  Speaker 2: I can't like, I don't know what that felt like.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what that looked like. Um, I have
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: things that mean a lot. I have places that mean
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: a lot to me. Um, I have places that mean
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  Speaker 2: a lot to me from a standpoint of personal experiences
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  Speaker 2: that have happened in certain places. I had a place
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. I told, like I told my kids,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, man, if I die, like I had
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: originally said, if I die, I want, um, I was like,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: this is going to be hard to pull off, but
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: like in a perfect world, I would have my body
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  Speaker 2: like dumped there.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Just hidden away somewhere to be eaten and my bones
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: strewn about by bears.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I thought that seemed like a cool idea. It is
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: kind of neat. Yeah. There's a number of people that
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Crazy Horse, his friends took his body and put it
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: somewhere they don't know.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Where it is.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Really? Has anybody gone to look for it?
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Edward Abbey, the writer.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Edward Abbey. So Crazy Horse, they hid his body?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: His friends took his body. He was killed in Nebraska.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: They took his body and put it in a crevice somewhere.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: They don't know where it is.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: And no one's found it yet?
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Ed Abbey's body was out.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Ed Abbey from.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: You ever hear of Monkey Ranch Gang? He wrote Monkey
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Ranch Gang.
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  Speaker 1: Not from... Desert Solitaire.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: He was an environmental.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Not the odd couple, huh?
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: He was an environmental warrior. You should read up on
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Ed Abbey.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: He's a big figure in defending the desert in a novelist. Anyways,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: his friends took them and they dumped them.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: And they don't tell anybody where?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: No, they won't tell anybody where.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: That's cool. That sounds like the way to go.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: So I wanted to have that kind of, I wanted
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: to have a program like that. And that, where I
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: wanted it, was a spot that had, was a place
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  Speaker 2: that had like, that I had a deep, what to
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: me passes as a sort of spiritual connection to that place.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Then there's places I just like because there's like, I
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: like I love being in Alaska. I spent a month
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: or so in Alaska. It's kind of throughout different times
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  Speaker 2: of the year. I spent a month or so in
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Alaska every year. I love Alaska. What I like about
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Alaska is it's, uh, um, you know, it, it, it's
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: a big place, but there's a lot of places where
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: you can just kind of picture what time was along.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Like you can kind of picture what things were a
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: long time ago.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's like, cause a thing that if you've
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: as a, as outdoorsman, as someone that likes nature, um,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: oftentimes you find yourself trying to imagine, like trying to
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: imagine a long time ago. Right. There's something like, there's
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: some kind of continuity thing. You know, people have been
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: out on the landscape, living, hunting and fishing and living
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: off the land for, since the beginning of human time.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: And so naturally your mind goes to, Like what, how
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: did other people experience this? Like how did, what, what
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: was the experience of other people doing these activities in
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: these places throughout time?
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: So I like spots where you can kind of picture it, right?
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: It's still, you can picture it. And there's a lot
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: of places in Alaska, you can go there and be like,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: you can feel it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Do you know what I mean?
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: You can feel it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, like it feels so untouched by so many,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: like just a lot of other bullshit energy and stuff.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: And it winds up being like, you can imagine, like
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: you could go, there's places you go and you can
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: imagine like, man, some dude's standing here, 10, not 10,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: let's do whatever. Some dude standing here 7,000 years ago,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: be held like, however he perceived it, whatever his ideas
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: of God were, you know, whatever his allegiances were, he,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: this is kind of what it looked like.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: You know, it's what it looked like. And those places
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: mean a lot to me to be able to be like, man,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: like you could stand here, you know, at all these
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: points in time and be like, it's just, you can
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: just imagine it. And it makes this continuity similar because
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: a thing that I'm very interested in is, uh, professionally
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: and personally, very interested in the experiences of other people
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: who had aspects of a lifestyle that I live today.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I'm always fascinated by that. That's why I could give
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: a shit about Antarctica because there's no human history there.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: That's the cool thing about Alaska. My brother's a fisheries
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: biologist in Alaska. He had a really interesting point that
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: he made to me. He's like, if you think about
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: the conservation efforts, environmental efforts in the lower 48, we
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: are in Someday what we're doing might be regarded as
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: a recovery phase where we're trying to fix things. We
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: broke a lot of things, late 1800s, early 1900s. For decades,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: we broke stuff. And so for the most part now,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: when someone talks about conservation, oftentimes it's like fixing broken shit,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: bringing the turkey back, fixing broken shit.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Right. Right.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Cleaning up rivers, cleaning up.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of like, we broke a bunch of shit.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Like we built a bunch of dams in the Pacific
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Northwest and killed all these salmon runs. Now we're trying
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: to fix all the shit we broke. And so for
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: most of like most conservation work is oftentimes like fixing
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: shit that we fucked up. He was saying his work
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: in Alaska, he's been in Alaska forever. His work in
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Alaska at times is like, they're still doing, they're still
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: trying to describe what's there. Meaning there are salmon runs that,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: They'll go look at salmon runs. People know there's salmon there.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: They've been fishing for thousands of years. But no one's
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: ever went and sort of like scientifically described the salmon run.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: There are rivers where no one's gone and scientifically described
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: what lives in the river.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Right? So they're still in a phase of just trying
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: to like write down what's there.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: And we're in a phase of just trying to fix
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: all of our broken shit. Right. So in that way,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Alaska is cool. Right.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Cause it's still like in such an early process of
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: being affected by humans.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And if we play our cards, right.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Then we'll, what we learned here, we won't have to
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: go through the same thing. If we play our cards, right.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Uh, when someone talks about building a big dam, you know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: on the Yukon or whatever, you, you might look and
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: be like, man, uh, we were spending a lot of
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: it down, down in the, what they call in Alaska,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: what they call the outside and the outside. We're spending
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of time and energy trying to fix all
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: the shit we broke by doing that. Just so heads up. Hmm.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: as you think about your plans.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Just, hey guys, do you have a part of, I
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: know you've traveled extensively, do you have a place that
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: you feel like is the most dangerous for people to go?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Is that really a fair question? I mean, I guess
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: every place is dangerous depending on what your behaviors are.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's, it's, this is something I think about and
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: talk about a fair bit. There's a lot of, like,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: there's places where there's a high level of perceived danger. Okay.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: The thing I always try to point out if my
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: wife thinks I'm doing like my wife often thinks I'm
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: putting a lot of risk on my kids or doing
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: too much too risky as shit with my kids.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Because they're going to try to do it or you're
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: taking them with you that.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going to hurt them or drown them or whatever
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: you know oh yeah like she's always afraid I'm going
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: to something like that I my recklessness will lead to
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: my kids getting messed.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Up right why do they need safety gear for Christmas
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: every year if you're not trying to do something bad
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: to them Steve.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Oh there's one of my little kids no that's not
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: my little kid that's my friend's kid yeah if you
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: don't even know whose kid it is that's my kid Okay. Well,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: she's 12 now.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Daddy's future hunting buddy.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: She has much more hair now.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I believe that. I'm just saying this shirt is lobbying
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: for a certain type of behavior in the future.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: She is my hunting buddy now, dude.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's awesome.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't show pictures of our kids much anymore.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: But uh they're all really except my older one anyhow
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: what the hell is that talking about oh she's always
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: afraid i'm gonna drown them or whatever oh yeah reasonably
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: so but but i'm always like man the most important
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: like the most dangerous thing this is me like you're
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: my wife and i'm me all right the most dangerous
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: thing that's gonna happen is us driving to the.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Airport sure steve look sign the papers Okay, sign the
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: papers and you can do whatever you want. Okay, that's
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: what my attorney said. Sorry, I was trying to role
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: play a little.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: No, that was good role play, but you'd have to
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: have more time with her, you know?
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have also went into it a little
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: bit more. You didn't hit it at all. All right,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: let's try it again.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: But I understand she just didn't meet her.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Let's try it again.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: But she brings up, so there's like high levels of
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: perceived danger, but then there's like reality, meaning driving down
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: a highway is dangerous. hazardous yeah like highway travels hazardous
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: flying in single engine we do a lot of flying
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: in single engine aircraft that's hazardous flying in single engine
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: aircraft is like a legitimate occupational hazard but where people's
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: minds go people's minds go to getting attacked by wild
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: animals right because you people don't want it like they're
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: not thinking about that you're going to go in like
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: when you go into a remote environment um uh, exposure. Yeah.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Exposure is like far more dangerous than wild animals, but
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: it's not falling into a hole. Sure. It's not fun
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: to think about.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: It doesn't, it doesn't occupy any, there's no intellectual energy.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: You can't put like intellectual or emotional energy into exposure.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have the same PR instead.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: You're like, well, shit, there's wild animals lurking in the bushes.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: And so people are afraid of things. Um, See, I
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm, I don't want to seem like I'm
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: hacking out my, my wife. I love her. My wife
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: carries pepper spray. My wife will sometimes carry pepper spray.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Because there's black bears around.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I've been in some neighborhoods.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: But you, anyone in this country, most people in the
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: major cities of this country, they're all within a 40
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: to hour drive of a black bear.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: You're much closer to black bears right now.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: But you're not sitting here with pepper spray. So why,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: when you go walk, like why, when you, why does
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: she feel I'm like, you know, like you have black
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: bears that come into the outskirts of New York, right?
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: New Jersey has the densest black bear population in the country.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: And the densest human population in the country. New Jersey does? Yeah,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: so when they're golfing, they don't carry pepper spray.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Right, it's not like you see Trump out there with
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: pepper spray in a fucking pocket full of.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Why does my wife want to have pepper spray for
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: black bears? Black bears don't matter. They're not dangerous, but
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: they're perceived as dangerous, and certain environments make people feel
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: like now they're in danger, but golfers in New Jersey
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: aren't carrying pepper spray. Though they probably have bears. If
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: you're golfing in some semi-rural New Jersey environment... you're within
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: hundreds of yards of bears.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: But they're not giving their energy to thinking about bears,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: but you put someone at like a trailhead in the
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: woods and all of a sudden they got bears on
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: their mind. So dangerous would be like, I spent a
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: month in Africa this summer and we saw a black mamba,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: a snake called, you know, that's the most, that's the
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: deadliest snake. Like they just kill you when they get you.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: The guy we were with said, you'll never see one.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Then we saw one. So all we talked about was
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: black mambas.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: He didn't bite anybody.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, like, anytime I sat down,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: once I saw that son of a bitch, I saw
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: a puff adder, a black mamba, and a cobra.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Damn. Okay? What is a puff adder?
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's a bad mother licker, man. Pull up how
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: he gets around. Pull up how he gets around.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: A puff adder?
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, watch how he gets around. You think of a
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: snake doing a serpentine movement.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Well, check his ass out. Pull up him getting around. Oh, shit.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: He just wiggles along like a centipede.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Shorty bae got that fucking he not even look at
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: that no he don't need to do he doesn't even
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: need a footprint he don't need to so that's what
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: you call cutting corners right there that's the kind of
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: employee that i need.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Dude that dude just he's got little his scales just
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: walk man yeah that's crazy i don't know if this
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: is true you want to hear something they told me
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: about that thing this canyon dude told me he told
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: me that i don't know if it's true but it's
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: just a great it's a wonderful detail he told me
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: that puff adder so he strikes so fast We just
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: caught one crossing the road and got out and messed
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: with it a little bit. Not up close, but distant
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: mess with it. That puff adder strikes so fast. This
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: guy was telling me this could be total lore. Don't
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: even look it up because I don't want you to
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: refute it because it's too cool. He says that he
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: can hit a balloon twice. He can hit a balloon
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: twice before it pops. Which I don't even know what
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: that means, but doesn't it sound cool?
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: It sounds... You know, like you can.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Before the balloon deflates. I don't know.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: So he's got a bad venom. So anyways, we see
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: one of these. We see a.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Black mamba who can cruise around with half of his
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: length up in the air. If he's seven foot, his head,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: when he's cruising through the woods, when he's pissed, his
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: head's at your navel.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Damn. He's a bad, bad, bad dude. Well, he's got
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: some calves on him. That's what's amazing to me. Why
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: do Indian people love fucking with these things?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: In Kill Bill, it's a black mamba that kills... That
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: kills Michael Madsen's character.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Is it really?
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a black mom. Anyhow, so we see these
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: different critters running around. And you're not going to get
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: killed by a snake. It doesn't happen.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Right, but it feels like it's going to happen.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, instead of me thinking like, oh,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: I might get some amoeba from drinking the water, or
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: who knows, or a mosquito-borne pathogen.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: All that's out the window.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Instead, everywhere I look, all of us, me and my
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: other guys I was with, we didn't take a step, dude,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: without being like, Cause all of a sudden in our
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: head was the perceived danger. Meanwhile, you're with all these
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: people that are born and raised there. None of them's dead, right?
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're doing fine. Some of them have some emotional
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: issues or whatever, but they're doing overall. They're well, they're
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: not all dead from snakes.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: It's just, that's where as humans, Oh, that's where the head,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: your head goes to like.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Whatever's had the best advertising and probably whatever's most recently
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: been seen, those sorts of things.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: So when you say like the most dangerous place, like,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: To an outsider, the Tanzanian bush felt dangerous for a
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: reason that's probably not true. Right. It felt dangerous because
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: one day we saw a black mama.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Or the Tasmanian devil, too.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Well, he doesn't live there, but sure. Yeah.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Tasmanian tiger. Right, yeah. Tasmanian devils, yeah.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of Tanzania, I think, or something.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm thinking.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, no, no.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: You're right, yeah. But no, Tanzania and... The Tasmanian, that's
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: the island of Tasmania. Tanzania comes from Zanzibar combining with Tanganyika.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: When those two countries came together, they were called Tanzania.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: So Tanganyika doesn't exist anymore. It's now Tanzania.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Tanganyika doesn't. Zanzibar does. But the Zanzibar archipelago was rolled
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: into Tanganyika to become Tanzania. I'm a subject matter expert.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I spent a month there.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Did you really? A lot of women will go to
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Zanzibar to meet men, kind of African men, a lot
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: of women in their 40s and 50s.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Is that true? Yeah.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: That's what I know about the migration or whatever it's called.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: But I– or it's for– I don't want to say
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: it's for sex, but I think people say it is.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think that you're going there for that. It's
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: pretty buttoned up there.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: It's pretty buttoned up. No, I don't think it's like illegal.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's they go there and it's sort of
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: a popular space for courting of those– African men and
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: women who were kind of divorcees.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cause my buddy went there and he was like, dude,
• 57:08
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• 57:10
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• 57:13
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• 57:15
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• 57:15
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• 57:17
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• 57:18
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  Speaker 1: slash T-H-E-O. Rocketmoney.com slash Theo. I'll say this, dude. I
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: remember the first time that I saw a snake. It
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: makes me think of what like my perception and everything
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: was like. We're walking. I was with my grandparents. We're
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: walking and suddenly I just kind of felt something on
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: my Like I had some just boots were fishing and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: something wrapped around my leg like that. And it was
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: a snake.
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  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, my God, I couldn't move.
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  Speaker 1: I was so scared. I'd never seen a snake outside.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you heard about snakes. And I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: had just fucking wrapped around just like it was like
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  Speaker 1: my like my leg was a stripper pole. And this
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: thing just came to just fucking grind just straight out
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  Speaker 1: of hell to grind on me, you know. And my
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: grandmother looked at it, and she goes, I remember, she's like,
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  Speaker 1: did you summon that, she asked me. Because my grandmother
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  Speaker 1: was out of her fucking mind. And that's when I
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  Speaker 1: knew that it was just going to be a long
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  Speaker 1: life right there. I was like, you think, and I
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: looked in her eyes, and she thinks I fucking, a
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  Speaker 1: child that she barely ever even welcomes into town. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She finally takes you to catch some bullheads in the
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  Speaker 1: fucking Spoon River out here.
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  Speaker 2: And you summon the serpent. She thinks I'm the fucking
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Baker of fanged lizards. Do you remember what kind
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  Speaker 2: of snake it was? I want to say it was
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  Speaker 2: a water moccasin, but that may have just been the
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  Speaker 2: lore of me growing up in Louisiana.
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  Speaker 1: Because I don't know if they have those in Illinois
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  Speaker 1: or not. No, I don't believe they do. But I
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  Speaker 1: worked on a farm in Louisiana, and at lunch break
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  Speaker 1: we would always just walk around If they had a
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: boat that was turned over, we'd flip it over and
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  Speaker 1: there'd be a water moccasin under it every single time, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a cool snake.
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  Speaker 1: They were scary, though.
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  Speaker 2: There's an idea, and I kind of buy it, that
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  Speaker 2: from an evolutionary standpoint, we carry this sort of like this...
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  Speaker 2: I want to preface this by saying I'm not a geneticist. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Despite your impressions. I'm not a geneticist, but that we
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  Speaker 2: carry with us this innate, let's say this sort of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: genetic marker or whatever, this innate fear of serpents.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? Like, it does you well.
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  Speaker 2: It does you well to be like, stand off. You
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: follow me?
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  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, I think anybody would be creeped out. There's nothing...
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  Speaker 1: yeah there's something so why are we so scared of
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  Speaker 1: snakes do you know i want to look let's.
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  Speaker 2: Look at a bunch of snakes there's a.
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  Speaker 1: But it feels dude when you.
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  Speaker 2: See they're not right man and.
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  Speaker 1: It feels so foreign oh i will say this we
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: interviewed this blind girl one time right and we're just
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: learning about what it's like to be blind and some
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: of like the different stuff and she talked a lot
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  Speaker 1: about animals and like getting to spend time with animals
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  Speaker 1: and the feelings you get and she says that she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't get any feeling from a snake. Like there's no
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  Speaker 1: energy that she gets.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: And that's when I was like, dude, if a snake, yeah,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Tanya Milojevic. That's when I knew if a blind don't
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: even like a snake, I don't like a snake.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a great idea to interview someone where you
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: can just get right in because then you can ask
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  Speaker 2: all the questions you would be not, you'd ask all
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: the questions. Do you remember Howard Stern? He used to
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: have a show where he'd have a panel of black
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  Speaker 2: guys That white dudes could ask questions to.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great.
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  Speaker 2: You know? I can't remember what he called it.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: It was like, ask a black man. Yeah. It was
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: called ask a black guy?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: I can't remember what the shtick was, but you just
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: have dudes volunteer.
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  Speaker 1: To come in. No, that's what we need.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: And idiotic white guys could be like, hey, you know?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey.
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  Speaker 2: So it's an interesting interview format to be able to
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: have a person come and say, like, I will now
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: entertain all your dumb ass questions that you wonder, but
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: don't ask. Yeah. And that, that are like, that I
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: get sick of, but I'm going to sit here and
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: indulge you for an hour. And you can be like, well,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: what do you see?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She said that a lot of it was like memorizing patterns.
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  Speaker 1: Like when you're going somewhere, like the more you go there,
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  Speaker 1: the easier it is. Like, um, she said a lot
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: of times it felt like she was playing like a
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  Speaker 1: video game in her head. Like just remembering, like, Almost
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: as if you're controlling somebody through a video game, that
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: that's kind of how she would guide herself. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was pretty interesting. I should do it again soon.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good interview deal because she probably, generally
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: going about her life, probably can't stand people staring at her,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: wondering shit. asking her the same dumb shit over. So
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: it'd be like, I'm just going to sit here and
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: just do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was great.
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  Speaker 2: Hit me with it.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever had taken a blind person on one
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  Speaker 1: of your hunts before? I know you know, man, but
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: it's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's the thing. And I've, and I've had, I had
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: a blind hunter on my podcast one time.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Um, to talk about what the experience was and, uh, yeah,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: I had a blind person on.
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  Speaker 1: And what is that? Cause they're just, I mean, they
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: got to feel like there's no chance when they shoot.
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  Speaker 2: Right. You know, They had people help. We had a...
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm dicking up? I actually just told
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: you something that's not true. Because we were gonna... We
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: one time had a paralyzed... We had a paralyzed... We
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: were gonna have a blind hunter. We had a... We didn't...
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think we did. We had a fully paralyzed
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: hunter who had to hunt with like an automation thing.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Took a lot of assistance from his friends. But he
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: had been a hunter. Had an accident. And then... paralyzed
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: from the neck down developed a way that he could
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: continue hunting with the help of his friends wow that's
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: pretty cool with a mouth control apparatus but it took
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: a ton of assistance that that's who he had on
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: but a point i was gonna make about that innate
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: fear of snakes is if you could do time machine
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: shit okay and.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: You talking time travel i'm gonna okay.
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  Speaker 2: This would be like a really good question to to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: have okay the good use of if you had like
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: one pass, one time pass, here's a thing that would
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: be on my list of shit I would be curious about. When, like,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: after the sort of African diaspora and humans started colonizing
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: the whole world, right? The people that came, the people
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: that became the first Americans came in from Alaska. You
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: always hear about the Bering Land Bridge, right? The land
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: bridge is the size of Texas. It wasn't like a bridge.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: It was like a landmass. People colonizing the New World
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: would have been born and died on the Bering Land
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  Speaker 2: Bridge without thinking that they were going anywhere. They were
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  Speaker 2: just living their lives.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 2: And slowly spread down.
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  Speaker 1: And those were like Inuits, like kind of natives?
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  Speaker 2: They became native.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: The people that became the Inuits, by our understanding, the
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: people that became the Inuits came much later.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. They came from Japan and the Aleutians and whatnot.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: But these Siberians came into the New World. So by
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: this point, you have hundreds of generations, hundreds of generations
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: of people had lived in a snake-free environment because they'd
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: lived in the Arctic. Ooh. Hundreds of generations. And then
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: they slowly... Generation to generation to generation, they slowly moved
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  Speaker 2: down the North American continent. There's two theories that, like Alaska,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: you know, they don't have a snake, right? There's two theories.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: There's one that they came through the mid-continent and maybe
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: emerged down around Edmonton, Alberta, onto the Great Plains. That
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: was a fashionable idea for a long time. The currently
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: fashionable idea is they came down the coast, okay? So
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: now you have hundreds of generations of people that would
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: never have seen or experienced a snake. Yeah.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: And you got snakes down there just waiting.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, they spread southward.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And at some point, one of those sons of bitches
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: is out just, right?
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: Fuck!
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: He's out cruising around, doing his deal, and there's one
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: laying there. That happened. That happened. That happened. If you
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: could take your time machine and go see that guy
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: see that snake, did he go, fuck! Or did he
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: jump down and grab it? That was some good time
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: machine shit right there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this. If he was with someone else
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: when it happened, you have to cut that person's throat immediately,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I think. Because you would think they have something to
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: do with this. Like, they're in on it. Like, that's
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: what I would do. You're like, who the fuck?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Who summoned this?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Your distant ancestor summoned that snake. Yeah, you would think
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: it was, like, other– I don't know. But you'd probably
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: seen fish. But I don't know. Do you just get
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: that energy? Yeah. Like then you would be able to
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: answer the question. That's the way, the one way to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: be able to answer the question. Do humans have some
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: baked in shit.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Or is it not that? Right.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: You'd have to go all the way back.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: There's probably another way too. You could take a child
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: at birth, buy one, sequester it somewhere.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Well, they do that all the time. There's Indian babies
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: playing with snake.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But take one and sequester it. So it doesn't get
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: any information from any human beings. Let it become an
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: old person and throw a snake in that room. Do
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: they jump back? That'd be easier and less expensive than
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: time travel, but it wouldn't be as authentic and you'd
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: run into legal....
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: And if they've been alive so long, are they going
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: to not care anymore?
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Because you damaged them psychologically and stuff by locking them
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: up in that room and shit, you know?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, I don't give a fuck.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: The detractors would be like, yeah, but he was so
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: destroyed psychologically that this is not telling us anything.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: You're just fucking with.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: A person you victimized of this whimsical scientific study.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I think at that point, you're really looking
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: at the Elizabeth Smart of reptiles kind of vibe, you know?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that's what we want.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: No, it is going to be a time travel problem.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll go time travel. Let's talk about a topic
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: that some people think is kind of controversial. Like, you
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: see a lot of people who will post photos with, like,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: big game, right? They go and kill, like, a woolly,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: not a woolly mammoth or whatever, but like a.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: A deer.
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  Speaker 1: A big, huge deer.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: Big old turkey.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, huge turkey.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Rope-dragging limb hanger.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, rope-dragging limb hanger. You know, one that's just singing,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: you know, one in an Allen Iverson jersey. You know
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like a real fucking boss out there.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: I'm following. I'm getting excited. And they put a picture
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: of it up.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Let's say it's a deer, something with eyelashes. Okay, okay, okay.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Because that's what... Or lions and stuff like that.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got an eyelash. It's emotional for people.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: OK, so that's fair. So, yeah, I think I just
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: want to know about some of that. But then also
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: you hear that people put up these like that some
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: of these animals, they're going to die in the places
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: that they're in. And so for conservation that they kind
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: of sell off kind of tags or lottery. So anyway,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: take me into some of that world kind of if
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: you don't mind.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: I thought you're going to get into the ethics of
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: that you of you posing with a dead animal in
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: a picture. But you're talking about like the sort of
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: the conservation fund, like the kind of. there's a perceived
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: conflict or like a, um, incongruity, um, around the notion
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: that how can you help a species by hunting it? Right.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: How do you help a species by hunting it? Um,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: wouldn't that be like that, that would appear to people
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: to be quite illogical, right? How does killing it help it?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Right. Is that, is that, yeah, I think that's fair.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: That really kind of boils it down. Yeah.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: Uh, It's a phenomenal question. I can see why it
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: puzzles people. Um, but you can point to case after
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: case after case of ways in which it, it has worked.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: We began our conversation around turkeys.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Um, there's a, there's a saying that I like quite
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: a bit. Uh, it's not mine, but it's, uh, success
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: has many fathers, but failure is a bastard's child.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: The success in restoring the wild Turkey, many people claim
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: parentage of that success. And there was many people that
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: attributed efforts to that success, all these different, like wherever
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: state you live in, your state has a fishing game agency.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: I'll point out that your state's fishing game agency gets
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: the bulk of its funding from people buying hunting and
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: fishing licenses. That's how we fund the agencies that take
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: care of wildlife and the States. So does that. But
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: when they were restoring the wild turkey from nearly being
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: wiped off the continent, the main player that was involved
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: in that nationally is an organization that happens to have
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: their annual convention in Nashville called the National Wild Turkey Federation.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: The National Wild Turkey Federation was kind of a through
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: line of the efforts to restore turkeys to North America
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: to recover the wild turkey, to put the wild turkey
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: back on the ground and all the places where it
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: had been wiped out. The National Wild Turkey Federation is
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: a hunting organization, okay? So if you went and looked
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: and you said, here's these guys that put enormous amounts
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: of expertise, scientific expertise, enormous amounts of funding, enormous amounts
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: of physical effort into restoring the wild turkey to where
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: they exceed historic levels, Is it fair to go like,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: you just did that so you could hunt turkeys? You'd
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: be like, guilty as charged. Right? Guilty as charged.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: There are other, because turkeys are so widely available now.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: But is that a bad thing? It's not a bad thing.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. It's not, but it's not
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: always even that way. Because for instance, if you look at,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: there's an organization called the Wild Sheep Foundation. It's an
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: American-based conservation organization that works to restore, recover, protect- wild
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: sheep species.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Desert bighorns, Rocky mountain, bighorns, doll sheep, stone sheep. Okay.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: They work on behalf of wild sheep. I have been
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: hunting my whole life. I apply every year to get
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: a bighorn sheep tag in a half dozen States every year.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: I have never drawn a bighorn sheep tag. I have
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: never hunted bighorn sheep. It is likely that It is
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: likely that I will die. Okay? Right. There's a likelihood
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: I will die and have never had the opportunity to
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: hunt a bighorn sheep. Yet, on occasion, I do things
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: to support the Wild Sheep Foundation. So, what am I
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: guilty of? Like, I aspire to hunt a bighorn sheep. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I recognize them as like an integral part of the
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  Speaker 2: Western landscape. I want to see more of them around.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: I'm a hunter. I would hunt one. If I could,
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  Speaker 2: I probably can't, but I want to see them back
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  Speaker 2: in their place. There are many, many conservation organizations, the
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: most impactful like wildlife conservation organizations that do real work
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  Speaker 2: on the ground. I'm not talking about lobbying bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about like, you know, I'm talking about
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: like the kind of work where you're like putting effort
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: on the ground, you're putting animals on the ground, you're
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: proving habitat on the ground, right? You're helping migratory animals, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: That shit comes from hunters. That shit comes from hunting-based
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: organizations in this country.
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  Speaker 1: Most of the wildlife and the preservation of wildlife here
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: comes from hunters.
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  Speaker 2: We fund it. We do the groundwork. People that come
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: out of that world of hunting move into conservation. There
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: are environmental orgs. There are lobbying orgs. There are orgs
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: that work in all these different ways that aren't. But
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: they're really effective on-the-ground stuff comes from hunters and anglers.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like, this isn't like, this is like, this
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  Speaker 2: is settled science. I mean, this isn't me giving you
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  Speaker 2: some spin. I'm not giving you like a novel way
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: to look at something. It's just like the, it's just
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: the reality.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're a fish and game agency. What state
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: are you at? It doesn't matter what the hell you
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: answer me. You're a resident of Tennessee. Your fish and
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: game agency gets the bulk of its funding. So your
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: fish and game agency handles like disease work, access work,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: enforcement of game laws. They get their money from hunting
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: and fishing licenses, the bulk of it. Or they get
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: money from excise taxes on sporting goods equipment, guns, ammo, whatever.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: It's just like we pay for it. You know, there's
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: guys that are, there's people that want to deny that reality.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: But like I said, it's like it's settled science. You
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: can't debate the nuts and bolts of it. So this
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: plays out in other ways that draw a lot of attention.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: Like something like, let's talk about Tanzania for a minute.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Totally different system than what we have in America. But
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: in Tanzania, the most... effective way that they're able to,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: the most effective way that they're able to protect large
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: tracks of wilderness habitat is drawing revenue from them by
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: allowing hunting to occur on those places.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: It's like productive for them. It's either that or it's
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: slash and burn agriculture. So it's like, you're able to
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: go into an area and by having people like Westerners, Europeans, Americans, whatever,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: come there to have an experience of going there and
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: hunting and paying a big amount of money to hunt there.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: warrants them being able to set aside large chunks of
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: ground the government and monetize it and monitor it and
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: then pay for uh anti-poaching efforts and other things that
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: that protect it you might you might look at it
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: and hate it you might look at it and be
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: like i don't think that humans have a right to
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: harm animals and like i'm not going to argue that
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: perspective So you might look at it and be like,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: it sucks that that has to be true. And I'll
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: be like, okay, it's fine. Maybe in your opinion, it
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: sucks that that has to be true. But what I
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: can't debate with you is, does it have to be true?
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: It's just true. Yeah. You know, you might hate that
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: that's the way, but that's the way it is.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: That's the way it is. Did humans always eat animals?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Since they could be hard not to, I think if
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  Speaker 1: you saw, I'm trying to think if I went back
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  Speaker 1: in time, that would be cool too. You go back
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  Speaker 1: some guy, the.
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  Speaker 2: First dude to eat meat he'd have to go back
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: some far ass you'd have to go back.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: That that's fine we can go back that there's.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: An idea that like there's there's a in anthropology there's
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: a debate about what time at what point in time
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: did you have behaviorally and anatomically modern humans this is
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: this is not we're getting way outside of biblical understanding
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: but we're talking about like from the non biblical science
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: world okay okay so a stepping outside of like like
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: the biblical confines and going into like purely scientific world
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: some people think that you could have grabbed a dude 75,000
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: years ago put him in grabbed him at birth and
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: he could have he could learn to fly an airplane
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: he could go to college do well blend in you'd
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: see him going down the street wouldn't think anything of it.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah be a pie cap or.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Whatever absolutely absolutely that was a hunting that was a
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: hunting um consumer of large quantities of animal flesh that
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: was yeah so.
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  Speaker 1: So there's no doubt at that time period that people
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: were really snacking on animals.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah and then there's this other idea and you
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: know how you you wind up liking the ideas that
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: that confirm your own for sure There's this other idea
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: that the great, in a scientific understanding, that when we had,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: when humans had this kind of renaissance, like we seem
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: to have suddenly kind of figured a bunch of shit out.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: And some people correlate that to us becoming predominantly to
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: eating huge amounts of animal flesh. It's so efficient. And
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: so full of energy. That was our intellectual renaissance. Like
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: that's when humans became bright and developed like religion and
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: organizational structure and language and all that is when we
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: discovered meat eating.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: Right, because we had enough energy not only to satiate
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: our bodies, but then also for the rest of us
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: to maybe flourish some because we finally had a new
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: source that was really replenishing us constantly.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were broken from a cycle of needing to
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: eat low grade, low calorie food all the time.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Right, so then you're constantly just sitting there snacking, whereas
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: otherwise you can have a nice meal, then you need
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: to sit back and kick it and think of something creative.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Like a deer is on this really strict schedule of
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: like eating a bunch of low-grade food, sitting, ruminating, eating,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: you know. So there's this idea, yeah, that's the idea
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: that like, and of course I like it because it reinforces,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: like that's what I like to eat, deer meat and stuff.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: So when I hear that, I'm like, fuck yeah, bro.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: That's the truth.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Because we just like the stuff that.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: We want to support our own ideas and causes our
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: own truths. What about pull up like a Neanderthal? What
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: was that called? Like a man that was 75000 years ago?
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Was that Neanderthals?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Well, it would have been it would have been Homo sapien.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: That must have been.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I've been like.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: They would have been.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, did you ever had your have you ever done
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: like a. You know, the late 23andMe organization.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: I've done 23andMe. Yeah, they sold all my fucking information
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: to this Japanese company.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: I went and deleted mine.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: Just the other day.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: My shit.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: You can still delete your shit.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm getting a bunch.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: Because I would go, I would say like, hey, I
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: want to buy his shit and see what he's got
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: going on. And I, you know, so I had mine deleted.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: You can have it deleted.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: I'm getting emails from like, you're related to this guy,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's like a fucking Japanese guy. I'm like,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: this one?
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: Hey, they recently solved.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: They're lying.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Where I live, they recently solved a 30-year-old murder case.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Nuh-uh.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: Because so many people doing 23andMe, filling up these databases.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: And so all of a sudden now, they're like, hey,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: we got a little ping. A little ping on the map. Yeah.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: Of like a family that seems, because they had a
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: biological specimen that we're.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Going to solve all those old crimes. They had a
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: biological specimen. Right.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: And so just from people willfully going and doing this
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: kind of work, all of a sudden you start popping
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: all these like markers and then you got to, you
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: got to buy a hair, a sperm or whatever.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden you're able to be like, well,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: it's not him, but there's some, some dudes a lot
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: like him that live in this town. I'd be, let's
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: go have a look around that town. When you do it,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: they tell you what percent Neanderthal you are.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: I was lower than average Neanderthal. Huh.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Did it upset you?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Uh, no, I wasn't surprised. I just don't like, I
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: don't have that vibe. You know, I remember, uh, I
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: feel like, I feel like Joe was telling me, Rogan
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: was telling me that he was high up.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: I could see that kind of average i could definitely.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: See that i swear i hope i'm not making that
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: up i swear he told me oh.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: I think it's totally i don't think he would deny
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: that at all he's definitely like a neanderthal guy that
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: got struck by some fucking cool ass lightning.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: I could be i swear that's what he was saying
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: but anyways i was lower than normal but the point
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: being oh yeah there he goes more than regular.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: People 57 percent more neanderthal yeah That's classic, dude.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: So, you know, an understanding is that, you know, they were...
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Here's a weird deal. I wrote this one time. I
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: wrote this in a forward to one of my cookbooks.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: I was writing it. You could have been, like, at
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: a certain time, you could have been in Spain.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: You could have been in Spain. You could have been
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: in the Iberian Peninsula. You could have been in northern
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Israel and see a campfire often burning in the distance.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: And You would have had to have asked yourself, what
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: kind of human is that? Do you follow me?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: You mean you would have had to have been like,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: what race or class or something like that?
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: What kind?
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: What kind? What species of humans?
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, like is that somebody who's like kind of like.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Is it Neanderthal dudes?
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Somebody who's a little more monkey?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is it like Neanderthal dudes? Yeah. Is it like
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: the same way that we talk about deer?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: Somebody eating a banana, somebody who has a sandals at
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: least on.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: Somebody eating one of me.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Like the same way you got like white-tailed deer, like
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: where I live, we have white-tailed deer and mule deer.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: They're so similar. Like it takes, I don't want to
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: say a trained eye to tell them apart, but, you know,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: someone from another country would look and it might take
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: them a few days for like, oh, they're different. They're
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: just going to see him and be like, whatever, dear, dear.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: But at a time, it'd be that you'd be like, oh, no,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: there's the one kind of human, and there's these other
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: kinds of humans.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Like, fuck, that guy's about 2,000 years back.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they don't mix, or they get together, or
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: they kidnap each other, whatever the hell they got going on.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: They still have bad breath, all that.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you see that, you're like Joe having
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: that as high as 50%. more Neanderthals, because it's like, it's,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: you know, we, under DRS, was it like an act
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: of passion?
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: That made you evolve?
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that drove humans and Neanderthals to interbreed.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: Was it coercion?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, you think they're separate beings? Or you think there's
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: one more advance in the.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Neanderthals were far more successful species than we are. Like,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Neanderthals were in Europe far longer than... than our ancestors
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: were in Europe.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: But aren't Neanderthals our ancestors, though?
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't. You can't really. I wouldn't really. Yes,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: in that it seems like direct human ancestors, like Homo sapien. Yeah. Okay.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: It seems like at times they were able to have
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: viable offspring, that at times Neanderthal people that were in
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Europe far longer, they were in Europe hundreds of thousands
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: of years before modern humans made the scene.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: And because of everyone having a little bit of introgression
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: from Neanderthals, this is not my field of study. I'm
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: just a curious onlooker. Let's take a look right here.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Ancient human species, including Homo sapiens, Neanderthals, Denisovans, and others
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: did interbreed as they encountered one another during the middle
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: and upper Paleolithic periods, leaving detectable genetic Legacies in modern populations, dude.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know this I thought Have you seen
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: that chart where it's one man like that and then
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: he has a deceptive chart He has a briefcase and
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: then he has Nikes on or whatever. It's a deceptive chart,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: dude That's fucking I can't even believe that one.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Of the main things I talk about my kids Wow
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: trying to explain like like what do you mean we
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: came from monkeys? I'm like don't you it's the that's
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: not don't look at it that way.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I Oh, what I want to start talking about
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: in my next hour of comedy is about the middle monkeys. Like,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: why don't you ever see that middle monkey? Like, you
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like, you'll see a monkey, and
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: then you'll see a dude, you know, who's a mechanic, right?
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: But you never see that middle motherfucker, you know what
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: What happened to him all?
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: The dude who's just scratching under one arm, wrenching the other.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Fucking just, they don't know how much work to register
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: because he's just like, whoop, whoop. You know, but he
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: can change a tire in a fucking, just with his lips.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? You don't see that chimp man,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: that middle man. I'm just amazed.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: They're locked away somewhere.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: But, dude, I never thought that you'd be sitting there
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: and you'd be like, oh, shit.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, you'd be like, uh-oh. You and your buddy, like, dog,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: let's go do a lap, right? Yeah, we better go
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: figure out what kind of dudes it is. But the
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: fact that they interbred. Why didn't they tell us this? Well,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: I think that, well, you might have missed that part.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, I would have known that. Let me get to
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: my point, though.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: The fact that they interbred leads to this question of,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: was it a romantic bonding? Was it like a romantic, right?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Was it something that was like under coercion?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: It was coercion.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, was it
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: like a, like a sort of like conquerors choice kind
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: of shit?
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like when those guys- Do you know
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: what I mean?
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that they would like meet and over, like
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: the Capulets and, you know, from- Like Romeo and Juliet's family.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: No, Stephen, it was not like that.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: They'd meet and come together despite family condemnations and produce offspring.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: No, it was like when those nurses that don't treat
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: people well at those hospitals take advantage of them. That's
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: what I think it was.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: I do wonder. That'd be another good time machine burner
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: up right there. You just go back and it's a,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: but here's the tough part. thing.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: If a person who was more mentally advanced, hypothetically a
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: homo sapien, if they tried to, if they tried to like, oh,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: here's just a Neanderthal, let's get a little bit of love,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: you know, but it's easy to trick.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: But they're not easy to fucking just pin down and
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: make love to.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: I bet you got to trick them. But even if
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: you trick- With shells and stuff. Right.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Even if you trick them with a little wind chime
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: or something, get their attention, I bet you can't. You're
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: going to have to, how quick can you make love
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: and still enjoy it and get away from them? I wouldn't.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: That's not a risk I'm taking.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: No, it's time machine questions.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not. That's not a risk. I'm someone that hasn't
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: brushed their hair in 70,000 years. I'm going to try
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: to fuck them. I'm out.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: You know what I want to put out a call to?
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: You don't mind me doing a call for a guest
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: I've been trying to find on your show, but I
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: want to find them. So it's like I'm using your
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: audience to find someone that I might not find on
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: my own. Okay. What I've been trying to do for
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: years is I've been trying to find a really, really
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: good Neanderthal. You can say Neanderthal or tall. You sound
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: a little bit smarter. I understand. My understanding is you
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: sound a little better to say Neanderthal. It's a valley
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: in Germany. It is? Yeah.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: It's a valley in Germany?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you sound a little more– Like, I'm more
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: likely to get a good guest by saying Neanderthal because
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: they're like, this dude knows his shit. I want to
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: find a really good Neanderthal behavioralist.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Hard R in that Neanderthal, too.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a Neanderthal researcher to come on the show and
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: talk about what they know. But it can't be just
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: like a writer who spent a month researching. It's because
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: our audience doesn't like those kinds.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: It's got to be someone that lives and breathes. It
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: can't be like an interloper.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: Like, I need, like, a legit, a verbose, animated Neanderthal researcher.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: I don't want some halfway house. I want a fucking
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: trap house that people have been shooting up in for
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: 50 years with information about motherfuckers who would just, like,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: who could digest a stone if they need to.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like that, like a really good Neanderthal person to
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: come on the show. And you just reach out to us.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: I want to interview you.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: Okay. There you go, guys. For Steve, they would like that.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: Do you have a lot of Neanderthal researchers that listen
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: to the show?
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I bet we have some consumers who would
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: rank high on a Neanderthal scale or whatever. But I'll
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: say this. I want somebody who has a high amount
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: on their 23andMe. They don't need to have that. Or
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: you want them. That's what I want.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: The highest.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: I want somebody. Who's 80% Neanderthal. Yeah.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Find the highest guy.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: And when I get them, I'm just going to send
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: them over to you too, Steve, because I think you
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: would do well. And because you might be able to
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: notice some patterns that they have or behaviors.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Who, if whatever I had low, who is the highest?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: Who's the highest? Somebody has to have the highest Neanderthal amount.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: I know that there is a, I was reading a book. Um,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: I read a lot of anthropology books.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: I can't remember if it was the seven daughters of Eve.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: I was reading a book about human history and in it,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: they were pointing to some controversy around this question.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Um, it's not always, uh, people don't always look upon this. Uh,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: this is not something that everybody likes to talk about.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Where you see like as much as I'd be whatever,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: proud of it or whatever. There are places in the
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: world where these geneticists see- More Entals? Yeah, more Neanderthal
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: in certain areas. And it's a sensitive subject. It winds
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: up being a sensitive subject. So you might wind up
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: having not only a fascinating show, but you might have
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: a show that courts a certain level of controversy.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: But what I've found, because I'm interested in this subject,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: I've found that there's a sort of trend in academics. Uh-huh.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: to that were, there's a trend in academics of being
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: that we're like rebranding Neanderthals. So it wants to be like, oh,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: they had art. Oh, they like wore jewelry. Oh, they
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: were free divers. They, do you know what I mean?
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: Like every, like. Why do you think we're doing that?
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Do you think that.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know why. It's like, cause there's this, there
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: used to be this idea that there were these like
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: thuggish brutes.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: You know, but there's like, when you look, when you,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: if you kind of follow Neanderthals, tall news.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: Like I do.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: There's a thing in Twitter. Yeah. There's like a theme of,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: of this kind of like this delight, like this kind
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: of delighted realization about how come, like how complex their
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: culture was, how complex their society was. It'd be like,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: like you don't find like, man, it turns out they
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: were dumber than we thought.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: That's not like a news story. It would be like, Oh,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: they appreciated the finer things in life.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like the branding. It's like even when it
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: goes back to like you were talking about the bald eagle.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: It's like just that PR, that spin.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: They have a very, very good PR agency. Neanderthals right now.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: I have a good one on retainer. And they're getting
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of good ink about that they liked art
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: and movies, you know. It's like they're just getting cooler
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: and cooler.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. They love Stand By Me. You're like, that's insane, dude.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, dude.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: Start paying attention to Neanderthal news, and you'll see what
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about. When I get my guest on, he'll
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: tell you all about it. Oh, I love that.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: I'll send you the episode. I love that you're going
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: to have that, man. Dude, what would be better?
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: Of course, I could talk about humans all day long, bro.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: Listening to two Neanderthals talk about themselves, they wouldn't know
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: a lot, but they would try pretty hard. That could
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: be us, dude. That's awesome. That's really awesome, dude. People
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: tell you you look like Harry Connick Jr. sometimes.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: No, I've gotten, I used to get Kevin Bacon.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: That's who it is, dude.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: I used to get a dude from, remember the show
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: where they would like do all the crazy stunts to
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: each other? Oh. Johnny Knoxville.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Johnny Knoxville. I could see that, Tom.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: I would get that.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: What else would I get? Those are good. Those are
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: good ones.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: I don't see that one too clear. Because I don't
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: never get, I never do clever shit with my hair.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Johnny's hair is always kind of stylish and stuff.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: So I think that Kevin Bacon, like he doesn't get
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: too clever with his hair.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: I saw that.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: He was kicking ass when I was a kid in
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: the movie making business, man. You know?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's such a talented guy. I saw the guy
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: who was in Fight Club the other night.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Brad Pitt?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: I saw Edward Norton the other night.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: With some friends. It was like at a little restaurant.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: And I was like, is that Edward Norton? And it
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: was him.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: I don't look like him.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: No, you don't. I'd love to look like him, Edward Norton.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. If you had to look like
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: a woman, who do you think you'd look like?
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: That's a great question. I don't know. There's one out there.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: No, I'm sure. But look, if we get to pick,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: that's why we're in this conversation, dude. I didn't want
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: to talk about it, but let's talk about it. What
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is if you got to look like a woman,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: who would you look like? It's kind of a good question.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: trying to think who I could see you as.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not even like, like equipped, man. I can't really
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: think of what you're getting. I mean, like if I
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: was a woman, what woman would I want to look like?
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: Or if I had to be a dude that looked.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: Like a woman, what are you talking about? I don't know.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about some fucking chop shop aftermarket woman.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about some, I'm talking about a certified bone
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: in woman, like your woman from the jump. Yeah.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: But what I'm getting at is there's two ways of
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: looking at it. You're saying that, I remain a dude.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: I remain a guy.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: I become a woman.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: No. What woman do I become? You're a woman from
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: the start. Say somebody.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, like going back, I was born a woman. Yes.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: And then I wanted to pick which of these women
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: I wanted to look like.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Right, like which woman would you be good at? Which
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: woman would you be, I wonder? It's a great question, actually.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who you would be. Let me
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: think about it for just a second.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, man. For some reason, the name
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: Naomi Watts keeps coming to my.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Head, but I don't know why. It's just popping in
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: my head. Little pervert.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: It's just popping in my head. I don't mean it to.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: Bring her up.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: It just popped in my head. I don't want to
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: be held to it. It popped in my head. Dude,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: it's not a bad choice. She's great. Naomi Watts. I
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: It just popped in my head. I don't know.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: A thousand Watts.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: I look exactly like that anyway.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: I'm in, dude.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: That's what I look like.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why, dude, there were some cuties in our neighborhood,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: and that's why people started doing Peep and Tom. I'll
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: tell you this. If you grew up around busted women,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: nobody's getting that stepstool out. You know that shit. Oh,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: there we are right there. There's you and Joe right there.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: No. No, that's not– I'd be more like– That's my
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: nose on the left. It'd have to be one of
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: those dudes and Naomi Watts.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, neither one of those is us. I saw– what
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: were you talking about? I saw something you were talking
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: about going on a safari in Africa. Oh, did you
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: notice this?
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: I did do that, but yeah. But either way.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: I noticed that like– That's what I was talking about,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: the snakes and shit. Yeah. When I went to Africa, right?
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: So I went there like a couple times for some
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: different safaris and stuff like that. I felt like some
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: of the people, when you look in their eyes there,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: it goes further back in time. Does that make any
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: sense to you at all?
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: I think that it may have, but I believe that
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: that would be your.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: Perception of that?
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: That would be your perception.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: Right. Dude, I talked to this one guy, and I
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: was like, this guy, he just got down just back through.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, it just felt like it went back to
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: where the fingers of existence first snapped right there at
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: the damn sound.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: You've gone hunting in Africa? I did for the first
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: time ever this summer.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: You did. Did you enjoy it?
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Life-changing experience.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: In what way?
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: I hadn't been to that continent. it wasn't like the
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: going hunting there was life changing, but one of the
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: things I like about hunting is it immerses you and
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: it immerses you in a situation and immerses you in
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: an environment in a deeper way than you would be
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: immersed otherwise. Cause you're doing something very like very ancient
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: and base, you know? So it wasn't the experience of
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: being there hunting, but just the, I hadn't been, that
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: was like, I hadn't visited that continent. And so I
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: got to go to a couple of places and it
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: was just, it just scrambled up my head. about when
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: you see different ways of living. So in that way,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: it was profound. To me, it was profound.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: Did you guys visit some innate cultures there and stuff
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: like that?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like some really ancient cultures. I spent a little
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: bit of time in this place called Maasai Land. Met
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: Maasai dudes that are herders. They'll live in structures they
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: make themselves from native material and herd cattle and been
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: herding cattle since then. from our perspective, since the beginning
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: of time on this place.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: Did it feel like traveling back in time a little bit?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it did for me, for sure. Just like those
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: glimpses into cultures that have remained relative to our own
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: that have remained very constant. Here's some photos of Maasai.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: Folks. Oh, that was very eyeopening. The dark Amish right there.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: Being out there, herders, you know, they're like, um, beautiful. Oh,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: it's dude. Stunning. Stunning.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: Do you think they have such a different relationship with
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: existence than we do?
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Me too.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Like they send their, they, they send like
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: the kids bust their ass. They'll spend, they'll send little
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: kids out. Like when, when they'll send their kids out
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: to watch the goat herds, man, those kids don't drink
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: water and eat until they come home at night. they,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: they raise them to be tough, tough, tough. You kick
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: it more as a grownup, like kids will work real hard,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: you know? And as you get older, you get, you
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: kind of get more of like, you get to kick
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: it a little bit more, but when you're a kid,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: you bust ass. Um, that was fascinating. A lot about
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: it was fascinating. And I also liked like the animals,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: a thing that I've been, there's a thing that I've
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: like lamented in, in, in, in conversations with my friends
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: and my writing and all kinds of things. I've, I often,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time thinking about studying, talking
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: about writing about, uh, ice age America. So our continent,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: what it was like in the, at the, the, the
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Pleistocene whole, the scene trans transition. So like humans that
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: were here during the tail end of the ice age,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: the first people that came here, what was their, what
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: were their lives like? Um, and they lived amongst this,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: this great abundance of, And diversity of wildlife that we
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: don't have now.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: Mammoths, mastodons, short-faced bears, right? All this kind of shit.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: They had a giant, like a beaver that was the
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: size of a black bear. There was an American lion.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Fuck, man.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: We got a bunch of shit.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: There was like multiple. Aftermarket shit.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: But we don't have shit. So going there, like that
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: was the one continent. That was the one continent where
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: all the big shit didn't vanish.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: We got fucking Vichons. Yeah.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: That's the Africa is the one continent where humans and
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: all this mega fauna.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: Never changed.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: They, for whatever reason, it's the one continent where all
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: the big shit didn't vanish. So you still have that
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: great diversity of wildlife. So you can sit in the
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: U S like if you're a guy like me, who's
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: a really interesting history, you can sit in the U
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: S and lament that our elephants are gone. Like we
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: don't have like nine, 10, 11, 12, species of ungulates
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  Speaker 2: running around at any given time antelopes yeah like whatever
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  Speaker 2: but you go to africa like oh.
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  Speaker 5: That that's what they were talking about like the ice
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  Speaker 5: age yeah like the ice age is alive and well
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  Speaker 5: like there is an elephant there's a hippo there's stuff
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  Speaker 5: that weighs thousands of pounds like thousands of pounds there's
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  Speaker 5: stuff that weighs tons you know and.
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  Speaker 2: So it it didn't What happened everywhere else didn't happen there.
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  Speaker 2: So that was to go like, oh, it's not gone.
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  Speaker 2: It's somewhere else. But you can go and be like,
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  Speaker 2: this is what it would be like.
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  Speaker 1: I wrote down a list.
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  Speaker 2: I kept a list on my notes function in my phone.
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  Speaker 2: I kept a list of like large mammals, large mammals
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  Speaker 2: species that we encountered. And I can't remember, man. By
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  Speaker 2: the time we were done, we had like 27. I
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  Speaker 2: could pull out my phone and show you. Maybe I
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  Speaker 2: have it. Anyways, I had like 27 large mammal species
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  Speaker 2: that I personally laid eyes on. That's cool. And that
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  Speaker 2: would be, like, that's the shit we're talking about, like,
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  Speaker 2: in Ice Age America. And so life-changing in those kind
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  Speaker 2: of ways. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if you had a brain scan whenever you
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: see those types of things, right, as a human. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if there's a different reaction that happens in your
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: brain as opposed to when you see different animals. Like,
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  Speaker 1: does it take us back to a part of us that, like,
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  Speaker 1: knew those animals well or knew that they existed?
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  Speaker 2: There's a theory about that, that, like, why do, that,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: you know, when you take babies and make a mobile. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: animal things there's this kind of seems to me kind
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: of a cockamamie theory but there's this idea that and
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: this is kind of like ancestral Africa thing that that
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  Speaker 2: those animals resonate with babies because it's drawing back to
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  Speaker 2: some deep deep memory Oh, the animals that are on
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: a mobile mega fauna. Oh, I don't buy it.
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  Speaker 1: It's always a giraffe.
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  Speaker 2: I don't buy that shit. But I think it's like
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  Speaker 2: I said, I think it's a little goofy, but.
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  Speaker 1: There is that idea. Bluey resonates with, you know what
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? That's crazy. You think Thomas the train resonates
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  Speaker 1: like from prehistory or whatever?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's just it's just an idea. But there is
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  Speaker 2: a thing that is that I do think about when
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: I think about animals and deep history and shit that's
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: gone is as bummed as you can get. As bummed
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: as you can get about animals that used to be
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: around that aren't anymore, like the way little kids trip
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: out about dinosaurs being gone, as bummed as you might
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: get about all that, the biggest animal to ever live,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: the largest animal to ever live on the face of
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: the earth is here right now.
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  Speaker 1: And it is a blue whale?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, biggest animal to ever live on the face of
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: the earth. So when little kids are like, golly, those dinosaurs,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, The big.
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  Speaker 1: Boss is still here.
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  Speaker 2: The biggest animal to ever live is here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the DMX of fucking animals.
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  Speaker 2: If you put your effort into it, you go see
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  Speaker 2: the biggest animal that ever lived on the face of
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  Speaker 2: the earth.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, that is crazy. And it gives you hope that
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: if he wants, he'll bring those other ones back, that
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  Speaker 1: they can do it with science if they can do it. Dude,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to happen soon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I disagree, but that's a different time.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that another time, though. But, dude, one thing,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: I will say this. I went on a safari, and
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: were they all right? So the guy, it was like
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: in Amboseli or somewhere. I think we were in maybe
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: in Kenya. And the guy took us.
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  Speaker 2: But you're on a photo safari.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were just like in. Yeah, we didn't get.
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  Speaker 1: We got out, but only near the place we were staying.
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  Speaker 3: Got it.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise, we were just kind of in. Cruising in trucks.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: Cruising in trucks, yeah. Oh, there was a pride alliance
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: that kind of came around us at one point. And
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: they were just laying down. Like they weren't bothering us
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: or anything. And the guy is like, do not stand
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: up in here. Everybody just stay here. I'm going to
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: start the engine up in a little bit. I'm just
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: going to back out of here. And they were like,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: someone like six or seven feet away. Like it was
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: definitely pretty gnarly. It was probably like seven or eight
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: of them. And this one woman's fucking phone goes off.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a, like a, it was like a
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: iCarly ringtone or something. It was like some, I don't
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: know what that means. It was some TV, some children's
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: in world. It was just like, fuck, we're going to die.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: And she immediately kind of just like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's just funny.
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  Speaker 2: You thought it would have startled the cat. The cat
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: might have done something.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. The guy just said, do not make
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: any sharp moves. Do not stand up. And this lady's
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: camera like phone went off and she kind of went
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: like that. And the guy just turned around. But it's
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: just like in a moment's notice, like you can be
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: wiped out because of ignorant human ignorance, you know, human error.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: So again, it takes up psychological space.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: Big old cats.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah but man uh yeah i appreciate you coming
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: and talking man this is a lot of fun no
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: i enjoyed it yeah it was a lot of fun
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: man i gotta um come over there and go on
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: one of your journeys sometimes if you guys i'll take
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: you out to do something yeah do you guys go
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: in montana yeah that's where i live yeah it is
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: yeah dude i love to fish what do you like
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: to catch.
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  Speaker 2: Catfish you like catfishing.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: I like catfish but i would be well i'm willing
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: to catch other fish as.
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  Speaker 2: Well what's the kind of fish you'd most like to
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: catch I.
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  Speaker 1: Would like to catch probably one of those big, long trout.
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  Speaker 2: Big, long trout.
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  Speaker 1: Like the ones you see that Brad Pitt and his
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: brother caught, remember? Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Those.
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  Speaker 1: Those are awesome, dude.
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  Speaker 2: We can arrange that, man. I would be honored to
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: take you out fishing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be in Montana at the beginning of,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: I think, the first week of October. I don't know
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: if you're.
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  Speaker 2: Going to be over there or not. Yeah, I might be.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: What are you doing there?
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to go to some seminar kind of thing
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: Seminar?
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what it's for.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: On Neanderthals?
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  Speaker 1: I wish. Dude, if it is, and I can bring somebody.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, please, ask around.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be like, hey, look, if it is,
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: I'll make sure to do some recon for you.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd appreciate it. No, yeah, it'll be fun.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: It'd be fun, dude, to go fish. You know, I think, yeah, like.
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  Speaker 2: Do you ever do? have you ever done a float? Like,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: you want to float down a river and catch trout?
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: I've never done that before.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I've done, I've done a, whatever the one, not the fucking, like,
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: I've done fly fishing. Oh.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've done fly fishing, yeah. You've done fly fishing.
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  Speaker 2: Do you like that?
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: I did like it. It was cool, man. I only
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: got to do it one time. Do you like the water?
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: Have you ever spearfished? I've never spearfished. I love to fish, though. Well,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: I would be honored to take you fishing, man.
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  Speaker 2: That'd be fun. Cool. All right, we'll do it.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: That'd be great.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: It'd be awesome, man. Thanks for all your contributions to
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: just helping people learn about the outdoors and the history
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: of the outdoors. I know you have a book out
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: that might be your newest book about Um, when people
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: were looking for beaver pellets and stuff across North America.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: So, um, it's about mountain men, right?
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: I have a new, there's a new meat eater season
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: coming out. And then we have, I've been working on
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: these things, these meat eaters, American history series. We did
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: one on the long hunters. So like Daniel Boone was
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: a family. He used to hunt this country, Daniel in
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: the deer skin trade. So the late colonial deer skin
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: trade did one on the mountain men, the beaver trade.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: And then our new one coming out now is called
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: The Hide Hunters. And it's about the people that wiped
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: out the last 15 million buffalo off the Great Plains
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: at the end of the Civil War. So it's these
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: things about market hunting history. That's pre-sale. That's available for
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: pre-sale right now. But we just finished that, The Hide Hunters.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: So the Meat Eaters American History Series. That's a lot
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: of the shit we talk, like, like what you and
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: I have been talking about. It's a lot of, that's
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: kind of a home for a lot of that information. Cool.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of like human history.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: Wildlife, like how resources get exploited, overexploited, recovered. Those, those,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: those series, they're audio originals, right? I do print books too,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: but those are like audio, they're audio stories. Like I, we, that,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: that me and a researcher, we like put them together.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: I narrate them. And they kind of tell that story
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: of America through like American history, American movement through these
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: kind of like Keystone wildlife species that supported a lot
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: of industry and economic activity at different times. Cause for
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: a long time, that's what American economies were driven by
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: was leather. Yeah. Fur and leather.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is it interesting to see that like hunting has like
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: taken away species? Like, I mean, it's kind of.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: Take some way and put some back.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, we've done, we like speaking collectively hunters, um,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: as much as I hesitate to speak collectively, like the
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: practice of hunting has done a lot of damage and
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: has done a lot of recovery. We've righted like we
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: collectively historically hunters have, done a lot in the last
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: century done an extraordinary amount in the last century to
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: right the wrongs of our fathers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah well i think it does feel like in the
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: end like the general feeling of a lot of hunters
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: it's not just about going out and killing something it's
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: about having a relationship uh with nature yeah.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: Anyone who's serious about it that's what drives it yeah
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: that desire like if you just have a desire to
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: go out and kill something it doesn't.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: Last long yeah you can fucking do that in memphis
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: it doesn't last um thank you man steve ranella thank
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: you so much dude and thanks for putting up with
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: me today and uh.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: I appreciate i appreciate the opportunity i look forward to
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: us going fishing together that'd be a great time it
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: was fun i got a bunch of friends gonna be
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: jealous really shit i might bring one of them bring
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: very good friend of mine seth he's a huge fan
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: of yours oh really shit in his pants and i
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: told him i was coming on your show.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: Oh that's cool dude yeah bring dude yeah maybe he'll
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: fish with us oh yeah if he wants to come
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't he.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: Won't say anything weird he probably won't say much.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: At all it already seems weird But it's okay, man.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: It would be an honor, man. Thank you so much.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Steve. Now I'm just floating on the
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: breeze And I feel I'm falling like these leaves I
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: must be cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: I'll share this peace of mind I found I can
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: feel it in my bones