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UK Column News — 13th April 2026 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Today is Monday, the thirteenth of April twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Brian Gerrish. Delighted of Ben Rubin with
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Speaker 1: me in the studio. We're also very delighted to have
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Speaker 1: a guest with us today who's a master NLP practitioner
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Speaker 1: and he will be joining to talk about essentially the
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Speaker 1: swamping of the population with applied psychological control that's both
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Speaker 1: through the government and through other areas. But we'll come
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Speaker 1: back on to that in just a moment. So we've
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Speaker 1: got a really busy news We're going to be of
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Speaker 1: course having a look at the backdrop to war, the
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Speaker 1: failed peace talks between the Americans in Iran and where
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Speaker 1: that's led. We're going to have a look at this
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Speaker 1: theme of chaos and confusion because I know many people
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Speaker 1: are feeling very stressed at the moment. You can sense
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Speaker 1: it on the four courts of garages of people of
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Speaker 1: topping their cars up with fuel or with petrol or diesel,
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Speaker 1: and the price there's more to it than just that
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Speaker 1: pricing increase. You can almost feel the stress.
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Speaker 2: Ben.
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Speaker 1: You're going to be having a look at relations with Israel,
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Speaker 1: in particular with trade. We're also going to be looking
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Speaker 1: at the deeper UK Israel Memorandum of understanding, the partnership
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Speaker 1: with Israel. You're going to be looking at Palanteer and
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Speaker 1: that very pernicious relationship between the UK government and this
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Speaker 1: favored Israeli company. And you're also taking a little look
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Speaker 1: at the Trump Kushner relationship, which I think is going
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Speaker 1: to be fascinating.
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Speaker 2: Ben.
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Speaker 1: We do need to look to the people who are
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Speaker 1: putting themselves forward on the world stage, leads. Who are
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Speaker 1: these people, what do they really think? What's their morality?
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Speaker 1: And I think that will be interesting. And we're going
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Speaker 1: to end today with a look at Ireland and the
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Speaker 1: increasing farming protests. But let's kick off straight away with
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Speaker 1: the peace talks. So we've got the bizarre situation that
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Speaker 1: the peace talks between the US and the Iranians has
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Speaker 1: failed and the blocked straits of Hormos are now to
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Speaker 1: be blocked. So if we just pop that one back
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Speaker 1: on screen, we want to get a label over this.
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Speaker 1: And what we're really looking at here is chaos and madness,
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Speaker 1: and there is clearly under the surf it's a drive
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Speaker 1: for more war, there's no question of this. Now many
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Speaker 1: people talking about the peace talks being sabotaged by Israel.
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Speaker 1: That may be the case, and I'm sure that UK
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Speaker 1: column News on coming Wednesday will be looking at that
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Speaker 1: more in detail. But we want to get under the
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Speaker 1: surface a bit more and particular see what's happening that's
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Speaker 1: going to directly affect the UK. Now, what's been happening
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Speaker 1: over the last few days is the London Defense Conference,
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Speaker 1: and I suppose the message from that is relaxed, we
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Speaker 1: are all working to keep you safe, and just give
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Speaker 1: you a flavor of this. I'm going to go back
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Speaker 1: in time to a look to a looking last at
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Speaker 1: last year when Keir Starmer addressed that very sane event.
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Speaker 1: So let's just have a little listen to what he said.
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Speaker 3: It's a real privilege to be able to speak to
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Speaker 3: you here today on the day eighty years to the
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Speaker 3: day since an expectant nation turned on the wireless to
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Speaker 3: hear Churchill announced victory in our war against Nazi journal
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Speaker 3: a celebration of defiance, of sacrifice, the courage of that
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Speaker 3: lionhearted generation, the greatest victory in the history of this
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Speaker 3: great nation.
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Speaker 1: Well, there we are, of course the stunning music and
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Speaker 1: our illustrious Prime Minister Keir Starmer telling us that really
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Speaker 1: he's got it all under control. And we can think
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Speaker 1: back with more memories of the ending of World War Two.
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Speaker 1: But we're going to say, in twenty twenty six there's
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Speaker 1: a very different reality, and perhaps we get a measure
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Speaker 1: of that by this Express headline just a couple of
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Speaker 1: days ago, UK announces major World War three preparation as
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Speaker 1: Brits worn to get ready to fight. Now, this is
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Speaker 1: a very strong headline when you get into this article.
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Speaker 1: It's talking about something called the war book. We can't
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Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on this, but during the
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Speaker 1: Second World War was a particular book with all the
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Speaker 1: preparations for war, and that war book style is now
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Speaker 1: be updated because we're going to need it apparently in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: One of the experts mentioned in that article is this
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Speaker 1: gentleman Dr Rob Johnson, director of the Changing Character of
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Speaker 1: Conflict Center in Oxford, and he's pretty upbeat that we're
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Speaker 1: going to war. We're about ninety four ninety five percent complete,
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Speaker 1: in other words, we're really quite close to the threat
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Speaker 1: of an armed conflict. Well, I think this man must
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Speaker 1: have missed something because we have been participating in two
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Speaker 1: wars recently, that's the Ukraine War and the war against Iran.
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Speaker 1: Let's get a measure of this man because he's quite unusual.
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Speaker 1: He's got a military background apparently, but that's not mentioned
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Speaker 1: at all in the public realm. It's very difficult to
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Speaker 1: pin down who what he was, but the feeling is
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Speaker 1: that he was probably a relatively low rank officer army,
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Speaker 1: possibly raw Breens, with some he experience in the field.
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Speaker 1: But he's now been taken on board as an expert,
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Speaker 1: not only working with the university, but deep inside UK government.
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Speaker 1: Let's kind of feel for this man in this video clip.
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Speaker 4: Doctor Rob Johnson is the director of the Changing Character
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Speaker 4: of War Center at the University of Oxford. He's Director
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Speaker 4: of the Office of Net Assessment in the Ministry of
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Speaker 4: Defense in the UK and an expert on the history
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Speaker 4: and future of warfare. How can those fighting for their
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Speaker 4: liberty best be assisted and supported?
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Speaker 2: Rob Johnson?
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Speaker 4: What pushes people to fight when they will not see
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Speaker 4: the fruits of their victory.
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Speaker 5: It's one of those paradoxes, isn't it a history that
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Speaker 5: people are faced with imminent destruction, but somehow are driven
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Speaker 5: to some cause for which they wish to fight.
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Speaker 2: I think there's a clear.
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Speaker 5: Answer, but I think what we tend to do is
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Speaker 5: sanitize it to two categories, the push factors and the
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Speaker 5: pull factors. So what pulls people in is a sense
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Speaker 5: of community and identity, whereas what's driving them often maybe
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Speaker 5: more undisturbing, the idea they might be looking for revenge
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Speaker 5: or that their family have been wronged in some way.
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Speaker 5: And some, of course are quite mercenary and maybe be
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Speaker 5: drawn into a cause for a lot less noble reasons.
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Speaker 2: But I think it remains a paradox. We're never quite
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Speaker 2: sure because everyone's.
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Speaker 5: Individual behaviors are shaped by their own circumstances and by
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Speaker 5: their own context.
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Speaker 2: So there's no general answer I think I can give.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about the audience, so I don't
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Speaker 1: get a particular warm feeling for this man. He's served,
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Speaker 1: we think, but he doesn't quite understand what loyalty to
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Speaker 1: are cause is. He doesn't really understand what motivates people
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Speaker 1: to fight for their country. I find this rather unusual.
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Speaker 1: Remember the power of this man working alongside the university
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Speaker 1: but also deep in government, but he did have something
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Speaker 1: to say in the article which I really paid attention to,
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Speaker 1: and it was this governments will take extraordinary steps. This
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Speaker 1: might include restricting movement, rationing food and fuel, as well
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Speaker 1: as using the media to promoke patriotism and demonize enemies.
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Speaker 1: And over the top of that, I'm going to say
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Speaker 1: he appears to be shy of talking about propaganda, but
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Speaker 1: that's the correct terminology and we UK Column team are
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Speaker 1: pretty sure that the government is really unleashing propaganda and
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Speaker 1: mind control on the UK population in order to get
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Speaker 1: us to go along with its drive for more war,
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Speaker 1: the latest being against Iran. Of course, Now on that subject,
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Speaker 1: let's bring in our guests today, David Moulden, also known
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Speaker 1: as Skyman. David, Welcome to UK Column News. You're a
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Speaker 1: master an LP practitioner. You've worked both in corporate companies
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Speaker 1: institutions but also inside government. Welcome to the News.
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Speaker 6: Thank you, Brian. It's the like to be here on
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Speaker 6: the show.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now we had a little bit of a chat
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Speaker 1: off camera and you had some really amazing things to say.
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Speaker 1: I said to you, it seems to me that the world,
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Speaker 1: particularly in the UK, is becoming ever more chaotic. It's
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Speaker 1: full of chaos and madness and why was this? And
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Speaker 1: you gave me a pretty stark answer because you said, well,
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Speaker 1: when people are in a confused state, they're much more
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Speaker 1: susceptible to being manipulated. So I'll leave that as an introduction.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell us about what's going on in
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Speaker 1: the UK with the use of political psychology.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so, well, at the start of the plandemic, Ah,
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Speaker 6: it was I never watch any any mainstream TV, but
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Speaker 6: it came through the alternative media. So we looked at
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Speaker 6: the BBC and there it was everything. We've got a
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Speaker 6: PM in intensive care. Now, this is a PM who
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Speaker 6: we know lies for a living, and you can easily
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Speaker 6: see the propaganda that's coming out. Initially, you know, everything
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Speaker 6: was read that we have the three words they had,
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Speaker 6: the the way that they were communicating it was to
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Speaker 6: keep everybody safe, to keep Grandma safe, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 6: And when there's a lot of cognitive dissonance around, when
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Speaker 6: people are confused, they don't know, they will grab onto
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Speaker 6: anything that gives them a little bit of certainty. And
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Speaker 6: clearly a lot of the messages were coming out We're
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Speaker 6: about certainty. You know, this is this is likely to happen.
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Speaker 6: If you don't want it to happen, go and get
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Speaker 6: the job.
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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
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Speaker 6: And straight away I could see what was happening. You know,
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Speaker 6: it was just pure fear driven propaganda.
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Speaker 1: Okay, David, thank you very much for that. They will
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Speaker 1: pop this time's image back on screen because I remember
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Speaker 1: this one very clearly, and of course all of the
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Speaker 1: emotional reporting around it that the Prime Minister was in
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Speaker 1: intensive care, and this clearly had an effect on people thinking, well, yes,
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Speaker 1: I must go and get my jabs. But you've also
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Speaker 1: picked out a selection of headlines here which shows the
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Speaker 1: sheer breadth of the material pushed at the public.
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Speaker 6: That's right. But I didn't believe it at all. I
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Speaker 6: didn't believe that he was in intensive care. I'm in
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Speaker 6: the camp that there was no virus at all. I
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Speaker 6: know it's still you know, there are people of different opinions,
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Speaker 6: but I just thought it was a flu strain that
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Speaker 6: was coming through and just carried on life as normal.
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Speaker 6: But when I saw that, I thought, this is propaganda
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Speaker 6: going absolutely crazy.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 6: I could almost imagine that the camera set up around
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Speaker 6: there and the whole way that that was orchestrated to
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Speaker 6: just pile on that fear and then get the media
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Speaker 6: to talk incessantly about the fact that the Prime Minister is,
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Speaker 6: you know, his life is in danger and he needs
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Speaker 6: to be put on a ventilator and he's so close
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Speaker 6: to death. No, I don't take that at all. That
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Speaker 6: doesn't strike me as being as being anything that's true.
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Speaker 1: Right now, David, as you make these comments, you've worked
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Speaker 1: professionally for many years as a practitioner in NLP neuroly
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Speaker 1: linguistic programming, and you've had that experience in big corporations,
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Speaker 1: and you've also had that experience in the government itself,
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Speaker 1: government departments. I know that there are many people that
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Speaker 1: are sort of very skeptical when we talk about using
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Speaker 1: these techniques in order to change the way people think
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Speaker 1: and behave. The government did admit that it was involved
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Speaker 1: in this and successfully doing it in the Cabinet Office
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Speaker 1: document mind Space from twenty ten. Can you share with
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Speaker 1: our audience today a little bit more about sort of
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Speaker 1: what you've been engaged with, what you've seen work in
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Speaker 1: big corporations, and also how the government has taken these
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Speaker 1: very powerful techniques on board.
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Speaker 6: Yes, so for my sins I have trained a number
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Speaker 6: of government departments in NLP, probably going back about twenty
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Speaker 6: years now, and notice difference in the way that they
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Speaker 6: responded to the training. Usually the training is either going
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Speaker 6: to be therapeutic, so you know, an individual wants to
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Speaker 6: deal with some trauma or to be more effective at
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Speaker 6: what they're doing, or often it's a chief executive or
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Speaker 6: an operational director that wants to use NLP to improve
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Speaker 6: communication or get the team working better. And usually when
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Speaker 6: you offer them the tools and techniques, they sit there
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Speaker 6: and they work out how to use it within their
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Speaker 6: organizations or apply it to themselves. Well, when I trained
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Speaker 6: the government, their response was very different. And this was
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Speaker 6: probably about thirty five people who were the direct reports
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Speaker 6: of some of the ministers and so fairly senior people.
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Speaker 6: And so you would introduce them to a topic or
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Speaker 6: an idea and then the notion is they do an
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Speaker 6: exercise and apply it toself or apply it to their
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Speaker 6: own situation to make some improvements. But they didn't want
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Speaker 6: to do that. So as I was walking around facilitating
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Speaker 6: the groups as they were working, none of them were
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Speaker 6: doing the exercise that I that I had given them.
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Speaker 6: They were talking in I couldn't really understand what they
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Speaker 6: were saying, but they were just trying to understand what
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Speaker 6: it is, but not talk about how to use it.
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Speaker 6: So I think that was significantly different. And at the
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Speaker 6: time I was thinking, why would you pay all this
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Speaker 6: money to get someone LP training and not do the
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Speaker 6: exercises and not get the benefit from it. So with
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Speaker 6: hindsight we can see what they were what they've been doing.
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Speaker 7: Right.
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Speaker 1: And another point, David that you touched on was the
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Speaker 1: fact that you are correct me if I've got the
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Speaker 1: wrong words, but that you suspected that, alongside the the
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Speaker 1: use of these psychological techniques in corporations and the government,
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Speaker 1: they were using it in training sessions for their own staff.
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Speaker 1: You suspected that staff, particularly in government circles, also being
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Speaker 1: selected based on what sort of person they were or
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Speaker 1: their inherent psychological makeup.
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Speaker 6: Mm hmm, yeah, I know the government used quite a
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Speaker 6: number of different psychometric tests. I know mayas Briggs is
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Speaker 6: quite it is quite common to be used. There's also
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Speaker 6: an NLP metric program questionnaire that I used to to
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Speaker 6: offer to people to get a sense of, you know,
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Speaker 6: where their psychology is. But yes, it's the case that
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Speaker 6: people are being selected or a certain type of character,
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Speaker 6: whatever that might be, you know, but they all seem
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Speaker 6: very very left brain, very left brain in terms of
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Speaker 6: how they responded and reacted, whereas usually in a group
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Speaker 6: will unless it's I or banking, of course, where the
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Speaker 6: predominance is, it seems to be left brain. In the
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Speaker 6: open programs, we'd get a mix of left brain and
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Speaker 6: right brain people, and that would you know, just be
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Speaker 6: a useful, useful mix in any group predominantly left brain.
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Speaker 1: So you're seeing a predominance of left brained people, Just
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Speaker 1: explain what is the significance of that? Why should we
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Speaker 1: pay attention to the fact that it appears that there's
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Speaker 1: been some selective process to produce more left brained people.
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Speaker 6: Whether that's the case or not, I can't say for sure,
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Speaker 6: but it does seem to me. When I've worked in
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Speaker 6: investment banks and I worked in IT companies, and I
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Speaker 6: worked in IT for about twenty five years, and one
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Speaker 6: of the things I've noticed creeping is that there was
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Speaker 6: less and less and less folocus on an individual and
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Speaker 6: helping an individual to succeed, and more focus on restructuring, reorganizing.
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Speaker 6: Let's do the organizational chart different let's shovel things around
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Speaker 6: as if they're playing with a jigsaw to improve the business.
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Speaker 6: And over time, I've seen a predominance of left brain.
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Speaker 6: I'll give you one example. I was working in an
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Speaker 6: investment bank and they were about twenty six I think
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Speaker 6: they were developers and the IT side of things. And
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Speaker 6: I walked into the bank and I saw the team.
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Speaker 6: They're in a big room, thirty five thirty six of them,
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Speaker 6: and they all had dividers, so they worked in a
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Speaker 6: little cubicle and if they wanted to communicate with a
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Speaker 6: person next to them, they'd just send an email. So
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Speaker 6: they're in this cubicle sending emails all day long, or
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Speaker 6: doing development work, whatever it is, and you don't see
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Speaker 6: people chatting with each other at all. So anyway, I
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Speaker 6: arranged the room and typically with an NLP trew, there'll
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Speaker 6: be no furniture. They'll just be a circle of chairs
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Speaker 6: so that we can be as open and as we
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Speaker 6: can and we can observe each other's physiologies. So initially
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Speaker 6: they walked into the room and they were a gas
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Speaker 6: that there were no tables. They were a gas that
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Speaker 6: they had to sit very close to another individual. And
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Speaker 6: within five minutes of starting the course, they all pushed
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Speaker 6: their chairs back as far as they could to have
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Speaker 6: enough more as much space as possible between the person
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Speaker 6: next to them. So these are a group of people
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Speaker 6: that are very uncomfortable with close contact communication with other
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Speaker 6: people because of the of the job they've done. I mean,
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Speaker 6: the job has kind of, you know, created that kind
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Speaker 6: of insular way of being in the world.
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Speaker 1: Right, And I'll just pop this one up on screen
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Speaker 1: because this is part of a news report from you
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Speaker 1: column in twenty sixteen when we were flagging up to
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Speaker 1: the audience. The government's mind space document. This is the
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Speaker 1: Cabinet Office document, and in there that it's said that
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Speaker 1: mind space effects depend at least partly on automatic influences
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Speaker 1: on behavior. This means that citizens may not fully realize
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Speaker 1: that their behavior has changed, or at least how it
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Speaker 1: is being changed. So, David, these are really powerful techniques.
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Speaker 1: And it's kind of frightening thoughts that the government can
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Speaker 1: use these techniques on population, using the billions of pounds
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Speaker 1: at its disposal to get into every form of media
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Speaker 1: or press channel, and it can change people's views and
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Speaker 1: values and the member of the public does not even
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Speaker 1: know that that's happened necessarily.
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Speaker 6: It's true. It's true. And anyone presenting to a group
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Speaker 6: that wants to impart information or encourage the group to
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Speaker 6: buy into some kind of project or idea or ideology, whatever,
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Speaker 6: there are language patterns that you can use to capture
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Speaker 6: people's attention and focus and get them to be okay
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Speaker 6: with what it is that you're presenting, even though in
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Speaker 6: the room there may be people that could be anti
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Speaker 6: what you're doing. And we used to teach these techniques
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Speaker 6: on presentation skills, you know, So how do you present
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Speaker 6: to an audience that perhaps doesn't really want to be there,
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Speaker 6: perhaps I've got other things on their mind? How do
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Speaker 6: you capture their attention? So there are particular language techniques,
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Speaker 6: voice techniques, behavioral techniques that you can use to grab
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Speaker 6: an audience's attention and have them focus in a positive
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Speaker 6: way on what it is that you want to deliver.
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Speaker 1: Okay, last point, David, I've often you the word malicious
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Speaker 1: when I've been describing the use of these very powerful
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Speaker 1: psychological techniques for political purposes. Is that reasonable? I could
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Speaker 1: say malicious or dangerous, But to me, it appears that
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Speaker 1: what's happening here is very dangerous because why should we
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Speaker 1: trust any member of government or the Behavioral Insights team
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Speaker 1: to reframe our minds? Why do they know better what
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Speaker 1: is their morality?
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Speaker 6: Yeah? Yes, yeah, it can be used like anything, you know,
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Speaker 6: it can be used for malicious purposes, it can be
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Speaker 6: used used for good purposes. And NLP was designed initially
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Speaker 6: as a therapy to help people to release themselves from
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Speaker 6: from trauma, to deal with all their demons, and to
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Speaker 6: to you know, be a little bit more confident and
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Speaker 6: more successful in their life. That's how it was developed.
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Speaker 6: But like anything, and ife can be used to cut
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Speaker 6: cheese or to stab someone, so it's it's how it's used.
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Speaker 6: One of the things that absolutely astonished me was the
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Speaker 6: scale of it. So, you know, I'd been working with
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Speaker 6: groups of people, you know, that want to use NLP
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Speaker 6: for for different positive reasons, either for self or for
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Speaker 6: their business, for their teams, et cetera. But to see
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Speaker 6: it being used on such a global scale was absolutely astonishing.
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Speaker 6: Astonishing that it could be done so easily, you know.
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Speaker 6: And you know, my my initial reaction was if we
23:39
Speaker 6: NLP people know what's going on, we should be talking
23:42
Speaker 6: about it. We should be really you know, letting people
23:45
Speaker 6: know what's going on, what's happening. And I had a
23:48
Speaker 6: pretty good LinkedIn account and I just put a little
23:51
Speaker 6: message in and say, hey, are you NLP trainers, you
23:54
Speaker 6: know what's going on? Come on, let's let's call it out.
23:58
Speaker 6: And so the next day my LinkedIn a help was
24:00
Speaker 6: shut down saying that and I haven't seen any major
24:07
Speaker 6: players in the NLP field that are speaking out about
24:10
Speaker 6: it at all, which disappointed me greatly.
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Speaker 1: Right, David, thank you very much for that excellent segment.
24:17
Speaker 1: You've kindly agreed to stay on with us for UK
24:20
Speaker 1: column Extra after the News, so we'll get into this
24:23
Speaker 1: in a lot more detail, but as an opening explanation
24:29
Speaker 1: of what's going on with the government. And of course
24:32
Speaker 1: they absolutely were using these techniques through the Sage team
24:36
Speaker 1: during lockdown in order to make people even more fearful,
24:41
Speaker 1: but we'll get into that detail in extra. So thank
24:44
Speaker 1: you very much for joining us. Well, if that's the
24:48
Speaker 1: reality that the government is actively working to manipulate people's
24:52
Speaker 1: minds and their viewpoints, we can be pretty sure that
24:56
Speaker 1: these techniques are going to be used to flavor people's
24:59
Speaker 1: opinions when they look at potential for war and I've
25:04
Speaker 1: already mentioned Ukraine and of course the war against Iran.
25:08
Speaker 1: Let's come back to the defense event in London and
25:13
Speaker 1: have a little look at this clip with the Chief
25:15
Speaker 1: of the Defense Staff being questioned on his relationship with
25:20
Speaker 1: the government against the backdrop that it's increasingly realized that
25:27
Speaker 1: UK's armed forces are in a perilous state. That's some
25:31
Speaker 1: look at his demeanor.
25:34
Speaker 8: Well, that's for the opportunity to speak to you today
25:37
Speaker 8: on the shadow fleet, as the promise and the defense
25:40
Speaker 8: sexual state. We are ready, but you will imagine understand
25:45
Speaker 8: that I'm not going to go into details about our
25:47
Speaker 8: operational planning, but we have good oversights of what Russia's
25:52
Speaker 8: doing and actually even the threat of US born in
25:55
Speaker 8: is having an impact on Russia's tactics. Ultimately, what we
25:59
Speaker 8: want is to start Russia gaining from this illegal trade.
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Speaker 7: And how can you accept, though, at this failure to
26:08
Speaker 7: even publish an investment plan. We don't even know where
26:11
Speaker 7: it's coming in. How can you accept that you're the
26:14
Speaker 7: head of the military. Why don't you sort of you know,
26:16
Speaker 7: fake a few people and get this moving.
26:19
Speaker 8: So what I want is a defense investment plan that
26:22
Speaker 8: is properly funded and delivers what we want. That takes
26:25
Speaker 8: a bit longer. I'd rather have something that works and
26:27
Speaker 8: we can deliver.
26:28
Speaker 7: So are you're holding out for more money?
26:29
Speaker 9: Is that the thing?
26:31
Speaker 8: As I said to you, the debate about what money
26:33
Speaker 8: is spent on defense is one for ministers to the
26:35
Speaker 8: side the transition to conflict, transition to war as it's
26:39
Speaker 8: described Nature describes it, transition to conflict as a military component,
26:43
Speaker 8: but also as a civilian component.
26:47
Speaker 1: So he's clearly very uncomfortable. He's quite red faced. I
26:50
Speaker 1: think he's sweating and he's wriggling around as these questions
26:54
Speaker 1: come in. So have we got confidence in this man?
26:57
Speaker 1: Absolutely not ware does he end war preparations for war.
27:03
Speaker 1: Let's have a look at Kenny Bandero talking to the
27:06
Speaker 1: London Defense Conference. This is quite a long little segment,
27:09
Speaker 1: but I think it's important for people to watch.
27:16
Speaker 10: Good Morning. While the outcome of this war in Iran
27:21
Speaker 10: remains uncertain, what's clear is that the United States is
27:26
Speaker 10: playing by very different rules from what we're used to.
27:31
Speaker 10: Look at the threats we face in the world. China, Russia, Iran,
27:35
Speaker 10: North Korea, these countries do not share a common ideology.
27:40
Speaker 10: What they do share is a common objective to weaken
27:44
Speaker 10: the West and promote their own economic and strategic interests.
27:49
Speaker 10: We have allowed ourselves to drift into the rule of
27:53
Speaker 10: commentator with little capability. General Sir Richard Barons, author of
28:00
Speaker 10: the government's Strategic Defense Review, stripped away the pretense when
28:05
Speaker 10: he said today's army frankly, could do one very small thing.
28:10
Speaker 10: It could seize a small market town on a good day.
28:15
Speaker 10: The heart of every patriot, everyone who cares about our
28:19
Speaker 10: armed forces, will have shrunk at the news that our
28:21
Speaker 10: Royal Navy had not a single warship in the Gulf
28:25
Speaker 10: as war was breaking out, And then at the time
28:29
Speaker 10: it took to get HMS Dragon to the Mediterranean, only
28:33
Speaker 10: for her to run into technical problems. I'm not a
28:38
Speaker 10: military expert, but I do understand the nature of power.
28:43
Speaker 10: Power does not come from wishful thinking. Power does not
28:48
Speaker 10: come from speeches about values if those values are not
28:51
Speaker 10: defended by hard capability.
28:56
Speaker 1: So obviously some clips taken out of her talk there,
28:59
Speaker 1: But Chienzo power. This is a woman very interested in
29:02
Speaker 1: power and what it can be, what it can do.
29:05
Speaker 1: So think about that. Also think about the fact that
29:08
Speaker 1: clearly it's a nonsense that actually there's any difference between
29:11
Speaker 1: the Labor Party and the Conservative Party. So whatever Stormer
29:16
Speaker 1: is doing in the backdrop, this lady is pushing very
29:20
Speaker 1: hard for some really serious things to happen. So I've
29:24
Speaker 1: taken some of that out of her talk. The first
29:26
Speaker 1: thing is she said that the Chief of the Defense
29:28
Speaker 1: Staff had said that the country was ready to deal
29:32
Speaker 1: with threats, whether it was Iran or Russia, but she
29:35
Speaker 1: says we're not ready.
29:37
Speaker 2: Now.
29:38
Speaker 1: This is where there was a lot of manipulation going on,
29:40
Speaker 1: because a lot of things she said were accurate and true,
29:44
Speaker 1: and they were very emotive because they were talking about
29:47
Speaker 1: the complete collapse of the military in UK. But here's
29:51
Speaker 1: the real kicker, because she said very clearly we must rearm.
29:57
Speaker 1: This is not about rebuilding a stable UK defense. This
30:02
Speaker 1: is about rearming the country for war. And then she
30:07
Speaker 1: also casually added that we need to integrate the military
30:12
Speaker 1: together with the private sector. And to me, I thought,
30:15
Speaker 1: my goodness. If we thought the military industrial complex was
30:19
Speaker 1: already out of control, now the military is going to
30:22
Speaker 1: be fully absorbed into that complex. But here's where psychology
30:28
Speaker 1: was also used, because she said the UK is trapped
30:31
Speaker 1: in a conspiracy of stupidity. What she wanted the audience
30:36
Speaker 1: to believe was that that stupidity had destroyed UK's armed forces,
30:41
Speaker 1: when of course the reality is the armed forces have
30:44
Speaker 1: been destroyed in a very very calculated policy political way.
30:50
Speaker 1: She then showed her own stupidity by saying that we
30:54
Speaker 1: would need a budget to rearm. The Tories under her
30:59
Speaker 1: would fund an additional six thousand regular army troops and
31:04
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand reservists. That would be enough to take a
31:08
Speaker 1: small parish council. So she herself shows the stupidity which
31:14
Speaker 1: she criticizes, and she also says, well, we've got to
31:18
Speaker 1: change the way the system works in UK because the
31:21
Speaker 1: Ukrainians are desperate to get involved with the British industry
31:25
Speaker 1: to build drones. But the tragedy is that the British
31:30
Speaker 1: companies are not quite ready to do so. Excuse me. So,
31:34
Speaker 1: if that was Kemi Badanock talking to the nation through
31:38
Speaker 1: that defense conference in London, let's hear the real Kemy
31:43
Speaker 1: Badanock and the real agenda in her head, which emerges
31:49
Speaker 1: when she took talks to conservative friends of Israel.
31:56
Speaker 10: And Jeremy thank you for that wonderful introduction for all
32:00
Speaker 10: of your work leading c FI through one of the
32:04
Speaker 10: most difficult and important periods in our modern political history.
32:10
Speaker 10: Chief Rabbi, your excellencies, my lords, ladies, and gentlemen. The
32:16
Speaker 10: Conservative Party's unwavering support for Israel exists because of what
32:22
Speaker 10: you have built. And then I got an email from
32:26
Speaker 10: someone asking how I could possibly support Israel. It wasn't
32:31
Speaker 10: the most polite email I'd ever received, but it's one
32:34
Speaker 10: of the easiest questions for me to answer. Why do
32:38
Speaker 10: I support Israel? It's because I know what the alternative
32:42
Speaker 10: looks like. I was lucky to be born here, but
32:47
Speaker 10: I grew up under a military dictatorship a country that
32:51
Speaker 10: was still recovering from a civil war that tore it apart.
32:55
Speaker 10: In Nigeria, that conflict left more than a million dead,
32:59
Speaker 10: mostly through starvation. It changed everything. It changed if people
33:04
Speaker 10: trusted their neighbors, how the state viewed its citizens, how
33:07
Speaker 10: whole regions were left behind for generations. And in the
33:11
Speaker 10: north of the country, variations of Islamist groups terrorized and
33:17
Speaker 10: slaughtered Muslim and Christian groups alike. Eleven years ago, they
33:23
Speaker 10: stole over three hundred schoolgirls, hundreds of them never to
33:27
Speaker 10: be seen again. So I recognized the evil of those
33:32
Speaker 10: who kidnapped children who still loved ones, so they can
33:36
Speaker 10: torture their relatives and family members every single day with
33:39
Speaker 10: the hope and the fear of ever seeing them again.
33:43
Speaker 10: I was last in Israel two years ago, launching negotiations
33:47
Speaker 10: for the free Trade Agreement, and when I visited Tel Aviv,
33:51
Speaker 10: I saw a country built on innovation, a startup powerhouse
33:55
Speaker 10: that fuels our tech sector and supplies life saving medicine
34:00
Speaker 10: to our NHS. And in Jerusalem, I saw a proud,
34:05
Speaker 10: diverse nation with freedom of religion, freedom of speech. Was
34:10
Speaker 10: it perfect? No, was not perfect. Did they have difficulties, Yes,
34:14
Speaker 10: yes it did, but it also had a dominant shared
34:19
Speaker 10: culture that brought people together based on what they had
34:22
Speaker 10: in common, not what divided them. And let's be honest,
34:26
Speaker 10: these are not universal values. They are Israeli values. They
34:31
Speaker 10: are British values, and they are Conservative values. And that
34:35
Speaker 10: is why the Conservative Party will always stand up for them.
34:40
Speaker 10: So to those who ask me why do you support Israel,
34:44
Speaker 10: I say, this is not just about Israel. The attack
34:50
Speaker 10: on Israel is part of a broader assault on Western
34:53
Speaker 10: values and assault on free democratic countries by an axis
34:58
Speaker 10: of authoritarian states aainst Israel, against Ukraine and against our
35:02
Speaker 10: own institutions. Israel is at the front line in the
35:07
Speaker 10: fight for the West. Their fight is our fight.
35:14
Speaker 1: So there you are. It's Israel, it's Nigeria. Israel's fight
35:18
Speaker 1: is our fight. Essentially the UK, It's my opinion, is
35:23
Speaker 1: not really mentioned. There's something else going on here. Now.
35:26
Speaker 1: If you want to understand this deeper, we have to
35:28
Speaker 1: come back to the relationship that's been built with Israel.
35:32
Speaker 1: And we just popped this one on screen because I
35:35
Speaker 1: want to remind people about the sign defense a cooperation
35:39
Speaker 1: agreement between UK and Israel in December twenty twenty. The
35:43
Speaker 1: details of that agreement were never released to the British public,
35:47
Speaker 1: so we signed something which the British public are completely
35:52
Speaker 1: oblivious to. Did that document include the fact that UK
35:57
Speaker 1: was going to help Israel go to walk with Iran?
36:00
Speaker 1: We don't know. But the agreements were reinforced in twenty
36:04
Speaker 1: thirty with the Roadmap for bilateral Relations and that was
36:09
Speaker 1: from March twenty twenty three, and that also includes security, defense,
36:14
Speaker 1: research and development, cyber and technology cooperation. And if we
36:20
Speaker 1: put this into a wider context, everything is about apparently
36:27
Speaker 1: shared UK Israeli strategic concerns about Iran. So is it
36:33
Speaker 1: any wonder that we are now involved in a war
36:36
Speaker 1: with Iran, fighting that war on behalf of Israel, And
36:41
Speaker 1: of course many US troops complaining about this idea that
36:45
Speaker 1: the US is fighting a war for Israel. If you
36:48
Speaker 1: want to see more details about the development of this
36:51
Speaker 1: relationship without any consultation with the wider public in the UK,
36:57
Speaker 1: here's the Embassy of Israel in London. It's got a
37:00
Speaker 1: very detailed timeline of relationships on its page. But if
37:05
Speaker 1: you want to find out some information about these defense
37:09
Speaker 1: agreements with Israel, you cannot find it through government UK,
37:14
Speaker 1: through the official government channels. However, you can find some
37:17
Speaker 1: information on Labor Friends of Israel page. And if we
37:22
Speaker 1: have a look at it, here it is UK Israel
37:24
Speaker 1: aerial defense collaboration towards a British iron shield and it
37:29
Speaker 1: says that because Israel has suffered twenty six thousand rocket
37:33
Speaker 1: attacks and drones from several fronts over recent years, Israel
37:40
Speaker 1: has a tested ability to depend to defend its people
37:44
Speaker 1: from aerial threats. This, of course, has already been shown
37:47
Speaker 1: to be a fallacy in the war against Iran. But
37:50
Speaker 1: it goes on to say that following Putin's invasion of Ukraine,
37:55
Speaker 1: British and European security faces a direct and urgent area
38:00
Speaker 1: threat and the way that we're going to deal with
38:03
Speaker 1: that is to join forces with Israel. And I'll end
38:06
Speaker 1: this little segment by just returning to the war book,
38:10
Speaker 1: which I mentioned at the opening of today's UK column News.
38:15
Speaker 1: On the left are key chapters, if you like, from
38:18
Speaker 1: the Second World War war book Central Control, Internal Security, Communications, Fuel,
38:25
Speaker 1: energy and food. And on the right we've got what
38:28
Speaker 1: the modern systems are, and I'll just highlight of the NCSC,
38:37
Speaker 1: which is to do with national cyber security, because that
38:41
Speaker 1: is a direct part of GCHQ. So here we can
38:45
Speaker 1: see the detailed layers which are going to lock the
38:49
Speaker 1: UK public into these increasingly real preparations for war. So
38:58
Speaker 1: very dangerous stuff when the government can use applied and
39:02
Speaker 1: LB on the public to get us to go along
39:06
Speaker 1: with its agenda. I've been taken a little bit more
39:09
Speaker 1: time there, but you're going to take us deeper into
39:13
Speaker 1: the relationship with.
39:14
Speaker 2: Israel, I am. I'm going to look at the other
39:17
Speaker 2: side of the coin. So we talked quite a lot
39:18
Speaker 2: about the political military intelligence side, which is really the
39:22
Speaker 2: domain of the state, the public sector. But there's a
39:25
Speaker 2: flip side to this, which is the private, the market side, financial, technological,
39:29
Speaker 2: and both of those public and private have essentially been
39:32
Speaker 2: co opted. Right, So we're looking at a situation where
39:34
Speaker 2: the resources of supposedly independence sovereign nations have been co
39:38
Speaker 2: opted in order to support what amounts to a parasitic, transnational,
39:44
Speaker 2: increasingly global empire that's got absolutely nothing to do with
39:48
Speaker 2: the people of this country or any other country, to
39:51
Speaker 2: be perfectly honest, and actually probably in some ways, i'd
39:54
Speaker 2: include the population of Israel within that. I don't think
39:56
Speaker 2: the people that run Israel have got the best interest
39:59
Speaker 2: of their own popula at heart, as we saw through
40:01
Speaker 2: the pandemic.
40:02
Speaker 1: And many are protesting against the Israeli government. Absolutely correct
40:06
Speaker 1: on that way.
40:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, But on the commercial side of it, I'm
40:10
Speaker 2: going to talk about the commercial I'm going to talk
40:11
Speaker 2: about the technological. The commercial side of it really came
40:14
Speaker 2: home to me when I came across this. It's probably
40:18
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty two, twenty three. This guy today
40:22
Speaker 2: island Rewardu, who is another Nigerian in a very senior
40:25
Speaker 2: position in the markets in Europe. He actually runs McKinsey
40:29
Speaker 2: in Europe. McKinsey, the global strategy firm World Economic Forum partner,
40:35
Speaker 2: probably responsible for the destruction of more jobs over the
40:38
Speaker 2: past fifty years than almost any other company around. Actually,
40:41
Speaker 2: it is the kind of slash and burn people, increasing profits,
40:44
Speaker 2: corporate investors at the expense of everybody else. And he
40:47
Speaker 2: was previously before taking on the top job in Europe,
40:50
Speaker 2: he was actually the guy running the McKinzie UK, Ireland
40:55
Speaker 2: and Israel office cluster. So it's a really odd combination,
40:59
Speaker 2: isn't it. Because Israel's nowhere near us in the UK
41:03
Speaker 2: and Island makes sense, But why would you chuck Israel
41:05
Speaker 2: into that mix? Doesn't really make any.
41:07
Speaker 1: Question that at the moment we cannot find the answer to.
41:10
Speaker 1: It's something that's there and happening, and when you say why,
41:14
Speaker 1: that becomes very cloudy.
41:16
Speaker 2: Indeed, exactly yes, So is there something financial, something corporate
41:20
Speaker 2: happening here? And I think a lot of it really
41:22
Speaker 2: relates to this, like what actually is Israel? It's talked
41:25
Speaker 2: about a lot in these kind of theological messianic terms.
41:29
Speaker 2: It was promised to us thousands of years ago, it's
41:31
Speaker 2: our natural homeland from which we've been ejected. But actually
41:34
Speaker 2: it's also a trading corridor, I think, in probably in
41:37
Speaker 2: many ways more importantly, it's about trade, and it's about money,
41:41
Speaker 2: and it's about centralization of wealth and power. And this
41:44
Speaker 2: thing which we have talked about in the column previously IMAX,
41:47
Speaker 2: the Indian Middle East Europe Economic Corridor Netanya, who spoke
41:51
Speaker 2: about it at the UN General Assembly originally back in
41:54
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, but then also again in twenty twenty four.
41:57
Speaker 2: He talked about the great blessing that poten for a
42:01
Speaker 2: new Middle East and through that a transformation of large
42:05
Speaker 2: parts of Asia and Europe. The fact that the Israeli
42:09
Speaker 2: is investing in building rail lines, energy pipelines, fiber optic cables,
42:13
Speaker 2: financial systems, essentially creating a central hub for the oversight
42:19
Speaker 2: and control of trade routes for two billion people from
42:24
Speaker 2: east to west and back again, from north to south
42:26
Speaker 2: and back again. And for me, this is really the
42:29
Speaker 2: ultimate prize of Greater Israel. These people want to sit
42:31
Speaker 2: on top of initially this trade route, but then increasingly
42:36
Speaker 2: that will become central to global trade. And you can
42:39
Speaker 2: go and check out their website and have a look
42:41
Speaker 2: at it. Very interesting to read what it's about. As
42:44
Speaker 2: I said, it was announced back in twenty twenty three
42:47
Speaker 2: the G twenty summit, and this was hosted in New Delhi.
42:55
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Modi was there. We spoke a couple of
42:58
Speaker 2: weeks ago, maybe a month ago about Modi going to
43:00
Speaker 2: Israel and talking about the fact that Israel is the fatherland,
43:04
Speaker 2: India is the motherland. That's just a continuation of what
43:07
Speaker 2: was already laid down in this agreement. It is multinational
43:12
Speaker 2: backed by a number of different sovereign nation states, so
43:15
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, India, as we've already touched on, the UAE,
43:18
Speaker 2: the US, France, Italy, Germany, but the EU are completely
43:21
Speaker 2: signed up to this as well. So this is the
43:24
Speaker 2: public side of the partnership, and then the private side
43:27
Speaker 2: is that actually this is about building extraordinary wealth for
43:32
Speaker 2: some of the Richish people and organizations that have ever
43:34
Speaker 2: existed in the whole of history, to be honest with you,
43:37
Speaker 2: so you can see their reliance industries that's controlled by
43:40
Speaker 2: the Ambarney family. The scion of that family, I forget
43:43
Speaker 2: its first namepologies, but he is the Richish man in
43:46
Speaker 2: Asia lives in extraordinary luxury in one of the one
43:51
Speaker 2: of the countries on Earth with the greatest levels of poverty.
43:55
Speaker 2: The Tartar family also in the mix here early collaborated
43:58
Speaker 2: with the Fabian Society, and as we talked about previously,
44:01
Speaker 2: the technological infrastructure, the finternet as they call it, that
44:05
Speaker 2: underpins the transformation of Indian governance over the past couple
44:08
Speaker 2: of years is very much the test case the prototype
44:14
Speaker 2: for CBDC centralized digital technocratic control of not just trade,
44:20
Speaker 2: but actually absolutely every area of human existence. And having
44:25
Speaker 2: established that in India, this imeic trade corridor is going
44:28
Speaker 2: to be one of the roots that comes through into
44:30
Speaker 2: the rest of the world, on my words, So that's
44:32
Speaker 2: absolutely the plan here. That's the financial side of it,
44:37
Speaker 2: and we've talked a little bit about technology, but one
44:41
Speaker 2: of the ways that this is being progressed is absolutely
44:44
Speaker 2: through Palenteer. I think Basil mentioned on Friday the patentive
44:50
Speaker 2: been coming in for a little bit of criticism because
44:53
Speaker 2: of its role in the NHS. There was an article
44:56
Speaker 2: linked in The Guardian which was calling into question the
44:59
Speaker 2: fact that we had private sector employees using NHS emails.
45:02
Speaker 2: Palenteer have gone into overdrive in terms of their pr
45:06
Speaker 2: and putting their reputation, trying to burnish their reputation so
45:11
Speaker 2: they can continue extracting these enormous government contracts. The guy
45:17
Speaker 2: leading that out is very much Louis Moseley. Interesting is
45:21
Speaker 2: the grandson of Oswald Moseley, which is very interesting. Yes,
45:25
Speaker 2: you didn't know that. I had known that, but I
45:27
Speaker 2: hadn't really considered the implications of it. It's quite a
45:29
Speaker 2: big thing, really, isn't it.
45:31
Speaker 1: And it's particularly interesting also because of Moseley's original connections
45:35
Speaker 1: with Plymouth for that Okay, different discussion.
45:38
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, we'll have to talk about that later. Yes,
45:40
Speaker 2: So Louis Mosley, he's the exact vice chair of Palenteer
45:44
Speaker 2: and he's been on X promoting. Essentially, it's like a
45:48
Speaker 2: CSR initiative where they're going to be funding young people
45:52
Speaker 2: to go to university for a Palenteer degree, and they're
45:55
Speaker 2: doing that in partnership with some So a little.
45:57
Speaker 11: Listen, school leaders can start applying for sixty thousand pounds
46:03
Speaker 11: a year internship for top AI company. Palenteer Technology is
46:06
Speaker 11: wants eighteen year old interested in computer science to apply
46:09
Speaker 11: for its meritocracy fellowship, which will start in October this year.
46:13
Speaker 11: It's giving young people the opportunity to work full time
46:16
Speaker 11: at its London office on projects that it says will
46:19
Speaker 11: defend Western values and support institutions like the NHS. The
46:23
Speaker 11: fellowship will last five months and you'll get a pro
46:26
Speaker 11: rat equivalent salary of up to sixty thousand pounds per year.
46:29
Speaker 11: Top performers will be offered a full time role at
46:31
Speaker 11: the company at the end and move to a higher salary.
46:34
Speaker 11: Palenteer says that because AI is developing so fast, it
46:37
Speaker 11: wants to train its engineers on the job rather than
46:39
Speaker 11: hiring university graduates. The application portal's gone live today, so
46:43
Speaker 11: you can start applying now.
46:47
Speaker 2: Well, I've got a pause.
46:48
Speaker 1: We're type for a time, ben, But my goodness, I'm
46:52
Speaker 1: thinking so those young people are going to get reframed
46:55
Speaker 1: pretty quickly to think the right way. And if they'd
46:58
Speaker 1: think the right way, are they going to pay these
47:01
Speaker 1: very young people's sixty k a.
47:03
Speaker 2: Lot of money, A lot when you're eighteen. Sixty grand
47:05
Speaker 2: a year pro rata. Not bad on the meritocracy fellowship.
47:09
Speaker 2: It's actually a really good idea. By the way, I
47:10
Speaker 2: would never well, not that I'm in the position to
47:13
Speaker 2: hire lots of people at the moment, but I certainly
47:14
Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily consider people coming out of UNI to be
47:17
Speaker 2: the best people to employ into my workforce. Getting straight
47:20
Speaker 2: out of school much better, haven't been indoctrinated yet. And
47:24
Speaker 2: what was actually said about protecting Western values.
47:28
Speaker 1: Which is interesting, is it because that comes back to Bandock, Yeah, speech,
47:33
Speaker 1: the same rhetoric.
47:34
Speaker 2: Exactly, same rhetoric. Yeah, So big push here from Palente.
47:37
Speaker 2: Interesting the way that they've directed that through the sun
47:39
Speaker 2: as well. Actually it's a traditional kind of working class title.
47:43
Speaker 2: Obviously we know very pro as well by Rupert Murdock
47:48
Speaker 2: for decades now, probably taking fifty years, I think probably,
47:52
Speaker 2: isn't it. So they're targeting that end of things, which
47:56
Speaker 2: I think is quite interesting, and they're putting a lot
47:57
Speaker 2: of time and energy into blowing the trumpet about the
48:01
Speaker 2: amazing work that they're doing with the Federated Data Platform
48:04
Speaker 2: team inside the NHS. The whole thing's up and running now.
48:08
Speaker 2: These are the people there, the clinical, technical and operational
48:11
Speaker 2: people inside the health service who are going to be
48:13
Speaker 2: building applications on top of this new data platform. He
48:17
Speaker 2: is quite impressive on of them deny this is very
48:19
Speaker 2: impressive technology. Question is do we want the company that
48:22
Speaker 2: is engaged in selecting kill targets for the Israelian, Ukrainian,
48:26
Speaker 2: probably the UK and US military running the health system.
48:31
Speaker 2: My argument would be probably not. Actually it seems like
48:33
Speaker 2: a really bad idea, you know, putting aside even just
48:36
Speaker 2: any kind of ethical considerations. He's continued to highlight this
48:43
Speaker 2: back to X mister Mosley, highlighting a piece of pr
48:47
Speaker 2: they done at the top end. I suppose of the
48:49
Speaker 2: markets they've been in the Sun and they now need
48:51
Speaker 2: to be in the Observer, which essentially is a bit
48:54
Speaker 2: of a puff piece. Interestingly, because they were criticized in
48:56
Speaker 2: the Guardian, which is what Basil highlighted on, then the Observer,
49:01
Speaker 2: which is the Sunday title of the Guardian certainly used
49:03
Speaker 2: to be up until very recently, has gone into to
49:06
Speaker 2: bat for them, said basically that you know it's complex,
49:11
Speaker 2: but they are doing some good stuff. You know, we've
49:14
Speaker 2: we can get that back on screen. We can see
49:15
Speaker 2: some of the statistics here, the number of patients. They've
49:18
Speaker 2: removed eighty thousand patients from the NHS waiting list. We've
49:22
Speaker 2: had nearly one hundred thousand additional operations. It just so
49:25
Speaker 2: happens that we've had to pay them, well, will be
49:28
Speaker 2: paying them three hundred and thirty million over seven years
49:31
Speaker 2: in order to deliver this for us, and that's delivered
49:33
Speaker 2: an enormous three hundred and sixty billion dollar valuation four Palenteer. Interestingly,
49:41
Speaker 2: in terms of the Observer relationship, perhaps one of the
49:44
Speaker 2: reasons that the Observers appears to be much more pro
49:47
Speaker 2: Paaleteer is to do with James Harding and Tortoise Media.
49:50
Speaker 2: As we spoke about previously about eighteen months ago. I
49:54
Speaker 2: think it was the Tortois Media. The Observer now has
49:57
Speaker 2: a full editorial control of it, whereas they don't have
50:00
Speaker 2: full editorial control over The Guardian. So maybe that is
50:04
Speaker 2: a reason for some of the discrepancies between the two
50:07
Speaker 2: organizations and the editorial line that they're taking. But obviously
50:10
Speaker 2: behind all of this is impossible to ignore the fact
50:14
Speaker 2: that Parenteer is absolutely, one hundred percent completely aligned with Israel.
50:19
Speaker 2: In the wake of the October seventh attacks, they took
50:23
Speaker 2: out a full page ad in the New York Times.
50:25
Speaker 2: You can see on the right hand side there he's
50:27
Speaker 2: just said PARENTI stands with Israel. There absolutely no mincing
50:31
Speaker 2: their words there, and actually in the start of twenty
50:34
Speaker 2: twenty four they actually decided to have one of their
50:37
Speaker 2: main board meetings in Tel Aviv, and I think that
50:41
Speaker 2: tells you everything you need to know about Parenteer and
50:43
Speaker 2: unfortunately what's going on inside the NHS.
50:46
Speaker 1: Indeed, and we're just stress here that what we are
50:49
Speaker 1: seeing as a picture really across the globe is that
50:52
Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't engage with this highly corporatist political agenda
50:59
Speaker 1: is either going to be sideline trampled on, or if
51:02
Speaker 1: we're now reading it right, with Trump and military power,
51:06
Speaker 1: you're going to be attacked and bombed until you submit
51:09
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51:12
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51:16
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51:22
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51:27
Speaker 1: and as you've just shown, they're prepared to pay sixty
51:30
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51:34
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51:37
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51:40
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54:08
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54:13
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54:15
Speaker 2: It's got a thud factor, they call it.
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Speaker 1: I'll I'll just add Ben that having a visit to
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54:35
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54:37
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55:02
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55:05
Speaker 1: of the conflict with Iran, and of course for Trump
55:10
Speaker 1: to be announcing that the blocked straight is now blockaded
55:15
Speaker 1: and further blocked just seems to me utter madness. Was
55:21
Speaker 1: Trump restrained by Starmer prior to the attacks on Iran?
55:27
Speaker 1: We know from Kenny Badinot that the UK was fully
55:32
Speaker 1: informed Iran was to be attacked and Starmer did nothing,
55:37
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55:40
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55:43
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55:47
Speaker 2: Ben back to you, Yes, should we have we got
55:52
Speaker 2: time to go through all of this or do you
55:53
Speaker 2: want to know how do you want to play it?
55:55
Speaker 2: Should you go to the straights of the Irish.
55:56
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, I think that there's so much
55:58
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56:09
Speaker 2: So okay, all right in let's go, so Trump and Kushner.
56:15
Speaker 2: Actually we can talk about Jared Kushner, but not just
56:17
Speaker 2: Jared Kushner. We're going to talk about some of his
56:19
Speaker 2: family members as well, because all of this craziness that's
56:22
Speaker 2: going on in the Middle East, a lot of it
56:23
Speaker 2: appears to just be a distraction from what's going on
56:27
Speaker 2: around Trump, well, circulating around him and his family, and
56:30
Speaker 2: people are obviously familiar with Jared Kushner being absolutely central
56:34
Speaker 2: to certainly the second Trump administration. I think he was
56:38
Speaker 2: more in the background in the first Trump administration, although
56:42
Speaker 2: he was attending events like this alongside Trump. You can
56:46
Speaker 2: see him there with a Bunk's daughter and Kushner, his
56:52
Speaker 2: son in law. Second from the left on this image,
56:55
Speaker 2: you can see in front of us sitting down there
56:56
Speaker 2: with Klaus Schwab. I'm today going to have a little
57:02
Speaker 2: look at Joshua Kushner, his brother, Jerry Kushner's younger brother, Joshua,
57:07
Speaker 2: and in particular his wife. Who is that lady on
57:10
Speaker 2: the right hand side. That is Kylie Kloss, the supermodel
57:14
Speaker 2: and recently became the chief executive and ultimate owner of
57:21
Speaker 2: ID magazine. And for those that aren't familiar with ID magazine,
57:27
Speaker 2: this is kind of what they're about. So it's fashion
57:31
Speaker 2: and music and lifestyle, but with a very suspicious symbolic
57:36
Speaker 2: Masonic satanic spinto it. So you can see this one
57:40
Speaker 2: eye symbolism which has been on every single cover of
57:43
Speaker 2: ID magazine since the magazine was founded in the late seventies.
57:47
Speaker 2: So that's what these people are about. And this is
57:50
Speaker 2: what's happening in the immediate vicinity of Donald Trump. If
57:54
Speaker 2: you go and dig around for not even perhaps long,
57:56
Speaker 2: you can find this stuff pretty easily.
57:59
Speaker 6: Now.
57:59
Speaker 2: ID Magazine was acquired from Vice Media back in twenty
58:03
Speaker 2: twenty three, and at the time it was being led
58:06
Speaker 2: creatively by this guy, so this is Alistair McKim, And
58:12
Speaker 2: after the acquisition the relationship was maintained, so McKim has
58:17
Speaker 2: continued to work with ID in very senior roles. With
58:21
Speaker 2: Kylie Klass after the acquisition in twenty twenty three. And
58:25
Speaker 2: when you go and look at what Alison McKim has
58:27
Speaker 2: been up to, and I've been tracking him for a
58:31
Speaker 2: few years now to try understand what's going on in
58:33
Speaker 2: the fashion industry. You can see that he's very close
58:37
Speaker 2: to this chap. This is j Maury, who is part
58:41
Speaker 2: of something called the House of Mark Jacobs, which is
58:44
Speaker 2: a drag outfit based in New York. And you can
58:48
Speaker 2: get a sense of his esthetic and lifestyle choices just
58:52
Speaker 2: looking at these images here. I won't do it on
58:55
Speaker 2: these too much, but you can get an idea of
58:58
Speaker 2: what we're talking about. And Jane Maury was actually featured
59:03
Speaker 2: in this film. And see here where he's performing alongside
59:12
Speaker 2: a young boy dressed in would you describe that stripper.
59:19
Speaker 1: Gears dress dressed as a very young girl, That's the
59:23
Speaker 1: first thing to say, but also provocative, Yes, yes.
59:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And this well, I mean, ultimately, what we're
59:31
Speaker 2: looking at here this is abuse, potentially trafficking, certainly grooming,
59:37
Speaker 2: and this is being done under the direct observation and
59:42
Speaker 2: understanding I'm sure of for Kushner and Trump, like, how
59:48
Speaker 2: can you possibly not know that that's going on in your.
59:50
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to believe they don't know we are
59:53
Speaker 1: seeing it easily enough. Apparently they don't see it, they
59:56
Speaker 1: don't know anything about it. But I can't believe that's true.
1:00:00
Speaker 2: I was certainly not talking about it. And also Mark
1:00:02
Speaker 2: Jacobs himself is involved in the House of Mark Jacobs
1:00:04
Speaker 2: is not an official Milk Jacobs. This is one of
1:00:06
Speaker 2: the biggest, most successful fashion designers of the past several
1:00:10
Speaker 2: decades who actually appears to have a close personal relationship
1:00:14
Speaker 2: with this guy, j Murray. He actually Jade describes Mark
1:00:17
Speaker 2: as his father bizarrely, So there's some very odd relationship
1:00:23
Speaker 2: that's going on here, putting aside all of the sexualization
1:00:26
Speaker 2: of children and what have you, and all of this
1:00:29
Speaker 2: is being done under the auspices of Joshua Cushner and
1:00:34
Speaker 2: Kylie Kloss And are we surprised by this? I was
1:00:39
Speaker 2: quite shocked by it. But this was actually when I
1:00:41
Speaker 2: first came across this. It was pre Epstein. Obviously, as
1:00:43
Speaker 2: we now know, Trump and his wife Milania were closely
1:00:51
Speaker 2: linked to Epsteem if you can see this photo of
1:00:52
Speaker 2: them here together. Although Milania has come out over the
1:00:55
Speaker 2: past few days to issue a strenuous objection to all
1:00:58
Speaker 2: of this, and I've got a very short clip now
1:01:00
Speaker 2: which will give you a sense of what that speech
1:01:02
Speaker 2: actually said.
1:01:05
Speaker 7: The lies linking me with the disgraceful Jeffrey Epstein need
1:01:10
Speaker 7: to end today.
1:01:14
Speaker 2: Well, that was very convincing, wasn't it.
1:01:17
Speaker 1: There's actually some psychologists that have commented on that talk
1:01:21
Speaker 1: and said it's very narcissistic. But they're also very puzzled
1:01:24
Speaker 1: as to why she did it, because it doesn't seem
1:01:26
Speaker 1: to help her cause it actually raises more questions than
1:01:30
Speaker 1: it answers. So it'll be fascinating to see.
1:01:34
Speaker 2: How that goes. It certainly came across as a bit desperate.
1:01:37
Speaker 2: I would say, we'll put a link as you go
1:01:39
Speaker 2: and watch it. It's only six minutes long, so she
1:01:41
Speaker 2: didn't have a huge amount to say. Probably the lesson
1:01:44
Speaker 2: about it the better from her perspective.
1:01:47
Speaker 1: So to Ireland, I think, so it's inclibriated to bring
1:01:51
Speaker 1: it back to the to the Emerald dials and if
1:01:55
Speaker 1: we don't fight the battle at home, we're going to
1:01:58
Speaker 1: lose whatever's happening on the international scene.
1:02:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree, although the international scene is certainly
1:02:05
Speaker 2: related to what was happening in Ireland. So Mike talked
1:02:07
Speaker 2: about this last week. So these are the blockades that
1:02:09
Speaker 2: have been taking a place across Ireland by truck drivers
1:02:17
Speaker 2: and farmers and other working class people in serious jobs
1:02:22
Speaker 2: who actually make the country tick have decided that they've
1:02:24
Speaker 2: had enough, basically, so they've stood up, they've done something.
1:02:27
Speaker 2: They've decided to shut down the country. There's blockades all
1:02:30
Speaker 2: across the south of Ireland and this is going to continue.
1:02:35
Speaker 2: So it started last week, it's scheduled to continue this week.
1:02:40
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of material here talking about the protests
1:02:43
Speaker 2: continuing today stand Up for Ireland, the National protest unity
1:02:50
Speaker 2: against globalism and the new World Order. Ultimately, and really interestingly,
1:02:55
Speaker 2: this started off as being about fuel prices, but it's
1:02:57
Speaker 2: very quickly expanded into something that's much more broadly about
1:03:00
Speaker 2: the World Economic Forum and all of the other international
1:03:04
Speaker 2: organizations that have been causing so much misery for working people.
1:03:07
Speaker 2: And I've got a short clip here from a chapter
1:03:09
Speaker 2: called James Conway, who is one of the people involved
1:03:13
Speaker 2: in helping to organize and promote what appears to be
1:03:16
Speaker 2: a relatively organic grassroots movement. We shall see how that.
1:03:22
Speaker 2: Hello everyone.
1:03:24
Speaker 9: One of the strengths of this week has been that
1:03:26
Speaker 9: nobody is really in charge.
1:03:29
Speaker 2: This has been a.
1:03:30
Speaker 9: Movement pay the people for the people. But here is
1:03:34
Speaker 9: the message for tomorrow one day. First of all, we
1:03:44
Speaker 9: want to thank every man, woman and child for holding
1:03:48
Speaker 9: the lane this week, and for all the men and
1:03:51
Speaker 9: women who brought us food to eat and fuel to
1:03:55
Speaker 9: keep us warm. We want to put an end to
1:03:58
Speaker 9: the rumors that there was a deal done today to
1:04:02
Speaker 9: get rid of the demonstrations from across the country. The
1:04:08
Speaker 9: working people of Ireland were not represented at these meetings
1:04:13
Speaker 9: and none of their demands have been met. The reductions
1:04:18
Speaker 9: offered are not what was wanted, but only an attempt
1:04:23
Speaker 9: to divide the rural and urban communities who have come
1:04:29
Speaker 9: together to face down a tyrannical government. It was not
1:04:34
Speaker 9: the working people of Ireland who sat down with their
1:04:39
Speaker 9: knees together like a schoolgirl when they met a tyrant.
1:04:45
Speaker 9: The Irish people are the strongest in the world and
1:04:50
Speaker 9: once again they will cast off the chains of tyranny.
1:04:55
Speaker 9: Tomorrow me, we and the people of Ireland will once
1:05:02
Speaker 9: again demonstrate to the world that foreign agents and armies
1:05:08
Speaker 9: have come and gone, but no force on earth has
1:05:13
Speaker 9: been able to break the will of the Irish people.
1:05:19
Speaker 9: Let it be known to all the world that before
1:05:23
Speaker 9: this week is over, a tyrant will have been removed
1:05:27
Speaker 9: from Irish office by the Irish people by using peaceful
1:05:33
Speaker 9: demonstration in the face of government tyrannical force. God bless
1:05:42
Speaker 9: each and every one of you and Monday hold the line.
1:05:50
Speaker 9: That is the message to all the demonstrators across Ireland.
1:05:57
Speaker 2: Thank you are united people, urban and rural coming together
1:06:04
Speaker 2: to face down the tyrannical government and explicitly seek tyrants
1:06:09
Speaker 2: being removed from powers. Quite a powerful statement, I would say.
1:06:12
Speaker 1: In a peaceful way.
1:06:13
Speaker 2: You Also in ae he does say that although some
1:06:17
Speaker 2: of the imagery that's coming out as interests, oh, just
1:06:20
Speaker 2: we can put this on screen. We can see here
1:06:22
Speaker 2: they seem to have a pretty good idea of who
1:06:23
Speaker 2: it is that they're fighting, which is quite interesting. We
1:06:26
Speaker 2: can see the Masonic symbolism slap bang in the middle there,
1:06:29
Speaker 2: and it does seem to be a chap at the
1:06:30
Speaker 2: bottom with what I'm going to just say, maybe it's
1:06:33
Speaker 2: an air rifle.
1:06:35
Speaker 1: Yes, this is where people have to be so careful
1:06:39
Speaker 1: because if I come back to the war book mentioned
1:06:41
Speaker 1: at the start of today's news, that war book of
1:06:45
Speaker 1: course absolutely focuses on the need to get control of
1:06:50
Speaker 1: the civilian population in a time of tension where the
1:06:56
Speaker 1: government is going on to a war footing. So of
1:06:59
Speaker 1: course it's a very need for a very very carefully
1:07:02
Speaker 1: and well thought out tactical game to challenge these very
1:07:07
Speaker 1: powerful political forces that are oppressing people.
1:07:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, and be careful with their own propaganda as well
1:07:14
Speaker 2: as theirs. And then finally, I mean, are we going
1:07:17
Speaker 2: to see this coming through the UK? So this is
1:07:19
Speaker 2: James Conway talking to Gareth Wynn Jones, very prominent voice
1:07:23
Speaker 2: in the British farming community. This was from sometime last year.
1:07:27
Speaker 2: I forget the exact day. We'll provide a link and
1:07:29
Speaker 2: go and have a look at that conversation. But it
1:07:31
Speaker 2: strikes me that the British farmers have probably had enough
1:07:35
Speaker 2: of driving the tractors around Westminster and kind of looking
1:07:41
Speaker 2: at the Irish direct action and thinking they might want
1:07:43
Speaker 2: to have a little bit of that. So we shall
1:07:46
Speaker 2: see what happens.
1:07:47
Speaker 1: Okay, Ben, thank you very much. We must stend today's
1:07:51
Speaker 1: news there. Of course, the key picture is to explain
1:07:54
Speaker 1: the illusion of the democratic political system in the West
1:07:59
Speaker 1: that's becoming very clear, and of course, what we all
1:08:02
Speaker 1: need to be doing is fighting the increasing warmongering of
1:08:06
Speaker 1: our political parties in UK and the West, which have
1:08:10
Speaker 1: now caused such an immense economic backlash and ultimately suffering
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Speaker 1: and financial hardship for a lot of people. So if
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Speaker 1: we understand the real position, we're in a much better
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Speaker 1: place to fight it. And at the end of the
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Speaker 1: day we need to look after everybody amongst us and
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Speaker 1: everybody with us, because divided we are certainly going to fall.
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Speaker 1: We will leave it there. Huge thank you to you, Ben,
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Speaker 1: Also big thank you to our guest David Malden. David
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Speaker 1: will be joining us in a few minutes for UK
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Speaker 1: Column Extra and we'll be diving deeper into that subject
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Speaker 1: of political use of neuro linguistic programming to change people's
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Speaker 1: views and values. We must end there. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: joining us. We'll be back for the News again a
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Speaker 1: block on Wednesday. See you then, Bye bye
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Speaker 6: MHM.