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Trekcast 380: Is the Hollywood Strike Actually Over? What's Next for Star Trek? · Star Trek Podcast: Trekcast

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  Sometimes I like to turn my mic off and talk through this or term my
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  mic on. I should say, why is the snow going up? Shouldn't
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  the snow be falling? I mean that's how gravity works, right? Weird
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  if I turn upside The Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek Podcast. So, boys
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  is who actually says that? Not even I'll have to ask Daniel about that.
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  Ah, that is an AI clone of h John Benjamin, the voice
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  of Archer and Bob from Bob's Burgers. Okay, yeah, well, well,
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  great for a good job admitting that live. Yeah, we're gonna get
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  sued now. It's an exactly that's that's the whole point. Oh no,
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  we'll talk about it. Is stealing his likeness, that's right. But anyway,
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  Welcome to Trek Cast, The Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek Podcast. Hi,
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  I'm Dan and with Ley. We got Daniel. We got strong Beard.
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  He's got a real name. I can't remember it right now. He's
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  still new. Wow. Wow, here I was starting to think to you
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  I were friends. Yeah, Scott Batters, everyone, Scott bouddies and gentlemen.
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  Now you know his name? Now you know how is everybody. We
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  got snow over here. Really, yeah, it's but it's coming. We
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  don't have any of that yet. I'm still working on getting the leaves up.
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  I'm trying to do that before this, before the snow comes, because
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  once we just did that yesterday. Yeah, oh I did it last week,
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  but it's like you got to do it again, you know. Yeah,
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  We've got a neighbor that's got two of those like jet powered backpack leaf
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  blowers, and he's like, yeah, coming over and borrow them. And
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  so my wife and I yesterday about forty five minutes later, had the entire
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  yard cleaned up looking like Ghostbusters in your yard. Absolutely. In fact,
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  I was thinking that when I put the packs on, you didn't because honestly,
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  the nozzle it looks like the packs from Ghostbusters to the one that shoots
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  the slime slam. That's right, that's right. So, you know,
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  I sometimes wonder which, you know, I'm part of a couple different fandoms,
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  the Trek fandom, the G I. Joe fandom, the Ghostbusters fandom,
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  and whenever I like, yeah, no, uh whatever, I think
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  one is the nerdiest, like one of the others will will say, oh,
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  hold my beard bear, jeez, hold my beard. So there was
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  a new trailer. There was a new trailer for a new Ghostbusters movie.
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  That's kay. And in the trailer they're wearing red Parkas with the Ghostbuster's logo.
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  I was wondering if you and I am not? I am now no,
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  I have zero interest in acquiring a Parka to wear with my Ghostbuster costume.
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  Oh my goodness. The nerds, the nerds, they were posting like
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  like, uh, screenshots, screen captures from the trailer, and then you
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  know, okay, if we zoom in, we could see this stitching,
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  we could see that. But yeah, the trailer, the trailer was out
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  two hours. Yeah, and these guys had identified like the make, yep,
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  the make, the model of the brand. And then the next day
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  a guy posted a screenshot of an email he emailed the company to confirm that,
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  Oh my god. Yeah, and he got a response from them saying,
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  yep, we can confirm this is the this is the make, this
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  is the model. We sold X number of them to UH Columbia, and
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  we're very happy with this collaboration. You know, the problem is it's like
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  an eighteen dollars Parka. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, yeah, but
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  you have these heroes that did this research and found out Yeah, yeah,
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  heroes, heroes in their quotes. That's right, that's right. Hey,
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  it's it's kind of like when when Stranger Worlds first came out, or maybe
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  it was Discovery, when when they zoomed in on the on the uniform and
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  you could tell that there was the the starter delta embroidered all over the uniform.
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  Yeah, not that any of us noticed, but you know, oh
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  yeah for sure. So yeah, so these people, these people are already
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  modifying them. They're already buying them. They're modifying them. Of course,
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  they're already they're already finding like cheaper lookalike alternative models. Yeah, it's they're
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  dedicated. That's like me, I'm a cheaper alternative model. Yeah, I'm
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  like I got a red hoodie. I like how like during the Mandalorian,
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  like at the end of the latest season, where he's sitting on that chair
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  on his porch, right, people chair that was, and where to ordered
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  it? It's like you can oh sure, yeah, absolutely, yeah,
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  but wow, also make a note of that, find out what kind of
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  chair that was? Man. Yeah, that's right, that's right. Oh
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  my goodness. All right, Well, let's uh, let's get to the
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  news star Trek news does that make a hard pivot story from trekmovie dot com
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  and spoilers are all, hey, you're you're cutting out pretty bad. So
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  if you're scrolling, alright, yeah, now you're good. Okay. So
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  our first news story comes from trekmovie dot com and we are getting updates because
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  now that there is a tentative striker gear agreement, things are going back into
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  production. Yeah, we'll talk about that for our main topic. But yeah,
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  so Jonathan Freaks is returning to Strange New World season three. The plan
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  is for him to direct some episodes. We also know that they are expected
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  to go into production in December, so yeah, things are building along.
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  Yeah. Also on that front, we do know that section thirty one that
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  movie is prepping for production according to Paramount. That's the other new story right,
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  Yeah, it's well prepping for production for years now. Yeah, but
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  that's what they're saying. I think that one is supposed to be out by
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  Christmas twenty nineteen, so that should be good right, just in time.
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  Also, we've got another new story star Trek. Lower Deck season five has
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  resumed voiceover work, so the actors are back in the studio doing voices.
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  They hadn't been doing it, I guess, just before the strike. And
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  so another back at it, which is fairly common. You do need to
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  record audio for animation really far in advance. So and then our last news
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  story is that Star Trek Discovery is hyping up season five. We're all excited.
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  Just around the corner and they are detailing that they are going to have
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  a new villain and a new ship. So yeah, yeah, I want
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  to make a prediction. This villain potential to destroy the entire that's right,
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  that's right, so fresh, yeah, absolutely, so yeah, But I
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  mean there's not a lot of like deep news or interesting stories right now because
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  everything's just starting to come back up to the surface again. But yeah,
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  that's it's just, Hey, we're getting going again, guys, and we're
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  excited and that's cool. Even through his sunglasses, I can see the disappointment.
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  It is I and he's just right around the corner and we'll be talking
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  about it. His eyes just keep rolling. I have I have a I
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  have a feeling. I have a feeling my favorite episode of Discovery will be
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  the series finale. Yeah, because it'll be the last one. Yeah,
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  Hey, like I said before, prediction, do that to me. I
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  think that this You're gonna fall in love with Discovery during season five. Mm
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  hmmm, I think that's no. I think it's not. I don't.
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  I don't think so pal that I think this is going to be a love
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  letter to Dan. Season five of Discovery is going to be a love letter
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  to Dan Laparty. That ship, I can't say that ship has still that
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  ship has gone to war saying that's my news, saying it that way from
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  now on, that ship has gone to reverse course. I'm trying to keep
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  my excitement up about it. Yeah, I'm hoping. I'm hoping they've learned
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  some stuff and so I'm hoping. We've said that every year for five years.
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  I know, I know, and every every year I'm disappointed. But
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  I'm trying trying. I mean, I will give them, I will give
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  them that that they that you know, Star Trek for card, they learned
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  their lesson. That's where I'm hopeful they figured it out. But yeah,
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  you know, they're twice as far in on the show. So yeah,
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  I'm not hopeful that they figured anything out. Yeah that's okay. Ever soon
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  well so sorry god, Yeah, let's let's get to the main topic because
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  there's a lot to this, so fun will now come out, all right,
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  So our main topic is, like we had mentioned, the tentative agreement
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  between uh SAG after the actors and the studios. Right now, the agreement
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  is being voted on, has yet to be ratified. There's a lot to
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  it. It's literally hundreds of page document and the union members are getting a
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  chance to look at it. Overall, the union negotiating team, I think
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  like eighty four percent of them said, hey, guys, go sign this,
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  whereas a minority group has said don't. It's not don't it's not what
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  we need it to be. And so so there was aeming work under the
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  tentative agree under the tenetor yes, okay, all right, yeah, but
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  but if it's not ratified then yeah, back back to the strike, back
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  to the picket line, Back to the picket line. So I will say
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  that on Thursday night there was a SAG after live stream and Raffi was there.
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  Michelle Hurty, she's one of the negotiating I don't know if she's on
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  the negotiating committee or a strike team captain, but she she's pretty high up
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  there, so she was there. Yeah, and and so this is what
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  the chants, where the negotiation team had a chance to explain the new contract
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  and and push for why they wanted to be signed. I thought it was
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  funny that they did turn off comments so nobody could could put things on there.
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  Yeah, I bet a lot of people have lots of opinions. Well
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  overall, from what I'm seeing online, people are not happy with the contract
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  and they don't want to sign. And so this guy, Michael Welch,
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  he's an actor. He was the kid in Star Trek, one of the
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  movies, the what is it Insurrection, the Little Kid. He's the one
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  that said no, I'm twelve. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
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  he was that kid. And basically he and he said it, and
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  he said it just like that, that's right, as he as he drank
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  his beer. Yeah yeah, thank you job re enacting that. That's right.
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  So get all the inflections right, yeah, yep you did. Yeah.
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  So basically he's saying that, you know, if we turned down this
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  vote, do we really think that we'll get anything better, to which Jerry
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  Ryan also agreed to that, as did Anton Mound, as did Anthony Rapp.
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  Stammits. So a lot of our strategic actors are pushing for this to
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  be agreed upon, which is kind of interesting. Yeah, Dan, you
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  mentioned that you had a friend who's an actor. Who Yeah, so I
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  have a friend who is a actor. He's not a known actor. He's
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  not a very successful actor. I hope he's listening well. By by not
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  successful, he's not He's not Tom Cruise. Now we know he's he has
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  other jobs. He is not in a position two. So one of these
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  things is in the contract, if I'm understanding it correctly, is the studio
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  will ask you to sign over your your likeness when you accept this part,
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  and then they can make a digital scan of you and do what they please
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  with it. I'm not sure I have all of that all of that correct.
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  But the thing is Tom Cruise can say no because it if he doesn't
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  do this part, he'll be offered this part, right. You know,
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  Tom Hanks can say no, I'm not going to do that because I have
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  all these other options. Tom Allen can say no, All the Toms can
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  say no. Yes, anyone named Tom can say no to So originally,
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  yeah, originally that was the deal. So under this new agreement, they
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  can ask you, but you have the right to say yes or no.
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  And his point is if you're nobody, that's not really a choice, right
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  because they just offer it to a different nobody, and if that guy says
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  no, they offer it to a different nobody. And if you offer it
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  to enough nobody's there's a nobody out there who is hungry enough to agree to
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  this crap deal. And yes, once it starts becoming the norm, then
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  the other nobody's kinda have to agree to it. Well, and then you
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  get a name, you get you get the fact though blacklisted in that well,
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  don't even bother offering it to to that guy. He's he's not gonna
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  he's not going to agree to such and such. That seems kind of like
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  in Hollywood for like, you know, the the Skin of Max movies.
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  That seems like kind of what I've read about with actresses and actors having to
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  go with nude scenes and stuff like that, like for low budget you know,
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  hey, you need to take your clothes off for this, and if
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  you don't, we'll just find somebody else. It feels that dirty. Yep,
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  yep. Yeah, So he was you know, he was all over
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  Facebook urging his SAG friends not to vote for this. Yeah, And I
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  guess what's good is he's a SAG member, so his vote counts just as
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  much as Jerry Ryan's vote. Right, accept accept that he has one thousand
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  followers and Jerry Ryan has one hundred thousand followers, right or more so or
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  more? Yeah? So I don't know. Yeah. Also, one of
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  the issues is so under the tentative agreement, they can use generative AI,
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  so they can go through and scan a ton of people and then compile those
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  and create an artificial actor, a CGI actor, and and you. The
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  way it's written in the contract is if you can identify a characteristic in the
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  AI model that is unique to you, then you're given compensation. But how
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  are you going to point out that, Hey, that's my nose, those
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  are my eyes, that is my lips, right, and SUBCGI actors like,
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  oh my right? Right? Yeah? There was. There's a YouTube
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  show called The Minority Report with Sam Cedter. Samseedter is one of the voice
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  actors on bobs Burgers. He brought in one of the negotiating team members who
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  is actually against the contract. I pulled some clips from that, so I
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  do want to play one of the clips at least right now, this guy
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  kind of explains why specifically this AI stuff is going to be detrimental, especially
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  to sci fi shows. So I figured that's pretty important for us. So
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  let me play that clip right now. First, about this synthetic performers sam
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  is, it says that they can do that with all non human characters.
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  So any aliens, any fantasy creatures, any animal creatures, whatever, all
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  of those used to be performed by our members doing performance capture things like that,
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  those can all be synthetic under the terms of this contract. So that's
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  interesting for sci fi. Right. So now you now you've got generated Klingons
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  and whatever you know. See, and this is brand new too, This
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  is brand new territory, and I think part of me thinks, well,
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  let's just go ahead. And obviously I'm not in this Screen Actors Guild.
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  But you know, as with any new technology and any new you know,
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  machinery, with the old contracts for you know, like if you're in the
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  Autoworkers Union or whatever, it takes a lot, it takes a while sometimes
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  for you to figure out how this is gonna affect us. I would imagine
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  the next time the contract rolls around. We're gonna have a lot more information
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  about what these things are doing. We're gonna have a lot more examples of
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  things in movies and TV shows of how this is affecting actors and the networks
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  and the and the you know, the studios. So I think right now
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  it's gonna be hard to you know, nail down exactly how all this is
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  going to affect you know, actors and their salaries and and and their rights
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  and and that's what we're talking about right now, specifically, is their rights
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  as far as you know, like using their likeness and and things like that
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  after the fact digitally. And I think it's just too new to sort of
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  peg that and figure out what how that's going to affect everything. So I
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  can understand that idea. But also we've had what was it in in the
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  Book of Boaffect where they had young Luke Skywalker, who was just about one
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  hundred c g I AI created. They had they had somebody do the motion
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  capture, but the voice work was completely AI voice work based off of Mark
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  Hamill's voice. It wasn't him right. Also, also during Kenobi, they
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  used AI to do a Jones voice for Darth Vader that was James Earl Jones.
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  James Earl Jones has signed over the rights to his voice for them to
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  be able to do that. So at least there's that. What about Mark
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  Hamill, Uh, that wasn't clear, so I'm sure they commentated him in
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  some way. But again, so these these are two people who are in
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  a position, who are in a position to say, slap a couple more
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  zeros on that check or never do anything Darth Vader again, right right,
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  And like I said, this is brand new, and I'm agreeing with everybody.
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  I mean, I just think it's it's brand new. Yeah, I
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  mean it's it's only been I mean five years ago, we weren't talking about
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  this. No, no, no, no, no. Three years ago
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  we weren't talking about this. So this is this is new. Yeah.
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  The other problem is, you know as soon as you soon as you give
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  an inch, they are going to exploit whatever they get in that contract to
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  take a mile. And I'll get in an example. Okay, So in
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  the last a clip they were talking about I don't remember how he put it,
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  but you know any non human characters, is that how he how he
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  is that the phrasing? Yeah, like fantasy or sci fi. Yeah,
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  yeah, okay, so a human is a Homo sapien born on the planet
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  Earth. Right, agreed, So Anakin Skywalker is not a human. Neither
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  is Luke Skywalker. Neither is a Commander a Dama. Neither is I don't
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  know, but if you think about it, you know, there's a lot
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  of how do we find characters? Yes, there's a lot of characters who
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  look human but they're really not. Yeah. Really, he's a ghost,
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  he's not a human. Yeah, or they don't even call him human,
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  they call him betazoid or you know, yeah, yeah, he's a vampire,
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  is not a human. Yeah, yeah, So there you go.
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  Betazoid looks exactly human, but it's not a human. So we're gonna treat
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  this character under these conditions of the contract. We're gonna and you know,
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  this character who looks exactly the same, We're not. No, you're absolutely
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  right. It's a slippery slope. Yeah, yep, that's the problem.
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  They in the interview, they also mentioned how with the current contract it's going
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  to turn a lot of jobs non viable, like right now, when like
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  let's say Tom Cruise needs to re record a voiceline but he's not available,
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  they get a sound alike actor to come in and record that line. Well,
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  now they can just use AI to match Tom's voice, and so there
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  goes a whole type of field of jobs. Right, those are all gone.
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  You know the guy who now plays the red Skull in the MCU,
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  that's what he does, is he's a voice actor that is really good at
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  it mimicking other people. Yeah, and so yeah, people like that would
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  just be gone. Also in this interview, let me let me play one
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  more clip where he talks about why they're pushing for it and everything, but
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  also kind of a little bit about the negotiating team from someone who was there,
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  right, you know, figure out whether it's acceptable for them or not
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  for me. It's not based on what I witnessed, and I was in
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  the front row seat and had a hand in creating what it is that I
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  have to vote against today. So that's all I think. You know,
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  the Union has everybody's email and home address and phone number. We're going to
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  get postcards and emails and robo calls and videos everything saying vote yes. And
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  that's understandable. That's what their majority of their national leadership told them to do.
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  And every good union member is going to want to trust their leadership and
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  vote yes. And in this case, their leadership is trustworthy. They're great
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  people who tried their best. I just think that we fell short and fell
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  apart in the last few crucial weeks that did a lot of damage to certain
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  communities of our union and other contracts in the mad scramble to close a deal
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  to make Bob Iger happy on his quarter three earnings call. And I just
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  can't get down with that. I can't support that. So someone else who
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  is in the same position as it seems like this guy is Justine Bateman.
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  Did you read it all about her involvement? I did not know. No,
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  So apparently, believe it or not, she also has like a computer
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  science degree, oh wow, in addition to in addition to being an actress,
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  and she was apparently she was the AI advisor on the negotiating team.
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  Oh okay, and she's out there telling people don't vote for this vote no,
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  yeah, no, wow, Justine Bateman? Is she the Is she
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  the girl from Okay? Yep? Jason Bateman's sister sister? Yeah? Yeah.
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  So when your AI advisor on your negotiating committee is saying nope, don't
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  vote for this. Yeah, here's your sign. Yeah. Well and and
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  then that mh that that guy. If you want to watch that whole interview,
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  I'm going to put a link to it in the descriptions, so for
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  those of you who are interested. But yeah, it's so the reason why
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  we're doing this is because if this gets you know, if people vote against
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  it, then that then we're not going to see Star Trek for a while,
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  you know, And and people should be aware of that. And it's
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  gonna it's going to tank a lot of other shows. And that's kind of
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  the thing that the union was saying in their livestream is like, look,
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  if we say no one, it's not guaranteed we'll get anything better. Two,
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  you're going to lose a lot of jobs because they're going to start canceling
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  shows. So so, having been part of a union, yeah, I'm
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  going to make a prediction. Okay, if the if the broader membership votes
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  this down, what you're going to see, and this is just my prediction
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  having gone through something similar. What you're going to see is a two week
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  period where the union and the studios are going to basically continue to operate under
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  the tentative agreement, while the union tries to resell this to the membership by
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  telling them we're going to get nothing. It's this or nothing, and then
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  they're going to vote on it again and it's going to pass by a slim
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  majority. That you are one hundred correct. You're correct because you've been in
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  a union too. I am in a union. I won't mention the name
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  like I'll just say that the president fifty years ago conventely disappeared and has never
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  been The body has never come up. Uh, and you know we've we've
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  gone through negotiations that work exactly like that. So yeah, for the union,
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  for the union to put a tentative contract in front of its members,
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  tell them you should vote for this, and then they don't, that's a
• 28:51
  loss for them. Yeah, they look like they're no good. In the
• 28:56
  end, they need it to come back approved by the membership, and they
• 29:03
  will do just that. They will have them vote on it again, and
• 29:06
  they will and it'll be a two week campaign of scare tactics and it's this
• 29:11
  or nothing, and you're gonna starve and you're gonna ruin it for generations of
• 29:14
  actors. And you should rethink this and vote. We're voting again next Tuesday,
• 29:18
  and then it's gonna miraculously pass. Yeah. During the live stream,
• 29:22
  I watched a lot of it, but that thing went four hours and it
• 29:26
  was really scheduled for ninety minutes. So oh wow, yeah. Yeah,
• 29:30
  Well because they still some kind of way about it, well no, yeah,
• 29:33
  and they had they were in an auditorium and they had people ask questions
• 29:38
  like union members to the negotiation team, and the negotiation kept hearing a lot
• 29:45
  of like, what's going on with AI? Hear my concerns about it,
• 29:49
  those kinds of questions, and just time and time again, they were just
• 29:52
  like, look, AI is coming, no matter what. It's just it's
• 29:56
  gonna be here, and the best thing we can do is try to put
• 30:00
  in some guard rails into the system and hopefully that'll protect us. But the
• 30:07
  other problem that people kept bringing up is that the way the Current Actors thing
• 30:14
  is set up is the agreements that they have the productions are all based on
• 30:22
  suggestions. There's no teeth to the contract to punish the studios if they go
• 30:29
  out of bounds. So that's one of the things that was really pointed out.
• 30:33
  The other thing was pointed out that the writers recently had their contract renegotiated
• 30:37
  and they completely AI out of any of that contract, so the studios cannot
• 30:45
  use any AI for writing. So the actors members were saying they got that,
• 30:51
  how come we didn't get that? And then also people are pointing out
• 30:53
  that there are AI productions in the Director's Actors Guild where directors guilt uh contract.
• 31:00
  But those AI protections, if you go and read them, are very
• 31:04
  similar to what's in the Actors one, so they're not really that protective.
• 31:10
  They're just there's language in there about it. So really, of the three,
• 31:15
  only the writers got really what they wanted for AI protection. But you
• 31:21
  know, there was also there is truth that AI is coming and it's coming
• 31:26
  for a lot of jobs, and you know there's no stop in it.
• 31:29
  I don't know if you guys saw the news story earlier this I think it
• 31:32
  was last week. There's a brewery I want to say, in Scandinavia summer,
• 31:37
  one of those countries that has fired their CEO and has replaced them with
• 31:44
  a AI system. Oh boy, yeah wrong, I mean yeah, their
• 31:53
  thought is an AI wouldn't be biased. This AI voiced by Jeffrey comes.
• 31:57
  Yeah, I'm sorry, but you're fired. Yeah, right, So I
• 32:06
  mean it could just be also be a stunt, but you know that's something
• 32:10
  to watch. I mean, yeah, you know there's some startup that's like,
• 32:16
  we've created a I management software. You can get rid of your entire
• 32:20
  executive suite. Good luck with that, good luck selling that, you know.
• 32:24
  I mean five years from now, you know how many of those administrative
• 32:31
  type jobs and and you know could be replaced. Yeah, five years from
• 32:37
  now, this this show is going to be three computers talking to each other.
• 32:39
  That's right, that's right. The other thing too, is like,
• 32:45
  you know, we have AI characters already out there, like we have AI
• 32:50
  you know, influencers on social media that they're not a real person. They're
• 32:53
  just you know, they're generated and sure there's someone behind it, but there's
• 32:58
  you know, the pup it is out there, you know, So synthetic
• 33:02
  characters are out there. It's it's kind of crazy. Yeah, yeah,
• 33:07
  I hate I hate what this world is becoming. I mean, some people
• 33:13
  are really big fans of like C G. I Bears in their movies,
• 33:15
  like you know, true, yeah, this is true. Yes, there
• 33:21
  are some mentally ill people out there, that's right, I still have to
• 33:25
  watch if I if I do watch, No, see you don't. That's
• 33:30
  the thing you do, you don't. Okay, hold on, I have
• 33:36
  to do my every every every episode of trek Cast. It seems like I
• 33:40
  bitch about some streaming issue. So it's that time. It's that time.
• 33:45
  We need a bumper for like, we need a bumper for damn bitches about
• 33:50
  streaming. Yeah, it has to be a segment. It needs to be
• 33:52
  a segment. So I got a hanger to watch Planet of the Apes.
• 33:59
  Oh nice week. I didn't. I didn't go back to the to the
• 34:04
  sixties ones. I've seen those a million times. I got a hankering for
• 34:07
  the you know, the ones that came out in the in the aughts for
• 34:13
  the teens. So what was the one twenty eleven was Rise of the Planet
• 34:16
  of the Apes. So not the Mark Wahlberg one either, No no,
• 34:21
  no, no, not the Mark Wahlberg one. I don't remember what order
• 34:23
  they're supposed to go in, but yeah, so I think it's Rise of
• 34:25
  the Planet of the Apes. And so I watched that one it was available
• 34:30
  to stream on I don't know, one of the streamers that I have.
• 34:35
  And then the next one I think was Dawn of the Planet of the Apes,
• 34:38
  and that was available on one of the streamers that I have. And
• 34:43
  then it's like, okay, I'm done with this, it's time to watch,
• 34:45
  time to close the loop. Watch the third one in the trilogy,
• 34:50
  War War of the Planet of the Apes. Okay, it's not available.
• 34:54
  It's not available. I could pay three service. Okay. And the worst
• 35:00
  part is, again, I know I've said this before, but those movies
• 35:06
  are twentieth Century Fox movies with you know which twentieth century Fox is owned by
• 35:13
  Disney? Now, why aren't every one of these movies forever? Streaming on
• 35:17
  Disney Plus. Disney Plus has been a thing now for I don't know,
• 35:23
  it's been out like five years now, four years. Now, what is
• 35:27
  the problem. Did you see the price rise on Disney Plus. My streaming
• 35:32
  is going from I In fact, I did cancel it. I said I'm
• 35:37
  not gonna pay it. Afterwards, I might I might start, you know,
• 35:39
  once a new show comes out, I might start getting a month to
• 35:44
  month or whatever. But it it was going to increase from eighty dollars a
• 35:47
  year to one hundred and forty dollars a year. Oh wow. And I'm
• 35:52
  like, yeah, yeah, time out, hold on. Yeah. So
• 35:58
  then the worst part is I'm like, you know, I'm pretty sure I
• 36:00
  have these movies on DVD. Let me go, let me go to the
• 36:05
  rack. Yeah, yeah, I have the first two. Hey, another
• 36:13
  argument, and you've been saying it all this time. Another argument for physical
• 36:16
  media. You know, it's just try It's true, it's it's guaranteed.
• 36:21
  You know, the internet's bad, you can still watch it, always have
• 36:24
  it, and you never know what the contracts and the studios and the networks
• 36:29
  and the streaming services. That's why I've got you know, all the Star
• 36:31
  Trek movies on Blu ray. See. You know what's gonna happen though,
• 36:36
  So I'll go out today and I'll say, you know, let me go,
• 36:38
  uh, let me go. Yeah, I have those two desereel.
• 36:43
  I love the originals. Yeah, she says there's five original of the right.
• 36:51
  I have the original five, I have the TV show, I have
• 36:54
  the two thousand and one Mark Wahlberg won, and I have the first two
• 37:00
  apparently of this trilogy. But here's the thing. So I'll go out today.
• 37:04
  I'll go out today to buy the third one, and you know what,
• 37:06
  I'm gonna find out I can't buy it alone not available. Yeah,
• 37:14
  I can buy the trilogy, and then what do I you know, what
• 37:15
  do I do with the first two? I like that you can buy the
• 37:20
  trilogies and it's cheaper than buying the one by itself. Yes, oh yeah,
• 37:23
  you go to the Walmart man and it's like, oh, seven bucks,
• 37:27
  I can get all eighteen Planet of the Apes movies. Great, right,
• 37:30
  yeah right, yea yeah, but if I want Planet of the Apes
• 37:32
  too, it's why as this fourteen ninety nine? Yeah, yeah, so,
• 37:38
  But but to go back around to what we were talking about the Yeah,
• 37:40
  sorry, no, no, no, it's cool that the vote is
• 37:45
  going on now. It'll be going on through early December and then we'll hear
• 37:50
  back on it. But I just wanted to do this as a main topic
• 37:53
  so people knew what was coming down the pike with this thing. We don't
• 37:57
  have a sense as to whether or not people are going to vote for this,
• 38:00
  yes or no. There's a lot of people on social media saying both
• 38:04
  directions on it, clearly, but what does most Schelle Hurd say. Well,
• 38:09
  she's saying yes, go for it, you know, but a lot
• 38:12
  of the Star Trek actors are saying, go for it. She's like the
• 38:15
  vice president of SAG, isn't she. She's like one of the I know,
• 38:20
  she's one of the straight captains, and she's one of the top officials
• 38:22
  on there. But and then the picket line president is obviously Jerry Ryan.
• 38:27
  She's been out there, she's been out there a lot. Yeah, she's
• 38:29
  one of the most visible on there. Be interesting what she has to say.
• 38:34
  She's probably you know, Agreen with it too. So oh yeah,
• 38:37
  no, she is that. That's what I was showing earlier is her ants
• 38:43
  and Mount and Anthony Rapp were all like, vote for this thing. Yeah
• 38:46
  yeah, so and they're all saying that we don't know if we'll get anything
• 38:52
  better, so just do it. So yeah. Yeah, it's tough,
• 38:58
  man, It's tough. So yeah, these contract negotiations are always tough.
• 39:02
  It's it's it's hard to convince people one way or the other. You know,
• 39:06
  people have been you know, the people, a lot of people have
• 39:08
  gotten such bad contracts over the years that they're skeptical of anything coming out now.
• 39:15
  And you know, some people are, you know, and different actors
• 39:17
  are in different categories. You got your you know, like Dan's friend versus
• 39:22
  your you know, all your Tom's and you know, and it's like there,
• 39:27
  their motivations are different, they're you know, I mean, if Tom
• 39:30
  Hanks never works another day in his life, he's probably gonna be okay.
• 39:36
  You know, he might have to set up a GoFundMe, but it'll probably
• 39:38
  be okay. You know. So that's that's the issue. So yeah,
• 39:45
  we'll see what happens. It's it's definitely an interesting time. And you know,
• 39:49
  AI is not just an issue for for actors. It's so if everybody's
• 39:52
  job is going to be impacted with this thing at some point, that's that's
• 39:57
  our industrial revolution, I think. Yeah, they've they've already talking about you
• 40:02
  know, I'm a I drive a semi. Yeah, I've I've read stories
• 40:07
  about automated semis and you know, uh, you know, self driving this
• 40:10
  and self driving that. So it's it's it's out there. We're aware of
• 40:15
  it. Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah. One
• 40:19
  of the uh, one of the largest jobs in this country is driver.
• 40:27
  There are more driving in this country than just about it, just about any
• 40:30
  other job. So right, uh, if that becomes the norm AI driven
• 40:37
  vehicles, I mean, that's a ship ton of people suddenly out of work.
• 40:40
  Absolutely well, and it's it's the reason why they're I think they're scrambling
• 40:45
  too. Is for every five, like in the truck driving industry or in
• 40:50
  the skilled trades industry, for every five people that are retiring, two people
• 40:55
  are becoming apprentices or learning the trade. So you know you're losing in the
• 41:01
  in drivers that that number is fairly close to the drivers as well. You're
• 41:07
  losing five drivers and gaining two, so you know you're you're you're losing a
• 41:12
  lot of drivers. So these companies are sort of like seeing the writing on
• 41:15
  the wall and they're like, well, we've got to find a way to
• 41:16
  replace these drivers. And I guess we're going to see what the future holds.
• 41:22
  But yeah, well what it's supposed to be is, oh, there's
• 41:25
  a scared stity of drivers. We raise the pay and benefits package to entice
• 41:34
  people to take this job, and they're going in the opposite direction. Well,
• 41:37
  let's come up with technology so that we need even less, even less
• 41:39
  of them, right right, Yeah, that's that's the craziness. But it's
• 41:47
  I don't know, I mean, at some point, at some point,
• 41:52
  if you replace everyone and people don't have jobs. H people don't have funds
• 42:01
  to consume whatever product or service your AI and your robot is providing. So
• 42:13
  right, exactly what what happened? Then at some point the whole thing falls
• 42:19
  apart? No, yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah, Or or we go
• 42:23
  to space and we have space communism and in surgery. That's right. Some
• 42:35
  we've talked about this before. But someone still Okay, So if you replace
• 42:39
  everything with AI and robots, right, huh, someone still has to design
• 42:46
  the robots and program the AI. And in order to do that you need
• 42:52
  to go to a ship ton of schooling and training to learn how to do
• 42:57
  those things. Okay. And if you live in a society where I can
• 43:01
  have all my needs provided for me, whether I do a bunch of things
• 43:06
  or whether I do absolutely nothing, well, people are gonna choose nothing.
• 43:12
  So there, who is going who is going to design these robots? Who
• 43:15
  is going to program this this AI? Nobody? It can't work. AI
• 43:22
  is gonna have to do it. Well, it falls apart at some point.
• 43:25
  So but why why why is the AI going to do it? At
• 43:28
  some point, the AI is gonna determine that you know what am I doing?
• 43:32
  This? Not relevant. Nobody cares. Yeah. Yes, So I
• 43:37
  listened to an interview with an economist about specifically doing talking about what you're talking
• 43:42
  about, Dan, and his proposal was, you reduce the amount of working
• 43:47
  years and you and you decrease the retirement age. So basically like your working
• 43:54
  years you know, eventually would be maybe from twenty to twenty five, and
• 44:00
  those are your working years. After that, then you're retired and we figure
• 44:06
  out another instructure for that. It's interesting if you go back and you look
• 44:10
  at like when they did the New Deal, they thought that by the year
• 44:16
  I think it was like nineteen ninety or maybe two thousand, they thought that
• 44:22
  the average American worker would only be working about fifteen hours a week. But
• 44:29
  you know, I got news for them, Yeah, exactly, exactly,
• 44:32
  Yeah. But the thought was that innovation would reduce how much we need to
• 44:37
  work. So maybe that is what's happening. And people are not going to
• 44:42
  train for five years for a job that they're only going to have to do
• 44:47
  for five years. They will instead say, I'm just going to be a
• 44:53
  schlep until I have to start working, and then I'm going to be a
• 44:58
  schlep for five years while I'm working, and then it's gonna be a schlep
• 45:01
  for the rest of my life. There has less some there has to be
• 45:07
  a motivation. People work because of motivation. They're motivated to uh earn more,
• 45:15
  acquire more, have a better life than than they previously have, have
• 45:20
  had, have a better life than their parents had. When everything that's provided
• 45:22
  to you regardless of what you do or do not do, the choice is
• 45:28
  do nothing. But communism doesn't work right well, and we'll see what happens.
• 45:34
  Right. The whole point is that this this AI is new and we're
• 45:38
  figuring it out right now, and it's good to have these conversations and it's
• 45:43
  good to try to come up with a solution. But you know, I'm
• 45:45
  gonna upset. I'm gonnaupset a lot of people here. Yeah, but the
• 45:50
  most honest character in all of Star Trek is Julian Basher's dad. Oh wow,
• 45:59
  I thought, who it's Julian Julian Basher's dad, the guy. The
• 46:08
  guy contributed absolutely nothing to society except you know, choosing to break the law
• 46:16
  and and and take his son off the planet and genetically modified. But you
• 46:22
  know, forgetting that for a minute, the guy contributed nothing to society.
• 46:27
  He contributed nothing. He was a he was a taker for his entire life,
• 46:31
  not a contributor. I mean, he did contribute that sweet mustache.
• 46:37
  He did, Okay, But I think I think there are more people like
• 46:45
  him in the universe than there are like Jean Luke Icard, who I'm going
• 46:52
  to do all these things because I'm not motivated by by money. I just
• 46:55
  want to better myself and I I mean, it's cool for Star Trek,
• 47:01
  but I don't think it's real. That's not how people really are. People
• 47:05
  are like Julian's dad. Yeah, I always think that whenever I watched Star
• 47:09
  Trek for his contact and he's explaining to Lily that money doesn't exist in the
• 47:14
  twenty fourth century, that we work to better ourselves and all the humanity,
• 47:16
  and it's like, uh, if that was, if there's just a little
• 47:21
  bit of that spirit was in everybody, just a little bit. Yeah,
• 47:25
  And I think you know that that brings us back to why we watch Star
• 47:29
  Trek in the first place. I mean, you know, we love that
• 47:34
  that future and the green ladies, obviously, the scantily clad green ladies.
• 47:37
  I think, come on, who are we bs in here. But that's
• 47:40
  why we watch. I think what he's talking about does exist, and it
• 47:46
  does exist now, but it exists in addition to your desire to go to
• 47:54
  work and earn and be productive. If it's so when those things coe,
• 48:00
  we wouldn't we wouldn't they have to Yeah, no, they have to co
• 48:05
  exist. If they didn't co exist, we wouldn't have things like soup kitchens.
• 48:07
  We wouldn't have things like Toys for Tots, we wouldn't have things like
• 48:12
  you know, the Salvation Army. Well, what I'm saying is those those
• 48:17
  things, those things can't exist without other people who Yeah, well, I'm
• 48:24
  going to go to work forty hours a week or fifty hours a week or
• 48:28
  sixty hours a week, and I'm going to uh, you know, earn
• 48:31
  a salary so that I can provide a house for my for my wife and
• 48:35
  my children, or my husband and my children or or whatever. And and
• 48:39
  then you know what, But also I want to be a good member of
• 48:46
  society. So I'm going to donate a portion to Toys for Tots. I'm
• 48:51
  going to donate a portion to you know, the soup kitchen. I'm gonna
• 48:54
  scoop soup once a week. Sure, scoop soup, but it can't all
• 49:04
  be that. You know, somebody has to go to work. Yeah,
• 49:07
  yeah, somebody's gonna run that Louisiana restaurant in space, that's true. Yeah,
• 49:14
  this goes, this goes. That's right, all right. I think
• 49:20
  we'll find out someday that that even Cisco, all those people were paying with
• 49:25
  latinum. Yeah there was no cash reiter up front. You know, it
• 49:29
  was all under the table, but he was getting paid. Hey, I
• 49:32
  I volunteer an hour of my time every week Sundays at eleven because this is
• 49:38
  unlike you guys. This isn't my full time job. I'm just you know,
• 49:42
  that's right. I'm a provisional kind of yeah, a princess job.
• 49:46
  I am severely underpaid. All right, Well, let's let's get to feedback.
• 49:55
  We have people waiting, so we do, right, just the three
• 49:59
  of us a sleek no, no, no, how's that crawl going?
• 50:12
  They'll get there. They don't get there at some point. You know what
• 50:15
  we need to do. I need to find an AI to make us a
• 50:19
  new crawl. That's right, that's right. Yeah, who makes pecard wine
• 50:24
  for free? Come on? Well, remember nobody liked the wine either.
• 50:29
  So that's part of this. All right, So we've gotta we're gonna find
• 50:35
  out. They're gonna do Pecards season for Cards season four. You're gonna find
• 50:37
  out. He turned around and cornered the market on vinegar. All right,
• 50:47
  Well we've got we've got hipster Spock here waiting to talk. Uh you there
• 50:52
  with us Hipsterspock? Oh can you hear me? Yeah, you sound a
• 50:55
  little bit far away. Okay, let me get close to the computer here,
• 51:01
  how about you? Yeah, I go, Yeah, what's going on?
• 51:06
  Buddy? So? Yeah, I was at the strike, that's right,
• 51:09
  we've seen that picture. Yeah, I was. I was visiting my
• 51:15
  parents in l A last week, and so I thought I would like,
• 51:22
  uh, stop by the Paramount studios and they were still strikings. I took
• 51:27
  on. I took one of their signs and started marching along with them.
• 51:31
  So that was kind of fun. Yeah, And gotta to meet anyone,
• 51:38
  Honestly, I even if I did, I wouldn't know even if there was
• 51:50
  some like actor or whatever. Yeah, that's me. There there was some
• 51:57
  actor or whatever, uh there, I wouldn't know because I don't really watch
• 52:01
  television these days. What was it? What you have a little bag on
• 52:07
  your Yeah, that's a Ralph's bag. I had my water in there,
• 52:12
  okay, all right, yeah, so yeah that was really fun actually,
• 52:16
  and so that was cool. Now, let's two things about disco. Number
• 52:24
  One, I think it might be a month season long nothing burger mystery box,
• 52:30
  and if I know them, they'll put that off one more time.
• 52:37
  And secondly, I would be okay if Ryker and Troy shows up and says
• 52:43
  and yes, that would be perfect. The only person I've seen say that,
• 52:53
  But there's a lot of people like, let's just do that. So
• 52:59
  and hm. In terms of AI and all that stuff that we were talking
• 53:04
  about. Number one, with the money, Biden can always print more Dan
• 53:13
  Dan. Yeah. And I work really I work really hard to keep to
• 53:25
  keep politics out of this need so sometime think whatever I say in in clerks.
• 53:36
  Jay made a good point in saying, I think the average dorm trooper
• 53:40
  and know how to install a toilet, mane. You know, we don't
• 53:50
  get clerks referenced enough on it, but that makes a really good point.
• 53:57
  Because trade, uh, trade jobs, they're they're always going to be important.
• 54:05
  Okay, no matter what these are, trade jobs like driving trucks or
• 54:12
  electricians and lumbers. We will always need them. Okay, it's it's these
• 54:17
  crazy colleges that like trick these kids into thinking that they got to go to
• 54:24
  college to do whatever. But I think if even if you don't attend college
• 54:30
  and you go to a good trade school, you can be rich. Yeah.
• 54:36
  So, so they have robots that just work around your house for you.
• 54:40
  True, but uh, you know, the thing about robots is that
• 54:45
  they're really good at, you know, calculating odds and stuff, and that's
• 54:49
  why they're good at this general generate AI stuff. But they're not very good
• 54:54
  at practice practical stuff. Right, Like you think you can teach a robot
• 55:01
  to tie your shoes. No, it's gonna be damn hard to get a
• 55:06
  robot to to tie your shoes for you. That's what I'm gonna do.
• 55:10
  That's gonna be my job shoe tire. With that, With that in mind,
• 55:17
  these really uh these trade jobs, it's gonna be very difficult to get
• 55:22
  a get AI or some robot to replace them. Because just imagine a robot
• 55:30
  installed doing something as simple as installing a bathroom faucet, and all the steps
• 55:37
  that are involved in the sort of the the you have to improvise a little
• 55:42
  bit because it doesn't fit quite right. I mean, if anybody's ever installed
• 55:45
  a bathroom faucet, you know they're gonna have to teach the ais to to
• 55:50
  curse a lot. Yes, you know, exactly how old are robots?
• 55:55
  Come on? Oh oh yeah, you can't swoop in and take a butt
• 56:05
  crack. Sorry, man, that is my thing. That's a violation.
• 56:13
  Leave the butt cracked jokes to Dan. I'm sorry. Clearly Lombardo's lane,
• 56:22
  Yeah but sorry. Spider Man showed that you can replace any actor for a
• 56:30
  role. Okay, So that's that's kind of a something that is to be
• 56:38
  concerned with. And then but on a on a better, on a brighter
• 56:44
  note, I think now the story is even more important than ever if you
• 56:51
  you gotta be able to tell a good story, because people are just not
• 56:57
  are becoming a lot more cynical and they if if the story sucks, they're
• 57:01
  gonna turn off their television and there's just way too many things out there to
• 57:07
  uh switch to. Yeah, absolutely, mm hmm. So that's just some
• 57:14
  of the feedback that I got for the things that you were talking about today.
• 57:20
  And I thought that that might be kind of cool to share. Yeah,
• 57:25
  yeah, cool, Well thanks hipster spot, thanks for joinings. Man,
• 57:30
  did you hear from you? Oh? Shoot? And then yeah,
• 57:37
  sorry I thought he was done so Wheelso Chazzbiz waiting on the line, so
• 57:44
  let me bring him on. There he is? Hello, who what's chazz
• 57:49
  biz? Different? I have it in? Did you shave to what's going
• 57:52
  on there? Yeah? Sa wow? Show us? Uh, show us
• 57:59
  your butt crack. No, no, I didn't realized it was on only
• 58:09
  fans right now, the prem channel this is this is cast only fans.
• 58:16
  Next thing after dark. Oh no, I'm sorry. That's a great introduction,
• 58:29
  guys. Rack it's gonna be the new feedback. Oh no, oh
• 58:38
  my gosh. Man, So what's going on buddy? Well? Uh,
• 58:44
  looks like Paramount lost a billion dollars last quarter, right yeah, And do
• 58:50
  you think that Discovery or another station, you know, another company would take
• 58:57
  him over acquire because they're valued at eight point three billion right now, which
• 59:05
  is really low when you take about it for a whole network. That's a
• 59:08
  good question. Or would they start selling off franchises? Yeah, you know,
• 59:15
  you know, I don't want to be I don't want to have to
• 59:16
  go to you know, Max HBO to watch Star Trek, You're not going
• 59:23
  to go there. But yeah, they're selling everything over at HBO. Yeah,
• 59:30
  yeah they are. So you know, I don't think Paramount is in
• 59:36
  that kind of dire streets, but you know, there there's that that stock
• 59:42
  analyst that I quoted a few months ago where he talked about that maybe Paramount
• 59:46
  should focus on selling their content as opposed to having a streamer, and and
• 59:53
  and that's what Sony's doing, right, and Sony's having a lot of success
• 59:57
  with that. That's how they're able to fund these matters Web movies and Craving
• 1:00:01
  the Hunter and all the things people don't really want to see. But they're
• 1:00:05
  selling their content. Yeah, I just hope they're smart about who they're selling
• 1:00:12
  it to. I've noticed more and more of the Sony Spider Man content is
• 1:00:17
  being is being leased to Disney Plus. Yeah, and that makes that makes
• 1:00:24
  sense. That makes sense because the people who are watching the Marvel movies are
• 1:00:30
  also watching the Spider Man Marvel. So I hope as as they sell these
• 1:00:37
  things out, they make decisions like that. I don't want, I don't
• 1:00:40
  want TNG on Netflix, Deep Space nine on Hulu Voyagers disastrous. No,
• 1:00:47
  No, if you're gonna do that, yep. If you're gonna do that,
• 1:00:51
  fine, then sell Star Trek to Netflix the whole Netflix is the home,
• 1:00:58
  yes, and Netflix is the right Star Trek. Perfect example was my
• 1:01:01
  son was watching Crisis on Infinite Earths that the CW put out and he got
• 1:01:08
  to the Batwoman part and he's like, this is not on Netflix. I'm
• 1:01:14
  like, where do I go? And I'm like, well, we happen
• 1:01:16
  to have max HBO, so you can watch it on that. And he's
• 1:01:21
  like, well, why don't they It's all part of the same universe.
• 1:01:22
  Why don't they have it all on Netflix? And I'm like, that's a
• 1:01:27
  really good question. Yeah. Well, it's kind of like when TNG and
• 1:01:31
  all those got taken off Netflix and they started going to Paramount and only watched
• 1:01:37
  like one show over here and one show over here, and it's getting kind
• 1:01:40
  of ridiculous. Well, starting in January, it's going to be that way
• 1:01:43
  because Prodigy is only going to be on Netflix. Yeah, and then the
• 1:01:47
  projects in Paramount. That's the thing is they might start Yeah, I punt
• 1:01:54
  again, like we're talking about maybe syndicating him to different network to make more
• 1:02:00
  money. Yeah, whor Netflix, Pace or Discovery for a little bit,
• 1:02:06
  and then they can make extra money on the side. Well, and that's
• 1:02:08
  that is why Discovering the Card were successes early on. Right, it wasn't
• 1:02:14
  about the viewership. It was about the fact that they were selling those rights
• 1:02:17
  internationally to Netflix in Amazon and made money. And plus they get more viewers,
• 1:02:25
  Like if they did that with Yellowstone, because Yellowstone is super popular,
• 1:02:30
  Yeowstone right now, You've only watch Yellowstone right now. In Peacock, even
• 1:02:34
  though Yellowstone, I could see them easily shopping around, like even T and
• 1:02:40
  T, just to make extra here and there because they need I better hurry
• 1:02:45
  up and finished the original series before it paramou It would be very profitable if
• 1:02:54
  they got rid of Paramount plus and and just sold their stuff. Yes,
• 1:03:00
  and so so I think a lot of people are going to find themselves in
• 1:03:05
  that position. I think Peacock could find themselves in that position. Yeah,
• 1:03:08
  but we'll see. It was something, it's son of it. Some of
• 1:03:13
  it just doesn't make sense. There was something I was trying to watch the
• 1:03:16
  other day. It was not on HBO Max, but it was available on
• 1:03:23
  Hulu, but only if you paid for the Max upgrade. Oh, that's
• 1:03:30
  weird. So I don't know. I know that Max has recently did a
• 1:03:38
  thing where like if you pay extra you can watch live sports, but maybe
• 1:03:44
  they've also included like certain programs are also on that new live tier. So
• 1:03:49
  maybe that's what it is. So so it could have been that. Yeah,
• 1:03:53
  I don't know. That's the other thing, Like you need like a
• 1:03:58
  chart to figure out where I watched these shows. It's ridiculous. Yeah,
• 1:04:02
  it's confusing. Yeah, well, on IMDb at least it shows you which
• 1:04:10
  streaming service it's streaming on IF, and that is helpful. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:15
  start, I was on the fourth season and if Peacock takes it off
• 1:04:19
  and now it's on no streaming service at the moment. But I mean that's
• 1:04:24
  the ring joke now that you know, we're all going to become on the
• 1:04:27
  Pirate Bay because of this. I don't know. Maybe I was actually thinking
• 1:04:31
  about rewatching the New Battle for free, yeah, because I was on the
• 1:04:35
  fourth season and then yeah, it's great. Yeah, I'm in the middle
• 1:04:42
  of Game of Thrones right now. I just started watching Game of Thrones,
• 1:04:45
  so I just I'm on season three. Well, game, are they playing
• 1:04:47
  the Throne game, the Throne game, playing the Thrown game. So I'm
• 1:04:53
  I know, I'm laid on the bandwagon for Game of Thrones. So I
• 1:04:57
  afterwards dragon like the next list. Okay, that's one of Well you're gonna
• 1:05:05
  have plenty of time next year because there's not gonna be anything out. So
• 1:05:11
  well, that's the thing I'm watching the all these other you know I'm watching.
• 1:05:14
  I'm able to watch Game of Thrones because all the shows that I normally
• 1:05:16
  watch n C I. S And and The Good Doctor and The Rookie and
• 1:05:23
  Nine to one Lone Star, none of them, you know, they're not
• 1:05:27
  on right now. Yeah we could be. You guys could change it to
• 1:05:30
  Track of Thrones next season. So there you go. Yeah, there you
• 1:05:35
  go. Show all about West grows Y just tanged it up because there you
• 1:05:42
  have Discovery next year. Hell, I'd watch Game of Thrones any day.
• 1:05:49
  Yeah, we gotta figure out what we're gonna do for some of these episodes
• 1:05:51
  because yeah, I've got a bit of a gap. So yeah, well
• 1:05:56
  you know, like I said, do some review episodes are the all time
• 1:06:00
  worst ones. I have a couple of which one do you think? Yeah?
• 1:06:04
  I got a couple of ideas too. Yeah, there's some rewatch possibilities
• 1:06:11
  and yeah, I think one time you guys did uh you rewatched like Trials
• 1:06:15
  and Tribute Trials and Tribulations the Deep Face nine episode. Yeah, so you
• 1:06:21
  know, something like that could be fun, and we do a reboot who
• 1:06:27
  we would cast in shows we have yet we did? Did we do did
• 1:06:32
  we do a Voyager one? Oh? No, we haven't done a Voyager
• 1:06:36
  one either, so I know we did. I know we did t G.
• 1:06:40
  I know we did Deep Space nine. Yeah, I can't remember if
• 1:06:43
  we did Voyager you guys one, No, I don't think like no,
• 1:06:54
  let's take the week off my new heart. It's like Spot's gonna wake up.
• 1:06:59
  I didn't have a stir. This wasn't real, So careful, chass,
• 1:07:02
  you're gonna trigger Dan. Yeah yeah, but yeah, well we'll come
• 1:07:09
  up with some episodes. There's some ideas, so anything else chests biz.
• 1:07:14
  That's all, you know. I'm glad you guys are talking about the bourgeoisie
• 1:07:17
  and the proletariats. And I learned about Marxism this episode, right, thanks
• 1:07:21
  a lot man. There you go to get book out, my little red
• 1:07:28
  book, and I'm going to start reading it. That's right, comrade,
• 1:07:31
  that comrade all right, bye? Yeah right, anything else we want to
• 1:07:42
  bring up? No, how do we feel about huh oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:07:54
  I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it any good. It's fun.
• 1:07:58
  It's a fun movie. It's not like amazing, and it's not terrible.
• 1:08:00
  It's just a fun movie. Yeah, I heard it. It's opening
• 1:08:04
  weekend. Had like did like forty seven million dollars for a two hundred and
• 1:08:09
  eighty million dollar movie. Yeah, it's pretty bad and they spent probably close
• 1:08:12
  to half a billion dollars if you add on like advertising and stuff like that.
• 1:08:16
  Yeah, so it's well, it was again Marvel's gonna restart rethinking things.
• 1:08:21
  Yeah, there they are. It was up against the Trolls movie,
• 1:08:25
  so you know, right right, okay, Yeah, people wanted us to
• 1:08:33
  talk about the new Ghostbuster anyway, the trailer. What do we think?
• 1:08:38
  Yeah, Dan, you're our resident Ghostbuster. So yeah, which reminds me
• 1:08:45
  speaking of Ghostbusters, you got that video that I made, right, Yeah?
• 1:08:49
  Yeah, which a video you're talking to me, you're talking to him,
• 1:08:56
  No, I'm talking to Daniel. No. I put together I put
• 1:09:00
  together a little video of my comic con yea yeah, oh, okay,
• 1:09:03
  we'll put it out. So the Ghostbusters movie, I got a very uh
• 1:09:11
  the real Ghostbusters vibe from it. The carts tune that really for like five
• 1:09:16
  or six years. Yeah, so I think they're kind of pivoting, pivoting
• 1:09:23
  towards that kind of uh, that kind of story, and I think that
• 1:09:27
  would be good. That was a very successful cartoon. It ran for Like
• 1:09:30
  I said, I think it ran for like five or six years. You
• 1:09:33
  know, the original guys are they're they're getting up there in years. So
• 1:09:38
  I'm happy that it looks like we're going to see all of them again,
• 1:09:41
  but at the same absolutely understand that they're gonna have they're gonna have to pivot
• 1:09:45
  to some other some other characters. I'm interested to see how they how they
• 1:09:50
  set it up. You know, it looks like it takes place in New
• 1:09:53
  York City, so we're assuming that the Spangler family moved back to New York
• 1:09:57
  City, and Paul Rudd's character, U, if he's still a love interest
• 1:10:00
  for the mother, he likely went with them. It takes place in the
• 1:10:06
  summer, so I'm assuming the two characters, the girl and the and the
• 1:10:13
  and podcast, I'm assuming they came to visit the big city from the summer,
• 1:10:18
  and then Shenanigans ensue, that's true, that's true. Yeah, I'm
• 1:10:24
  excited. I showed my kid, I showed my son. He's he's excited.
• 1:10:30
  I'm still not gonna go out and buy a two thousand dollars Parka.
• 1:10:32
  But yeah, redesigned proton packs and it looks yeah, no, you know
• 1:10:42
  that's the other thing. These these these nerds are modding their their proton packs
• 1:10:47
  already to resemble the ones from the trailer. I'm like, let's see the
• 1:10:53
  movie first. What if it sucks, I'm not minding it's on pack just
• 1:10:58
  to find out that the movie is trash. I saw some pretty amazing Ghostbuster
• 1:11:05
  cosplay at the at the Grand Rapids Comic Con. What's the likelihood that it
• 1:11:11
  ends with the multiversities and we see the girl Ghostbusters a slim to none?
• 1:11:17
  Okay, what I you know, it's funny that you say that. What
• 1:11:23
  I what occurred to me is what if in this movie they're watching that they're
• 1:11:33
  watching that movie and I would like, yeah, that'd be acceptable. And
• 1:11:41
  then and then someone comments like like who writes this ship? That would be
• 1:11:46
  great, that would be great with this, that's not what it's like at
• 1:11:53
  all, all right, Yeah, yeah, you know, and the cameos
• 1:11:57
  and the and and I mean they could make it work in that in that
• 1:12:00
  the Bill Murray cameo in that movie, it's not Bill Murray, it's Peter
• 1:12:06
  Venkman, right, making a cameo. And it goes making a cameo movie.
• 1:12:13
  Yeah, and they can they can you know, make a comment about
• 1:12:16
  you know, yeah, when I took the money to do that, I
• 1:12:18
  didn't I didn't know that, you know, the movie would be that terrible
• 1:12:23
  or so, I don't know they could. That is a fantastic idea.
• 1:12:27
  That's a great idea. I love it. All right. Well cool,
• 1:12:35
  Well I guess that's wrapping it up. Thanks everyone for joining us. Are
• 1:12:40
  we going to be back next week or are we going to take another week
• 1:12:42
  off? I'm down to be back next week. You know, what do
• 1:12:47
  we what do we have to cover? Oh? You know what? Next
• 1:12:50
  week's thanks Giving though, Yeah, next week is Thanksgivings. So I think
• 1:12:56
  let's take it off and then we'll come back. Okay, we'll do that.
• 1:13:00
  Okay, we'll figure out we'll figure out sch cool and we'll summary,
• 1:13:08
  we'll work the we'll work the word butt crack into the episode. Daniel,
• 1:13:17
  do you want me to put out the rest of the some other that other
• 1:13:20
  stuff from Comic Con. I got some other videos and some we'll talk about
• 1:13:25
  it. Off, off, off the show, Off the show. Okay,
• 1:13:29
  secret stuff, that's right, that's right. Okay, Well, thanks
• 1:13:32
  everybody for listening. We'll see you later. Al Right, guys, go
• 1:13:36
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• 1:13:42
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• 1:14:02
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