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Hocus Pocus · Verbal Diorama

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Hi,
1:47
everyone.
1:48
I'm
1:48
Em,
1:48
and
1:48
welcome
1:49
to
1:49
verbal
1:49
diorama,
1:50
episode
1:50
317,
1:52
Hocus
1:53
Pocus.
1:54
This
1:54
is
1:54
the
1:54
podcast
1:54
that's
1:55
all
1:55
about
1:55
the
1:55
history
1:55
and
1:55
legacy
1:56
of
1:56
movies.
1:56
You
1:56
know,
1:57
and
1:57
maybe
1:57
you
1:58
don't.
1:58
That
1:59
puts
1:59
a
1:59
spell
2:00
on
2:00
you.
2:01
And
2:01
now
2:02
you're
2:02
mine?
2:04
You
2:04
can't
2:04
stop
2:05
the
2:05
things
2:05
I
2:05
do?
2:06
I
2:06
ain't
2:07
lying.
2:08
Been
2:08
317
2:09
episodes
2:10
right
2:10
down
2:11
to
2:11
the
2:11
day.
2:12
Now
2:12
the
2:12
witch
2:12
is
2:13
back
2:13
and
2:14
there's
2:14
hell
2:14
to
2:15
pay?
2:16
I
2:16
put
2:16
a
2:17
spell
2:17
on
2:17
youa,andndnowyou're
2:22
mine.
2:24
Welcome
2:24
to
2:24
Verbal
2:24
Diorama.
2:26
Whether
2:26
you're
2:26
a
2:26
regular
2:26
returning
2:27
listener,
2:27
whether
2:27
you're
2:28
an
2:28
irregular
2:28
returning
2:28
listener,
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whether
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you're
2:29
a
2:29
brandnebrand-newwlistenertothispodcast.Thankyouforbeing
2:32
here.
2:32
Thank
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you
2:33
for
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choosing
2:33
to
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listen
2:34
to
2:34
this
2:34
podcast.
2:35
I'm
2:35
so
2:36
happy
2:36
to
2:36
have
2:36
you
2:36
here
2:36
for
2:37
the
2:37
history
2:37
and
2:37
legacy
2:38
of
2:38
Hocus
2:39
Pocus.
2:40
Huge
2:40
thank
2:41
you
2:41
to
2:41
the
2:41
regular
2:42
returning
2:42
listeners.
2:43
Without
2:43
you,
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I
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would
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not
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still
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be
2:45
doing
2:45
what
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I'm
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doing
2:46
for
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the
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last
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almost
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seven
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years
2:48
now.
2:48
It's
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crazy.
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Huge
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thank
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you
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for
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your
2:51
support.
2:51
It
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genuinely
2:53
means
2:53
so
2:53
much.
2:54
And
2:54
the
2:55
traditional
2:55
spooky
2:56
season
2:56
on
2:56
Verbal
2:57
Diorama
2:57
Soft
2:58
launched
2:58
with
2:58
the
2:58
devil's
2:59
advocate
2:59
a
2:59
few
3:00
episodes
3:00
ago,
3:00
but
3:01
since
3:01
then
3:01
launched
3:02
properly
3:02
for
3:03
Candyman
3:04
and
3:04
last
3:05
week,
3:05
Wes
3:05
Craven's
3:06
new
3:06
nightmare.
3:07
And
3:08
now
3:08
something
3:08
more
3:09
family
3:09
friendly.
3:09
It
3:10
didn't
3:10
quite
3:10
start
3:11
off
3:11
as
3:11
family
3:11
friendly
3:12
as
3:12
it
3:12
became,
3:13
but
3:13
it
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still
3:14
features
3:14
a
3:14
hanging
3:15
stealing
3:16
children's
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souls
3:17
and
3:18
siblings
3:18
Gary
3:18
and
3:19
Penny
3:19
Marshall
3:19
as
3:20
husband
3:20
and
3:20
wife.
3:21
This
3:21
is
3:21
a
3:21
movie
3:22
that
3:22
flopped
3:22
in
3:22
1993,
3:23
but
3:24
like
3:24
Billy
3:25
Butcherson,
3:26
kept
3:26
coming
3:26
back
3:27
to
3:27
life.
3:28
Perhaps
3:28
it
3:28
is
3:29
all
3:29
just
3:29
a
3:29
bunch
3:30
of
3:30
Hocus
3:30
pocus.
3:31
Or
3:32
perfect.
3:32
The
3:33
spell
3:34
just
3:34
took
3:34
a
3:35
while
3:35
to
3:35
affect
3:36
us
3:36
all.
3:37
Here's
3:37
the
3:38
trailer
3:38
for
3:38
Hocus
3:39
Pocus.
5:31
In
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1693,
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the
5:32
Sanderson
5:33
sisters
5:33
are
5:33
accused
5:34
of
5:34
witchcraft
5:35
by
5:35
the
5:35
Salem
5:35
townspeople.
5:36
But
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before
5:37
they're
5:37
hanged,
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eldest
5:38
sister
5:38
Winifred
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casts
5:39
a
5:40
spell
5:40
saying
5:40
that
5:41
they
5:41
will
5:41
be
5:41
resurrected
5:42
when
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a
5:43
virgin
5:43
lights
5:44
the
5:44
black
5:44
flame
5:44
candle.
5:45
Fast
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forward
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300
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years
5:47
to
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1993.
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Newcomer
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to
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Salem
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from
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Los
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Angeles,
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Max.
5:52
He's
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bullied
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at
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school
5:53
and
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has
5:53
a
5:54
crush
5:54
on
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his
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schoolmate
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Alison.
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On
5:56
Halloween
5:56
night,
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his
5:57
parents
5:57
force
5:58
him
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to
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go
5:58
trick
5:59
or
5:59
treating
5:59
with
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his
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younger
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sister
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Danny.
6:01
While
6:01
their
6:01
parents
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go
6:02
to
6:02
a
6:02
party,
6:03
Max,
6:03
Dany
6:04
and
6:04
Alison
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decide
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to
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go
6:05
to
6:06
the
6:06
house
6:06
of
6:06
the
6:06
Sanderson
6:07
sisters,
6:08
which
6:08
is
6:08
now
6:08
a
6:08
derelict
6:09
museum.
6:10
Max
6:10
taunts
6:11
the
6:11
legendary
6:12
curse
6:12
and
6:12
despite
6:13
being
6:13
a
6:13
virgin,
6:14
decides
6:15
to
6:15
light
6:15
the
6:15
black
6:16
flame
6:16
candle,
6:17
bringing
6:17
back
6:18
Winifred,
6:18
Sarah
6:19
and
6:19
Mary
6:20
Sanderson.
6:21
Let's
6:22
run
6:22
through
6:22
the
6:22
cast
6:23
of
6:23
this
6:23
movie.
6:23
We
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have
6:24
Bette
6:24
Midler
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as
6:25
Winifred
6:26
Sanderson,
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Sarah
6:27
Jessica
6:28
Parker
6:28
as
6:28
Sarah
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Sanderson,
6:30
Kathy
6:30
Najimy
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as
6:31
Mary
6:31
Sanderson
6:32
Omri
6:33
Katz
6:33
as
6:34
Max
6:34
Dennison
6:35
Thora
6:36
Birch
6:36
as
6:36
Dani
6:37
Dennison,
6:38
Vinessa
6:38
Shaw
6:39
as
6:39
Allison
6:39
Watts,
6:40
Charles
6:41
Rockett
6:41
as
6:41
David
6:42
Denison,
6:43
Stephanie
6:43
Faracy
6:44
as
6:44
Jennifer
6:45
Dennison,
6:46
Sean
6:46
Murray
6:46
as
6:47
Thackerey
6:47
Binx,
6:48
Jason
6:49
Marsden
6:49
as
6:50
the
6:50
voice
6:50
of
6:50
Thackerey
6:51
Binks
6:51
and
6:51
Doug
6:52
Jones
6:52
as
6:53
Billy
6:53
Butcherson.
6:54
Hocus
6:55
Pocus
6:55
has
6:56
a
6:56
screenplay
6:56
by
6:56
Mick
6:57
Garris
6:57
and
6:57
Neil
6:58
Cuthbert,
6:59
story
6:59
by
6:59
David
7:00
Kirschner
7:00
and
7:00
Mick
7:01
Garris,
7:01
and
7:01
was
7:02
directed
7:02
by
7:03
Kenny
7:03
Ortega.
7:04
And
7:05
Hocus
7:05
Pocus
7:06
is
7:06
a
7:06
beloved
7:07
Halloween
7:07
classic.
7:08
A
7:08
movie
7:08
that
7:08
is
7:09
watched
7:09
repeatedly
7:10
every
7:10
October
7:11
by
7:11
families
7:12
all
7:12
over
7:12
the
7:12
world.
7:13
The
7:13
Sanderson
7:14
Sisters
7:14
merchandise
7:15
is
7:15
across
7:16
the
7:16
Internet,
7:17
from
7:17
Halloween
7:18
costumes
7:18
to
7:18
books
7:19
to
7:19
Funko
7:20
pops
7:20
to
7:20
T
7:21
shirts
7:21
to
7:22
even
7:22
a
7:22
Lego
7:23
set
7:23
of
7:23
the
7:23
Sanderson
7:24
house.
7:25
But
7:25
Hocus
7:26
Pocus
7:26
wasn't
7:27
always
7:27
like
7:27
this.
7:28
It
7:28
came
7:29
out
7:29
in
7:29
the
7:29
crowded
7:30
summer
7:30
of
7:30
1993.
7:32
Yes,
7:32
summer.
7:33
The
7:33
summer
7:34
of
7:34
Jurassic
7:35
park,
7:35
the
7:36
summer
7:36
of
7:36
the
7:36
Firm,
7:37
the
7:37
summer
7:38
of
7:38
Robin
7:38
Hood,
7:38
Men
7:39
in
7:39
Tights,
7:40
which
7:40
is
7:40
still
7:40
the
7:41
biggest
7:41
ever
7:41
episode
7:42
of
7:42
this
7:42
podcast.
7:42
Don't
7:43
ask
7:43
me
7:43
why,
7:43
it
7:44
just
7:44
is.
7:45
But
7:45
how
7:45
did
7:45
Hocus
7:46
Pocus
7:46
go
7:47
from
7:47
a
7:47
box
7:47
office
7:47
disappointment
7:49
to
7:49
not
7:49
only
7:49
a
7:50
Halloween
7:50
classic,
7:51
universally
7:52
beloved
7:52
by
7:52
families,
7:53
but
7:53
also
7:54
a
7:54
piece
7:54
of
7:54
queer
7:55
cinema
7:55
becoming
7:56
inspiration
7:56
for
7:57
drag
7:57
queens
7:57
across
7:58
the
7:58
world?
8:00
Hocus
8:00
Pocus
8:01
started
8:01
life
8:01
as
8:02
a
8:02
bedtime
8:02
story
8:03
that
8:03
David
8:03
Kirshner,
8:04
writer
8:04
and
8:05
producer,
8:05
would
8:06
make
8:06
up
8:06
for
8:06
his
8:06
daughters.
8:08
He
8:08
would
8:08
tell
8:08
them
8:08
that
8:09
the
8:09
neighbor's
8:09
black
8:09
cap
8:10
contained
8:10
the
8:10
soul
8:11
of
8:11
a
8:11
young
8:11
boy
8:12
who
8:12
had
8:12
been
8:12
cursed
8:13
by
8:13
witches
8:13
to
8:14
live
8:14
in
8:14
feline
8:14
form
8:15
and
8:15
whose
8:16
children
8:16
loved
8:17
the
8:17
slightly
8:17
spooky
8:18
stories.
8:19
So
8:19
he
8:19
created
8:20
this
8:20
trio
8:21
of
8:21
witches.
8:22
Kirschner
8:23
is
8:23
no
8:24
stranger
8:24
to
8:24
this
8:24
podcast
8:25
and
8:25
not
8:25
a
8:26
horror,
8:26
because
8:26
he
8:27
was
8:27
also
8:27
the
8:27
guy
8:28
who
8:28
created
8:28
the
8:29
first
8:29
images
8:30
of
8:30
Chucky
8:31
from
8:31
Child's
8:32
Play.
8:32
That's
8:33
episode
8:33
274
8:34
of
8:34
this
8:34
podcast
8:35
from
8:35
last
8:35
October.
8:36
The
8:36
idea
8:37
of
8:37
three
8:37
witches,
8:38
the
8:38
Sanderson
8:39
sisters,
8:40
hanged
8:40
in
8:40
the
8:40
1600s
8:41
and
8:41
then
8:41
resurrected
8:42
by
8:42
Salem
8:43
children,
8:44
had
8:44
all
8:44
the
8:44
makings
8:45
of
8:45
a
8:45
Halloween
8:46
story.
8:47
Kirschner
8:48
had
8:48
previously
8:49
written
8:49
a
8:49
story
8:50
about
8:50
a
8:51
little
8:51
Jewish
8:51
mouse.
8:52
That
8:52
little
8:53
Jewish
8:53
mouse
8:54
story
8:54
had
8:55
led
8:55
to
8:55
working
8:56
with
8:56
Steven
8:56
Spielberg
8:57
on
8:57
the
8:58
movie
8:58
of
8:58
that
8:58
story,
8:59
which
8:59
was
9:00
An
9:00
American
9:01
Tale,
9:01
a
9:02
movie
9:02
that
9:02
may
9:02
or
9:02
may
9:03
not
9:03
be
9:03
coming
9:03
to
9:03
this
9:03
podcast
9:04
very
9:04
soon.
9:05
Kirschner's
9:06
Halloween
9:07
short
9:07
story,
9:07
which
9:07
was
9:08
called
9:08
Halloween
9:08
House,
9:09
was
9:09
published
9:10
in
9:10
Muppet
9:11
Magazine,
9:11
and
9:12
he
9:12
developed
9:13
that
9:13
into
9:13
the
9:14
first
9:14
draft
9:14
of
9:14
a
9:15
screenplay.
9:16
A
9:16
meeting
9:16
was
9:17
scheduled
9:17
between
9:17
Kirschner
9:18
and
9:18
Jeffrey
9:19
Katzenberg,
9:20
who
9:20
worked
9:20
at
9:21
Disney
9:21
at
9:21
the
9:21
time.
9:22
He
9:22
was
9:22
the
9:23
guy
9:23
who'd
9:23
famously
9:24
declined
9:24
Kirschner's
9:25
idea
9:26
for
9:26
An
9:26
American
9:27
Tale,
9:27
which
9:28
had
9:28
ended
9:28
up
9:28
at
9:28
Amblin
9:29
with
9:29
the
9:29
famous
9:30
quote,
9:30
who
9:31
wants
9:31
to
9:31
watch
9:32
a
9:32
movie
9:32
about
9:32
a
9:33
Jewish
9:33
mouse?
9:34
I
9:34
mean,
9:35
it
9:35
turned
9:35
out
9:35
that
9:35
quite
9:36
a
9:36
lot
9:36
of
9:36
people
9:36
actually
9:37
wanted
9:37
to
9:38
watch
9:38
a
9:38
movie
9:38
about
9:39
a
9:39
Jewish
9:39
mouse,
9:39
because
9:40
An
9:40
American
9:40
Tale
9:41
ended
9:41
up
9:41
huge.
9:43
Kirschner
9:43
went
9:44
all
9:44
out
9:44
to
9:44
impress
9:45
Katzenberg
9:46
for
9:46
Halloween
9:46
House
9:47
with
9:47
a
9:47
conference
9:48
room
9:48
filled
9:48
with
9:49
a
9:49
cauldron
9:49
of
9:49
dry
9:49
ice,
9:50
candy
9:51
corn,
9:51
pumpkins
9:52
and
9:52
a
9:52
broom,
9:53
a
9:53
mop
9:53
and
9:54
a
9:54
vacuum
9:54
cleaner
9:55
suspended
9:55
from
9:55
the
9:55
ceiling.
9:56
Katzenberg
9:57
was
9:58
not
9:58
impressed
9:58
with
9:58
the
9:59
theatrics,
9:59
but
10:00
he
10:00
was
10:00
impressed
10:00
when
10:01
Kirschner
10:01
mentioned
10:02
that
10:02
Halloween
10:03
was
10:03
a
10:03
billion
10:03
dollar
10:04
business.
10:04
Maybe
10:05
that
10:05
was
10:05
something
10:05
Disney
10:06
might
10:06
be
10:06
interested
10:07
in.
10:07
And
10:07
of
10:07
course,
10:08
Katzenberg
10:09
wanted
10:09
a
10:09
slice
10:09
of
10:10
that
10:10
pumpkin
10:11
pie.
10:11
Now,
10:12
memories
10:12
differ
10:13
on
10:13
this
10:14
particular
10:14
scenario,
10:15
because
10:15
while
10:15
Kirschner
10:16
insists
10:17
the
10:17
pitch
10:17
was
10:17
to
10:18
Katzenberg
10:18
and
10:18
Disney.
10:19
Mick
10:20
Garris
10:21
says
10:21
the
10:21
pitch
10:21
was
10:22
to
10:22
Steven
10:22
Spielberg.
10:23
Both
10:23
David
10:24
Kirschner
10:24
and
10:25
Mick
10:25
Garris
10:25
were
10:26
in
10:26
the
10:26
room,
10:26
but
10:27
Kirchner
10:27
would
10:27
insist
10:28
his
10:28
version
10:28
of
10:28
events
10:29
was
10:29
correct
10:30
because
10:30
Kathleen
10:31
Kennedy,
10:31
Spielberg's
10:32
producing
10:33
partner,
10:33
was
10:34
called
10:34
out
10:34
Kirschner
10:35
for
10:35
hurting
10:35
Spielberg's
10:36
feelings
10:37
by
10:37
pitching
10:37
to
10:37
Katzenberg
10:38
instead
10:39
of
10:39
the
10:39
guy
10:39
who
10:40
gave
10:40
him
10:40
his
10:41
big
10:41
break
10:41
with
10:41
an
10:42
American
10:42
tail.
10:43
And
10:43
Spielberg
10:44
took
10:44
it
10:44
as
10:44
a
10:45
personal
10:45
slight.
10:46
Kirschner
10:47
would
10:47
obviously
10:48
sell
10:48
his
10:48
idea
10:48
to
10:49
Disney,
10:49
and
10:50
he
10:50
did
10:50
want
10:50
Spielberg
10:51
involved
10:51
in
10:51
the
10:52
movie
10:52
because
10:52
the
10:52
guy
10:53
had
10:53
a
10:53
way
10:53
with
10:54
magical
10:54
kids
10:54
fantasy
10:55
movies
10:55
in
10:55
the
10:56
80s.
10:57
But
10:57
Disney
10:58
and
10:58
Amblin
10:58
weren't
10:59
really
10:59
best
10:59
buds
11:00
and
11:00
they
11:01
were
11:01
each
11:01
other's
11:01
competition
11:02
for
11:03
that
11:03
lucrative
11:03
family
11:04
market
11:04
and
11:05
neither
11:05
wanted
11:06
to
11:06
be
11:06
in
11:06
business
11:06
with
11:07
the
11:07
other.
11:08
And
11:08
so
11:08
it
11:08
turned
11:09
out
11:09
that
11:09
An
11:09
American
11:09
Tale
11:10
would
11:10
be
11:10
more
11:10
keen
11:11
to
11:11
the
11:11
success
11:11
of
11:11
Hocus
11:12
Pocus
11:12
than
11:13
anyone
11:13
would
11:14
ever
11:14
realize.
11:15
Now,
11:15
Amblin
11:16
and
11:16
Disney
11:16
did
11:17
have
11:17
somewhat
11:17
of
11:18
a
11:18
relationship
11:18
in
11:18
the
11:19
late
11:19
80s.
11:20
They
11:20
had
11:20
joint
11:21
custody
11:21
of
11:22
who
11:22
Framed
11:22
Roger
11:23
Rabbit
11:23
with
11:24
each
11:24
company
11:24
owning
11:25
half.
11:26
But
11:26
the
11:26
relationship
11:26
quickly
11:27
soured
11:27
after
11:28
that
11:28
movie
11:28
was
11:28
released
11:29
in
11:29
1988,
11:30
and
11:30
the
11:30
deal
11:31
for
11:31
Amblin
11:31
to
11:32
develop
11:32
a
11:32
series
11:32
of
11:32
shores
11:33
to
11:33
be
11:33
produced
11:34
at
11:34
Walt
11:34
Disney
11:34
Feature
11:35
Animation
11:36
soon
11:36
fell
11:36
by
11:36
the
11:36
wayside
11:37
when
11:37
the
11:38
shared
11:38
custody
11:39
of
11:39
the
11:39
shorts
11:40
and
11:40
their
11:40
success
11:41
meant
11:41
Disney
11:42
wanting
11:42
a
11:42
bigger
11:43
slice
11:43
of
11:43
the
11:43
pie
11:44
and
11:44
Spielberg
11:45
scrapping
11:45
the
11:45
remaining
11:46
shorts.
11:47
Kirchner's
11:48
original
11:48
idea
11:49
was
11:49
mixed
11:50
with
11:50
Mick
11:50
Garris
11:51
more
11:51
grown
11:52
up,
11:52
more
11:53
frightening,
11:53
more
11:53
tween
11:54
based
11:54
horror
11:54
script,
11:55
which
11:55
included
11:56
the
11:56
creation
11:56
of
11:57
Billy
11:57
Butcherson.
11:58
And
11:58
Garris's
11:59
darker
11:59
tone
12:00
gradually
12:01
become
12:01
more
12:01
comedic
12:02
thanks
12:02
to
12:03
co
12:03
writer
12:03
Neil
12:04
Cuthbert
12:04
and
12:05
about
12:05
a
12:05
dozen
12:05
uncredited
12:06
writers
12:06
who
12:07
took
12:07
a
12:07
stab
12:07
at
12:07
the
12:08
script
12:08
for
12:08
Hocus
12:08
Pocus
12:09
over
12:09
an
12:10
eight
12:10
year
12:10
period.
12:10
While
12:11
the
12:11
movie
12:11
sat
12:12
in
12:12
development
12:12
hell,
12:13
it
12:13
went
12:14
from
12:14
a
12:14
tween
12:14
horror
12:15
to
12:15
having
12:15
teenage
12:16
protagonists
12:17
to
12:17
having
12:17
two
12:18
teenagers
12:18
and
12:19
one
12:19
child.
12:20
The
12:20
title
12:21
Hocus
12:21
Pocus
12:22
came
12:22
thanks
12:22
to
12:22
co
12:23
writer
12:23
Neil
12:23
Cuthbert.
12:24
He
12:24
crafted
12:25
the
12:25
line
12:25
from
12:26
Max
12:27
it's
12:27
just
12:27
a
12:27
bunch
12:27
of
12:28
hocus
12:28
pocus
12:29
as
12:29
an
12:29
explanation
12:30
for
12:30
him
12:30
being
12:31
the
12:31
virgin
12:31
who
12:31
lights
12:32
the
12:32
black
12:32
flame
12:33
candle.
12:33
A
12:34
candle
12:34
no
12:34
one
12:34
thought
12:35
to
12:35
get
12:35
rid
12:35
of
12:35
in
12:36
300
12:36
years,
12:37
saying
12:38
that
12:38
I
12:38
still
12:38
have
12:38
some
12:38
Yankee
12:39
candles
12:39
that
12:39
are
12:40
about
12:40
10
12:40
years
12:40
old
12:40
that
12:41
still
12:41
have
12:41
life
12:41
in
12:41
them.
12:42
So
12:42
who
12:43
knows?
12:44
And
12:44
development
12:44
hell
12:45
is
12:45
where
12:45
the
12:46
newly
12:46
minted
12:46
Hocus
12:47
Pocus
12:47
sat
12:48
for
12:49
about
12:49
eight
12:49
years
12:50
until
12:51
Bette
12:51
Midler
12:52
came
12:52
along.
12:52
Winifred
12:53
Sanderson
12:54
had
12:54
been
12:54
written
12:54
with
12:55
Cloris
12:55
Leachman
12:56
in
12:56
mind.
12:57
Leachman,
12:57
who
12:58
died
12:58
in
12:58
2021
12:59
was
12:59
a
12:59
Best
13:00
Supporting
13:00
Actress
13:01
Academy
13:01
Award
13:01
winner
13:02
and
13:02
a
13:02
BAFTA
13:03
Supporting
13:03
Actress
13:04
winner
13:04
for
13:04
the
13:04
Last
13:04
Picture
13:05
show
13:05
as
13:06
well
13:06
as
13:06
a
13:06
Golden
13:07
Globe
13:07
winner
13:07
for
13:07
best
13:08
actress
13:08
in
13:08
1974
13:09
for
13:10
Phyllis
13:10
an
13:11
an
13:11
eight
13:11
time
13:12
Primetime
13:12
Emmy
13:13
award
13:13
winner.
13:14
But
13:14
if
13:14
you're
13:14
going
13:15
to
13:15
replace
13:15
Cloris
13:16
Leachman,
13:16
you
13:17
replace
13:17
her
13:18
with
13:18
three
13:18
time
13:19
Emmy
13:19
winning,
13:20
three
13:20
time
13:20
Grammy
13:21
winning,
13:22
two
13:22
time
13:22
Tony
13:23
winning,
13:23
four
13:24
time
13:24
Golden
13:24
Globe
13:25
winning
13:25
Bachelor
13:26
nominated
13:26
and
13:27
double
13:27
Academy
13:28
Award
13:28
nominee,
13:29
The
13:29
Divine
13:29
Ms.
13:30
M.
13:30
Bette
13:30
Midler.
13:31
She's
13:32
only
13:32
an
13:32
Oscar
13:32
away
13:33
from
13:33
an
13:33
EGOT.
13:34
Bette
13:35
Midler
13:35
was
13:35
a
13:35
big
13:36
name
13:36
for
13:36
Jeffrey
13:36
Katzenberg
13:37
under
13:38
the
13:38
Disney
13:38
owned
13:39
Touchstone
13:39
Pictures
13:40
banner.
13:40
She
13:41
was
13:41
a
13:41
powerhouse
13:41
for
13:42
the
13:42
studio
13:42
in
13:42
the
13:42
late
13:43
80s
13:43
with
13:44
starring
13:44
roles
13:45
in
13:45
1986's
13:46
down
13:46
and
13:46
Out
13:46
in
13:47
Beverly
13:47
Hills
13:48
and
13:48
Ruthless
13:48
People
13:49
and
13:49
1987's
13:50
Outrageous
13:51
Fortune
13:52
and
13:52
did
13:52
big
13:53
business
13:53
in
13:53
1988
13:54
in
13:55
Big
13:55
Business.
13:55
And
13:56
she
13:56
also
13:56
lent
13:57
her
13:57
voice
13:57
to
13:57
the
13:57
Disney
13:58
animated
13:58
classic,
13:59
and
13:59
it
13:59
is
13:59
a
13:59
classic,
14:00
Oliver
14:00
and
14:01
Company
14:01
as
14:02
the
14:02
voice
14:02
of
14:02
Georgette.
14:03
In
14:04
fact,
14:04
Disney
14:04
wanted
14:05
Midler
14:05
so
14:06
much
14:06
that
14:06
Katzenberg
14:07
signed
14:07
her
14:08
to
14:08
a
14:08
three
14:08
picture
14:09
deal
14:09
in
14:09
1987,
14:10
something
14:11
exceedingly
14:12
rare
14:12
in
14:12
Hollywood
14:13
for
14:13
a
14:13
studio
14:14
and
14:14
a
14:15
star
14:15
to
14:15
commit
14:15
to
14:16
in
14:16
the
14:16
late
14:17
80s.
14:18
It
14:18
would
14:18
lead
14:18
to
14:19
probably
14:19
her
14:19
most
14:20
well
14:20
known
14:20
movie,
14:21
Beaches.
14:22
But
14:22
the
14:22
early
14:22
90s
14:23
would
14:23
be
14:23
a
14:23
small
14:23
bump
14:24
in
14:24
the
14:24
road
14:24
for
14:25
Middler's
14:25
run
14:25
of
14:26
more
14:26
or
14:26
less
14:26
constant
14:27
success
14:28
with
14:28
Stella,
14:29
Scenes
14:29
From
14:30
a
14:30
Mall
14:30
and
14:31
For
14:31
the
14:31
Boys,
14:31
all
14:32
struggling
14:32
either
14:33
critically
14:33
or
14:34
commercially.
14:35
But
14:35
the
14:35
other
14:35
thing
14:36
that
14:36
had
14:36
changed
14:36
for
14:37
Bette
14:37
Midler
14:37
was
14:38
in
14:38
1986
14:39
she
14:39
had
14:39
given
14:40
birth
14:40
to
14:40
a
14:40
daughter
14:41
and
14:41
that
14:41
little
14:42
girl
14:42
was
14:42
now
14:42
interested
14:43
in
14:44
watching
14:44
some
14:44
of
14:44
her
14:44
mother's
14:45
films.
14:46
The
14:46
problem
14:46
was
14:47
none
14:47
of
14:47
her
14:47
films
14:48
were
14:48
suitable
14:48
for
14:48
a
14:49
young
14:49
child.
14:49
And
14:50
so
14:50
the
14:50
idea
14:51
of
14:51
taking
14:51
on
14:51
something
14:51
like
14:52
Hocus
14:52
Pocus
14:53
was
14:53
a
14:53
way
14:54
to
14:54
diversify
14:54
her
14:55
roles
14:55
and
14:56
give
14:56
her
14:56
daughter
14:56
something
14:57
she
14:57
could
14:57
watch.
14:58
And
14:58
as
14:58
soon
14:59
as
14:59
Bette
14:59
Midler
15:00
signed
15:00
on
15:00
the
15:00
dotted
15:01
line
15:01
to
15:01
play
15:01
Winifred,
15:03
everything
15:03
just
15:03
fell
15:03
into
15:04
place.
15:04
Midler
15:05
essentially
15:05
greenlit
15:06
the
15:06
movie
15:07
and
15:07
Midler
15:08
fully
15:08
committed
15:09
to
15:09
the
15:09
bit
15:09
for
15:10
Winifred.
15:11
Director
15:12
Kenny
15:12
Ortega
15:13
was
15:13
mostly
15:13
known
15:13
as
15:14
a
15:14
choreographer,
15:15
famously
15:15
working
15:16
as
15:16
one
15:16
on
15:16
Pretty
15:17
in
15:17
Pink,
15:17
Ferris
15:18
Bueller's
15:19
Day
15:19
off,
15:19
where
15:19
he
15:19
was
15:19
also
15:19
a
15:20
second
15:20
unit
15:20
director
15:21
and
15:21
most
15:21
famously,
15:22
Dirty
15:22
Dancing.
15:23
He
15:24
made
15:24
his
15:24
directorial
15:25
debut
15:25
in
15:25
1992
15:26
for
15:26
Disney
15:27
with
15:27
Newsies,
15:28
which
15:29
flopped
15:29
at
15:29
the
15:29
box
15:29
office
15:30
but
15:30
became
15:30
a
15:30
cult
15:31
classic.
15:32
His
15:32
sophomore
15:33
directorial
15:34
effort
15:34
was
15:34
Hocus
15:35
Pocus
15:36
and
15:36
he'd
15:36
worked
15:37
with
15:37
Bette
15:37
Midler
15:37
before.
15:38
And
15:38
her
15:38
being
15:39
involved
15:39
was
15:40
enough
15:40
for
15:40
Ortega
15:41
to
15:41
drop
15:41
everything
15:41
and
15:42
say
15:42
yes,
15:43
and
15:43
with
15:43
Ortega
15:44
being
15:44
a
15:45
choreographer
15:45
and
15:46
him
15:46
knowing
15:46
Bette
15:47
Midler
15:47
could
15:47
hold
15:47
the
15:48
tune,
15:48
he's
15:49
the
15:49
one
15:49
responsible
15:50
for
15:51
the
15:51
I
15:51
put
15:51
a
15:51
spell
15:52
on
15:52
you
15:52
scene.
15:52
It
15:53
was
15:53
something
15:53
David
15:54
Kirschner
15:54
questioned
15:55
in
15:55
the
15:55
middle
15:56
of
15:56
a
15:56
dramatic
15:56
chase
15:57
to
15:57
stop
15:57
the
15:57
action
15:58
for
15:58
a
15:58
musical
15:59
number.
15:59
But
15:59
Ortega
16:00
insisted
16:01
and
16:01
it's
16:02
become
16:02
one
16:02
of
16:02
the
16:02
most
16:03
well
16:03
known
16:03
scenes
16:04
in
16:04
the
16:04
movie
16:04
with
16:05
Bette
16:05
Midler
16:06
going
16:06
full
16:06
divine,
16:07
Miss
16:07
Anne
16:07
and
16:08
Kathy
16:08
Najimi
16:09
and
16:09
Sarah
16:09
Jessica
16:10
Parker
16:10
as
16:10
her
16:11
backup
16:11
singers.
16:12
Based
16:12
on
16:12
Midler's
16:13
real
16:13
life
16:13
backup
16:14
singers,
16:14
the
16:14
Harletts,
16:15
the
16:16
song
16:16
was
16:16
specifically
16:17
arranged
16:17
for
16:17
Midler.
16:18
Marc
16:19
Shaiman,
16:19
who
16:19
wrote
16:20
the
16:20
Broadway
16:20
hit
16:20
Hairspray
16:21
and
16:22
worked
16:22
with
16:22
Midler
16:22
on
16:23
Beaches,
16:23
arranged
16:24
the
16:24
song
16:24
specifically
16:25
for
16:25
her.
16:26
He
16:26
wanted
16:26
it
16:27
to
16:27
sound
16:27
like
16:27
a
16:27
Midler
16:28
concert
16:28
opening
16:29
number.
16:30
Getting
16:30
the
16:30
rights
16:31
to
16:31
the
16:31
original
16:31
1956
16:32
song
16:32
by
16:33
Screamin'
16:33
Jay
16:33
Hawkins
16:34
wasn't
16:35
easy,
16:35
so
16:35
the
16:36
writers
16:36
had
16:36
to
16:36
try
16:36
and
16:37
figure
16:37
out
16:37
how
16:38
to
16:38
get
16:38
those
16:38
lyrics
16:39
and
16:39
the
16:39
song
16:40
different
16:40
enough
16:40
so
16:41
they
16:41
could
16:41
still
16:41
use
16:42
it.
16:42
Midler
16:43
contributed
16:44
the
16:44
line
16:44
of
16:45
of
16:45
all
16:45
the
16:45
witches
16:46
working
16:46
owing
16:46
the
16:47
worst
16:47
to
16:47
the
16:47
song.
16:48
She
16:48
would
16:49
regularly
16:49
perform
16:49
her
16:50
hocus
16:50
pocus
16:51
rendition
16:51
of
16:52
I
16:52
put
16:52
a
16:52
spell
16:52
on
16:53
you
16:53
on
16:53
tour
16:54
wearing
16:54
Winifred's
16:55
dress,
16:56
wig
16:56
and
16:56
signature
16:57
makeup.
16:58
Going
16:58
back
16:59
to
16:59
Midler,
17:00
fully
17:00
committed
17:00
to
17:00
the
17:01
bit
17:01
for
17:01
Winifred
17:01
because
17:02
she
17:02
really
17:02
genuinely
17:03
did.
17:04
Speaking
17:05
of
17:05
backup
17:06
singers
17:06
and
17:07
her
17:07
fellow
17:07
sisters,
17:08
Kathy
17:09
Najimy
17:10
fresh
17:10
off
17:10
of
17:10
Sister
17:11
act,
17:11
the
17:12
same
17:12
sister
17:12
at
17:12
the
17:12
Midler
17:13
turned
17:13
down
17:14
the
17:14
fears
17:14
of
17:14
her
17:15
public
17:15
image
17:15
being
17:15
tarnished
17:16
by
17:16
playing
17:16
a
17:16
nun.
17:17
That
17:17
story's
17:18
in
17:18
episode
17:18
295
17:19
of
17:20
this
17:20
podcast.
17:21
She
17:21
plays
17:22
the
17:22
shy
17:22
sister
17:23
Mary.
17:23
Rosie
17:24
o'
17:24
Donnell
17:25
had
17:25
been
17:25
originally
17:26
approached,
17:26
but
17:27
she
17:27
turned
17:27
it
17:27
down,
17:28
not
17:28
wanting
17:28
to
17:28
play
17:29
a
17:29
witch.
17:30
Najimy
17:30
didn't
17:31
want
17:31
to
17:31
play
17:31
a
17:32
stereotypical
17:32
witch
17:33
because
17:33
she
17:34
fully
17:34
believes
17:34
in
17:35
white
17:35
witches
17:35
and
17:36
she
17:36
discussed
17:37
Mary's
17:37
character
17:37
at
17:38
length
17:38
with
17:38
Kenny
17:38
Ortega,
17:40
concerned
17:40
about
17:40
witches
17:41
who
17:41
wanted
17:41
to
17:42
kill
17:42
children.
17:43
But
17:43
ultimately
17:43
the
17:44
bet
17:44
middle
17:44
of
17:44
it
17:45
all
17:45
was
17:45
the
17:45
reason
17:45
she
17:46
signed
17:46
on.
17:47
Najimy
17:47
cam
17:48
up
17:48
with
17:48
Mary's
17:49
crazy
17:49
hairstyle
17:50
and
17:50
crooked
17:50
mouth
17:51
which
17:51
she
17:51
uses
17:52
to
17:52
help
17:52
smell
17:53
children.
17:54
Sarah
17:55
Jessica
17:55
Parker
17:56
was
17:56
unaware
17:57
of
17:57
her
17:57
links
17:57
to
17:57
Salem
17:58
when
17:58
she
17:59
took
17:59
on
17:59
the
17:59
role
17:59
of
17:59
younger
18:00
sister
18:00
Sarah.
18:01
Esther
18:02
Elwell,
18:02
Parker's
18:03
10th
18:03
great
18:04
grandmother,
18:04
was
18:05
arrested
18:05
in
18:05
Salem
18:06
for
18:06
committing
18:07
sundry
18:07
act
18:08
of
18:08
witchcraft
18:08
in
18:09
1692.
18:10
Elwell
18:11
was
18:11
accused
18:11
of
18:12
bewitching
18:12
Mary
18:13
Fitch,
18:13
the
18:14
young
18:14
sister
18:14
of
18:14
a
18:14
deacon,
18:15
claiming
18:16
that
18:16
Esther
18:16
Elwell
18:17
used
18:17
her
18:18
spirit
18:18
to
18:18
torment
18:19
Mary,
18:19
who
18:20
later
18:20
died
18:20
due
18:21
to
18:21
this
18:21
alleged
18:22
bewitching.
18:23
Elwell's
18:23
case
18:24
never
18:24
went
18:24
to
18:25
trial
18:25
because
18:25
the
18:25
Court
18:26
had
18:26
banned
18:26
the
18:26
use
18:27
of
18:27
spectral
18:27
evidence
18:28
the
18:28
previous
18:28
month,
18:29
which
18:29
gave
18:30
the
18:30
prosecutors
18:30
little
18:31
evidence
18:31
to
18:32
go
18:32
on.
18:33
Esther
18:33
Elwell
18:33
was
18:34
released
18:34
from
18:34
prison
18:34
by
18:35
the
18:35
Governor,
18:35
Sir
18:36
William
18:36
Phipps,
18:37
free
18:37
to
18:37
live
18:38
out
18:38
the
18:38
remainder
18:38
of
18:38
her
18:39
life.
18:39
Thirteen
18:40
generations
18:41
later,
18:41
Sarah
18:42
Jessica
18:43
Parker
18:43
was
18:43
born.
18:44
Parker
18:44
didn't
18:45
know
18:45
about
18:45
Esther
18:45
Elwell
18:46
until
18:46
appearing
18:47
on
18:47
Who
18:47
Do
18:47
Yo
18:47
Think
18:48
You
18:48
Are?
18:48
In
18:48
2010,
18:49
but
18:49
it's
18:50
a
18:50
remarkable
18:50
connection
18:51
and
18:51
Parker
18:52
would
18:52
actually
18:52
relish
18:53
being
18:53
in
18:53
the
18:53
air
18:54
suspended
18:54
on
18:55
wires
18:55
unlike
18:56
most
18:56
of
18:56
the
18:57
cast,
18:57
but
18:58
this
18:58
was
18:58
the
18:58
early
18:58
90s
18:59
and
18:59
being
18:59
suspended
19:00
on
19:00
wires
19:01
was
19:01
very
19:01
much
19:01
a
19:01
thing.
19:02
Most
19:03
of
19:03
the
19:03
cast
19:03
did
19:03
their
19:03
own
19:04
flying
19:04
stunts,
19:05
including
19:05
the
19:05
then
19:06
10
19:06
year
19:06
old
19:06
Thora
19:07
Burch
19:07
as
19:07
Dani
19:08
Dennison,
19:09
and
19:09
Midler
19:09
would
19:10
make
19:10
sure
19:10
the
19:10
young
19:10
actor
19:11
was
19:11
kept
19:11
entertained
19:12
during
19:12
long
19:13
shoots.
19:14
Birch,
19:14
who
19:14
would
19:14
go
19:15
on
19:15
to
19:15
become
19:15
a
19:15
cult
19:15
favourite
19:16
actor
19:16
in
19:16
her
19:17
own
19:17
right,
19:17
learned
19:18
what
19:18
a
19:18
virgin
19:19
was
19:19
on
19:19
set
19:20
because
19:20
she
19:20
was
19:21
10.
19:21
Of
19:21
course
19:22
she
19:22
didn't
19:22
know.
19:23
She
19:23
would
19:23
love
19:24
the
19:24
entire
19:24
experience,
19:25
but
19:25
especially
19:26
the
19:26
Halloween
19:26
party
19:27
scene.
19:28
Omri
19:28
Katz,
19:29
who
19:30
I
19:30
had
19:30
a
19:30
huge
19:31
crush
19:31
on
19:31
from
19:31
his
19:32
Eerie
19:32
Indiana
19:33
days,
19:33
I
19:33
absolutely
19:34
loved
19:34
that
19:34
show
19:35
and
19:35
it
19:35
was
19:36
bizarrely
19:36
on
19:37
British
19:37
tv.
19:38
I
19:38
think
19:38
it
19:39
was
19:39
on
19:39
BBC
19:39
too.
19:40
Katz
19:41
would
19:41
also
19:41
bring
19:42
the
19:42
voice
19:42
of
19:42
Thackeray
19:43
Binks
19:43
with
19:43
him
19:44
from
19:44
Erie,
19:44
Indiana,
19:45
Jason
19:45
Marsden.
19:46
Because
19:46
the
19:47
pair
19:47
were
19:47
friends,
19:48
he
19:48
would
19:49
overdub
19:49
Sean
19:50
Murray's
19:50
performance
19:51
as
19:51
the
19:51
human
19:51
version
19:52
of
19:52
Binks,
19:53
which
19:53
wasn't
19:53
a
19:53
particularly
19:54
easy
19:54
task,
19:55
as
19:55
well
19:55
as
19:56
voice
19:56
the
19:56
cat
19:56
version
19:57
of
19:57
Binks,
19:58
which
19:58
also
19:58
wasn't
19:59
particularly
19:59
easy
20:00
for
20:00
him
20:00
to
20:00
match
20:01
his
20:01
mouth
20:01
to
20:02
the
20:02
cat's
20:02
mouth.
20:03
But
20:03
Omri
20:04
Katz
20:04
wasn't
20:05
the
20:05
first
20:05
choice
20:05
for
20:05
the
20:06
role
20:06
of
20:06
Max.
20:07
It
20:07
was
20:07
originally
20:08
offered
20:08
to
20:08
a
20:08
young
20:08
actor
20:09
who
20:09
wowed
20:10
the
20:10
producers,
20:11
Leonardo
20:12
DiCaprio.
20:13
DiCaprio
20:14
declined
20:14
the
20:14
role
20:15
to
20:15
instead
20:15
film
20:16
What's
20:16
Eating
20:17
Gilbert
20:17
Grape,
20:18
a
20:18
performance
20:18
that
20:18
would
20:19
get
20:19
him
20:19
his
20:19
first
20:20
Oscar
20:20
nomination
20:21
at
20:21
just
20:21
20
20:22
years
20:22
old,
20:23
which
20:23
is
20:23
potentially
20:24
something
20:24
that
20:24
hocus
20:25
Pocus
20:25
could
20:25
never
20:26
have
20:26
given
20:26
him.
20:27
Hiring
20:28
a
20:28
bunch
20:28
of
20:28
actors
20:29
who
20:29
could
20:29
do
20:29
comedy
20:30
and
20:30
actors
20:31
who
20:31
could
20:31
give
20:31
each
20:31
character
20:32
a
20:32
bit
20:32
of
20:32
nuance
20:33
meant
20:34
the
20:34
script
20:34
was
20:34
updated
20:35
to
20:35
include
20:36
more
20:36
physical
20:36
comedy.
20:37
Bette
20:38
Midler
20:38
was
20:38
dedicated
20:39
to
20:39
using
20:39
period
20:40
accurate
20:40
curse
20:41
words.
20:41
She
20:42
also
20:42
had
20:42
a
20:42
say
20:42
in
20:43
what
20:43
she
20:43
wore.
20:43
Not
20:44
wanting
20:44
to
20:44
go
20:44
for
20:45
the
20:45
traditional
20:46
all
20:46
black
20:46
witches
20:47
gal
20:47
with
20:47
a
20:47
black
20:48
hat,
20:48
and
20:49
the
20:49
costumes
20:49
here
20:50
are
20:50
down
20:50
to
20:50
Hollywood
20:51
costume
20:51
designer
20:51
Mary
20:52
Vogt.
20:53
Vogt
20:53
worked
20:54
with
20:54
Kenny
20:54
Ortega,
20:55
who,
20:55
unlike
20:56
other
20:56
directors,
20:57
wanted
20:57
the
20:58
weird
20:58
and
20:58
the
20:58
outrageous.
20:59
Taking
21:00
inspiration
21:00
from
21:01
storybook
21:01
illustrator
21:02
Arthur
21:02
Rackham,
21:03
Spanish
21:04
artist
21:04
Goya
21:04
and
21:05
his
21:05
series
21:05
Los
21:06
Capricos
21:07
and
21:07
Fairy
21:07
Tales,
21:08
Vogt
21:09
worked
21:09
with
21:09
each
21:09
of
21:09
the
21:10
main
21:10
three
21:10
actors
21:11
to
21:11
build
21:11
their
21:11
costumes.
21:12
Bette
21:13
Midler
21:13
had
21:13
already
21:13
started
21:14
to
21:14
have
21:14
red
21:14
hair,
21:15
and
21:15
so
21:15
Vogt
21:16
suggested
21:16
she
21:16
wear
21:17
green
21:17
with
21:17
a
21:17
purple
21:18
accent,
21:19
along
21:19
with
21:19
symbols
21:20
on
21:20
her
21:20
robe
21:21
from
21:21
the
21:21
rune
21:21
alphabet
21:22
and
21:22
Stonehenge.
21:23
Sarah
21:24
Jessica
21:24
Parker,
21:25
with
21:25
her
21:25
trademark
21:26
long
21:26
blonde
21:26
hair,
21:27
looked
21:27
like
21:28
a
21:28
Disney
21:28
princess.
21:29
And
21:29
so
21:29
Vogt
21:30
designed
21:30
her
21:30
dress
21:31
in
21:31
line
21:31
with
21:31
Sleeping
21:32
Beauty.
21:33
And
21:33
Kathy
21:33
Najimy,
21:34
with
21:34
her
21:34
dark
21:34
hair
21:35
and
21:35
generally
21:36
tasked
21:36
with
21:36
mixing
21:37
the
21:37
potions,
21:38
was
21:38
designed
21:39
as
21:39
a
21:39
witch
21:39
banker.
21:41
But
21:41
unlike
21:41
the
21:41
specially
21:42
designed
21:42
costumes
21:43
for
21:43
the
21:43
witches,
21:44
most
21:44
of
21:45
the
21:45
Halloween
21:45
party
21:46
scene
21:46
costumes
21:47
were
21:47
from
21:47
the
21:47
Walt
21:48
Disney
21:48
costume
21:48
department,
21:49
because
21:49
by
21:50
that
21:50
point,
21:50
the
21:50
movie
21:51
had
21:51
run
21:51
out
21:51
of
21:51
money
21:52
and
21:52
just
21:52
needed
21:53
any
21:53
costume
21:53
available,
21:54
which
21:55
is
21:55
why
21:55
the
21:56
Supremes
21:56
appear
21:57
at
21:57
the
21:57
party.
21:58
It
21:58
was
21:58
also
21:58
useful
21:59
because
21:59
it
21:59
was
21:59
a
21:59
Disney
22:00
movie.
22:00
There
22:01
was
22:01
no
22:01
need
22:01
to
22:02
worry
22:02
about
22:02
rights
22:03
to
22:03
costumes
22:03
or
22:04
characters.
22:05
For
22:05
some
22:05
time
22:06
after
22:06
Hocus
22:07
Pocus
22:07
initial
22:08
release,
22:09
you
22:09
could
22:09
rent
22:09
out
22:10
the
22:10
actual
22:10
costumes
22:11
worn
22:12
by
22:12
Bette
22:12
Midler,
22:13
Sarah
22:13
Jessica
22:14
Parker,
22:14
and
22:14
Kathy
22:14
Najimy.
22:15
But
22:15
then
22:16
the
22:16
movie
22:16
grew
22:16
in
22:16
popularity
22:17
and
22:18
this
22:18
practice
22:19
quickly
22:19
stopped.
22:21
Billy
22:21
Butcherson
22:22
was
22:22
based
22:22
on
22:22
Vogt's
22:23
childhood
22:23
storybook
22:24
drawings
22:24
of
22:25
Ichabod
22:25
Crane,
22:26
and
22:26
he
22:27
would
22:27
iconically
22:27
be
22:28
played
22:28
by
22:28
Doug
22:29
Jones.
22:30
Jones
22:30
would
22:31
have
22:31
one
22:31
single
22:32
foam
22:32
latex
22:32
prosthetic
22:33
on
22:33
his
22:34
face
22:34
and
22:34
neck.
22:35
It
22:35
was
22:35
so
22:35
thin
22:36
and
22:36
delicate,
22:36
it
22:37
needed
22:37
two
22:37
makeup
22:38
artists
22:38
to
22:38
apply
22:38
it
22:39
every
22:39
day.
22:39
With
22:40
his
22:40
mouth
22:40
stitches
22:41
glued
22:41
into
22:42
the
22:42
facial
22:42
prosthetic
22:44
between
22:44
shots.
22:45
The
22:45
stitches
22:46
were
22:46
disconnected
22:47
so
22:47
Jones
22:47
could
22:47
eat,
22:48
drink
22:48
and
22:48
talk.
22:49
He
22:49
also
22:50
wore
22:50
foam
22:50
latex
22:51
gloves
22:51
which
22:52
allowed
22:52
additional
22:52
length
22:53
to
22:53
his
22:53
fingertips,
22:54
which
22:54
were
22:54
sculpted
22:55
with
22:55
long
22:55
nails.
22:56
As
22:56
well
22:56
as
22:57
wearing
22:57
a
22:57
spandex
22:58
suit
22:58
and
22:58
his
22:58
costume
22:59
with
22:59
visible
23:00
zombie
23:00
arms
23:01
and
23:01
legs.
23:02
They
23:02
also
23:02
cast
23:03
his
23:03
teeth
23:03
so
23:04
they
23:04
could
23:04
build
23:04
a
23:04
special
23:05
rig
23:05
inside
23:06
his
23:06
mouth
23:06
to
23:07
house
23:07
moths
23:08
and
23:08
dust.
23:09
His
23:09
pre
23:10
cut
23:10
mouth
23:11
stitches
23:11
would
23:11
be
23:11
sliced
23:12
open
23:12
by
23:12
Jones
23:13
with
23:13
a
23:13
blunt
23:13
knife
23:14
across
23:14
his
23:14
mouth.
23:15
Open
23:15
his
23:16
mouth
23:16
up
23:16
and
23:16
cough
23:17
up
23:17
some
23:17
dust
23:18
and
23:18
live
23:18
moths.
23:19
The
23:19
mouth
23:20
rig
23:20
was
23:20
essentially
23:21
a
23:21
latex
23:22
pocket
23:22
attached
23:23
between
23:23
upper
23:23
and
23:24
lower
23:24
dentures,
23:25
which
23:25
completely
23:25
blocked
23:26
his
23:26
throat
23:27
with
23:27
a
23:27
small
23:28
hole
23:28
at
23:28
the
23:28
back
23:28
so
23:29
he
23:29
could
23:29
puff
23:29
air
23:29
through
23:30
it.
23:30
The
23:31
animal
23:31
wrangler
23:31
would
23:32
place
23:32
several
23:32
live
23:33
moths
23:33
in
23:33
the
23:33
pocket
23:34
with
23:34
tweezers
23:35
under
23:35
the
23:35
supervision
23:36
of
23:36
a
23:36
representative
23:37
from
23:37
the
23:37
Humane
23:38
Society.
23:39
And
23:39
then
23:39
the
23:39
stitches
23:40
were
23:40
glued
23:40
shut.
23:41
And
23:42
this
23:42
whole
23:42
process
23:43
took
23:43
a
23:43
few
23:44
takes
23:44
for
23:44
Doug
23:44
Jones
23:45
to
23:45
get
23:45
right.
23:46
But
23:46
the
23:46
finished
23:47
article
23:47
is
23:48
so
23:48
authentically
23:49
brilliant
23:49
because
23:49
they
23:50
are
23:50
genuine
23:50
live
23:51
moths
23:51
coming
23:51
out
23:52
of
23:52
his
23:52
mouth.
23:53
A
23:53
bit
23:53
like
23:53
a
23:54
couple
23:54
of
23:54
episodes
23:54
ago,
23:55
I
23:55
was
23:55
talking
23:55
about
23:55
Tony
23:56
Todd
23:56
and
23:57
the
23:57
bees
23:57
in
23:57
Candyman.
23:58
This
23:59
is
23:59
A
23:59
very
23:59
similar
23:59
thing,
24:00
Although
24:01
there
24:01
was
24:01
no
24:01
fear
24:01
of
24:02
Doug
24:02
Jones
24:02
getting
24:02
stung
24:03
by
24:03
moths.
24:05
More
24:05
was
24:05
actually
24:05
shot
24:06
of
24:07
the
24:07
witches
24:07
together
24:08
getting
24:08
up
24:08
to
24:08
various
24:09
acts
24:09
of
24:09
mischief.
24:10
And
24:10
many
24:11
of
24:11
these
24:11
scenes
24:11
ended
24:12
up
24:12
in
24:12
the
24:12
early
24:13
trailers.
24:13
But
24:14
when
24:14
it
24:14
came
24:14
to
24:14
putting
24:15
the
24:15
film
24:15
together,
24:16
it
24:16
was
24:16
deciding
24:17
to
24:17
focus
24:17
more
24:18
on
24:18
the
24:18
children
24:18
characters
24:19
and
24:20
Binx
24:20
the
24:20
cat
24:21
than
24:21
the
24:21
witches.
24:22
Speaking
24:23
of
24:23
Binx,
24:24
he
24:24
was
24:24
a
24:25
mix
24:25
of
24:25
real
24:25
cats,
24:26
animatronics
24:27
and
24:27
very
24:28
early
24:28
cgi.
24:29
The
24:29
crew
24:30
at
24:30
Alterion,
24:31
a
24:31
Los
24:31
Angeles
24:32
based
24:32
special
24:32
effects
24:33
studio,
24:33
built
24:34
the
24:34
animatronic
24:35
Binx.
24:35
In
24:36
addition
24:36
to
24:36
the
24:36
hero
24:37
Animatronic
24:37
Binx,
24:38
there
24:38
were
24:39
floppy
24:39
cats,
24:40
posable
24:40
standing
24:41
cats,
24:41
and
24:41
inflatable
24:42
versions
24:43
of
24:43
Binx.
24:44
Rhythm
24:44
and
24:44
Hues
24:45
Studion
24:45
created
24:46
the
24:46
CGI
24:47
version
24:47
of
24:47
Binx
24:48
and
24:48
ensured
24:48
his
24:49
facial
24:49
features
24:50
would
24:50
resemble
24:50
a
24:50
real
24:51
cat.
24:51
They
24:52
went
24:52
to
24:52
great
24:52
lengths
24:53
to
24:53
make
24:53
him
24:53
realistic
24:54
with
24:55
sharp
24:55
fangs
24:56
to
24:56
make
24:56
his
24:56
feline
24:57
features
24:57
look
24:58
real.
24:59
However,
24:59
the
24:59
producers
25:00
felt
25:00
he
25:00
might
25:00
be
25:01
too
25:01
scary
25:01
for
25:01
young
25:02
audiences,
25:03
so
25:03
they
25:03
scaled
25:04
his
25:04
fangs
25:04
back
25:05
to
25:05
make
25:05
him
25:05
seem
25:06
friendlier.
25:07
The
25:07
same
25:07
animatronic
25:08
Binx
25:09
was
25:09
reused
25:09
for
25:09
the
25:10
TV
25:10
series
25:10
Sabrina
25:11
the
25:11
Teenage
25:12
Witch,
25:12
who
25:12
also
25:13
has
25:13
a
25:13
black
25:13
cat
25:14
called
25:14
Salem.
25:15
Salem,
25:16
who
25:16
was
25:16
also
25:17
played
25:17
by
25:17
real
25:17
cats,
25:18
was
25:18
the
25:18
only
25:19
character
25:19
other
25:20
than
25:20
Sabrina
25:20
herself
25:21
to
25:21
appear
25:22
in
25:22
all
25:22
163
25:23
episodes
25:24
of
25:24
Sabrina
25:25
the
25:25
Teenage
25:25
Witch.
25:26
Hocus
25:27
Pocus
25:27
is
25:27
the
25:28
first
25:28
time
25:29
a
25:29
CG
25:29
skeleton
25:30
was
25:30
applied
25:31
over
25:31
a
25:31
real
25:32
cat's
25:32
head
25:32
and
25:33
then
25:33
using
25:34
the
25:34
mouse
25:34
movement
25:35
to
25:35
mix
25:35
in
25:36
with
25:36
the
25:36
animatronics.
25:37
And
25:37
it
25:38
still
25:38
looks
25:38
really
25:39
fantastic
25:39
to
25:40
this
25:40
day.
25:41
Binx
25:41
the
25:41
cat
25:41
is
25:42
one
25:42
of
25:42
the
25:42
greatest
25:42
cat
25:43
characters
25:43
I
25:43
think
25:43
that's
25:44
ever
25:44
been
25:44
put
25:44
to
25:44
film
25:45
because
25:45
he
25:45
looks
25:46
so
25:46
realistic.
25:47
Of
25:47
the
25:47
real
25:48
cats
25:48
that
25:48
were
25:48
used
25:49
for
25:49
Binx,
25:49
there
25:50
were
25:50
many
25:50
different
25:51
cats,
25:51
but
25:52
they
25:52
all
25:52
did
25:52
different
25:53
things.
25:53
Some
25:53
cats
25:54
were
25:54
good
25:54
at
25:54
swiping,
25:55
some
25:55
cats
25:55
were
25:55
good
25:56
at
25:56
running,
25:56
some
25:57
cats
25:57
were
25:57
good
25:57
at
25:57
sitting
25:58
still.
25:58
And
25:59
so
25:59
different
25:59
cats
26:00
were
26:00
used
26:00
for
26:00
different
26:01
areas
26:01
of
26:01
the
26:02
movie.
26:03
Production
26:03
of
26:03
Hocus
26:04
pocus
26:04
began
26:04
on
26:05
12
26:05
October
26:06
1992,
26:07
and
26:07
while
26:08
the
26:08
movie
26:08
is
26:08
set
26:09
in
26:09
Salem,
26:10
much
26:10
of
26:10
the
26:10
interior
26:11
filming
26:12
actually
26:12
took
26:12
place
26:12
in
26:13
California.
26:14
But
26:14
some
26:14
of
26:15
the
26:15
most
26:15
iconic
26:16
settings
26:16
of
26:16
the
26:16
film
26:17
were
26:17
filmed
26:18
in
26:18
Salem
26:19
and
26:19
nearby
26:19
Marblehead.
26:20
The
26:21
opening
26:21
shots
26:21
of
26:22
1600
26:22
Salem
26:23
were
26:23
filmed
26:23
in
26:24
Pioneer
26:24
Village,
26:25
a
26:25
living
26:25
history
26:26
museum
26:26
built
26:27
in
26:27
1930
26:28
in
26:28
Forest
26:29
River
26:29
Park.
26:30
Tours
26:30
of
26:30
the
26:30
village
26:31
are
26:31
apparently
26:32
available
26:32
during
26:33
the
26:33
summer,
26:34
and
26:34
the
26:34
village
26:34
is
26:34
open
26:35
throughout
26:35
the
26:35
day
26:36
on
26:36
Saturdays
26:36
and
26:37
Sundays
26:37
through
26:37
the
26:38
month
26:38
of
26:38
October.
26:39
While
26:39
you
26:39
can
26:40
peek
26:40
inside
26:40
the
26:41
village's
26:41
houses,
26:42
none
26:42
of
26:42
them
26:42
were
26:43
used
26:43
for
26:43
the
26:43
interior
26:44
scenes
26:44
of
26:44
the
26:45
movie.
26:46
Max
26:46
and
26:46
Allison's
26:47
School
26:47
was
26:47
filmed
26:48
at
26:48
the
26:48
closed
26:48
Philips
26:49
Elementary
26:50
School
26:50
in
26:50
Washington
26:51
Square,
26:51
Salem.
26:52
The
26:52
school
26:52
closed
26:53
to
26:53
pupils
26:54
in
26:54
1992,
26:55
so
26:55
it
26:55
was
26:55
easily
26:56
available
26:56
for
26:57
filming.
26:57
It's
26:58
since
26:58
been
26:58
converted
26:59
into
26:59
apartments.
27:01
The
27:01
graveyard
27:02
near
27:02
Max's
27:02
home
27:03
where
27:03
he
27:03
gets
27:03
accosted
27:04
by
27:04
bullies
27:04
was
27:05
filmed
27:05
at
27:05
Old
27:06
Burial
27:06
Hill
27:06
in
27:07
Marblehead,
27:08
and
27:08
Max
27:08
and
27:08
Danny's
27:09
family
27:09
home
27:10
is
27:10
a
27:10
real
27:10
house
27:11
on
27:11
Ocean
27:12
Avenue,
27:12
Salem.
27:13
The
27:13
rest
27:14
of
27:14
the
27:14
interior
27:14
scenes
27:15
were
27:15
filmed
27:15
on
27:15
sound
27:16
stages
27:16
on
27:17
the
27:17
Disney
27:17
Studios
27:18
lot
27:18
in
27:18
Burbank,
27:19
California,
27:20
including
27:20
a
27:21
full
27:21
sized
27:21
house
27:22
with
27:22
a
27:22
working
27:23
water
27:23
wheel
27:23
and
27:24
a
27:24
graveyard
27:25
set
27:25
built
27:25
on
27:25
Soundstage
27:26
two,
27:27
where
27:27
the
27:27
production
27:28
designers
27:28
even
27:28
got
27:29
the
27:29
smells
27:29
right
27:30
using
27:30
foliage,
27:31
dry
27:31
leaves
27:32
and
27:32
mulch.
27:33
And
27:34
of
27:34
course,
27:34
the
27:34
Sanderson
27:35
Sisters
27:36
are
27:36
enduring
27:36
gay
27:37
icons.
27:38
They
27:38
are
27:38
theatrical,
27:39
campy,
27:40
witty,
27:41
fantastical,
27:42
dramatic
27:43
and
27:43
impeccably
27:44
dressed.
27:44
Midler
27:45
is
27:46
and
27:46
always
27:46
has
27:47
been
27:47
a
27:47
gay
27:47
icon.
27:48
Sarah
27:48
Jessica
27:49
Parker
27:49
is
27:50
Carrie
27:50
Bradshaw.
27:51
Sister
27:51
Act
27:52
also
27:52
has
27:53
its
27:53
own
27:53
queer
27:53
fans
27:54
who
27:54
know
27:54
of
27:55
Kathy
27:55
Najimy.
27:56
And
27:56
no
27:56
one
27:56
embraces
27:57
the
27:57
Sandersons
27:58
more
27:59
than
27:59
the
27:59
queer
27:59
community
28:00
and
28:00
the
28:01
drag
28:01
queens.
28:02
It's
28:02
just
28:03
a
28:03
bunch
28:03
of
28:03
Hocus
28:03
Pocus
28:04
is
28:04
the
28:04
longest
28:05
running
28:05
Hocus
28:06
Pocus
28:06
drag
28:06
tribute
28:07
show.
28:08
They
28:08
were
28:08
shut
28:08
down
28:09
by
28:09
the
28:09
fire
28:09
marshal
28:10
after
28:10
500
28:11
people
28:12
tried
28:12
to
28:12
attend
28:12
their
28:13
10
28:13
minute
28:13
bar
28:13
show
28:14
and
28:14
the
28:14
performance
28:15
ballooned
28:15
into
28:15
a
28:16
several
28:16
show
28:16
affair.
28:17
Now
28:18
it's
28:18
an
28:18
hour
28:18
long
28:19
production
28:19
with
28:19
sets
28:20
and
28:20
numbers
28:21
one
28:21
that
28:21
draws
28:22
at
28:22
least
28:22
2,000
28:23
visitors
28:24
annually.
28:25
Drag
28:25
performer
28:26
Ginger
28:26
Minj,
28:26
a
28:27
longtime
28:27
fan
28:27
of
28:28
the
28:28
film,
28:28
created
28:29
and
28:29
stars
28:30
in
28:30
Hocus
28:30
Pocus
28:31
Live,
28:31
a
28:32
theatrical
28:32
production
28:33
with
28:33
original
28:33
songs
28:34
and
28:34
performances
28:35
that
28:35
celebrates
28:36
the
28:36
Sanderson
28:36
Sisters.
28:37
Bette
28:38
Midler
28:38
has
28:38
even
28:39
given
28:39
her
28:39
blessing
28:40
for
28:40
the
28:40
show,
28:41
encouraging
28:41
Ginger
28:42
Minj
28:42
to
28:42
continue.
28:43
The
28:44
popularity
28:44
of
28:45
the
28:45
Sandersons
28:46
as
28:46
drag
28:46
inspiration
28:47
is
28:47
so
28:47
widespread
28:48
that
28:48
Hocus
28:49
Pocus
28:49
2
28:50
even
28:50
features
28:51
Ginger
28:51
Minj,
28:52
Kahmora
28:53
hall
28:53
and
28:53
Kornbread
28:54
as
28:54
Sanderson's
28:55
sister's
28:55
impersonators
28:56
in
28:57
the
28:57
film.
28:58
I'm
28:59
not
28:59
really
28:59
sure
28:59
how
29:00
I
29:00
can
29:00
segue
29:00
from
29:01
that
29:01
into
29:01
this.
29:02
There
29:02
is
29:03
literally
29:03
no
29:03
way.
29:04
But
29:04
it
29:04
is
29:05
time
29:05
for
29:06
the
29:06
obligatory
29:06
Keanu
29:07
reference
29:07
of
29:08
this
29:08
episode.
29:09
And
29:09
if
29:09
you're
29:09
new
29:10
here
29:10
and
29:10
you
29:10
don't
29:10
know
29:10
what
29:11
that
29:11
is,
29:11
it's
29:11
why
29:12
I
29:12
try
29:12
and
29:12
link
29:12
the
29:12
movie
29:13
that
29:13
I'm
29:13
featuring
29:13
with
29:13
Keanu
29:14
Reeves
29:15
for
29:15
no
29:15
reason
29:15
other
29:16
than
29:16
he
29:16
is
29:16
the
29:17
best
29:17
of
29:17
men
29:17
and
29:18
he
29:18
would
29:18
never
29:19
have
29:19
accused
29:19
the
29:19
Sanderson
29:20
Sisters
29:20
of
29:20
witchcraft.
29:21
And
29:22
this
29:22
is
29:22
a
29:22
really
29:22
fun
29:23
obligatory
29:24
Keanu
29:24
reference
29:25
actually,
29:25
because
29:26
the
29:26
reference
29:27
is
29:27
a
29:27
quote
29:28
from
29:28
a
29:29
movie
29:29
and
29:30
the
29:30
quote
29:30
is
29:31
she's
29:31
a
29:31
goddamn
29:32
witch.
29:33
She's
29:33
putting
29:33
spells
29:34
on
29:34
every
29:34
damn
29:35
body
29:35
in
29:35
town.
29:37
That
29:37
is
29:37
said
29:37
by
29:38
Keanu
29:38
Reeves
29:39
as
29:39
the
29:39
character
29:40
Donnie
29:40
Barksdale
29:41
in
29:42
the
29:42
Gift,
29:43
directed
29:43
by
29:44
Sam
29:44
Raimi.
29:45
It
29:45
is
29:45
a
29:45
movie
29:46
that
29:46
I
29:46
have
29:46
not
29:46
seen,
29:47
so
29:47
I
29:47
don't
29:47
know
29:48
if
29:48
there
29:48
are
29:48
actually
29:49
any
29:49
witches
29:49
in
29:50
that
29:50
movie,
29:51
but
29:51
it
29:51
is
29:51
directed
29:52
by
29:52
Sam
29:52
Raimi,
29:53
so
29:53
surely
29:53
there's
29:54
some
29:54
sort
29:54
of
29:54
spooky
29:55
connection.
29:56
Anyway,
29:57
I
29:57
thought
29:57
that
29:58
was
29:58
a
29:58
nice
29:58
little
29:58
reference
29:59
for
29:59
Keanu
30:00
to
30:00
be
30:00
mentioning
30:01
witches
30:01
and
30:02
spells.
30:03
You'll
30:04
remember
30:04
from
30:04
my
30:05
episode
30:05
of
30:05
Super
30:06
Mario
30:06
Bros.
30:07
That
30:07
the
30:07
song
30:08
Almost
30:08
Unreal
30:09
by
30:09
Swedish
30:09
pop
30:10
duo
30:10
Roxette
30:11
was
30:11
originally
30:12
meant
30:12
to
30:12
be
30:12
included
30:13
in
30:14
this
30:14
movie
30:15
soundtrack,
30:16
not
30:16
Super
30:16
Mario
30:17
Brothers.
30:18
It's
30:18
one
30:18
of
30:18
my
30:18
favorite
30:19
little
30:19
pieces
30:19
of
30:19
movie
30:20
trivia
30:20
in
30:21
that
30:21
a
30:21
band
30:21
can
30:22
try
30:22
and
30:22
get
30:22
a
30:23
song
30:23
in
30:23
a
30:23
movie
30:23
by
30:24
putting
30:24
the
30:24
title
30:24
of
30:25
the
30:25
movie
30:25
in
30:25
the
30:25
song,
30:26
and
30:26
yet
30:26
the
30:26
song
30:27
ends
30:27
up
30:27
in
30:27
a
30:27
completely
30:28
different
30:28
movie.
30:29
I
30:29
highly
30:29
rate
30:30
Super
30:30
Mario
30:30
Brothers,
30:31
by
30:31
the
30:31
way.
30:31
That
30:32
is
30:32
episode
30:32
261
30:33
of
30:34
this
30:34
podcast
30:35
James
30:35
Horner
30:36
was
30:36
originally
30:37
slated
30:37
to
30:38
score
30:38
Hocus
30:39
Pocus,
30:39
but
30:39
he
30:40
became
30:40
unavailable
30:41
at
30:41
the
30:41
last
30:41
minute.
30:42
David
30:43
Kirschner
30:43
then
30:43
suggested
30:44
John
30:44
Debney,
30:45
but
30:45
due
30:45
to
30:46
his
30:46
lack
30:46
of
30:46
experience
30:47
with
30:47
working
30:48
on
30:48
a
30:48
major
30:48
motion
30:49
picture,
30:49
Disney
30:50
turned
30:50
him
30:50
down.
30:51
But
30:51
it
30:51
was
30:52
thanks
30:52
to
30:52
Kirchner's
30:53
persistence
30:53
that
30:53
Debney
30:54
would
30:54
be
30:54
the
30:54
perfect
30:55
choice
30:56
that
30:56
he
30:56
was
30:56
finally
30:57
given
30:57
the
30:57
opportunity
30:58
to
30:58
be
30:58
the
30:58
composer.
30:59
He
30:59
created
31:00
and
31:00
produced
31:01
the
31:01
entire
31:01
score
31:02
for
31:02
Hocus
31:02
Pocus
31:03
in
31:03
two
31:03
weeks
31:04
and
31:04
later
31:04
went
31:05
on
31:05
to
31:05
win
31:06
a
31:06
New
31:06
Composer
31:07
Award.
31:08
James
31:08
Horner
31:09
would
31:09
come
31:10
back
31:10
to
31:10
write
31:11
Sarah's
31:11
Theme,
31:12
sung
31:12
by
31:12
Sarah
31:13
Jessica
31:13
Parker.
31:14
It's
31:14
more
31:14
commonly
31:15
known
31:15
as
31:15
Come
31:16
Little
31:16
Children,
31:17
allegedly
31:18
as
31:18
an
31:18
apology
31:19
to
31:19
Kirshner.
31:20
But
31:21
of
31:21
course,
31:21
despite
31:22
all
31:22
of
31:22
this,
31:23
the
31:23
release
31:23
of
31:24
this
31:24
movie
31:24
is
31:24
kind
31:25
of
31:25
where
31:25
this
31:25
movie
31:25
goes
31:26
a
31:26
little
31:26
bit
31:26
downhill.
31:27
But
31:28
it
31:28
doesn't
31:28
matter
31:29
when
31:29
your
31:29
movie
31:30
releases
31:30
if
31:31
no
31:31
one
31:31
knows
31:31
it's
31:32
coming.
31:32
And
31:33
the
31:33
marketing
31:33
campaign
31:34
for
31:34
Hocus
31:35
Pocus
31:35
was
31:36
almost
31:36
non
31:37
existent
31:37
except
31:38
for
31:38
a
31:38
set
31:38
visit
31:39
by
31:39
Entertainment
31:40
Tonight
31:40
and
31:41
the
31:41
three
31:41
Sanderson
31:42
sisters
31:43
appearing
31:43
individually
31:44
on
31:45
the
31:45
Today
31:45
show
31:45
with
31:46
Katie
31:46
Couric
31:47
to
31:47
support
31:47
the
31:47
film
31:48
the
31:48
week
31:48
it
31:48
came
31:49
out.
31:49
But
31:50
when
31:50
the
31:50
original
31:50
stars
31:51
of
31:51
this
31:51
movie,
31:52
Thora
31:53
Burch
31:53
and
31:53
Vinessa
31:54
Shaw,
31:54
were
31:55
asked
31:55
about
31:56
being
31:56
invited
31:57
to
31:57
a
31:57
premiere,
31:58
they
31:58
don't
31:59
actually
31:59
remember
32:00
being
32:00
invited
32:01
to
32:01
a
32:01
premiere,
32:01
or
32:02
indeed
32:02
the
32:02
movie
32:03
having
32:03
a
32:03
premiere
32:04
at
32:04
all.
32:05
There
32:05
was
32:05
a
32:05
sneak
32:06
peek
32:07
at
32:07
some
32:07
point
32:07
in
32:08
the
32:08
US
32:08
on
32:08
10
32:09
July
32:10
1993,
32:11
but
32:11
no
32:11
official
32:12
premiere
32:13
of
32:13
the
32:13
movie
32:13
that
32:14
I
32:14
can
32:14
find
32:14
any
32:15
information
32:15
on.
32:17
So
32:17
the
32:17
question
32:17
remains,
32:18
why
32:18
was
32:19
Hocus
32:19
Pocus
32:20
released
32:20
during
32:20
the
32:21
summer
32:21
of
32:21
1993
32:23
and
32:23
the
32:23
question
32:24
came
32:24
down
32:25
really,
32:25
to
32:25
who
32:25
was
32:26
more
32:26
important
32:26
to
32:27
Disney,
32:27
Tim
32:28
Burton
32:29
or
32:29
Bette
32:29
Midler?
32:31
Disney
32:31
were
32:32
working
32:32
on
32:32
another
32:32
Halloween
32:33
themed
32:33
project
32:34
in
32:34
1993,
32:36
Tim
32:36
Burton's
32:36
The
32:37
Nightmare
32:37
Before
32:37
Christmas,
32:38
and
32:38
Katzenberg
32:39
found
32:39
himself
32:40
in
32:40
the
32:40
awkward
32:41
position
32:41
of
32:41
having
32:42
to
32:42
choose
32:42
between
32:43
keeping
32:43
Bette
32:44
Midler
32:44
or
32:44
Tim
32:45
Burton
32:45
happy.
32:46
Disney
32:47
didn't
32:47
want
32:47
to
32:47
compete
32:48
with
32:48
itself,
32:49
and
32:49
ultimately
32:50
it
32:50
was
32:50
decided
32:50
that
32:51
the
32:51
Nightmare
32:51
Before
32:51
Christmas
32:52
could
32:52
work
32:53
as
32:53
either
32:53
a
32:53
Halloween
32:54
or
32:54
a
32:54
Christmas
32:55
movie.
32:56
So
32:56
it
32:56
made
32:56
sense
32:57
to
32:57
release
32:57
that
32:57
in
32:57
October.
32:59
Despite
32:59
David
33:00
Kirschner
33:00
lobbying
33:01
the
33:01
studio
33:01
for
33:01
an
33:01
October
33:02
release
33:02
of
33:03
Hocus
33:03
Pocus,
33:04
it
33:04
fell
33:04
on
33:04
deaf
33:05
ears.
33:06
Hocus
33:06
Pocus
33:07
was
33:07
released
33:07
during
33:08
the
33:08
summer
33:08
school
33:09
holidays
33:09
with
33:10
the
33:10
hope
33:10
it
33:10
would
33:11
still
33:11
be
33:11
around
33:12
by
33:12
October.
33:13
Kirchner
33:14
recalled
33:14
being
33:15
literally
33:15
in
33:15
tears
33:16
when
33:16
he
33:17
found
33:17
out
33:17
Hocus
33:17
Pocus
33:18
would
33:18
be
33:18
competing
33:19
with
33:20
Steven
33:20
Spielberg's
33:21
Jurassic
33:21
juggernaut.
33:23
And
33:24
when
33:24
it
33:24
was
33:24
released
33:25
on
33:25
16
33:26
July
33:26
1993,
33:27
it
33:28
was
33:28
a
33:28
crowded
33:29
summer
33:29
at
33:29
the
33:29
box
33:30
office.
33:30
The
33:31
firm
33:31
was
33:31
number
33:32
one,
33:32
in
33:33
the
33:33
Line
33:33
of
33:33
Fire
33:33
was
33:34
number
33:34
two,
33:34
and
33:35
Jurassic
33:35
park
33:36
was
33:36
third.
33:36
After
33:37
six
33:37
weeks
33:38
in
33:38
cinemas,
33:39
Hocus
33:39
Pocus
33:40
opened
33:40
at
33:40
fourth.
33:41
It
33:42
also
33:42
came
33:42
out
33:42
the
33:42
same
33:43
week
33:43
as
33:43
Free
33:43
Willy,
33:44
which
33:44
opened
33:45
at
33:45
fifth,
33:45
and
33:46
both
33:46
were
33:46
competing
33:47
for
33:47
that
33:47
lucrative
33:48
family
33:48
market.
33:50
Free
33:50
Willy
33:50
would
33:50
do
33:51
better.
33:51
Jumping
33:52
in
33:52
its
33:52
second
33:52
week,
33:53
literally
33:53
Free
33:53
Willy
33:54
jumping
33:55
with
33:55
Hocus
33:56
Pocus,
33:56
then
33:57
Moving
33:57
down
33:57
to
33:57
eight,
33:58
Hocus
33:58
Pocus
33:59
would
33:59
be
33:59
out
33:59
of
34:00
the
34:00
top
34:00
10
34:00
by
34:00
its
34:01
third
34:01
week.
34:02
Bette
34:03
Midler
34:03
has
34:03
been
34:03
very
34:04
vocal
34:04
about
34:05
her
34:05
own
34:05
love
34:05
for
34:05
Hocus
34:06
Pocus,
34:06
repeatedly
34:07
calling
34:08
Winifred
34:08
one
34:08
of
34:09
her
34:09
favorite
34:09
roles
34:10
in
34:10
her
34:10
extensive
34:11
career.
34:12
But
34:12
in
34:12
the
34:12
immediate
34:13
aftermath
34:13
of
34:13
the
34:14
movie
34:14
hitting
34:14
cinemas,
34:15
it
34:15
may
34:16
have
34:16
been
34:16
a
34:16
slightly
34:16
different
34:17
story
34:17
because
34:18
reportedly
34:19
after
34:19
the
34:19
lukewarm
34:20
reception
34:20
to
34:20
its
34:20
initial
34:21
release,
34:22
Midler
34:22
wasn't
34:23
very
34:23
happy
34:23
with
34:23
the
34:24
bad
34:24
reviews.
34:25
But
34:25
as
34:25
time
34:26
progressed,
34:27
the
34:27
critical
34:27
reaction
34:28
to
34:28
the
34:28
movie
34:28
improved.
34:29
People
34:29
were
34:29
starting
34:30
to
34:30
see
34:30
it
34:30
at
34:31
Halloween,
34:31
and
34:32
maybe
34:32
Midler
34:33
now
34:33
sees
34:33
the
34:34
love
34:34
people
34:34
have
34:34
for
34:34
the
34:35
movie
34:35
and
34:36
for
34:36
Winifred
34:36
Sanderson.
34:38
The
34:38
whole
34:38
cast
34:39
was
34:39
pretty
34:39
disappointed
34:40
by
34:40
the
34:40
movie
34:40
not
34:40
doing
34:41
as
34:41
well
34:41
as
34:41
they
34:42
hoped,
34:43
but
34:43
the
34:43
tide
34:43
seemingly
34:44
started
34:44
to
34:44
turn
34:45
after
34:45
it
34:46
started
34:46
being
34:46
broadcast
34:47
on
34:47
ABC
34:48
and
34:48
the
34:48
Disney
34:49
channel
34:49
in
34:49
the
34:49
US
34:50
in
34:50
the
34:50
late
34:50
90s.
34:51
It
34:51
then
34:51
got
34:52
a
34:52
DVD
34:52
release
34:53
in
34:53
2002,
34:54
which
34:55
sped
34:55
up
34:55
in
34:55
sales
34:56
in
34:56
2008.
34:58
Every
34:58
October
34:59
since
34:59
2011,
35:00
the
35:00
movie
35:01
has
35:01
made
35:01
more
35:01
than
35:02
$1
35:02
billion
35:03
in
35:03
DVD
35:04
sales.
35:05
That's
35:05
$1
35:05
million
35:06
every
35:06
year.
35:07
Hocus
35:07
Pocus
35:08
is
35:08
a
35:08
staple
35:09
of
35:09
three
35:09
forms,
35:10
31
35:11
nights
35:11
of
35:11
Halloween
35:12
programming,
35:12
and
35:13
the
35:13
kids
35:13
who
35:13
grew
35:14
up
35:14
with
35:14
it
35:14
in
35:14
the
35:14
90s
35:15
are
35:15
now
35:16
parents
35:16
themselves
35:17
and
35:17
sharing
35:18
the
35:18
movie
35:18
with
35:18
their
35:19
own
35:19
children.
35:20
On
35:20
its
35:21
$28
35:21
million
35:22
budget,
35:23
Hocus
35:23
Pocus
35:24
would
35:24
gross
35:24
$39.5
35:25
million
35:26
worldwide.
35:27
However,
35:28
the
35:28
movie
35:28
has
35:28
been
35:29
re
35:29
released
35:29
multiple
35:30
times,
35:30
including
35:31
for
35:31
its
35:31
30th
35:32
anniversary
35:33
in
35:33
2023.
35:34
But
35:35
of
35:35
course
35:35
those
35:35
numbers
35:36
don't
35:36
include
35:36
DVD
35:37
sales,
35:37
nor
35:38
do
35:38
they
35:38
include
35:39
any
35:39
viewing
35:39
figures
35:40
for
35:40
its
35:40
various
35:41
TV
35:41
or
35:42
Disney
35:42
releases.
35:44
Critically,
35:45
it
35:45
sits
35:45
at
35:45
41%
35:46
of
35:46
Rotten
35:47
Tomatoes,
35:48
with
35:48
a
35:48
critics
35:48
consensus
35:49
saying
35:50
harmlessly
35:50
hokey
35:51
yet
35:51
never
35:52
much
35:52
more
35:52
than
35:52
mediocre,
35:53
Hocus
35:54
Pocus
35:54
is
35:54
a
35:55
muddled,
35:55
family
35:56
friendly
35:56
effort
35:57
that
35:57
fails
35:57
to
35:57
live
35:58
up
35:58
to
35:58
the
35:58
talents
35:58
of
35:59
its
35:59
impressive
35:59
cast,
36:00
and
36:01
the
36:01
first
36:01
rumblings
36:02
of
36:02
Hocus
36:03
Pocus
36:03
2
36:03
didn't
36:04
surface
36:04
until
36:05
the
36:05
early
36:05
2010s
36:07
coinciding
36:07
with
36:07
the
36:08
20th
36:08
anniversary.
36:09
But
36:09
even
36:10
then
36:10
Disney
36:11
were
36:11
unsure
36:12
whether
36:12
or
36:12
not
36:12
they'd
36:13
even
36:13
wanted
36:13
it.
36:14
When
36:15
David
36:15
Kirshner
36:16
and
36:16
his
36:16
writing
36:16
partner
36:17
first
36:17
pitched
36:18
the
36:18
sequel
36:18
to
36:18
Disney's
36:19
feature
36:19
film
36:19
division,
36:20
Disney
36:21
declined
36:22
it
36:22
after
36:22
sitting
36:23
on
36:23
it
36:23
for
36:23
six
36:23
months.
36:24
Kirschner
36:25
was
36:25
determined
36:26
though
36:26
and
36:26
asked
36:27
for
36:27
permission
36:27
to
36:27
pitch
36:28
the
36:28
movie
36:28
elsewhere.
36:29
Disney
36:30
agreed
36:30
and
36:30
Freeform
36:31
Worldwide,
36:32
a
36:32
Disney
36:32
subsidiary,
36:33
agreed
36:34
to
36:34
make
36:34
it,
36:35
but
36:35
after
36:35
four
36:35
or
36:36
five
36:36
months
36:36
in
36:36
development
36:37
at
36:37
Freeform,
36:38
Disney
36:39
Channel
36:39
took
36:39
over
36:39
the
36:40
project
36:40
and
36:40
it
36:41
eventually
36:41
would
36:41
land
36:42
at
36:42
Disney
36:42
plus.
36:44
The
36:44
original
36:44
idea
36:45
for
36:45
a
36:45
sequel
36:46
continued
36:47
the
36:47
story
36:47
with
36:47
Salem's
36:48
next
36:48
generation
36:49
of
36:49
teens,
36:50
including
36:50
Max
36:50
and
36:51
Alison's
36:52
17
36:52
year
36:52
old
36:53
daughter
36:53
Poppy,
36:54
who
36:54
has
36:54
her
36:55
own
36:55
encounter
36:55
with
36:55
the
36:56
Sanderson
36:56
sisters.
36:57
And
36:57
this
36:57
was
36:58
the
36:58
plot
36:58
when
36:58
it
36:58
was
36:58
announced
36:59
as
36:59
a
36:59
free
36:59
form
37:00
TV
37:00
movie.
37:02
But
37:02
obviously
37:03
that's
37:03
not
37:03
the
37:03
movie
37:04
we
37:04
ended
37:04
up
37:04
with,
37:05
and
37:05
while
37:05
Vanessa
37:06
Shaw,
37:06
Thora
37:07
Birch
37:07
and
37:07
Omri
37:07
Katz
37:08
had
37:08
all
37:08
previously
37:09
expressed
37:09
interest
37:10
in
37:10
returning
37:10
for
37:11
a
37:11
sequel,
37:11
the
37:12
only
37:12
returning
37:13
stars
37:13
in
37:14
Hocus
37:14
Pocus
37:14
2
37:15
are
37:15
Bette
37:15
Midler,
37:16
Sarah
37:17
Jessica
37:17
Parker
37:18
and
37:18
Kathy
37:18
Njimmy
37:19
as
37:19
the
37:19
three
37:19
Sanderson
37:20
sisters
37:20
and
37:21
Doug
37:21
Jones
37:21
as
37:22
Billy
37:22
Butcherson.
37:23
Hocus
37:24
Pocus
37:24
2
37:24
was
37:25
released
37:25
on
37:25
30
37:26
September
37:27
2022
37:28
on
37:28
Disney
37:29
and
37:29
it
37:29
made
37:30
its
37:30
broadcast
37:30
TV
37:31
debut
37:31
on
37:31
6
37:32
October
37:33
2024
37:34
as
37:34
part
37:34
of
37:35
Freeform's
37:36
31
37:36
Nights
37:36
of
37:37
Halloween
37:37
lineup.
37:38
A
37:38
second
37:39
sequel
37:39
is
37:39
currently
37:40
in
37:40
production,
37:42
but
37:42
fundamentally
37:43
the
37:43
conclusion
37:44
of
37:44
this
37:44
story
37:45
is
37:45
that
37:45
over
37:45
three
37:46
decades
37:46
later,
37:47
the
37:47
people
37:47
involved
37:48
in
37:48
Hocus
37:49
Pocus
37:49
love
37:50
it
37:50
as
37:50
much
37:50
as
37:50
the
37:51
fans
37:51
do,
37:51
and
37:52
the
37:52
fans
37:52
really,
37:53
really
37:53
love
37:53
it.
37:54
It's
37:54
remarkable
37:55
that
37:55
a
37:55
movie
37:56
can
37:56
find
37:56
a
37:56
new
37:56
audience
37:57
and
37:57
become
37:57
a
37:57
fan
37:58
favorite
37:59
decades
37:59
after
37:59
those
38:00
first
38:00
fans
38:01
like
38:01
me
38:02
really
38:02
loved
38:02
it,
38:03
and
38:03
it's
38:03
been
38:04
fueled
38:04
by
38:04
many
38:04
things
38:05
nostalgic
38:06
reminiscing
38:07
Halloween
38:08
becoming
38:08
more
38:08
of
38:08
an
38:09
international
38:09
holiday,
38:10
and,
38:10
of
38:10
course,
38:11
the
38:11
queerness
38:12
of
38:12
it
38:12
all.
38:13
I
38:13
watched
38:14
this
38:14
movie
38:14
all
38:14
the
38:14
time
38:15
as
38:15
a
38:15
kid,
38:15
so
38:15
to
38:16
me,
38:16
this
38:16
was
38:17
always
38:17
a
38:17
Halloween
38:17
movie,
38:18
and
38:18
I
38:18
had
38:19
no
38:19
idea
38:19
it
38:20
wasn't
38:20
a
38:20
big
38:21
hit.
38:21
I'll
38:22
admit
38:22
my
38:22
fondness
38:23
for
38:23
it
38:23
over
38:23
time
38:24
has
38:24
subsided
38:24
a
38:25
little,
38:25
but
38:25
I
38:26
respect
38:26
the
38:26
hell
38:26
out
38:27
of
38:27
anything
38:27
that
38:27
can
38:27
find
38:28
an
38:28
audience
38:28
over
38:29
time
38:29
and
38:29
anything
38:30
that
38:30
can
38:30
bring
38:30
quite
38:31
this
38:31
much
38:31
joy
38:32
to
38:32
Halloween.
38:33
Bette
38:34
Midler's
38:34
performance
38:34
of
38:35
I
38:35
Put
38:35
a
38:35
spell
38:35
on
38:35
you
38:36
is
38:36
legendary
38:37
and
38:37
well
38:38
worth
38:38
a
38:38
rewatch
38:39
on
38:39
YouTube.
38:40
In
38:41
2018,
38:41
Disney
38:42
and
38:42
Free
38:42
Fall
38:43
hosted
38:44
a
38:44
25th
38:45
anniversary
38:45
celebration
38:46
for
38:46
Hocus
38:47
Pocus,
38:47
bringing
38:48
together
38:48
fans,
38:49
cast
38:50
members,
38:50
and
38:50
celebrities
38:51
of
38:51
the
38:51
Hollywood
38:51
Forever
38:52
cemetery
38:53
to
38:53
celebrate
38:54
the
38:54
impact
38:54
of
38:55
the
38:55
movie.
38:55
The
38:56
event
38:56
featured
38:57
musical
38:57
performances
38:58
of
38:58
I
38:58
put
38:58
a
38:58
spell
38:59
on
38:59
you
38:59
and
38:59
Come
39:00
little
39:00
Children
39:01
and
39:01
a
39:01
costume
39:02
contest.
39:03
And
39:03
it's
39:03
even
39:03
more
39:04
incredible,
39:04
really,
39:04
when
39:05
you
39:05
realize
39:05
that
39:05
there
39:06
is
39:06
a
39:06
dark
39:06
heart
39:07
to
39:07
Hocus
39:07
Pocus.
39:08
Some
39:09
of
39:09
the
39:09
best
39:09
family
39:09
movies
39:10
do
39:10
have
39:10
them.
39:11
This
39:11
is
39:12
a
39:12
movie
39:12
that
39:12
shows
39:13
hanging,
39:13
shows
39:14
witches
39:14
sucking
39:15
the
39:15
life
39:15
force
39:15
from
39:16
children,
39:16
effectively
39:17
killing
39:18
children.
39:18
But
39:19
it
39:19
also
39:19
shows
39:19
a
39:19
part
39:20
of
39:20
history
39:20
that
39:20
has
39:21
become
39:21
sanitized.
39:22
Women
39:22
being
39:23
accused
39:23
of
39:23
witchcraft
39:24
was
39:24
another
39:25
way
39:25
to
39:25
subjugate
39:26
women.
39:26
And
39:27
these
39:27
sisters,
39:28
all
39:28
unmarried,
39:29
were
39:29
likely
39:29
already
39:30
on
39:30
the
39:30
fringes
39:30
of
39:31
society
39:31
before
39:31
witchcraft
39:32
was
39:32
even
39:32
considered.
39:33
The
39:34
irony
39:34
of
39:34
all
39:35
of
39:35
this,
39:35
of
39:35
course,
39:35
is
39:35
that
39:36
the
39:36
original
39:36
Salem
39:37
witches
39:38
didn't
39:38
actually
39:38
do
39:39
any
39:39
witchcraft
39:40
at
39:40
all.
39:40
They
39:41
were
39:41
just
39:41
accused
39:41
of
39:42
it.
39:42
300
39:43
years
39:43
have
39:43
passed,
39:44
and
39:44
while
39:44
we're
39:45
not
39:45
being
39:45
accused
39:45
of
39:45
witchcraft,
39:46
the
39:47
same
39:47
societal
39:47
expectations
39:48
are
39:48
still
39:49
there.
39:49
I
39:49
bet
39:50
the
39:50
Sanderson
39:50
sisters
39:51
feel
39:51
right
39:51
at
39:52
home
39:52
in
39:52
1993
39:53
Salem.
39:54
If
39:54
anything,
39:55
the
39:55
fact
39:55
that
39:55
they've
39:56
still
39:56
got
39:56
the
39:56
same
39:56
career
39:57
goals
39:57
they
39:57
had
39:58
300
39:58
years
39:58
ago
39:59
is
39:59
something
39:59
to
40:00
be
40:00
admired.
40:01
They
40:01
are
40:01
so
40:01
focused
40:02
on
40:02
killing
40:02
children
40:03
and
40:03
recapturing
40:04
their
40:04
youth
40:04
and
40:04
beauty
40:05
because
40:05
they
40:06
know
40:06
that
40:06
these
40:06
days,
40:07
that's
40:07
more
40:07
desired
40:08
than
40:08
it
40:08
ever
40:08
has
40:09
been.
40:09
Most
40:10
people
40:10
need
40:10
a
40:10
plastic
40:11
surgeon.
40:12
They
40:12
just
40:12
need
40:12
the
40:12
life
40:13
essence
40:13
of
40:13
a
40:13
child.
40:14
Comme
40:14
CI
40:15
comme
40:15
sa.
40:16
There's
40:17
also
40:17
the
40:17
virgin
40:17
of
40:18
it
40:18
all.
40:18
In
40:19
movies,
40:20
virgins
40:20
are
40:20
depicted
40:21
by
40:21
young
40:21
women,
40:22
and
40:22
it's
40:22
the
40:23
young
40:23
woman
40:23
who
40:23
has
40:24
to
40:24
be
40:24
sacrificed.
40:25
But
40:26
instead
40:26
of
40:26
having
40:26
Allison
40:27
or
40:27
Dani
40:28
light
40:28
the
40:28
candle,
40:29
the
40:29
movie
40:29
has
40:30
monks
40:30
do
40:31
the
40:31
deed.
40:32
Depictions
40:32
of
40:32
male
40:33
virginity
40:33
in
40:34
movies
40:34
and
40:34
TV
40:35
is
40:35
still
40:36
exceedingly
40:36
rare,
40:37
and
40:37
Hocus
40:38
Pocus
40:39
may
40:39
be
40:39
one
40:39
of
40:39
the
40:40
only
40:40
ones
40:41
aimed
40:41
at
40:41
a
40:41
young
40:41
audience
40:42
that
40:42
does
40:42
this,
40:43
that
40:43
doesn't
40:44
frame
40:44
it,
40:44
that
40:45
virginity
40:45
is
40:45
something
40:46
that
40:46
you
40:46
have
40:46
to
40:46
lose.
40:48
Max
40:48
is
40:48
allowed
40:49
to
40:49
display
40:49
traits
40:50
of
40:50
sensitivity
40:50
and
40:51
inexperience.
40:52
His
40:52
virginity
40:53
isn't
40:53
played
40:53
as
40:54
a
40:54
shameful
40:54
thing.
40:55
It's
40:55
not
40:55
something
40:56
he's
40:56
fighting
40:56
to
40:56
rid
40:57
himself
40:57
of
40:58
like
40:58
American
40:59
Pie.
41:00
But
41:00
it
41:00
is
41:00
so
41:00
very
41:01
90s
41:01
in
41:01
that
41:02
virginity
41:02
is
41:02
something
41:03
that
41:03
can
41:03
do
41:04
something,
41:05
because
41:05
virginity
41:06
is
41:06
a
41:06
social
41:06
construct,
41:07
and
41:07
this
41:08
idea
41:08
of
41:08
purity
41:09
has
41:09
always
41:10
been
41:10
something
41:11
that
41:11
has
41:11
been
41:11
used
41:11
to
41:12
subjugate
41:12
women.
41:14
One
41:14
of
41:14
the
41:14
things
41:14
I
41:14
really
41:15
love
41:15
about
41:15
this
41:15
movie
41:16
is
41:16
the
41:16
familial
41:17
relationships
41:18
that
41:18
are
41:18
at
41:18
the
41:18
core
41:19
between
41:19
a
41:20
brother
41:20
and
41:20
a
41:20
sister
41:21
team.
41:21
Except
41:22
these
41:22
brother
41:22
and
41:22
sister
41:22
Teams
41:23
are
41:23
300
41:24
years
41:24
apart.
41:25
Thackery
41:25
Binx
41:26
couldn't
41:26
save
41:27
his
41:27
sister
41:27
Emily,
41:28
but
41:28
Max
41:29
can
41:29
save
41:30
Dani,
41:30
and
41:31
he
41:31
sacrifices
41:32
himself,
41:32
or
41:32
at
41:33
least
41:33
attempts
41:33
to,
41:34
so
41:34
Danny
41:34
doesn't
41:35
suffer
41:35
Emily's
41:36
fate.
41:36
And
41:37
it's
41:37
a
41:37
really
41:37
sweet
41:38
thing
41:38
to
41:38
see,
41:38
especially
41:39
in
41:39
a
41:39
movie
41:40
where
41:40
it's
41:40
very
41:40
clear
41:41
that
41:41
this
41:41
particular
41:41
brother
41:42
and
41:42
sister
41:43
don't
41:43
always
41:43
get
41:44
on.
41:44
But
41:44
fundamentally,
41:45
Max
41:46
loves
41:46
his
41:47
sister
41:47
and
41:47
Danny
41:48
loves
41:48
Max.
41:49
This
41:50
was
41:50
also
41:50
the
41:50
rare
41:51
family
41:51
move
41:51
that
41:52
featured
41:52
women
41:52
front
41:53
and
41:53
center,
41:53
as
41:54
well
41:54
as
41:54
women
41:55
of
41:55
different
41:55
ages,
41:56
different
41:56
body
41:57
types,
41:57
and
41:58
women
41:58
that
41:58
could
41:58
be
41:59
all
41:59
things
42:00
menacing,
42:01
sexy
42:01
and
42:01
funny,
42:02
but
42:02
also
42:03
the
42:04
power
42:04
and
42:04
loyalty
42:05
of
42:05
sisters
42:06
and
42:06
the
42:06
differences
42:07
between
42:07
sisters.
42:08
Their
42:08
bond
42:09
is
42:09
unbreakable
42:10
even
42:10
when
42:10
Winifred
42:11
is
42:11
annoyed
42:11
at
42:12
Mary's
42:12
idiocy
42:13
or
42:13
Sarah
42:14
having
42:14
an
42:14
affair
42:15
with
42:15
Billy
42:15
Butcherson.
42:16
Sisters
42:17
before
42:17
Misters
42:19
Women
42:19
don't
42:20
need
42:20
to
42:20
be
42:20
constantly
42:21
likable
42:21
in
42:21
our
42:22
media,
42:23
but
42:23
Mostly
42:23
whether
42:24
you're
42:24
30
42:24
or
42:25
300,
42:26
this
42:26
is
42:26
a
42:26
movie
42:27
about
42:27
never
42:27
conforming
42:28
and
42:28
never
42:29
fitting
42:29
in.
42:30
This
42:30
is
42:30
a
42:30
movie
42:31
about
42:31
embracing
42:31
who
42:32
you
42:32
are.
42:33
The
42:33
strange,
42:34
the
42:34
weird,
42:34
the
42:35
queer,
42:35
the
42:35
flamboyant.
42:36
And
42:37
if
42:37
you're
42:37
an
42:37
evil
42:37
witch,
42:38
well,
42:38
embrace
42:39
that
42:39
too.
42:40
Thank
42:41
you
42:41
for
42:41
listening.
42:41
As
42:42
always,
42:42
I
42:42
would
42:42
love
42:42
to
42:42
hear
42:42
your
42:43
thoughts
42:43
on
42:43
Hocus
42:44
Pocus.
42:44
And
42:45
thank
42:45
you
42:45
for
42:45
your
42:45
continued
42:46
support
42:46
of
42:46
this
42:47
podcast.
42:48
If
42:48
you
42:48
want
42:48
to
42:48
help
42:49
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42:49
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42:49
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42:49
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42:50
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42:50
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42:50
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42:51
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42:51
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42:52
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42:52
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42:52
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42:52
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42:53
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42:53
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42:53
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42:53
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42:53
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42:54
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42:55
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42:55
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42:55
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42:56
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42:56
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42:57
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42:58
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42:58
Erbaldiorama
42:59
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42:59
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43:00
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43:00
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43:00
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43:01
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43:01
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43:01
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43:02
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43:02
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43:02
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43:02
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43:02
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43:02
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43:03
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43:03
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43:03
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43:04
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43:04
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43:04
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43:05
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43:05
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43:05
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43:05
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43:06
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43:06
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43:07
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43:08
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43:09
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43:09
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43:09
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43:09
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43:10
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43:11
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43:11
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43:11
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43:13
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43:13
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43:13
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43:14
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43:14
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43:14
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43:15
I
43:15
actually
43:15
mentioned
43:16
him
43:16
a
43:16
little
43:16
bit
43:16
earlier
43:17
in
43:17
this
43:17
episode.
43:18
Sam
43:18
Raimi
43:19
is
43:19
well
43:19
known
43:20
nowadays
43:20
for
43:21
being
43:21
a
43:22
legendary
43:22
horror
43:22
director,
43:23
but
43:24
back
43:24
in
43:24
the
43:24
early
43:24
1980s
43:25
he
43:26
was
43:26
just
43:26
a
43:26
small
43:26
time
43:27
indie
43:28
horror
43:28
director
43:29
who
43:29
had
43:29
to
43:29
scrape
43:30
together
43:30
funds
43:31
and
43:31
an
43:31
inexperienced
43:32
crew
43:32
to
43:33
make
43:33
his
43:34
low
43:34
budget
43:35
second
43:35
feature.
43:36
That
43:36
movie
43:37
was
43:37
in
43:38
1981
43:39
and
43:39
it
43:39
was
43:39
called
43:39
the
43:40
Evil
43:40
Dead
43:41
and
43:41
it
43:41
was
43:41
a
43:41
movie
43:42
that
43:42
basically
43:43
spawned
43:43
Sam
43:44
Raimi's
43:44
career,
43:45
spawned
43:45
cult
43:46
favorite
43:46
Ash
43:47
Williams,
43:47
and
43:48
gave
43:48
us
43:48
the
43:48
legendary
43:49
Bruce
43:49
Campbell
43:50
along
43:50
with
43:51
some
43:51
incredible
43:52
gory
43:53
effects.
43:54
I'm
43:54
so
43:54
excited
43:55
to
43:55
be
43:55
talking
43:55
next
43:56
episode
43:56
about
43:57
the
43:58
evil
43:58
dead
43:58
from
43:58
1981.
43:59
So
43:59
please
44:00
join
44:00
me
44:00
next
44:00
episode
44:01
for
44:01
the
44:01
history
44:01
and
44:02
legacy
44:02
of
44:03
the
44:03
Evil
44:03
Dead.
44:04
If
44:05
you
44:05
enjoy
44:05
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44:05
I
44:05
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44:05
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44:06
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44:06
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44:06
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44:07
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44:07
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44:07
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44:07
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44:08
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44:08
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44:08
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44:09
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44:09
does
44:09
everything
44:10
on
44:10
her
44:10
own,
44:11
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44:11
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44:11
have
44:12
spare
44:12
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44:12
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44:13
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44:13
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44:13
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44:14
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44:14
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44:14
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44:15
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44:27
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45:42
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45:42
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45:42
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45:42
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45:45
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45:45
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45:45
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45:46
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45:46
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45:47
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45:47
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45:47
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45:48
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45:48
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45:48
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45:48
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45:48
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45:49
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45:49
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45:49
all
45:49
the
45:49
witches
45:50
working
45:50
I'm
45:51
the
45:51
best
45:52
and
45:52
finally
47:53
Bye.