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Hey there, everybody, it's Jeff. I wanted to let you know that
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we recorded this Opposition Territory podcast on Tuesday May seventh, twenty twenty four.
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By the time you hear this, some things may have changed here there,
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but we hope you enjoy the show. All right, folks, welcome to
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Opposition Territory here at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly
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Philly sports podcast show in the world. That's right, eleven years strong.
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We've got a great discussion. Come in your way, man. I gotta
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tell you the Cincinnati Bengals a fascinating team. Year after year, We've seen
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this team building itself up to competitiveness within the AFC, and unfortunately last year
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their star quarterback in Joe Burrow goes down kind of a rough up and down
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season for the Bengals in twenty twenty three. What does twenty twenty four mean
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this team as they're moving forward. We got a great discussion. We got
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a great guest coming your way. Let's get right to it. It is
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great to have back on the show on our Opposition Territory podcast this week to
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get into the Cincinnati Bengals. He is from A to Z sports covering the
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Cincinnati Bengals, and you can also hear and see him over at the Orange
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and Black Insider podcast that you can search out on YouTube. Great great friend
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of the show, mister John Sheer, And how you doing, Buddy.
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I'm doing well, Jeff. Thanks for thanks for bringing me back on.
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It's like a yearly tuition press exactly, exactly. Love talking Bengals with you.
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And you know, this is a team that I consistently find interesting in
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a lot of different ways, you know, being on the NFC side of
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things, following the Eagles on the AFC side of things. You know,
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the Bengals are a team that I always kind of root for in a way
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because like I always find or I have found them over the past few years,
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almost get into that echelon of like we're almost there, we're almost there,
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and then something happens, you know, it's like somebody kicks the you
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know, part of the chair from under the fans and the team. But
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I was hoping we could start our conversation here John by doing a little reflection
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on the Bengals twenty twenty three season. I mean, it was certainly an
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emotional roller coaster of a season, for the team and for the fan base.
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For sure. This is a team that certainly had high hopes getting back
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to the AFC Championship and that obviously didn't happen for a number of reasons.
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Seems like it may have been or maybe the end of an era, perhaps
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from things that I've been reading on the interwebs out there, How do you
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look at the twenty twenty three season and how does that translate into what might
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come this season for the Cincinnati Bengals. I mean, Jeff, you talk
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about high hopes, I am twenty seven years old. I've never seen many.
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I've never seen one person predict, like legitimately predict the Bengals will win
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the Super Bowl, right, And I saw a multitude of professionals in this
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industry do that very thing. It was a popular thing to do because,
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I mean, going back on back to back AFC Championship appearances, they went
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to a Super Bowl two years prior. It seemed like twenty twenty three was
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going to be that year to take that next step. And a lot of
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those predictions came a month after, you know, Joe Burrow suffered his cap
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strain and the entire season just kind of went on its head even before it
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got to August, right, So it was tough from the beginning. At
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the very least, they had experience of starting zero to two or starting slow
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out of the gate and kind of figuring things out. And of course a
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similar thing like that happened and back in twenty twenty three when Burrow, you
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know, finally got his caf right when October came around, and they looked
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like the machine that they were primed to be. But I think on top
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of just the Burrow injury as well, I don't think they had a particularly
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great offseason in terms of adding and replenishing the talent that they lost coming off
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of that twenty twenty two season. The loss of both safeties Jesse Bass and
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Von Bell were pretty detrimental in their plan for replacing those two guys, and
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it didn't end up being successful at all. They still had problems pushing the
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ball down the field and finding it explosive alternatives. Aside from Jamar Chase,
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they barely had anyone else aside from him who could even break tackles and give
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them more yards than what was just given in front of them, So they
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dealt with very similar problems that they ran into in twenty twenty two, after
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teams kind of figured out how to put a cap on just the go ball
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such mar Chase that worked so well a couple of years prior. So I
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don't think they I don't think they're planned for really building the roster was tremendously
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great in twenty twenty three. I think a lot of things out of the
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backfiring on them, and that lack of agency production and maybe a draft that
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had a couple of good pieces for the long term but didn't get as much
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immediate impact. That obviously factored in as well. But yeah, Burrow just
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never being himself in the beginning and only having like a handful of really healthy
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games before he went out with that risk injury. It really tanked everything.
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And when you talk about an end of an era, I kind of agreed
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to a sense that that year was the last year that that specific Super Bowl
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window was open with that core of players. I think players like Tyler Boyd
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and Joe Mixon leaving Tyler what I guess just signed with the Titans today.
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He did. Those those were veterans that were with the team even before Zach
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Taylor was there, and they've seen the highest the highest, and lows the
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lows, and they were really crucial with building the foundation of what is now
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the culture in the locker room now. So obviously guys like Burrow and Chase
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and at least for now Higgins are still there, Tree, Hendrickson, Mike
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Hilton, you know, some of those main stays who were so so impactful
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for creating that initial Super Bowl, Super Bowl run. Those guys are still
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there. But this does feel like the true next window around Burrow and Chase
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of trying to figure out how to best formulate the team, and with some
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of those guys now out the door, it does feel like a page has
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kind of turned it a little bit. Yeah, it absolutely does, as
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somebody on the outside. That's why I asked you that, because I see
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a new era essentially coming to Cincinnati when it comes to you know, what
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what kind of weapons do we give Joe Burrow in the future, you know
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what kind of offense do we want? Run You use the word you know,
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or I should say phrase lack of explosive type of stuff going on in
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terms of the offense last season from not only highlights but games that I saw
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that was extremely apparent, and I think this Bengals team needs to get back
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to that explosive type of mindset and talent acquisition if they want to be successful
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in the AFC overall. And I guess that brings me, you know,
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to a gentleman move already been talking about here, Joe Burrow. I mean,
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he's the key piece of this Bengals upcoming offseason. He's a key piece
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of the team. And I think we can say that the quarterback position is
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just the main piece of just about every NFL team. I mean that's nothing
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new. But when quarterbacks go down, especially quarterbacks as talented as Joe Burrow,
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you see how the sports psychology aspect of that filters down, I think
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to other parts of the team. So in terms of Joe Burrow, aside
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from his health, John, how does he need to grow as a player
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this coming season and even as a leader this coming season for this team if
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they're gonna see some success in the AFC. I think it's a great topic
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to bring up today because he was talking to the press for the first time
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I think January, and I think the most important thing that he said with
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that was learning when to not push through injury and learning of like how to
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listen to your body. I know you've mentioned, you know, trying to
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go away from injuries a little bit, but I do think that that's important
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considering what happened last year when he was dealing with tightness in his calf and
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it was ninety degrees out in Cincinnati was the second day of training camp,
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and he decided to put on the sleeve and try to push through it and
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ended up, you know, tanking the beginning of that year for him.
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So I think, you know, learning to listen to his body better is
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something that you know, we can all kind of learn it from, but
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especially you know, players and people who put their bodies on the line for
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their livelihood. So that that's an incredibly important development for him to take as
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a player on the field. Last year, at this time, you started
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to see the Bengals try to go in again like this is OTA's you know,
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like the pads aren't on. You know, nothing is real just yet,
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but it's still a part of like installing what the offense is supposed to
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look like. And this part of last year you saw them try to put
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Burrow, you know, dropping back from under center with more playof rollouts,
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and I think that was an emphasis of trying to get that into the offense
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last year. Unfortunately, when he couldn't move like he could normally like,
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they couldn't really do that and they had to, you know, stick him
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in the shotgun. And I think this year is going to be the same
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type of emphasis where they want to put him under center a little bit more
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to try to diversify the offense, to try to keep the defense more on
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its toes. But that's still an area that Burrow doesn't have a ton of
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experience. Obviously. What he did best at LSU, you know, going
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back five or six years now, he was just in the gun and picking
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defense to pardon in the post that phase, and they've built in tailored the
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offense to him around that specific skill set. But I still think when you
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look around the league and we talk about generating more explosive plays, that the
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best teams like the forty nine Ers and the Chiefs, they put their quarterbacks
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under center and they have they give defenses more gaps to account for, and
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combining that with a running game under center, that's how you create more explosive
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plays. That's how you create more space for the playmakers on the outside.
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It's not just going in eleven personnel and spread it out an empty like that.
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That's defenses are too smart for that nowadays, and they've they've shown head
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over the past couple years with his defense. So getting Burrow more comfortable under
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center with the playofction game is very crucial for the next step of this offense.
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And maybe just as a leader, like we talked about, you know,
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guys like Mixing and Boyd are not there. DJ Readers is a big
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loss in that sense as well for the leadership that he'd provided. So there
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is a sense of like a void and that part of just the team composition.
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And Burrow has never really been like I know, he's compared to Tom
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Brady a lot, but he's never been like the let's go like yelling,
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you know, like trying to energize people. He's never really been like Drew
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Brees or like something like that. But I think there's definitely room for him
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to kind of fill that in because he's always been a proponent of if you
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don't have anything to say, don't say it, because if you just if
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you're just yapping for the sake of yap, and no one's gonna take you
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seriously and people are gonna tune you out. But I think there are some
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steps of him maybe speaking up more often, because like there are voices that
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are no longer in that locker room. And obviously everyone's gonna look at him
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because I mean, he is the franchise absolutely well. I want to get
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into this Bengals offseason with you, John team some talent, but they gained
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some talent as well, running back Zach Moss, tight end Mike Gaseki,
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offensive lineman Trent Brown, just a few of the bigger quote I guess you
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would say, quote bigger additions to the team this offseason. And we're gonna
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get into the draft pieces in just a bit. But I'm wondering, you
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know, when you're reflecting on this offseason thus far, how do you view
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the team building from the free agency standpoint? As we're here, you know,
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at the beginning of May, like you said, you know, OTAs
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are here. What you're seeing here with regard to free agency and your reflections
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on that, What are your thoughts here? I thought they did really well
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in free agency, and I know we had the benefit of hindsight looking back
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at last year but the talents such as Genostone, Zach Moss, Mike Aseki
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a lot more proven compared to like the additions that they made last year with
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like a Nick Scott or Nerve Smith. They took a lot more risks last
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year with trying to get the most out of players that were never really tremendously
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good in the first place. But I think they've they got more known commodities.
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I think the difference between this year's for agency class maybe some of their
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past successful free agency classes, is that the deals are more short term.
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No, there's nothing longer than a two year deal here, like Sheldon Rankings
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two years, Zach Moss two years, Geno Stone two years. I think
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all three of those guys fit exactly what they needed in terms of the positions
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that they're playing and the skill sets that they provide. That Geno Stone is
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that ballhockey and instinctive free safety that they had nothing of the sort last year
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when they lost Jesse Bates. Zach Moss gives them more of a yards after
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contact tag running back that can generate more yards on his own, which is
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something that they needed more from. Joe Mixon. Mike Eski, I think
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is the exact vertical threat tight end that they've haven't had really in the entirety
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of the Joe Burrow era. Frank Brown a solid pass protector you can put
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on an island, even though you don't really trust them to play a full
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year. That's why they did what they did in the draft, which I'm
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sure we'll get to in a minute, but all the players that they added
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makes sense. I think the only sense of caution here is that there's not
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a lot of long term stability there and they're probably going to have to replace
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some of those guys in a year anyways. And even still like two year
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deal are essentially one year deals in the NFL, So I'm interested to see,
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you know, if these guys end up resigning or if they ended up
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being being replaced next year. But I think for just the sake of this
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year in free agency, they did a good job of filling those holes with
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proven talents that fit their scheme and fit what they need to perfectly. And
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that's why the draft is so important. And we're certainly going to be getting
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to the Bengals Draft in just a bit. But again, folks, we're
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talking to John Shearon from a to Za Sports and the Orange and Black Insider
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podcast that you can get over on YouTube. Search them out there, great
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great podcast and also follow John on the Twitter dot com or I should say
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X at this point, I still can't. It's still it sucks. It
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sucks trying to say, and it really does. Anyway at John Underscore sharing
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it is a great, great follow and as we're moving along with our discussion
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here, John, in this off season, there's a lot of money that's
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going to be spent at the wide receiver position for the Cincinnati Bengals. At
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this particular point in time, they put franchise tag on t Higgins all the
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he has asked to be traded. Jamar Chase just had his fifth year option
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and the club is still trying to figure out his value based on a number
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of contracts that have been doled out with other players and teams during this off
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season. You know, we were talking about Joe Burrow and he's going to
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need those weapons to really compete in this AFC this coming season here, if
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they're going to get the team back to the AFC Championship, how do you
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see this wide receiver room really taking shape this offseason? As I know you've
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reported on it, and just you know, what are the vibes, what's
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the feeling at this point. Yeah, so we probably should start with tuh
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Higgins just because that's the main story. I don't expect him to report to
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any real off season activity. I expect him to report for Week one because
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his career rings are about eight million and he's projected to make twenty two million
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this year, so he's not going to be able to recuperate that if he
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sits out and pulls like a Le'Veon Bell. So he'll play. It's a
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matter of how much chemistry that Burrow develops with the receivers, say side from
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him in the offseason, if that impacts maybe how they kind of start.
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Because Jamar Chase is still there and the offense completely flows through him, you
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can always count on, you know, around ten targets a game for him.
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And they lost Tyler Boyd and a lot of people ask me, you
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know, if the draft doesn't go the way they want to a receiver or
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if they still need depth there, are they going to bring back Tyler Boyd.
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I never really thought that was the case, because I really did think
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that they wanted to move on from him and find a different type of athlete
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out of that position, maybe not a guy that can only play the slot,
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because Tyler Boyd for years was never that much of a separator on the
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outside. You can never really trust him to really challenge boundary cornerbacks or run
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the vertical rout tree. He was always that underneath intermediary option, which is
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fine, But I think when you have a piece like Jamar Chase and all
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the best receivers in the NFL, their most productive sells when they get moved
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into the slot, justin Jefferson, Tyreek Kill. The list goes on.
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The more that you can move around Chase and the less limited the rest of
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your personnel is in terms of where they can line up, I think the
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more options that you have. So I think that was always kind of their
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ted. They wanted to replace Tyler Boyd with someone who can line up on
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the inside and the outside, and that's why they landed on Jermaine Burden.
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Character issues aside, He's he's had success in both of the slot in it
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on the boundary for Alabama, and he's elite separator with the lead athleticism,
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explosion, a proven explosive thread down the field, which is also what they
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needed. They needed someone else aside from Chase who can put pressure on the
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defense. And you know they're going to continue to face Cover six and Cover
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two and these two and these two high shells that they face. So anyone
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that someone that they can have running down the middle of the seams, whether
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that be a Mikesekia tight end or a Burden from the slot, it opens
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up a lot more space for Chase to really operate. So it's going to
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be Chase, Higgins and Burden as your starters, and then filling out that
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room, Madre Yoshavis, Charlie Jones. Second year players. Yoshavis is probably
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still ahead of Charlie Jones and the deaf chart just because he played more as
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a rookie. He and Jones dealt with an injury last year, so his
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developments a little bit behind. He's also I think twenty five years old,
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so that that's slightly cautious considering he's only a second year player. Yeah,
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and then Trenton Irwin is probably going to be the guy that rounds out that
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receiver room. He's been with the team for a few years now. He's
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developed trust with Burrows, so it's gonna take, you know, a rookie,
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underrafted guy to really push him off the roster because they like him a
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lot. I think I think Bengals fans are gonna need to see that explosion,
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like we were talking about earlier. They're gonna need to see it,
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and we're certainly, I think, going to see it. From the draft.
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Picked that you had mentioned wide receiver Jermaine Burton and you know, getting
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into these Bengals draft picks A mars Amms likely to be protecting Joe Burrow for
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years to come at the tackle position. He was taken in the first round.
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Defensive tackle Chris Jenkins was picked in the second round, and again Jermaine
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Burton we just talked about wide receiver taken in the third round. I loved
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the draft. I loved the Bengals draft for where they are what they need
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looking to the future. John, I really thought the first three rounds were
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really great picks for the Cincinnati Bengals organization and team. How would you assess
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and grade the Bengals draft as the you know, team looks toward the future
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here with these picks. Yeah, I think a lot of people who you
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know were predicting the Bengals draft, they kind of nailed the positions that they
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were going to target in the first three rounds. Offensive tackle. With this
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specific class of tackles that entered the NFL, it made the most sense for
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the eighteenth pick. I don't think the Bengals it sounds conceded, I guess,
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but I don't think they expect a draft in the teens in the coming
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future. With Burrow and Chase, I think I think they expected to be
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in the twenties. So yeah, I think when someone like a Marius Mimms
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who you know, they said themselves, if he played more in college,
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he probably wouldn't have been an eighteenth world pick. He probably would have been
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closer to the top ten. So they saw him as a value there as
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an elite athlete, past protector who I mean the value for you know,
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blocking for Joe Brow it speaks for itself. And then Chris Jenkins in the
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second round defensive tackle, I think made sense at that juncture. They needed
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another body there for both the short term in the long term and then burden
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you know, the character concerns that a lot of people had. You know
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that every team is going to say they did their due diligence and they feel
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comfortable it's just gonna be a we'll wait and see if you know, they
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were right about that. They're still taking a risk on him because you know,
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he wasn't on the draft boards for some other teams, so that that's
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always going to be, you know, you know, a risk with him,
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and it's going to be there until he proves everyone wrong. And you
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know, he's completely focused on football. But I think it's a perfect mix
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of guys who will contribute now and guys who will definitely be counted on in
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the future, which is how every team should really attack the draft. I
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think with Mims, he's not going to start Week one if Trent Brown and
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Brown are both healthy. But like we talked about with Trump Brown, he's
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only completed three of his nine seasons and he's always missed time consistently in his
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career. So if you sign trimp Brown, you better have a decent enough
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backup because that's that's a potentially big drop off, and I think that's the
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perfect runway for Mims to kind of get settled in the NFL and not start
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right away. I think he if he's thrown out there into the Wolves.
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I think he's got I think he's a better tackle and pass protector than maybe
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people gave him credit for because he didn't play as much. But still there's
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definitely seasoning that he can he can gain with in practice reps and you know,
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play in the preseason. So you wouldn't trust them maybe to start Week
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one, but if we ten or eleven comes around, they need him to
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play. I think that's the perfect time to really throw them into the wolves
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there. And with Chris Jenkins. Yeah, like Sheldon Rankins or Beja Hill
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or your starters a defensive tackle, but they they really needed like a third
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competent defensive tackle in the rotation last year and they just didn't have it.
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So Chris Jenkins can definitely play a couple hundred snaps and be that. And
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obviously Burden is going to start us at third receiver. So the first three
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rounds are gonna be the ones that everyone looks at because that those are the
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highlights of the class. So it's a good combination of guys who may not
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be starters and initially aside from Burton, but I think all three will play
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this year and all three will be pretty good other rules. I gotta tell
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you really quick. I didn't put I didn't put it in the topics that
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I sent to you. But like I'm getting to the point as somebody who
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follows sports, and I don't. I don't know if you think of this
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as well. You know, you talk about Jermaine Burton, and there were
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those topics and storylines coming out about you know, the quote character concerns.
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I think when it comes to professional athletes in general, there's character concerns with
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so many folks you know, that are playing professional sports. And like I
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mean, I think character concerns kind of get taken a little too far within
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sports media at times. If if Burton or whoever out there is getting arrested
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like three or four times a year, you know, for something, I
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think it's a character concern. And yes, I understand, you know his
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past and stuff, But there are folks like, for instance, Jeremy Tunzell.
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My god, God bless the guy during the rate before he was going
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to be potentially drafted and somebody dropped him smoking marijuana and everything. Oh,
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there's a huge character concerned with Jeremy Tunsell, and like it never manifested itself
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into anything with somebody trying to screw him at the end of the day.
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I don't know. Sometimes I think character concerns get a little too blown out
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of proportion. I'm not saying that you said that at all, by the
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stretch of the imagination. I just think character concerns in general, it just
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it kind of stinks for some athletes because there are other folks out there who
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make very questionable decisions at times. I should definitely say that, Like,
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obviously, every it's such a generic label and every case is definitely different.
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With Burden, it's it definitely has been. Like there was the incident when
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the Tennessee stormed the field, and I think he struck a fan and like
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immediately regretted it, learn from his mistake immediately. I think the majority of
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it comes from, like there were questions with Georgia and Alabama's coaching staff,
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and but it was it was potentially a situation where it's a young kid who
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just never really found the group of coaches that understood him or could work with
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him. And I think coaches may have been frustrated with that. And that's
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where a lot of that stuff came from. So has nothing to do with
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I guess off the field stuff. It's it's entirely about the Bengals have built
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a really strong culture and a really strong locker room, and throwing this guy
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into the mix is a really good test to see how strong that is,
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if they can get the guy to completely buy in, and if they can
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learn how to manage him and how to how to deal with his competitive nature
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in his emotions, because that's on the coaching staff as well, if they're
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taking that risk of bringing him, and it's up to them to best manage
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him as an individual instead of just treating him like a drone. So it's
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up to the Bengals obviously to make this work. But yeah, like when
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you have a bunch of analysts and a bunch of teams, you know,
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saying like we were going to deal with this, is the Bengals making a
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risk. But yeah, for him, it's definitely not like, oh he's
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a bad kid. No, like he's just different, exactly exactly. Well,
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before I let you go here, John, last couple questions here.
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Two part question essentially for you about the best move that the Bengals have made
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this offseason and the worst move that they've made this offseason. Let's start with
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the best one. What do you think that best move is that the team
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made this offseason and why? Man, I don't know if like one really
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sticks out, but I just think that the biggest takeaway when like when Burrow
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went down was that the offensive line is full of non athletes and that is
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a problem when you face Miles Garrett TJ. Watt four times a year the
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Baltimore Ravens twice a year. Yeah, so I think I think adding like
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a functional athlete in Trump Brown, who again like has so much experience of
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pass blocking on an island in one on one situations when you're in a pass
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heavy offense, to bring him in. But of course that wasn't the only
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thing that you could do, because if his background of being insured all the
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time, then to get a truly elite athlete in a Marius Mims to build
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around for the future, that is such a smart one two combo for this
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year. And obviously you know, when you get Mims some playing time,
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you get him some seasoning, he can take over fully in twenty twenty five
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and give you a truly elite offensive lineman, an elite athlete which Jeff like
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they haven't had in so long, Like we're talking about since Andrew Whitworth was
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drafted like twenty something years ago, and he was a he was a physical
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marvel at six seven, three thirty. They managed to play until he was
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forty years old. And the expectation for Mims like, like, that's unfair
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to put that all on him, but like, like the very best tackles,
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like you saw with Jason Peters, You've seen it with Lane Johnson,
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Like they're all really elite athletes who can move extremely well while also carrying a
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lot of force, and that that just fits mims man. So like,
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the Bengals have needed athletes like that on the offensive line for a long time,
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and especially at a position where you're going up against the best pass rushers
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in the world, you know, for most of your schedule. That was
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such an important pick. So I love what they did at right tackle,
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and it was obviously big need for them all right, last, but not
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least, what do you think the worst move was? What do you think
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the worst move is that the Bengals made this offseason? I think, like
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what happened with nose tackle can't really be understated. I think with DJ Reader,
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he was such an elite player, and he was so unique for that
24:22
position that you can't just replace him with one guy. And I think there's
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still some things that we don't fully know about how that all transpired. From
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what I heard, like they didn't really give him a serious offer compared to
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what the Lions did, and maybe like when Reader learned about what the Lions
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were offering, they kind of up the offer a little bit. But I
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think they were concerned about projecting his injury forecast because he was going to be
24:48
thirty years old and he was just coming off of another major injury. So
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I understand like letting him go, but like, it can't it can't be
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ignored that that's just a weak's point for them right now. And then he
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was so important for the defense that they have to change, Like they schematically
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they can't do the same thing without a DJ Reader type player, and they
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weren't going to get that in free agency. They weren't going to get that
25:08
in the draft outside of maybe maybe Devandre Swept, but they weren't in position
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to draft him because he went so early. So they drafted McKinley Jackson Texas
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A and m who's a nose tackle but I don't think he's the same type
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of nose tackle as DJ Reader, and I think that's that's a big challenge
25:22
for and Romo to either completely alter what he does up front, because you
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can't just have just this massive dude too capping like both eight gaps there,
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because that was what DJ Rier was able to do. So I think it's
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it's up to him and Ruma and Marrying Hobby the defensive line coach, to
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really hondre up some alterations there, because like if they try to do the
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same thing that they did with DJ Reader with McKinley Jackson, I don't foresee
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that going too well. All right, I'm gonna let you go, Buddy
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again folks. John Sharon from A to Z Sports and the Orange and Black
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Insider podcast check out what they're doing over there on YouTube, great great podcast
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at John Underscore and on Twitter slash x John. As always, Buddy,
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it was great to see you. Love talking to you. Come join us
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back down the road. I'd love to have you back on the show,
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