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Heavy Metal Book Club #35: August 1979 & Alien · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to the 22 Panels Heavy Metal Book Club.
• 0:08
  Tad Eggleston: I am joined by Peter, I am joined by Matt, I am joined by Dylan Gilbertson, whose Kickstarter is moving into fulfillment stage.
• 0:17
  Dillon Gilbertson: He sent out stuff today. Woo! Woohoo!
• 0:24
  Tad Eggleston: Which means the next one's right around the corner.
• 0:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: I mean… Calendar-wise, kinda.
• 0:32
  Tad Eggleston: I know!
• 0:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: Hmm.
• 0:35
  Tad Eggleston: So, how's it going, guys?
• 0:40
  Tad Eggleston: We kind of doubled up this time.
• 0:44
  Peter Eggleston Connor: A little bit.
• 0:45
  Tad Eggleston: Well, because we got to see just enough Alien that I really wanted to read it, but I kind of agreed with whichever one of you said that you didn't think we could necessarily do a whole episode from it, particularly given how much we talked about it already.
• 1:02
  Tad Eggleston: But we finished reading the alien graphic novel.
• 1:05
  Tad Eggleston: And… I… I did, I really, really…
• 1:10
  Tad Eggleston: Simonson, like, knocked it out of the park.
• 1:14
  Matt: When doesn't he?
• 1:16
  Tad Eggleston: Well, this is true, but…
• 1:23
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, this book is… It was gorgeous from top to bottom. I loved everything. Every piece of art.
• 1:32
  Tad Eggleston: I…
• 1:32
  Dillon Gilbertson: I loved.
• 1:36
  Tad Eggleston: only seen the movie Alien once, so, like, it's not deep, deep in my memory, but there was one point where I'm like, this is way bigger than it was in the movie, wasn't it?
• 1:49
  Dillon Gilbertson: I mean, I think that's for visual effects, that's supposed to be, like, a visual effect that's coming at you to look bigger.
• 1:56
  Matt: That's Fantastic foreshortening.
• 1:59
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 1:59
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I'm certain that there's that too, but, like…
• 2:03
  Tad Eggleston: I was really impressed that, if anything, the climactic, you know, alien out of the belly scene was… more…
• 2:16
  Tad Eggleston: Startling to me.
• 2:18
  Tad Eggleston: It… in the…
• 2:19
  Matt: The movie? Yes.
• 2:20
  Tad Eggleston: than the movie, even though I was watching for it, even though I knew it was coming, even though, like…
• 2:26
  Tad Eggleston: It's… it's a great use of the page turn.
• 2:30
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I'm like.
• 2:31
  Matt: For sure.
• 2:32
  Tad Eggleston: It is so… I mean, just like… and again, like… I mean, part of it is the differences in storytelling and movies, and part of it is…
• 2:43
  Tad Eggleston: Or comics versus movies, and part of it is, like.
• 2:48
  Tad Eggleston: certain things that comics just do so well, and a good page turn is high on the list of… I don't know that you can…
• 3:00
  Matt: It's harder to do it in white fashion.
• 3:02
  Tad Eggleston: Suspense.
• 3:03
  Matt: Yup.
• 3:05
  Tad Eggleston: You know, where I know it's coming, I know it's coming all the more, because having seen the movie, it really foreshadows it. You've got this big.
• 3:14
  Tad Eggleston: Blotch a red.
• 3:18
  Tad Eggleston: And you know what's coming, and still you turn the page, and it's like, oh, shit.
• 3:25
  Matt: Yupper.
• 3:27
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I really liked the scene. The only thing I, felt…
• 3:31
  Peter Eggleston Connor: About this part that, they probably could have done without was…
• 3:38
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Eruption, a scarlet shower of flesh of… or… of flesh of blood.
• 3:46
  Peter Eggleston Connor: This is, like, the only thing that… You're right! I really like this comic, and I really don't like how sometimes…
• 3:54
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, sometimes they go off and add in words, and it's like… You're showing this so well.
• 4:01
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, it's very… it's very telling not showing.
• 4:04
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Right.
• 4:04
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, in a lot of ways, that was, that's something that I'd say is an editorial
• 4:10
  Tad Eggleston: Ball drop.
• 4:11
  Tad Eggleston: Because I could see how you'd put that stuff in the script.
• 4:17
  Peter Eggleston Connor: But then when you look at that game… That other one that we were just on with, Brett tries to desperately.
• 4:25
  Tad Eggleston: That's really the scream.
• 4:27
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Here's another.
• 4:28
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, you want to make absolutely certain that you… you might just have it say, no sound…
• 4:36
  Tad Eggleston: you know, I think you wanna… I think you wanna emphasize that it's not just That you don't see…
• 4:44
  Tad Eggleston: A word balloon or anything like that, but that literally no sound is coming out?
• 4:50
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I mean, that's… yeah.
• 4:51
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, you're right, I don't… I think it's too much to say that he's desperately trying to scream. You can see that.
• 4:59
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, part of that is the time
• 5:04
  Tad Eggleston: You know, comics were still way too exposition-heavy.
• 5:07
  Tad Eggleston: And… the…
• 5:10
  Tad Eggleston: the late 70s. But part of it, I… like, that's the sort of thing that I'll… I'll lay on an editor. An editor should have said, yes, this was in the script, but looking at this picture now, we don't need it.
• 5:25
  Matt: I mean, you could have just had a word balloon with, like, a dot in it, or a…
• 5:28
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 5:29
  Matt: I mean, there's a lot of ways to do it. This exposition probably ain't the best.
• 5:34
  Tad Eggleston: Right. And I agree, all the more so on the alien out of the stomach. You don't need the… and, you know.
• 5:42
  Peter Eggleston Connor: To be fair.
• 5:43
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think I noticed it until you said it.
• 5:46
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And that's fair, and, you know, I did notice it, but that said, you know, part of the reason I noticed… But that also means that it was just, like, this distraction.
• 5:56
  Tad Eggleston: that I didn't notice it until you said it means that it was even less necessary.
• 6:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: I think the… the panel on the next page, the… that bottom panel, though.
• 6:11
  Dillon Gilbertson: Or, sorry, I guess we're… it's a couple pages forward. One with the big xenomorph, after they find him, and then Brett tries desperately to scream. So, the bottom panel there, like, I just want…
• 6:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: I don't know, as a print on my wall or something. It's really cool.
• 6:28
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that is pretty…
• 6:29
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Pretty good one, yeah.
• 6:30
  Matt: one?
• 6:32
  Tad Eggleston: Bottom panel here.
• 6:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: On the bottom there.
• 6:34
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah. Okay.
• 6:40
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he's got just enough fear in his eyes, too. I mean, I love how…
• 6:45
  Tad Eggleston: Done right, just a couple of lines can make…
• 6:50
  Dillon Gilbertson: So much.
• 6:52
  Tad Eggleston: Feelings show through.
• 6:54
  Dillon Gilbertson: Well, what I think we need in that panel.
• 6:56
  Tad Eggleston: And the teeny tiny motion lines to show, like, the…
• 7:00
  Dillon Gilbertson: shaking.
• 7:01
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 7:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: I think what we need there is a caption box that says, Brett was scared.
• 7:13
  Matt: Good evening.
• 7:22
  Tad Eggleston: And actually, you know, seeing as this is a, let's see if I can set it up as a two-pager here…
• 7:34
  Matt: That looks like a good Facebook.
• 7:37
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's the wrong way, though.
• 7:39
  Matt: Not the profile pic, the background pic goes right across the.
• 7:41
  Dillon Gilbertson: The banner, or whatever.
• 7:43
  Matt: I have a banner, that's it.
• 7:45
  Tad Eggleston: See, I think… So this is the two-page spread here.
• 7:52
  Tad Eggleston: And then you don't actually need that, because it says…
• 7:56
  Dillon Gilbertson: He finds the screen.
• 7:57
  Tad Eggleston: Brett finds his screen. You don't have to say it's missing, because it's there.
• 8:03
  Tad Eggleston: Like, these two… you could have just left the exposition, and that would have shown you that the scream came just as he was, like…
• 8:13
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I would've… I would've accepted, like, that would've been great, like…
• 8:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 8:18
  Peter Eggleston Connor: The 2-bit, yeah, with the two-bit spread, and the… they have the large arg, and then… Right. …finding the screen.
• 8:26
  Tad Eggleston: This is… This is totally how,
• 8:31
  Tad Eggleston: like, reading all of these really good comics, though, is spoiling us. We're starting to, like, notice really nitpicky things that…
• 8:39
  Matt: And also, you gotta think about it. In 1977, this was probably the way it was done, period.
• 8:44
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, no, I mean, it's way less… I mean, if this was a Stan Lee page, think of how much expedition. There would be a box in every fucking panel, because I gotta get paid for being a writer.
• 8:58
  Matt: Yipper.
• 9:00
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Right.
• 9:03
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah… I mean, like… That's very true, but it's.
• 9:10
  Tad Eggleston: This is…
• 9:11
  Matt: Was it…
• 9:12
  Tad Eggleston: Roy Thomas doing the writing, I think?
• 9:15
  Matt: believe so.
• 9:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. I know, Archie Goodwin.
• 9:25
  Tad Eggleston: So even more from that, that older style of…
• 9:31
  Tad Eggleston: Lots of exposition, lots of dialogue.
• 9:34
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Otherwise, like, I don't know, I guess, like, I don't remember the set pieces perfectly, but… or… or… like, I remember Alien, and like, the thing is, like, reading the comic, most of it…
• 9:48
  Peter Eggleston Connor: just sort of processes… Really well to the movie.
• 10:01
  Tad Eggleston: I kinda wish…
• 10:03
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, seeing as I, like, saw Alien for the first time in, like, the last 5 years, it's, like, not even a major wish.
• 10:13
  Tad Eggleston: I kind of wish that I'd somehow come across the comic first.
• 10:17
  Tad Eggleston: I would have liked to see…
• 10:20
  Dillon Gilbertson: That would be cool.
• 10:21
  Tad Eggleston: how… how… I mean, that's… I mean, going back to what I was saying.
• 10:26
  Matt: either on or off air about Megalopolis. Yep.
• 10:29
  Dillon Gilbertson: Bye.
• 10:30
  Tad Eggleston: I'm kind of glad that I read the comic first. It'll be interesting to see how the movie feels.
• 10:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, it would be really cool to see…
• 10:38
  Dillon Gilbertson: like, to see the xenomorph, to see the facehugger, to see the ships, and just…
• 10:43
  Tad Eggleston: neat.
• 10:43
  Dillon Gilbertson: Characters and stuff, and then, and then just be really excited to see that translated to real life, kind of a thing.
• 10:50
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 10:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yep, that'd be cool.
• 10:53
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and also, like.
• 10:56
  Tad Eggleston: There's no way to… it's harder to know exactly how well they told a story that you know already.
• 11:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: Right.
• 11:06
  Tad Eggleston: You know, so I'm really curious as to whether, like, somebody who read this who hadn't seen Alien would then go see Alien and not
• 11:16
  Tad Eggleston: Be surprised by anything.
• 11:18
  Tad Eggleston: Or at least not be surprised by anything that literally wasn't different. You know what I mean?
• 11:24
  Matt: the main difference that I remember, and I didn't, like I said, I didn't watch the movie before reading it, was when Tom Skerritt's character, Dallas, goes missing, the whole scene where Sigourney Reaver finds him.
• 11:36
  Matt: Yeah. He's covered in the maggots. Like, this left that, like… That's all, that's all.
• 11:42
  Tad Eggleston: I think we just see his foot, don't we, or is that a different one?
• 11:45
  Matt: I think that was a different one, I don't think we have a CDL.
• 11:47
  Tad Eggleston: These, these feet.
• 11:50
  Matt: But that's not scary, that's… that's interesting, we're just gonna let Dallas go. He could be alive, probably not, but oh well.
• 11:59
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I think she makes it clear that he's not. She's like, no. Nobody survived that. Yeah.
• 12:05
  Tad Eggleston: Fuck you guys, we are not going looking.
• 12:14
  Tad Eggleston: I'd like some of us to go home, please.
• 12:17
  Matt: Yes.
• 12:22
  Tad Eggleston: Like, and this is just a guy, you know, it is, like…
• 12:29
  Tad Eggleston: From just a story standpoint, like, The fact that…
• 12:35
  Tad Eggleston: That the woman who's the… supposed to be irrationally…
• 12:40
  Tad Eggleston: kind and caring for everyone is the one that's much better at, no, no, no, no.
• 12:46
  Matt: Taking care of everyone.
• 12:47
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna take care of everyone, but, like…
• 12:52
  Tad Eggleston: Part of that is, we have quarantine protocols.
• 12:58
  Tad Eggleston: You guys stay the fuck out there until we know you're not gonna kill us all!
• 13:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, no, I thought that was.
• 13:08
  Tad Eggleston: And it… and it's the tough guys who are like, no, we gotta let him in!
• 13:13
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yup.
• 13:16
  Matt: Yep.
• 13:18
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, yeah, that it was, I mean, but also, Ash is the one who ended up letting them in, and Ash is a complete…
• 13:27
  Matt: Right, and they didn't even know he was an android.
• 13:30
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 13:33
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Ash is actually a wild card, no matter how he seems, right?
• 13:40
  Peter Eggleston Connor: So…
• 13:40
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, this was… this was really… Brilliantly done.
• 13:46
  Tad Eggleston: Can you imagine being able to buy it for $3.95?
• 13:50
  Matt: Yeah.
• 13:52
  Tad Eggleston: Where's my time machine when I need one?
• 13:55
  Matt: When it came out, I was 1 years old, so my parents probably wouldn't have bought it for me.
• 14:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I was, I was, I was, I was, negative 1 years old, so…
• 14:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: So they didn't plan ahead and think, oh, baby might like this.
• 14:14
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 14:14
  Peter Eggleston Connor: What's that? Like, the visuals are, like…
• 14:18
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I think we've said this, like, just super stunning, and, like, even… you know…
• 14:24
  Tad Eggleston: I… one question that I'm kind of curious is about…
• 14:28
  Tad Eggleston: That we don't have, because we've got a digital copy, is what the… the… Page dimensions were.
• 14:37
  Tad Eggleston: Because… it's got more European… panel structure?
• 14:44
  Tad Eggleston: So I wonder if it was more magazine size?
• 14:48
  Matt: Yeah, I don't know. That's a good… that's a good question.
• 14:50
  Tad Eggleston: for the… the… Chapters that were in That we're in, heavy metal, so probably?
• 15:03
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I think that.
• 15:03
  Tad Eggleston: That's really good, because… because having those… Extra panels to give… depth, or give…
• 15:18
  Tad Eggleston: Action.
• 15:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I think, I mean, like, it's definitely, out of a heavy metal, and I'm pretty sure the heavy metals were magazines, even back then.
• 15:29
  Tad Eggleston: Or a magazine size, yeah.
• 15:31
  Peter Eggleston Connor: So…
• 15:32
  Dillon Gilbertson: Google says it's 8.11 by 10.86.
• 15:37
  Matt: 8x10.
• 15:38
  Matt: Is that E6 size?
• 15:40
  Matt: It's more or less 8x11, more or less.
• 15:44
  Tad Eggleston: It's a little bit bigger than…
• 15:47
  Tad Eggleston: Because, like, most comics are, like, 7.5 by 10, or 7x10.
• 15:53
  Tad Eggleston: So… Yeah.
• 15:59
  Tad Eggleston: Very, very well done.
• 16:01
  Matt: Perfect.
• 16:04
  Tad Eggleston: So many beautiful pages.
• 16:06
  Matt: Yo…
• 16:08
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 16:10
  Tad Eggleston: Made me like Alien more than I liked it before.
• 16:17
  Peter Eggleston Connor: But Alien was so good even before this. Anyhow, we'll stop.
• 16:20
  Tad Eggleston: Now, I mean, a lot of people… It is.
• 16:24
  Tad Eggleston: And I appreciate it.
• 16:26
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, I didn't have any desperate urge to, like, watch it again, or, or, like, I still haven't watched any of the other Alien movies. I've just watched the first…
• 16:36
  Tad Eggleston: Come on.
• 16:37
  Peter Eggleston Connor: try.
• 16:38
  Matt: You really should watch the second one.
• 16:40
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 16:41
  Matt: Because James Cameron took it to such a great level. I will probably eventually…
• 16:46
  Tad Eggleston: Right. No, I've heard.
• 16:47
  Peter Eggleston Connor: good things in place.
• 16:49
  Tad Eggleston: Like, I'm not opposed to it.
• 16:51
  Matt: Yeah, I'm just, I'm just saying, like, out of all of them, the first two are the must-watches.
• 16:56
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Right.
• 16:56
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Alien was, like, this great…
• 16:59
  Matt: space horror, and then Aliens was the great… action horror.
• 17:03
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Ace action kind of horror.
• 17:06
  Matt: Yup.
• 17:09
  Peter Eggleston Connor: It was like…
• 17:11
  Peter Eggleston Connor: The best comparison I have to it is Gremlins and Gremlins 2, only at.
• 17:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: Probably.
• 17:16
  Peter Eggleston Connor: better than Gremlins, so… or Alien is probably better than Gremlins.
• 17:20
  Dillon Gilbertson: How dare.
• 17:21
  Tad Eggleston: Those… those are true Mormons.
• 17:23
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I love Gremlin. Do not take offense to that.
• 17:27
  Matt: I haven't seen Gremlins 2, I've seen the first one. You haven't seen Gremlins or Gremlins 2?
• 17:31
  Tad Eggleston: Not the second one.
• 17:32
  Peter Eggleston Connor: No, nothing tad.
• 17:34
  Tad Eggleston: No? Oh, wow.
• 17:35
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's funny, because I was thinking about how, like, sneakers, as a kid… sorry, like, slightly off-topic, we watched sneakers recently for something else.
• 17:43
  Tad Eggleston: I still need to watch it for something else, but yes.
• 17:47
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, but but I was thinking about how sneakers as a kid, I'm pretty sure, like, you and Adam watched it a lot, and I.
• 17:54
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I love sneakers.
• 17:55
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I don't remember watching it ever. Like, I somehow, like, even though it was on in the house, just completely avoided it, so… and I remember that we watched Gremlins and Gremlins 2 a lot as a kid, but as I also think about that, I'm like, okay, I think that was, like, Grandma's house, which you weren't there as often, so…
• 18:13
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 18:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: I watched Gremlins… it was the same thing with Critters. I watched Gremlins 2 and Critters 2.
• 18:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: ad nauseam, before I'd even seen or heard of the first one.
• 18:30
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, no.
• 18:31
  Dillon Gilbertson: And then I saw the first ones when I was much older, and I was like, wow, these are really good.
• 18:38
  Peter Eggleston Connor: No, they are…
• 18:39
  Matt: Raiders, especially. That was a great movie.
• 18:41
  Dillon Gilbertson: Anyway, we're getting lucky.
• 18:42
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I meant no offense by saying I think Alien might be better than Gremlins, but it…
• 18:49
  Dillon Gilbertson: Alien's more artsy than gremlins.
• 18:51
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Brian.
• 18:51
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's more highbrow than Gremlins.
• 18:54
  Matt: I would agree with that.
• 18:57
  Tad Eggleston: We go August of 79, and time out Opus Infinity.
• 19:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah… I like this first… this first.
• 19:08
  Tad Eggleston: I loved this story. I actually just noticed something that I hadn't noticed before. Like… She…
• 19:19
  Dillon Gilbertson: is naked? Look, I noticed that.
• 19:21
  Tad Eggleston: Well, no, she looks old in these opening panels here, and he looks young.
• 19:27
  Matt: But once he wakes up…
• 19:30
  Tad Eggleston: No, while he's sleeping here.
• 19:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: I mean, he does look a little younger. I think she stays the same age, but he does look a bit younger while he's sleeping there.
• 19:39
  Tad Eggleston: I think when she starts dancing, she starts feeling a little bit younger.
• 19:44
  Tad Eggleston: As he's getting older.
• 19:48
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's like a subtle thing, and mostly, I just… I think the art is beautiful, and I love the idea of playing and dancing a universe into existence.
• 19:59
  Matt: This, it really reminded me of, sandman?
• 20:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: I was literally gonna say, like, yeah, it reminds me of Sandman, of, like.
• 20:09
  Matt: Siblings coming together to do their part to.
• 20:11
  Dillon Gilbertson: Right, right.
• 20:13
  Matt: We just moved up it.
• 20:16
  Peter Eggleston Connor: On the… the page right before those?
• 20:21
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Or it's just space, and then… go down one. Down another?
• 20:27
  Peter Eggleston Connor: There we go.
• 20:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: Space.
• 20:29
  Peter Eggleston Connor: life, and then… Him playing and her dancing.
• 20:35
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 20:37
  Tad Eggleston: Those… those might actually be…
• 20:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Your favorite? Because they're probably my favorite this time.
• 20:44
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 20:46
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, I liked a lot of, like, this issue in, like, the comics. I'm not sure I can think of another image that particularly stood out to me as…
• 20:55
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, I really want… would make that my top whatever, or top, panel.
• 21:01
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, like…
• 21:02
  Tad Eggleston: A close second and third are literally the next two panels.
• 21:09
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yup.
• 21:09
  Tad Eggleston: You know, the… The page, and then the top half.
• 21:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: Who wrote this?
• 21:21
  Tad Eggleston: It's a… a vowel…
• 21:23
  Matt: I was gonna say Neil Cameron.
• 21:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: No, I heard it.
• 21:27
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'll Maverick.
• 21:28
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yo, get you in.
• 21:31
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Sure. Yeah. That guy.
• 21:35
  Peter Eggleston Connor: You're on it.
• 21:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: You know.
• 21:39
  Dillon Gilbertson: We don't need to get into that.
• 21:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: 47 years ago.
• 21:43
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, I mean, possibly. How old is Neil Gaiman?
• 21:50
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, wow! I forgot…
• 21:53
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, so Val Merrick…
• 21:56
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 21:58
  Tad Eggleston: is the co-creator of Howard the Duck.
• 22:02
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Nice.
• 22:04
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Wait, the comic, right? Not the first.
• 22:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 22:06
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Sweet.
• 22:07
  Dillon Gilbertson: Not the movie, yeah.
• 22:09
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 22:10
  Matt: Funny.
• 22:11
  Matt: Thank you for clarifying.
• 22:13
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, the movie's based on the comic, but like… Get co-creator status.
• 22:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I understand that it's based on the comic, but that's like saying the first Captain America is based on the comic.
• 22:27
  Tad Eggleston: Apparently, there is a director's cut of that.
• 22:30
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That was better.
• 22:31
  Tad Eggleston: Starting to make the rounds.
• 22:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: Of Harold.
• 22:34
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I rock live.
• 22:35
  Tad Eggleston: that has… Oh, so…
• 22:38
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I…
• 22:39
  Tad Eggleston: There's to be said for it.
• 22:40
  Matt: Oh, no kidding.
• 22:40
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I… I completely believe that.
• 22:43
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 22:44
  Matt: That makes me happy.
• 22:45
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Like, it doesn't… it doesn't make me, like, go off and say, I'm not just…
• 22:51
  Tad Eggleston: No, I get it, I get it. And, like, I reserve the right to not agree that it's, like, good rather than just better, but, like…
• 23:01
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Sure, sure. I recently read…
• 23:03
  Tad Eggleston: An article from somebody who'd gotten to see it and is like, oh, that could be interesting.
• 23:10
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Sure, no, like, I've just… you know, it's one of those commentaries where there was a lot of, like, those, early comic book movies in the 80s and 90s and early thousands…
• 23:25
  Tad Eggleston: Whoa.
• 23:26
  Tad Eggleston: A particularly early one.
• 23:28
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, yeah, right. That was… It was, like, post-Superman and post-really Bad Spider-Man, but…
• 23:37
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Right, there was a Spider-Man before Tobey Maguire, wasn't there?
• 23:40
  Matt: Yes, there was.
• 23:41
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 23:42
  Peter Eggleston Connor: He's like…
• 23:43
  Tad Eggleston: I think the Spider-Man was actually before Superman, even.
• 23:46
  Matt: Might have been.
• 23:47
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, interesting.
• 23:49
  Tad Eggleston: It was… ugh. It was bad.
• 23:52
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Well, it's kind of funny, because I feel like the Christopher… Christopher Reeves was the first Superman, right?
• 23:57
  Matt: No, wow. George reads.
• 24:02
  Tad Eggleston: That was the TV show.
• 24:03
  Matt: Yes.
• 24:04
  Tad Eggleston: and the cereals.
• 24:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh.
• 24:06
  Tad Eggleston: There was a Batman serial way back.
• 24:09
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I was gonna talk about the movies.
• 24:11
  Tad Eggleston: But I think… I think we were all talking modern era, Matt.
• 24:14
  Matt: They're not…
• 24:14
  Tad Eggleston: which, when it comes to superhero movies, starts, I think, with the Christopher Reeve.
• 24:19
  Matt: Agreed.
• 24:20
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 24:23
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 24:25
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah. I don't know how we got on this. Anyhow…
• 24:29
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I remember there was duck connection. Right. Val Merrick, Howard the Duck.
• 24:35
  Matt: Yeah, Mickey.
• 24:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Sure that we were talking about the comic and not the movie.
• 24:40
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And then the discussion unwinds into, oh, the uncut version of, the first Captain America might have actually been pretty good, and…
• 24:52
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I don't know, a lot of those, and again, I'm not sure it's, like, you know, the people who made them actually, again, just didn't have the full creative license, or the final say.
• 25:03
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and a lot of it was they just, I mean… The effects just weren't there.
• 25:08
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's also true.
• 25:09
  Matt: Oh, back in the day, absolutely.
• 25:10
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Absolutely.
• 25:11
  Tad Eggleston: No.
• 25:12
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, we just watched, .
• 25:17
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, yeah.
• 25:21
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Dracula.
• 25:23
  Tad Eggleston: No, before the Dracula, the, the Aguirre, who was the… who's the Dracula.
• 25:27
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, God.
• 25:31
  Tad Eggleston: Werner Herzog, and actually, as I think of it, I always get Werner Herzog and Roger Corman mixed up, so strike that anyway.
• 25:39
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah… Roger Corman did a Fantastic Four movie that, like… is… God-awful.
• 25:51
  Tad Eggleston: But it was his way to hold onto the rights. He had to spend at least a million dollars to make a movie.
• 25:57
  Tad Eggleston: To… to hold onto the rights. And, like, they did some of the costume stuff okay.
• 26:03
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Which… which Fantastic Four movie was that?
• 26:06
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, it wasn't even released.
• 26:08
  Matt: It wasn't.
• 26:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, yeah, the one from, like, the 80s or whatever.
• 26:11
  Tad Eggleston: 94.
• 26:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 26:13
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Got it.
• 26:14
  Tad Eggleston: 94, it had, Craig J. Nevis, Kevin… or no, that's the writers. Alex Hyde White, Jay Underwood, and Rebecca Staub.
• 26:29
  Tad Eggleston: If, any of those names mean anything to you, then, like…
• 26:34
  Matt: Weird. You're a nerd.
• 26:37
  Tad Eggleston: Michael Bailey as Ben Grimm?
• 26:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I'm Michael Bay, Michael Bay.
• 26:42
  Tad Eggleston: Bailey's kidding.
• 26:43
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Joke, joke.
• 26:45
  Matt: Michael Bay.
• 26:46
  Dillon Gilbertson: Michael Bay was Michael Bailey, and he had to get away from the film.
• 26:50
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, he had to…
• 26:51
  Tad Eggleston: I play Super Freddy.
• 26:52
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Disassociated.
• 26:53
  Tad Eggleston: there on Elm Street.
• 26:57
  Tad Eggleston: The dream child.
• 26:59
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, so Dylan might have seen that.
• 27:01
  Dillon Gilbertson: Wait, hold on.
• 27:02
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Say that again?
• 27:03
  Dillon Gilbertson: Say that last part again?
• 27:04
  Tad Eggleston: He played Super Freddy in A Nightmare on Elm Street, The Dream Child.
• 27:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's a dream, child.
• 27:11
  Tad Eggleston: No.
• 27:12
  Dillon Gilbertson: I mean…
• 27:14
  Tad Eggleston: The 1989 movie.
• 27:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: Super fridge.
• 27:17
  Tad Eggleston: And he apparently played creepy…
• 27:19
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 27:19
  Tad Eggleston: Men in Black 2?
• 27:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, is Super Freddy… Super Freddy's the… the Freddy inside the comic book, when the guy draws his own comic, and then leaves it out being inside.
• 27:30
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Nice.
• 27:32
  Dillon Gilbertson: So that wasn't… that wasn't Robert Englund, that Freddie?
• 27:36
  Tad Eggleston: Apparently not.
• 27:38
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'm gonna Google this, where now I'm in a rabbit hole.
• 27:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: What's the one after that you mentioned?
• 27:45
  Tad Eggleston: He was creepy, and…
• 27:47
  Dillon Gilbertson: And Freddy's dead.
• 27:48
  Tad Eggleston: No, in Men in Black 2.
• 27:52
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And…
• 27:53
  Tad Eggleston: This is kinda cool. He's a power plant worker, number 2.
• 27:58
  Tad Eggleston: in Fantastic Four First Steps.
• 28:01
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Nice.
• 28:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I still haven't seen that movie. Maybe at some point.
• 28:11
  Peter Eggleston Connor: The Great Crap Part 4, where they kill my favorite character.
• 28:17
  Dillon Gilbertson: Roman's already…
• 28:18
  Tad Eggleston: Wait a minute, Jay… Jay Underwood… who… who played… played,
• 28:26
  Tad Eggleston: Johnny Storm is… is power plant worker number one.
• 28:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, that's great. Well, he's my favorite power plant worker.
• 28:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And, and…
• 28:37
  Tad Eggleston: And the ABC newscasters?
• 28:41
  Tad Eggleston: or the ABC newscaster William Russell, is played by the guy that played
• 28:46
  Tad Eggleston: Reed Richards, Alex Hyde White, and the Channel 9 newscaster, Carolyn something or other, is played by Rebecca, so they brought all four of them.
• 28:58
  Tad Eggleston: And gave them parts in the new.
• 29:02
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Hey, how would you like to continue your legacy, only in a better version of the movie that you made that never got released?
• 29:09
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, apparently they were willing to.
• 29:12
  Peter Eggleston Connor: No, no, I mean, I would be willing to, too. I'm just… Anyhow…
• 29:20
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, since we started on the Captain America side, does anybody remember who played that Captain America?
• 29:28
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Nope.
• 29:30
  Peter Eggleston Connor: But I do remember the Grizzlies.
• 29:32
  Tad Eggleston: Very famous father.
• 29:38
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, you mean a reverend? Just kidding. Anyhow.
• 29:43
  Tad Eggleston: He's a… he is a very famous father.
• 29:46
  Dillon Gilbertson: Jesus?
• 29:47
  Dillon Gilbertson: What does that even mean?
• 29:48
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know. In the 1990…
• 29:50
  Tad Eggleston: Captain America. Captain America was played by… by Matt Salinger.
• 29:59
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Salinger's father?
• 30:01
  Tad Eggleston: J.D. Salinger is.
• 30:03
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Shady. Oh, okay.
• 30:06
  Peter Eggleston Connor: So, how about that Great Trap Part 4?
• 30:09
  Matt: Yeah, it was okay.
• 30:11
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Thank you, Matt.
• 30:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: It was pretty trippy.
• 30:14
  Matt: Yeah.
• 30:15
  Peter Eggleston Connor: We're trappy.
• 30:16
  Peter Eggleston Connor: They killed off… they killed off my favorite character.
• 30:22
  Tad Eggleston: Which one was your favorite character?
• 30:24
  Matt: Selling.
• 30:25
  Peter Eggleston Connor: This, dark-haired dame.
• 30:32
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay, yeah.
• 30:33
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, but didn't she get to go off to, like, the equivalent of heaven?
• 30:39
  Peter Eggleston Connor: To be with her.
• 30:39
  Tad Eggleston: other guy, isn't that what the end here is, or is that a different name?
• 30:44
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's a different name. That's the other one.
• 30:46
  Matt: Oh, it is a different dame, I thought it was the same dame, that's why I was confused.
• 30:51
  Tad Eggleston: I thought it only looked slightly different because she was dead now.
• 30:56
  Tad Eggleston: I'm off in the stars.
• 30:58
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Nope, that's the other name.
• 31:00
  Peter Eggleston Connor: See, like, there was the traffic…
• 31:03
  Tad Eggleston: That means that the story wasn't even as cool as I thought it was. Even before that…
• 31:11
  Peter Eggleston Connor: There was a whole bunch of stories… Like…
• 31:16
  Peter Eggleston Connor: There's a part where this, dark-haired dame, I don't remember what her name is, I should actually go remember that.
• 31:31
  Peter Eggleston Connor: First of all, Mona, sorry, miss me of her husband's tragic death.
• 31:38
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, I think it's Mona.
• 31:40
  Peter Eggleston Connor: But, like… She was with, like, the first kind of villien-ness dude.
• 31:46
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Who, like, we weren't sure if he was really killing us or not, way back in some other… a comic with some other name.
• 31:57
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And then this girl, the blonde, or the lighter-haired one, which, yeah, I know, it does not look that distinguishingly different to be able to be like, oh, is this, like, a different person?
• 32:10
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Was Morris White's, primary, love interest.
• 32:22
  Peter Eggleston Connor: At the time, and he goes off and, like, goes to that world where he saves them and…
• 32:28
  Peter Eggleston Connor: You know, she's…
• 32:29
  Peter Eggleston Connor: being held in a, some sort of aquatic, or some sort of aquarium, and being forced to use a freezer to live.
• 32:38
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 32:39
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And they have to, like… Take her back home, and she has to get… the… some scientists…
• 32:47
  Peter Eggleston Connor: she, has to work with her, and that's kind of the reference they make to the scientist here. I'm pretty sure that's the same scientist.
• 32:56
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Because that dude's not, not the, original.
• 33:01
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Weird, villainy-looking dude, so… Oh.
• 33:06
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Doesn't really matter. I don't know how, I've retained most of that.
• 33:14
  Tad Eggleston: So how about this Dangbert Whittlespoon Danganorf III?
• 33:19
  Tad Eggleston: You're… you spent time in Portland, Peter. Did you ever meet Dangbert Wilspoon Danganorf III?
• 33:26
  Peter Eggleston Connor: So, probably not. Considering how, how,
• 33:31
  Peter Eggleston Connor: How deeply he went into three-finger, end joint holds for… Boeing string, or bowstring?
• 33:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Holding bowstrings.
• 33:43
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 33:44
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I was a little bit like, is that actually accurate? And… It is. I think it might be, but at the same time, it's like, okay, whatever.
• 33:54
  Tad Eggleston: But it was still dumb.
• 33:56
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 33:59
  Tad Eggleston: Kinda like this next one.
• 34:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, this was.
• 34:03
  Tad Eggleston: was fun.
• 34:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: This was for new.
• 34:06
  Peter Eggleston Connor: It was. It's a little…
• 34:09
  Matt: Hosting social commentary.
• 34:11
  Dillon Gilbertson: I just noticed that someone in the crowd there was wearing the same mask as this person is, right? Isn't that the same one in the middle, middle panel, bottom right?
• 34:19
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah… yeah… I mean, it's a very similar-looking map.
• 34:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: Total, bottom right.
• 34:27
  Peter Eggleston Connor: like, this one person who's off in the air and not really doing anything is… causing a…
• 34:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Massive traffic jam, and it's just people.
• 34:41
  Dillon Gilbertson: I thought we were gonna get a Silver Surfer story when I saw those feet go in there.
• 34:46
  Tad Eggleston: Well, at least we got a surfer story.
• 34:49
  Matt: We did, we absolutely did. Two of them in this episode.
• 34:52
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Also, her mask disappears, like, on the next page. Oh, I guess it doesn't disappear, they have this moment where they show her lips, and then, like, the mask is still there? I don't know, it's being taken off.
• 35:04
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's still there, here.
• 35:07
  Tad Eggleston: Can't see it great here, but it could.
• 35:09
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah… oh, there it is.
• 35:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: Or no, here it is.
• 35:12
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, buddy.
• 35:12
  Dillon Gilbertson: boot on and off.
• 35:13
  Peter Eggleston Connor: So, like, the lips up here that I was talking about, if you look at the.
• 35:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: Are the lips breaking through the mask? What's happening there?
• 35:22
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I think it's this coming.
• 35:23
  Tad Eggleston: I think it's right here.
• 35:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: It is, but why…
• 35:27
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's hard time.
• 35:28
  Matt: dinner.
• 35:28
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's what I was saying. It's showing, like, the mask is, like…
• 35:32
  Dillon Gilbertson: Piece of shit.
• 35:33
  Tad Eggleston: Showing how fast she's going.
• 35:36
  Dillon Gilbertson: Amen.
• 35:37
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Is that what it's showing? I don't know.
• 35:38
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know.
• 35:41
  Tad Eggleston: Feels like one of those things that we shouldn't question too much.
• 35:45
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh my gosh.
• 35:47
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And then they, like, shoot her down with this thing.
• 35:51
  Tad Eggleston: Zoom, zoom, zoom.
• 35:54
  Dillon Gilbertson: That kid gets it.
• 35:55
  Dillon Gilbertson: That kid knows what's going on.
• 35:57
  Matt: Okay.
• 35:58
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, so…
• 36:01
  Tad Eggleston: Then we'll get some Montelier.
• 36:04
  Tad Eggleston: I liked this story, too.
• 36:07
  Peter Eggleston Connor: This is…
• 36:08
  Tad Eggleston: This is a continuation of the last one.
• 36:10
  Matt: Oh, yeah, it was interesting.
• 36:12
  Tad Eggleston: You're at the mall, and you can't leave, because there was a nuclear bomb that went on.
• 36:16
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Right, this is a sec… this is the second part.
• 36:20
  Tad Eggleston: And it started making me wonder, did the nuclear bomb go off above them, or is this just to keep them shopping?
• 36:27
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yup. Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:30
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh.
• 36:32
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Well, it seems, based on what they're saying, it seems like a really bad time to have a nuclear bomb go off above them just to keep them shopping, because it seems like you could have gotten a lot more people.
• 36:43
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's possible.
• 36:45
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'm not gonna question their methods. They're shopping, and that's all.
• 36:48
  Peter Eggleston Connor: that this Montelier is a lot better, since whoever translated it didn't… Yeah.
• 36:56
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Fuck it up.
• 36:59
  Tad Eggleston: No, no hillbilly whatever translation.
• 37:07
  Tad Eggleston: This is very Star Wars.
• 37:10
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, a little bit.
• 37:12
  Matt: I didn't read it, did anyone read it?
• 37:14
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Nope.
• 37:16
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Especially now that we're on par…
• 37:18
  Peter Eggleston Connor: What? I don't know. It doesn't even…
• 37:20
  Tad Eggleston: 6?
• 37:21
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Huh.
• 37:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, part 6.
• 37:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, there it is, Part 6. They all missed the boat on Starcrown.
• 37:28
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I read Part 1, and I kinda liked it, but then I didn't read Part 2, and I haven't felt like going back.
• 37:37
  Tad Eggleston: This was a particularly, uninspiring…
• 37:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: text for Galactic Geographic, I thought? Yeah, yeah.
• 37:47
  Tad Eggleston: But I did like the picture.
• 37:49
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I really like the picture. I don't remember anything about the text, other.
• 37:53
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that was…
• 37:54
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Whoa.
• 37:55
  Dillon Gilbertson: That's sort of the problem with it.
• 37:56
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah…
• 37:57
  Tad Eggleston: Whoa, whoa.
• 37:59
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Apparently, what was the name of the planet? Because at the end, they were like.
• 38:04
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And now we come together. Earth, Celeron, Noron, and Woa. Oh my god.
• 38:09
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, God.
• 38:18
  Peter Eggleston Connor: airtight garage.
• 38:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he was doing some serious hatching this issue.
• 38:23
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, this is wild.
• 38:25
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, hell yeah.
• 38:26
  Dillon Gilbertson: It almost doesn't look like.
• 38:27
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's a… I totally didn't realize it was an airtight garage until I went back and read the top of it, and I was like, oh…
• 38:34
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 38:36
  Tad Eggleston: It's almost like a two-page interlude in an airtight Garage, and… Yup. And again, like, I just… I need to read it together. I'm… I'm looking forward to the point where we decide that it's time to read Airtight Garage together, because, like…
• 38:51
  Tad Eggleston: Sometimes I feel like he's just making so many quick cuts that, like, because it's…
• 38:58
  Tad Eggleston: Four months since the last… time you would…
• 39:03
  Tad Eggleston: Did this part of the story, and there were two other story parts in between.
• 39:10
  Tad Eggleston: That, like, holding them all together is just impossible.
• 39:14
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Sure.
• 39:18
  Tad Eggleston: But there's just way too… I mean, A, it's just Mo… I mean, it's Mobius. And while you know he's jamming,
• 39:26
  Tad Eggleston: like, he has all the pages there while he's jamming. He's not having to go, what was I thinking?
• 39:32
  Matt: Yeah, exactly.
• 39:36
  Tad Eggleston: And you just… I can't imagine him putting this detail into it without a purpose.
• 39:43
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Probably not.
• 39:44
  Matt: It's available.
• 39:45
  Tad Eggleston: I love this bottom panel here.
• 39:49
  Tad Eggleston: the big…
• 39:50
  Matt: Explorer.
• 39:51
  Peter Eggleston Connor: circle.
• 39:52
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I don't know if it's a sun, or yeah, I have no idea what it is, even, really. A luminous.
• 39:59
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Point.
• 40:00
  Tad Eggleston: Creates itself.
• 40:01
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, yeah.
• 40:02
  Tad Eggleston: the depths… of his concentration.
• 40:06
  Tad Eggleston: The luminous point grows till it overwhelms him with its total splendor.
• 40:15
  Tad Eggleston: And then on to Monshire Glue Glow.
• 40:19
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I'm on sure.
• 40:23
  Tad Eggleston: This one was one that, that, that qualified, for me, anyway, qualified as cool-looking, but…
• 40:33
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I thought it was funny.
• 40:36
  Tad Eggleston: See, for me, I felt like it was supposed to be funnier than it actually went about.
• 40:43
  Matt: Yes.
• 40:45
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Fair enough.
• 40:47
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I look at it.
• 40:48
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I would agree that it was probably meant to be funnier than it was, but…
• 40:53
  Matt: Do you like how her hair rollers turn into guns and shoot at him, though?
• 40:56
  Tad Eggleston: Right. No, I mean, there's all sorts of little gags.
• 41:01
  Tad Eggleston: at it, and I'm like, I feel like at least each strip is supposed to be a gag strip.
• 41:06
  Matt: You're like, huh?
• 41:07
  Matt: I love how he's got that, Fantastic Four Captain… Mr. Fantastic eyeball coming out to zoom in. That's so funny!
• 41:15
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 41:15
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah. I do like the first one. The first one I thought was pretty good.
• 41:20
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 41:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: Of the three. Just farming wax from this dude's ear while he sleeps?
• 41:25
  Peter Eggleston Connor: He's… he's just farming everything for this dude of the year.
• 41:29
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Like, oh… It's like, it's like, what is he doing? And then it's like, I've got…
• 41:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: First quality wax for your, for your floor, and then it's like…
• 41:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's nice, how about a broom? So he just goes back to the guy and plucks hair to go make a broom.
• 41:52
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I guess this next one is, it turns out he's hiding behind the female?
• 41:59
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yep.
• 42:00
  Tad Eggleston: Trying to hunt, and then instead gets squashed between them as they dance.
• 42:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yes, dance.
• 42:08
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yes, we will say dance.
• 42:15
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, now this last one's funnier to me. I finally got… that…
• 42:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: Her hair rolled…
• 42:23
  Tad Eggleston: My wife is telling him to stop eyeballing, and then he, like, has the thing pop out to look at the ass, has the thing pop out to look at the boobs, and that's when she releases her gun curlers on him.
• 42:39
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, now you got it.
• 42:43
  Tad Eggleston: No, I somehow missed that.
• 42:45
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough.
• 42:46
  Tad Eggleston: I think because I didn't… I agree with you, I think the first strip is the coolest, but, like, it kind of flew over me the first time, too.
• 42:56
  Tad Eggleston: And the second one…
• 43:01
  Tad Eggleston: let's face it, even when I get it, I don't actually think it's that funny. It's just kind of a thing.
• 43:07
  Matt: What?
• 43:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: You get it, so at least it makes sense now.
• 43:10
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 43:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. So by the time I hit the third one, I just wasn't paying enough attention.
• 43:16
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, no, that's fair.
• 43:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'm with you.
• 43:19
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, the second one definitely is probably the weakest part.
• 43:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: So… Love me some Zooks, though.
• 43:30
  Matt: Being board is awesome. I'm voting.
• 43:32
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Cowardly Zooks.
• 43:35
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, sorry, it's called the Sargent Sunflower.
• 43:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: So short.
• 43:43
  Peter Eggleston Connor: This reminds me of Sun Pop.
• 43:46
  Tad Eggleston: Well, it's the same artist.
• 43:47
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, that's what I thought.
• 43:51
  Tad Eggleston: Just not as many boobs.
• 43:52
  Matt: Right, no boobs.
• 43:55
  Peter Eggleston Connor: goal.
• 43:55
  Dillon Gilbertson: for Zukes.
• 43:56
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Feels like a crime, don't you think?
• 43:58
  Tad Eggleston: The art on Dragon World was so good that it almost made me want to read it.
• 44:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: Nope.
• 44:04
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I can, I can, agree with that.
• 44:09
  Dillon Gilbertson: I think…
• 44:09
  Tad Eggleston: She didn't read it.
• 44:11
  Dillon Gilbertson: Every page of Dragon World feels like my favorite panel.
• 44:15
  Tad Eggleston: They are! Beautiful art, but I didn't read it.
• 44:18
  Matt: No, me neither.
• 44:18
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, no, I,
• 44:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I would freely admit, I'm not sure I would have gone back to read it anyways, but I was…
• 44:25
  Tad Eggleston: Kinda dashing to get everything done.
• 44:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, I will probably go back to read Dragon World, if I'm being honest.
• 44:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: Sorry, sorry, audience.
• 44:37
  Tad Eggleston: I do like the Peter Cooper.
• 44:42
  Matt: Yeah, Space Story is awesome.
• 44:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: A space story.
• 44:53
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yep, and very cyclical.
• 44:56
  Matt: Yeah, I enjoyed that a lot.
• 44:57
  Peter Eggleston Connor: You can just re-read it again and again.
• 45:02
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Still accurate.
• 45:03
  Matt: That last panel there is my favorite panel on this issue.
• 45:07
  Peter Eggleston Connor: It's a good found. I'll admit that. I had forgotten about that one, but… That's good.
• 45:18
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Just the… the… I mean, this is actually the second surfing…
• 45:23
  Tad Eggleston: it is.
• 45:23
  Peter Eggleston Connor: In this issue, that's kinda cool.
• 45:25
  Matt: This one felt way more Silver Surfer-y, though, than the first one.
• 45:29
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That is true.
• 45:32
  Tad Eggleston: I also dug Newark City.
• 45:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: I… I thought New York City was brilliant.
• 45:44
  Matt: Yeah, it was good. Definitely good.
• 45:46
  Tad Eggleston: Like the seals in the bathtub.
• 45:49
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 45:52
  Peter Eggleston Connor: He thinks he's going insane, and then he suddenly is like, of course.
• 45:59
  Tad Eggleston: I'm Noah.
• 46:01
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yep.
• 46:10
  Tad Eggleston: the mess… of fadedness.
• 46:15
  Dillon Gilbertson: I wanted to like this one.
• 46:18
  Tad Eggleston: It looks cool.
• 46:19
  Peter Eggleston Connor: It… it does look cool. I don't know that I have much else to say than that.
• 46:27
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Did find that it was entertaining.
• 46:30
  Tad Eggleston: Did you know that the bus is still… I mean, it's back in heavy metal, so… Of course, dude.
• 46:37
  Tad Eggleston: you knew this, but the bus… the bus is still going. Paul Kirchner's got another bus collection coming out soon.
• 46:46
  Matt: Like, a new one?
• 46:47
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Nice.
• 46:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: Fully…
• 46:50
  Tad Eggleston: He hasn't stopped.
• 46:52
  Peter Eggleston Connor: You know, I really take this episode as a bus. It was really, really amusing.
• 46:58
  Dillon Gilbertson: I didn't fully understand it like I did the other ones, just like the.
• 47:01
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Can I pose an idea to you?
• 47:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: Please, please do.
• 47:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: He leaves the bus, he starts walking, he goes inside, he's going to essentially what we think is an apartment, he opens the door, and he's back.
• 47:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: Just the boss again, okay, I see, I see now.
• 47:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: I see now.
• 47:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: That was my interpretation of it.
• 47:23
  Matt: It's the button.
• 47:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's the bus all the way down.
• 47:26
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 47:28
  Matt: Yep.
• 47:29
  Dillon Gilbertson: Alright, I'm on board.
• 47:32
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, it took me some time to figure that one out, but I liked it.
• 47:35
  Matt: You know what's funny? I actually remember when buses had the, coin drop thing on the last panel.
• 47:41
  Tad Eggleston: True.
• 47:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: I mean, the subway still kind of has them, but it's just more of a scan your badge thing anymore.
• 47:50
  Matt: Yeah.
• 47:51
  Dillon Gilbertson: Change your card.
• 47:56
  Tad Eggleston: Aries.
• 48:00
  Tad Eggleston: Had lots of big noses.
• 48:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And a bunch of people who didn't actually have teeth.
• 48:08
  Matt: Yeah. Oh yeah, this was actually kind of funny.
• 48:10
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I didn't also like the.
• 48:13
  Tad Eggleston: The tippet… tipping the top of his head.
• 48:15
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yep.
• 48:16
  Tad Eggleston: Afternoon, sir.
• 48:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And…
• 48:21
  Tad Eggleston: the robot.
• 48:21
  Peter Eggleston Connor: He has another appointment, so he just gives the top of his head to the…
• 48:25
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 48:26
  Peter Eggleston Connor: assistant.
• 48:27
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And then the guy comes in and talks to… talks to what he thinks is the doctor, and turns out to be…
• 48:36
  Matt: The equipment, and the equipment's actually the doctor. It's great.
• 48:40
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 48:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Great.
• 48:43
  Matt: Yeah, this was a fun… this was just a fun little strip.
• 48:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, this could have almost have been in Mad Magazine.
• 48:49
  Matt: Yes.
• 48:52
  Tad Eggleston: Little bit too sci-fi for Mad if it wasn't spoofing a sci-fi.
• 48:57
  Tad Eggleston: But it's got that feel.
• 48:59
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Sure.
• 49:06
  Tad Eggleston: Then we have… Hilostratos.
• 49:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: Then, again…
• 49:15
  Tad Eggleston: She's just a one-pager.
• 49:17
  Dillon Gilbertson: Just an artist who's trying to…
• 49:19
  Peter Eggleston Connor: New page, or…
• 49:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: Better at drawing the outside?
• 49:23
  Tad Eggleston: Something.
• 49:24
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, it's just a spread. That's what I'm doing.
• 49:27
  Dillon Gilbertson: Okay.
• 49:28
  Tad Eggleston: I did enjoy Sympathy for the Devil.
• 49:32
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh yeah, no, I, I know that, like, I've noticed that they were talking about lyrics down at the bottom of the first page.
• 49:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And as soon as I started to catch on.
• 49:46
  Peter Eggleston Connor: to the song, I had to go listen to this song while I read it.
• 49:56
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's pretty great.
• 49:57
  Tad Eggleston: It is. It was funny, because, like, even before getting to this, I'd been thinking that, like…
• 50:06
  Tad Eggleston: I think that there's a lot of… a lot of space for adapting Song lyrics and or poems?
• 50:15
  Tad Eggleston: visually.
• 50:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, I think the same thing, yeah.
• 50:18
  Tad Eggleston: And then… then to… to read this and go, oh yeah, they, they nailed it.
• 50:24
  Matt: For sure.
• 50:28
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I just liked one that was like, please, I meet you, hope you guessed my name. I was like, oh…
• 50:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 50:33
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, I know that song.
• 50:37
  Tad Eggleston: Woohoo!
• 50:39
  Tad Eggleston: Woo, woo.
• 50:42
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yup.
• 50:48
  Tad Eggleston: Mama's Place.
• 50:50
  Tad Eggleston: What's another…
• 50:52
  Matt: Fun read.
• 50:53
  Peter Eggleston Connor: It was a fun range, yeah.
• 50:54
  Tad Eggleston: Honda.
• 50:55
  Matt: Yeah.
• 50:57
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Got these, like, weird lizard people, and they're talking about…
• 51:01
  Tad Eggleston: Lizards and beauties.
• 51:02
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I think… I think it's funny, because it's like, this lizard guy is like, oh, I have this great idea! I'm gonna, like, you know, I know I just want all this money from you guys, and I could just, like, pay… use that to pay to go to mama's place, but instead, I'm gonna stick that money in my shoe, and go to mama's place, and then…
• 51:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Tell them that, you know…
• 51:24
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I left my money in my other pants and get away with it. I'm like, what makes you think you're gonna get.
• 51:30
  Matt: Yeah.
• 51:37
  Tad Eggleston: It's just like the lizards.
• 51:39
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And then I also really liked the very end of Mama's Place.
• 51:43
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, the…
• 51:44
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Like, he sees people and is like, help me! And then they're like.
• 51:48
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, I wonder what hap- it makes me wonder what happened to our old pal, Bob.
• 51:53
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And they just shop off at, like…
• 52:01
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Mmm, great.
• 52:04
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Great.
• 52:07
  Tad Eggleston: Is Mark Hamill praying?
• 52:11
  Peter Eggleston Connor: The Mark Hamill.
• 52:13
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I guess it looks more like Mark Hamill now than Mark Hamill then.
• 52:17
  Dillon Gilbertson: Confederate Mark Hamill.
• 52:18
  Matt: Yeah, for sure.
• 52:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I'm putting my camel.
• 52:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: I liked this one.
• 52:24
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 52:24
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, I enjoyed it. Yeah.
• 52:27
  Dillon Gilbertson: I really liked, I think, the next page, when, like, he decays. This one was really cool.
• 52:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 52:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: I really liked this whole page.
• 52:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Is this decaying? I thought it was weird, because it looks like he's a robot, and then he's a human, and then he's a skull.
• 52:41
  Dillon Gilbertson: Well, I think he's devolving, or he's going backwards, I guess, he's…
• 52:46
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, okay.
• 52:47
  Dillon Gilbertson: returning to the Earth, or whatever.
• 52:49
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I just really liked the pictures, and, you know, took it as something that was meant to be dark and meaningful, but didn't know what the hell it was, so…
• 52:59
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I also love that, like, you're zooming in on him to get to… you can see, like…
• 53:09
  Dillon Gilbertson: Okay, inside… inside the machine, there's just man, but inside man, there's just…
• 53:13
  Tad Eggleston: And then you zoom in on the man to the skull, and then the skull.
• 53:19
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, it's just like.
• 53:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: identity.
• 53:21
  Peter Eggleston Connor: resume, I guess. It's great.
• 53:24
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 53:27
  Dillon Gilbertson: Really, man.
• 53:29
  Dillon Gilbertson: Whoever wrote it's kind of naff, but whatever.
• 53:32
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 53:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: Whoever wrote that's full of shit, probably a hack.
• 53:38
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's not gonna make it anywhere.
• 53:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, yeah, no, the.
• 53:45
  Tad Eggleston: Isn't his name Matthew?
• 53:50
  Dillon Gilbertson: No, it's Mark.
• 53:52
  Tad Eggleston: Was it Mark?
• 53:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: Mark Hamill.
• 53:54
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 53:55
  Matt: Him too.
• 54:01
  Dillon Gilbertson: Good job.
• 54:02
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That cover is pretty cool, too.
• 54:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, agreed.
• 54:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: Get back cover.
• 54:10
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Don't know what's going on with it. I mean, looks like there's a face and a bunch of eyes, or an extra eye.
• 54:17
  Tad Eggleston: The, the long… the long version, which is, which is this one, is… is from Matthew.
• 54:26
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, no, noisy.
• 54:27
  Tad Eggleston: shorter version from Luke.
• 54:30
  Tad Eggleston: So Luke is kind of like Mark.
• 54:32
  Tad Eggleston: Mark played… Oh!
• 54:37
  Matt: Yeah, that's true.
• 54:39
  Dillon Gilbertson: Wow.
• 54:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, so, to our listeners,
• 54:46
  Peter Eggleston Connor: They… the Amber 2 is… is literally…
• 54:51
  Tad Eggleston: father, who…
• 54:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's just the Lord's Prayer.
• 54:55
  Tad Eggleston: be thy name.
• 54:56
  Dillon Gilbertson: Lord's Prayer.
• 54:57
  Matt: Which is funny, having sympathy for the devil being illustrated, and the Lord's Prayer illustration in the same issue.
• 55:05
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 55:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Pretty… You know, we got, we got surfers, and we got… religion. What do you know?
• 55:17
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 55:20
  Tad Eggleston: I know my choices.
• 55:22
  Tad Eggleston: I'm pretty sure I know my choice… The story was tough.
• 55:27
  Matt: Oh, yeah.
• 55:28
  Tad Eggleston: And with my original… call-on story, but Amber… Sympathy for the devil…
• 55:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, we had 3 religious stores, because we also did New York City.
• 55:40
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, yeah.
• 55:41
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 55:41
  Matt: Yeah? Yes, we did.
• 55:43
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Nope.
• 55:43
  Matt: That's right.
• 55:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: others.
• 55:46
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, it's like ground, heaven, and man.
• 55:51
  Dillon Gilbertson: I think the first one is my favorite story, I think.
• 55:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 55:55
  Dillon Gilbertson: The timeout.
• 55:56
  Dillon Gilbertson: Time open.
• 55:56
  Tad Eggleston: Which is also somewhat religious, because it's a creation story.
• 56:00
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, yeah.
• 56:03
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, timeline was really good. I'm gonna save it for the… my favorite panel, though. I mean, like, I could do a double up, but…
• 56:11
  Tad Eggleston: I… I am… I'm doubling up. Time Out is my favorite story, and that… that two-page spread is my favorite panel.
• 56:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Probably my favorite panel.
• 56:22
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Well, let's do panel first, I guess.
• 56:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: I mean, my favorite panels from a story I didn't even read.
• 56:29
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, right, yep.
• 56:32
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yup.
• 56:33
  Tad Eggleston: So, are you… are you going with this panel too, Peter?
• 56:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yes, I'm definitely going over the balance.
• 56:38
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 56:39
  Peter Eggleston Connor: the entire issue, I'm… I don't even have any questions about, like, I…
• 56:44
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I get what you're saying with the, like, you know, the next two being really good, too, and they are, but they're… I don't…
• 56:50
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, I, I… I'm going with the same panel as you are.
• 56:56
  Tad Eggleston: Matt, are you sticking with.
• 56:59
  Matt: The last page of a space story.
• 57:01
  Tad Eggleston: this one.
• 57:01
  Matt: He won in my… yeah, that one.
• 57:04
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 57:04
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Good one, too.
• 57:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: My favorite one is the dude with the scythe in Dragon World.
• 57:10
  Tad Eggleston: This one.
• 57:11
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah. Look at that guy.
• 57:14
  Matt: That's a great panel.
• 57:17
  Matt: I feel like you can pick any of the Dragon World art and be in a good, place.
• 57:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, yeah, no problem.
• 57:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: Say.
• 57:21
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Fair enough.
• 57:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: I didn't read the story, but I'll be damned if it's not my favorite one.
• 57:25
  Matt: Yep.
• 57:26
  Dillon Gilbertson: Favorite panel, at least.
• 57:28
  Tad Eggleston: So my favorite story is Time Out Opus.
• 57:31
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, mine favor when it's timeout opens.
• 57:35
  Peter Eggleston Connor: See, for me, I'm… I'm gone… I'm…
• 57:39
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I'm having trouble between Sympathy with the Devil and, New York City.
• 57:43
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I think one of those is my favorite story.
• 57:45
  Matt: This is a tough episode, too. It is.
• 57:49
  Tad Eggleston: Well, it's particularly for story, because.
• 57:51
  Matt: there's only.
• 57:51
  Tad Eggleston: only really 3… ongoing, and one of those is more of a serialized than an ongoing.
• 58:01
  Dillon Gilbertson: Which is gonna be…
• 58:02
  Peter Eggleston Connor: my favorite ongoing.
• 58:04
  Tad Eggleston: Yes, mine too!
• 58:06
  Matt: Wiz, what is?
• 58:08
  Tad Eggleston: the boss.
• 58:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: The Zoox is… the Zooks isn't ongoing.
• 58:11
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, yeah, okay.
• 58:13
  Peter Eggleston Connor: 4.
• 58:14
  Tad Eggleston: for ongoing. Good call.
• 58:17
  Peter Eggleston Connor: recall out…
• 58:18
  Matt: Yeah.
• 58:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Story.
• 58:20
  Tad Eggleston: for Matt and Peter.
• 58:24
  Matt: It's tough.
• 58:25
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I'm gonna go with Sympathy for the devil. I was kind of hesitant yesterday as I was going through it, because
• 58:33
  Peter Eggleston Connor: It, I feel like, because it had that, like, musical note, I was giving it preference, but I'm still gonna go with it.
• 58:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: Awesome. I…
• 58:43
  Tad Eggleston: I think the fact that…
• 58:46
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's one that you have to know the song for it to evoke it, but, like, I start hearing the song.
• 58:54
  Tad Eggleston: As I'm playing.
• 58:55
  Peter Eggleston Connor: as I said, I had to go back, like, I started… I started reading it, and once I
• 59:00
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Sorry it got to that point where, like, oh, this is, like, Dark, I know.
• 59:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I had to go start playing the song, and just, like…
• 59:09
  Peter Eggleston Connor: read along to the song. That's literally what I had to do.
• 59:15
  Matt: I was gonna go with Newark City, but I'm definitely… I'm sticking with a space story as my favorite story.
• 59:20
  Tad Eggleston: That's a good call, too.
• 59:23
  Matt: Yeah.
• 59:29
  Tad Eggleston: That's a very…
• 59:31
  Matt: I'm gonna be true to myself.
• 59:35
  Peter Eggleston Connor: You can be true to yourself, man.
• 59:37
  Matt: You be true to yourself.
• 59:42
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 59:43
  Tad Eggleston: So… Peter and I are with the bus.
• 59:48
  Tad Eggleston: They're ongoing.
• 59:51
  Tad Eggleston: Dylan?
• 59:52
  Matt: I'm gonna tag on to that, just because the other ongoings are…
• 59:57
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I almost went airtight garage.
• 1:00:02
  Tad Eggleston: Just because it was so detailed and so beautiful.
• 1:00:08
  Tad Eggleston: that I have a feeling that when I read it all together, it's gonna be a…
• 1:00:12
  Tad Eggleston: Big deal pair of pages.
• 1:00:17
  Tad Eggleston: But the bus was just fucking great.
• 1:00:19
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'm also, I'm also going with the bus.
• 1:00:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:00:24
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I… the bus is very quickly becoming… Like, other than Mobius…
• 1:00:34
  Tad Eggleston: like, the thing that I associate most with heavy metal.
• 1:00:38
  Tad Eggleston: It's like Mobius and the bus, to me, like, represent heavy metal.
• 1:00:43
  Tad Eggleston: At this point.
• 1:00:45
  Matt: That's very interesting, because I don't think I ever would have… Put the bus…
• 1:00:51
  Matt: With that high of a, like…
• 1:00:55
  Tad Eggleston: I…
• 1:00:56
  Matt: When you think of heavy metal, you think of the bus, you know?
• 1:00:58
  Tad Eggleston: No, but let me explain it, because it's not… it's not as simple as, like, when I think of heavy metal, I think of the bus, it's that, like…
• 1:01:08
  Tad Eggleston: When I think of heavy metal, I think of Mobius.
• 1:01:11
  Tad Eggleston: But in terms of defining heavy metal, the bus is the, like…
• 1:01:17
  Matt: type of.
• 1:01:17
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, it's mostly fantasy, and when it's not fantasy, it's sci-fi. It's the glue that holds it together.
• 1:01:24
  Matt: Yep. That's true. Yeah, I get it.
• 1:01:26
  Tad Eggleston: Good.
• 1:01:26
  Matt: You're not wrong.
• 1:01:27
  Tad Eggleston: Just a little bit weird. We're gonna print it anyway.
• 1:01:31
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  Tad Eggleston: Y-you know, it…
• 1:01:34
  Tad Eggleston: It's kind of like the, yeah, we're mostly a fantasy magazine, and, you know, maybe a sci-fi fantasy magazine, but also, we don't have any fucking rules.
• 1:01:46
  Matt: Right, we'll throw some mindfuckers in there for ya.
• 1:01:50
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Heck yeah.
• 1:01:50
  Tad Eggleston: Right, you know… It's like MC Escher in… in narrative form.
• 1:01:57
  Matt: Right. Anything goes.
• 1:02:00
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:02:03
  Tad Eggleston: So, I mean, and for that matter, the way it's split with a Devo ad in such a way that it takes you a minute to go, oh, that's just an ad.
• 1:02:14
  Matt: Yep, I need to read this and not that. Yep.
• 1:02:17
  Tad Eggleston: Right!
• 1:02:20
  Matt: I did that, so I get it.
• 1:02:22
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I love how it's always paired with stuff where you're like, oh, this just looks like Kazana, and then you're like, oh wait, no, this is actually, like.
• 1:02:29
  Peter Eggleston Connor: a half-page comic.
• 1:02:32
  Matt: Yeah.
• 1:02:33
  Tad Eggleston: You either almost miss it, because it's something just thrown in with, like, the letters page.
• 1:02:38
  Matt: Or it's, like, ad stuff, and you, like, read it, and then you get to the ad, and you're like, oh, wait, that's just an ad.
• 1:02:46
  Matt: We got.
• 1:02:47
  Peter Eggleston Connor: What the heck?
• 1:02:47
  Matt: It's a real thing.
• 1:02:48
  Peter Eggleston Connor: was, I was like… Oh, D.Va, second album? Okay, second out.
• 1:02:53
  Tad Eggleston: Right. I literally had to get… even though I saw the Devo there.
• 1:02:58
  Tad Eggleston: I had to get down to the Devo's second album to go. Oh, yeah!
• 1:03:03
  Dillon Gilbertson: He didn't walk…
• 1:03:04
  Tad Eggleston: banned!
• 1:03:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: I didn't walk into a Devo concert.
• 1:03:07
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:03:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: The bus is… The bus is just Devo's second album.
• 1:03:13
  Tad Eggleston: No, that's… you know how buses have, like, signs up inside, you know, advertising?
• 1:03:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:19
  Tad Eggleston: It's the advertisement in the, in the bus.
• 1:03:21
  Matt: Could be.
• 1:03:21
  Tad Eggleston: It's why he went back, because it's like he got off the bus, and as he was getting to his apartment door, he went…
• 1:03:28
  Tad Eggleston: I really want to go to a Devo show, and it talked about a Devo show in that bus, I should just go back.
• 1:03:35
  Tad Eggleston: She just opened…
• 1:03:37
  Peter Eggleston Connor: door.
• 1:03:38
  Tad Eggleston: door.
• 1:03:39
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Both.
• 1:03:42
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I don't know.
• 1:03:44
  Tad Eggleston: There was Deebo!
• 1:03:47
  Dillon Gilbertson: What do we got? What do we got coming up next time?
• 1:03:50
  Tad Eggleston: Coming up next time… let us see…
• 1:03:54
  Peter Eggleston Connor: 1979-09, is that?
• 1:03:57
  Tad Eggleston: September of 1979… Let's see what it looks like…
• 1:04:04
  Peter Eggleston Connor: We don't have enough digital copies of the new stuff.
• 1:04:09
  Tad Eggleston: No, Issue 3 just came out.
• 1:04:12
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's true.
• 1:04:14
  Tad Eggleston: They… well, I mean, what they're doing digitally is… you can only read it on their website, you can't download it.
• 1:04:23
  Matt: That's…
• 1:04:23
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, right.
• 1:04:24
  Tad Eggleston: I don't have a way to share it, I don't even have a way to read it if I'm not connected to the internet.
• 1:04:31
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Other than to read it.
• 1:04:32
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, that kind of frustrates me. It was really good, so, like, when and if you guys get your issue 1s…
• 1:04:40
  Tad Eggleston: Or Issue 2s, rather, you know, we should roll.
• 1:04:44
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  Tad Eggleston: Endora.
• 1:04:46
  Peter Eggleston Connor: actually go. I issued to…
• 1:04:49
  Tad Eggleston: And Issue 3 came out this week, though, not to subscribers. They had an issue…
• 1:04:54
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Like, it's in the shops.
• 1:04:58
  Tad Eggleston: But they didn't manage to get it to most of their subscribers, and, like, they're still trying to figure out what's going on.
• 1:05:05
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 1:05:06
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Okay.
• 1:05:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:05:07
  Peter Eggleston Connor: As long as it's something where it's like, okay, this is something we gotta fix.
• 1:05:11
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, they're off to an interesting beginning.
• 1:05:15
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 1:05:17
  Tad Eggleston: Looks like we get 2… Two airtight garage chapters.
• 1:05:22
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Do we get anything, new starting.
• 1:05:27
  Tad Eggleston: We get some… we get some Gray Morrow. Buck Rogers.
• 1:05:31
  Tad Eggleston: In the 25th century, with gray marker.
• 1:05:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: Wow, yeah.
• 1:05:34
  Tad Eggleston: art?
• 1:05:35
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Not Dodgers? That's great!
• 1:05:37
  Dillon Gilbertson: Let's move along.
• 1:05:38
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Duck Dodgers!
• 1:05:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Sorry, bad joke. Anyhow.
• 1:05:43
  Tad Eggleston: Another… Val Merrick has the back cover.
• 1:05:48
  Tad Eggleston: Another Chantel Montelier.
• 1:05:50
  Tad Eggleston: And a.
• 1:05:51
  Peter Eggleston Connor: rough.
• 1:05:52
  Tad Eggleston: Elric… Michael Moorcock's story.
• 1:05:55
  Dillon Gilbertson: Fuck was going on there? That was weird.
• 1:05:57
  Tad Eggleston: Soft landing looks kinda cool.
• 1:06:00
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, I remember… go back to soft landing, that's… that's, that's…
• 1:06:06
  Matt: It's such an awesome issue.
• 1:06:07
  Dillon Gilbertson: We can't go back, we have to just go forward, this is… this is all teaser.
• 1:06:11
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, this looks like an awesome issue. Sounds good. I was curious, it's fine.
• 1:06:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: Never. Be curious when you read it.
• 1:06:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Thanks, Ellen.
• 1:06:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: You're welcome, Peter.
• 1:06:24
  Peter Eggleston Connor: There you go.
• 1:06:27
  Tad Eggleston: There's your soft landing again.
• 1:06:30
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, it's like that one that we saw, where he, like, comes out of the sky and lands.
• 1:06:34
  Peter Eggleston Connor: But it's different.
• 1:06:36
  Matt: Well, that's been a common theme throughout heavy metal. It was in the movie, it's been in several issues.
• 1:06:43
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
• 1:06:44
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Alright.
• 1:06:46
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I was wondering if they had any, like, new.
• 1:06:48
  Tad Eggleston: Rogers looks kinda cool.
• 1:06:50
  Matt: It looks long, too, which is nice.
• 1:06:55
  Peter Eggleston Connor: We need another, like, Arabian Night story, or something.
• 1:07:00
  Matt: Hmm. Anything Corbin would be good.
• 1:07:02
  Tad Eggleston: I'm certain that there's more Den coming.
• 1:07:06
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, eventually.
• 1:07:10
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Grail War is a story, like, a prison story?
• 1:07:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: Fuck, this issue looks rad.
• 1:07:17
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Some pretty cool-looking art there.
• 1:07:21
  Tad Eggleston: The bus looks fun.
• 1:07:24
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Food.
• 1:07:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: I am excited to read.
• 1:07:25
  Peter Eggleston Connor: between… More stuff to read, like, read-read.
• 1:07:30
  Tad Eggleston: Or not.
• 1:07:31
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I wasn't saying we were gonna read it.
• 1:07:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'm gonna report back on Dragon World next time.
• 1:07:38
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, are… is that the second only connect in this issue?
• 1:07:43
  Tad Eggleston: I think maybe?
• 1:07:44
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I thought, so we get more Only Connect, that's cool.
• 1:07:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: Who knows, man.
• 1:07:49
  Peter Eggleston Connor: This one reminds me of Dracula. Oh, wait, no, this is that one that…
• 1:07:52
  Tad Eggleston: more telefield.
• 1:07:53
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah…
• 1:07:54
  Tad Eggleston: Huh.
• 1:07:55
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Is this the end of Telefield? I think they made mention in this one that we just read that Telefield wasn't in it, and we had to wait for the ending.
• 1:08:02
  Tad Eggleston: Possible.
• 1:08:04
  Peter Eggleston Connor: It might be the end of Telefield.
• 1:08:07
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Listeners, we might be ending Telefield soon. We'll find out.
• 1:08:11
  Tad Eggleston: Way, way back in 1979.
• 1:08:14
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, way back in 1970.
• 1:08:19
  Matt: Ulrich looks promising.
• 1:08:21
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Which looks promising?
• 1:08:23
  Matt: Elric? Yeah, we're looking at it right now.
• 1:08:24
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:08:25
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 1:08:27
  Tad Eggleston: Though, it's mostly text.
• 1:08:29
  Matt: Yeah, I'll re- I'll probably read this one, though.
• 1:08:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  Peter Eggleston Connor: We'll see. I might graze the text and… You know, just… Check out the eye candy.
• 1:08:44
  Tad Eggleston: And we do.
• 1:08:45
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Like, go back a few… there's this… the weird one that reminds me of the one we saw in this issue, where, like, oh, it looks cool, but, like…
• 1:08:55
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And it's, like, all floaty, cloudy-looking stuff.
• 1:09:00
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Do you think?
• 1:09:01
  Tad Eggleston: It is, it is from the same…
• 1:09:03
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, same, same thing. Same, same.
• 1:09:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: It's continuation of it?
• 1:09:07
  Tad Eggleston: No, I don't know if it's the same story, but it's the same.
• 1:09:11
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Same artist.
• 1:09:12
  Dillon Gilbertson: Go ahead.
• 1:09:13
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:09:13
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's fair.
• 1:09:16
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's fair, that's fair, that's fair, that's fair.
• 1:09:19
  Dillon Gilbertson: Right on.
• 1:09:19
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, so it looks cool. We do have a metal Erlant that I can share out.
• 1:09:26
  Dillon Gilbertson: Mmm.
• 1:09:28
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 1:09:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: Metal system.
• 1:09:33
  Tad Eggleston: We have options.
• 1:09:35
  Tad Eggleston: I, I definitely want to do this.
• 1:09:38
  Tad Eggleston: Look at that!
• 1:09:40
  Tad Eggleston: There, there was a collected New Tales of the Arabian Nights.
• 1:09:46
  Tad Eggleston: with a Harlan Ellison Introduction.
• 1:09:56
  Dillon Gilbertson: Cool.
• 1:09:57
  Tad Eggleston: One of my favorite heavy metal covers.
• 1:09:59
  Dillon Gilbertson: Looking forward to it.
• 1:10:01
  Matt: The back cover is sick.
• 1:10:03
  Tad Eggleston: I like the robot playing harmonica. The, like, funky robot.
• 1:10:08
  Matt: Elvis Funky Robot.
• 1:10:09
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:10:10
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Elvis Funky Robot.
• 1:10:13
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, Matt…
• 1:10:18
  Matt: We'll continue after the next page.