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Tech Friday w/ Dave Hatter - Sponsored by Intrust IT - 4/24/2026 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: With Tech Friday's Dave hat Or his company intrust dot
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to business computer needs. You need interest
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  Speaker 1: it and I appreciate Dave your company sponsoring this segment.
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  Speaker 1: I find it so valuable. And I hope my listeners
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  Speaker 1: pay attention to what you have to say. And would
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  Speaker 1: it be nice if people in charge of water treatment
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  Speaker 1: plants also paid attention to what you have to say,
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  Speaker 1: because maybe they could prevent a ransomware attack. Welcome back,
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  Speaker 1: my friend.
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  Speaker 2: Always good to be here, Brian. And yeah, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: I have been concerned about this critical infrastructure thing for
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  Speaker 2: a long time. You and I have talked about it
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  Speaker 2: many times in many different contexts. The FBI keeps warning
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  Speaker 2: about this DHS Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency, and recently now
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  Speaker 2: we've seen another attack. And you know, the point I'm
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  Speaker 2: always trying to make Brian about all of these things
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  Speaker 2: is there was a time in the not too distant
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  Speaker 2: past where things were mechanical and you didn't have to
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  Speaker 2: worry about foreign hackers attacking them, shutting them down, causing chaos, death,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera in the streets of the United States because
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  Speaker 2: they were mechanical. Now again, I feel somewhat complicit in
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  Speaker 2: this because I spent twenty five years as a software
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  Speaker 2: engineer writing software to automate things. Yeah, that's what I did,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And I also under yeah, well you know,
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  Speaker 2: I understand all the flaws and software that human beings create.
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  Speaker 2: That this has come up the news lately with AI
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  Speaker 2: and so forth. But my point is is we make
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  Speaker 2: things smart quote unquote digital, interconnected, relying on embedded software
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  Speaker 2: that creates opportunities for the bad guys to attack these
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  Speaker 2: same devices in the same way they would any other device. Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we've talked about computers and servers and networks
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. Well, now you know the sensors
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  Speaker 2: and plants are electronic, the switches that control things are electronic,
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  Speaker 2: the valves, everything is digital. And the bad guys know this.
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  Speaker 2: You know, i'd remind your listeners to go back and
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  Speaker 2: check out stucksnet and what happened to the Iranians back
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  Speaker 2: in twenty ten with the the uranium and Richmond devices
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  Speaker 2: that we're torn up. Now we see an attack on
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  Speaker 2: a water plant again where you know, if we don't
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  Speaker 2: get serious about protecting the stuff, Brian, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: have a catastrophe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. And I read an article
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  Speaker 1: the other day. It was just a release, a report
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  Speaker 1: that came out and an also came out confidential. It
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  Speaker 1: was from the federal government about the election system. It
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  Speaker 1: was a twenty twenty memoranium just released. I guess it
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  Speaker 1: was by the Justice Department, so we had an idea
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  Speaker 1: of what was going on, and they determined that there
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  Speaker 1: are all kinds of ways for the Chinese Communist Party
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  Speaker 1: of the North Koreans, the Russians, I guess, any other
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  Speaker 1: the Faries state actor out there to hack into or
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  Speaker 1: otherwise impact our election systems. Same kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so anything, Brian, that's smart. Quote unquote, And this
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  Speaker 2: is a great quote from a guy named Miko Opponent.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a huge fans and if you're a nerd like me,
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  Speaker 2: he's big in this space. He's well known. He's great
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  Speaker 2: for coming up with useful ways to describe this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Like one quote he gave it a Ted talk, which
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  Speaker 2: I love. We're no longer securing computers with securing society.
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  Speaker 2: We're getting back to your vote machine. Idea or these
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  Speaker 2: water plants or any kind of critical infrastructure. He's famous
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  Speaker 2: and he wrote a book called If it's Smart, It's vulnerable.
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  Speaker 2: And as we make things quote smarter, more software. This
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  Speaker 2: is connected to that. This relies on that you're just
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  Speaker 2: making it unless you start out with the principle of
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  Speaker 2: secure by design. This is something also from the Cybersecurity
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  Speaker 2: and Infrastructure Security Agency. What's I'm a big fan of
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  Speaker 2: the idea that you're going to build the software or
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  Speaker 2: security and robustness and resilience first, that's its primary goal.
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  Speaker 2: Unless you start with that, and that's not the case
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  Speaker 2: for most of this stuff. You're building things that are
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  Speaker 2: going to be vulnerable, and if you don't patch the software,
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  Speaker 2: don't test it, you're setting yourself up for the kind
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  Speaker 2: of things we're seeing here, like this water plant in Mino,
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  Speaker 2: South Dakota.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a parallel problem we have with most
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  Speaker 1: every single government program. If they're designed to get money
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  Speaker 1: out into the world, but they don't do anything to
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  Speaker 1: protect us from getting ripped off.
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  Speaker 2: Its frustrating for me because again I have personally been
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  Speaker 2: warning about this critical infrastructure stuff for a long time,
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  Speaker 2: and there are Brian, there are people a lot smarter
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  Speaker 2: than me, a lot more well connected in the site,
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  Speaker 2: in the critical infrastructure space than me, who have been saying, look, folks,
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  Speaker 2: we have got to get serious. The FBI defines sixteen
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  Speaker 2: critical infrastructure sectors. We have got to focus on hardening
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  Speaker 2: these things, improving the security before catastrophe happens. That it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't even have to be a foreign adversary. It could
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  Speaker 2: just be bad software causes an outage. Think of the
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  Speaker 2: crowd strike thing a few years ago that shut down
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  Speaker 2: tens of millions of Windows computers. We've got to get
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  Speaker 2: serious about protecting these things, especially things like water and
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  Speaker 2: the electric create and the.
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  Speaker 1: Telecompsis and the iHeartMedia streaming app. Yes, I heard you
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  Speaker 1: know why that went down. I'm gonna let somebody tell
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  Speaker 1: me about that. Don't so, don't throw any conclusions and
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  Speaker 1: don't go away. We got more to talk about scammers
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  Speaker 1: using fake sexy Maga girl to grift stupid MACEDI talk
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  Speaker 1: station in trust it, that's where you find Da've had
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  Speaker 1: on the crew for you. Compisit of your business computer needs?
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  Speaker 1: And thanks for sponsoring segment. You know, I never underestimate
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  Speaker 1: the stupidity of people at large generally speaking, and when
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  Speaker 1: you incorporate artificial intelligence and Google geminised Nana Banana prouh,
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  Speaker 1: you can tap into the ignorant people out in the
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  Speaker 1: world day. This is pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 2: It is amazing, and it's it's a little scary Brian,
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  Speaker 2: less so because of the initial focus story, but more
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  Speaker 2: so around the idea that AI is at a point
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  Speaker 2: now where you can generate incredibly realistic deep fake content
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  Speaker 2: and whether it's used and you know, you could argue
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  Speaker 2: whether this is legitimate or not. I mean, if someone
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  Speaker 2: wants to follow a fright AI generated person online and
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  Speaker 2: wants to send them money and buy pictures of a
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  Speaker 2: person that doesn't exist, well, okay, that's on them.
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  Speaker 1: A sucker board every minute. There's a sucker board every minute, Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes there is. And this is basically some medical student
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out ways to make money. He asked,
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  Speaker 2: he AI suggested makes some influencer type things. He eventually,
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  Speaker 2: according to him, and per the reporting on it, according
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  Speaker 2: to him, it was suggested that he make a quote
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  Speaker 2: I'm quoting from the article here, Brian, hot girl and
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  Speaker 2: maga conservative niche and he said, once he started doing this,
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  Speaker 2: so this is a twenty two year old man using
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  Speaker 2: AI to generate realistic photos, videos, et cetera of a
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  Speaker 2: woman that does not exist. And I'm going to just
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  Speaker 2: read from the articles. So January, Sam created Emily Hart,
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  Speaker 2: a registered nurse and Jennifer Lewnce look alike. On an
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  Speaker 2: Instagram account for Emily, Sam posted photos of ice fishing,
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  Speaker 2: drinking Coors Light, and shooting off a few rounds at
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  Speaker 2: the rifle range with emotivating captains like if you want
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  Speaker 2: a reason to unfollow, Christ is King, so on and
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  Speaker 2: so forth.
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  Speaker 1: So a bunch of conservative statements Christ's King, abortion is murder.
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  Speaker 1: All egles must be illegals must be important, hitting the
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  Speaker 1: nerve of the hardcore maga conservative niche that AI told
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  Speaker 1: him to create, which is weird. He was unsuccessfulhen he
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  Speaker 1: first started this. He created a hot AI generated chick
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  Speaker 1: that no one clicked on because it didn't have any
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  Speaker 1: political affiliation or anything. This solidified who she was. Enter
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  Speaker 1: this Emily Hart character that is a hardcore maga conservative.
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  Speaker 1: Next thing you know, he's getting three million to five
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  Speaker 1: million to ten million views. He said, huh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, since I was spending maybe thirty to fifty minutes
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  Speaker 2: a day making good money for a medical school student,
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  Speaker 2: and then the article goes on to point out that
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  Speaker 2: he's not the only person doing this. And the bigger
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  Speaker 2: issue again, I myself, personally, I don't care that much
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  Speaker 2: about this story. Again, if you can't figure out that
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  Speaker 2: this stuff is fake and you want to follow it
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  Speaker 2: and send the money or whatever, you're an adult, that's
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  Speaker 2: on you. My bigger concern is, again, this stuff is
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  Speaker 2: at such a quality now where folks believe these people
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  Speaker 2: are real, that this stuff is real, and whether you
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  Speaker 2: want to look at it from the perspective again of
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  Speaker 2: just AI slop that is now taking over the internet
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  Speaker 2: with all this focus AI stuff, or again, I just
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  Speaker 2: want to reiterate, folks, if you don't believe this stuff
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  Speaker 2: is good enough to fool you your loved ones. The
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  Speaker 2: FBI has reported on this extensively. They said over a
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  Speaker 2: million complaints came into the Crime Complaints Center last year,
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  Speaker 2: many of them were fueled by AI twenty one billion
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  Speaker 2: almost in loss last year. This stuff is going to
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  Speaker 2: be used, is being used and is going to be
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  Speaker 2: used to create very realistic content to scam people. And
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  Speaker 2: you've got to understand, folks, we're at a place now
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  Speaker 2: where you simply cannot believe anything that you see online anymore,
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  Speaker 2: if you've got to vetit or you're eventually going to
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  Speaker 2: get scammed.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this guy even said, and I'm looking at the article,
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  Speaker 1: few of the fans cared whether this AI generated Emily
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  Speaker 1: was real or not. And that speaks to maybe the
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  Speaker 1: reality of AI. Listen, if you know it's AI, but
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  Speaker 1: you like looking at that content that is generated, and
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  Speaker 1: you appreciate maybe some of the conservative banter comments that
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  Speaker 1: also probably are artificially created, maybe you're getting some value
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  Speaker 1: for the money you choose to send over it. I
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  Speaker 1: like this even though it's AI. I'd like to pay
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  Speaker 1: for it because I want to keep seeing it and
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  Speaker 1: getting it. It appeals to me. I mean, dumb as
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  Speaker 1: that may be. I listen, I maybe I buy things
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  Speaker 1: that people think is a dumb idea too. It's subjective.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you there again, Brian. My issue with this
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  Speaker 2: story is, I get it. We are at a place
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  Speaker 2: now where this technology can be used to create content
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  Speaker 2: that is so realistic it's easy to fool people, and
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  Speaker 2: it is and will continue to be used for scams.
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  Speaker 2: We got we gotta wise up, folks and realize that again,
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  Speaker 2: you can't really trust anything that comes in a digital
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  Speaker 2: form in less and until you have vetted it somehow
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  Speaker 2: or in the case like this, I mean, if you
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  Speaker 2: think it's cool to be following, liking, spending money on
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  Speaker 2: something that's totally fake, well, okay, I just don't get that, Dave,
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  Speaker 2: I don't right anyway.
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  Speaker 1: World's field idiots, Fine, knock yourself out. It's a free world,
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  Speaker 1: free country. You do what you want, and then Dave
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  Speaker 1: and I can comment on how stupid what you're doing
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  Speaker 1: is six forty five. Don't go away. Here's a quick
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  Speaker 1: sound piece of advice. Dave's going to be bringing it
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  Speaker 1: back and putting some flesh on the bones of don't
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  Speaker 1: use Chinese made products. Sounds like tom in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: you'll find and you can get all the articles we
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  Speaker 1: talked about, including this risk of Chinese produced cellular models.
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  Speaker 1: This goes back to your stay the hell away of
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  Speaker 1: Internet things, internet of things devices. We got our genuine
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  Speaker 1: security problem on our hand. This is scary, Dave.
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  Speaker 2: It really is scary, Brian. And it again it goes
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  Speaker 2: back to that critical infrastructure thing I keep bringing up.
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  Speaker 2: And before we dive into this, I just want to
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  Speaker 2: give you one one other recent thing from the FBI.
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  Speaker 2: It's a joint advisory with many other agencies. Scissa an
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  Speaker 2: essay someone out of the UK. Here's the headline defending
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  Speaker 2: against China and excess covert networks of compromised devices. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this just came out and part of the way these
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  Speaker 2: devices might be compromised is what we're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about here, which was a recent report from the Foundation
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  Speaker 2: for the Defensive Democracies and the two people to put
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  Speaker 2: it together, one of them is a rear admiral guy
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  Speaker 2: named Mark Montgomery. So I mean this is someone that
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  Speaker 2: actually has some insight into this, and they basically explain
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  Speaker 2: that somewhere around half of all so called smart devices, right,
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  Speaker 2: you're refrigerator, your doorbell, the crying down at the port,
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  Speaker 2: your coffee maker, the switches in your factory, the.
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  Speaker 1: Bird, the camera in the bird feeder.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the security system in your business. You know. I
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  Speaker 2: guess the bigger point I'm trying to make here, brain
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  Speaker 2: is this is not just consumer stuff. This is stuff
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  Speaker 2: in businesses that are part of the critical infrastructure we
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  Speaker 2: keep talking about. And they say, here, not just American homes,
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  Speaker 2: but also its power grid, sports, hospitals, transportation networks, and
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  Speaker 2: ship to short cranes increasingly rely on cellular modules. Think
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  Speaker 2: a cellultor chip that allows these things to connect over
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  Speaker 2: the cellular network through the internet, right right, That makes
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  Speaker 2: them smart and capable of remote control, et cetera. Again,
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  Speaker 2: the idea behind this is good right automation, data collection,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. Then they go on to say, in theory,
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  Speaker 2: these modules can shut down their host devices in addition
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  Speaker 2: to collecting massive amounts of data. This is possible because
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  Speaker 2: the manufacturers of cellular modules maintain remote access to the
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  Speaker 2: devices to provide software and firmware updates over the air.
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  Speaker 2: Quote unquote Beijing. Yes, if Beijing coordinated control of US
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  Speaker 2: based module consolidated control rather of US based modules, it
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  Speaker 2: could disrupt an American military mobilization in response to a
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  Speaker 2: Chinese effort to core as Taiwan or the crisis, Beijing
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  Speaker 2: would could hold Washington hostage by threatening to cause massive
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  Speaker 2: economic disruption. So you know, Brian, you and I have
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  Speaker 2: talked about this before. So called smart cars and the
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  Speaker 2: ability to hack the cars and potentially either disable them
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  Speaker 2: or turn them into weapons because they just go out
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  Speaker 2: of control. This is the heart of it. It's Chinese
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  Speaker 2: made chips, it's Chinese software or any adversary. Now again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not focusing exclusively on China. That just happens to
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  Speaker 2: be where most of this comes from. If we're buying
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  Speaker 2: things from Russia, if we're buying things from Iran or
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  Speaker 2: any other adversarial nation where they have chips and or
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  Speaker 2: software that control these devices, the risk is the same.
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  Speaker 2: This goes on to say, with an estimated thirty point
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  Speaker 2: nine billion with a b thirty point nine billion devices
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  Speaker 2: currently deployed worldwide, sullgular modules are in effect the backbone
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  Speaker 2: of the Internet of Things akas or devices. Ye, And
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  Speaker 2: then they go on to list more of this stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and they get deeper and deeper into it. They say
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  Speaker 2: sugular modules are posis to deliver malware across the American economy.
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  Speaker 2: Along with importing the physical modules, American friends are also
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  Speaker 2: importing the proprietary software the device is run, creating the
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  Speaker 2: potential for them to deliver unauditible code or malware deep
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  Speaker 2: into sensitive systems backdoors.
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  Speaker 1: That's scary stuff Friday and happy Friday. O. Yes, it
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  Speaker 1: is all of that, And then you point to the
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  Speaker 1: nefarious flip the switch, reality of what could happen, or
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  Speaker 1: the installation of malware. But if you want a reason
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  Speaker 1: for why AI is like all the rage these days,
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  Speaker 1: most notably among the Chinese communists, part of the air
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  Speaker 1: racing to be the best AI, how do you crunch
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  Speaker 1: data which is being stolen from thirty point nine billion
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  Speaker 1: of these Internet of things devices and do something with
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  Speaker 1: that data? The power of artificial intelligence is probably capable
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  Speaker 1: of aggregating and crunching those numbered ninety jillion ways from
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  Speaker 1: now till Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh. I mean, even if you just look
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  Speaker 2: at this from the standpoint of espionage, stealing trade secrets,
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  Speaker 2: stealing military secrets, listening in on sensitive conversations that help
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  Speaker 2: with trade deals or whatever that alone. I mean, imagine
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  Speaker 2: during the Cold War, Brian, would we have allowed American
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  Speaker 2: citizens to build to put devices in their homes and
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  Speaker 2: in their businesses that were made in Russia and could
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  Speaker 2: be Russian listening devices. Yet here we are, you know,
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  Speaker 2: less than fifty years later, thirty point nine billion devices,
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  Speaker 2: roughly half of them maybe more. No one knows the
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  Speaker 2: exact number of these things have chips and software coming
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  Speaker 2: from the Chinese Communist Party. You know. It goes on
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  Speaker 2: to say Chinese firms of purchase international competitor competitors to
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  Speaker 2: bolster their hold on the market. In twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 2: for example, Fibucom acquired Rolling Rolling Wireless, a European firm
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  Speaker 2: that developed IoT products. I mean, this article is very insightful.
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  Speaker 2: I'll post it on my substack. I'll link it from LinkedIn.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm easy to find on social media. I
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  Speaker 2: post about this stuff every single day, Brian, because I'm
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  Speaker 2: increasingly concerned when you see these kind of girls. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sharing this with, you know, our legislators in Kentucky, with
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  Speaker 2: legislators in Ohio. I'm talking about this. I appreciate it's
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  Speaker 2: you guys, you know, giving me the opportunity to talk
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  Speaker 2: about it because we I don't want to be the
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  Speaker 2: doomsday guy, but I understand if you flip the switch,
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  Speaker 2: if an adversary flips the switch on this, or if
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  Speaker 2: there's just some sort of catastrophic outage for some reason.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see all the ports on the East Coast go down.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think that's going to do to the
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  Speaker 2: supply chain?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, make the straight horror moves closure look like a
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  Speaker 1: walk in the park.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Imagine if you could shut down all the train
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  Speaker 2: traffic in the US, or all the barge traffic in
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  Speaker 2: the US, or all the truck and or at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, all the truck traffic in the US. Not
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  Speaker 2: to mention, as you've talked about with me many times,
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  Speaker 2: the grid, the water system, it's all full of these
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  Speaker 2: chips in this software. Man, it's it's uh, we've got
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  Speaker 2: to focus on security in this country, critical infrastructure, reassuring,
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  Speaker 2: manufacturing this stuff here with American companies that can be trusted.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, some of this equipment has been banned
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  Speaker 2: in the US. But again, the scope of it is
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: so huge, and we've fallen into this trap of well,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: we just want the cheapest stuff, and we don't want
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: to make this anymore because they can make it cheaper
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: somewhere else without thinking about the security implications of it.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, simply be sure, putting one head in the sand,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: or just being naive generally speaking about or just plain
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: old flat out ignorant. That's how this stuff seeps in
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: and you cannot. I just let your mind wander as
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: far as you wanted to wander. If you think about
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: just the electric grid getting shut down, I mean you have,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: You're being deprived of money, water, Every electricity's not coming on,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: your cell phone's not going to work, nothing will work.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: That jeez weak Dave Hatter.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: If you think about it, Brian, the electrical grid in
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: a telecom system, the internet, everything you just mentioned relies
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: on those two things. If you give you one of them,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: suffer a significant outage, huge problems. We got to get
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: serious about this. We've got to get manufacturing back in
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: this country. We've got to focus on making things here
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: in this country, especially this stuff.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter, thank you so much for what you do.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're getting in touch with our elected A
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: fIF