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Patriots Unfiltered 10/6: NFL Week 5 Picks, Lions Preview, QB Situation and Injury Updates · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Unfiltered Deuce. When you have a sneeze bruin, does it
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  Speaker 1: Not exactly what happened. How did the pat Patriot hummets
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  Speaker 1: look out there to that? Yeah? Yeah, what would you
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  Speaker 1: say the difference in the mood between outdoor and indoor?
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  Speaker 1: I would say to see him like a good question,
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  Speaker 1: because keeps trying to answer the question legitimately. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: feel better if Mac was one hundred percent healthy. I
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  Speaker 1: can't argue with that. No, I'm serious starting I'd feel
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  Speaker 1: better if he if he never played again. Of course
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  Speaker 1: i'd feel better if he was healthy. But how many
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  Speaker 1: teams are picking top ten year? Like, if you need
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback? Ten? This is Patriots Unfiltered fueled by Duncan.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 1: at Jileste Stadium. So it's a big day. We got picks,
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  Speaker 1: We got to talk about the Lions and Matt that
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  Speaker 1: World's Original podcast. I think whenever somebody makes like a
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  Speaker 1: hot take or a good point, we should play that afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: That's like, that's sort of like our calling card. I
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  Speaker 1: love it like that to punctuated. Yeah, this isn't just
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  Speaker 1: it's an underrated line by you yesterday. What Mic goes?
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  Speaker 1: How many teams you think of picking in the top ten?
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  Speaker 1: You go ten? I didn't appreciate that. It's a very
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  Speaker 1: very very underrated line right there. I think that one
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  Speaker 1: kind of got overlooked a little bit. Jab me, it's
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  Speaker 1: all right, that's all right, all right, So it's Paul,
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  Speaker 1: it's me, it's Deuce, it's Matt in the booth um.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone else will be joining us,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll get Evan will be enough to practice, so
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  Speaker 1: he'll he'll check out. He'll give us a report on
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  Speaker 1: mac Jones and his uh, his ankle. What's he doing
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  Speaker 1: out there? Is he getting better? We'll see. And the
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  Speaker 1: reviews are in for Catch twenty two, are they And
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  Speaker 1: they're all glowing graves excellent. Yeah, yeah, it was grave,
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  Speaker 1: it was fun. So they're off to a fast start. Reviews,
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  Speaker 1: fast start. Let's see they can keep it up. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a big thing. It's about consistency, it's about honor,
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  Speaker 1: stacking days, stacking days. Who's honor our? Runner, Fred, who's
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  Speaker 1: honor our? Honor, my honor? You honor your family's honor?
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  Speaker 1: That worst quarter? Are we gonna get? What's going on there? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Poor poor Tom, Poor Thomas. He just wants to play
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  Speaker 1: football and have a family. Can't he have both? Not
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  Speaker 1: that we spend any time really talking about Tom Brady's marriage,
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  Speaker 1: but do you think this has anything at all to
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  Speaker 1: do with the fact that he won't stop playing like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's there's there's a much I'm sorry you don't get
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  Speaker 1: divorced because your your husband is working and I know
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like a real job because it's football,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not why they're getting unless they had an agreement.
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  Speaker 1: He went back on, like, I have no doubt that
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  Speaker 1: that's a big part of like the so I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: one that that was that that was a Paul like
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  Speaker 1: flippant thing to say. But I mean, you can't be
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent in love with your your spouse and
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  Speaker 1: then say, well, you said that you were going to
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  Speaker 1: stop this year, you're not, okay, I'm going to get
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  Speaker 1: a divorce. I just don't think it works like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's a lot probably going on, so of course,
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  Speaker 1: but I also I wonder that at the heart of
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  Speaker 1: it is there. I don't want to go into it.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, like he said he was gonna retire,
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  Speaker 1: Like was she on that decision or did he just
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna retire And then actually, no, I feel sorry
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  Speaker 1: for those kids. Yeah, you know, it's always the kids
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  Speaker 1: that I mean, Talma, those kids. Oh, I thought you
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  Speaker 1: meant they're actual kids about them? Oh, kidding. It's like
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  Speaker 1: a whole reversal like Angry Friends keep and I care
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  Speaker 1: about the kids World's original podcast The World. So the
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  Speaker 1: the injury report came out, Freddy, Yeah, I have that
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  Speaker 1: in front of me. Ye see that on the camera. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I don't like Lawrence. Guy isn't there. Well, the
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  Speaker 1: entirety of the Detroit Lions weren't there. Yeah, Like take
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  Speaker 1: a breath, deep breath, wow. Um, these are just guys
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  Speaker 1: that didn't practice. DJ Chark, t J Hawkinson, Frank rack Now,
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  Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds, I'm on Ross, Saint Brown, DeAndre Swift. That's
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  Speaker 1: not all of them, but every one of those guys
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  Speaker 1: is an important player. It didn't practice at all. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know it doesn't. They're all listed with injuries,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm not you know, sometimes you get the well,
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  Speaker 1: that's Wednesday, guys banged up a little bit. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: give him a day arrest, but we expect him to play.
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  Speaker 1: I don't None of these guys say rest. It all says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ankle, ankle, shoulder, ankles, that that's uh, DeAndre
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  Speaker 1: Swift shoulder and ankle, Um Hockinson his hip, too many
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  Speaker 1: balls and there's some other guys in here too, like
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  Speaker 1: Evan Brown and Chris Board. You know, so like Frank
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  Speaker 1: ragnow is the starting center. The other center, Evan Brown
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  Speaker 1: is listed as did not participate in practice. Um so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they have a lot of injuries too. But yeah, Lawrence
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  Speaker 1: guy Um was among the guys not practicing yesterday with
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  Speaker 1: his shoulder, which I kind of alluded to, like he
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  Speaker 1: if he had some limited practices last week, I'd have
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  Speaker 1: more um confidence of him being available now. This also
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  Speaker 1: could have been one of those deals where it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of a walkthrough and maybe it wasn't really a
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  Speaker 1: lot to be He didn't really get to do anything anyway,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll see he was essially, it's the opposite usually
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  Speaker 1: in the usually in the walkthroughs, everybody's there. Well everybody
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  Speaker 1: he was there. Everybody was there, step of Brian Hoyer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it can be deceiving two with like guys like Thornton.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what the situation Thornton. He
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  Speaker 1: was there, so that starts it. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: believe that as it's always dangerous to just kind of
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  Speaker 1: take what you see on Twitter as fact. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure if they have to officially and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: see the wire yesterday. I didn't check the wire last night.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they have to officially start the clock.
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people said the clock has
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  Speaker 1: officially begun, so that they'll have just some people know
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  Speaker 1: what we're talking about. You have three weeks from now,
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  Speaker 1: so it would be week five, six, and seven, and
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  Speaker 1: then if they don't activate him, then he stays on
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  Speaker 1: IR for the remainder. I heard a report this morning
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  Speaker 1: that Thornton was wearing a red nonco contact jersey, but
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  Speaker 1: I thought he was wearing a sweatshirt. Yeah. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: the pictures that I saw showed him in a sweatshirt, right,
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  Speaker 1: So how did anyone know that he had a red
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  Speaker 1: contact jersey? I don't know. Yeah, but it's weird for
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  Speaker 1: a walk through two to wear. I mean, I guess
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  Speaker 1: maybe when a guy's coming back, you start him out
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  Speaker 1: in a red jersey. Anyway, anybody away from he's the
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  Speaker 1: epitome of red non contact he's coming off of. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's just in honor of red throwback. Yes, hey, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm all for it. Yeah, lots of stuff, But I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't expect him this week would you guys know? Um,
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  Speaker 1: but no way. There's a juicy little topic that we
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  Speaker 1: can get into that. Kendrick Bourne is having a hard
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  Speaker 1: time getting consistent snaps. When he does get them, he
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  Speaker 1: tends to produce with them. Nelson Agalore has gotten some snaps,
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  Speaker 1: has produced, but also made some bad plays. Had to
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  Speaker 1: drop in this last game, He's had a couple of
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  Speaker 1: fumbles and prior games. How do you who loses snaps
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  Speaker 1: for Taekwon? Yeah? I think look at if you look
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  Speaker 1: at history of this team, Thornton will not come right
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  Speaker 1: in and take away snaps from Agalore. It'll be he'll
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  Speaker 1: get maybe three or four plays in a game and
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  Speaker 1: maybe he'll build from that, but he won't come right in.
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  Speaker 1: He won't come right in as a rookie, I would agree.
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  Speaker 1: What do you feel I feel like I would consider
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  Speaker 1: putting him in for Parker? I mean I think, as well,
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  Speaker 1: what's Parker done him wrong? Well, not that he's done
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  Speaker 1: any Parker's gotten the most snaps out all of those right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why you know, and hasn't been overly productive.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they've targeted him. Okay, so maybe three or
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  Speaker 1: four snaps he gets them from park it right, you know, well,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean I think if you just look at
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  Speaker 1: Thornton in a bubble, you know what, what is he
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna do coming in? He's probably gonna play on
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  Speaker 1: the outside and use his speed to stretch to the defense.
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  Speaker 1: He'll do some comeback stuff we saw them throw, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of of the of the Parker route,
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  Speaker 1: tree cutting in, you know, those kind of little plays.
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  Speaker 1: Two from himself. I don't know. I would just say
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the field, where Parker's maybe more
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  Speaker 1: of a red zone guy, put Thornton out there when
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  Speaker 1: you're in between the twenties, use his speed, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: just try to get him involved. This doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 1: he has to take all of Javante Parker's snaps, but
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, when you're in certain situations, you
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  Speaker 1: mix it up a little bit, so maybe they lose
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  Speaker 1: track of Parker you get down to the nineteen and
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  Speaker 1: then it's you know, contested catchy. I mean, I like
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts, and we're all just sort of throwing it
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  Speaker 1: out there because who knows what Bill is going to
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  Speaker 1: do ultimately. But I also wonder, and I made the
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  Speaker 1: comment at the start of the season. I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: they look at it, if everybody's healthy, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you made me make a deal for Kendrick Bourne, who
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  Speaker 1: can't seem to establish himself as a big part of
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  Speaker 1: the offense. Every week again in twenty odd snaps, he
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  Speaker 1: tends to catch a couple of passes and we don't
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  Speaker 1: know why he's not getting more of a look than that,
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  Speaker 1: but clearly that's what they want to do it, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't really increased right deadlines this month right after
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  Speaker 1: we gate, I built a week eighty early November problem.
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  Speaker 1: It's usually around the Halloween time, you know, in that area,
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  Speaker 1: So you have a few more weeks. I'm wondering if
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  Speaker 1: let's let's say that no one gets traded, no wide
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  Speaker 1: receiver gets traded, If in Jacoby Myers comes back and
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  Speaker 1: everybody's healthy, I wonder if they look at it and say,
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  Speaker 1: everybody's healthy, we really don't have a spot. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: Whatton ends up staying on I R, which I would
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  Speaker 1: find incredibly disappointing. Oh yeah, I would be very much
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  Speaker 1: against that. Well, okay, so let's say you're going to
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  Speaker 1: write a strongly worded letter. Yeah, does does that have
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  Speaker 1: anything to do with the record at the time the
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  Speaker 1: decision needs to be made. That's a great that's a
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  Speaker 1: great point too. I Mean, all these factors come in.
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  Speaker 1: If they're you know, if they rebound the way a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us expect them to, then yeah, you can,
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  Speaker 1: you could probably get away with that. But if they
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  Speaker 1: don't think of the opposite, if they see if they struggle,
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  Speaker 1: then you want to get your young guys some time. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I always think of the opposite. If if you're if
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  Speaker 1: you see no hope for the season, let's keep him
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  Speaker 1: an eye on the hope. Then like, let's get him.
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  Speaker 1: I looked at it. If you see no hope for
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  Speaker 1: the season. Let's say they lose this week and next week, okay, disastrous, Right,
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  Speaker 1: you're one in five, right right, you're kind of out
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  Speaker 1: of it. Then I want to get him out there,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to lessen the roles for like Aglare
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  Speaker 1: and Myers who are pending free agents. Yeah, that's and
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  Speaker 1: that's the big point for me. I mean, I unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think Nelson Aglare has looked pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's made some mistakes, but I
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  Speaker 1: just going back to camp, he looks fast, he looks involved,
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  Speaker 1: he looks you know, invested, but I still can't help
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  Speaker 1: but look at him as a lame duck kind of player.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I'm struggling to see them resign him. I
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  Speaker 1: think in a perfect world, Thornton slips into that role
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  Speaker 1: and you resign Myers. So I don't think it really
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  Speaker 1: matters about the record. I just think this is this
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  Speaker 1: team is all about. We need to find really good
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  Speaker 1: star players. And you have a player with elite speed
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  Speaker 1: that showed a lot in training camp. Just get him
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  Speaker 1: out there. I don't care if you win the next two,
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  Speaker 1: you lose, the next two, you tie the next two.
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  Speaker 1: Put him out there, get him experienced. So next year
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  Speaker 1: you come in and you say, all right, yeah we
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  Speaker 1: lost Agalore. But Thornton showed a lot after he came
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  Speaker 1: back from the injury. He's bringing an element of speed.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we can do some different things with him
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  Speaker 1: that I mean, that would be be my thought. I
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  Speaker 1: just get him out there, as I would. I would
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  Speaker 1: rather see him out there, um, no question. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: just wondering if you don't get if it doesn't you know,
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  Speaker 1: become completely apparent, how you get him in there? Like
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  Speaker 1: is it just adding a wide receiver and then just
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  Speaker 1: saying we got to find a way to get them all. Sometime,
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  Speaker 1: does little Jordan Humphrey go, you know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: you cut him and put him back on the practice
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  Speaker 1: squad or something. I don't. I don't, I don't have to.
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  Speaker 1: It's a but that's an interesting thing, Paul, you bring
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  Speaker 1: up because as much a problem as Humphrey hasn't been productive,
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  Speaker 1: they clearly like him for a role that others can't
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  Speaker 1: do right, So how do you kind of balance a
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  Speaker 1: role player but a lack of production. How do you
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  Speaker 1: get Thornton? Because the running game has been question because like,
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  Speaker 1: how do you get Thornton snaps? They can't get born
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  Speaker 1: snaps or they don't want to, depending on how you
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  Speaker 1: look at it. And again I'm not telling I'm not
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  Speaker 1: coming at you with oh yeah, you know. This is
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  Speaker 1: that they're doing this right, they're doing this wrong. This
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  Speaker 1: is I don't know how they feel about all these guys.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going by our age old thing of what
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  Speaker 1: we see, and what we see is Agalore and Parker
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  Speaker 1: involved all the time. Myers is the number one guy
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  Speaker 1: in the first two games when he was healthy right right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they're going anywhere now. Maybe that'll change, maybe,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Agalore, I think some of these mistakes are
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  Speaker 1: starting to pile up. I thought that was a bad
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  Speaker 1: drop this week. I thought he could have cut. I
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  Speaker 1: thought that was Bailey Zappie's best pass. Yeah, you got
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  Speaker 1: to catch that for the rookie. Yeah. I also just
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  Speaker 1: say though too to Bourn, like he look good last
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  Speaker 1: week to me, like he's quick, you know, Like I
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  Speaker 1: just I think there's something there that they can use.
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  Speaker 1: I just wish they would find We saw it last
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  Speaker 1: week with the reverse. But he just has a knack
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  Speaker 1: for cutting the ball up and when he gets in
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  Speaker 1: his hands, he tends to be you know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that he's a burner by any stretch of the imagination.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think off the line he's given anybody problems,
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  Speaker 1: but he's looking to make extra yards. Does he just
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  Speaker 1: has a knack when he has the ball in his
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  Speaker 1: hands of no one where to go, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: knowing how to how to maximize the carries. So it's
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  Speaker 1: it's tough. It's a great question, I think. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: And the more the more we talk about it, the
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  Speaker 1: more I lean into Parker, you know, eat into his
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  Speaker 1: snaps a little bit, telling you if we could get
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  Speaker 1: some production out of our tight end. And now I
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  Speaker 1: know John who Smith's hurt, you know, so we're really
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  Speaker 1: we're down to one. But if I think we've got
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  Speaker 1: some pieces on offense, and I started the season saying
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  Speaker 1: this and I'm gonna stick to it, We've got the
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  Speaker 1: pieces on offense to be good, you know, definitely, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I think we need one at least one where we
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  Speaker 1: just overdo it. I think today's the day just fire
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  Speaker 1: at Will Morrell, like, I mean, we need to, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, put this out. But you know, now, you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously we took a step back because we're now down
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  Speaker 1: to our third string quarterback. But I think we've got
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  Speaker 1: the pieces on offense to be good. Well, I think that.
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  Speaker 1: I Mean, the question I'm wondering is why is the
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  Speaker 1: lack of production at tight like it just it seems
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  Speaker 1: is it a scheme thing? Is it a quarterback thing?
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  Speaker 1: You know? Is the is the intention to push the
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  Speaker 1: ball down the field eating into some of those snaps.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean I think there's been a good number
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  Speaker 1: of times, you know, over these four games that you've
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: looked at some key plays and said, oh, I think
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  Speaker 1: I think it's because teams can man up on us
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  Speaker 1: and you know, like some teams, uh so, so you
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  Speaker 1: can flood the middle. You can have like two guys
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  Speaker 1: in the middle, whereas you know a lot of times
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  Speaker 1: you just see the tight ends kind of wide open
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  Speaker 1: down the middle because guys on the outside, you know,
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  Speaker 1: bag attention. I think right now guys can play man
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  Speaker 1: up out on the outside, and so the tight end, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the the middle is clogged, and uh maybe that changes
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: when Thornton's here, if he plays, you know, because he
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: is so fast that you know that safety has to
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: pay a little attention to him and can't stay you
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: know home, uh in the middle. Yeah. So I just
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: think it's I see other teams with guys who aren't
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: that great. You know, they're decent tight ends, and you
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: know they're making one or two catches like an averaging
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: like twelve yards a catch. You know. Yeah, like that's
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: all I'm looking for right now. I know that it's
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: just a disconnect because it's I mean, it reminds me
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen when it was like they had nothing.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah nothing, that's a good that's a good point, Like
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: when you have Ryan Izzo in Sorry, Matt Lacosse and
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: you're not getting a lot of production, you can say
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: you can understand that when you have two fifty million
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: dollars tight ends and Hunter Henry and John H. Smith,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: you should be able to get at least, you know,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: a couple of plays a week, and they're really not. No,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: they're really not getting any plays. I meant, you know,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Smith has a handful of catches, but he's not making
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: any plays with them, and Henry's and after that it's
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: not even getting tired. You agree, Like you watch NFL,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: you know, and there's always that tight end that's like
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: downfield twenty yards. I just would need to know, like
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: who you're talking about games in the NFL. No, No,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I know, and I get it, and I don't I
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: agree with you. I'm not arguing with you, but like,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's something that would need to be sort
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: of explained on a case by case basis, Like, you know,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: it just seems that no matter what game, and like
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: it's not a lot of plays, like there's like Mark
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Edwards burned us, Well, yeah, a lot. I'm not talking
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: about that. No, you're talking about average to below average
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: tight ends average tighten. My guess is they have better
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: wide receivers and quarterbacks. If they're making those kinds of
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: plays on any kind of a consistent maybe maybe that.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I said, like, I wonder what
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. That's kind of my point is that
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: no one, no one on our team, you know, uh,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: demands double cover. They're all kind of I mean, they're
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: all kind of the same, and that works good. I
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: think that's a good thing at you know, in a
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: way and a bad thing. But I think you could
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: definitely have a lot of different guys that are capable of,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: you know, leading the team that week, and that's good.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: You know, we've seen Myers have his games, We've seen
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: part Or had his game against Baltimore. We've seen Agalore
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: make plays, you know, when Bourne gets out. Like, they're
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: all capable of making plays. But do you have a
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: guy that's capable of occupying the other team's attention right right?
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if they do. Yeah. No, And
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: that's and that's why anybody's capable of it. And that's
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: why I'm like, why why haven't the tight ends then,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: like you know, they could there should have at least
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: in here been like one game where they had a
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: little bit of production. Um, I don't know. They're good
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: in the red zone. I think that maybe has to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: do with it, like not having they haven't been being
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: able to target Hunter Henry and you know where he
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: was best last year. But it's just here we are
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: two years out of signing these two tight ends, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: you just feel like I just looked at us, like
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: last year he had fifty he had fifty catches and
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: nine touchdowns. So it wasn't just all red zone. I
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: mean fifty catches is okay, Like it's not it's not
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: all pro word. They don't field against Cleveland had fifty
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: catches and the other guy had like thirty, right, Smith
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: had like thirty something like that, and now they have
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: like twelve I think something like they don't even have targets,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Like they don't even get thrown two. It's weird, you know,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I can't I can't quite explain it. I mean it's
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you know, now in the last game, you know, everyone
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: points to that one play in overtime where you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry was doing like a shallow cross and he
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: seemed to uncover right away and Zappy didn't get him
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the ball. You know, Um, yeah, I'm not necessarily like
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the Green Bay game is not, but like that's you
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: got a third string quarterback. You gotta take what you get. Yea. Um,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: but you know the first three games he was not
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: targeted really at all. I mean this, I think this
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: is another fascinating game. It poses a whole different set
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: of issues for the Patriots and opportunities. You know. I
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: you know, with Detroit's defense, should you be able to score?
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I think you should. But now you go back to
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: but it's Bailey Zappy, right, How high should our expectations
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: be for points with him in the game? And you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: if you have as good an offense as you think
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: that they do, that they should be able to score. No,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that's with Mac. With Mac, No, but you're talking about
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the I didn't say that the beginning of the season,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: thinking Bailey Zappy was going to be the quarter No,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm not telling you it's it's fair to just
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: say they should go out and roll up thirty eight
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: points every week with Bailey's No, that's not That's not
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But if if, then you have all
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: of the pieces in place that you think that they do.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: If you should be able to score some points against
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the worst defense, and if the Yeah, but if the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: game plan this week is handoff, handoff, handoff, that's gonna
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: lim it's gonna it's gonna shorten the game and limit
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the points I design. But I'm not. Don't fixate on
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the number of points. Fixate on the percentage of drives
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: that you score. Okay, you know what I mean? Like
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: if if they scored twenty eight points because they only
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: had six possessions in the game, I don't know. I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: don't need forty right, No, I get you. You know,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: if they're putting together like how efficient are Yeah, if
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you're putting together a fourteen play touchdown drive and it
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: took you a long time to score, fine, Okay, Like
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I just don't want I don't want to punt six times.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. Well, and but you know that begs it.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: You know, now your running game has to be effective.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: It's got to work, and it should against this team. Yeah. Yeah,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and blitz as much as you look at Detroit and
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: say this is what we know about their defense, well,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I mean they're going against the third stone quarterbacks. So
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna stack the box and say, you're
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: just not gonna beat us with Harrison Stevenson. And if
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: you want to throw it down the field on one
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: on one coverage or you know, you'll have guys that
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: can break loose deep, good luck try to. And I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: would imagine that, you know, regardless of what Zappie knows
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: up to this point, this week, they're practicing blitz killers, right, Yeah,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: there's a package in there for him, you know, to
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to kill the blitz. Now, a lot of that has
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: to do with him recognizing it, you know, because you
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: can disguise the blitz and you don't know what's coming
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: and there it is. Yeah, but I would imagine that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: they're working on, you know, whether it's screens, draw plays
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: or you know, just those little rainbow passes over the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: first level. I imagine that they're working on plays specifically
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: to for him to you know, combat the blitz. Yeah,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that's what David Andrews talked about yesterday of Detroit being
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: a spin the dial blitz kind of team coming from
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: anywhere they'll send defensive backs. Belichick mentioned that too, So
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I agree, and that's you know, but but you also
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: wonder like how are they going to manage blitz in
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the crap out of them? But also you know, not
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: making sure they get beat deep, you know, Like so
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit of a balancing act for them,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I think, But I don't. I mean, would you really
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: worry about it? Would you really worry about Hey, let's
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: just send seven guys on this, but you know, third
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and long, Like, if I'm absolutely I do it until
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: they tell me I can't. Until it proves that he
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: can pick it up. I would agree, and feel like
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you can score too if you're Detroit. So it's not
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: like you're like, well, we've got a very thin like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: if we we you know, they're gonna put up points,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I would get I don't know, I mean, how many
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: points do you think the Patriots need to play this game? Well,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: you know, based on over twenty five twenty five? Yeah, yeah,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna like, I don't think you're
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: winning seventeen thirteen. Right, it's not gonna be a Steelers game, right,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, we all you know that
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: happened to be one that we've got. Right, We've had
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: a million examples of games that we got wrong. Now
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: we think it's going to be this kind of game,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and it's completely the opposite. Now, if the tight ends out, Um,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I like our chances a little bit more. Yeah. Sure,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Well if the tight ends out in Saint Brown and
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: all these worlds last week, if if they're back in
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: then I don't care about. What I'm saying is if
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: all those guys on that list are out, Yeah, then
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: you should be able to slow down this offense. Yeah,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I think they'll hawk. It's I mean, he finished the
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: game healthy, right, Like I don't know. I would expect,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: but you never know, right, you never know. Maybe man
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Campbell bid off his kneecap. We'll see today, you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you know, Job, when the injury poll comes out today,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: maybe a lot of these guys will be listed as limited.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I go back to um. You know, Deuce, you did
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: your roundtable questions this morning, and I was there, okay
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: this week, Yeah, I was going to ask him, all right.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: One of the questions was what's your key matchup? And
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I said it's Belichick verse Dan Campbell because forget it
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: then while I was over no, because in Bill's SUMMARYE
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday, when he goes over the team. He did
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: not say well coached, but he did say that they're
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: very aggressive. So I look for Bill to try to
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: play off that aggressiveness and you know, make them make
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: mistakes because of that aggressiveness. H Let me ask you,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: if you think that Detroit's going to be really aggressive
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: defensively in this game, I kind of agree with you.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Would you keep that same aggressiveness if Mac Jones plays, Yes,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I would too. I would too, because he can't move. Yeah, yeah,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, don't even get me started. Don't even get
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: me started. I mean I just yeah, we all got
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: got a chance to see some of those videos. He
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: was not moving. I know, well who was I think
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: it was Grd your guy, Paul, he said. The lack
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of stability in the ankle. He was saying, he's raising
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: up on his toes him once, looks like he had
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: absolutely no pop in his Like I just after watching
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: that video, I found myself saying, what what are we
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: doing here? Yeah? This guy should be resting. I think, like,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think he has any chance to get out
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: there this weekend. I just I feel like, and when
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: we talked about it last year, last week that that
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: this is an overreaction to like prove that he's tough.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And I just I really worry that someone needs to
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: be like take his helmet and be like get healthy,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: get out of here. You need to get away exactly
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: so I can't harm myself. He's gonna harm himself out there.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Like I just watching the video, you can see the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: mobility that he does not have in his ankle. He
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: has no push off of his toe. It's all just
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: like he's wearing a boot off of his flat foot. Yeah,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: flat foot the whole time. So you're gonna try to
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: play an NFL game against with that, Like, I just
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous that I think he needs to rest.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: The other thing with Detroit, if Aaron Glenn, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: has something going, I know they're struggling. I know that,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you know, it's the worst defense in football. I would
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: also try to do a bunch of things where I'm
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I'm showing the blitz and then I'm like occasionally dropping
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: out of it and seeing if I can get Zappy
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to throw one to me right right yet, because you
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: gotta think it's gonna come out quick. The blitz is
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: come and here's my hot you know what? The hot's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: gonna be if you're if you're Detroit, you know you
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: take it away. I mean, I know last week, had
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Zappy been able to pull off the win, it would
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: have been like amazing. I even I still think if
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: they win this game, it'll be amazing. With a third
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: string quarterback, I would have to I would have to
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: see it. Like if they went out and won forty
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: one thirty eight, I would agree with one thousand and
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: percent with you. I think that would be absolutely amazing
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: if they win. If they win the game, because Detroit
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: craps all over themselves the way they don't kind of
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: have and have no players, then that's the kind of
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: game you win with it their string quarters lining up
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: to be a twenty twenty one context, right, like well
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the Houston no like that the Jacoby Brissette against Houston
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: game where a fumble, two kickoffs inside the twenty and
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: they allowed to kick the quarterback to just take a
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: snap and run around the end for a touchdown. Like
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: if you win because of that, that's not the same
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: as like if he just plays conventional offense football and
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: he's like carving up the Lions, I'm with Fred, that
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: to me would be an amazing accomplishment. Yeah, all right,
• 27:21
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• 27:28
  Speaker 1: we're doing video today. Huh, we are, We're on the video. Sorry,
• 27:32
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• 27:34
  Speaker 1: want to give everybody get everybody too excited about my
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• 27:47
  Speaker 1: We'll start with Vinnie in Vegas. What's up Vinnie? Hey, guys,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: how's it going good? Hey? You know I haven't I
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: haven't called a long time, but you know I stay loyalty.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: You guys up here old all of the shows. Thank
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: you the first. The first thing I want to say, Fred,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: is you know you brought in some new blog Listen.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I love Paul, Paul is my favorite, right, but you
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: brought in some new blood. You've added some new podcasts.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: You know, for for a long time you were pretty
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: status quoll right, you know, with the show, and and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: so I think you've done some really good stuff. You know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I gave you all the props for being progressive and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: keeping well. Listen, you know everybody chipped in. I'm Deuce
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: is the one who hired Evan Lazar. I didn't, you know,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I just okayed it. But yeah, Deuce is uh brought him.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: He's been an advocate for years. So yeah, I heard
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: even call him the boss. So I don't know, listen,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I would. I would tell him the boss is me, right, Fred,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I'm the boss. Don't call anybody else the boss here? Oh?
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Is that right? People? I don't want
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the boss man. Is only one boss man. You're the
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: boss man. The boss Man called the Boston Catch twenty
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: two yesterday. I wanted to, you know, I would. I
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: would say, you know, keep Mac away. You know, listen,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: he's probably gonna get hurt more and then the season
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: is over. I mean, let's just wait another week and
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: and give him time to deal. I think they do
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: need to take, like you said, the keys away from
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: him and say you need to stay. Yeah. I think
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that's that will be a bad decision. I'm a feeling
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: that if he goes in there, he's gonna get hurt
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: even more and then the season it really is done
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the right I mean, like, if he's a sitting dug,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: forget about the ankle, he could get hurt in some
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: other way. What are we doing? You know? Yeah, I
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: just think it's a bad idea. Yeah, I'm with you, Vinnie.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Another question real quick for you guys, And I know
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you have to do fix today, so yeah, we gotta hurry. Yeah,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: it might not be for today. You might want to
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: do it for another day. But you know, I did
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: hear that, you know, and I heard that the the shotgun,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a little easier to defend than the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: owner center because you know, there's a lot more things
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you could do from under center. I'm wondering what you
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: guys think about that, and maybe the the idea that
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the pages are easy to defend, because that's you know,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: that's we're doing now. Yeah, I guess that, thanks Vinnie.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I guess that was a discussion on the show with
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Dan Orlovsky and it's like four people and they were
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: talking about it, and the other guy wasn't. Arlovsky said
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: that you know, when you're under center is you have
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: a lot more options than when you know you're running shotgun. Yeah, well,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: that's why they go from I mean college teams are
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: you know, all shotgun I mean that was Mac, that
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: was definitely Bailey Zappy, everything's in front of them. You know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: it's a whole new world going under center and having
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: to take those snaps and having it you know. But
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: but you agree that you have more options under center, Well, yeah,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: because you can run the ball in different ways. The
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: only way you're going to run the ball out of
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: shotgun is by catching the snap and handing it to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the guy next to you. Right. In general, I mean
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you could run some jet sweeps I suppose out of
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the shotgun. But yeah, you have the entirety of a
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: running game and passing game under center. But I don't
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: think that makes you easier or harder to defend. I
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: don't either. I mean, let's I guess, you know, you
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: can do a two step drop and get rid of it,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: but with a shotgun and you can get rid of
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: the ball quicker. Yeah, and I think the yeah, I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: mean there's a reason why the majority of players are
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: used out of the shotgun. Like, if if all of
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: these teams thought it was harder to defend under center,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't be like sixty percent shotgun or whatever the percentages.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And I think quarterbacks like shotgun better because you get
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: all right, you don't have to turn your back on
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the play, right. I mean, that's all right there. And
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that's why with a guy like Zappy, that's what they're
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: gonna do. I mean, make it easy on them, don't,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you know, throw him into I mean, they'll try to
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: do some a little bit under center stuff, but it's
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: clear what he's comfortable with and what he's experienced. And
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: they had Bailey Zappy under center a lot the other
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: day because they're going to run the ball a lot conventionally.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: They were just running. They were running, you know, as
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Evan says, they ran a lot of gap power, and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: they ran a lot of zone um you know, so
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: you know they're going to do that. And when you
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: run the ball as often as they did the other day,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: that's going to open up play action. Like I've also
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: seen a lot of word about, you know, the Patriots.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: You know, Bailey ZAPPI runs play action better than Mac.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: They have to get Mac up to. This is not
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: about running it more effectively or more often. When you
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: have a game with it, you have your third string
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: quarterback and the other team is just saying, we ain't
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: playing pass right, We're just going to stop the run. Yeah,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have play action opportunities because they're not playing
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the past at all. When Mac Jones is playing quarterback,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you have to play both right, right, Yeah, So they
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: can't just run play action every play and have it worked. No,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Ben ben Volan, Let's go to John in La. What's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: up John? Hey, guys, I want to reiterate that um
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Bred at the GM offwfu uh Andy and Eric leaving
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and bringing and Megan and then replacing me bringing inducing
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and tomorrow and Alex catch toy two. It's great. It's
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: so good. I wish you could take over the front
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: office of the team. I'm a better GM than I am.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: We've lost We've lost a lot of talent over the years. Bred,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the coaches just killed. We're struggling. No, you keep the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: core of we've been in a bit of a draft
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: lull lately. I think that makes Paul Brady, that makes
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: you know, the twenty year long time, you know, been
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: taking pay cuts. You know, I think you're telling me.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I think he's had some work done. I think he's
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: had some work done that. I think he's had some
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: work done, refuses deat Strawberries. Yeah, night Jade. Sorry, So, uh,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: it would be great if Douce, if we could have
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the you know, the version and the team of Deuce
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: with the content having like, could we have drafted Devin
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Lloyd please? Everyone was saying we were going to do
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: what least was a good match for the system, a
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: dynamic playmaker in the front seven. Yet at a position
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that we're like, we have nothing, yeah, and Devin Lloyds
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: lighting up the league doing what everyone said they would do.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I don't understand. I understand back in the day, the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: draft industrial complex is not, you know, as great as
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: what Belichick and his guys could come up with. Me
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: didn't want to go with the sort of overall one
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that most of the other teams did. But now it's,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: you know, fifteen twenty years later, there's so much information available,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: there's so much more information. There's so many more people
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: who are you know, making making you know, there's scouts
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: out there doing it. It's it's a real thing, and
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: it's really frustrating to me that, honestly, my mom could
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: have drafted better than Bill Belichick over the last week
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: seven years with me whispering in her ear. You know, Tibo,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: don't not take TiVo because he tweeted something. Wow, it's unbelievable.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, all right, John, Hey, alright, alright, Okay,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the world that is that's a little harsh. Yeah, I know,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: but he is a scriptwriter, so no, no, he's dramatic.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: That's good passionate. I I'm with him though. Ont Devin
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Lloyd and that was like, remember we talked a lot
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: about that, and I mean, you know, of course, and
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I knew what was going to play out like this
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: because I knew that Cole Strange would ultimately be your
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: day one starter at GUARD. Fine. Great, And now everybody's
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: going to say because of that, see, what would you like,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: there's a million guy like, would you rather have Devin
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Lloyd and Cole Strange in the second round and not
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: have Thornton? Well, at this point it's hard to say.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I haven't really seen Thornton. I mean, but but how
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: about Devin Lloyd Tae kwon Thornton and instead of Bailey
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Zappy in the fourth round, Cole Strange because that's where
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: he was like slated to go, like that's apples to apples.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I yeah, I know, yeah, but then you don't have
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Marcus Jones. And but but beyond that, like I happen
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: to see um, I think I saw it in clips.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I think the athletic put together like at the quarter pole,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: very early four games, Like let's not get lost with
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd. We'll see what he ends up being. Right now,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: he looks like he's a great pick. But they had
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: like the rookies by position, the top rookie performers by position,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: and Kenyan Greene and Zion Johnson were listed at guard
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: and Cole Strange was not. So those are two guards
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: that got taken. And I understand they got taken, you
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: know before you know, Zion Johnson went before the Patriots
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: were at twenty one. But there were options that you
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: could have met, like you didn't just have to take
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the next guard. Yeah, is my point. And I'm not
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: telling you I like, I don't. I think Cole Strange
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: has been fine. I'm not telling you he's been a bust.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: He's been fine. He's he's he's had his moments, good
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: and bad. But I just feel like there were better
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: players than cold Strange available in the first round, regardless
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: of position. And I kind of thought, that's what Bill
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: always sort of focused on, is if if the guys
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: are similar, then we're going to take the position of need,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: But if not, we're gonna go for who we think
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: is the better player. Right. I think they kind of
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: got in to a little bit of need on that pack. Yeah,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that's what I mean. You guys always say what do
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: they do? And I mean I think that the signing
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: at Jamie Collins at this point, you know, like what
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: does that say? And you know, I can tell you
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that I don't think the linebacker play has been very
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: good and not other people will say that as well.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: But I agree with you, I totally agree. But this
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: this tells you they kind of agree with you. And
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: it's you know, we can't keep going back to this well,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: and it's just that's what's frustrating is that, you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I think on the surface, he thought, oh yeah, they're
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: trying to balance the safeties at linebacker and all that,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and you know, all right, they're gonna bring Jawan Bentley back,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: and all right, I think I'm on board. And it's
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: just like it looks the same, It looks the same
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and we talk about the run defense problems, and I'm
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: just last year, I remember getting into the draft and
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: being like, I'm just on Nakobe, Dean and Lloyd. Those
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: are the two guys. And now to see, you know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: how well Lloyd is playing. I haven't been as up
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: on on what Dean's been doing, not playing defense. He's
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: just kind of playing specialis what's um ray kwon McMillan's status.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: It's a broken thumb, you know, And so I mean
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I think that that's like derailed some of that plan.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: That they haven't been able to play him as much
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: as they might want to. But he was well, he
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: wasn't playing well, and and is he going to be
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the answer once he gets going? I mean, I think
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: you're all right. He's off an ACL you know, like
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: you give him a little bit of time here earlier
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: this season, but you know, at the same time, they're
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: going out to get Collins because they need more from
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that position, and you think he will be active this week.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, Bill said yesterday he had some
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: offseason surgery, so I doubt it. I would probably think
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: it's a long shot, but I don't know. So the
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: move yesterday with Marcus Cannon. Is that now permanent? Yeah?
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: What I mean is that's it? Yeah? Yeah's because I
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: thought they did that last week, but I guess I
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: was just an elevation from the I thought that they
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: signed him to the active roster last week, but I
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: guess not. No, he was a practice squad guy initially,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and then they know him up for the initially the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: first they promote from. I thought they promoted him by
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: signing him to the active roster because he was ready.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: He was on the practice squad for a couple of weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: he can't go back now unless they have to cut
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: them now use cankleback. Well, they have to cut them
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: right in order, like like little Jordan Humphrey and being
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the same kind of situation. Let's go to Melvin and Tennessee.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: What's up Melvina. I was going on, Hey, um, what
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: this game is? It's a weird game because, as I guess, obviously,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident that we should win. But also
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: with that being stated, I think you're gonna need close
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: to probably twenty five enough to blow down this team.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, you all have already said that that the
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: line just scored a lot of points. So it's it's
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: hard for me to just feel as confident with the
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: backups in and everything I said, even me, you know,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: with Mac Jones doesn't said that confident. It's going thirty.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be one of these. Um,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the defense is going to have to really put on
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: one of the best performances to really limit them. UM.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: And that's something that I guess it's curious because these
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, I mean I thought they were
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I know they're not that same defense anymore, but back
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: in the day, it still feels like some of the
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: bad defenses what they'll limit somebody. I mean, we played
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Green Bay, they ran, did whatever they normally do. Um,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Aaron Jones did whatever he wanted to do. It's the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: main forms play the Ravens that got the balls to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Mark Andrews. But this seems like we're not limiting people
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: as much. I'm sure they has to do a personnel,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: but still it's it's just it's just different to me
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the team that they're not at least getting in their way.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: So I feel confident that we can win, but I
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: think the pages, even with that, you're gonna need probably
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: at least twenty eight points, it would be the team, right, possibly, yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: what's and that would be below their game average, so
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, right, I feel like you know, the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: twenty four is the fewest that they've scored, so I
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: think that's I think that's a goal, like, see if
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you can match that um and he's right, Melvin's right,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: like you don't have a ton of confidence in the
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: offense in general yet, But this is the kind of
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: defense last year when they faced it, they got fifty,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: right with mac Jones. Yeah, these are the kinds of
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: defenses that they feast on. Bad defenses that overcommit. They
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: they're aggressive to a fault. These are the kind of
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: defenses that Josh and Bill would have for lunch. And
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: the question will be how much will they be able
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to take advantage of that stuff? If it's Bailey zappy right,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think they've not known they're not going to
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: be able to do what they've done in the past.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I think you nail on the head of why is
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: this just such an intriguing matchup? To me, I think
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: it's just going to be a roller coaster game of
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: back and forth kind of big plays, mistakes, Like I
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: don't know if can't get the Patriots to play that style.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Like in some ways, I feel like the Patriots need
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: to not play down to that style and just stay
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: within themselves and not get into that kind of back
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and forth, big play mistake fest that that the Lions
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: seem to really thrive in. But you know, I just
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I'll be surprised if
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: they totally shut down this offense. But I have a
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: little bit in like the back of my head of like,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: did they just kind of put it together and they
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: kind of have a field fork goff and you know
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: they're going to be just so shorthanded. And again it'll
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: be after the game they shut them out. Yeah, if
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: there's no if there's no one playing, that's different. If
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: they have a reasonable amount of personnel. I mean it's Wednesday,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: we'll see what this looks like. Um No, but I
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: mean the Wednesday injury reports and I don't see them
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: shutting them down. But I do see the possibility of
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: you know, the Detroit has won the toss, they've elected
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: to defer. The Patriots went on eleven play, seventy five
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: yard touchdown drive that featured nine runs by Damien Harrison
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson and they go up seven nothing, and then
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the Lions come out and maybe get two first downs
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: and then get a pass over the middle and in
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the middle of a zone that someone deflects and it
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: gets picked off, and the Patriots go fifty yards in
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: another nine plays and it's fourteen nothing, game, set match,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: that's game. That's the formula that the Patriots have used
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: to win games without Tom Brady when they get that
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: kind of an edge early. Now I see your yeah.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, golf might get some yards up and down,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: but with a fourteen point cushion Belichick game and coffing
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: that up and I would have immense confidence and then
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: being able to hand the ball off unlike Dan Campbell
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: up ten in the fourth quarter in Minnesota going for
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: fourth and six from his own forty. Bill's not going
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: to do that. Bill's not going to do stupid stuff
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: like that. So that's the formula. Touchdown on the first
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: drive or first win the toss. No, but you know
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: what I mean, You know what I mean, Like I
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: think if it just plays out conventionally and it's like
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: they score, you score, you know, you score, they score,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have a hard time stop in
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: their offense if their personnel is dead. But if you
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: can get a lead, now I think you can hold
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: them to like seventeen, you know, with three turnovers that
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: allow you to control the game from start to finish,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: and you know, you get something to feel good about
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: going into Cleveland. That's I think that's the formula. Yeah,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: well it's gonna be interesting. Williams and Philham. What's up,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: william I still think that's gonna happen. Hey, are you doing? Fred?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going on? Oh you tell me. Just listen to
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Patris I'm filtered my number one podcast. There you go,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: he's scrambling. There you go. Just want to give y'all
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: phrase and then give you two questions. I know y'all
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: get to your fix and whatnot. First this wann't say
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: whatever you need from me. You know, if you need me,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: keep calling whatever you need. You know, I'm here for y'all. Okay, oh,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: thank you? All right, Well we need you to keep
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: calling you absolutely, Yeah, not a problem. So my first
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: question is this all right? So just a little bit
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: of a push. Well, it's Jamison Williams starting for Detroit
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: on I r started started the season. Are you doing
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I think Jesus that was a torture. All right, So
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: a little pushback on what you were saying, Fred, you said,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: we have pieces and whatnot, but you see how to
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: call us a question and what's going on because we
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: might lose this game? Yeah, and how important it is
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: that we leave. So you know what I'm saying, No,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I listen, I think it all comes down to the quarterback.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: You know, even with Mac, I don't think he's there yet.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: And so like, I think a better quarterback would be
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: able to do more with these pieces, you know, but
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Max's still learning okay, and uh last and not least okay,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: So what you want? Why would you want to sign
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: back um to Kobe Marks when you can just go
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: and get Calvin Risk. You know what I'm saying like this,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, like we we want better weapons, better pieces here,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: as you say, basically, but why bring back to the
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: point of mind, I guess but because he don't want
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: us can get open Basically. Yeah, I think he's been good.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I think he's been productive. I mean, I'm not gonna
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: bang down the door if they don't resign him. But right,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I mean he's what has he done wrong? He's been productive?
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: A question is you have Calvin Ridley and Jacoby Meyers. Sure,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: but why who hasn't played? Yeah? I mean I like
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley. I think he's a really good player. But yeah,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what he is. Now
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't he have like didn't he lead the game because
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: he's Yeah, and then he got suspended for gambling on
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: the game, right, so yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, all right,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: William And joining us is Evan And guess what Evan
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: has done? Evan tell us all the news. I know,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I gotta pull on my notes for this one. There's
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of just my copious notes. Right. So anyways,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones at practice for the Patriots on Thursday about
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: the same level of participation as what we saw yesterday.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Very very brief media portion today, just stretching. But during stretching,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks were throwing and Mac was in line participating
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: in the throwing drills. And I would say, well, probably
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: headed towards another limited day at practice like he was yesterday.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Now they were had the uppers on today, some shells
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: and shorts, so maybe a little bit more ramped up
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: from the walk through yesterday, So it's going to be
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: really interesting to see what his level or participation is
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: because I think yesterday they didn't do much contact wise,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: so there wasn't really any need to hold him out significantly.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: So we'll see today with a little bit more of
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: a ramp up what happens with Mac. Taekwon Thornton was
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: also back out there today, so he's back out there
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: for the second straight day. And we also saw Laurence
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Guy who was at practice yesterday and today, but then
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: a DMP yesterday, so they're still playing that game with
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: the injury reports. The only guy missing was Brian Hoyer,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: who's still dealing with that concussion. John who smith back
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: as well on Thursday. He was he was moving, stretching,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: you know, with everybody else, and looked like he was
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: taped up pretty significantly on that ankle, but that's to
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: be expected. I was watching the video and Mac out there.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: It seems kind of the same thing, right, like just
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: he can't really he's like he's in a boot, but
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: he's not in a boot. Yeah, I would say that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: there's very limited motion range of motion there, but he's
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: throwing the ball, you know, and and he's I think
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: what we're seeing yesterday and today is definitely just testing
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: it out and seeing how much can he actually do
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: out there. And I think at this point you hope
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: that there's not really any threat, especially in practice of
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: reinjuring it or getting it more severely injured. So might
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: as well go out there, throw some balls, you know,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: maybe do a little bit of light work and see
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: how much he can push the ankle. So we're back
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: outside today. Yeah, very nice, nice day out, very nice,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: very nice. Did that affect the mood at all? I
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: think it's always when you have an injury with the quarterback, right,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: and everybody comes in and it's like a horde just
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: trying to get their number ten pictures right, and they
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: got the video. Guys are quickly setting. The guys are, yeah,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: shooting through binoculars, you go, you know, Eric Adler out
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: there with the long lens, you know, trying to take
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: get the picture of Mac. But it's so funny I
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: see in the press box these guys using their binoculars
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and taking pictures to like, here's the ru film of matter.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna look good, so don't bother. Yeah, it's like,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? Big binocular, big guys on the beat. Yeah. Sure,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Man's part of this almost feels a little to me
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: like the Brady thing, where no, don't don't rest, don't nice,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: just keep moving, keep moving. Like isn't that kind of
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: like the TB twelve philosophy a little bit? Is not?
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Like with injuries not I mean, maybe should get janted
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: down here, she's a TB twelve, But like that, that's
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: what I'm kind of getting the vibe of of don't
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: rest it, keep it moving, stay on it, try to,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: you know, get it moving quickly. Doesn't it depend what
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: it is? I mean, you know, that's like what I
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: always took from that TB twelve book that that they
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  Speaker 1: back one of my blogging days. So I did dive
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  Speaker 1: into that a little bit. But oh, that's right. But
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: you know it's like it goes back to like icing,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: is icing still good for you? I know that's like
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: something that's kind of under debate now of like should
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: you ice and work for me with my shoulder thing?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I finally started later No, well I finally started icing.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: It went away. Yeah, I definitely think there's some truth
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: to that. Just from what you read and here, obviously
• 50:34
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• 50:36
  Speaker 1: ankle sprain knowledge as we possible. We're not watching surgery.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I could just see Paul with his oh trying to
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: clip the TV shoulder. Boy, it does, it does click
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: into place every once in a while, even now. Yeah,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: happens when I'm driving and I would go to put
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  Speaker 1: and it was a blowout this one one. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: pat Patriot. Yeah. Where Richfield was he was he going
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• 1:02:02
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  Speaker 1: saw that cartoony thing. He must have liked it. Yeah,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: so this is the week. That's the big question around
• 1:02:28
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• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Will they do that? Will they do that? The end zones?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: We probably are in the room with people who know this. Well,
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  Speaker 1: We'll see, We'll see, Fred, you know, I mean kol
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  Speaker 1: as usual. We'll see. Well, you know the thing about
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  Speaker 1: you know, losing that opportunity if you replace it with
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  Speaker 1: the old logo? Right so right, brand think so I'm
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  Speaker 1: just putting a little doubt in people's mind. Oh I
• 1:03:10
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  Speaker 1: see you know, like the Bengals had the white logo
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• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Twitter praise. I liked them. I think they were cool. Yeah,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't like them. I love those Dolphins uniforms, the
• 1:03:36
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  Speaker 1: um red white white pants right in the white helmet. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So that face masks, that's gonna look cool. White face mask.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Someone said red face masks on Twitter, white white face mask. Well,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I thought you could choose. I thought as a player,
• 1:03:52
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• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: gonna wear, No, what type of face mask you had?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: What color? Yeah, not what color you have never the same.
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  Speaker 1: I remember um at times the PA some of the
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• 1:04:12
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• 1:04:33
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  Speaker 1: a big, a big conversation in face masks has been
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Cold Strange's face mask because he wears the which I
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: still can't figure out why that is such a big deal,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: because most players nowadays don't. He's in the very large
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: minority of not wearing the middle the middle bar. It
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: definitely throws you off a little bit in my mind,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: A large minority, small minority that was like pretty severe severe,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: pretty I mean I can see like to me, like
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: that middle bar, like you're always either one side or
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: the other. You know, you're splitting your eyes up at it.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Right do you guys are playing hockey like you focus
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: you know, far away. It doesn't you don't even realize
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: it there when you do. But if you're a guard,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: you're not focusing far away. You're focusing on like two
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: feet in front of you. I think it's more a
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: problem just generally, the face match just completely closes everything in,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: you know, and just like you can't you're peripheral, like
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: you think you can't. Boy now, yeah, yeah, anyway, yeah,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: all right, yeah, good uniform Talkatike at hot line. Web
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: radio at Patriots dot com is the email address. We
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: got a lot of emails coming in at web radio
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com. Uh Neil writes in He's from
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: New Brunswick. Kind of feels like this is a must
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: win because I think if you're one and four the
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: season is over. Adding to the stress, it seems like
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Zappy will be playing What should we do on offense
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: to maximize whatever skill set he has? Way more shotgun? Also,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: what about the reports that Bob Kraft wanted Zappy over Hoyer.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's true? And does this bother? Can
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: I ask a question about that? Yeah, can you follow
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: up with that emailer and tell me where that report was,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: because it's it's not the first person that I've heard that,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: and I haven't seen Robert krafts say well, it was
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: in the same report where Robert noticed that Bourne wasn't
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: getting a lot of snuff. I'm being I know, but
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I am curious is to see if there was a
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: report that somewhere Robert Kraft was credited with wanting Bailey
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Zappy to play over Howyer, because I find that extremely
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: out of character for Robert Kraft. Yeah. I don't know
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: where that came from. Yeah, but that seems like it's
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: a story every time now like there's some kind of thing. Well,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Robert Croft wants Born to play more. He mean they
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: want he wants more play action in the playbook. They
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: got to give it to him. Ian he's the owner. Yeah,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: about this stuff, I don't know. So as a question, Oh,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: how are we gonna get Bailey's Appy run the ball? Yeah?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: I think that was the most impressive thing about the
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: game on Sunday is that you have Bailey's Appy under center,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: you're still running it for five yards to carry. It
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: didn't really seem to impact a running game at all.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: He would think that the defense sells out eight guys
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: in the box, like let the quarterback beat you. You know,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: the fact that they've now signed Cannon to the fifty three,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I assumed he was gonna play anyway. But
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: we're gonna probably see a lot of that tackle eligible,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: all of that all all day. Yeah, both teams. Actually,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: the Lions run more six oh line tackle eligible than
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: any team in the league, So they are number one
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: in the league in that, and now the Patriots are
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be number one in the league after last
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: week and this week except for their entirety of their
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: offensive lines on the Intry report. Yeah, but yeah, there
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of this is we're talking about throwback uniforms.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Is a throwback game, right, These are two teams that
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: want to run the football. The Lions are very heavy
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: under center. They're a very heavy run team. Early down
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: run frequency for both teams is very high up there
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, when they run the football
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: on first and second down. So this is a throwback game.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: When the throwback unis which I like that symmetry. Yeah,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: but no lions throwbacks. All we need is mud mud.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: We're not going to get that. Uh, Brendan writes in uh.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: He says, if Zappy ends up getting few getting a
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: few incredible performances, how do you think that will affect
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: the QB depth? If well? Could he take the backup
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: toll from Hawaiian Howier? Yes? I mean I think that's
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: that's the goal is for him probably next year to
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: just be the number two guy. Yeah, right, that could
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: be positive to come out of this would be the
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: greatest little thing. But yeah, you know, when's Mac going
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: to come back? And you know how much is that
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: be going to get a chance to develop? I mean,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: I think he's getting a week this week to prepare
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: and you know, see what it's really like, and you know,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: hopefully they'll kind of tailor some more things in the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: plan to him. Um, but you know, how does it
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: go if he's got to go three weeks four weeks
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: when he really has to start to improve to as
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: other teams get a sense of him and what they're
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: doing with him. And so I don't know that I
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: mean that that that would be the interesting stuff to
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: take from this if he has to start for a
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: little while, slide right, I want to be off camera
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: that what's the point. Also give well, you are in charge,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: you can control that. Also give a shout out to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: bb for not listening to all the haters even if
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: we are losing right now. Judon and the other guys
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: being such great characters on the team and that's how
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: I want to be represented. So how how is he
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: listening to haters? If Judon is a great character? I
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: don't know, Brandon that one shout out for Belichick for
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: trying to win games. I mean, I mean, how many
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: head coaches out there would you think would be trying
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: to win games? I personality though, I mean, I think
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: that's having a great game season. So I mean, like, like,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: does he mean like he's a great character, so play
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: him any like? I don't understand. I don't care. I
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: think in some ways Judon's having a better start than
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: he did last year. But he was new to the
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: team last year, so as new and exciting that this
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: free agent is coming onto the scene and has a
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: sack in every single game. But this year he's got
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: a sack in every single game again, And it's not
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: just a saxon overtime. He pressures Rogers on third down.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Early on in the game, he had another pressure, so
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: it's having a great start. He just looks quicker to me,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: like I don't know if he's in better shape or something,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: but he just seems to have a little bit more
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: of a closing burst to me a couple of times
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: against Rogers where it was, you know, like that extra
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: little boost right as he's getting to the quarterback where
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: it's he thinks maybe he can get it away. But
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: I think he's, uh, he's looked really good. Um, Jonathan
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: has actually his email says Jonathan, but his name is
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Rusty Arland. I guess that's his nickname. He wants he
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: wants to make heads details over this Mac being a
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: practice thing. Yeah, he says. Teams know just because he's
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: at practice doesn't mean he has a chance to play.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: So what's the point Is it just to create some
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: pressure on Mac to play after he's been practicing for
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: three weeks. That's the only explanation I can come up with.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: I think Mac wants to be out there. Yeah, I
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: think Mac wants to be out there. Yeah. I think
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: the team is like, you know, do what you want,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: and I think he wants to be out there. I mean,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: what I was saying to Paul this morning is like,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I just hope this isn't like an overcorrection on the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: fact that he took some crap for how he left
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the field in that last game. And he feels like
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: he has something approved now by coming back early from
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: this injury. But I just I just hope they're smart
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: about it. I mean, that's not what one of the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Patriots players said when they had one of those reports,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: like I hope we're smart about this. And you know,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: at first, I think people were thinking that, like, oh,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: the team is pushing him, they want him back a sap.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: And but I think it's changed. And I mean me
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: and Paul talked a lot about this. Just it seems
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: like it it's Mac. I think it was is Um
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: the surgery. I think the team wanted him to have
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: surgery because they felt that would get him back the quickest.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: And I think that that has changed because he is
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: not having the surgery. They gave him away at the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: pizza party upstairs, Matty, I think they have a bunch
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: of Now we had Matisse bring us. It was nice
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: enough to bring a few down anybody else. No, just
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: the just the talent, just the talent move he brought
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: up for content, not Casspe. He won't be the first time,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: UM won't be the last. The Tom Brady they just
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: you know, they're taking his weapons. So Matt did send
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: me a link to a blog post about the Robert
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Kraft Bailey Zappy thing, and evidently UM noted um. Patriots
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: beat writer Bill Simmons is evidently the one. He says
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: on his latest episode his latest podcast, he says he
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: has heard from some of his quote Pats Birdies about
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: what he thinks. One thing I heard, as you know,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: I have some Pats Birdies. Kraft loves Zappy, Simmons said,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: and Kraft thought he should have started this week over Hoyer.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: He's like all in on Zappy. So I don't know
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: how Bill Simmons knows that. I know he is an
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: enormous Boston sports fan. I don't know who he would
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: be talking to that would tell him something that Robert
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Kraft was thinking. But that's that's where it came from.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: So I just wanted thanks for Matt for finding that.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: You know, if that's true, and I doubt it is
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: then I disagree with the owner. And you know, I
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: know on your show yesterday, Paul, they had a pole
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: who should it's amazing, who should start Hoyer or Zappy?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: And like over seventy percent wanted Zappy, so and I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: just don't get it. And this emailer there was a
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: pole who should start seventy five percent Mac or Zappy
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: and it was still overwhelmingly Zappy. Okay, I mean what
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: doings like he was over eighty percent over Hoyer. I
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: mean this emailer, this is Andy and Sioux City says,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I'm tired of hearing that we should play Hoyer if
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: he can go. It's stupid. Can we all agree that
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: this team is going nowhere? No? I can't agree. That's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: the part. I can't agree. That's right. That's the premise
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: that it's the wrong premise, Like we are not making
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, and if by some freaking miracle we do,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: it's not lasting long. With that said, there is zero
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: reasons to play Hoyer. I don't care if Zappy can
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: only run ten plays, get him out there and get
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: him some rep What about the rest of the team.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Don't we want to see what everyone else can do too.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: If you were four and nine the ball and just
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: and just forget about the wide receivers. If you were
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: four and nine and really playing for nothing, then I
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: could say, like, get get the rookie some reps. Let's
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: see if he can be the number two guy next year.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: We won't need to spend say a million or two
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: on a backup quarterback. We can get a rookie fourth
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: round contract in year two is my backup? Yeah? It
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: makes sense. Right now, I'm unwilling to accept the premise
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: that the season is over, he says. Hasn't Fred been
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: saying you only get better by playing? Yeah? That goes
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: with for all players, not just Bailey Zappy, It goes
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: for Cole Strange, It goes for a galore, It goes
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: for you know, all these guys need to play more.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: And if you limit the playbook to just running plays,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: you're not helping anybody, you know. So I don't get it.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Hoyer knows the offense better, he could run more plays.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe ten years from now Zappy's still in the league
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: and he turns out to be a better quarterback than
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: a Hoyer. Maybe, But right now, I don't think the
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Patriots are out of it, and I want to give
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: them the best chance to win. And right now I
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: think it's a healthy Hoyer. Now he's out, he's not
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: gonna play, so it's gonna be Zappy. So it's a
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: moot point, right, But I don't understand this thing that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: you know, let's see Zappy, the obsession over Bailey Zappy's
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: I was already triggered to buy it yesterday and it's
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: still I mean, do you think it's all that different
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: though then like Jared's did him like a couple of
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: years now, it's just anytime you have a backup quarterback
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: that you don't quite know, and and that whole year
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: you had they really like Stidham, like they're gonna go
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: with Stidham, then they signed Cam Newton. I just think
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: all this like you're gonna get your wish. You're gonna
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: get to see Bailey's appy this weekend against one of
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: the worst defenses in the NFL, and then let's regroup
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: after that, see how he does with a week to prepare.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: So this is, you know, it's favorable conditions now for
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: him as much as they can be for you know,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: for a fourth round pick that just got you know,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: out of college. So we'll see, let's see, we'll see
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: how he does, and if he does really well, then
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe those people are right. But I think
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: it's a pointless debate right now because it's just it's
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. He's gonna play this weekend. I'm convinced that
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: this decision was made for everyone this week you know,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: thank God? Yeah, because you know, I can't. I don't
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: understand the controversy. I don't understand any of this with
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Bailey's appy. And I pose this question to Alex yesterday
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: on Patriots Cash twenty two. Here we go Wednesday three,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: and I see, because Alex is not to throw him
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: unt of the bus. But he's a appy guy, right.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: He liked Zappy in college and was happy that they
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: drafted him. So I said, what is because I don't
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: see it, Like, what is it that people saw out
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: of that game on Sunday that have them convinced that
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy is now going to be the guy or
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: is now some great quarterback or whatever you want to
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: call it. And he said that he didn't throw any interceptions.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, so that's the that's the bottom line
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: is that if you only drop back to pass eighteen times.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Six of them are off play action and all the
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: other ones there's some sort of manage drop back where
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: you really only have one read going on on the field,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: and he don't throw it to the other team. Now,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you are franchise quarterback like that
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: is our that's our baseline now for it, because that's ridiculous.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: How bad would you have to be to throw an
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: interception in those conditions? Right out the fact that he
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: froze in the pocket twice and took two sacks in
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: the game, that he missed a open Hunter Henry on
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: third down and overtime because he panicked in the pocket again.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: But let's take all of that out, because he didn't
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: throw the ball to the other team. He's yeah, don't
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: mean that game either. My real question would be what
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: did Hoyer do in that game? Forget about what you
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: think of Hoyer? Right? What did Hoyer do in that
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: game that you said can't play him again? Right? Right?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Because yesterday I think you were kind of making the
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, he threw six passes the other guy through fifteen.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: He played the whole game. He played the whole He
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: played four quarters worth of football and he threw fifteen
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: passes Hoyer through six. Does that tell you a little
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: bit about what the coaches thought, right? I don't know, Like,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: do you want to win? I mean, or you just
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: want to see this new guy? Right? And if you
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: think that, like the emailer said that the season is over, yeah,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: then that's different. That's fine. I don't think like that.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: At one in three. I think there's far too much
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: football to be even if he think the season's over.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: I want to see the offense run at its full capacity,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: meaning the full play book, you know, and with Zappy
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: you really can't do that. Yeah. Yeah, if I thought
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: the season was really over, I would never advocate hoy
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: or over Zappy, Okay, because I think you better served
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: long term to get another quarterback as much. I mean,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: you have an opportunity now. Is unfortunate as it is
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: to not have your starting quarterback available, So I don't
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: need a thirty something year old veteran backup to play.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: That's not helping my offense. I don't know. I don't
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: run my team just for one guy. I'm not running
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: it for one guy. I'm running it for the team.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: It's better for the team to have a young guy,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: get reps if you're if you're truly out of it.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Not at one in three. We're not even close to that.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, you lose the next two games and you're
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: one in six and you're one in five. Rather that's
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: that could be a different story, But that's not for
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: one guy. That's not just for Bailey Zappy. That helps
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: the team. Do I need a backup quarterback next year
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: that I have to pay for? Well? Can I save
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: some money on that slot and have this guy who's
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: going to be every bit is effective as a as
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: a backup or maybe he can't play. We find that
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: out now. It's just interesting because I think the goal
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: when they drafted Mac and now that they're crafting this
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: offense around Mac Jones. Bailey Zappy ran an air raid
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: system at Western Kentucky. But there are some similarities to
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: where they're going, and I feel like the system fit
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: the new system, fit whatever you want to call it.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: As Mac as the starter and Bailey as the backup
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Like they're very stylistically similar quarterbacks.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: So what I found interesting on Sunday was that they
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: ran a bunch of under center stuff with Bailey Zappy
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: at Western Kentucky. I think you can count on one
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: hand the amount of times he was under center. Like
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: it's a spread air raid offense where even kneel downs.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: They took kneel downs in the gun. He didn't even
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: go under center for kneel downs. So that's the type
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: of offense. They ran the Hilltoppers, by the way, and
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: they come out on Sunday and he's under center a bunch.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: And I asked him about it yesterday and he said,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: I feel a lot more comfortable with it than I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: did a year ago playing under center. So he's been
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: working on it hard. You know. After practice he said,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: why do you think they did that? Well, I think
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: that the opportunity is off play action. We're just making
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: it so easy for him to complete passes down the
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: field that it was the right thing to do. I mean,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: you don't get a wide open Davante Parker for a
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: touchdown twenty five yards out without some play action and
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: some misdirection. He's selling him short. He runs play action
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: better better than Mac, really, Ben ben voland they need
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: to get Mac up to speed on these play actions.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with the fact that you're ran
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: the ball thirty eight plays in a row and had
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: him under center and ran a couple of play Actually,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: it really sells that fake Zack and Brighton. In your opinion,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: do you think there is a better approach to Thornton's return,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: assuming he is close to fully healthy. Either A, start
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: him as soon as he's available, but with Zappi at quarterback,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: or B give him some extra time over these twenty
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: one days and see if you could time it out
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: with Mac returning. Well, let's let's throw the Thornton question
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: at Evan. I'm curious what my short answer to that is.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: I don't it's the quarterback that any of the quarterback
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: shouldn't impact Thornton's return. It should be his health. Um.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: The question we discussed earlier, UM was Thornton comes back?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: How do you how do you divide up the snaps?
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Like who kind of who do you eat into? Or
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: do I mean do you even? I mean does something
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: have to be done? I mean you can't them to
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: eat into? Or who will they eat? What do you
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: think will have I'll answer both. I think the first
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: one who I want to see them eating the snaps
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: is DeVante Parker because we're all in agreement, Tykwon should
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: be playing the X, right, and you have him at
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: the X and Aglare at the Z on first down,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you got some speed on
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: the field and in their under center stuff and the
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: things that they do out of that personnel grouping, the
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: X is really the one that's taking the top off
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: the defense, and the Z is the guy that's going
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: to see all the targets. So the ball is not
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: necessarily going to go to Tykewon Thornton unless the safety
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: jumps Nelson underneath or it's a breasted coverage or something
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: like that. So it's not like he's going to go
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: in and play his high volume role, which I think
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: is probably for the best at least until that collarbone
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: is one hundred and ten percent and stead of just,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: you know, a hundred. So I would like to see
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: him get in there with some of those snaps for
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: DeVante Parker because really, other than that, I mean, you're
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: not going to have him play in little Jordan Humphrey
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: spot because you're not gonna have him block like that
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: like little Jordan Humphries blocking, And I don't really know
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: where else he fits in, So it's really just kind
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: of that's your really your only option. But what I
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: got to do, I got the need for speed. I mean,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: I gotta see Taekwon like this is. This is a
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: guy in training camp that clearly showed that he can
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: do something on the football field with that four two eight,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: and they desperately needed. I mean, him and Agala are
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: together is as fast as they've been on the outside
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: and in quite some time, probably like Brandon Cooks. Yeah,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: and what what I like to see from him, uh
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: during the summer was he got off the line quick.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: He wasn't just fast, he was able to get free
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: quickly off the line, which I wondered about, you know,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: because can he get jammed up and we'll let you know,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: stunt his ability to get down field. But no, he
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: was able to elude the guy even when it was
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: I press. He was able to get around him really quickly. Yeah,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: it was. It was similar to what I kind of said.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was saying, put him on between the twenties,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: you know, to stretch the field the night. I mean,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: I like the Parker can test to catch of it all.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: But I don't know how effective that is up and
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: down the field. You know, put him in in the
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: red zone and chuck him out. I think Parker's the
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: guy too. I just I'm looking at the amount of
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: playing time that Parker gets and I think it's unrealistic.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Like I think they love him. That's that's where I'm
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: at with it, too, is that that's the guy. That
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: is the obvious way to get him off the field.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if they'll take Parker off the
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: field based off of what they've done. But I think
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: at the same time, you got the vertical element, and
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: you also have Tai Kwon potentially horizontally stretching the defense
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: as well. Like even I don't think it'd be a
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: great idea to give a hundred and seventy five pound
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: receiver jet sweeps and things like that, but even the
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: threat of him coming in motion or something like that
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: before the snap can get the defense to do some
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: different things that can open up some holes for other guy.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: So those are the types of things that I just
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's too the speed translated too well in
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: training camp and in the preseason to not use it
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: in some capacity, even if he's only out there for
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: fifteen twenty snaps a game. And I wondered if it
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: might do something with Born, you know, maybe move him
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: before the deadline for something they feel because I don't
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: know if there's enough snaps. I mean, they already can't
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: seem to get Born any like significant playing time. As
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: you said, they love Humphrey in this role. I mean,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: obviously they wouldn't put as you said, they wouldn't put
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Thornton in that role. But could you eliminate Humphrey from
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: the equation and just not have I mean, I don't
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: think a lot of teams, you know, have wide receivers
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: that they think, up, we got to have him, you know,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: out there thirty five forty five players a game because
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: we need to run the ball like wide receiver. I
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: don't think that that's a necessity to your your running game. Um.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: I wonder if how they find a way to get
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: him not only onto the roster, but in all in
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: the offense. Tim writes in I was also at the
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: game in seventy nine when a halftime the crowd determined
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: the logo going forward. I believe it was a Monday
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: night game, and what I remember most was yelling at
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: people not to boo the new logo since it was
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: a decibel meter making the call. I agree. A lot
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: of people didn't like the Patriots logo the old one,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: but I always loved it and can't wait to wear
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: the old logo Sunday and see it on the field.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Have a great day. And by the way, Evan has
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: been a great addition to the team. I find him
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: very knowledgeable and he has a great way about him.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: So you can unblock him on the bush. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: they were. People were yelling we want the old one
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: at that game. By the way, it was a Sunday,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: It was a Sunday game. It was a regular Sunday game. Okay,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: I do remember it, okay. And someone actually had sent me, Um,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: this is a while back now. Someone had sent me
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: like an old newspaper clip from it the team like
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: it was all a Billy Sullivan production, Like they came
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: up with it in marketing, like it was a whole
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: campaign and they put a release out with it. This
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: is what they're gonna do. This is how it's going
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: to get voted on. And the email is right, Um,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: negative comments for one or the other, We're just going
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: to get attached to pod. Like they couldn't decipher whether
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: or not you were saying we want this or we
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: hate this. If there was noise that was going to
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: get a vote for the you know, and people would
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: literally yeah. It was like it was like Reagan Mondale. Yeah,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: like it was a complete blow with a blowout. This
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: is the problem with nineteen seventy ninety. Nowadays, we can
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: just do a Twitter poll and there's there's no decibel
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: levels that we need to worry about. But I remember
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: that what didn't that old logo have, Like the flag
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: was like it was a little Yeah, it was an
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: awful logo that was worse. It was. Yeah, the old
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: one was better than than the new one, but it
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: was little. It was a little Elvis like, but it
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: had it had the flag waving at the end. It
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: was kind of more square. Okay, um, it was. It
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: was kind of funny looking. I agree the pat Patriot
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: was better. Andrew and La the poll on ninety eight
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: point point five should have been a mack at seventy
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: five percent, be zappy see a healthy Hoyer or d
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: not having fun going twelve and four every year. That's
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: that's what I appreciate that. Thank you, not just produce
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: Oh it's a burden. We lived through it. You know,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: we didn't know how we made it. Do you think
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: he was the championship be here or an India and
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: you was so depressed. It amazes me how that depressed you, Joel. Right, then,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: if Zappy comports himself well against the Lions and finds
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: a way to win, is there any financial benefit to
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: cutting Hoyer and going with Zappy as QB two. It's
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: actually a detriment to their salary cap. There's dead money. Yeah,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: he's got guaranteed money. Everybody hates Brian Hoyer. That's why
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: they just want him to be a coach or just
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: get out of the way. Yeah, that's why they couldn't
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: do the you know, check with us later thing with
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer on cutdown days because they guarantee him money
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: this year. Let's see Brent in Indiana. One of those
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: tight ends that isn't top of the line talent but
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: is producing reasonably well is the Jets tight end. He
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: also has had Flacco and Wilson throwing to him. So
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: what I was saying earlier, you weren't here. You know,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: I just wish we could get some production out of
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: our tight end position. And now I know Smith is
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: hurt now, But like I watch other NFL games and
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: it just seems like even average tight ends are getting
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: like one or two plays a game where they're like
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: twenty yards down field and wide open. And I think
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: it's because I would the Jets have good wide receiver. Yes,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: none of them would make that argument. None of our
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: outside guys right now are commanding double teams and it's
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: allowing teams to kind of crowd the middle in our
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: tight ends just aren't. We don't have those opportunities now.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: It could come down the quarterback play too, but I
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: just wish we could get those, you know, one or
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: two plays out of our tight ends per game that
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: other teams seem to be getting even with average tight ends.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: I think with John Who, he's a schemed tight end
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: right like, you got to use him properly. He's not
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: a route runner. To me, that's that that you know,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: what's the point there if you have to really scheme
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: it up to get to it. Well, I think that
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: that was a big reason why we saw so much
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: of the bootleg stuff in the outside zone stuff in
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: training camp was the idea was to eventually use John
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: Who on those slide routes. Where they just kind of
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: bring the guy across the formation and dump it to
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: him in the flat. And that was supposed to be
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: his role in that system, which is why it made
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: sense for him. I also would say, you know, in Tennessee,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: he was a pretty good seam runner, which we don't
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: see a lot of here, and that what I would say,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: is quarterback related. Yeah, that has trouble in the seam
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: seeing the defense. Yeah, he's more of like a slot
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: fade quarterback to drop it in the bucket instead of
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: really but to Evan's point, I saw a ton especially
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: in the spring, but even in training camp of those
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: zone runs where you know it's hard play actually you
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: give it one of these, you pull it out in
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: that little half boot and then you get the deep
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: over going to the opposite sideline, and that was Jonah
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Smith a lot. Yeah, but you an arm for that. Well,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: you need to be able to run the ball so
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: you can drop out a bucket. Yeah, but you also
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: need to a good arm together. If anybody can see that,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: that's that's the logo. That's awful. Throw that together, Like
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: you have to come up with the logo in ten minutes.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: And they're like that's no wonder the old one. It's
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: the one. It's Elvis. It is the same. It absolutely
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: is Elvis with you know, without the waving. Could make
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: it in five steps. It's like baked back to Bacon.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, you can't tell me you hate
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: this and love that. Well, I'll come on, they're not
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: even close. That's not close. I mean, well, the quality
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: of the it's just so much right. Yeah, but all
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: it is is cleaned up. It's the same concept the
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Elvis itself. It's the same face, Like, how can you
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: say that that's not it's it's not and I think
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: it's the concept is the same. The concept is the same,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: but the Elvis is much better. Come on, come on, Paul,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: come on. You know what I feel about the Elvis.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: I know, hate, but compared to that one on top,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: it's oh I don't like the one on top. I
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: didn't like the new one at the time either. But
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: I think we I think Mike is right. I think
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: we modernized it. This is all we did. The problem
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: is our mascot is a human. Yeah, you know, it
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: is tough. Yeah, unless it's like a pirate like that
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: historical human too. It's not even like a current human.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it. Technically it could be a
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: current human, but yeah, it's not the you know, And
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: I get and I get like those guys and tricorn
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: hats were probably tough mothers, you know. They they they
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: survived Mountain Boys, they survived Gettysburg and all that stuff.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: Like I can't do that, you know, but like we
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: have still the out The outfit didn't conquer, you know,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't conjure upon Getty's bird. Yeah, yeah, Germans,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: you know, like it doesn't conjure up like fear. What
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: the tricorn hat? Yeah, and the cloak cut people talking
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: crap about it. You're like, well then you're you're not American? Right,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: come on, I mean, all right, we're on the high
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: ground on patriotism. But I'm just I'm just saying. Russell
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: in Arkansas, he hears that the reason why Tom and
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: Giselle are getting a divorces because I kissed Tom. That
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: could be, yeah, it could be I could have gotten
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: back to him. Who else is he kissed? Yeah? Uh,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: let's see what else have we got, Eldred, It's almost
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: time for picks. But oh, that's right, gotta take, gotta take.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: Let me let me take Eldred off the phone line
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: and then we'll do picks. Eldred. What's up, hey, fellows,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: how y'all doing today? Good video? So where where are
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: you watching us on YouTube? Or where are you watching us? Oh? No,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: oh on the app? Okay, okay, all right, ye's feel
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: pretty good. Hey. I know you'll keep talking about the
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: tide end play. I keep wondering too, but I'm not
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: bashing the ot yet. But I've been bashing all year's season.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: But don't you think it might be on the play column?
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: You could those tied end least in rhythm of some
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: kind of plays, especially if you ever get close to
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: the goal line. Matt Patricia's dog couse must be the
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: size of Gillette Stadium, which is just silly. Don't you
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: hear what Dan Campell has to say about him? Well,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: even you probably know the answer to that. What's the
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: compared to last year through four games? How are we
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: doing in plays in the red zone in terms of percentage? Yeah?
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: Not well yeah, but I think the biggest thing that
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: you're seeing well, I mean not to like completely pick
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: on the execution again, but Hunter Henry Early on in
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: the game, Brian Hoyer throws one over his head open
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: on third down over time play. I keep bringing up
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: open over the middle, so there was opportunities to get
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry that ball. What about the trips to the
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: red zone compared to last year? They're driving the football, Well,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: they're they're always even like in the Cam Newton this year. Yeah,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: they they're yards per the red zone like twice twice
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: a game. Yards per drive, they're up up there. I
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: mean like above league average, which but I'm talking. They
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: got to the red zone twice on Sunday appared to
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: last year through four games that number. I I don't
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: know exactly. I know they're down there in red zone
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: scoring efficiency and they're and they're usually an above average
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: yards per drive team, but maybe that those drives are
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: now they're really in trouble this week because Detroit leads
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: the league and yards per play and we all know
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: that's the indication of a good team. Mike Lombardi taught
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: me that a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah, but
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: I think in the red zone you do see a
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: lot of teams. I think know that Hunter Henry is
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: the guy down I just don't think they've had as
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: many opportunities. They haven't. They haven't been in the room.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: I mean Baltimore game, they got to the red zone.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: I think they were like three for five in the
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: Baltimore game something like that. They got to the red
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: zone a lot against Baltimore. They did not get to
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: the red zone a lot against Miami Pittsburgh war right,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: but when you see they obviously understandable given Baileys out,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: But when you score from the twenty five with a
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: touchdown of Davante Parker, that's one. Okay, but that's that's
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: a third time. That's fair enough. I mean, I'm just wondering, like,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: how many opportunities has Hunter Henry had in the red
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: I just think, why does he only get Why does
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: he only have to have opportunities in the red zone.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: That's the part I don't get that he was very
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: effective there last year, but he was very effective in
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: the entirety of the field. He had fifty catches, only
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: nine of them were touchdowns. So right now, and yards
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: per drive, the Patriots are eighteenth in the league, so
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: right around league average in offensive yards per drive, so
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: they're they're not a bad team in terms of actually
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: moving the ball between that's not the question. No, I
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: know what the question is. That one is the next
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: level one that I'm gonna have to do. Missus Stetton's
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: like bill, like opening day. I mean we crossed midfield
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: five times? Wow? Yeah? Whoa yeah? How many times have
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: they been in the red zone? Red zone opportunities? What else? Saldrid?
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: My question? Do I hate if they do this? Get
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: rid of boring? But okay, they say they'd trade them.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: What about the money you guaranteed him whatever they did?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: Money or do if you trade them, the salary goes
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: to the team that trades form. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, the
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: base salt the best salary. That's different than cutting him
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: when when you cut him, because you have to absorb,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: you have to absorb everything. Okay, okay, but but it's
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: a clime waste just to waste their guy because of something,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: to have him doing the stormber or whatever. Yeah. I
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: don't think it's just that that's too much. I don't
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: all right, thank you, thanks Aldred. It's that time of
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: the week, Paul. What happened last week? All right? Uh? Well,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: this blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: That's me Mike thirteen and three, Wow, followed by Evan
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: and Paul at twelve and four, and Alex and Fred
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: at eleven and five. So you can see it was
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: a rather easy week week with the spread Mike and
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: Paul at ten five and one, followed by Evan at
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: nine six and one, Fred at eight seven and one.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Congrats Fred one game over five hundred and Alex six
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: nine and one. So these are the standings as follows. Overall,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: Paul continues to dominate thirty nine twenty four and one,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: so Mike thirty three thirty in one and Fred thirty
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: two thirty and one. So they're the only ones that
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: have all four weeks. Evan twelve and four obviously, Alex
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: thirty and eighteen I think she's done three weeks, and
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: Tamara seven eight and one. So with the spread for
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: the season it is Paul thirty seven twenty six and one,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: followed by Mike at thirty thirty three and one, Fred
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: at twenty four thirty nine and one, Alex is twenty
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: two twenty five and one, and then Evan and so
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: it's getting very confusing on my sheet. Now I have
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: partial weeks, I have people coming and going, I have
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: people emailing picks after the fact, we'll have to start
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: to win percentage instead of the actual number. All right, Tonight,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Thursday night, eight fifteen, the Colts are of course in
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: Denver playing the Broncos. One two and one Colts against
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: the two and two Broncos. Yeah no, Jonathan Taylor, right,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: So that's that's a big one. They're outdoors in Denver
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: battle the Peyton Mannings. Uh. You know what, I'm gonna
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: go with Indie for the upset in Denver. I'm taking Denver.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Matt Ryan leads the league in fumbles right now by quarterbacks,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: has nine fumbles through four games, no one. And that's
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: what Trevor Lawrence having four last game alone. Wow. So
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: Denver both ways, both ways, I will take Denver to
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: win the game. I will take the hook however, in
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: India to keep it close. It's three and a hay three. Yeah,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Broncos both ways. Um, Sunday,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: this is in the morning at nine thirty Eastern time
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. The three and one Giants are
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: being hosted by the three and one Packers. Packers by
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: eight and a half. You know this is the first
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: time that teams with winning records played each other in London?
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Wow? Good for London's good for London,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: good for the London. I'm gonna take green Bay to win,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna take those points. I think it'll I
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: think it'll be a little close. I don't think green
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: Bay's ready to roll just yet. I'm doing the same thing,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: exact same reason. Yeah, I'm only taking green Bay both
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: ways because I think their giants are gonna be down
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: to like, I don't know, Davis web or someone who's
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: playing quarterback for the Giants. Yeah, if they had Daniel
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Jones was healthy, I would I would take the points,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: but I won't. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: he's healthy. Even if he plays, I'm gonna take the
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: pack both ways. Yeah. I think Bill calls Aaron Rodgers
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: during the week and tells him how to be Brian Dable.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? Ill? We're not like Brian Dable? Now. Well,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: you know, Aaron's his new his new buddy. It's Aaron
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: from State Farm. Three in the morning. Hey, boo oh
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: you up. This is how you be, This is how
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: you beat Brian. He's just so good. I was just
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: thinking about that passenger against US. So he played like
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: he was in a coma for thirty plus minutes. But
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: he's just so good. Uh. Sunday at one, the one
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: in three Steelers are at the three and one Bills
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Bills by fourteen. Kenny two gloves. I actually think he's
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: gonna be okay for them. He's got to be better
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: than your bisky, right, um. But I don't think it's
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: gonna matter. I think Buffalo. I think Buffalo is gonna
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: get back on track. I think a lot of injuries though,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna take Buffalo to win, but
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take the points for fun. I'm going
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: to do the same thing. It's just because whenever it's fourteen,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: it spread like that is a lot, even for the Bills.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: I agree, it's a lot. I'm gonna lay the points. However,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: I just think Buffalo that was a big win for
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: them last week. I think that they build off of that.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: This would be a good time for me to say
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: how wrong I was about Pittsburgh just sort of continuing
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: without Roethlisberger. I missed that one. Yeah, I thought they'd
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: be better. I thought they would get better quarterback play
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: than they did last year. It's basically been the same terrible.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting the Steelers and the Patriots are
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: always wrong one in three. But I think if you
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: ask the average Patriot fan, they would say, oh, we're
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: in a much better position than the Steelers. But are
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: we you know, like well they I mean, we're both
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: have quarterback problems right now. Yeah, and they lost their
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: best player I mean by far and T J. Watt. Yeah, true,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think they're in a good spot.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah I don't. I do think that the Steamer's season
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: is closer to being over than the Patriots. Yeah, sure,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: I would concur but I think there's a little zappy
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: thing going on where you're about to put your rookie
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: quarterback in and you have that like optimism of like,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe he's gonna be amazing, you know
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: that guy, that's what people do one day. One day,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to see him have a bad day. I'm
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: gonna go with the Bills. Both ways. They will cover
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: Sunday at one The two and two Chargers are at
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: the two and two Cleveland Browns Chargers by two and
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: a half Herbert, A lot of a lot of injuries
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: continue for the Charges. I'm gonna go with Cleveland as
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: home dogs. I just I think they'll I think they'll
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: hold surf. Do we know if Miles Garrett's playing in
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: this game or not because he practiced Yester accident, he
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: did practice yesterday. I'll go with Herbert and we'll go
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: with the better quarterback. This is a tough one. Take
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: the Chargers. I'll take them. Yeah. I do worry about
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Mike's right about the injuries for the Chargers, but I
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: just can't bet on Jacoby Brissette. I'll take the Chargers. Yeah,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: I will too. Um Sunday at one, the O three
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: and one Texans visit the two and two Jaguar, the
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: only winless team in football. Jacksonville by seven. Yeah, I'm
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: gonna take Jacksonville. I think they're they're working with an
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: actual football team this year. I will I will lay
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: the points as well. I'll take Jacksonville and I'll take
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: the points as well. They'll take the points. Yeah, Okay,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do Lama. I like, Yeah, I'm gonna do
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: the same as ev. I'm gonna take take the points.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: I'll take Jacksonville to win, but Houston to hang around
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: and keep it reasonably close. Does it make me a
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: bad Patriots fans problem rooting for Trevor Lawrence? No? No, why?
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: I think? Well, he's AFC. Don't fall into like this
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: like psycho but the question. But it's a psychosis. The
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: only Patriots fans would be concerned about. Like, if you're
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: a guy, if you a guy is good, why do
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: you care about anybody else? I'm rooting Trevor Lawrence. I
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: want to do it, you know, but somehow your guy
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: can't just be good. He has to like eat better
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: than all the other guys that were drafted. I know.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: I like, if you're a guy's good and you win
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: a super Bowl with him, what do you care? I know?
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: But I do want. I want Trevor Lawrence to do well.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: I feel bad for him. I think he's really good.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you the guy I feel bad for now
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: his fields because I watched some clips that Danilowski put
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: together with that game that was criminal. Some of the
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: like just taking a shotgun snap, catching the snap, looking
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: up and having three guys within like two yards of them. Well,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Jacksonville. Both ways. And speaking of
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: the Bears, Uh, they're at two and two and they're
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: heading to Minnesota to take on the three and one Vikings.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Vikings by seven. How how they got two wins. I'm
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: gonna take the Vikings at home, not on prime time.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: I think that. I think they'll beat up on Chicago. Yeah,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: I agree with that as well, Kirk Cousins at one
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: o'clock when nobody's watching Prime Time right there, I'll take
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: the Vikings. Like I said, that Chicago team I think
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: is the worst in football. Yeah, I will as well. Uh.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: Sunday at one, the two and two Seahawks are at
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: the one and three Saints. Saints by five and a
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: half over the fighting Gino Smiths. Yeah, fighting Gino Smiths
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: get more respect than they should. Yes, I know some
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: people thought they were like a Peter dark Horse super
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: Bowl team, right. Um, Yeah, I'm gonna tough one. You
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: lose your quarterback, though, I don't know I'm gonna. I'm
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: gonna take New Orleans to win, but I'm gonna take
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: those points for Seattle. I'm taking Gino straight up. It's tempting. Yeah,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: I will take New Orleans both ways. I'm gonna take
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: the points. But are you taking New Orleans to win? Yeah? Okay,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: but I'll take the points. Yep. I got it that
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: game last week by Gino against the Lions. Impresses Gino
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: cook better than Russell Wilson, Papa Gino. Um Sunday at one,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: the three and one Dolphins are at the two and
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: two Jets Teddy Bridgewater. Yeah, Miami buy three. Miami by
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: three with Teddy two gloves. Uh, Jets. Jets are playing
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: a little bit better. But I'm gonna I'm gonna go
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: with Miami even with Teddy two gloves. I will lay
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: those points. I'm taking Miami. I'm taking them to cover.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: You have Tyreek Hill on your team. A lot of
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: people can play quarterback. Be interested in to see how
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: they use Sauce Gardner in that game against those dynamic receivers.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: But I'm with the panel, hair, I'll take Miami both ways.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: They'll play n folks. This is your upset, lock of
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: the way. I hope you're right. Win this game out right,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: that would be awesome. They're underdogs, so if they win,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: so it'll be out right if they win out right, Yes,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: that's how you say it. That was gambling probably I
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: don't understand. Good job, good job, Fred. What does the Fred? Now? Yeah?
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, so I'm not fading the Jets this week?
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: How could you? Sunday at one the two and two
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: Falcons are at the two and two Buccaneers. But what
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: is the mindset of the quarterback? He's also hurt shoulder
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: and finger injuring. Yeah, Bucks by nine, Noine, I guess
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: the Sharps don't think it'll affect him that Noick, Marcus Mariota,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: what did you just say, Mordicus Mariota before that? I
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: don't know. I want you to replay that one again.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: I need that one, but I want that one over
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: the weekend. I think he just did it again. And
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: you know what I heard, right, yea, yea, yeah, no, yeah,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: you don't even know what you're doing it with that
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: smile on your face. That how do you do? To
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: the video? Go to the video. I'm gonna I'll take Tampa.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: I'll take Tampa and I'll lay the points. I'm assuming
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: this spread is what it is because the Bucks own
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: the Falcons and the Brady era. That's one of those
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: divisional things, and I like the Bucks. No. Cordell Patterson
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: anymore for Atlanta is a big one. Yeah, I'm gonna
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: take the Bucks both ways too. I think they bounced back.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: I thought the offense actually looked reasonably good last week.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: You know, some of it was was window dressing at
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: the end, but I thought in the first half they
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: kind of got caught their gear with with Evans and Godwin,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm will be back. I'm with team Tom. I
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: know that. I texted him. I said, if you need
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: a place to crash while you're going through this, you know,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: you need, you know, kiss or a shoulder to cry.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: You want to sleep up my couch for a couple
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: of months, you know while you get settled, extra bedroom,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: go ahead? Um yeah, so Bucks both ways. A lot
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: of Sunday at one games. Um, Titans at two and
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: two are in Washington one and three. Is anybody gonna
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: watch this game? Titan's by two and a half. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. I just can't go with Carson Wentz.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Tennessee and I'll lay the points. Yeah,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: I have enough faith in Rabel against the guy. I
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: like Carson Wentz that you take Tennessee. I don't like
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: it though, Yeah, I don't think the Titans are great,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: but I will take them to win this game. Me too, Titans.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: Right now, we skip over the Patriots at one o'clock
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: and we moved to four oh five the two and
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: two forty nine Ers led by Jimmy Garoppolo, or at
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: the Panthers one and three San Francisco buy six and
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: a half, six and half by geez, wow, that went up.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take San Francisco and I will lay the points.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: I think the worst you've mentioned Chicago, they might have worst.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: Carolina's offense is one of the worst offenses in the NFL.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: Right now, hands dead. That's another one. Roulovski spins hours,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: no rhyme or reason to what they're doing. This what
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: people thought the Matt Patricia ero was gonna be like here,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: So I'll take San Francisco and I'll take them the cover. Yeah,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: I will take the Niners as well. I think that
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: defense is legit. Yet attack. Who's that the guy that
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: kept on comparing to Troy Polamalu and the broadcast the
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: other day. I've blanking on his name, but I can play. Yeah.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: Does he have long hair? Yes, Troy polam I didn't
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: watch the game, so I don't know. I know who
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: he's talking about. Yeah, I took the Niners. I will too. Um.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Is Matt Rule gonna last a season? No? No? Is
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: this David Tepper guy like a short fuse guy. Will
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: he fire him or no? But I think he's h
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: He hasn't fired him yet, which I think is impressive honestly. Yeah.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah for a new a new owner not getting any results. Yeah, you.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: I think Evan's right. You expect those guys to be impulsive. Yeah.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: UM four twenty five, the four and no Eagles the
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: only undefeated team. UM are at the Cardinals two and
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: two Eagles by five and a half, five and a
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: hay huh. I'm gonna take Philadelphia to win. I'm gonna
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: take the points for Arizona at home. I think it'll
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: be close one. I'll do the same thing. But that
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: Cardinals team is grossly underperforming right now, and I don't
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: I don't really like trusting them at all, even to cover.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: But I'll do the same thing. Yeah, I'm gonna do
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: the same I think five and a half is too
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: many for a home dog with talent. I will take
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: the points as well. I'll take the hook is that right? Well, no,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: not really, no, but I know you meant okay, um
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: four twenty five three and one Cowboys, big surprise against
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: the two and two Rams, Rams by five and a half.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: That's an interesting one, um ms Rams and in fighting,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: couple a couple of defense and now it's a couple
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: of defensive players getting in a fight. Yeah. The other night,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: some term Stafford not playing well. He could have had
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: several picks in that game that were dropped by the
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: Nooiners lobby lagger in legal trouble for laying out the streaker,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of complications. Uh, you know, I'm gonna take
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Rams to win, but I'm gonna
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: take the points for Dallas. I think it's it's a close,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: good game, and do the same thing. The Rams are
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: in a bad way right now though their offense is
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: nobody but Cooper Rush, Cooper cups and even Aaron Donne
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: is not quite as dominant as Aaron Donald usually is.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: And he's been talking about retirement the last couple off seasons.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: You wonder if maybe he's got his ring as well
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: and slowing down well, and you know he's been thinking
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, but I am going to take the
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: Rams to bounce back, and I think this may be
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: one of those uh market correction games for Cooper Rush
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: at some point. Like I mean, I give him all
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: the credit of the word. These playing looks. They're not
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: playing games like they're playing with a backup quarterback. They're
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: playing normal football, and they're playing well. Their defense has
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: been outstanding. But I think that the Rams might might
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: break out. I'm with you, Paula. This Cooper Rush thing
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: has to end. It's an abomination us both ways. Sunday night,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: the two and two Bengals are at the two and
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: two Ravens. Ravens buy three games, So the Ravens are
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: up seventeen, say, two minutes left in the third quarter.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: What do you think happens watching That's what happens every
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: home game for the Ravens. You're watching that pregame and
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: Fred in the press box, and I was very disappointed
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: that they didn't. Oh yeah, you know, like the Bills
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: are gonna come back, aren't they. Well, when Patrick Queen
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: dropped that interception, I said, I said to Fred, if
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: they come back, that's going to be the play. Yeah,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: they overcame. That dropped interception by Patrick Queen the week before.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: Evidently he got bad hands. Yea, that's twice. I saw
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: him getting hit in the six and I saw the
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: play that Evan's talking about. I can't believe he didn't
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: catch that, y as Queen. I'm gonna take I'm gonna
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: take Baltimore to win and I'm gonna lay the points.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: Tough call, but this is a division game. I'm gonna
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: take Baltimore two and I'm going to take them to cover.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: But that secondary against that pass offense as Cincinnati does
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: scare me. Yeah, I'm gonna take the Ravens, just just
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: the the home team the game. We're in Cincinnati. As
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: you like to say, I would probably go the other way. Tough,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: tough division game. I think these are two really good
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: football teams, pretty evenly matched teams. I'll take the Ravens.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't hate the Bengals. I take them. I'm taking
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: the Ravens day night. The rain is one in three
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: at the Chiefs three and one, Kansas City by seven
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: and a half, seven and a half. I just saw
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: a stat of like Kansas City's record in division. It's ridiculous.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: I am pulling for Josh I'm gonna take Kansas City
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: to win. I do think the Raiders put up some points,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: so I will take that seven and a half points,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: but I like Kansas City to win. I'm gonna take
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: Kansas City, and I'm gonna take them to win, Big Josh.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: The best quarterback in the league right now, in my
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: mind is Patrick Mahomes. Okay, I trust controversy. I will
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: take Kansas City as well, but I'll be with Deuce.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: I will take the I will take the hook. I'm
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: with Evan. I think Kansas City rolls to a win here.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: All right. Now, we go back to one o'clock and
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: the one in three Lions are at the one in
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: three Patriots. Patriots by three and a half, three and
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: a half. I don't know who the shows like. Fred,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't have the information for you today. Okay, Well,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: the Deuce likes New England. I'm gonna take the Patriots.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: I will lay the points. I think they I think
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: they hold the lines two around twenty points. I got something,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: you know, twenty seven seventeen, somewhere in that range. I
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: think I think they win. I'm not exactly handily, but
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: by a score and a half or so. Yeah, I'll
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: take the Patriots too, but I think it's a close.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: I think you said three and a half, three and
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: a half. It's a three point game. Oh the hoof.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Freddy will be able to take that.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: You're ticker. I worry about you. Yeah, I worry about you.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: I am going to take the Patriots as well, and
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: I am going to take him to cover by the
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: slimmest of margins twenty seven twenty three. But that's enough
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: for a cover with a three and a half points spread.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: I had a dream I had last night, and I'm
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: not gonna pick this point. I had a dream that
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: the Patriots won this game, like forty three to seven.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: It's funny. I had a dream that a guy that
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: I coached baseball with a Peabody little league last night
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: was named the new head coach of the New York Jets. Okay,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: Sean Flannagan new head coach of the Jets was what
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: was the score of the Thanksgiving game where they were
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: the throwbacks, Brady long Hair? It might have been forty
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: three seven. Maybe that that game was close, that that
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: game was tied after three quarters and the Patriots won
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: it with a twenty one point just started absolutely imploye game.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: It was one of these. Of course it wasn't Matthew Stafford.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: Why would the starting quarterback play again? It was somebody
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: I feel I can't remember, but I remember the d
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: I remember the Branch touchdown. He played a great three
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: quarters and then he threw. I think he had two
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: picks in the fourth quarters. Guy, I'm gonna say that
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: Devin mccordy had a pick in that game, huh. In
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: the red uniforms. It was like forty five twenty four
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: or something like that, But that was It was twenty
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: four twenty four after three. But I gotta look at that.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: I am gonna say the Patriots win, and I think
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: they scored some points. They may not all be offensive points.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: Thirty to twenty seven. Patriots win, A cover for Detroit,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: A cover for Detroit. So that's it, shook, Fred, I
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: got your red zone stats? What's okay? All right? So
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: in four games this year, the Patriots have been to
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: the red zone ten times, so that's two and a
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: half times a game. Last year they win sixty four
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: times in seventeen games, which is three point eight times
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: per game. So over a red zone drive per game
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: more last Yeah, but I just wanted to because there
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: was the Buffalo game. There's some games in there that
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: skew it. So, I mean just through the first four games. No, no,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: but that's he's telling you. They've been in there over
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: a possession less per game than last year. But he
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: did over sixty over sixteen games, sixty four trips. Why
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: do you have to make everything so complicent? Can do?
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: Answer to the question is always simple. You guys can
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: over complicate this point. They haven't been in the red
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: zone often. You're you're correct, I know, but it might
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: even be worse than he's saying, is what I'm saying.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: They were a top ten red zone scoring team last year,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: seventh in the league. This year there's twenty yeah, twenty first.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: But he's asking how many times they were in the
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: red zone? Right, red zone opportunities, red zone opportunities. He
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: gave the numbers. They've always been there. Okay, if in
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: one of those games they were there twice as often
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: as they normally are, all right, the other three games
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: they weren't there at all. You know, who can pick that?
• 1:59:10
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• 1:59:14
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• 1:59:18
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