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E. Michael Jones on Logos, Revolution, and the Battle for the Catholic Mind Culture Wars | Jewish Revolutionary Spirit · Virtuous Leaders with Dr. Johann D'Souza

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This is Virtuous Leaders, the podcast for based Catholics who
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will speak truth, do good or die trying.
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Here's the show here with Doctor E Michael Jones, the founder of
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Culture Wars. In 1980, he was fired from Saint
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Mary's College Catholic College for being pro-life.
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And as far as I can tell, Doctor Jones, you've been persecuted
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and cancelled ever since I did the Google test.
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So I googled your name and of course the first things that
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came up were anti defamation league accusing you of being
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anti-Semitic. Southern poverty Law Center, the
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same thing. Couldn't find your personal
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website, culture wars. And I used DuckDuckGo and got
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your the first hit was culture wars.
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So you made it in my book. You're a very interesting
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person. First question are are you
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anti-Semitic and if so, why? This is a good question.
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This is a good question because the Catholic Bishops, there's a
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Bishop Joseph Bambera of Scranton, PA, just issued a
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statement, a joint statement written by the American Jewish
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Committee and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
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And it's basically a glossary of words that Catholics are not
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allowed to use because if they use them, they will be
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committing the sin of anti-Semitism.
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Now this, this is unprecedented. This is unprecedented in the
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history of the Catholic Church. There has never been a time when
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the Vatican has issued a glossary of words that you are
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not allowed to use, never in Catholic history.
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If we want to go back to, let's go back to the beginning, there
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was an issue at the beginning and the issue with the Catholics
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was can you become a Catholic? Can you become a follower of
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Jesus Christ without becoming a Jew?
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Do I have to become circumcised in order to follow Jesus Christ?
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Do I have to abstain from pork if I want to be a good
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Christian? And it was a turned out to be a
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battle between Saint Paul and Saint Peter.
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And Saint Paul said, no, you can't put these burdens on the
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on the new converts. And Saint Peter had to basically
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capitulate to what Saint Paul said.
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This was all created back then. And now we are as, as Bernard of
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Clairvaux would say, we are returning to the vomit of
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Judaism. We are now in a position where a
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Catholic Bishop is going to impose Jewish fables on the
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Catholic faithful is the name of Catholic morality.
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This shows you how far we have come.
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This has never happened before in the history of the Catholic
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Church. And I'm saying I got into it
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early. I could see it coming.
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And that's when I started wrote the book called the Jewish
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Revolutionary Spirit. It was the time it was began at
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around the 2003 with America getting involved in the Iraq
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War. I realized that the the
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so-called deal conservatives, a Jewish revolutionary movement
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had taken over America's foreign policy and we're driving America
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into a war with Iraq that had no benefit for the American people
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and only benefited Israel. And that was the beginning of my
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let's, how, how are we going to assess this problem?
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We didn't have the vocabulary. It was there in the tradition,
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but at this point we had been deprived of the vocabulary
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largely because of, of what I would call a misinterpretation
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of Vatican 2, specifically the, the, the, the doctor doctor
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document called Nosferati, which was on other religions.
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The most important part was on the Jewish religion, on Judaism,
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and in that document it said the Catholic Church said the church
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opposes all forms of anti-Semitism.
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And what does that mean? They never defined
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anti-Semitism. And so here you're saying the
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church opposes something and you didn't tell us what it was.
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I'm saying that was the case because every Bishop at the
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council had a clear understanding of what the word
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anti-Semitism meant, and they knew it was a term for
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biological determinism because the man who created the term was
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Vilhelmar. He was a revolutionary in the
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revolution of 1848. In 7 to 1871, he published a
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book called The Desi Disunes, Ibra Deska, Modern Tombs, OK,
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The Victory of Jewishness over Germanness, which he was
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complaining about the Jewish takeover of German culture.
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By the end of the eighth of the 19th century, everybody in
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Europe was talking about the Jewish question.
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And so if you go back to the Second Vatican Council and you
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ask those bishops, they would say, well, it's it's biological
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determinism. You're saying that Jews are
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determined by their their behaviors, determined by their
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DNA. Now, this is impossible from a
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Catholic perspective, OK? It's impossible because the
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fundamental crisis that was the center of human history took
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place in Jerusalem at the time when Jesus Christ the the
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Messiah arrived and everybody in that battle shared the same DNA.
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They were all Semites. The deep distinction between the
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people who the Jews who accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah
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and the Jews who killed Jesus Christ was theological, didn't
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have anything with biology. And I, so I, when I wrote the
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the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, I said we have to return this
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argument to its original matrix, which is theology.
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And so I defined the Jew because I had to, because no one else
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could define it. It was, it had been weaponized
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to the appoint the same way the word anti-Semitism had been
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weaponized to mean anything they wanted.
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And so I said no, no, it goes back to the to the fundamental
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question of whether the Jews are going to accept Jesus Christ as
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the Messiah. And the Jews who rejected him
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rejected the Logos Incarnate. And when you reject the Logos,
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you'll be rejecting the order of the universe.
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And where you reject that, you become a revolutionary.
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And that is Jewish identity from then to this day.
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And if you don't believe me, read the book, go buy the book.
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You can't find it on Amazon. You have to go to
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fidelitypress.org. That's the book that now defines
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the term. Now to get back to that
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document, the Bishop, at one point in this document, Bishop
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Bambera says, yeah, we have to define anti-Semitism.
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I thought, oh, well, here's a hopeful sign.
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If the church can enter in and clarify the situation, what does
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he do? He accepts the International
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Holocaust Remembrance Association's definition of
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anti-Semitism, which begins a certain perception.
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You cannot have a definition of something as a certain
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perception, especially if the Jews are determining the
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perception. So to get back to your original
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question, no, I am not an anti semite, OK, Because I do not
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accept the original meaning of the term, which is a biological
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determinism. And if you have another
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definition, I'm willing to hear it, but it's not going to be a
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certain perception because we have now de facto what the word
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means. Is it Anyone who criticizes Jews
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is an anti Semite. That's the definition right now.
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Anyone who says something that Jews don't like is an anti
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Semite. And once you're an anti Semite,
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they had, they are justified in doing anything.
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They want to destroy you, including killing you.
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Now this was a dramatic change took here where it is obvious to
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the world now because of what happened in Gaza.
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OK, the Israelis now have the right to engage in genocide
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because the Palestinians are anti Semites.
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That's the crisis right now. This is the crisis that is
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afflicting the entire world. How do we deal with the fact
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that the Jews now consider themselves not bound by any law
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other than the law of their own ethnic supremacy?
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How do we deal with the how does the world deal with an issue
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where they have the right to go in and exterminate women and
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children, blow up hospitals every day?
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You have some atrocity now that we are all faced with because we
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can get it on the Internet. We're not bound by the the, the
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censorship of the mainstream media anymore.
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How do we deal with it? How is the church going to deal
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with this? And so at the very moment where
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you have the genocide in Gaza, what do the American bishops
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come out? What is the main problem?
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anti-Semitism? This is total disconnection from
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reality. And I hope you have Catholics
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listening here because we as Catholics cannot tolerate this.
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We cannot. We are not going to return to
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the vomit of Judaism, as Saint Bernard of Clairvaux would have
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said. We are not going to go back to a
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time where Jewish categories will rule the Catholic mind.
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We have the freedom of the Gospel.
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So does that answer your question?
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First of all, that was a great speech.
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Man, I didn't realize you were such a good speaker.
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What have you said that they mark as anti-Semitic or being
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against Jews? Let's say I'll give you
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examples. Jews are behind gay marriage.
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I wrote well the first chapter in the book is about or the
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thing that got me started was Jews are behind pornography.
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Well, you, you go to the glossary, you committed the sin
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of anti-Semitism. This is not an exaggeration.
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Bambara is telling you, you have to go to confession if you say
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Jews are behind pornography or Jews are behind gay marriage or
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Jews cheat on their insurance claims.
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Well, wait a minute, who gave you the right to say this?
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First of all, I are Jews behind gay marriage.
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I don't know, man. You tell me.
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I'm listening. There's a Jewish lady by the
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name of Amy Dean who wrote a book in a magazine article in a
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magazine Tycoon magazine, Jewish Magazine.
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And she said if it weren't for Jews, we would not have gay
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marriage. Now, is she an anti Semite?
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So I do that. I do the article on Jews and
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pornography. Immediately I got cancelled from
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I was supposed to give a lecture.
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No, no, you you're a you're an anti Semite about AI.
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Don't know. A year or two later, Professor
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Nathan Abrams, professor Jewish professor from England, writes
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an article in the Jewish Quarterly in which he says Jews
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are behind pornography. Jews run pornography, he said.
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Not only is he saying the same thing he's quoting me, he's
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quoting the article that I wrote a couple of years before and
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basically saying all using all of my examples except that he
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says it's good and I say it's bad.
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The factual factual account. We both agree that Jews are
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behind pornography. Now why am I being punished as
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an anti semite when all I'm saying is what this Jewish
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professor is bragging about. There's another thing the AJC
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the same that did this glossary or forbidden terms with this
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Bishop is endorsing issued a statement called it's a little
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video and as this young lady comes on and she says Jews are
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always right and then she goes through the list, same list.
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We supported abortion. We supported gay marriage.
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We support for not well, you're saying I agree with you.
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Why am I being punished for as an anti Semite for saying the
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same thing you're saying? And now we've got a Bishop who
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is siding with the Jews in their attempt to persecute people like
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me or Catholics. Now this Bishop is saying, OK,
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you're an anti Semite if you say the Jews tried to silence people
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on the Internet. Well, you saw it.
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You Googled my name. The first thing comes up is the
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ADL. You think I wanted that to be
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that way? The Jews want it to be that way
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so that no one ever looks up my rent, buys my books.
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Now is that did I come this in here it's and that's the truth.
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That's the reality of the situation of the JJC says no,
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no, Jews do not silence people. They get to the end of the
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document. What are they saying?
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If you find Angie Semersome, go to the FBI, report them to the
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FBI, go to Google and file a complaint and get them deep
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platform. This is the world that we live
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in. When are the Catholic Bishops
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are falling all over themselves to fight anti-Semitism?
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When are they going to defend Catholics who are the victims of
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Jewish persecution? When are they going to do this?
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OK question on this So let's take the claim Jews are behind
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pornography. Jews are behind same sex
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marriage is I'm trying to make the connection between the
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person, the people being Jewish and then the effect of
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pornography or same sex marriage.
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Is it in so far as they are Jewish that they're propagating
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these things or, or is it just circumstantial?
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Yes. Why do I say yes?
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Because we're talking about the Jewish revolutionary spirit.
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We're talking about a spirit here that is the unifying factor
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of the Jews. OK, this.
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And you get into nominalism here.
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Everybody's a nominalist when it comes to the word Jew.
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That's all a category of the mind.
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There's no category of reality unless you're writing an article
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saying Jews are Oprah's over represented in getting the Nobel
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Prize or the Jews get reparations payments from
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Germany. Well, yeah, that's right, Bob,
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make the check out to me. So first of all, we got to
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distinguish what do you mean by the Jews?
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Do you mean all Jews? No, I don't mean all Jews.
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Did the Jews kill Jesus Christ? Were all Jews responsible for
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the death of Jesus Christ? Did the pleasant mother shout
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crucify him? Did Saint John standing at the
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foot of the cross, did he shout crucify him?
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No. Who did it then?
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The Jewish people did POI you. Deoi is the word that Jews Saint
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John uses in his gospel. The Jews.
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It doesn't mean all Jews. It means the political entity
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known as the Jews. They are a group.
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They have a group identity. The head of the group is an
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organization called the Sanhedrin.
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And at a certain point during the trial, the Jewish people,
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the Jews said, may his blood be on us and our children.
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We have to have a sophistication in terms of your categories to
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understand that the Jews is a political entity which does not
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include all Jews. Does that help?
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Does that help clarify the situation?
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Yeah. I guess my question is, let
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let's say Jewish people had a disproportionate impact on in
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the propagation of pornography, is it in so far as they are
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Jewish or is it just a coincidence that they happen to
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be Jewish? It Al Goldstein said we Jews are
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involved in pornography because Christ sucks.
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So he was implicating all Jews. And so I Ben Shapiro is a Jew
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who claims he's against abortion.
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I'm not doesn't claim he is against abortion.
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OK, so I said he showed up here in South Bend.
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Is abortion A fundamental Jewish value?
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Oh, no, he said no, no, no. I'm pro-life.
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I know you're pro-life, Ben. I'm not talking about I'm saying
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is it a fundamental Jewish value?
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And the answer is yes, because 400 Jewish organizations have
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united in saying that abortion is a fundamental Jewish value.
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What is the what is the connection here?
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The Jews are involved in moral subversion.
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Wherever they go, whatever country they get into, they are
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and buried to get involved in moral subversion.
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Why is that? Because they hate logos.
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Logos is the order of the universe.
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Practical reason is morality. They hate morality.
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They hate the Logos Incarnate, they hate any manifestation of
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Logos because their identity is based on the overturning, the
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revolutionary overturning of Logos.
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That's what they do. So it's intrinsic to the Jew, as
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the Jew is now understands himself.
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That's why abortion is a fundamental Jewish value.
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When did that change take place? Because if we look at salvation
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history, God chose the Jews as the chosen people and that
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evolved into Christianity. So it was it the case that in
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the Old Testament the Jews were subverting morality and logos?
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Or of course, that were there a subsequent change there?
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Well, of course they were. So.
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So the question is, abortion is a fundamental Jewish value that
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you are not worshiping Yahweh? Well, who are you worshiping?
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What? What was the constant temptation
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during the period of the Old Testament?
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What was the constant temptation?
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What was what were the Jews doing when Moses was up on Mount
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Sinai? What were they doing?
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Idol worshipping. Worshipping the golden calf.
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That's Moloch. They have always been had a
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tendency to worship Moloch to fall away and God has punished
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them consistently whenever they fell away from the worship of,
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of, of Yahweh, which they did consistently.
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Now God during this period of preparation for the coming of
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Christ, OK, you did something bad, you're going to be
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punished. You're going to go to Babylon
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for 70 years, but I'll take you back because I've got a plan and
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I'm not going to let you stop my plan.
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But then the final issue came when Jesus as Christ arrives on
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this earth and the Jews have to say, well, we have to accept
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this on your terms, Where's King David?
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I'm waiting for King David. I want to overthrow the Roman
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hegemony here. And the confrontation comes to
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in the gospel, the 8th chapter of the Gospel of Saint John,
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where the Jews confront Jesus and they say we're the we're the
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seed of Abraham. Don't talk that way to us.
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We're the seed of Abraham. And Jesus says if you were, if
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you were a son, if you were a son of Abraham, you're a
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follower of Moses, you would accept me as the Messiah.
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God doesn't need your your DNA. And he said God could raise up
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stones to accomplish his will. He doesn't need you and your
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DNA. And at that point they got angry
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at him and he said, your father is Satan.
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And at that point they pick up stones and they want to kill
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him. That's the turning point because
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at that point the, the Hebrew, what should I say?
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The Jewish leadership decided we're going to kill him.
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And at that point they would have killed him right there.
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But it's up. It's up to God.
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He's going to not going to allow it to happen there because other
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things have to happen. But he allowed them to kill
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their Messiah. They never got over it.
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They never got over it. They still haven't gotten over
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it. So what do you do when you've
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done something like that? You either reap or you double
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them. And I am causing division now in
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among the Jews because some of them are reading the Jewish
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revolutionary Spirit and they are moved to accept baptism
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because of what they read there. And this is a threat to Jewish
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hegemony over our culture. It's the biggest threat out
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there. I am not trying to blow my own
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horn. I know for a fact that this is
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the biggest threat they they face.
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Why do you think God chose the Jews as the chosen people?
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Ask God. I have no idea how there's an
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Ogden Dash poem How odd of God to choose the Jews.
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That's about why did because God is God and he knows something we
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don't know. And I don't know that and I
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don't know it. So when I, if I ever get to
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heaven, I'll ask him that. But I got white God chooses whom
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he will. I'm to get back to Saint John.
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It's not because of some type of special quality among the Jews.
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They were no better than anybody else.
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He could have chosen stones. He had his reasons.
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And that's what I have to accept him because he's got.
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Do you have an answer to that question?
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I mean it. Maybe I'm missing something
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here? Well, in my reflection on it,
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which is minimal, I would say, I think it has something to do
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with the way that people characterizes human nature that
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are in our fallen state we're very rebellious and that was the
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cheat. That's the first sin.
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And I think the what summarizes all sin, right?
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So some somehow that people like characterizes the rebelliousness
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of all people. OK, I mean, rebellion was the
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the sin, the sin of Eve. It is the fundamental sin of
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American identity, American identity.
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This is So I'm going to jump from the early book to the most
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recent book I've written, which is about American identity.
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And there's a guy by the name of Emmanuel Tote who wrote a book
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in French called La de Fate de Loxi.
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Don't. And he said the American empire
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is collapsing because Protestantism is evaporating in
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America, and Protestantism was the hidden grammar of America.
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OK, That's standard procedure. And then he quotes Mox Weber.
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As soon as people quote Mox Weber, my eyes glaze over.
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I've heard it a million times before, and it's an indication
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you don't understand what Protestantism is.
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Because what is the hidden grammar of Protestantism?
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Satanism. Satanism.
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Now why do I say that I did that kind of extreme?
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No idea. Yes, it is.
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The the answer to that question is Puritanism.
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The Puritans were the people who created the United States of
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America. They were the founders.
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They were the most important group in the English speaking
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colonies. They superseded in importance
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the the Quakers, the Anglicans, all the other Protestant sects.
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They became the most powerful. They were the most belligerent.
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They were the ones that were the most Judaized of all of them and
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the most warlike. OK, who's the great Puritan
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poet? I don't know.
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John Milton. He was the secretary to
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Cromwell. He would write fluent Latin.
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That's why Cromwell hired him as secretary.
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What's his greatest poem? Paradise Lost, I suppose.
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Paradise Lost Who's the hero of Paradise Lost?
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Satan. Satan, what's this is
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established right at the beginning.
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Oh, Paradise Lost. OK, Satan has been defeated.
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He wakes up in hell, looks around and says, I'm not going
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to take this lying down. And so he gives the speech to
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rally the troops. All of the demons that fell with
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him, they're all in hell now. But it's not the end of the
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story. He's got a plan.
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He's got a plan. But first he's got a rally of
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troops. And he starts to give a great
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speech. You should read it.
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It's a speech that inspired generation after generation of
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American writers. I was shocked at all the people
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who were citing Satan's speech as the basis.
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The independence movement, the American independence movement,
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the Philadelphia 1776. William Fletcher, the Protestant
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minister, said everybody's citing Milton, Satan.
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This is a satanic movement because this is the model that
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they have. So what does Satan say when he
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wakes up here? We shall be free.
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And in my mind, it's better to rain in hell than to serve in
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heaven. That's the motto of the United
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States of America. And I'm saying it works itself
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out over this this period of time.
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That's what the new, new book is about.
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And that's the Achilles heel of the American Empire.
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It's Satanic. The man who understood it was
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Nathaniel Hawthorne, understood perfectly clearly that the
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satanic nature of Calvinism. He said a brilliant short story
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called Young Goodman Brown, where Young Goodman Brown, his
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wife's name is Faith. There's a gathering in the
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forest. The forest is the place where
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the devil is. Why are all these Puritans going
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into the forest? So he walked into the forest and
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the devil meets the devil, looks like a minister.
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And the devil says, what took you so long?
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And he said, Faith held me back a while.
27:36
Great double meaning line. And then the preacher says,
27:41
well, I'm glad you're here because now you understand the
27:44
consummation, the full commemoration.
27:47
Evil is the nature of mankind. Now who said that?
27:53
Calvin said that it's total depravity is the theological,
27:56
the term they use that. So if evil is the nature of
27:59
mankind, who should you worship? The devil.
28:08
So he understood it in a profound way.
28:10
And all I'm trying to do is bring out the implications of
28:14
that spirit of rebellion and in a sense, why it was only natural
28:19
that the Jews should take over our culture.
28:22
It's only natural. They understood that.
28:25
They understood the Judaizing roots of America.
28:27
They understood how to manipulate all of our base
28:31
desires. I subvert the moral order.
28:34
And so it's no surprise that we ended up in the mess that we are
28:37
in today. Well, this is fascinating.
28:42
I was not expecting this conversation.
28:46
When you say, well, I think part of my part of my motive is to
28:57
get cancelled. And this is probably the closest
29:00
I'm going to get, at least on the podcast.
29:03
I've I've already had cancelled and a couple other in my
29:06
professional life. But maybe one last question on
29:10
the Jews. When so when you say the Jews,
29:14
what, what unites them is that is that one group because it's a
29:17
very homogeneous or sorry, it's very heterogeneous group, right?
29:20
So, So what? What does that refer to?
29:25
Hatred of Logos is what unites all Jew, all of the group we
29:31
call the Jews. Now how, what, how do we
29:35
manifest that? I mean, so in the beginning,
29:38
going back to the 19th century, the Austro Hungarian Empire, the
29:49
eastern part of the Austro Hungarian Empire, is known as
29:52
the Pale of the Settlement. This is where the majority of
29:56
the world's Jews live. Most of them are in Poland.
30:00
OK, what the, the at this point, Poland disappears.
30:07
And the Jews who were on the eastern border of Poland or out
30:11
on the western border of Russia, and they are open, speak Yiddish
30:15
to each other. They don't speak Russian, and
30:16
Yiddish is similar to German. And so they're in constant
30:19
contact with all these revolutionary ideas that are
30:22
coming out of Berlin at this time.
30:25
The French Revolution, the German, this, we're talking
30:28
about the 19th century now, towards the end of the 19th
30:32
century and the rise of communism.
30:34
Communism is a Jewish ideology. Doesn't mean every communist was
30:39
a Jew or every Jew was a communist, but it's a Jewish
30:43
ideology. And you've got someone like
30:46
Trotsky who is the best example of what we can talk about as as
30:51
the revolutionary Jew. Lennon's brother Lennon was not
30:56
a Jew. He had some Jewish blood.
30:57
But his brother shows up at the University of Saint Petersburg,
31:04
immediately inducted into the Jewish terrorist organization
31:09
known as Narodnaivolia, the national will.
31:13
The Jews who were inspired by these by communism decided to
31:19
spread this among the peasants. The peasants wouldn't pay any
31:22
attention to as soon as the Jew would talk to him, he'd call the
31:24
police. It wasn't working.
31:26
And so the Jews turned to terrorism as a way of bringing
31:30
about the revolution, of manifesting their hatred of
31:33
logos. And that led to the so-called
31:36
Russian Revolution, which was really a Jewish revolution, a
31:39
Jewish coup d'etat, which ended up murdering the Tsar.
31:43
OK, that was the mainstream of Jewish revolutionary thought at
31:48
that point, but it wasn't the only one.
31:51
That was Jewish internationalism.
31:53
Then you have on the other side, you have Jewish nationalism,
31:55
which is called Zionism, and that's the mainstream of Jewish
31:58
thought at this point. But both of them are
32:01
revolutionary ideologies that have a deep appeal to the Jewish
32:06
soul, which is doesn't feel comfortable unless it's
32:11
overturning the the moral order one way or the other.
32:15
They are there. There is a compulsion there.
32:18
There is a compulsion I think. And if you don't believe me, I
32:22
can't, I can't do an 1800 Page 3 volume book in the podcast.
32:26
So read the book. You can get it at
32:28
fidelitypress.org and read the book.
32:33
You can check out my sources and if you have questions after that
32:36
I'll I'll I'll try and do my best to answer.
32:42
So you have a atheist Jew like George Soros.
32:45
I believe he's Jewish, right? And then you have OK.
32:51
And then you have like when I was living in New York, you have
32:53
these beautiful families, Jewish people, I don't know if they're
32:57
called Orthodox, but they they dress in black and white.
32:59
They have a lot of children, right?
33:01
Right. So are those It was the same
33:05
like what? What unites what?
33:06
Do they have in common? The rebellion against Logos is
33:10
what they have in common. What do they follow?
33:13
What do those Jews follow? What's what's their operating
33:18
system? It's called the Talmud.
33:21
Talmud was created, basically codified either 3 or 500 years
33:28
after the death of Christ. It's a new religion.
33:30
They had to create a new religion because their temple
33:34
was destroyed and they have no way of fulfilling the Mosaic
33:36
covenant without a temple. OK, So what is the Talmud?
33:40
It's full of all kinds of blasphemy to basically keep Jews
33:44
from becoming Christians, because that's the biggest
33:47
threat to their existence. The Jews are always on the verge
33:51
of converting and you have to keep them away.
33:53
And so the Talmud is one way of converting it.
33:57
Now the Talmud was ruling the Stettle.
34:00
There were young Jews there who thought, I can't stand these
34:03
rabbis. They're tyrannical.
34:04
And they, the communists had an appeal to them because they want
34:07
to overthrow this, this rule of, of, of, of the rabbi.
34:12
Now I, I have some of those rabbis, some of those groups in
34:19
Brooklyn like Nederite Carter or anti Zionist, they're completely
34:24
anti Zionist. I was in Mashhad and I read
34:29
Rabbi David Weiss, who's member of Nefarite Carter.
34:32
And I said to the whole assembly there, I said, if all Jews were
34:35
like Rabbi David Weiss, we wouldn't be here.
34:39
We wouldn't be talking about Israel and in the background
34:42
watching Israeli snipers shoot children in the back because he
34:47
understands that's a totally illegitimate use of the Bible.
34:50
But so there are all kinds of differing opinions here.
34:54
There's a Yehuda Lipman writes letters to the editor.
34:57
He's a faithful subscriber to Culture Wars magazine.
35:00
He's one of those Orthodox Jews from Brooklyn.
35:03
So you got all kinds of people here, OK?
35:07
But they all mobilized in certain direction by certain
35:12
ideas. That's why they're called.
35:15
That's why they are a category of reality.
35:17
That's why they are a group and there are different groups that
35:20
fight over who's going to be supreme.
35:22
And I've just listed two of the main groups, but they share this
35:27
common hatred of logos. I think that's the only way you
35:30
can define the Jew. Is there a connection between
35:37
Jews and Masons? Yes, yes, there's a whole
35:43
chapter on Freemasonry. So what you have is, as with the
35:48
Puritans, there's always a group of Christians who want to admire
35:52
Jews because they're so ruthless and successful and they want to
35:55
be like them. And Puritanism was a
35:57
manifestation of that from a religious point of view.
36:01
And Puritanism, the 30 Years war turned everybody against
36:06
religion. The Catholics are killing the
36:07
Protestants, Protestants are killing the Catholics.
36:10
And the reaction to that is what we're just going to leave that
36:13
alone. We're not going to do religion
36:14
anymore. We're going to go to a higher
36:16
plane with reason. And that became the Sonic Lodge
36:20
and the Enlightenment in general.
36:23
The Masonic Lodge with the Freemasonry was a very powerful
36:26
force in the 18th century, extremely powerful force.
36:31
And it was a historical manifestation of Philo Judaism
36:39
and like. The IT is the English.
36:47
The Whigs took it over in 17301721 when they created the
36:53
Grand Lodge in in London and they used it as a psychological
36:59
warfare operation to destroy Catholic Europe.
37:02
And eventually they the Masonic Lodge is what brought down the
37:07
King of France, the Bourbon monarchy monarchy in France.
37:11
That was what destroyed it. But early on, who's interested?
37:18
Well, the Germans in Hamburg because Hamburg was always, it's
37:23
a port and England was the major sea power.
37:26
And so Hamburg always wants good relations with England because
37:31
their commerce depends on it. And so where's the first Masonic
37:34
Lodge in the German principalities in on board
37:37
because they wanted to get a good with the English.
37:39
And so they write back and say, good, we love Freemasonry, but
37:43
we have one issue that we're not going to go along with.
37:47
We're not going to mid Jews to Masonic Lodge.
37:50
And they get where the letter comes back in the next mail.
37:55
The English say if you don't accept the Jews, you can't call
37:59
yourself a Masonic Lodge. So it was that type of close
38:05
interaction between those two groups that was the driving
38:11
force, I'd say in in political geopolitics in the 18th century.
38:16
It was the driving force, You know, the suppression of the
38:19
Jesuits that the Freemasons brought about paved the way for
38:22
the French Revolution, the destruction of the Jesuit
38:26
reductions in Paraguay, all Free Masonic orchestrated by
38:33
Freemasons. It was the cutting edge.
38:36
Freemason is now a word. It's a euphemism.
38:39
It's a word for people who can't say the word Jew.
38:42
So Taylor Marshall wrote a book about infiltration and he's
38:46
talking about Freemasons. This is ridiculous.
38:50
Freemasons are people that now wear fezzes and drive around and
38:53
go karts and do don't do anything.
38:55
The Freemasonry has lost whatever political power it has
39:01
because the Jews don't need it anymore.
39:03
They don't need to cover anymore.
39:05
So the Duke, Duke De Orlean, became a Freemason.
39:09
He's the cousin of the king of France, and the revolution
39:13
turned on him. And so the night before he had
39:18
his head chopped off, he wrote a little memoir in which he said
39:22
Freemasonry was the candle, but revolution is the sun, and when
39:28
the sun comes out, the candle is no longer necessary.
39:33
And I think that was an accurate description of what happened
39:36
over the course of the 19th and early 20th century.
39:39
Can. You talk a little bit about your
39:44
book Logos Rising. Yes.
39:49
So I I, I spent about 10 years going back and forth to Iran and
39:57
it was the first time I had exposure to a Muslim culture.
40:03
And was had we were having discussions and the discussions,
40:08
you know, we're honest discussions and honest
40:10
discussions going to leading directions that you can't
40:13
predict. One of the most serious
40:16
discussions I had was with an Iranian woman.
40:19
I never met her in person, but we talked a lot over the
40:22
Internet and she sort of keyed me and clued me into the hidden
40:26
grammar of Iran, which is basically, it's a country that
40:30
was conquered, a high culture, an ancient culture was conquered
40:35
by a bunch of camel jockeys from Arabia.
40:38
And it stunned them that they were conquered by this group of
40:41
people who were Muslim at the time.
40:44
And they tried to impose, they did impose Islam on Iranian
40:48
culture. But so the Iranians went silent
40:51
for about 200 years. And then Ferdosi wrote the
40:54
longest poem in history called the Shana May the King of Kings.
41:00
And there's not one Arabic word. It's all Farsi.
41:03
And he saved the Farsi language and the he saved Iranian
41:07
identity as a result of that. And so I began to wonder, is it
41:13
possible to have a dialogue with people who are intelligent like
41:16
the Magi? They were Persians, OK.
41:21
And there's a logos to they were astronomers.
41:24
They saw there was a logos to the heavens.
41:28
They understood it wasn't just random movement.
41:30
There was a logic to what was going on up there.
41:34
And when the star appeared, they followed the star and they and
41:36
they stood in the presence of the logos Incarnate.
41:40
And I saw this is the paradigm of the Iranians still there.
41:43
And I was trying to talk to them in is there?
41:46
Is there a universal language? That is possible now because we
41:51
now have universal technology. We have a universal language,
41:55
which is English was spoken all over the world.
41:58
Are there ideas that are universal?
42:00
And that's why I wrote Logos Rising, because I think there
42:03
are these universal ideas and that the convergence we're now
42:07
seeing is toward a universal acceptance of logos.
42:13
I'm saying basically, I can't. I can't, I can't tell you.
42:18
I don't know what's in your heart when the Magi is there
42:22
standing in the presence of the Logos Incarnate.
42:24
I don't know what's going through its mind.
42:27
Are you going to convert? Did they become Christians?
42:29
I don't know. I, I don't, it's the, it's not
42:32
clear whether they did. So I can't deal with that.
42:35
But I think I can say that Logos is mandatory for every single
42:38
person on the in the human, in the human race, because logos is
42:44
reason and we are rational creatures and we lose our
42:48
identity if we not do not keep to that rationality.
42:51
And so that's why I wrote Logos Rising to give an A description
42:55
of the necessity of logos with a Muslim audience in mind.
43:02
Well, that's optimistic. I am an optimistic guy.
43:06
I wouldn't be doing this if I weren't optimistic.
43:09
I would have given up a long time ago.
43:11
I would have, well, you know, God, I would have done something
43:16
else. I got, I got expelled from the
43:19
academe. It was the best thing that ever
43:22
happened to me and it freed me. And I'm not going to return to
43:28
the vomit of, of Judaism or any of these ideologies.
43:33
I'm I want the freedom of the gospel, which is Logos.
43:40
Well, you suffered a lot of opposition.
43:45
How do you face that? We'll give you the strengths to
43:47
keep speaking and writing in the face of all that.
43:49
And what was the grace? Of the Catholic Church, the
43:53
grace that comes from the sacrifice of the Catholic
43:55
Church. So I'll tell you an incident I
43:59
had. I was in Philadelphia.
44:00
I was doing a research on a biography of Cardinal Kroll,
44:03
which you can buy if you want. John Cardinal Kroll, the
44:06
Cultural Revolution is also available fidelitypress.org, a
44:10
Seminole book in terms of my intellectual development.
44:14
But while I was there, who shows up?
44:16
It's Joseph Rotzinger shows up at the seminary because his
44:21
protege, my senior, Tom Herren, who was the guy who got me the
44:27
designated official biographer, Cardinal Crawl was his
44:30
assistant. He brought into Philadelphia.
44:31
And Cardinal Rotzinger gave a speech in which he said, are you
44:36
willing to suffer for the truth? And I said, yes, I am.
44:44
It's like, like the the apostles saying we would like to sit at
44:48
your right and left hand. And Jesus said to him, well, can
44:52
you drink of the cup that I'm going to?
44:54
Of course we can. So you volunteer for a mission.
44:57
You have no idea of what you're getting involved in.
45:00
But that's the the fundamental issue is if you want to serve
45:04
the truth, you have to be willing to suffer.
45:06
And as a Christian, we can understand that because that's
45:09
what Jesus Christ did and we can't be superior to him.
45:12
So if you're not suffering, you're not dealing with the
45:15
truth. If you haven't been banned, if
45:17
you hadn't been called an anti semite, if you hadn't had any of
45:21
these slanders levelled at you, you're not, you're not fighting.
45:26
You're not in the battle. Now, maybe you're not in the
45:28
battle because you don't even know there's a battle going on.
45:31
But there are plenty of people who want to pretend that they're
45:33
in the battle by saying, oh, it's the Freemasons or something
45:38
like that, you know what I mean, to distract into something safe.
45:42
But there's nothing safe about this battle.
45:46
If it's if it's safe, it's not a battle.
45:50
What's the worst you've suffered for speaking the truth?
45:57
The worst thing in my career was getting fired from Saint Mary's
46:01
College. But that's the best thing that
46:04
ever happened to me. I mean, it was the worst thing
46:06
because I had moved my entire family out to South Bend, IN to
46:10
take this job at this Catholic college.
46:12
And I got fired for opposing abortion at the Catholic college
46:15
after I had put bought a mortgage on a house.
46:19
I have a wife and I have two kids.
46:21
At that point I have to support and I've got no job.
46:24
And that would seem terrible and it was a terrible injustice, but
46:27
it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
46:29
So if you're talking about the worst thing, it's usually the
46:32
best thing. So what?
46:35
So the worst thing you can say of anyone is that you're an anti
46:40
Semite. That is a career ending insult,
46:45
a career ending slander. And that's exactly what's been
46:49
said to me. And the worst thing I can say,
46:53
the the thing that in a sense hurts the most is to have a
46:56
fellow Catholic call me an anti Semite.
47:00
This is outrageous. This is and I'll name the people
47:04
Dawn Goldstein, a Jewish convert.
47:07
OK, calling people like me anti Semite, honey, you, you, you got
47:11
to convert If you want to become a Catholic.
47:14
You can't bring this Jewish prejudice and Jewish privilege
47:17
into the church with you. Can't do it.
47:20
OK. And that's precisely what these
47:22
these people are doing or to have.
47:24
I don't know. I've never met Bishop Bombera,
47:27
but he's willing to denounce fellow Catholics, throw them
47:29
under the bus because some Jew doesn't like what they're
47:33
saying. This is a total betrayal of his
47:35
role as shepherd. He should be protecting the
47:38
flock, and he's aligning himself with the wolves.
47:42
With the wolves. Why was getting fired the best
47:51
thing that happened to you? Because they got out of Accadin.
47:56
Accadin I just I friend from Graduate School, I made.
48:00
I got a PhD in American literature from Temple
48:02
University, 1979, and then I got a job at Saint Mary's College,
48:08
and at that point I was ready to, you know, do literature.
48:12
I'll be the professor for the rest of my life.
48:14
I always wanted to be a writer, but I thought, well, I'm not
48:16
smart enough to be a writer or blah, blah, blah.
48:18
So I'll be a teacher because I have to have money to support my
48:21
family. What happened over this period
48:25
of time? The English profession
48:27
disappeared. I just my friend from Graduate
48:31
School sent me an article in one of these English newspapers.
48:34
They don't teach English literature in England anymore.
48:37
Well, I'm glad I got out. I watched it happen.
48:42
You know, I had a front row seat.
48:43
It was Stanley Fish and Jock Derry does.
48:46
Stanley Fish was my teacher. And he hated, he hated the New
48:49
Criticism because it was Christian.
48:51
It was obvious. And he had this Jewish animist,
48:54
he was a Jewish revolutionary whose job was to take over
48:58
literary criticism and steal it from, hijack it from the people
49:03
he perceived as Christian. And so the big battle at that
49:07
point was Ezra Pound, the battle over Ezra Pound.
49:11
And basically they took it over English literature, American
49:15
literature, and they destroyed it.
49:17
And now what? So I'm glad I got out 'cause
49:20
that ship went down and I'm still sailing because God had a
49:25
plan and I had the courage to step out about what I believed.
49:29
And if you do that, God will take care of you.
49:37
So what is your subscriber base and interest look like now?
49:42
It's never been better. I have more more reach now than
49:47
I've ever had in my life. I have people all over the world
49:51
who are subscribing and people are doing podcasts all over the
49:54
world with all kinds of people. Obviously the Internet has
49:59
allowed it, but I had to have something to say.
50:02
And the only reason I have something to say is I wrote all
50:04
those books. You know, this is difference
50:06
between me and the the typical 25 year old podcaster or 30 year
50:13
old podcast who spent three hours a day every day of the
50:17
week just blabbing on on the Internet.
50:20
They don't do research, they don't have roots, they don't
50:23
have any deep under intellectual understanding.
50:25
It's OK, I'm here to help you. I did the research.
50:30
I've got something that the Jews, they're scared to death of
50:35
my books. That's why I am in total dynamic
50:39
silence. They had this, I don't really
50:41
saw this, but Candace Owen wants anti Semite of the Year award.
50:46
Before that happened they list the top ten anti Semites.
50:50
I'm not there. I'm sorry but that's not honest.
50:54
I am probably the top anti semite if you want to call it
50:58
that. I am certainly in the top ten.
51:01
Why aren't they mentioning my name?
51:03
Because the people on that list haven't written an 1800 page
51:06
book called The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, which if
51:09
the Jew reads it, he probably will convert and get baptized.
51:14
None of those other people have done that.
51:15
I don't want to blow my own horn here, but I mean, I'm telling if
51:18
you're asking me an honest question, I'm going to give you
51:20
an honest answer. This is I was prepared for this
51:24
because I, you know, I did a PHDII knew how to do research.
51:28
I knew how to write, I knew how to read.
51:31
And this generation, now it gets all their information from, you
51:35
know, by scrolling on a cell phone.
51:37
It's a disaster. Oh I never, I never thought I'd
51:44
heard you express disappointment and not being on the top ten
51:47
anti semi list. Yeah, well, this is what
51:49
actually this is what has happened.
51:51
They drove it into the ground. So they announced it was
51:54
supposed to make shame. Candace Owen.
51:57
She became everybody was writing back to her and said
52:00
congratulations for winning the Anti Semite of the Year award.
52:03
I tweeted, I demand a recount. It's become a joke.
52:08
It's like the story The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
52:12
Do you remember that story? He cried wolf one too many
52:14
times. Well, the ADL has cried
52:16
Wolfowitz one too many times, and they turned it into a joke.
52:21
And that's one of the fundamental changes that has
52:23
taken place in my lifetime. It's a joke.
52:30
You can quote me on that. It's a joke.
52:33
Everybody knows it except the people in Congress.
52:40
Well, well, I'm really at a loss for words.
52:43
This was this was very interesting.
52:45
And it's like so, so different from what I expected that it's
52:49
it's. Different Tell me what you
52:50
expected What did you expect me to say What do you What did you
52:53
expect me to say I. Don't know.
53:02
I don't know. But yeah, clearly you've thought
53:04
a lot about this and researched it quite a lot.
53:09
And I. I, I think we, I think we are
53:13
now at attorney, I'm talking specifically as Catholics, we
53:17
are at a turning point because of this ridiculous statement
53:20
that the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
53:23
issued. This is the end of Catholic
53:26
Jewish dialogue. It can't go on anymore.
53:29
This is a total failure. It's a failed experiment, has
53:32
nothing to do with the magisterium of the Catholic
53:34
Church. It has to do with a policy where
53:38
they were trying to whatever they were trying to do atone for
53:43
the Holocaust. The Holocaust had a lot to do
53:45
with nostratate. It is failed and I'm going to
53:50
tell the Bishop, any Bishop, if you, you tell me.
53:56
Is it a sin to criticize Jews? Yes or no?
54:02
Don't tell me. Oh, and don't give me this
54:04
anti-Semitism stuff that that's a meaningless term.
54:09
It means things Jews don't like. I don't care about that.
54:12
Let's Catholic to Catholic. You're the shepherd.
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You have the, you know, the ability to interpret the moral,
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the moral law. Is it a sin to criticize Jews?
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There are two answers. Yes and no.
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OK, if the answer's no, don't burden my conscience with rules
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of etiquette like which fork to use when you're invited to eat
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with the Queen of England. If the answer is yes, then you
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tell me how Jesus Christ committed a sin because he
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criticized Jews and the answer is yes.
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You explained to me how Moses was an anti Semite 'cause he
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criticized Jews. We can't get beyond these
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questions. This has to be answered right
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now. We have to clear the air and get
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rid of this failed experiment. And the bishops should make a
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public statement repudiating this document, repudiating it in
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the name of the Catholic faith. Repudiate it.
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These bishops has no right to impose Jewish fables on the
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conscience of American Catholics.
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I'm envious of your energy level.
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I don't know where you get that from.
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Actually, it's really as coffee. It's called coffee.
55:33
It's called coffee. OK, well, I stopped doing
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caffeine, so that would that would explain that.
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Hello. I never I never got energy from
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that. Well, hey, thank, thank you for
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your time. Were you?
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Were you going to add something to that?
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No, I was just going to say thank you for having me on.
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I, you know, it's been a pleasure to talk to you.
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I'm glad you had honest questions and I tried to answer
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your question as honestly as possible.
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And so let's let the debate begin.
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Are we going to allow these people to impose Jewish fables
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on our conscience? I've we should have this
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discussion. This is a document that has been
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issued by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
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And I'm saying they have no right to do this.
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Now. We should have this discussion
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as Catholics. So if you can begin it, God
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bless you. Well, thank you.
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I'll take that. And I, I was really hoping to
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spend more time hearing about your other books, but you have
56:35
such an encyclopedic knowledge on these.
56:37
I think each one's going to take another episode, but perhaps
56:40
we'll we'll. Build I'll be happy if you want
56:42
to concentrate on if you I have the second edition of libido
56:45
dominandi is out sexual liberation and political
56:49
control. This was a Seminole book that
56:53
came finally came into it. I wrote it 25 years ago.
56:57
It finally came into his own. When the generation gets
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watching pornography on their cell phone, realized they were
57:04
slaves of their passions and realized that it was a form of
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control, some people stopped watching pornography simply
57:10
because they understood what it meant.
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Now, now. So if you want to talk about
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that, that I'd be happy to talk about that.
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That's the interview I did with Candace Owens.
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She will be. She said she's going to air that
57:21
in January. We should talk about that if you
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want many things to talk about. Wow.
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OK, cool. Well, thank you for your time,
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Doctor Jones. You're welcome.
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Thank you for having me. Peace, Salaam.
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